As recent as 1st March 2012, an independent analysis of Jones/Harret et al. Red/Gray Chips 'thermitic material' has been completed. Results to be printed in a peer viewed journal.
You can follow the discussion here - forums . randi . org/showthread . php?t=231314 (remove the spaces from around the . )
In summery; "there is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips" and are therefore not thermite or nano-thermite.
Wasn't Marvin Bush (Georges brother) put in charge of security at the WTC buildings 3 months or so before 9/11. Weren't there also all kinds of unusual emergency drills and evacuations leading up to 9/11?
@GeneralMayhem333 If you want to continue to spam this video with the same message I'll gladly block you.
As for your two points, quite simply, no, and no.
The Port Authorities was, and always had been in charge of security at the WTC complex.
There are no reports of any 'unusual' drills leading up to 9/11, and to insinuate that during these quick drills, men in black manage to sneak in and hide thermite all around the place is ridiculous.
@cjnewson88 When 911 happened, the first the any govt would do is to set up an enquiry as soon as possible. Bush took 435 days to do so! When he testified he refused to do under oath and none of his testimony was released. The 911 "independent" commission did not ask so many obvious questions and did not why the "fanatics" attacked. They stated the same silly reason Bush &Co were saying, that "they" hated our "freedom"! Why not then should be conspiracy theories prosper?
Watch the video entitled "can thermite of any type cut through steel beams?" I cannot believe that the pathetic thermite demonstration in the BBC documentary actually convinced these people, especially the ex-army guy.
00:20 "Unbelievably, there are many people who doubt the conclusions of the official investigation and want to believe the American government was in some way responsible for this tragic event. "
I don't see why that should be unbelievable. Also, we don't "want" to believe. We'd rather not. But we do want the truth.
1:04 "Personally, I'm certain as certain can be that the attacks were ordered by Osama bin Laden"
But no evidence. Another pawn. Starts out with his mind made up- the wrong way.
@Dulcimerea I've delt with truthers long enough to know the opening statement is spot on correct.
Truthers DO want to believe 9/11 was an inside job. They are not interested in the truth, they just want the right answer. Theres nothing wrong with asking questions, but they also need to recognise the answers. Rarely does this happen, and its because they Want to believe in a conspiracy no many how often you prove them wrong. Head over to the JREF 9/11 forum and see what I mean..
This is something all people should see, whoever this "thermite expert" in this video was, he was there to deliberately mislead. I could have cut through steel beams withthermite when I was 12 years old! watch?v=DonpXB6gjPA
on the establishment, which they ferociously, usually stealthily, fight to preserve, and when the lack of solid foundation is chipped away at by one of the most powerful forces in the world, shun, ridicule and turn on him during a crisis of belief and opinion.
This is to all, just things to think on.
It's getting ridiculous watching them not only tear "the movement" to shreds so easily, but continually see the unpleasable & thankless lot the majority truly are.
discredit dissenters, divide and conquer, etc. Then w/o an ounce of loyalty to a brother in the struggle, just write the person off as a giant scam from the get go. That's pretty easy and safe though.
It's counterintuitive not to have expected this, prepped each other, and been ready to deal with it as a united force. But instead of using all that combined awareness of their modus operandi, and their resources for this very thing, watch a brother take up the courage in attempting to take
the public at large is not capable of extraordinary reasoning and intellectual powers, able to discern the finest of details and employ a deep and profound overall comprehension of life in general.
What's more ironic is the same people who say govts can plan out, assist and aid operatives of the world of various types, prepare for then utilize all the events & effects of a 9/11 or 7/7, yet on the flip side when a leading figure is the subject, forget their tricks, strategies employed to discre
chosen to investigate were very weak & only viewed at specific, easy to combat angles.
The show is only about an hour, it's not as if they didn't custom edit exactly as they wanted to portray their target. I've seen people actually leave the side of darkness, cut off all ties and sincerely wholeheartedly begin to fight back, only to have the same past they escaped from be the single tool used to discredit them and claim they must be a super-agent.... There's few that can win in this game when
let the non-threatening little softy they chose to play host cause anyone to believe the entire event, especially CV as the main target, wouldn't have been coordinated by certain people with a vested interest in destroying respectability towards those who dissent and oppose the OV and discrediting the concepts behind the dissent. As well as picking off popular figures with certain psychological,emotional and behavioral traits and literally converting them over to their side.
Tbh, it merely reveals the guy was not strong in his understanding of crucial facts concerning 9/11. That he isnt, and never claimed to be a professional or skilled debater, and in all likelihood was targeted for being taken advantage of by the most powerful broadcasting corporation in the world serving the interests of governments including Britain and the UK as a whole, the USA and lsraeI. Isn't this what they do and are best at, "Public Perception Management"?
To people who have actually researched all the holes in the official story all this proved was that Veitch was a shill all along. For a brief summary, Al Qaida is run by the west, almost all the witnesses interviewed on tv reported explosions, WTC 7 collapsed at free fall speed, the Pentagon has no fire damage, intact lawn, no wreckage from a plane etc etc ad infinitum. Wishful thinking will no make the official story explain any of this.
