miller is taking the gracie challenge as a bjj rep. also rener is from what i know more of an instructor, if he does mma i havent seen any of his fights yet. two great guys both good bjj black belts.
Not a fan of Miller, but in a street fight I think he would have the advantage. If Miller knew any Judo, he could have used the gi against the Gracie dude ( Front choke ).
I train at the Gracie headquarters in torrence and I can say....Rener could've choked him out without the Gi. Those guys are just awesome at what they do, Mayhem although is an awesome fighter anyway regardless of his last fight....I think people on youtube take fighting to seriously...
Everyone complaining about the gi should watch some videos on BJJ. Miller could have just as easily used Rener's gi against him and choked him with it. Yes your gi can be used against an opponent but the opponent can also use your gi against you.
use what you have within the rules of the competion, that was a sweet joke. and no sporting event is a " real fight" though some are closer than others. the only real fight scenario i ever heard of as far as a prearranged scenario was by Bill Wallace of all people. he said the 2 opponents have one week to attack each other anywhere at anytime with anything. even in the early day the Gracies had rules as well they should. just add biting and much changes. much respect though, to both men.
Awesome by Rener...all miller had to do to get out of that choke was push Rener's elbow up but also be aware of the armbar....but in the end I would have used the same choke if I'm grappling a wrestler
@MistaJonesD It's winter time in new england right now. If I leave my house in a leather jacket and jeans, then I am essentially wearing a gi. Good to train with both when considering self defense training.
@pugghead I think for one others are right he took too long of a break, and never got enough time to be coached, because he had to coach a bunch of no ones. And really that whole adrenaline dump thing is understandable, but after going through as many fights as he did I don't get why he let it happen.
@mrwonderfulman2011 Rener knows more about grappling WITH strikes than 99% of the jiu jitsu world... study GJJ my friend, it is a world of difference from BJJ
This was not a Gracie Challenge. It was an invite only tourney that was put on at the Gracie Academy. You can find all the footage on their DVD series. He also takes on Joe Stevenson and some other big names.
this was a grappling match.... Gracie challenge was a no rules or MMA fight... Cant really have a valid Gracie challenge these days tho, considering they taught the MMA world their art...
I remember the good old days when the gracies took on challenges and fought whatever style they were. This gracie challenge you have to play their game. ofcourse they will win
Yes guys a Gi IS a weapon. It makes gripping easier as it soaks up sweat & creates friction. There are also many chokes & locks that use the gi. Since MMA stopped allowing Gi's it made it a little harder for BJJ fighters. Also, in a fight if u are NOT wearing clothing the opponent is encouraged to strike u, but if u ARE wearing clothing then the opponent with tend to grab u more than he would other wise. So it plays many roles.The Gi definately gave this guy an advantage but who knows?
@fliptthescript lol someone well versed in gi bjj has an advantage if theyre wearing their gi and the other guy isn't and only trains nogi... its only common sense try using it
@carlsongracieteam I appreciate what your saying but I'm wondering what would have happened had he not used his gi? did he do that because his guard position was slipping? I'm just wondering.
@OrisLover no in order to break the guard you must be postured up, and applying pressure to the ankles. he was doing neither things, plus rener had a body triangle which is nearly impossible to open, jason wasn't going anywhere he couldn't do anything to defend it was only a matter of time he got outclassed.
@carlsongracieteam I appreciate your feedback. Two more questions please: Do you think that is lack of proper training on Mayhem's part AND do you think he's going to get pummeled by Michael Bisping? Thank you very much for your insight!
@OrisLover no it wasn't from lack of proper training mayhem was very good on the ground, but compared to someone who has been doing it every single day all day since they could walk, he didn't really have a chance. I think he will destroy bisping he is way better on the ground and mayhem is no joke on his feet.
@Keyaunis how so? he was tagging bisping in the first round, just because he gassed doesn't mean he is a joke on his feet, lets see you get in there with him.
@waldomarek Uhh... "still won"? Having the gi on is WHY he won. The gi gives you a ton of ways to grip a sweaty opponent. Even if you use it to wipe your hands to grab a choke.
@carafust so you're saying when one is wearing a gi, there are more advantages for the gi-wearer than there are disadvantages? if so, i admire you for thinking like that.
It wasn't the challenge, they were just rolling. I'm sure Jason has trained with a gi plenty of times before but has likely gotten used to not wearing it nowadays in MMA, which is why he got caught.
Ya know, for anyone who is complaining about the gi ... It didn't seem to bother Jason Miller enough that he didn't want to grapple, did it? The best way to train is both gi and no gi. I don't know about anyone else but where I live people wear big ass coats in the winter. In the winter I train with the gi, when it's too warm, I take it off ... simple.
With training you have to develop methodology for fighting, and pick up little things which give edge to a fighter, if a fighter isnt tuned intellectually it wont make difference how much the person trains ... body has limits the brain goes on to achieve new heights, when body stops advancing its essential that brain advances, .
honestly, this is why i never train with a gi. it takes too much away from the game, dont get me wrong watching 2 high level gi black belts is amazingly smooth but it to me it takes alot of the skill out of it. hitting an armbar on someone youve been rolling with for over 15 minutes when your both covered in sweat is alot more fulfilling then grabbing ahold of a wet blanket.
@Lyotodossantos You're a complete moron who has no idea what you're talking about. First off, Edgar "Bravo" beat Royler not Renzo. Secondly, I don't think "Bravo" would ever claim to be able to beat all the Gracies (especially Roger) let alone do it.
@MIT2004 Of course not that wasent the rules. Its called the Gracie challenge meaning grappling match! lol However I think it wasent far that miller could not use a gi. But I heard Miller didnt want to seeing that sakuraba destroyed the gracies with catch wrestling. I would love to see them go at it in pure no gi grappling. I would still give the edge to rener cause thats all they train in. Miller is an amazing grappler but mma based.
@b7r7u7c7e This is definitely not the Gracie Challenge as this was purely a grappling match at the Gracie Academy in Torrance. Clearly you have no idea what the Gracie Challenge was. It was a no holds barred fight (of course strikes were allowed) that the Gracies put forth to challengers that wanted to test themselves against them.
@laylalaylady Gracie challenge simply means taking on a Gracie family member. Notice there is no specification regarding how such a challenge is conducted, the example you contrive is simply a gracie challenge within a different set of rules. You commit the fallacy of composition: what is true for the part is entirely true for the whole. That is like saying most NBA players I have seen by in far are black, therefore NBA players are black, when in fact others exist. Clearly YOU have no idea
@cocotiger77 There is no way you're seriously this ignorant and mindless, are you? Please do yourself a favor and look into what the Gracie Challenge was. I hate using wikipedia but you seem like you're so completely clueless about what it is that this might be a good starting point: en.wikipedia.(org)/wiki/Gracie_Challenge. Please look up information about what the Gracie Challenge is and feel that wave of stupidity and embarrassment fill your dense head.
