musharaf kay koton ko lanat hai our yh maa ka lora baag gaya randi ka bacha balochon ka katil aeo ak baloch kay samnay sara gand khol kay pacha nikal day gay ma kay loray
If Pervez Musharaff succeed to make his govt that is good for Pakistan future. I think in his time Pakistan was in better position n making progress. He is boold, wise n loyal with country. I personly think that he is much better than our present politions.
I neither hate musharraf or adore him. Ok so Musharraf did make the numbers better. However how much of that wealth got passed down? He did not build the foundation for future social, democratic and economic stability
What he did to my country has been translated into reality. You can see it everywhere in Pakistan. I am sorry to use a bad word but what he has done to Pakistan can never be forgotten.
PS: I am not a supporter of any kind of political party, i just support democracy and rule of law.
Savulm06, Why don't you join him on his facebook? That would be the best forum to raise all your queries and questions. I am sure he will be gald to answer you as long as you are constructive in your critical views.
I respect him for some of his services and decisions he took for the state of Pakistan, but some did more harm then any good. All I want to do is tat to show the whole story to all the viewers here rather then just one side of it. Firstly i just want to clear myself that i am not for or against any politician or political view but wish to present a more realistic view then presented by the idealists.
I just dont want to write something that will either be only supported or rejected, but believe in making the readers think before becoming part of the crowd.
do not wish to talk to Mr Musharaf but atleast expects answers from him based on facts rather than just a bunch of words
@savulm06 To get directly linked to the former dicktator of pakistan you will have to go through a long procedure of answering stupid questions of his 'payed' supporters on the internet. But i doubt it that you may get a chance to speak to the dick directly, even if you pass the lengthy process of grilled by these so called super patriots, whose job is to give a justification for all the illegal actions of former DICKtator.
Very nice speech by the President, but lacked a lot of details and reasons behind the development. Is there any place where I can reply to all his claims in detail?
And was just wondering if it is an official interview and whether my research would be replied by Mr President himself or not?
If i would have called dead dogs zia,ayub or yahyah a DICKtator, surely you wouldnt have worked your ass off to defend any of them,, but its anybodys guess that why upset about mushu dahrling being involved in the list of DICKS,, It is the self centred and self preserving policy of that dog, which has gotten the nation and country into such dire consequences. We are reaping what he along with few dogs(all hiding in foreign lands) had sowed.
Since you happen to be from the silent minority,, then i guess i happen to be right! :) and by the way, its not your army,, no need to pretend that you got offended. Its my army too, and if they happen to cross the line,, then i have all the right to critisize their policy of indulging in politics. But since i wasnt refering the army as an institution, i was refering to the DICKtatorS who brought nothing but bad name to the institution of army and the country.
Same question i ask of you,, where is your proof of higher judiciary being corrupt?? Judiciray wasnt a problem for You PPL untill it stood up to a DICKtator. That is where, it became a thorn in your eyes. Yes, they made mistakes, and thats how one learns, through trial and error. I for one will forgive higher judiciray for their past mistakes of validating a DICK, only because they stood up against the Dicktator later. And not so silent majority gave their verdict by pouring on to the roads.
You will surely change your ethnicity only to look the browbeaten one,, thats what you PPL have been doing since zia created you to oppose ppp in sindh. If you go on labeling me a racist, then like i give a flying fuck :) ,,, and yes i have learnt it from you PPL,, the snakes who take warmth from the bosom of a nation/coutry but yet in their black hearts always scheming for jinnah pur. And iam sure all the mess mushu left us with,, your hopes are higher for another disintegaration.
Even though I can;t stand Musharraf myself...lakin the scumbags at Lal Masjid got what they deserved. One mullah brother tried to escape wearing a burqa like a bitch.. and the other one who was held hostage against his will by his central asian tajik and uzbik freaks.. and he got killed as collateral damage. He was no martyr he died because of stupid choices and an accident.
Now about Musharraf he should also pay for his corruption and dictatorship which ruined my country.
i am not sure if their generals are either less patriot or more democratic minded, but it turned out the best for their country. And we are still stuck in age of military DICKtators and their hailers. By trial and error we will learn, and make all the institutes of the country strong,,,only if these military adventurers would let us be! And for that they should be given exemplary punishments. The other three dogs are dead but one is still alive. So, lets start with him.
Considering the record of army in 1999-2007, they have proven to have learnt their lesson by being MOST democratic than any self-proclaimed "democratic" PPP or PML-N politician. And to question their patriotism, as a whole, is shameful of you to say the least. In fact, this is you being DICK with a capital D. The only DOGS are those who question the army's patriotism and who abuse the one nationalist leader we have had in a long time. I think DOGS like YOU should be punished for sure.
Now to the pointy of politicians being corrupt! Offcourse they should be discouraged infact punshments accorded by the law should be metted to corrupt politicians but again,, their can be no justification for derailing institutes and democracy itself on the base of corruption charges against politicians! Our next door neighbor happen to be the biggest democratic country in the world, one hear many a stories of corruption in their own media But their generals never overthrew a government!
You are now jumping to a different subject. Original discussion was NRO, and now you drag in the topic of legitimacy of removing a viciously corrupt, yet "democratic," gov. Well, everything must be done to save the nation. Nothing is unconstitutional to save the country. Mush did the right thing in 1999 100%. Now don't go on comparing us with India. The two are different countries with different ground realities. in 1999 our situation was pathetic. India has never been in that situation.
2ndly, India economic situation, despite corruption, has been generally stable. We, on the other hand, were a bankrupt nation in 1999, about to be declared a terrorist / failed state, with less than $1 bn. in foreign reserves, with 64% of our GDP used for debt servicing, not to mention rampant nationwide corruption. When was the last India faced this? If anyone had the power to intervene and change this situation, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT! God bless Mush and Pak army for saving Pak in 1999!