@Stagnant197 if the official story has holes, the alternative theories have black holes. i, just like you and all other truthers have made my research and watched tens of hours of youtube truth videos (although i wouldn't call wtaching youtube a research). all their arguments (and everything you mentioned) can be explained in other ways and some arguments are simply wrong (like the different colors of the second plane etc).
@Stagnant197 i haven't met a clear cut evidence that would make me doubt. the starting assumption and the core of all these theories is that other explanations (official version) are wrong and made up by evil forces. that's not science, that's religion. we can go round and round like this forever, but i know i'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine.
@Stagnant197 You do know there are vidieos of them moving parts of the plane. There were lots of wreckage to sort through. Why does there have to be lawn damage to be plane. You would think an explosiong either by a plane or missle would do the same thing to the lawn so that makes no sense. The light poles along the tragectory were taken down and we too far apart to be hit by a missle...that is unless it had huge wing span.
If only the towers gave as much resistance as this Irish retard! I love the demo expert's opinion that the buildings "compressed"! BBC - This shit is insulting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok i can prove santa dont exist the fastest plan on the planet cant travel around the world in 7 hrs so a fat guy with 7 reindeer can? hahaha u british cock sucker i proved ur theory wrong and what about the other two building that wasnt even hit or had fire damage why did they fall
@MLGTroy1 Other two buildings? which other building are you referring other than 7? I mean, several buildings were totaled on 9/11 following the collapse of the towers, it's just not very often you hear truthers mention them as their occurrence tends to disprove truthers theories. Which other building are you referring to?
@cjnewson88 building 7 only had 3 office fires on the 5th floor i think and theres another building i forgot if it was related but if u go to.topdocumentaryfilms and click on 9/11 ull find one that talks about it. but how can the tt's fall on themselves when a taller sky scraper in japan burned for 23 hrs with the same fire temp and it didnt even weaken so how can ppl explain that
@MLGTroy1 I'm not going to get into that, the answers are there if you wish to make the effort to find them and learn them rather than asking questions on youtube. I was just curious as to this 2nd building you were talking about, but I guess you forgot. In total all wtc buildings were totaled on 9/11, Towers, 3 (Marriott hotel), 4, 5, 6 and 7. All from fire. I just wondered which of the others you were referring to, but never mind.
@MLGTroy1 edit: correction, wtc 3; Marriott hotel was totaled by falling debris, not fire. There is an excellent documentary on it if you want to look at it. watch?v=ROe3fyAZt_k
let me guess, you didn't change their minds but you woke up & they changed yours. All I needed to know is that they fell at free fall speed & in the exact same way even though they were struck in WAY different areas. Hit on the corner near the top & in the center half way up & they fell the EXACT same way...uh huh, sure- boom its then obvious they had a great deal of help coming down
This has completely avoided building seven and many other things, gives very brief explanations supporting and mostly rehearsing the official BULL and has actors and other official complete spineless cowards lined up in advance. The objective is merely to slow down a realisation and create sterotyped social charicters. I know it may not be obvious by my user name but im Irish AND I AM FUCKING DISCUSSTED WITH ANDREW MAXWELL and he will probably get his own tv show after this.
You know, this never happened to me before but I actually felt physically sick towards the end of this. When I discovered that 911 was a conspiricy and seen the other media propaganda, shock was something, but this, especially with the conversation about the phone calls. They had to have paid Charlie Veitch, he begins as someone with reason and fair enough doubting with the twin towers, BUT SHANKSVILLE, give me a break and he goes from against the story to explaining it within like, ten minutes.
anyone else accidentally smash the screen with their mind when charlie veitch comes on the screen?? god i hate that idiot. the irish git is pretty annoying too
anyone else accidentally smash the screen with their mind when charlie veitch comes on the screen?? god i hate that idiot. the irish git is pretty annoying too
anyone else accidentally smash the screen with their mind when charlie veitch comes on the screen. god i hate that idiot. the irish git is pretty annoying too
anyone else accidentally smash the screen with their mind when charlie veitch comes on the screen. god i hate that idiot. the irish git is pretty annoying too
The most pressing of questions is why there were no cats on board any of the planes? The wreckage accounted for shows zero evidence of toy mice, water bowls, feathers, or awkward shaped cardboard boxes. This is the most compelling reason to believe something untoward happened that day.
Hahaha.. the Truth, brought to you by the BBC. This is such a joke... and such poor acting, especially by "Charlotte" and "Veitch"... What silly theater.
@Viic88 Was allegedly found in the remains, of which none of the results were ever published in a respectable peer reviewed journal, and of which there has been much criticism from chemists and others in the science community that the remains were in fact primer paint, and iron spheres formed very naturally from the multiple sources at the site. Nevertheless, the remains are currently being retested by an independent non bias chemist to conclude exactly what the remains are.
