'Horrors of war' through Israeli eyes- 5 Dec 08

[phooey108]

"we didnt pull the trigger"

no, you stood on the periphery of the camp and sealed the exit points. you have blood on your hands and any court of law would label you an accessory to murder and a participant in crimes against humanity.

[Collected23]

Israeli crocodile tears.

[jgroves56]

War is murder no matter how you put it

[Bluestar460]

War+ Innocent Deaths=Qiyamah

[Billyyank1]

I wonder how all the Draft-Dodging, Conservative, Christian Right-Wing People and Politicians would view the world and have the same opinions after they had served in the Military and killed people as well!!??!! I wonder if Ted Nugent and all the other Conservative Pundits would still be saying kick ASS USA??? THEY CAN'T!!!!!!! What the hell do they know!!!!!

Billyyank1 Proudly Served California Army National Guard 1984-1987 United States Army 1987-1994

[hempartist420]

war is war palestine is losing at every turn, deal with it pussies

[toktaras]

@hempartist420 yeaa finally well said

[Elpapi454]

@hempartist420 War is not a game, you certainly don't even know what you're talking about, you're just another person that wants to expand the idea of "If you don't get something you want.... just fight for it and opress the persons that defend themselves" simple huh?

[hempartist420]

@Elpapi454 war isn't a game but it's certainly played like one

[Joaquim250]

Fantástico! Parabéns, pela arte, coragem e verdade!

[mid0001]

LONG LIVE PALESTINE...LAND OF JESUS AND OTHER PROPTHETS

[starwar324]

@mid0001 long live Israel in the land of the Jewish prophets and the Jewish Jesus son of god.became Palestine after 124 AD. before that Jehudia and Israel.

[mid0001]

@starwar324 Palestine was the land for all religions,jewish christians and muslims.but Israel is a Zionist country,who took palestinian land and gave it to newcomers from all over the world.So Israel became after 1948

[93yoyo360]

@mid0001

There was never a palestinians state

the last islamic rule the ottoman empire killed and kicked out jews

and forced christians to pay skull tax for living there

please dont change history

[mid0001]

@93yoyo360

how and when was Israel created?Palestinians were here along all the centuries,Israel is a zionist entity built on the bodies and blood of the palestinian people..u live on our land,but where did u come from?U know nothing about this land and its history,u came from outside and they told u that this is ur land,,but how comes!!

[Yosh997]

@starwar324 Let's not mix "God" into this. Please.

[Viseli]

Banned in Libanon?!

[emilook]

It is nothing. If you will see what happen in Turkey-vs-Kurdistan or Russia-Chechnia,

you will know the realy shock.!!!

[IIIDarkWorlDIII]

@emilook kurdistan?? lmao

[ahomevideoonline]

If the Palestinian get out Lebanon then we can make a Peace with the Israeli.

The Israeli only want to stop the Arab from Lebanon from bomb ISRAELI.

Israels should never give what is theirs to the Arabs.

[IIIDarkWorlDIII]

@ahomevideoonline then they need to fuck off from palestine, there is no israel, they just took the palestinians lands

[Chronobeanz]

I'm sick of everyone on youtube who feel they have the right the perpetuate old hatred even when the topic is someone coming to terms with what they've done.

You're all scum.

[ikosabre]

I think it,s idiotic to blame one side over the other for atrocities in wars like the Lebanese civil war. In ethnic, relegious and sectarian conflicts like that, both sides are usually guilty of massacres and war crimes

[IDCMI]

Thank you.

[meancawksucker]

Sharon will burn in hell.

[nomorephones]

yeah that's the all point for sharon, he never belived in hell. to tell you the truth , one of the main problems in this area is that too many people belive that heaven and hell do exist.