Thirdly, we had NO genuine democracy in 1990's era. It was a SHAM "democracy," rather, DEMON-CRAZY. Actual democracy, though not perfect by any means, was witnessed under Mush, through Nazim system, where middle class were able to participate represent themselves. This was beginning of true grass roots democracy. We also witnessed unprecedented media freedom throughout Pakistan, togther with improved economy. I will HAPPILY have this form of gov ANY TIME than the demon-craZies of NS and BB.
And offcourse musharraf abrogated the constitution not once but twice no matter what justifications he or his urdu speaking followers give. He was atleast man enough to admit that his actions were unconstitutional but his followers try their best to cover all the foul trails he left behind. You people are no different then the punjabi lot, who would jump at any chance to save the name of zia(another dick)tator,, in pakistan, its all about ethnicity, no matter how educated one gets.
Not only is your inherent racism now coming to surface (you dislike Mush because he is urdu speaking and because Urdu speaking support him only) but you are now getting abusive: a sign of desperation. Alert: I am punjabi not muhajir/urdu speaking and know many fellow punjabis (as well as pathans and others) who support Musharraf. Secondly, be abusive, but don't whine like a baby when I hit back at you in kind (you started it, remember that). ... CONT...
Thirdly, your DEARLY BELOVED PCO Judge Iftikhar Chaudhry VALIDATED Mush's coming to power and all his actions up until 2007. Despite your racism and hatred towards urdu ppl, these are simply facts. If SC legitimizes something, you cannot say its "illegal" whether you like it or not. 4th, Mush NOWHERE said that his coming to power was "unconstitutional." And again you go on with your racism with terminology such as "you people" etc...as if you personally interviewed an entire race of millions.
As for it being all about ethnicity, I think there is a psychological problem with you. Clearly, from your tone and the terminology u adopt, one can infer that you are a racist. Yet you accuse others of adopting certain positions and defending some people for purely ethnic reasons EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE THE ONE WHO BEGAN THE ETHNIC TALK. So let me guess, you are a pathan who hates punjabis/urdu speakers, who thinks he is the best creation on the planet? I too can make generalizations :)
that data/evidence was provided ti him in tits and bits over the period of 8 years or so. It means the process was kept lengthy at behest of nawaz sharif first then musharraf. Andt the same tactic was applied in pakistani courts too. Always asking for more time.. If the courts would have given a verdict without a solid proof(which nawazs government and then musharaffs men held) then you people would have screamed "foul" at top of your lungs.
you are making a generalization. Because Devaud was allegedly provided data in "tits and bits," you conclude that the same must have occurred in all the cases. I cannot comment on individual cases since I do not have the data, but this manner of argument is not convincing. I would imagine that the Mush gov would have loved to see see BB and NS out of politics for good, behind bars. Hence they likely did present the evidence. However, the judiciary was not sincere in pursuing these cases.
Your allegations of judiciary being corrupt is as hollow as the ones pointed against mushrraf. You ask for proof of musharrafs corruption,, well i can do the same thing. Where is YOUR proof of judiciary corrupt? No wonder you hate the judiciary soo much, as they became the bane of your hero(mushu).. you said investigators collected and present the data to the courts and then courts give their verdicts. Right? Mr Devaud complained bout the same thing.
You keep dodging my question. If our judiciary is clean and so excellent, THEN WHY WHERE THEY NO WHERE CLOSE TO DECIDING THE CASES AGAINST BB, AZ, NS AND CO. IN OVER A DECADE? Why in 10 years or so they FAILED to put anyone of them behind bars? Will you answer this now? As for Judiciary being corrupt, after police it has been the MOST CORRUPT institution of Pakistan, where cases remain open for years and years, the poor get no justice etc. U denying all this?
As for Mush, not even his opponents generally accuse him of being corrupt. Whatever you think of him, corruption is not a charge leveled upon him personally. Secondly, the analogy you make is FALSE: Judiciary being corrupt is no secret; even PPP and PML-N do not deny this; it is the second most corrupt institution in Pakistan; Mush being allegedly corrupt, on the other hand is just your allegation for which you have afforded no proof.
Thirdly, stop making stuff up. You can ask me why I dislike the judiciary to learn the actual reason why I dislike them: I dislike them because for over a decade they miserably failed to bring to Justice the corrupt politicians of PPP and PML-N. And now NS has been set free, his plane hijacking case was tossed away (WITHOUT INTERVIEWING THE EYEWITNESSES - pilot etc). This is the reason why I dislike them, because a section is in NS' hands and another in AZ hand.
Forget about Devaud. He was working on a small fraction of cases (or just one?) and had BB been convicted, that would not have had much of an adverse impact upon her, and the verdict would have carried NO weight in Pakistani courts to begin with. Now, I ask you again, for 10 years our courts had these cases and they had all the data presented by the investigators: WHY THEN DID THEY FAIL TO BRING A SINGLE PERSON TO JUSTICE FROM PPP AND PML-n? Why is the court not now investigating the cases?
Basically N.R.O was his trump card to save his ass at the last moment from any kind of public backlash against his unconstitutional government. It wasnt passed as a pity ordinance for the politicians or for saving public funds,, but to get a safe exit for a military dicktator!! If anyone have any better ideas, then please do enlighten us.
There was no unconstitutional gov since PCO judge and his colleagues in supreme court had LONG legitimised it, as did the parliament. Mush's period was most open in Pakistan history, noting like "dictatorship." 2nd ly, don't get me wrong. I hate BB, NS and AZ. I am not fan of NRO. But now, after elections, I can see what Mush was trying to achieve through it. The main culprit here is not Mush, WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE CASES, the culprits are BB, her hubby and that GOON NS & JUDICIARY.