@cjnewson88 not naturally but from acetylene torches , Every joint was bolted and welded, and when they cut the steel they used these torches while building the towers. That left the iron spheres. Then they were preserved by being sealed to the paint when they primed the steel joints.
@MegaYeshua33 That is a couple of sources for such spheres, and probably the more likely one. Acetylene touches were also used during clean up too. Fly Ash used in concrete also contains irons spheres, as well any small metal filings could easily become spheres in the heat. There is a video here on youtube where a guy makes iron spheres using steel wool and a bic lighter, so excess heat was definitely not required.
I don't care how many "experts" come on this, I still don't believe that a massive jet could just disappear. And If it was buried under the ground, why didn't they dig it up.
@CrimsonRonaldo Umm they did. How do you think they found the black box burried 40 feet so in the ground. The plane looks huge but it is filled with air and is not solid.
The part towards the end with that blonde woman talking made me really emotional. She is extremely brave to be able to speak with them and be so honest and open. I don't know how many people could do that and remain so calm in that circumstance. What an absolutely horrible thing to have to go through.
you are a blind ass fool who will believe anything the govt does is right incapable of injustices. Remember john f kenedy. king rfk. you fool pentagon no plane no seats no bodies huh are you stupid. you should at least say maybe you guys have a point.
@julieannbarratt lmao wow... you dont know me or what was said on this 9 day - 16hours filming per day... hell of a 'show'. save the judgement for ppl that care about your opinion.
This guy is a phoney and a Fraud. He is a obviouslly delusional or paid off by the CIA... eitherways, i feel bad that your stupidity was put on display for the whole world to see. 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. ANYONE WITH AN IQ OF 2 CAN SEE THAT !
one thing that really is interesting is that people like this so called comedian are so patronising, condescending, cretinous and dangerous even to society the way they attack anyone who has the sense to be alarmed at what is going on in broad daylighf right under our noses
have views but don't be a menace to others trying to alienate those who are not taken in by the report of the biggest terrorism act of recent times and who have a moral duty & right to be concerned and have their own opinion
anyone who thinks the loving world government would lie to us is a terrorist, should be tasered and sent for torture to be corrected
i mean don't you see that the illuminati and their media is working all hours trying to report the truth while all these traitor conspiracy nuts just cause trouble
the skull and bones and scottish rite are just organisations founded for the developement of fine men who will one day become illuminatus & bomb 3rd world countries with oil who have no rights...
just started watching this and will eventually watch compete...think it is interesting and a good presentation...will be anxious to see if any are convinced.
These guys are so damn fakey! And Charley is already exposed as a fake. I can't stop laughing at Charley! =]] "...and I'm feeling a bit guilty:", LOL! This is a pretty good comedy. "I thinks that nuts", ahahaha! "...well, there's been a lot of cut backs"! ahahahahhhhh! "there silly jigsaw" Now that is convincing! This is the best they can do?! Eggs and water balloons! I'm like laughing through this whole thing! This is like watching Sesame Street. But that guitar at the end almost got me.
@tntruther Watched it all...thought it was well done. Coulds feel the gut wrentching of the individuals as they were presented with some ideas that they did not want to accept. Thought Charley at the end said it well when he said it was hard to turn on ideas he had held. The blond girl was the most convinced that there was no truth in anything. When the guy said he saw pieces of plane and of stewardess's...she laughed and mocked the guy...she was not there to get truth. Overall...good.
@yikesoyikes1 Every "fact" presented in this 'documentary' is a lie... the British Brainwashing Corporation did their job in distorting and misrepresenting the truth as well as the actions and views of all the participants. The host is an absolute idiot, and he selectively presented shills who pushed the official govt. conspiracy theory and misled the participants and viewers with junk science. Get the real truth: /watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o /watch?v=jUGLp5TAVpQ /watch?v=K5CleTSDkq8
I don't have any elaborate theories on the events of 911 but there are many important questions that the commision report went to great lengths to avoid, so much so that many of the commission members themselves doubt the official story.
Watching this film's attempt to debunk technically complex theories (which I don't necessarily endorse) with childishly amature explanations only makes me more sceptical.
For instance the "expert" made no effort to show what thermite can do watch?v=LNOM_U5UM6Q
@TheManFromDystopia The thermite theory doesn't require a large amount of debunking. The only application which truthers agree on is that it was 'painted' on and burned, in which case it would not burn hot/long enough. When confronted with this, Jones (the father of thermite theories) retracted and said that the thermite chips were most likely just fuses for much larger explosives. Kinda funny, 5 years of work and he circled right back around to the 'hush-a-boom' theory.
"The only application which truthers agree on is that it was 'painted' on and burned"
Really? what is your definition of a "truther" and where is their manifesto of uniform beliefs so I can read it? because I kind of thought that people generally believe all kinds of different things. I don't have any theories and I don't endorse anybody elses my point was that the "expert" only demonstated how not to cut steel with thermite when it is demonstrably possible.