@laylalaylady So instead of writing what the Gracie challenge is (or copy from wiki since you obviously were there) you wrote a long-ass insult to a guy on the internet.. Who's the mindless and dense here?
@Tonyklick Who's the mindless and dense what? Your inability to pose a coherent question shows that you're clearly the mindless one. Also, if you weren't so dense, you would've realized that the comment you replied to was directed to someone who replied to my comment that specifically stated what the Gracie Challenge was (in my own words). If your question was asking who the mindless and dense one is here then I think you've made it painfully clear that it's you.
@laylalaylady I guess everyones mindless and dense except you.
You're blaming me for not looking into things before I write and then attack my english skills, not realizing my mother tounge is swedish. That was just as mindless of you.
Also my comment was about insulting someone and writing alot instead of just helping a guy who, you think, is mindless, dense, stupid and embarrassing. That's pretty freaking dense
in a bjj match non-gi will have major advantages over a gi because of succeptability to lapel chokes. the whole gi presents itself as a tool for gripping for the non gi fighter. that said miller had the upper hand here going with no gi going up against a gi fighter.
@ACIDOCEAN1 lol I always laugh at people who think No-gi has advantages. No, I beg to differ... and I'm sure the other person will beg to differ when I have a unwrapped belt to choke them with. And they only have body parts.
Getting a gi choke is good, but if you are not used to using clothing to do submissions. That thought process doesnt' come naturally.
@OVERCAPITALIZE well the video is of a gracie practioner...so its not restricting for him...and thats what my comment is aimed at...not some other random bjj guy or a judoka
@georgeryan09 Of course I have hence the name. The other persons own gi is used by the other person to choke them more commonly than you using your own gi. The gi also can be used to help the other person pass you guard. The gi just plainly allows your opponent to have extra grips on you when your grappling.
@seattle0002 before you start saying someone is cheating you should probably learn the art before you start running your mouth.. there are more chokes you can do AGAINST the person wearing the gi then the other way around, mayhem had the advantage here
what's the point of arguing? Badasses should just take the challenge. My first martial art was a very traditional jiujitsu from japan. I got assaulted once and was picked up thrown and mounted. I used an eye-gouge to submit the attacker without any permanent damage. Basic knowledge of positioning, posture and control on the ground was the only reason I was able to successfully use the eye gouge. It takes more knowledge and technique than it might appear.
Training with a Gi has its advantages and dis advantages, however the point I continue to make and idiots like you continue to miss is that GI Chokes shouldnt not be allowed under competition settings. Wraping a Piece of clothing or a belt around someone's neck does not display awsome grappling ability. Its just shows desperation to get out of a seemingless dominated position...
Again look up ADCC the most prestigious no gi grappling. All submissions are no gi, and look up who wins in every category. it's usually guys with a strong gi BJJ background. Look up marcelo garcia (BJJ) vs Mike van arsdale (wrestler) . Point is bjj works both with or without gi.It has good submissions under no gi rules and dominates the grapplling scene. Proof: ADCC . nuff said
@weninjason This was a sport Jiu Jitsu setting. In an MMA fight or street fight, how do you know that Rener would not modify his techniques to adapt to the situation? The whole focus of their style of Jiu Jitsu is to be effective in a real street fight as opposed to practicing the art as just a sport.
National and World grappling and MMA competitions do NOT allow Gi chokes in a competition setting, Many BBJ fighters only wear the Gi as tradition in the art. Try looking up the Rules for National and World MMA associations. Rener should know better and should be using his hands to win, not his cloths. His GI Choke proves hes a Bitch and needs to cheat to win.
The point is u use what u can in a fight, and that's what rener did. If we fight and i knock u out with a beer bottle, does that make me a cheater? No, it's about survival. Now, it could've backfired on rener. Mayhem couldve used the gi to choke rener and control him w/ it too. In my opinion rener shouldve fought mayhem with no gi, or mayhem should've worn a gi to make it an apples to apples comparison.
Hence why I say the Gracie Challenge is Bullshit!! The Majority of National MMA and Grappling Competitions and Tournaments do NOT allow competitors to Choke out there opponents using there GI's because it is considered using a weapon against an Unarmed opponent and visa versa. Many BBJ fighters who wear the GI in like pride fighting or the UFC, strictly wear it for Tradition's Sake...
@AxelDuel Yeah, that's why many mma fighters such as GSP has stated training with the gi helps him a lot with grappling techniques and overall reaction time
Bjj is a good basic form of ground game and grappling. But thats it, its not dominant in anyway and choking someone out with your Gi is just Lame and a desperate attempt to win a fight. You wanna prove your Grabbling is awsome, ACTUALLY GRAPPLE!!!! Im a brown belt in Krav-Maga and a Green in Gyu-ryu Karate, Rener isnt going to be able to lay a hand on me without getting his arms shuved up his ass first. My argument is Gi chokes shouldnt be allowed in a straight up grappling MATCH!
Your statement "My argument is Gi chokes shouldnt be allowed in a straight up grappling MATCH!" -- check out ADCC or abu dhabi tournament. We do have no gi grapplign in BJJ. Example is ADCC where bjj comes out on top against other forms of grappling. It includes wrestling, sambo, judo and all other forms without the gi. All the champions are mostly BJJ guys that have a background in the gi. They use submissions without gi and beat other wrestlers. That should answer your concern.
@truthiracy3 that's not true because gsp and Jake shields jake shields is like the best gjj fighter in mma and he got wooped and put out his element with superior striking
@everlg yea what where are your facts jake shields was on like a 14 fight win streak and what u think got him there not his striking because his striking is on a 1st grade lvl so he did what he did best keeping ppl on the ground and he beat great fighters on top of that miller was one and he was only in top position for like a minute in one round and the rest was all sheilds so what are u saying
BJJ is great, but that gi shit is dumb. It's dumb to arbitrarilly declare what articles of clothing are acceptable to use to your advantage in a grappling match. Why not have a variation of the sport were a rope dangles from your pants like a tail which you can use to strangle your opponent? To me this is just as silly.
The question is, what Gracie wants to take on the Matt Hughes challenge before he completely retires? lol
@Centurion480 I guess so, but that's kind of a lame rationale beings in a real fight with no restrictions Mayham could have bitten his way out of that submission, lol.