Mr Devaud was clearly upset by sudden withdrawal of cases by pakistani authorities(in musharrafs regime) on no apparent reason. He indicated that if the money laundering case was persued honestly by pakistani authorities and all the information given at once and not in tits and bits, then he would have given a verdict. But since mushrraf, like politicians was only intrested in prolonging the case so he could blackmail the couple(benazir+zardari), and it happened in abu dhabi meeting. N.R.O :)
The point is that before the "sudden withdrawal" of cases, they had ALREADY BEEN IN COURTS FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. Why on earth was in taking this long? Courts (Pak) were NOWHERE close to resolving them. Tell us WHY? So don't blame Musharraf for this. These cases are a mix mash of truths and lies, with old animosities continuing. After elections, the IDIOT public brought back NS (Punjab) and PPP to power. It was in this CHANGED POLITICAL REALITY that NRO was presented, to promote reconciliation.
moreover, what would have been the likely verdict of the swiss court and what impact would it have had on BB and Zardari? Minimal I think, as the bulk of the cases were not even being looked into. Again, the prob was not Pak authorities, it was the CORRUPT JUDICIARY, which is now MORE corrupt (thank you NS). Investigators present the data and it is for the courts to then analyse it and give verdict. Pak courts were NOT doing this. WHY?
Mushrraf did not invented them, but how come he was so sure about the corruption charges to be true that he publicly vowed that both benazir(her spouse) and nawaz shareef are the biggest corrupt people of pakistan and he(musharraf) would never allow them back anywhere near to power?? Like mushrrafs propagenda cronies, you have accused the judiciary of pakistan for not giving a verdict on those corruption charges. But, what about the on record statment of swiss judge Daniel Devaud?
It is no secret that BB and NS committed corruption. But in court, you have to present evidence. Now there is evidence, but what do you do when the judiciary is itself corrupt and in the hands of various factions? Had Mush just "punished" NS and BB you would have cried and called him "dictator". And when he allowed the Pak courts to do investigation, you still accuse him. catch 22! As for swiss judge, TELL THAT TO PAK judges. And if Pak judiciary was clean, why did they not resolve these cases?
I know Musharraf made many mistakes, but not as much as Bush did for his country. It happens everywhere.
The main problem was that after 9/11 the B*stard Americans asked only 1 question, either ur with us or against. What would you have chosen????? What no choice.
Musharraf cleverly played with USA, by using their money to better Pakistan and he never went to war fully with the Taliban unlike the latest gov, instead he played them.
The irony is that you people who are cursing zardari and co. over here, choose not to remember that it was musharraf who passed the controversial presidential ordinance named N.R.O to clean all the past corruption charges on zardari and other politicians,, thus letting the same old politicians get into elections whom he accused of being looters and liers before. So the point is, why did mushrraf took a U turn on this issue? pls dont say that if he wouldnt then americans would have spanked him!!
the ans is simple, NRO refers to cases launched by PPP against PML-N and vice-versa in the 1990's. Musharraf did not invent them. Millions have been spent on these cases and in 10-11 years nothing has been achieved. Why? Not because of Musharraf but because of the ever so corrupt Judiciary. These cases are a mixture of truths and falsehoods, with us being nowhere close to resolving them. Thus, NRO was a move towards reconciliation. You are welcome to spend 12 more years fighting these cases.
worst cheater, duffer, and other stuff whateva you are calling can't defend him.
Our economy is gettin worst day by day.. he was the guy who pushes all the culprit out of the country..
I agree with "JeeeNahi" 90% people doesn't understand this things.. but the worst part is that, people of educated people is very less in our country and only EDUCATED person can understand him.. ANYONE who have doubt in here.. just goto any BUSINESS MAN or A WELL EDUCATED person
IT'S NOT POSIBLE .. MUSHI,, ZARDARI AND ALL THE OTHER CORRUPT LEADERS ARE NOT GOING TO RULE THE PAKISTAN.... IT WAS THR LAST CHANCE NO ONE GOING TO TOLERATE THEM ANY MORE.. NOW ON WARD... BECZ NOW THE WORLD WILL SEE .. HOW USA OCCOPY THE LAND OF PAKISTAN.. WITHOUT ANY WAR..
DUE TO THE MISTAKES OF FUKER MUSHI AND HIS CAMPANION BASTARD ZARDARI..
Shani, you proved yourself to be a RETARD par excellence, with your LIE about "paid employee of zionists." Present your evidence, show us the receipts, else you remain a LIAR.
You make your situation WORSE by introducing a 2nd LIE: Mush being corrupt. There are NO personal corruption charges on him. he is clean.
Finally, since you do not have the IQ required to have a sober minded/polite discussion and can only abuse in anger, I end with your own style: YOU ARE A FUKER AND SO IS NAWAZ!
welcome back. Yes, Mush is clean as far as corruption goes. All you could say in response was "lol" - I mean, LOL. :) How desperate. 2nd, I am not a "Paki," I am a proud PAKISTANI who supports the Pakistani nationalist Musharraf. But I agree with your third point, that we should consider the future and not the past.
Mushy is a big lier. He is incompetent. Duffer. Its Pakistan's badluck that he became the ruler of Pakistan. He talks of inflated figures while in actual the women sold their bodies and mothers sold their kids.
Mr Mushy why dnt u remembr the number of mother that sold their kids for survival.
what "inflated" figures? What "big lie" did he utter? All you ppl can do is abuse, name-call, insult and make allegations (how Islamic :)). That suggests to me that there is something wrong with you folks rather than Musharraf.
Your comment about "women sold their bodies and mothers sold their kids" shows how desperate and silly you guys are, not to mention DUFFER.
musharraf did some blunders but he was way to better than the present govt. he was a great leader n feel the pulse of pakistanis. i feel ashamed being a citizen of a country whose president is zardari
90%+ of pakistanis are too stupid to understand things like modern economy. Their concept of economy is that the corner shop was selling cigarette at Rs. 10 and now its Rs. 15 which proves economy has worsened half as much. This is how we think. So sir Musharraf u are wasting ur time enumerating GDP, per capita and revenues most of these idiots cant understand how these things translate to modern economy of a country
Forgive me me JeeNahi, Just becuase ur stupid doesnt mean the whole of Pakistan is like u. For u information people in pakistan are very aware.