@TheManFromDystopia My original statement said "truthers seem to agree on" however I had to cut it down so I was below 500 characters. That statement was based on my experience in dealing with truthers, and the mainline belief being advocated by scholars for 9/11 (more specifically, Steven Jones). My point was that both your linked video and the test in this BBC video is irrelevant, as neither are based on any method being advocated by 9/11 truth.
I don't care who may or may not "advocate" a particular method of introducing thermite, thermate, or nano thermite, nobody knows how or if it was used that's what makes it a theory.
If I was to debunk the theory that an acetylene torch can cut through steel by not adding any oxygen and then say that since there wasn't a formal consensus that I use the oxygen it doesn't matter, I wouldn't be honestly debunking it would I?
@TheManFromDystopia sure but what relevance does that have? I have already stated that neither the video you link nor the test in this BBC video have any relevance, as neither of them 'could' have been the way it happened.
"you link nor the test in this BBC video have any relevance, as neither of them 'could' have been the way it happened."
You know how it happened? please tell.
I clearly demonstrated how disingenuous the "expert" was with his thermite demonstration and I demonstrated how I could use the same tactic to say that an acetylene torch can't cut through steel.
If you can't see the relevance then there's something wrong with your ability for logical reasoning.
@TheManFromDystopia Yes, I do know how it happened, and it had nothing to do with thermite. I know what you demonstrated, and I agree. What I am stating is that it is irrelevant, as neither this BBC video nor the one you linked could have been the method, nor is it the method advocated by the 'leaders' of 9/11 truth. They all believe it was 'painted' on, I guess because it seems more logistically possible than lugging large amounts of thermite and metal assemblies around..
Knowing something and "believing" something to be most rational, plausable or logical are not the same thing.
I don't presume to "know" what happened because I wasn't standing next to the structural beams when the 3 buildings collapsed, I don't even "believe" any particular theory to be correct. I do believe in the need for an honest investigation and that if an hypostasis is tested it's done in an honest way.
@TheManFromDystopia I don't pretend to believe something because it makes more sense to me over alternative theories. I know 9/11 was not an inside job. I know what the 9/11 truth movement really is, I know who its leaders are, their motives, their agendas, their constant dishonesty, half truths, fabrications, misquotes, willful ignorance and extreme paranoia. I have read the reports by NIST, and parts of the commission report. I know 9/11 was not an inside job.
Looking at your channel you claim to be a "debunker" but your debunking seems to involve labelling anyone who doubts the official version of events as "truthers" who all have the same (probably easiest to debunk) beliefs (how convenient) along with hidden "agendas" & "motives" & you know all this to be fact without offering any empirical evidence. You certainly tick all the boxes for being a paranoid conspiracy theorist.
@TheManFromDystopia Of course I am going to offer massive amounts of evidence in the small confines of 500 character.. The leaders of the 9/11 truth movement do have motives and agendas, thats not a theory, its pretty plain to see. As for your apparent 'sitting on the fence' you're ticking all the boxes of being a troll, and if not then you really need to actively start looking into this stuff instead of wasting my time here.
"you really need to actively start looking into this stuff"
You were still at school when I started "looking into this stuff"
"sitting on the fence"
Oh right, it's like a football team, I have to pick a side and cheerlead them on, that's certainly more scientific than plain old research, Goooo truthers/debunkers!!!!
I'm a "troll" because I don't fiollow your childish blinkered approach? You're sounding more like a stereotypical conspiracy theorist every time you speak.
@TheManFromDystopia wasn't the thermite demo to show that a pile of it wouldn't melt the steel, let alone it mixed with paint.There has been a good explanation of how the heat weakened the joists and allowed the floors to fall but like Charlotte...you will never believe anything . I thought the video did a good job of pointing out exactly what you are going thru rite now. Peace
@yikesoyikes1 Engineer John Cole was able to vertically cut a steel column with a smaller amount of thermite than what was used in the demo. Patents exist for thermite cutter charges and it is a fact that thermite has been used in building demolitions.
@yikesoyikes1 Furthermore, the material found by scientists at ground zero was NANOthermite, which can only be made in high-tech labs and has a much faster and hotter reaction that can cut through steel like butter. By the way, people predicted in advance who the 'thermite expert' in this documentary was going to be before it came out.
You've been trained very well how to think, haven't you.
Seen this ?
9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out
watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ
High-rise architects and structural engineers layout the evidence in the features of the destruction of these three high-rises that point inevitably to explosive controlled demolition.
@ewingsco Oh wow abuse for having an opinion, what a surprise, i didn't see that coming - not. I am more than capable of thinking for myself, i've seen all the evidence i need to and still have the same opinion because i choose to. I'm not going to believe something just to please someone. Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing. I suggest you get over it.
I'm sure you realise that 911 has been used to justify the ruin of millions of lives in the idiot 'war on terror' (yes the death toll is now in the millions), and the invasion and theft of 6 countries and counting.
But yeah you stick your head right back in the sand, genius.