[LebnenehASLEH]

@meancawksucker WHY??? BECAUSE HE HELPED THE 1.600,000 LEBANESE CHRISTIANS???!!! IF THE IDF DIDN'T INVADE LEBANON N 1982 LEBANON AS WE KNOW IT TODAY WOULD HAVE DESAPPEARED. CHRISTIANDOM WOULD BE THERE, SAME FOR DRUZE, BUT THE REST WOULD BE 1 PART WITH ISRAEL, 1 PART WITH SYRIA AND 1 PART WITH THE PALESTINIANS... SHARON TO MOST LEBANESE CHRISTIANS IS A HERO. LIVE WITH IT.

[Brazilfilms09able]

Fucking Muslims & barbarian Palestinians raped nuns, destroyed complete Christian villages, murdered & maimed 100,000 Christians, thousands of Israeli civilians & this asshole Israeli idiot filmmaker & others bullshit & weep over fucking 600 Palestinains. bad enough Arab propoganda is powerful enough making Israel look like shit, but these Jewish Israelis are their worst enemies.

[IDCMI]

When I was in Israel I got to know christian palestinians.

They fear the israelian gouvernment aswell - for they have the power to take their belongings away from them whenever they want to.

Too bad western propaganda is powerful aswell.

I think you should not judge either way. Not eaven if you have been there. It's mucht too complicated to tell.

Only thing you ought to know is that the situation seems hopeless...

[Brazilfilms09able]

@IDCMI: I visited Israel often with my Evengelist Christian church group & Lebanon as well. We've always been welcomed by Jewish & Arab Christian Israelis & I never saw or heard about any abuses of Israeli Arab Christians. To the contrary, in Lebanon there is a long history of brutality and documented war crimes committed by the Palestinians & their Muslim & Druze allies against the Christians who've lost political power there. Arab propoganda is powerful, not Israel's which is pathetic.

[rotsabmw]

@Brazilfilms09able Thank you very much!

Palestinian propaganda is very shocking=successful. Israel has no propaganda, we just report the facts, and unfortunately it's not enough. No one remembers all the suicide bombings, 9 years of rockets on Sderot & Ashkelon...but the pictures of dead kids are shocking and memorable. Israel needs to learn about effective PR. We win wars but unfortunately we lose in PR!

I'm glad there are ppl who know the FACTS, not Pallywood. Thanks for coming to visit us!

[LebnenehASLEH]

@rotsabmw THE PROBLEM WITH ISRAEL IS THAT ITS A DEMOCRACY. SHARON SAVED BOTH LEBANON AND ISRAEL IN 1982 INVASION.HOW DID ISRAEL THANK HIM?? BY REMOVING HIM AND QUESTIONING HIM. I AM TALKING ABOUT 1982 WAR NOT ALL THE HISTORY FROM 1948 TILL TODAY. I AM SPECIFIC. ISRAEL SHOULD HAVE FINISHED THE JOB IN 1982. IT DIDN'T NOW ITS FACING A GREATER THREAT AGAIN FROM SAME OLD ENNEMIES.

[rotsabmw]

Lebneneh, You've said it ALL.

By the way, your brothers live now in Nahariya, my hometown, and it's surroundings.

Cheers :)

By the way, what are you doing now in Russia? (MOJIT BIT TI RUSKEY IVREI??)LOL

[EUtenhoUmamIgoCoelho]

@rotsabmw do you still remember the King David Hotel bombing? i do

[thugyheadbanger]

wt 100000 christians and where ????

and wt muslims??? who ????

just for ur knowledge many christians where in sabra and shatila also many palestinians are christians !! there is also palestinian jews just for ur knowledge ...

[LebnenehASLEH]

@thugyheadbanger YOU ARE TALKING FROM YOUR ASS. SIMPLE. THERE R NO CHRISTIANS IN ANY CAMP IN LEBANON. WHAT 100,000??!?!?! I GUESS U R LIVING IN DENIAL. JUST GOOGLE IT AND YOU WILL FIND ENOUGH MATERIAL TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY. HERE IS A SUMMARIZED LIST: AYSHYEH,DAMOUR,RAS EL MATEN,BHAMDOUN,EAST SAIDA CHRISTIAN VILLAGES,DEIR ASHASH,RAS EL NABEH,AND MANY MORE... YOU ARE EITHER A LIAR OR AN IGNORANT OR YOU COULD BE WORSE, A PALESTINIAN.