It people in the political parties that are stupid. In Pakistan wht ive seen is ony the really dumb people join Political parties. They are a minority. But they make a lot of noise. To these people econmy is better when all the party workers get govt jobs and placing. In reality this just a strain on the economy.
U might have heard the saying "fool me once, shame on u, fool me twice, shame on me"...how many times have the "aware" and "un-stupid" pakistani people been fooled by such politicans and yet they vote for those exact ones? And then cry about it after a year. This hardly shows wisdom or much intellect.
Secondly, i dont know what u mean by ur statement on economy - im a student of economy and i can show u exactly how it rapidly improved during Mush - look up GDP figures to begin with
When he was the president, Pakistans GDP growth rate was over 8%, foreign investment was at its highest, what you've got now is thanks to Mullahs and Zardari!!
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Dear commando what happened to your pledge to never leave Pakistan? May be the real estate in London proved too charming to resist. On another note have you ever seen pigs fly?
No doubt! Musharraf was a great leader of Pakistan after Quaid-e-Azam and Pakistan was progrssing well in every direction under his rule and we (majority of Pakistanis) want him back to rule us and get rid us of the present corrupt rulers
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buss baatein chodna seekha hai iss harami nay .... mainy zindagi main kisi ko budua nahi di ... laikin teri 7 naslein tabah kary Allah bud dua hai meri tery liaye Dil se ... tu dekhta ja Allah kerta kia hai tery sath jo tu nay pakistan k sath kia . .
aik se aik rundi ka bacha betha hai Pakistan main ... koi kuch nahi kerta Pakistan k liaye .... jo ata hai Bech k chala jata hai kuch na kuch ...
Hum Pakistani CHUTIAYE dikhty hain kia tum logon ko Bharwon ....?
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sala harami ...
Pakistan ki maa tou chod di tu nay,bharway ab bhe chain nahi mila tujhy kutay ki nasal ?
Aaj balochistan main ghuss nahi sakty hum..N.W.F.P main nahi ja sakty rundi k bachy ... PAkistan ko tu nay Karachi se Islambad tak ka bana k rukhdia hai madar chod .... Kashmir ja k India ko de aya rundi ... Balochistan aur N.W.F.P amricion ko de aya salaa madar zaad ....
Balochistan main operation 70s se chala araha hai aur agar koi independent balochistan bana ne ki sazish karega aur government ki writ challenge karega to unho independent balochistan kia banane day?
Aur NWFP main to koosoor jahil pakistanio aur media ka hai k unho ne taliban ke beej ko ek jungle banne dia..agar Mush ko operation us waqt karne dia hota to ye nobat na aati swat main
Kashmir ke solution k kareeb subse zada Mush hi aya tha back channel ke zariey, aur yehi wahid solution hai
LONG LIVE MUSSARAF SIR
addy2346 4 months ago
Allah talah aap ko mentally retarded , Narrow minded, and dirty logon say mehfooz rakhay aur aap ko kamyabi atta farmaay, Aameen
mns61us 10 months ago
musharaf kay koton ko lanat hai our yh maa ka lora baag gaya randi ka bacha balochon ka katil aeo ak baloch kay samnay sara gand khol kay pacha nikal day gay ma kay loray
TheBabaiNo1 10 months ago
When he was President what he did ????//
Gohardesign 1 year ago
If Pervez Musharaff succeed to make his govt that is good for Pakistan future. I think in his time Pakistan was in better position n making progress. He is boold, wise n loyal with country. I personly think that he is much better than our present politions.
lalabadsha 1 year ago
Musharraf i will stand in front of you and i will protect you always Allah is with you Inshallah..!
wajikhan1 1 year ago
Alright you pakistani people are a bucnh of fuck heads, you guys actually had something good going and then your stupid fucks just didn't want it
91mfhashmi 1 year ago
I neither hate musharraf or adore him. Ok so Musharraf did make the numbers better. However how much of that wealth got passed down? He did not build the foundation for future social, democratic and economic stability
azharaliahmed 1 year ago
ur comment is translating ur mind and ur thoughts MR.
theusmanakhter 1 year ago
What he did to my country has been translated into reality. You can see it everywhere in Pakistan. I am sorry to use a bad word but what he has done to Pakistan can never be forgotten.
PS: I am not a supporter of any kind of political party, i just support democracy and rule of law.
lionprince83 1 year ago
I like and support Musharraf. I think this SO CALLED democracy is worst then Musharraf's SO CALLED Dictatorship/
lovemusharraf 1 year ago
pakistan needs more leaders like pervez musharraf
jav2k 2 years ago
Savulm06, Why don't you join him on his facebook? That would be the best forum to raise all your queries and questions. I am sure he will be gald to answer you as long as you are constructive in your critical views.
Burhansiddiqui1 2 years ago
I respect him for some of his services and decisions he took for the state of Pakistan, but some did more harm then any good. All I want to do is tat to show the whole story to all the viewers here rather then just one side of it. Firstly i just want to clear myself that i am not for or against any politician or political view but wish to present a more realistic view then presented by the idealists.
Continued..
savulm06 2 years ago
continuation
I just dont want to write something that will either be only supported or rejected, but believe in making the readers think before becoming part of the crowd.
do not wish to talk to Mr Musharaf but atleast expects answers from him based on facts rather than just a bunch of words
savulm06 2 years ago
@savulm06 To get directly linked to the former dicktator of pakistan you will have to go through a long procedure of answering stupid questions of his 'payed' supporters on the internet. But i doubt it that you may get a chance to speak to the dick directly, even if you pass the lengthy process of grilled by these so called super patriots, whose job is to give a justification for all the illegal actions of former DICKtator.
alibryan20 2 years ago
Salam
Very nice speech by the President, but lacked a lot of details and reasons behind the development. Is there any place where I can reply to all his claims in detail?