@chefdevil22 why would the bbc possibly need to spread propaganda about 9/11? it was in the US and had little effect on britain anyway!! they have made shows about the conspiracy theories and this was the other side of the coin... they are IMPARTIAL!!!!!! FFS
So an armature pilot flew a jet from 35K+ ft. And then hit the side of the pentagon. Not a nose dive, he performed a banked turn and hit it straight on.
It is the weakest point of the official story.
Yet are people are busy talking about fucking thermite. Even Iraq war vets saw what was going on. Private contractors making profits from the war on terror.
Did those who stood to make the most money have apart in the 9/11 attacks?
@andyAAWW If that is the weakest point you should look into it a little better. First of all, Hani Hanjour was not an armature pilot. He had been training in the US since 1997, held a command instrument rated commercial pilot licence and had many hundreds of hours flight and large jet simulator experience. The attack itself began from straight and level flight around 8000ft, performed a steep but gradual descending turn and only full throttled near the very end watch?v=aP3EMnCx4yI
@cjnewson88 I don't want to get into a long back and forth. I have seen over 8 hours of back and forth documentaries.
George.W.Bush and Osama Bin laden, their dads where friends? One became leader of the free world and was shunned during his inauguration due to voting fraud. The other became leader of a major terrorist network. What a coinkidink the terrorist attacked the same day the military was performing drills. Kinda sounds like an inside job doesn't it?
@andyAAWW No, they were not friends. There are always military drills running, almost every day of every years. The fact there were some running on 9/11 is nothing unusual. According to military testimonies at the commission hearings the NORAD drills being run that morning actually aided in speeding up the response, not impeding it, which makes perfect sense.
@cjnewson88 You are just as bad as those no planes on 9/11 types. Your so black and white you probably think those comically large and intricate cave cities had biological weapons in them.
Mate go buy some freedom fries because we all know the french were such pussies for not wanting their troops to die. But hey keep up the good work I'm sure some tree hugging hippy will talk to you about voice modulation or some shit.
I better go check on those terrorist training camps in the outback...
@andyAAWW rofl typical conspiracy theorist. When facts fail, resort to a random gish gallop involving off topic rambling and personal insults. Winner..
@cjnewson88 No, they were not friends.<-- They were.
There are always military drills running, almost every day of every years.<--- That's false
The fact there were some running on 9/11 is nothing unusual. According to military testimonies at the commission hearings the NORAD drills being run that morning actually aided in speeding up the response, not impeding it,<--- Confusion and no way to contact the president left the pilots unable to make any counter attack
And most people fall for this conspiracy nut name calling type behaviour, which is a good indication of that persons intelligence that he/she thinks that such categorisation of events and people is valid in the search for truth.. Anyone able to think critically and not let anything but hard objective evidence effect their search for what is true can see that there are far too many anomalies, and the way in which BBC ridicule proves that it is controlled, this is all hidden behind...
this is all hidden behind a vale, they act like such a suggestion about 911 being an inside job is funny and crazy and this vale allows them to not treat the matter seriously and not go too deep into the evidence... Still we have no explanation for the molten metal at the bases of the 3 buildings weeks after, we have numerous people dying who had testifyable evidence and the NIST computer model for the collapse of wtc7 building never released. Hide behind your vale, grasp your secure world view
@crisisofconsciousnes No not really. I just look at people like Richard gage, and find huge gaping holes in there accounts of what happened, and in they're science.
And most people fall for this conspiracy nut name calling type behaviour, which is a good indication of that persons intelligence that he/she thinks get such categorisation of events and people is valid in the search for truth.. Anyone able to think critically and not let anything but hard objective evidence effect their search for what is true can see that there are far too many anomalies, and the way in which BBC ridicule proves that it is controlled, this is all hidden behind...
WTC7 building, which was avoided intentionally in this film is the smoking gun, that, and Barry Jennings who witnessed explosions within the WTC7 building prior to either of the towers collapsing. This program was a very cleverly put together program designed to sway opinion. The experiments were laughable and their sole intention was to make these people with questions look stupid in front of a stupid audience, it's a shame that a high majority of people have been dumbed down, hence this works
WTC7 building, which was avoided intentionally in this film is the smoking gun, that, and Barry Jennings who witnessed explosions within the WTC7 building prior to either of the towers collapsing.. This program was a very cleverly put together program designed to sway opinion. The experiments were laughable and there sole intention was to make these people with questions look stupid in front of a stupid audience, it's a shame that a high majority of people have been dumbed down, hence this works
@cjnewson88 Ya,because he realized it was Israel and the Mossad who did it.I'm well aware of the maker of loose change,it doesn't take away from the evidence in the film.Your point is as useful as this video.
@chrisreynoldsable Ok so if I made a film in which I 'proved' JFK was still alive, and then later came out public that I don't believe JFK was alive anymore, my film would still be valid? Loose change is invalidated by the fact Avery no longer believes anything he put in it. Not to mention it has been thoroughly debunked. In saying that, there was more convincing material for US Govt than Mossad, thats just retarded and ignorant; a typical 'its the jews fault' argument.