I forget what the roman style of fighting was called; were there were no rules and fighters would eye gouge, grab testicals, bite, etc. My point is that we should distinguish between what should be allowed in a controlled grappling match vs. a fight. Obviously MMA is a controlled fight, so no biting is allowed.
this isnt a real fight, thats the point you Moron, Its a Grappling match, GRAPPLING!!!! meaning your Bare fucking hands dumb ass. If it was a real fight, Miller would be beating him down with punches and elbows!
@AxelDuel lol i said simulate, my friend. SIMULATE. If you don't know what it means its ok, ill explain it more.
In martial arts, you practice combat. Simple. And you want it to be as applicable to reality as possible... and in reality we wear clothes. So.... the GI simulates clothes.
Rener chose to wear a Gi because he is used to street simulated grappling. Mayhem didn't wear one because he probably didn't want to risk being Gi choked.
again your missing the point, your so horny to run in and fuck, that you miss the fucking pussy by a long shot!
Its a Grappling Match, meaning hands kid, not cloths, its a competition on whos Grappling is better. If you need to use your Gi to win, obviously your not good with your Hands. They dont allow GI Chokes in Vale Tudo, Pride fighting and even the UFC doesnt allow them. Because your gi is a WEAPON!!!! not your own physical body or prowless!
@AxelDuel There is Gi and No-Gi grappling. This was clearly a choice match. Rener chose to wear his because he trains for realistic scenarios. This is not a difficult concept.
@Centurion480 My point was though that by that logic, why not make it even more of a realistic scenario and allow Mayhem to bite his way out of the submission? Obviously there have to be basic groundrules in a grappling match, so in my opinion using cloth as a weapon shouldn't be allowed. Otherwise, it's not a pure grappling match is it?
@xXTheRatXx You don't bite because that leaves perminant damage. Same goes for fish hooking and goin shots. Its not a practical way to practice. There are certain elements of a street fight that cannot be simulated. Clothing, however, can be quite easily simulated. And "pure grappling" can be gi or no-gi. This was a choice match.
@Centurion480 When the romans practiced, they bit. haha
I see your point though. To me though, the point of competetive grappling and fighting is to remove as many variables as possible and see who is the victor. What good is simulating clothing if you can't simulate a potenially way more significant variable such as an oponent surprising you with a knife he pulled out of his pocket? "Pure grappling" as I define it does not involve any weapons other then your bare hands.
Again you keep missing the point, Its the GRACIE CHALLENGE!!! The challenege that the gracies pose on other fighters to prove there BJJ is the best in the world. However Grappling in its Basic competition is hand to hand, not Cloth to Hand get it? Obviously you dont because you keep rehashing the same bullshit!
@AxelDuel apparently you dont get it seeing as how traditional brazilian jiu jitsu uses the GI. i train at jorge gurgels gym and they teach 3 one hour no-gi classes every week M-Sat. thats it. the rest is gi only. good try though
@AxelDuel im not really sure if you or any of the dudes here bashing the gi has actually trained in grappling. the gi is more restrictive, it slows you down and forces you to use technique. The gi also allows your opponent to grip it instead of controlling via the wrists. So its not as easy as it seems to roll in a gi vs without. But what Rener did here, yes, I would say, without the gi, Mayhem would have had a better chance
Ugh! Not bashing the Gi as a whole, the gi is a great wear and also good to fight in. What I am Saying is that You shouldnt be allowed to use your clothing such as your GI to wrap around your opponents neck and choke him out with it. That In any competition is considered using a weapon and you would be disqualified. This should have been a DQ as well Since they are both purely grappling each other with no strikes or any other methods of attack other then grappling. get the point?
thus we have no gi tournaments for your so called pure hand to hand grappling. The rules are very open to all forms of grappling and doesnt restrict other grappling styles. For ex. judo competition has rules not favoring wrestler or BJJ guys to enter. Wrestling competition has rules that doesnt favor BJJ and judo players to enter. What ADCC did was to open up the rules so all forms of grappling can join. Sambo, judo, wrestling BJJ etc. for ex leglocks r ok to accommod8 sambo
@AxelDuel You're right, that's another thing that's deceptive with these Gacie challenge matches against wrestlers. They point out that wresters are good at putting guys on there back and that BJJ guys are comfortable with grappling from their backs, but the big advantage of putting a guy on his back in a fight is being able to drop the bombs! That's why highly decorated wrestlers still for the most part dominate MMA. So these challenge matches are a deceptive to say the least.
@xXTheRatXx I agree with you for the most part. However also bear in mind these decorated wrestlers are also good at submission defense, guys like Ben Henderson for example ruthlessly bash their opponents through GnP yet dont get submitted because of their sub defense. Guys like Sonnen..well he got subbed by Silva LOL
@toolfan92 Yea it's a shame that Sonnen ended up losing that after kicking Anderson's ass for over four rounds. The rematch cannot come sooner as far as I'm concerned!
Ugh! Ok Let me put it this way... BJJ uses 90% gi techniques, awsome, Your not gonna be wearing your GI outside of a dojo, you wouldnt wear it to the super market would you? So Yeah if the Gi version of the style makes up 90% of its offensiveness, Not gonna be any good when you dont have it. Also if you say thats his Guard, awsome, Ill just remove my leather belt and strap it around Reiner's neck and choke him till his eyes balls pop out of his skull. Now IM A BJJ MASTER!!
Nah if Rener needs to use his Gi to win a Grappling match against someone who supposedly isnt a better wrestler then He is, then yea I think rener is gonna be in a heap of trouble wrestling me. See Im not cheap like he is cheating with his clothing, and I can squeeze a womping 800psi with my arms so, yea, it'll be like squeezing paste out of a tube.
have you ever trainned bjj? i'm only a blue belt and i continually beat the shit out of bigger guys than me. i'm talking while sparring no-gi. imagine what a black belt like rener would do to you. mayhem is a black belt in bjj so rener had a tough time to choke him, against someone with little to no experience like you he would murder you with ease, regardless of how much you can squeeze
Garuntee you Renier couldnt beat Mayhem without having used his Gi to choke him out, he was in a submissive position the entire fight and had to resort to cheating with his Gi choke. inorder to win this seemingly hopeless fight. You are litterally defending cheating, theres an interview I saw of mayhem after the challenge and he says that the rules wernt explained and never realized that he could use his gi at anytime during the fight. Yea Real Tough the Gracies are!
@AxelDuel This guy is obviously a troll. Nobody can possibly be this stupid and ignorant. If bjj is such bullshit, why dont you get a buddy, fly out to the gracie camp, sit outside the school and just fucking jump one of the gracies on camera. Since bjj is so useless you should have some great video footage of you choking renier out with your belt. Cause you know, looking down to unfasten your belt while grappling is a great fucking idea. You definently wouldnt get an arm wrapped up.