And was just wondering if it is an official interview and whether my research would be replied by Mr President himself or not?
savulm06 2 years ago
lamentable are the brains and knowledge of the people who make musharraf-like people as their heroes.
phulpoto65 2 years ago
We all have brains but this man has super brain...good luck
abbaskhan81 2 years ago
Your are a real, real nd real pakistani hero.........
eazydeal 2 years ago
If i would have called dead dogs zia,ayub or yahyah a DICKtator, surely you wouldnt have worked your ass off to defend any of them,, but its anybodys guess that why upset about mushu dahrling being involved in the list of DICKS,, It is the self centred and self preserving policy of that dog, which has gotten the nation and country into such dire consequences. We are reaping what he along with few dogs(all hiding in foreign lands) had sowed.
alibryan20 2 years ago
Since you happen to be from the silent minority,, then i guess i happen to be right! :) and by the way, its not your army,, no need to pretend that you got offended. Its my army too, and if they happen to cross the line,, then i have all the right to critisize their policy of indulging in politics. But since i wasnt refering the army as an institution, i was refering to the DICKtatorS who brought nothing but bad name to the institution of army and the country.
alibryan20 2 years ago
Same question i ask of you,, where is your proof of higher judiciary being corrupt?? Judiciray wasnt a problem for You PPL untill it stood up to a DICKtator. That is where, it became a thorn in your eyes. Yes, they made mistakes, and thats how one learns, through trial and error. I for one will forgive higher judiciray for their past mistakes of validating a DICK, only because they stood up against the Dicktator later. And not so silent majority gave their verdict by pouring on to the roads.
alibryan20 2 years ago
You will surely change your ethnicity only to look the browbeaten one,, thats what you PPL have been doing since zia created you to oppose ppp in sindh. If you go on labeling me a racist, then like i give a flying fuck :) ,,, and yes i have learnt it from you PPL,, the snakes who take warmth from the bosom of a nation/coutry but yet in their black hearts always scheming for jinnah pur. And iam sure all the mess mushu left us with,, your hopes are higher for another disintegaration.
alibryan20 2 years ago
Even though I can;t stand Musharraf myself...lakin the scumbags at Lal Masjid got what they deserved. One mullah brother tried to escape wearing a burqa like a bitch.. and the other one who was held hostage against his will by his central asian tajik and uzbik freaks.. and he got killed as collateral damage. He was no martyr he died because of stupid choices and an accident.
Now about Musharraf he should also pay for his corruption and dictatorship which ruined my country.
Cyaalkot786 2 years ago
i am not sure if their generals are either less patriot or more democratic minded, but it turned out the best for their country. And we are still stuck in age of military DICKtators and their hailers. By trial and error we will learn, and make all the institutes of the country strong,,,only if these military adventurers would let us be! And for that they should be given exemplary punishments. The other three dogs are dead but one is still alive. So, lets start with him.
alibryan20 2 years ago
Considering the record of army in 1999-2007, they have proven to have learnt their lesson by being MOST democratic than any self-proclaimed "democratic" PPP or PML-N politician. And to question their patriotism, as a whole, is shameful of you to say the least. In fact, this is you being DICK with a capital D. The only DOGS are those who question the army's patriotism and who abuse the one nationalist leader we have had in a long time. I think DOGS like YOU should be punished for sure.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
Now to the pointy of politicians being corrupt! Offcourse they should be discouraged infact punshments accorded by the law should be metted to corrupt politicians but again,, their can be no justification for derailing institutes and democracy itself on the base of corruption charges against politicians! Our next door neighbor happen to be the biggest democratic country in the world, one hear many a stories of corruption in their own media But their generals never overthrew a government!
alibryan20 2 years ago
You are now jumping to a different subject. Original discussion was NRO, and now you drag in the topic of legitimacy of removing a viciously corrupt, yet "democratic," gov. Well, everything must be done to save the nation. Nothing is unconstitutional to save the country. Mush did the right thing in 1999 100%. Now don't go on comparing us with India. The two are different countries with different ground realities. in 1999 our situation was pathetic. India has never been in that situation.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
2ndly, India economic situation, despite corruption, has been generally stable. We, on the other hand, were a bankrupt nation in 1999, about to be declared a terrorist / failed state, with less than $1 bn. in foreign reserves, with 64% of our GDP used for debt servicing, not to mention rampant nationwide corruption. When was the last India faced this? If anyone had the power to intervene and change this situation, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT! God bless Mush and Pak army for saving Pak in 1999!
tipusultan007 2 years ago
Thirdly, we had NO genuine democracy in 1990's era. It was a SHAM "democracy," rather, DEMON-CRAZY. Actual democracy, though not perfect by any means, was witnessed under Mush, through Nazim system, where middle class were able to participate represent themselves. This was beginning of true grass roots democracy. We also witnessed unprecedented media freedom throughout Pakistan, togther with improved economy. I will HAPPILY have this form of gov ANY TIME than the demon-craZies of NS and BB.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
And offcourse musharraf abrogated the constitution not once but twice no matter what justifications he or his urdu speaking followers give. He was atleast man enough to admit that his actions were unconstitutional but his followers try their best to cover all the foul trails he left behind. You people are no different then the punjabi lot, who would jump at any chance to save the name of zia(another dick)tator,, in pakistan, its all about ethnicity, no matter how educated one gets.
alibryan20 2 years ago
Not only is your inherent racism now coming to surface (you dislike Mush because he is urdu speaking and because Urdu speaking support him only) but you are now getting abusive: a sign of desperation. Alert: I am punjabi not muhajir/urdu speaking and know many fellow punjabis (as well as pathans and others) who support Musharraf. Secondly, be abusive, but don't whine like a baby when I hit back at you in kind (you started it, remember that). ... CONT...