How DO the BBC get away with breathtaking garbage like this? I mostly watch 'Russia today' for news now, they ask the questions the western controlled media wont (but they are a bit licky about domestic Russian news)
"Do you think it would be more difficult to fly a Boeing type airplane?"
"it might be slightly more nerve racking but I would say it's very easy, especially as prior to this I hadn't had any knowledge about how to work this thing and I've been taught in less than an hour"
I thought this was a very interesting documentary. To me, it illustrates the mental processes of various die-hard conspiracy theorists, incapable of changing their mind of certain things in the face of overwhelming evidence that they're wrong.
Sorry, as although my comment may sound mad! I'm not. But the great majority of the Worlds population will ONLY BELIEVE what is happening in the World if it's on their TV or printed Media; and this is how so many are being foolishly "Led" in the "Wrong" Direction! If only the masses were to read: "Who Owns What!" on: wake-upbeforeitstoolate(dot)com they would soon realise how this one Parasitic group are taking US ALL for absolute "FOOLS!" But WE have ALL become "Happy" (BLINDED) "SHEEPLE!"
rodney is a cannabis addict, he didnt even pass uni,so hes a liar too.... this is all he can do to make a real difference (if thats what he calls it).... seriously mate stop doin that shit to urself, u got more potential than that and i i know u should be in a lab somewhere using ur potential...
I would love to watch the rest of this "Orchestrated and TOTALLY BIASED PROPAGANDA "BULL-SHIT!" Ask "YOURSELF!" "WHY" hasn't the JEWISH CONTROLLED "BBC!" had ALL the "PROFESSIONALS from ALL OVER THE "WORLD!" EXPLAINING the "FACTS!" THIS IS "HOW" THE JEWISH MEDIA "CONTROL" MASS OPINION! And "WE" BELIEVE IT! Because it was on OUR TV! "WAKE-UP!" Before YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH/OPINIONS HAVE BEEN TOTALLY DESTROYED!!
@einrib4truth hi mate dont get man get smart there are a few things that prove and i believe there is more to this than meets the eye but if this is what we see what are we missing?
IT'S TIME; To “Wake-UP!” Understand the ONLY REASON “WHY” the “TRUTH” is being Purposely Denied to the Worlds Masses through OUR MEDIA Outlets, and “WHO” Owns/Controls the WORLDS MEDIA! When WE can “Wake-UP!” and see that the Incredibly Biased “INFORMATION” is TOTALLY being CONTROLLED/FABRICATED by Jewish Individuals; then WE Will SEE “WHO” is Stealthily and Deceitfully Orchestrating The Whole-World-Wide DEMISE! “THEIR ONLY WEAPON of PROTECTION” is: “ANTI-SEMITISM!” “WAKE-UP!” “UNITE NOW!”
The jet fuel would of all burnt up within 15 minutes tops, and it may be able to get 'thin air' to reach those temperatures, but no way in hell is it possible for it to get the actual steel to reach those temperatures.. O no no it remained suspended in the air, hovering around the beams?? Absolute stupidity
They never explained the complete collapse of the three WTC buildings in the official report. It is impossible to scientifically explain the complete implosion without using explosives. Simple modelling will prove that, but they have continually refused to explain it because it is simply an impossibility. They even waited until all the steel was removed before allowing an investigation to start. This video is a babble of pure stupidity with no physical evidence explaining a damn thing whatsoever
If anybody wants to have another view of what happened on the day of 9/11, have a look at the film/documentary: Zeitgeist. Go to part 2 of the film if you just want to hear about 9/11, however the whole film is excellent. This film convinced me in what I believe and played a big part of me leaving the British Army. Nuff said about me. The BBC should show it if we live in a world of free choice. I'l let people make their own minds up.
@cheekydonnie if zeitgeist's film made you alter your life choices, then I am sorry but you are set for mass disappointment. Most conspiracy theorist ignore Zeigeist because it is based on mass inaccuracy and fiction, even for conspiracy theorist taste. Here is a link, a rebuttal, of each part. It takes a lot of reading, but very informative, and all referenced and sourced (unlike zeigiest) - conspiracies(dot)skepticproject(dot)com/articles/zeitgeist/ . I strongly suggest you read it.
@cjnewson88 Zeitgeist made me do research and I didn't like what I found out. Knowing the banking systems is enough to give anyone with a brain a clue to how the world works. The people who have the money, make the rules. "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
what a load of rubbish... talk about only putting one side across. what about the entry hole in the pentagon and the WTC7 building being reported as collapsed before it had in fact collapsed... and confirmed by the reporter??
@APBriggs2009 That .gif is misleading, the collapse occurred on the opposite side to where that video was filmed from, you can even see this on your link image down the bottom right, its collapsing at the same time. This video shows it collapsing almost simultaneously, watch?v=SCUbcmo9-kE, as well as this one showing a close up image of the exterior columns clearly failing watch?v=PQhq2ihqzn4
This is an interesting video, it's an interview with one of the "conspiracy theorists" from this "documentary". It's obvious that the video was heavily edited in order to fit a particular result but nice to hear it from those involved.