[LebnenehASLEH]

@Brazilfilms09able THANK YOU. YOU SAID THE TRUTH. AND FRANKLY WHAT WE DID IN SABRA AND SHATILA WAS A REACTION TO ATTACKS ON CHRISTIANS FROM 1969 TO 1982!!!!

[veulemans]

The movie on itself looks great! loosen up your ass and get your feet on the ground!!! People like you are the same as the source of all this misery! Just a f...ing description of the technical part!!.

[GamerMaple]

its anti-war movie,

i don`t even think the maker`s was fighting on that war.

[udiprg]

he was.its personal documentary.all persons and events are real

[RalphMarx]

i just see as the truth behind the myth of Israeli military machoism

the cockups that happened one after another , its basically showing how israel got into its OWN vietnam situation

[ShalomVision]

One of the best movies I have ever seen. And lets be honest its a Non-Political Anti-War Animation directed from an former Israeli Solider. Don't understand why the Lebanese Girl is complaining about its point of view.

Would be nice if Lebanon could produce films critical of there government and armies.

[GendPzTrSchmidt]

I think it's almost impossible to produce non-political movies about that subject.

Of course, the movie is great. But she's got a point there: it is only the israeli perspective of suffering.

[ATMleb]

they already do but they are in arabic

[FINIKYA90]

he s banned form Lebanon not because politcal man want to respect the Law.... but bcz the pro-occidental movements, who pretend working for Lebanon, don t want the new Lebanese generation, specially the Chrisitans, to see that Gemayel was a dog for Israel and has killed his Palestinian brothers....

[ATMleb]

I don't think he will call those who destroyed dammour in 1976 his brother

[FINIKYA90]

i am speaking about the new generation who considers that Palestinians r our brothers... and not about the phalangists who sold Lebanon, specially their leader, to become lebanon s president

[RolsRois]

Go see the movie

it is not pro-zionist, and not pro-arab, go watch it and you will know what im talking about

[gbyelenin]

nice movie

[tFighterPilot]

Fuck Al Jazeera. They think they're so enlightened by using British reporters, while at the same time promoting Islamism and global Jihad.

[gohomeman123]

give me one example where they promote islamism or jihad. there are none. your either a zionist scumbag, or right wing scumbag

[tFighterPilot]

I don't see why I can't be both.

[gohomeman123]

lol your an idiot

[tFighterPilot]

Yeah, I'm the one writing "your" instead of "you're"

[gohomeman123]

lol, i know the difference of you're and your, u scumbag. you're not the only one who understands grammar.

[ClawedMedea]

...he's Aussie, you unenlightened moron.

[tFighterPilot]

Does it change anything?

[ClawedMedea]

Well, it discredits you.

[soisthetruth]

Can they see the irony as they commit more crimes towards the Palestinians.

[intifada1989]

They're Israelis. They can't see any irony.

[RolsRois]

you both are complete dumbasses

[vip3r15]

this is a great movie.

[TheDarkLegionTC]

Israel drove the Phalangists to insanity!

It wasnt the Palestinians who murdered the great Bashir but it was Israel that killed him!!!

I wish the Christians could have avoided such a terrible mistake!

[Inkan1969]

Yay. "Waltz with Bashir" starts today in Asheville, NC. I'm seeing it on Sunday. Too bad it didn't win the Best Foreign Language film Oscar.

[56LC]

It was a much better firm than Slumdog Millionaire for the awards indeed.

[Inkan1969]

I couldn't see it last week because of the heavy snow. But I'm catching it this Sunday in Asheville.

[RAMIZZZO]

I can help you watching it online if you like..

Ramez

[Inkan1969]

No, I saw it in Asheville. Well made movie. The art is gritty, but the animation is lifeless; I can see why it didn't bet the Best Animated feature nom. The first half is war stories. Compelling, but they didn't have to do with the massacre. It's when they finally confront the massacre that the movie becomes memorable. The last scene is devastating; it's the truth.