tipusultan007 2 years ago
Thirdly, your DEARLY BELOVED PCO Judge Iftikhar Chaudhry VALIDATED Mush's coming to power and all his actions up until 2007. Despite your racism and hatred towards urdu ppl, these are simply facts. If SC legitimizes something, you cannot say its "illegal" whether you like it or not. 4th, Mush NOWHERE said that his coming to power was "unconstitutional." And again you go on with your racism with terminology such as "you people" etc...as if you personally interviewed an entire race of millions.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
As for it being all about ethnicity, I think there is a psychological problem with you. Clearly, from your tone and the terminology u adopt, one can infer that you are a racist. Yet you accuse others of adopting certain positions and defending some people for purely ethnic reasons EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE THE ONE WHO BEGAN THE ETHNIC TALK. So let me guess, you are a pathan who hates punjabis/urdu speakers, who thinks he is the best creation on the planet? I too can make generalizations :)
tipusultan007 2 years ago
that data/evidence was provided ti him in tits and bits over the period of 8 years or so. It means the process was kept lengthy at behest of nawaz sharif first then musharraf. Andt the same tactic was applied in pakistani courts too. Always asking for more time.. If the courts would have given a verdict without a solid proof(which nawazs government and then musharaffs men held) then you people would have screamed "foul" at top of your lungs.
alibryan20 2 years ago
you are making a generalization. Because Devaud was allegedly provided data in "tits and bits," you conclude that the same must have occurred in all the cases. I cannot comment on individual cases since I do not have the data, but this manner of argument is not convincing. I would imagine that the Mush gov would have loved to see see BB and NS out of politics for good, behind bars. Hence they likely did present the evidence. However, the judiciary was not sincere in pursuing these cases.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
Your allegations of judiciary being corrupt is as hollow as the ones pointed against mushrraf. You ask for proof of musharrafs corruption,, well i can do the same thing. Where is YOUR proof of judiciary corrupt? No wonder you hate the judiciary soo much, as they became the bane of your hero(mushu).. you said investigators collected and present the data to the courts and then courts give their verdicts. Right? Mr Devaud complained bout the same thing.
alibryan20 2 years ago
You keep dodging my question. If our judiciary is clean and so excellent, THEN WHY WHERE THEY NO WHERE CLOSE TO DECIDING THE CASES AGAINST BB, AZ, NS AND CO. IN OVER A DECADE? Why in 10 years or so they FAILED to put anyone of them behind bars? Will you answer this now? As for Judiciary being corrupt, after police it has been the MOST CORRUPT institution of Pakistan, where cases remain open for years and years, the poor get no justice etc. U denying all this?
tipusultan007 2 years ago
As for Mush, not even his opponents generally accuse him of being corrupt. Whatever you think of him, corruption is not a charge leveled upon him personally. Secondly, the analogy you make is FALSE: Judiciary being corrupt is no secret; even PPP and PML-N do not deny this; it is the second most corrupt institution in Pakistan; Mush being allegedly corrupt, on the other hand is just your allegation for which you have afforded no proof.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
Thirdly, stop making stuff up. You can ask me why I dislike the judiciary to learn the actual reason why I dislike them: I dislike them because for over a decade they miserably failed to bring to Justice the corrupt politicians of PPP and PML-N. And now NS has been set free, his plane hijacking case was tossed away (WITHOUT INTERVIEWING THE EYEWITNESSES - pilot etc). This is the reason why I dislike them, because a section is in NS' hands and another in AZ hand.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
Forget about Devaud. He was working on a small fraction of cases (or just one?) and had BB been convicted, that would not have had much of an adverse impact upon her, and the verdict would have carried NO weight in Pakistani courts to begin with. Now, I ask you again, for 10 years our courts had these cases and they had all the data presented by the investigators: WHY THEN DID THEY FAIL TO BRING A SINGLE PERSON TO JUSTICE FROM PPP AND PML-n? Why is the court not now investigating the cases?
tipusultan007 2 years ago
Basically N.R.O was his trump card to save his ass at the last moment from any kind of public backlash against his unconstitutional government. It wasnt passed as a pity ordinance for the politicians or for saving public funds,, but to get a safe exit for a military dicktator!! If anyone have any better ideas, then please do enlighten us.
alibryan20 2 years ago
There was no unconstitutional gov since PCO judge and his colleagues in supreme court had LONG legitimised it, as did the parliament. Mush's period was most open in Pakistan history, noting like "dictatorship." 2nd ly, don't get me wrong. I hate BB, NS and AZ. I am not fan of NRO. But now, after elections, I can see what Mush was trying to achieve through it. The main culprit here is not Mush, WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE CASES, the culprits are BB, her hubby and that GOON NS & JUDICIARY.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
Mr Devaud was clearly upset by sudden withdrawal of cases by pakistani authorities(in musharrafs regime) on no apparent reason. He indicated that if the money laundering case was persued honestly by pakistani authorities and all the information given at once and not in tits and bits, then he would have given a verdict. But since mushrraf, like politicians was only intrested in prolonging the case so he could blackmail the couple(benazir+zardari), and it happened in abu dhabi meeting. N.R.O :)
alibryan20 2 years ago
The point is that before the "sudden withdrawal" of cases, they had ALREADY BEEN IN COURTS FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. Why on earth was in taking this long? Courts (Pak) were NOWHERE close to resolving them. Tell us WHY? So don't blame Musharraf for this. These cases are a mix mash of truths and lies, with old animosities continuing. After elections, the IDIOT public brought back NS (Punjab) and PPP to power. It was in this CHANGED POLITICAL REALITY that NRO was presented, to promote reconciliation.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
moreover, what would have been the likely verdict of the swiss court and what impact would it have had on BB and Zardari? Minimal I think, as the bulk of the cases were not even being looked into. Again, the prob was not Pak authorities, it was the CORRUPT JUDICIARY, which is now MORE corrupt (thank you NS). Investigators present the data and it is for the courts to then analyse it and give verdict. Pak courts were NOT doing this. WHY?
