CCW: 2.26 Our Final Review of Final Crisis - Part One

[Hellride7]

im new to comics, as ive only read the knightfall series (which i loved).

but my question is, is the complete crisis story available in one book yet, and is this the story where it shows how batman died?

thanks

[comicculturewarrior]

There are TWO stories where Batman 'dies.' I'm the penultimate issue of 'Final Crisis' and at the end of 'Batman: R.I.P.' Both stories have been collected in trade, but it should be worth noting that FC happens AFTER R.I.P. making the whole storyline pretty inconsequential. He dies FOR REAL in 'Whatever Happened To the Cape Crusader' by Neil Gaiman (also in TPB) and this is a MUCH BETTER story than the other two.

Elliott

[Hellride7]

@comicculturewarrior

thanks for the reply

a guy from work GAVE ME 15 books for free which is nice (sword of azrael, cataclism,no mans land 1-5, contagion, dark victory,dark knight returns,dark knight strikes again,knightfall/quest/end and a few others).

ill have to look out for @what happend to the cape crusader", but right now i have r.i.p, battle for the cowel,and siege prelude being delivered soon.

is the collection what i have a good one to start off with?

thanks again

lee

[DannyPhantomBeast]

Good thing they DID fix it.

I read the hardcover.

[AintRealProductions]

Fix what?

[soundmonkey44]

Dan dido killed DC (there past 3 years have sucked!) In my openion (Thank goodness for Marvel IDW & Darkhorse)

[johnnyhorror92182]

Thank goodness for Marvel? Marvel blows for the most part!

[soundmonkey44]

I respect Your Openion, But I disagree, Marvel has been more down to earth this Decade & Done a LOT less to Contridict its continuity then DC, wich seems to Contridict past stories at every turn Not to mention DC's events like Amazons attack & Countdown were horribly written! all of Marvel's have been at least DECENT! & i think the fact that Marvel has Done better in sales this Decade is Proof enough.

[DamianRavenblood]

Superheroes in the DC U have finally acheived that mythological status with Final Crisis. The Marvel U has gone nowhere near that. Final Crisis is entirely about keeping the constant true mode of reality away from the borders of the fatalistic fallen (satanic) nihilistic idealogy of Darkseid and his lord Mandrakk. The New Gods aren't just metahumans, they really are the stuff of mythological Gods. DC version .

[kurumais]

what exactly did final crisis do for the DCU?

crisis on infinte earths made a cool new universe

infinite crisis brought back the multiverse

what did final crisis do?

[comicculturewarrior]

I think it gave some sort of order to the multiverse within the DCU, outside of everything being on 'parallel planes.' But what that order is, I've yet to figure out.

Anyone else?

Elliott

[johnnyhorror92182]

Well, the ramifications of Final Crisis haven't been fully explained yet, mainly due to the fact that it was so self-contained.

But, what I can tell you is that Final Crisis has gotten rid of the Monitors (who are now mortal humans now) and is the beginning of the fabled 5th World, which the New Gods believed Earth would become.

[fritzmatrix]

gotta agree with you k. I enjoyed crisis on ie,

no clue what was the point of Final crisis. only cool thing was the return of barry and still debating about how to feel about the death of batman.

[LordBifford]

The Omega Sanction - forced to live successively worse lives - feels overcomplicated. It sounds like "Who Is Donna Troy?"

Why couldn't they make it simpler, like disintegration beams that can kill absolutely anything?

[johnnyhorror92182]

Well, Morrison didn't create the Omega effect. The immortal Jack Kirby (who created the New Gods) created that whole idea.

The entire idea of the Omega Sanction/Beams sending a victimes' mind and soul to a different space & time wasn't really implied anymore, if not forgotten, and simply made a sort of "disintigration laser".

[LordBifford]

Still, I wish his Omega Beams were powerful enough to seriously hurt or kill a being like Superman. Right now he only seems to use it to disintegrate wretches who annoy him (eg Desaad).

[johnnyhorror92182]

Ok, yeah, i see where your coming from. But the only reason I can think of why the Omega Beams don't kill Superman is because, well, he's Superman! LoL

I've read comics where Darkseid blasts the Hell outta Superman, and, while it looks like it hurts him, it doesn't kill him.

So, I dunno?

[locusmortis]

I re-read the whole of FC again last night and Morrison even seemed to be writing in the style of Kirby somewhat. If you read the fourth world stuff or The Eternals, Kirby threw a million ideas into each story

I remember a story Mike Royer told of Kirby talking about a scene to him on the phone and when royer went to his house a few hours later to see the pencils the it was different, Jack had forgotten the scene and drew a completely different one with a whole different bunch of ideas.