[Zea77]

Can you help me? i would like to see it online.

[frankveulemans]

Hi, sorry to ask but do you still have the link for this movie? I would love to see this. Looks great!

[elliot724]

looks great? what the hell do u mean

[yairbe5]

u know what piss me of musslims how do every thing by thr stuff tey think thet the qoran saz wel what did it bring u haaa muslims?! hanger?! poor ppl?! the fact thet the whole world hates you hey mayybe listen tom the qran some more and make the world distroy islam!?

[amandacalifornia]

How hypocritical that you expect the Muslims to give you respect and religious tolerance, and you offer neither in return to Muslims.

[yuval00691]

ALjazeera = jew haters

[IneptTroopr]

You=Islamophobic

There are plenty of news outlets that are far more bigoted (*cough* Fox), than Al-Jazeera, which is generally pretty objective.

[rafehh]

True that was not shown in movies. But there were private screenings

[56LC]

This is a joke, right?. The film is banned in Lebanon, where the events happened, surreal. Germany initially banned all things Nazi or Nazi period related after WWII; before making a crime to question the PC version of WWII German history now days. All the censorship of a PC or UnPC media control in the world will not change the fact that tragic & controversial events like the ones depicted in the film did happen. We also live in an era of mass information, for better or worse.

[brdeny]

because if it goes to Lebanon it will set emotion.

[56LC]

I see, but eventually the former Christian side of the Lebanon Civil war has to deal with their side of the atrocities of the war. Now Hezbollah has become a worse modern PLO in Southern Lebanon after the pro Israeli Christian Right was forced to move to the center of the country. As part of the land for peace agreements in the past, Israel wittdrew from Southern Lebanon in exchange for the PLO leaving Lebanon.

[shanghaiwolf]

Very irrational people.

[mishtameshethadasha]

It's not only banned in Lebanon, but in most Arab countries, like ALL Israeli movies, regardless of their mesage. Ironically we should thank AlJazeera for showing it to the Arab population.

[loudboy82]

al quran is always telling us the event that always happen in the past,now and future.plz read the translation of the quran if u don`t understand arabic

[brdeny]

انت حمار؟ متجبش سيرة القران خاص- هما كدة كدة هيشتموة لو جبت سيرتة

دنتا كس امك

[marinata35]

Gilad Atzmon has an interesting discussion of Waltz with Bashir: "it manages to plant rabid Zionist institutions at the heart of the Palestinian solidarity discourse. This may explain why the Israelis are so enthusiastic about the film. As long as Israel manages to generate some harsh form of self-disapproval, not much room for critical maneuvering is left for Israels real enemies. As much as we happen to despise Israel and Zionist institutions, wed better learn to admit their sophistication.

[programmusic]

Atzmon is a one track retard with no sophistication, only hatred.

[marinata35]

The Palestinians can show their own side.

Few years ago at Al-Najah University in the city of Nablus, the students put on a display entitled "The Sbarro Cafe Exhibition". The display, according to the Associated Press, included an exhibit with pizza slices and body parts strewn across the room. The walls were painted red to represent scattered blood.

[Khosrowp99]

For over 60 years youve been murdering, torturing imprisoning the Palestinians, and hiding behind the images of the Victims of the Holocaust and anti-Semitism; no film about Palestine! You, the newly arrived colonisers armed not with a Bible but with Persecution Complex and British/American Bombers/lobbies! You need more therapy to realise the depth of your crimes and psyche. And a handful of victims shown in your film cannot represent 1000s of Palestinians murdered in 1982 in the camps!

[LatinMouse]

O I'm sorry, I thought it was a film. I didn't realize it was the solution to Middle East Conflict.

[IsraeliXdude]

Oh yeah! and the Arab/Muslim is so fucking innocent, virgin Merry right? poor poor poor, yawn....

[shademurtagh]

Yup they are.

Your right they are poor.

[bluesbegedel]

The scene when the lebanese kid fired rocket at Israeli military vehicle is kinda cool...