@APBriggs2009 hmm good find, its not surprising Woods turns out to be using false 'evidence', its a common practice in the truth business. There are the half dozen pictures above that of different stages of aluminum melting however, which clearly shows it glowing orange. However, as you have correctly pointing out, this source is somewhat unreliable. Let me find a better source for it.
@APBriggs2009 watch?v=A796N_YZTm8. Molten Aluminum, not silvery in color. It is possible for almost anything to glow when it heats up, Aluminum is no exception. This is due to the Draper point as a result of blackbody radiation. You can wiki these concepts.
snippet - "The Draper point is the approximate temperature above which almost all solid materials visibly glow as a result of blackbody radiation".
@cjnewson88 Substituting the Draper point into this equation produces a frequency of 46.9 terahertz—which is infrared, and largely invisible except for a dull red, at a small fraction of the peak intensity, that is visible to the human eye.
Thats from wikipedia too, I doubt you can use that phenomena to explain this one, more likely contaminants in with the aluminium. Even so the molten metal pouring down the side of the
Just a quick note for all.
As recent as 1st March 2012, an independent analysis of Jones/Harret et al. Red/Gray Chips 'thermitic material' has been completed. Results to be printed in a peer viewed journal.
You can follow the discussion here - forums . randi . org/showthread . php?t=231314 (remove the spaces from around the . )
In summery; "there is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips" and are therefore not thermite or nano-thermite.
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megamogx 1 day ago
Wasn't Marvin Bush (Georges brother) put in charge of security at the WTC buildings 3 months or so before 9/11. Weren't there also all kinds of unusual emergency drills and evacuations leading up to 9/11?
GeneralMayhem333 3 days ago
@GeneralMayhem333 If you want to continue to spam this video with the same message I'll gladly block you.
As for your two points, quite simply, no, and no.
The Port Authorities was, and always had been in charge of security at the WTC complex.
There are no reports of any 'unusual' drills leading up to 9/11, and to insinuate that during these quick drills, men in black manage to sneak in and hide thermite all around the place is ridiculous.
9/11 truth is dead.
cjnewson88 3 days ago
@cjnewson88 When 911 happened, the first the any govt would do is to set up an enquiry as soon as possible. Bush took 435 days to do so! When he testified he refused to do under oath and none of his testimony was released. The 911 "independent" commission did not ask so many obvious questions and did not why the "fanatics" attacked. They stated the same silly reason Bush &Co were saying, that "they" hated our "freedom"! Why not then should be conspiracy theories prosper?
MrSyfiah 8 hours ago
Watch the video entitled "can thermite of any type cut through steel beams?" I cannot believe that the pathetic thermite demonstration in the BBC documentary actually convinced these people, especially the ex-army guy.
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Author2ShedsJackson 3 days ago
00:20 "Unbelievably, there are many people who doubt the conclusions of the official investigation and want to believe the American government was in some way responsible for this tragic event. "
I don't see why that should be unbelievable. Also, we don't "want" to believe. We'd rather not. But we do want the truth.
1:04 "Personally, I'm certain as certain can be that the attacks were ordered by Osama bin Laden"
But no evidence. Another pawn. Starts out with his mind made up- the wrong way.
Dulcimerea 4 days ago
@Dulcimerea I've delt with truthers long enough to know the opening statement is spot on correct.
Truthers DO want to believe 9/11 was an inside job. They are not interested in the truth, they just want the right answer. Theres nothing wrong with asking questions, but they also need to recognise the answers. Rarely does this happen, and its because they Want to believe in a conspiracy no many how often you prove them wrong. Head over to the JREF 9/11 forum and see what I mean..
cjnewson88 4 days ago
This is something all people should see, whoever this "thermite expert" in this video was, he was there to deliberately mislead. I could have cut through steel beams withthermite when I was 12 years old! watch?v=DonpXB6gjPA
GeneralMayhem333 5 days ago
on the establishment, which they ferociously, usually stealthily, fight to preserve, and when the lack of solid foundation is chipped away at by one of the most powerful forces in the world, shun, ridicule and turn on him during a crisis of belief and opinion.
This is to all, just things to think on.
It's getting ridiculous watching them not only tear "the movement" to shreds so easily, but continually see the unpleasable & thankless lot the majority truly are.
Down w/ the NWO....yeah...
AbsitReverentiaVero 6 days ago
discredit dissenters, divide and conquer, etc. Then w/o an ounce of loyalty to a brother in the struggle, just write the person off as a giant scam from the get go. That's pretty easy and safe though.
It's counterintuitive not to have expected this, prepped each other, and been ready to deal with it as a united force. But instead of using all that combined awareness of their modus operandi, and their resources for this very thing, watch a brother take up the courage in attempting to take
AbsitReverentiaVero 6 days ago
the public at large is not capable of extraordinary reasoning and intellectual powers, able to discern the finest of details and employ a deep and profound overall comprehension of life in general.