OK Mayhem Miller does not use BJJ as a dominant stance style. This is American MMA vs BJJ, competition. The use of the Gi should not be allowed as a choking manuver because you are fighting an opponent thats not wearing one. The reason Mayhem didnt use Renier's GI against him is because he didnt know that was allowed in that Challenge. and ty for proving that BJJ is a Bullshit crap style, Your not gonna wear a GI everwhere you go and so learning to use it is just dumb.
miller is taking the gracie challenge as a bjj rep. also rener is from what i know more of an instructor, if he does mma i havent seen any of his fights yet. two great guys both good bjj black belts.
destincox 1 week ago
Not a fan of Miller, but in a street fight I think he would have the advantage. If Miller knew any Judo, he could have used the gi against the Gracie dude ( Front choke ).
ASSBANG6969 2 weeks ago
Good thing we all wear our gis everyday to do that sort of choke eh?
LordShandor 2 weeks ago
what gi vs no-gi is that really fair
badmamajama777 3 weeks ago 4
I train at the Gracie headquarters in torrence and I can say....Rener could've choked him out without the Gi. Those guys are just awesome at what they do, Mayhem although is an awesome fighter anyway regardless of his last fight....I think people on youtube take fighting to seriously...
CFH90XX 3 weeks ago
Everyone complaining about the gi should watch some videos on BJJ. Miller could have just as easily used Rener's gi against him and choked him with it. Yes your gi can be used against an opponent but the opponent can also use your gi against you.
joemac9408 3 weeks ago
Now do it without the GI.
kmixxx101 4 weeks ago 3
use what you have within the rules of the competion, that was a sweet joke. and no sporting event is a " real fight" though some are closer than others. the only real fight scenario i ever heard of as far as a prearranged scenario was by Bill Wallace of all people. he said the 2 opponents have one week to attack each other anywhere at anytime with anything. even in the early day the Gracies had rules as well they should. just add biting and much changes. much respect though, to both men.
MrByaeger 1 month ago
@MrByaeger sorry, meant " sweet choke", shouldn't watch a comedy show as i comment, my bad.
MrByaeger 1 month ago
booooo!! He has a gi on no fair..Not saying Miller could have won if it was just no gi but this is stupid.
remstyle 1 month ago
is it had been strikes he'd have most likely pounded him. Certainly wouldnt have got a gi choke from the bottom with strikes happening
alfiejames8 1 month ago
gi=advantage :P
CAMMANDERCGF 1 month ago
Awesome by Rener...all miller had to do to get out of that choke was push Rener's elbow up but also be aware of the armbar....but in the end I would have used the same choke if I'm grappling a wrestler
DAVEMAN54 1 month ago
I hate that GI everybody know Miller would've whupped him if it was a real fight
MistaJonesD 1 month ago
@MistaJonesD It's winter time in new england right now. If I leave my house in a leather jacket and jeans, then I am essentially wearing a gi. Good to train with both when considering self defense training.
stang4lyfe07 1 month ago
and that is why i dont like gi
inframundo2006 1 month ago
Let Miller hit him and see what happens! It was only a grappling match!
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 after Millers last fight.. my moneys on Renner
pugghead 1 month ago 24
@pugghead He just shouldn't have fought a guy like Bisping after like a 6 month break.
mrchrisrulesyousuck 1 week ago
@pugghead I think for one others are right he took too long of a break, and never got enough time to be coached, because he had to coach a bunch of no ones. And really that whole adrenaline dump thing is understandable, but after going through as many fights as he did I don't get why he let it happen.
flamezero888V2 2 days ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Rener knows more about grappling WITH strikes than 99% of the jiu jitsu world... study GJJ my friend, it is a world of difference from BJJ
stang4lyfe07 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 why you acting like miller hits hard, i reckon i would outstrike him on a sunday morning after a gut full of beer! you idiot
mickyquin 2 weeks ago
@mickyquin You're gotta be joking! Even if Miller loses in this video, you would still be his bitch on any given day! Dream on! LMAO!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 weeks ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Millers striking is a joke.
Relvolver64 2 weeks ago
@Relvolver64 so is what's inside your pants!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 weeks ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Miller hits like an 8 yr old girl. And I like Mayhem. But his striking sucks!!
ZaikaZaikaZaika 1 week ago
Sneaky rener, sneaky :P
k00lkane 1 month ago
This was not a Gracie Challenge. It was an invite only tourney that was put on at the Gracie Academy. You can find all the footage on their DVD series. He also takes on Joe Stevenson and some other big names.
thecardmonkey 1 month ago
if u could use ur gi I could use gnp..totally bs as the gi could be used as a weapon..so miller had to deal with rener's grappling and gi..sux
shoto520 1 month ago
Millers Gracie Challenge performance was really bad too
NealZ31 1 month ago
Millers UFC performance was horrible....
MrJordybt 1 month ago
@MrJordybt Yeah, sad. I like him alot.
thecardmonkey 1 month ago
this was a grappling match.... Gracie challenge was a no rules or MMA fight... Cant really have a valid Gracie challenge these days tho, considering they taught the MMA world their art...
Now its really more to do with athlete vs athlete
Tino13 2 months ago 7
I remember the good old days when the gracies took on challenges and fought whatever style they were. This gracie challenge you have to play their game. ofcourse they will win
christophs82 2 months ago
@christophs82 No, in the Gracie challenge you don't have to play their game. It's no rules. This is simply a grappling match between the two.
thecardmonkey 1 month ago
dont you hated when your at the bottom of the gaurd, triangle or armbar and the guy's about to slam you down into the ground.
pineapplefever1 2 months ago
@pineapplefever1 hhok the leg and it wont happen
ultimateazzy 2 months ago
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ultimateazzy 2 months ago
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ultimateazzy 2 months ago
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Yes guys a Gi IS a weapon. It makes gripping easier as it soaks up sweat & creates friction. There are also many chokes & locks that use the gi. Since MMA stopped allowing Gi's it made it a little harder for BJJ fighters. Also, in a fight if u are NOT wearing clothing the opponent is encouraged to strike u, but if u ARE wearing clothing then the opponent with tend to grab u more than he would other wise. So it plays many roles.The Gi definately gave this guy an advantage but who knows?
realityIZanILLUSION 2 months ago
of course choking with your gi is allowed there are tons of gi chokes
ConcreteKOS 2 months ago
you can't fuckin choke someone with your gi bullshit
fliptthescript 2 months ago
@fliptthescript
it seems that you dont know much of jiu jitsu, of course its allowed
fred1395durst 2 months ago
@fliptthescript umm yes you can? l0l
Prodigyz8 2 months ago
@fliptthescript Yes you can. You've clearly never trained BJJ before.