tipusultan007 2 years ago
Mushrraf did not invented them, but how come he was so sure about the corruption charges to be true that he publicly vowed that both benazir(her spouse) and nawaz shareef are the biggest corrupt people of pakistan and he(musharraf) would never allow them back anywhere near to power?? Like mushrrafs propagenda cronies, you have accused the judiciary of pakistan for not giving a verdict on those corruption charges. But, what about the on record statment of swiss judge Daniel Devaud?
alibryan20 2 years ago
It is no secret that BB and NS committed corruption. But in court, you have to present evidence. Now there is evidence, but what do you do when the judiciary is itself corrupt and in the hands of various factions? Had Mush just "punished" NS and BB you would have cried and called him "dictator". And when he allowed the Pak courts to do investigation, you still accuse him. catch 22! As for swiss judge, TELL THAT TO PAK judges. And if Pak judiciary was clean, why did they not resolve these cases?
tipusultan007 2 years ago
I wish he was still the president of Pakistan. After him Pakistan is in a nosedive situation.
cathy0007 2 years ago
I know Musharraf made many mistakes, but not as much as Bush did for his country. It happens everywhere.
The main problem was that after 9/11 the B*stard Americans asked only 1 question, either ur with us or against. What would you have chosen????? What no choice.
Musharraf cleverly played with USA, by using their money to better Pakistan and he never went to war fully with the Taliban unlike the latest gov, instead he played them.
nam045 2 years ago
The irony is that you people who are cursing zardari and co. over here, choose not to remember that it was musharraf who passed the controversial presidential ordinance named N.R.O to clean all the past corruption charges on zardari and other politicians,, thus letting the same old politicians get into elections whom he accused of being looters and liers before. So the point is, why did mushrraf took a U turn on this issue? pls dont say that if he wouldnt then americans would have spanked him!!
alibryan20 2 years ago
the ans is simple, NRO refers to cases launched by PPP against PML-N and vice-versa in the 1990's. Musharraf did not invent them. Millions have been spent on these cases and in 10-11 years nothing has been achieved. Why? Not because of Musharraf but because of the ever so corrupt Judiciary. These cases are a mixture of truths and falsehoods, with us being nowhere close to resolving them. Thus, NRO was a move towards reconciliation. You are welcome to spend 12 more years fighting these cases.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
one of the so called muslims leader ... who is the paid employee of zionists....
shani6653 2 years ago
sure, you saw the zionist receipts right? Idiot.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
*he/she will always support Musharraf..*
supporting Zardari is just ditching your country..
umairsclue 2 years ago
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umairsclue 2 years ago
worst cheater, duffer, and other stuff whateva you are calling can't defend him.
Our economy is gettin worst day by day.. he was the guy who pushes all the culprit out of the country..
I agree with "JeeeNahi" 90% people doesn't understand this things.. but the worst part is that, people of educated people is very less in our country and only EDUCATED person can understand him.. ANYONE who have doubt in here.. just goto any BUSINESS MAN or A WELL EDUCATED person
umairsclue 2 years ago
he is the worst cheater Pakistan has ever had. And whr other the other looter specially Shoukat Aziz. He even defiled Pak Army.
I would realy throw my kid panty over him if he were before me.
phulpoto65 2 years ago
"defiled" Pakistan army? You even know what that means? He's the best leader of modern Pakistan and he WILL return! Ameen.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
@tipusultan007
STUPID OF THE FIRST ORDER.....
IT'S NOT POSIBLE .. MUSHI,, ZARDARI AND ALL THE OTHER CORRUPT LEADERS ARE NOT GOING TO RULE THE PAKISTAN.... IT WAS THR LAST CHANCE NO ONE GOING TO TOLERATE THEM ANY MORE.. NOW ON WARD... BECZ NOW THE WORLD WILL SEE .. HOW USA OCCOPY THE LAND OF PAKISTAN.. WITHOUT ANY WAR..
DUE TO THE MISTAKES OF FUKER MUSHI AND HIS CAMPANION BASTARD ZARDARI..
shani6653 2 years ago
Shani, you proved yourself to be a RETARD par excellence, with your LIE about "paid employee of zionists." Present your evidence, show us the receipts, else you remain a LIAR.
You make your situation WORSE by introducing a 2nd LIE: Mush being corrupt. There are NO personal corruption charges on him. he is clean.
Finally, since you do not have the IQ required to have a sober minded/polite discussion and can only abuse in anger, I end with your own style: YOU ARE A FUKER AND SO IS NAWAZ!
tipusultan007 2 years ago
@tipusultan007
mushif is clean...lol
i'm not in favor of nawaz !!he also belong to same catagory...
but if u are paki u sould worry about future of pakistan.... the way USA interfering and making his influence in pakistan is dangrous....
and if u are optimistic then u should also realize this threat ... USA wants pakistan to free of nuclear weapons...
its not time for debate that mushi was right or wrong .. that's past we should focus at our future ...
shani6653 2 years ago
welcome back. Yes, Mush is clean as far as corruption goes. All you could say in response was "lol" - I mean, LOL. :) How desperate. 2nd, I am not a "Paki," I am a proud PAKISTANI who supports the Pakistani nationalist Musharraf. But I agree with your third point, that we should consider the future and not the past.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
Im not into Politics but one thing I would like to say that President Musharraf was far more better than Zardari.... Definitely...!!!
Saying the fact we all r humans & we do make mistakes...!!!
bmyidl 2 years ago 4
A big liar. Duffer
phulpoto65 2 years ago
Mushy is a big lier. He is incompetent. Duffer. Its Pakistan's badluck that he became the ruler of Pakistan. He talks of inflated figures while in actual the women sold their bodies and mothers sold their kids.