[tringrad50]

I read Final Crisis 1-7. I'm still lost on one thing. ...WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO BATMAN!?!?!?

[comicculturewarrior]

Check out CCW episode 2.15 and 2.16 for our answer to that tringrad.

Jose

[locusmortis]

hey does Batman R.I.P stand for Rest in Prehistoric (times) ? ;P

[johnnyhorror92182]

Hi, tringrad50.

Batman is trapped somewhere in time/space after his fight with Darkseid.

The last page of Final Crisis #7 has Batman at the deathbed of an elderly Anthro the first boy, in the Stone Age. And Batman continues drawing New Gods symbols on the cave wall, that Anthro had begun.

[LordBifford]

Final Crisis gets better and better the more Internet explanations you read.

[comicculturewarrior]

LOL. Don't know if you're making a joke or not LordBifford, but you do have a point. I'll go back to my original - yet disjointed - analogy: if you've gotta explain a joke, it ain't funny.

Thanks for commenting!

Elliott

[Orionseid]

Jeez, I totally f'n agree. I mean, at the end Superman builds a wish machine? So that everyone can have a happy ending?? WTF???

[johnnyhorror92182]

The Miracle Machine was from the 31st Century. When Superman was trapped in the future with the Legion during "The Legion of Three Worlds", Brainiac 5 showed him the machine (which the Legion kept in lock up)

Superman used the machine to travel back in time to the Crisis. As Earth slipped into the abyss, and all reality followed. Superman rebuilt the Miracle Machine and used it to restore the Multi-Verse.

[comicculturewarrior]

See what I mean about the tie-ins then, Johnnyhorror? If you have to read an ancillary book to get such a vital plot-point, that's not right. In all fairness to readers, that should be included in the main series. And the friggin' LO3W mini hasn't even finished yet!

Sheesh.

Elliott

[dukealoops1993]

The one shot tie ins will be in the Final Crisis Companion which will come out in june

[johnnyhorror92182]

Yeah...I did start some sh** :)

You guys are correct when you say that it doesn't set up the new status quo. But I lay that blame on Didio and editorial. They didn't care enough to make "Death of the New Gods", "Countdown" & "Final Crisis" link together, like the stories did in "Infinite Crisis".

As for myself, I enjoyed what Morrison gave me. If you want a new status quo, you can surmise that Earth will be soon the home to the 5th World. Maybe that was supposed to be the original ending.

[comicculturewarrior]

That's OK Johnnyhorror, we won't kick you out of the club house...even thought you're obviously wrong and smell of old sweat socks.

JUST KIDDING!

Thanks for being a loyal viewer and making some great comments!

Elliott

[saar1707]

FC just show u the confusion DC in!

An entire company that rely on on series (GL) that mix a powerless human (batman) with super humans, their heroes look like shit nobody know what to do with them, and the stories are just crap!

So I say it again: if I were the DC administer I would do two more GL series make the GL the head of the DCU ( like marvel did with Iron Man) and that it (maybe kill 5-15 superheroes and replace them but I will leave that to someone else)!

By the way GL rocks!!!!!

[comicculturewarrior]

Gee saar, so do you like DC or not? I don't see why you can't just come out and say how you feel?

J/K!

Elliott

[saar1707]

I hate DC as a whole but I like GL and GLC

[Pinkhamsterino]

There's a post-Crisis interview with Grant Morrison where he shows a definite lack of humility. My favorite quote: "[Final Crisis] offers a full cosmology of higher dimensions, including our own, and an insight into the creative impulse of God, so its well worth the cover price, I like to think. Its filled with interesting and life-changing occult and philosophical secrets too and the more you read it, the more youll pick up on them." He also calls one scene he wrote "pure comics poetry."

[comicculturewarrior]

Where can I find this interview, Pink?

Elliott

[Pinkhamsterino]

The website with all of the exclusive Erik Larsen previews... Put the words "Grant Morrison" into their search engine and it's the first link. (The "exit interview.")

[comicculturewarrior]

OK, I found it, read it, and now have a headache.

I love it when I'm told the reason I don't like certain things in comics it's because I'm lazy and negative.

Elliott

[Pinkhamsterino]

Yep. I think Morrison must be reading the Comics board over at the Barbelith website and using that to gauge intelligent reaction to Final Crisis. There's not a single person in there saying it's anything less than a pinnacle achievement of the comics artform.