SeanOBriain 2 months ago
@fliptthescript lol someone well versed in gi bjj has an advantage if theyre wearing their gi and the other guy isn't and only trains nogi... its only common sense try using it
JahnNeema 2 months ago
is choking out with a gi allowed?
xosmvxo912 3 months ago
Did Rener Garcie choke him out by using part of his gi? I wonder what would have been the outcome had Rener not worn a shirt?
OrisLover 3 months ago
@OrisLover well considering mayhem could do nothing to rener not even open his guard, rener would still win.
literally all mayhem did was get stuck in guard and his only way out was to tap.
carlsongracieteam 2 months ago
@carlsongracieteam I appreciate what your saying but I'm wondering what would have happened had he not used his gi? did he do that because his guard position was slipping? I'm just wondering.
OrisLover 2 months ago
@OrisLover no in order to break the guard you must be postured up, and applying pressure to the ankles. he was doing neither things, plus rener had a body triangle which is nearly impossible to open, jason wasn't going anywhere he couldn't do anything to defend it was only a matter of time he got outclassed.
carlsongracieteam 2 months ago
@carlsongracieteam I appreciate your feedback. Two more questions please: Do you think that is lack of proper training on Mayhem's part AND do you think he's going to get pummeled by Michael Bisping? Thank you very much for your insight!
OrisLover 2 months ago
@OrisLover no it wasn't from lack of proper training mayhem was very good on the ground, but compared to someone who has been doing it every single day all day since they could walk, he didn't really have a chance. I think he will destroy bisping he is way better on the ground and mayhem is no joke on his feet.
carlsongracieteam 2 months ago
@carlsongracieteam Thank you very much for your insight!
OrisLover 2 months ago
@carlsongracieteam really? i think mayhem is exactly a joke on his feet..
Keyaunis 2 months ago
@Keyaunis how so? he was tagging bisping in the first round, just because he gassed doesn't mean he is a joke on his feet, lets see you get in there with him.
carlsongracieteam 2 months ago
Miller would destroy him in MMA rules.
sirbrad4 3 months ago
haha, gi vs no gi and rener still won, mad skillz!
waldomarek 3 months ago
@waldomarek Wat betekent het om nee te zeggen? Alleen de uitwisseling van beide technologieën.
micseille 3 months ago
@micseille waar heb jij het over?
waldomarek 3 months ago
@waldomarek Uhh... "still won"? Having the gi on is WHY he won. The gi gives you a ton of ways to grip a sweaty opponent. Even if you use it to wipe your hands to grab a choke.
carafust 2 months ago
@carafust so you're saying when one is wearing a gi, there are more advantages for the gi-wearer than there are disadvantages? if so, i admire you for thinking like that.
waldomarek 2 months ago
It wasn't the challenge, they were just rolling. I'm sure Jason has trained with a gi plenty of times before but has likely gotten used to not wearing it nowadays in MMA, which is why he got caught.
bigp132 3 months ago
Ya know, for anyone who is complaining about the gi ... It didn't seem to bother Jason Miller enough that he didn't want to grapple, did it? The best way to train is both gi and no gi. I don't know about anyone else but where I live people wear big ass coats in the winter. In the winter I train with the gi, when it's too warm, I take it off ... simple.
MrMZaccone 3 months ago
To tap out Mayhem Miller is no easy feat! All he does is eat ,sleep and train.
ramrod20042000 3 months ago
@ramrod20042000
With training you have to develop methodology for fighting, and pick up little things which give edge to a fighter, if a fighter isnt tuned intellectually it wont make difference how much the person trains ... body has limits the brain goes on to achieve new heights, when body stops advancing its essential that brain advances, .
TheSirSneaky 3 months ago
honestly, this is why i never train with a gi. it takes too much away from the game, dont get me wrong watching 2 high level gi black belts is amazingly smooth but it to me it takes alot of the skill out of it. hitting an armbar on someone youve been rolling with for over 15 minutes when your both covered in sweat is alot more fulfilling then grabbing ahold of a wet blanket.
tayyynigumms4356 4 months ago
@tayyynigumms4356 you are an idiot
6psycho9 3 months ago
@tayyynigumms4356 ur dumb
D0ughboythegreat 3 months ago
hell yeah
Death2wrestlingBJJ 4 months ago
Eddie Bravo, who prefers no-gi, clicked "dislike" 14 times.
hondaciviccoupe10 4 months ago
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Lyotodossantos 4 months ago
@Lyotodossantos Roger Gracie says no.
Audiofalcon7 4 months ago
@Lyotodossantos eddie beat royler not renzo then lost right after do some research
gogetatr12 4 months ago
@Lyotodossantos You're a complete moron who has no idea what you're talking about. First off, Edgar "Bravo" beat Royler not Renzo. Secondly, I don't think "Bravo" would ever claim to be able to beat all the Gracies (especially Roger) let alone do it.
laylalaylady 3 months ago
I bet u anything miller wasn't allowed to hit, bc if he was he would have won
MIT2004 4 months ago
@MIT2004 Of course not that wasent the rules. Its called the Gracie challenge meaning grappling match! lol However I think it wasent far that miller could not use a gi. But I heard Miller didnt want to seeing that sakuraba destroyed the gracies with catch wrestling. I would love to see them go at it in pure no gi grappling. I would still give the edge to rener cause thats all they train in. Miller is an amazing grappler but mma based.
b7r7u7c7e 4 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e This is definitely not the Gracie Challenge as this was purely a grappling match at the Gracie Academy in Torrance. Clearly you have no idea what the Gracie Challenge was. It was a no holds barred fight (of course strikes were allowed) that the Gracies put forth to challengers that wanted to test themselves against them.
laylalaylady 3 months ago
@laylalaylady Gracie challenge simply means taking on a Gracie family member. Notice there is no specification regarding how such a challenge is conducted, the example you contrive is simply a gracie challenge within a different set of rules. You commit the fallacy of composition: what is true for the part is entirely true for the whole. That is like saying most NBA players I have seen by in far are black, therefore NBA players are black, when in fact others exist. Clearly YOU have no idea
cocotiger77 3 months ago
@cocotiger77 There is no way you're seriously this ignorant and mindless, are you? Please do yourself a favor and look into what the Gracie Challenge was. I hate using wikipedia but you seem like you're so completely clueless about what it is that this might be a good starting point: en.wikipedia.(org)/wiki/Gracie_Challenge. Please look up information about what the Gracie Challenge is and feel that wave of stupidity and embarrassment fill your dense head.
laylalaylady 3 months ago 11
@laylalaylady So instead of writing what the Gracie challenge is (or copy from wiki since you obviously were there) you wrote a long-ass insult to a guy on the internet.. Who's the mindless and dense here?