Mr Mushy why dnt u remembr the number of mother that sold their kids for survival.
He is really a duffer.
phulpoto65 2 years ago
why dont you give us exact figure of women selling their kids for survival ? If you cant then you are the duffer.
dargay 2 years ago
what "inflated" figures? What "big lie" did he utter? All you ppl can do is abuse, name-call, insult and make allegations (how Islamic :)). That suggests to me that there is something wrong with you folks rather than Musharraf.
Your comment about "women sold their bodies and mothers sold their kids" shows how desperate and silly you guys are, not to mention DUFFER.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
musharraf did some blunders but he was way to better than the present govt. he was a great leader n feel the pulse of pakistanis. i feel ashamed being a citizen of a country whose president is zardari
feesal2 2 years ago 5
you can say political blunders but the decisions were right .....
imranent88 2 years ago
90%+ of pakistanis are too stupid to understand things like modern economy. Their concept of economy is that the corner shop was selling cigarette at Rs. 10 and now its Rs. 15 which proves economy has worsened half as much. This is how we think. So sir Musharraf u are wasting ur time enumerating GDP, per capita and revenues most of these idiots cant understand how these things translate to modern economy of a country
JeeeNahi 2 years ago
Forgive me me JeeNahi, Just becuase ur stupid doesnt mean the whole of Pakistan is like u. For u information people in pakistan are very aware.
It people in the political parties that are stupid. In Pakistan wht ive seen is ony the really dumb people join Political parties. They are a minority. But they make a lot of noise. To these people econmy is better when all the party workers get govt jobs and placing. In reality this just a strain on the economy.
Souluntouched007 2 years ago
U might have heard the saying "fool me once, shame on u, fool me twice, shame on me"...how many times have the "aware" and "un-stupid" pakistani people been fooled by such politicans and yet they vote for those exact ones? And then cry about it after a year. This hardly shows wisdom or much intellect.
Secondly, i dont know what u mean by ur statement on economy - im a student of economy and i can show u exactly how it rapidly improved during Mush - look up GDP figures to begin with
JeeeNahi 2 years ago 3
How are the Pakistani people very aware when they voted for tried and corrupt politicians into power for the FIFTH time?
tipusultan007 2 years ago
hero of pakistan. only problem he was dictator. we will support him as a civilian president.
mfarooqramzan 2 years ago 2
He was never a dictator. But I wish he had been a dictator and gotten rid of BB and NS for good.
tipusultan007 2 years ago
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All you people calling Busharraf your hero should be ashamed of yourselves. He was the worst leader for us. Look at the state he left us in.
Cyaalkot786 2 years ago
When he was the president, Pakistans GDP growth rate was over 8%, foreign investment was at its highest, what you've got now is thanks to Mullahs and Zardari!!
attractivue 2 years ago 2
Musharraf is our Hero. Whenever Musharraf come we shall stand with you.
gittu79 2 years ago 8
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Dear commando what happened to your pledge to never leave Pakistan? May be the real estate in London proved too charming to resist. On another note have you ever seen pigs fly?
MrIfyouaskme 2 years ago
No doubt! Musharraf was a great leader of Pakistan after Quaid-e-Azam and Pakistan was progrssing well in every direction under his rule and we (majority of Pakistanis) want him back to rule us and get rid us of the present corrupt rulers
asfichuck 2 years ago 5
mushraf was great leader in pakistan history .which people bulshit to musharraf they can avoid his pareant also
TIKTAK04 2 years ago 4
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shutt u br mouth basterd............mader lun
azharmuni 2 years ago
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shutt u br mouth basterd............mader lun
azharmuni 2 years ago
people who don't have point to talk they start abusing language.
mfarooqramzan 2 years ago 2
Musharraf kii pakistan kii khidmaat ko salam
mcuk2001 2 years ago 8
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buss baatein chodna seekha hai iss harami nay .... mainy zindagi main kisi ko budua nahi di ... laikin teri 7 naslein tabah kary Allah bud dua hai meri tery liaye Dil se ... tu dekhta ja Allah kerta kia hai tery sath jo tu nay pakistan k sath kia . .
aik se aik rundi ka bacha betha hai Pakistan main ... koi kuch nahi kerta Pakistan k liaye .... jo ata hai Bech k chala jata hai kuch na kuch ...
Hum Pakistani CHUTIAYE dikhty hain kia tum logon ko Bharwon ....?
Harward007 2 years ago
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sala harami ...
Pakistan ki maa tou chod di tu nay,bharway ab bhe chain nahi mila tujhy kutay ki nasal ?
Aaj balochistan main ghuss nahi sakty hum..N.W.F.P main nahi ja sakty rundi k bachy ... PAkistan ko tu nay Karachi se Islambad tak ka bana k rukhdia hai madar chod .... Kashmir ja k India ko de aya rundi ... Balochistan aur N.W.F.P amricion ko de aya salaa madar zaad ....
Harward007 2 years ago
Balochistan main operation 70s se chala araha hai aur agar koi independent balochistan bana ne ki sazish karega aur government ki writ challenge karega to unho independent balochistan kia banane day?
Aur NWFP main to koosoor jahil pakistanio aur media ka hai k unho ne taliban ke beej ko ek jungle banne dia..agar Mush ko operation us waqt karne dia hota to ye nobat na aati swat main
Kashmir ke solution k kareeb subse zada Mush hi aya tha back channel ke zariey, aur yehi wahid solution hai
JeeeNahi 2 years ago
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what we have today in pakistan are seeds sowed by This cunt. now he is on run.
islamfortomorrow 2 years ago
Musharraf rules
Slayerz001 2 years ago 6
excellent open ur eyes pakisranion plz
and the people who are barking about my leader Musharraf let them bark but one thing i will must say
Musharraf was our leader , He is my leader and he will remain our leader forever Inshalah
gmalik4444 2 years ago 4