[Khosrowp99]

That is a GREAT SCENE where it takes an Israeli tank and several heavily armed soldiers hiding to ambush and murder a Palestinian boy age 9-10 who bravely stands barefoot confronting the ruthless invaders of his homeland face to face! What a credit to the armed Israelis BRAVERY!

The other BEST SCENE is the golden image of buildings and the sea where Israeili soldiers are hiding! as they fear to confront the Palestinians face to face, then emerge naked to attack at night: again what a BRAVERY!

[HermogenesZither]

The whole 'naked in the sea' scene never happened; it's the director's dream/flashback that led him to go on his rediscovery quest in the first place. I'm not sure how you could think it was real, since in the scene the sky changes from 'night, lit by flares', to 'bright, sunny day' within the space of several seconds. Time doesn't flow that fast in real life, in case you hadn't noticed.

[ig7157]

The author can only tell the story he knows. I feel even though it only tells one point of view but at least that view is sympathetic towards other people and groups.

[lyden2006]

What a load of shit.

[PLO2008]

Occupation causes Terrorism

End the Occupation and Palestinian attacks will end, WATCH AND SEE

[mieroth]

Problem with that is that then Israel would be seen as rewarding terrorists! All people in the future would think it's ok to be violent to get their way. Stop palestinian terrorism and the occupation will end. WATCH AND SEE. :) It's the sustainable solution too.

[IneptTroopr]

Well the US is certainly rewarding the violence of Israel with $3 billion in aid a year, so if either side is going to benefit from continued violence, it ain't the Palestinians.

[Metrader]

ask Mrs. Arafat how come she lives in

Paris and is worth 500 million fucking dollars

you ignorant cunt..

[IneptTroopr]

Because Arafat and the PLO leadership are a bunch of corrupt petty bureaucrats, channeling funds into their own private accounts. Fatah is in it for themselves, not the liberation of Palestine, and haven't been for some time.

You ignorant cunt...

[Metrader]

so, should israel now give money to a group, ie hamas, who doesnt recognise them?

Is it Israels fault these idiots palestinans cannot get their ship in order?

And the only reason Hamas arent funnelling funds too, is coz Israel have stopped the money... Once bitten, twice shy,

and no...YOU'RE the ignorant cunt...you snotty nose fat american prick,

[JJJadm]

i didn't know about that story of Bashir.

[loudboy82]

everybody don`t listen to them.this is all their agenda to have the sympathy.the truth u all can see through their cruel and violence action to the non-jews.they are very racist.they think they are the chosen.study the quran and u all see how hypocrite they are

[Ristar85]

its funny (to put it mildly) that u say "study the Quoran to see how hypocritical they are."

this is because, those that read the Jews' holy book would probably say the same thing about the Muslims.

so, this would become an argument about whose book is better.

ridiculous. once again, im putting it mildly.

[piratakamrata]

you totaly right. Think of how far the world could have been developed if religion didn't exist. It woulda been awesome

[Agric0la]

Humanity has never been more enlightened than back in Antiquity.

[loudboy82]

are u study the talmud and quran yet?so don`t talk about argument if u don`t have the knowledge.

[Ristar85]

u know wat?

rubbish like u, on both sides, are exactly why the jews and muslims are fighting. always using YOUR religion, and wat is written in YOUR book, as an excuse to bring down the other side, and call them names.

get real. oh, btw, your God would be pissed, because the jews, muslims and christians, basically, HAVE the same one.

oh, btw, some human beings "study" crazy stuff.

like stuff that denies the holocaust, among other things.

but im sure that in your sick mind, u r right.

[mishtameshethadasha]

Yes, except that Muslims are not mentioned in the Bible, since it was written long before the birth of Islam.

[badgeless]

The occupation of Palestine is not about jews or anti semitism or religion for that matter. Those issues are a smoke screen.

The occupation of Palestine is about Israelis ignoring the UN resolutions, Israelis commiting crimes against humanity, Israelis refusing to abide by international law, and Israelis apartheid crimes.