Tonyklick 1 week ago
@Tonyklick Who's the mindless and dense what? Your inability to pose a coherent question shows that you're clearly the mindless one. Also, if you weren't so dense, you would've realized that the comment you replied to was directed to someone who replied to my comment that specifically stated what the Gracie Challenge was (in my own words). If your question was asking who the mindless and dense one is here then I think you've made it painfully clear that it's you.
laylalaylady 1 week ago
@laylalaylady I guess everyones mindless and dense except you.
You're blaming me for not looking into things before I write and then attack my english skills, not realizing my mother tounge is swedish. That was just as mindless of you.
Also my comment was about insulting someone and writing alot instead of just helping a guy who, you think, is mindless, dense, stupid and embarrassing. That's pretty freaking dense
Tonyklick 1 week ago
@MIT2004 no shit.. it was a grappling match you idiot lol
bigrock123 3 months ago
does anyone know what year this match was?
devina515 4 months ago
jason lost to judo
bummercal 4 months ago
didn't see that one coming'
comicbooklogic 4 months ago
wow he really worked that choke good, i didn't think he'd get it at first
undeadpresident 4 months ago
Not if you can't use it !!!!! Look , Gracie wrist to sleeve choke !!! Over if applied !!! Donkey!!!
Seawolfaka 4 months ago
in a bjj match non-gi will have major advantages over a gi because of succeptability to lapel chokes. the whole gi presents itself as a tool for gripping for the non gi fighter. that said miller had the upper hand here going with no gi going up against a gi fighter.
ACIDOCEAN1 4 months ago
@ACIDOCEAN1 lol I always laugh at people who think No-gi has advantages. No, I beg to differ... and I'm sure the other person will beg to differ when I have a unwrapped belt to choke them with. And they only have body parts.
Getting a gi choke is good, but if you are not used to using clothing to do submissions. That thought process doesnt' come naturally.
BlackShinobiShozoku 4 months ago
If the Gracie could wear a gi, Mayhem should have also been able to use a weapon like nun-chucks or a wicked bo staff
arreshavoc 4 months ago
Gis are for bitches.
MongoloidNigger 4 months ago
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That;s what happens when you don't know anything about gi work.
sclaysdharma 4 months ago
The gi's not really a restriction especially when the gracie's were wearing a gi at birth
crunkwun 5 months ago
@crunkwun
its a disadvantage to who your fighting ie a bjj or judo or sambo.
OVERCAPITALIZE 4 months ago
@OVERCAPITALIZE well the video is of a gracie practioner...so its not restricting for him...and thats what my comment is aimed at...not some other random bjj guy or a judoka
crunkwun 4 months ago
@crunkwun Gracies don't wear gi's. Actually it's the way their skin grows.
tapesyndrome 4 months ago
@tapesyndrome Royce gracie had a GI when he won the first 2 ever UFC Titels.............. and that is one of the gracie jujitsus first practisioners
arjonass85 4 months ago
what a load of shit
baffinjigger 5 months ago
Fuck miller
cakemma 5 months ago
@cakemma fuck u
basilone200 5 months ago
@basilone200 That's right bro. Come at him.
JHDIII1987 5 months ago
Frank Mir 3:19 actually!!
villagekid18 5 months ago
Frank Mir 2:19
villagekid18 5 months ago
Would be nice. If I always wore my Gi.
b1locat 5 months ago
WHAT A FUCKING JOKE. So Gracie has to use his Gi to choke him?! Nice cheat move Gracie.
seattle0002 5 months ago
@seattle0002 its harder with the gi dumb ass because the other person can use it to choke you and grab you easier.
Drewjitsu4 5 months ago
@Drewjitsu4 have you ever trained jiu jitsu? cuz gi helps a hell of a lot more than it hurts. go lay down
georgeryan09 5 months ago
@georgeryan09 Of course I have hence the name. The other persons own gi is used by the other person to choke them more commonly than you using your own gi. The gi also can be used to help the other person pass you guard. The gi just plainly allows your opponent to have extra grips on you when your grappling.
Drewjitsu4 5 months ago
@seattle0002 before you start saying someone is cheating you should probably learn the art before you start running your mouth.. there are more chokes you can do AGAINST the person wearing the gi then the other way around, mayhem had the advantage here
rloft123 5 months ago
@seattle0002 actually a gi is more of a restriction then an advantage
HCNguyen86 5 months ago
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@HCNguyen86 No no, that's not correct at all.
fatguyonthc 5 months ago
@HCNguyen86 It can be an advantage. Depends on who is wearing it, and who you're wearing it against.
DESERTFOXX252 4 months ago
@seattle0002 haha you're supposed to use the gi in BJJ you numptey.
B0l0joe 3 months ago
is that Frank Mir at 3:19?
ESCAPEDCONVICT01 5 months ago
no gi no choke BULLSHIT
ConanEdagowa 5 months ago
no gi no choke BULLSHIT
ConanEdagowa 5 months ago
Where are the bomb's? He didint even try.. What a loser!!
airheaded 5 months ago
what's the point of arguing? Badasses should just take the challenge. My first martial art was a very traditional jiujitsu from japan. I got assaulted once and was picked up thrown and mounted. I used an eye-gouge to submit the attacker without any permanent damage. Basic knowledge of positioning, posture and control on the ground was the only reason I was able to successfully use the eye gouge. It takes more knowledge and technique than it might appear.
jaws978 5 months ago
@IamHaddy
Training with a Gi has its advantages and dis advantages, however the point I continue to make and idiots like you continue to miss is that GI Chokes shouldnt not be allowed under competition settings. Wraping a Piece of clothing or a belt around someone's neck does not display awsome grappling ability. Its just shows desperation to get out of a seemingless dominated position...
AxelDuel 5 months ago
@AxelDuel
Again look up ADCC the most prestigious no gi grappling. All submissions are no gi, and look up who wins in every category. it's usually guys with a strong gi BJJ background. Look up marcelo garcia (BJJ) vs Mike van arsdale (wrestler) . Point is bjj works both with or without gi.It has good submissions under no gi rules and dominates the grapplling scene. Proof: ADCC . nuff said
autoinsurancenow 4 months ago
From the position Mayhem was in for that entire fight, he would have absolutely pounded Gracie out!
weninjason 5 months ago
@weninjason This was a sport Jiu Jitsu setting. In an MMA fight or street fight, how do you know that Rener would not modify his techniques to adapt to the situation? The whole focus of their style of Jiu Jitsu is to be effective in a real street fight as opposed to practicing the art as just a sport.
BandakaKush 5 months ago
@Centurion480
National and World grappling and MMA competitions do NOT allow Gi chokes in a competition setting, Many BBJ fighters only wear the Gi as tradition in the art. Try looking up the Rules for National and World MMA associations. Rener should know better and should be using his hands to win, not his cloths. His GI Choke proves hes a Bitch and needs to cheat to win.
AxelDuel 5 months ago
@AxelDuel
The point is u use what u can in a fight, and that's what rener did. If we fight and i knock u out with a beer bottle, does that make me a cheater? No, it's about survival. Now, it could've backfired on rener. Mayhem couldve used the gi to choke rener and control him w/ it too. In my opinion rener shouldve fought mayhem with no gi, or mayhem should've worn a gi to make it an apples to apples comparison.
autoinsurancenow 4 months ago
@everlg
Hence why I say the Gracie Challenge is Bullshit!! The Majority of National MMA and Grappling Competitions and Tournaments do NOT allow competitors to Choke out there opponents using there GI's because it is considered using a weapon against an Unarmed opponent and visa versa. Many BBJ fighters who wear the GI in like pride fighting or the UFC, strictly wear it for Tradition's Sake...
AxelDuel 5 months ago
@AxelDuel Yeah, that's why many mma fighters such as GSP has stated training with the gi helps him a lot with grappling techniques and overall reaction time
IamHaddy 5 months ago
@everlg
Bjj is a good basic form of ground game and grappling. But thats it, its not dominant in anyway and choking someone out with your Gi is just Lame and a desperate attempt to win a fight. You wanna prove your Grabbling is awsome, ACTUALLY GRAPPLE!!!! Im a brown belt in Krav-Maga and a Green in Gyu-ryu Karate, Rener isnt going to be able to lay a hand on me without getting his arms shuved up his ass first. My argument is Gi chokes shouldnt be allowed in a straight up grappling MATCH!
AxelDuel 5 months ago
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autoinsurancenow 4 months ago
@AxelDuel
Your statement "My argument is Gi chokes shouldnt be allowed in a straight up grappling MATCH!" -- check out ADCC or abu dhabi tournament. We do have no gi grapplign in BJJ. Example is ADCC where bjj comes out on top against other forms of grappling. It includes wrestling, sambo, judo and all other forms without the gi. All the champions are mostly BJJ guys that have a background in the gi. They use submissions without gi and beat other wrestlers. That should answer your concern.
autoinsurancenow 4 months ago
@truthiracy3 that's not true because gsp and Jake shields jake shields is like the best gjj fighter in mma and he got wooped and put out his element with superior striking
iconxinfamous 5 months ago
@iconxinfamous
jake shields is the best gjj in mma? according to who? i can think of about 10 people in mma with better ground skills than jake shields...
everlg 5 months ago
@everlg for example ronaldo souza
spinesplitter1990 5 months ago
@everlg yea what where are your facts jake shields was on like a 14 fight win streak and what u think got him there not his striking because his striking is on a 1st grade lvl so he did what he did best keeping ppl on the ground and he beat great fighters on top of that miller was one and he was only in top position for like a minute in one round and the rest was all sheilds so what are u saying
iconxinfamous 3 months ago
BJJ is great, but that gi shit is dumb. It's dumb to arbitrarilly declare what articles of clothing are acceptable to use to your advantage in a grappling match. Why not have a variation of the sport were a rope dangles from your pants like a tail which you can use to strangle your opponent? To me this is just as silly.
The question is, what Gracie wants to take on the Matt Hughes challenge before he completely retires? lol
xXTheRatXx 5 months ago
@xXTheRatXx Gi simulates clothing in a real fight.
Centurion480 5 months ago
@Centurion480 I guess so, but that's kind of a lame rationale beings in a real fight with no restrictions Mayham could have bitten his way out of that submission, lol.
I forget what the roman style of fighting was called; were there were no rules and fighters would eye gouge, grab testicals, bite, etc. My point is that we should distinguish between what should be allowed in a controlled grappling match vs. a fight. Obviously MMA is a controlled fight, so no biting is allowed.
xXTheRatXx 5 months ago
@Centurion480
this isnt a real fight, thats the point you Moron, Its a Grappling match, GRAPPLING!!!! meaning your Bare fucking hands dumb ass. If it was a real fight, Miller would be beating him down with punches and elbows!
AxelDuel 5 months ago
@AxelDuel lol i said simulate, my friend. SIMULATE. If you don't know what it means its ok, ill explain it more.
In martial arts, you practice combat. Simple. And you want it to be as applicable to reality as possible... and in reality we wear clothes. So.... the GI simulates clothes.
Rener chose to wear a Gi because he is used to street simulated grappling. Mayhem didn't wear one because he probably didn't want to risk being Gi choked.
Centurion480 5 months ago
@Centurion480
again your missing the point, your so horny to run in and fuck, that you miss the fucking pussy by a long shot!
Its a Grappling Match, meaning hands kid, not cloths, its a competition on whos Grappling is better. If you need to use your Gi to win, obviously your not good with your Hands. They dont allow GI Chokes in Vale Tudo, Pride fighting and even the UFC doesnt allow them. Because your gi is a WEAPON!!!! not your own physical body or prowless!
AxelDuel 5 months ago
@AxelDuel There is Gi and No-Gi grappling. This was clearly a choice match. Rener chose to wear his because he trains for realistic scenarios. This is not a difficult concept.
Centurion480 5 months ago
@Centurion480 My point was though that by that logic, why not make it even more of a realistic scenario and allow Mayhem to bite his way out of the submission? Obviously there have to be basic groundrules in a grappling match, so in my opinion using cloth as a weapon shouldn't be allowed. Otherwise, it's not a pure grappling match is it?
xXTheRatXx 5 months ago
@xXTheRatXx You don't bite because that leaves perminant damage. Same goes for fish hooking and goin shots. Its not a practical way to practice. There are certain elements of a street fight that cannot be simulated. Clothing, however, can be quite easily simulated. And "pure grappling" can be gi or no-gi. This was a choice match.
Centurion480 5 months ago
@Centurion480 When the romans practiced, they bit. haha
I see your point though. To me though, the point of competetive grappling and fighting is to remove as many variables as possible and see who is the victor. What good is simulating clothing if you can't simulate a potenially way more significant variable such as an oponent surprising you with a knife he pulled out of his pocket? "Pure grappling" as I define it does not involve any weapons other then your bare hands.
xXTheRatXx 5 months ago
@Centurion480
Again you keep missing the point, Its the GRACIE CHALLENGE!!! The challenege that the gracies pose on other fighters to prove there BJJ is the best in the world. However Grappling in its Basic competition is hand to hand, not Cloth to Hand get it? Obviously you dont because you keep rehashing the same bullshit!