Forget Jews, Arabs, and religion. What remains?

Israeli greed and hatred for those whose land the Israelis want. The Israelis will stop at nothing to get it.

[Inkan1969]

Are you the chosen then, because you study the Koran?

[zscko]

are we gonna see the animation in US by any chance?

[Inkan1969]

December 25. That's when it starts its U.S. release. It also may get a Best Animated Feature Oscar nomination.

[bluesbegedel]

Even Israeli Soldiers itself asked themselves, "why we fight?" Very nice animations also...

[KhmerD0g]

the jew problem is spreading all over the world.

[TECHKLEC]

Let's not forget the problem of all the jihadist assholes.

[KhmerD0g]

the jew problems created jihadists. it all points back to the jew problems.

[TECHKLEC]

the jews didn't start the crusades, which have been going on now for over a thousand years.

[KhmerD0g]

the jews didn't start the crusades but they sure participate in one.

[TECHKLEC]

Who doesn't, either offensivly or defensivly?

[KhmerD0g]

all religious wars are bad

[TECHKLEC]

All wars are bad.

[Inkan1969]

This movie is trying to bring justice to the people who suffered this atrocity, and then anti-Semitic sickos like KhmerD0g come in an ruin everything. Reject all bigots.

[KhmerD0g]

we have another jew problem we need to get rid of, u

[Inkan1969]

Who said I was Jewish? Sicko bigots like you are the problem. We get rid of you, then we'll be able to solve the Israel-Palestinian conflict fast.

[KhmerD0g]

if u are not a jew then u must be a jew cock sucker. hahahaaa

[Inkan1969]

That's the best you can do?

[KhmerD0g]

can u do better than that

[loudboy82]

yes..i`m the chosen if i`m practice the islam sincerely not because i`m study the quran.there is no justice to the people who are so evil like the israelis have done to the palestinean.the example is like what happened in shabra and shatila camp a long time ago.the holocaoust drama they bring is just lie.the truth is this evil jews is really scoundrel than nazis!

[Inkan1969]

If you're a holocaust denier then you've really failed at studying...

[loudboy82]

i`ve enough studying.there is no evidence of the nazis holocaust b4.the jews create their lies in the diary of anne frank.where is the evidence of the holocaust?they all died not because of nazi but by disease.if u`re a holocaust approval then u`ve failed at studying..

[Inkan1969]

Just amazing how people can turn out as messed up as loudboy82.

[Agric0la]

He's proof that we live in an era of disinformation. "No evidence". thats a load of bull. He just rejects all the evidence as false. Let me trying something.

There is no evidence Arabs lived in Israel. Ever. Wow, it's easy when all i have to do is lie.

[HermogenesZither]

We don't live in an 'era of disinformation'. Quite the opposite; we live in an era of so much information that biased idiots like him can pick and choose any 'evidence' that supports their frail shell of an argument whilst simultaneously dismissing all evidence to the contrary. There's more knowledge in this era than there ever has been. There's also more lies and crackpot conspiracy theories, and anyone who believes such insanities has a great global network on which to trumpet their idiocy.

[yairbe5]

every time i see some one deening the holocost i start to think what whent worong in there childhood

[Inkan1969]

They're not worth our time. These anti-Semitic sickos should be disavowed, so that people can finally bring justice to Israel and Palestine.

[6070505]

the Whole world knew it happend. if you ask old german people they will say it happend, if you go to poland there are death camps there, and 6 million jews dont just from nothing.

[loudboy82]

it is because the jews told so.but we`re already know the truth from the quran.better u check it out by urself

[hooraysweden]

I don't know how you can get an accurate read on the events of the last 75 years from a book that's damn near 2,000 years old but whatever.

[loudboy82]

it is because the jews from the past until now have the same character.because of their arrogant,God have curse them until the day of judgement.better u read and understand the al-quran to know the jews habit and character.

[yairbe5]

there is proof dam fuck

[IsraeliXdude]

The idiocy problem spreading all over the world...