AxelDuel 5 months ago
@AxelDuel They're out to prove that Gracie jiujitsu is the best in the world.... and gracie jiujitsu encompasses gi chokes.
I think you're the one not getting it....
Centurion480 5 months ago
@AxelDuel apparently you dont get it seeing as how traditional brazilian jiu jitsu uses the GI. i train at jorge gurgels gym and they teach 3 one hour no-gi classes every week M-Sat. thats it. the rest is gi only. good try though
schecterplayer123 5 months ago
@AxelDuel im not really sure if you or any of the dudes here bashing the gi has actually trained in grappling. the gi is more restrictive, it slows you down and forces you to use technique. The gi also allows your opponent to grip it instead of controlling via the wrists. So its not as easy as it seems to roll in a gi vs without. But what Rener did here, yes, I would say, without the gi, Mayhem would have had a better chance
toolfan92 5 months ago
@toolfan92
Ugh! Not bashing the Gi as a whole, the gi is a great wear and also good to fight in. What I am Saying is that You shouldnt be allowed to use your clothing such as your GI to wrap around your opponents neck and choke him out with it. That In any competition is considered using a weapon and you would be disqualified. This should have been a DQ as well Since they are both purely grappling each other with no strikes or any other methods of attack other then grappling. get the point?
AxelDuel 5 months ago
@AxelDuel i get your point, and i agree that gi chokes shouldnt be allowed in no-gi and no-gi vs gi comp. Gi comp, im neutral.
toolfan92 5 months ago
@AxelDuel
thus we have no gi tournaments for your so called pure hand to hand grappling. The rules are very open to all forms of grappling and doesnt restrict other grappling styles. For ex. judo competition has rules not favoring wrestler or BJJ guys to enter. Wrestling competition has rules that doesnt favor BJJ and judo players to enter. What ADCC did was to open up the rules so all forms of grappling can join. Sambo, judo, wrestling BJJ etc. for ex leglocks r ok to accommod8 sambo
autoinsurancenow 4 months ago
@AxelDuel You're right, that's another thing that's deceptive with these Gacie challenge matches against wrestlers. They point out that wresters are good at putting guys on there back and that BJJ guys are comfortable with grappling from their backs, but the big advantage of putting a guy on his back in a fight is being able to drop the bombs! That's why highly decorated wrestlers still for the most part dominate MMA. So these challenge matches are a deceptive to say the least.
xXTheRatXx 5 months ago
@xXTheRatXx I agree with you for the most part. However also bear in mind these decorated wrestlers are also good at submission defense, guys like Ben Henderson for example ruthlessly bash their opponents through GnP yet dont get submitted because of their sub defense. Guys like Sonnen..well he got subbed by Silva LOL
toolfan92 5 months ago
@toolfan92 Yea it's a shame that Sonnen ended up losing that after kicking Anderson's ass for over four rounds. The rematch cannot come sooner as far as I'm concerned!
xXTheRatXx 5 months ago
@xXTheRatXx
I completely Agree, finally someone who is not an idiot!
AxelDuel 5 months ago
@xXTheRatXx
i'm pretty sure roger gracie would beat the ever living shit out of matt hughes
everlg 5 months ago
that's awesome. gotta have respect for both those dudes
DroppinKnowledge69 5 months ago
@MrBladeCrash
Ugh! Ok Let me put it this way... BJJ uses 90% gi techniques, awsome, Your not gonna be wearing your GI outside of a dojo, you wouldnt wear it to the super market would you? So Yeah if the Gi version of the style makes up 90% of its offensiveness, Not gonna be any good when you dont have it. Also if you say thats his Guard, awsome, Ill just remove my leather belt and strap it around Reiner's neck and choke him till his eyes balls pop out of his skull. Now IM A BJJ MASTER!!
AxelDuel 6 months ago
@AxelDuel hahaha you're a fucking idiot and have obviously never trained bjj. btw rener gracie would take your belt and shove it up your ass haha
everlg 6 months ago
@everlg
Nah if Rener needs to use his Gi to win a Grappling match against someone who supposedly isnt a better wrestler then He is, then yea I think rener is gonna be in a heap of trouble wrestling me. See Im not cheap like he is cheating with his clothing, and I can squeeze a womping 800psi with my arms so, yea, it'll be like squeezing paste out of a tube.
AxelDuel 5 months ago
@AxelDuel
have you ever trainned bjj? i'm only a blue belt and i continually beat the shit out of bigger guys than me. i'm talking while sparring no-gi. imagine what a black belt like rener would do to you. mayhem is a black belt in bjj so rener had a tough time to choke him, against someone with little to no experience like you he would murder you with ease, regardless of how much you can squeeze
everlg 5 months ago
@AxelDuel um nogi jiu jitsu retard
MrJeff1838 5 months ago
@AxelDuel U, my friend happen to be wrong. jiu jutsu isn't 90% gi its both a self defence martial art and a sport.
imz47986 5 months ago
@imz47986
There is like 6 diffrent styles of Jiu Jutsu, from japan and brazil, so which are you reffering too?
AxelDuel 5 months ago
@MrBladeCrash
Garuntee you Renier couldnt beat Mayhem without having used his Gi to choke him out, he was in a submissive position the entire fight and had to resort to cheating with his Gi choke. inorder to win this seemingly hopeless fight. You are litterally defending cheating, theres an interview I saw of mayhem after the challenge and he says that the rules wernt explained and never realized that he could use his gi at anytime during the fight. Yea Real Tough the Gracies are!
AxelDuel 6 months ago
@AxelDuel This guy is obviously a troll. Nobody can possibly be this stupid and ignorant. If bjj is such bullshit, why dont you get a buddy, fly out to the gracie camp, sit outside the school and just fucking jump one of the gracies on camera. Since bjj is so useless you should have some great video footage of you choking renier out with your belt. Cause you know, looking down to unfasten your belt while grappling is a great fucking idea. You definently wouldnt get an arm wrapped up.
CyrustheVirus1234 5 months ago
@MrBladeCrash
OK Mayhem Miller does not use BJJ as a dominant stance style. This is American MMA vs BJJ, competition. The use of the Gi should not be allowed as a choking manuver because you are fighting an opponent thats not wearing one. The reason Mayhem didnt use Renier's GI against him is because he didnt know that was allowed in that Challenge. and ty for proving that BJJ is a Bullshit crap style, Your not gonna wear a GI everwhere you go and so learning to use it is just dumb.
AxelDuel 6 months ago