What's more ironic is the same people who say govts can plan out, assist and aid operatives of the world of various types, prepare for then utilize all the events & effects of a 9/11 or 7/7, yet on the flip side when a leading figure is the subject, forget their tricks, strategies employed to discre
AbsitReverentiaVero 6 days ago
chosen to investigate were very weak & only viewed at specific, easy to combat angles.
The show is only about an hour, it's not as if they didn't custom edit exactly as they wanted to portray their target. I've seen people actually leave the side of darkness, cut off all ties and sincerely wholeheartedly begin to fight back, only to have the same past they escaped from be the single tool used to discredit them and claim they must be a super-agent.... There's few that can win in this game when
AbsitReverentiaVero 6 days ago
let the non-threatening little softy they chose to play host cause anyone to believe the entire event, especially CV as the main target, wouldn't have been coordinated by certain people with a vested interest in destroying respectability towards those who dissent and oppose the OV and discrediting the concepts behind the dissent. As well as picking off popular figures with certain psychological,emotional and behavioral traits and literally converting them over to their side.
That the elements
AbsitReverentiaVero 6 days ago
@stagnant197
Tbh, it merely reveals the guy was not strong in his understanding of crucial facts concerning 9/11. That he isnt, and never claimed to be a professional or skilled debater, and in all likelihood was targeted for being taken advantage of by the most powerful broadcasting corporation in the world serving the interests of governments including Britain and the UK as a whole, the USA and lsraeI. Isn't this what they do and are best at, "Public Perception Management"?
I wouldn't be f
AbsitReverentiaVero 6 days ago
what truthers need is to get out of their youtube world and speak to people.
bellijklh 1 week ago
@bellijklh Exactly!
cjnewson88 1 week ago
@bellijklh
To people who have actually researched all the holes in the official story all this proved was that Veitch was a shill all along. For a brief summary, Al Qaida is run by the west, almost all the witnesses interviewed on tv reported explosions, WTC 7 collapsed at free fall speed, the Pentagon has no fire damage, intact lawn, no wreckage from a plane etc etc ad infinitum. Wishful thinking will no make the official story explain any of this.
Stagnant197 6 days ago
@Stagnant197 if the official story has holes, the alternative theories have black holes. i, just like you and all other truthers have made my research and watched tens of hours of youtube truth videos (although i wouldn't call wtaching youtube a research). all their arguments (and everything you mentioned) can be explained in other ways and some arguments are simply wrong (like the different colors of the second plane etc).
bellijklh 6 days ago
@Stagnant197 i haven't met a clear cut evidence that would make me doubt. the starting assumption and the core of all these theories is that other explanations (official version) are wrong and made up by evil forces. that's not science, that's religion. we can go round and round like this forever, but i know i'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine.
bellijklh 6 days ago
@Stagnant197 You do know there are vidieos of them moving parts of the plane. There were lots of wreckage to sort through. Why does there have to be lawn damage to be plane. You would think an explosiong either by a plane or missle would do the same thing to the lawn so that makes no sense. The light poles along the tragectory were taken down and we too far apart to be hit by a missle...that is unless it had huge wing span.
BPanther69 2 days ago
... Pentagon attack setup.
jhodgski 1 week ago
Shame they never spoke to any of the witnesses that experienced explosions at WTC before a plane even struck.
Shame they never dealt with WTC 7's collapse.
Shame they never mentioned the amazing performance of the unskilled pilot who performed the near impossible manoeuvre to fly into the Pentagon.
Shame they didn't interview any of the witnesses who saw the Pentagon plane take an entirely different route.
Shame they didn't show the Lloyd England footage where he admits being part of the
jhodgski 1 week ago
38:45 He says about the conspiracy theorists, "They have an end goal and then they fit their silly jigsaw to make it fit."
But he's a hypocrite cos the silliest jigsaw is the ludicrous official story.
jhodgski 1 week ago
should have been entitled 911 children's conspiracy road trip.
i feel sorry for charlotte's boyfriend (or girlfriend)
antman464 1 week ago
If only the towers gave as much resistance as this Irish retard! I love the demo expert's opinion that the buildings "compressed"! BBC - This shit is insulting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sebrussell79 1 week ago
ok i can prove santa dont exist the fastest plan on the planet cant travel around the world in 7 hrs so a fat guy with 7 reindeer can? hahaha u british cock sucker i proved ur theory wrong and what about the other two building that wasnt even hit or had fire damage why did they fall
MLGTroy1 2 weeks ago
@MLGTroy1 Other two buildings? which other building are you referring other than 7? I mean, several buildings were totaled on 9/11 following the collapse of the towers, it's just not very often you hear truthers mention them as their occurrence tends to disprove truthers theories. Which other building are you referring to?
cjnewson88 2 weeks ago
@cjnewson88 building 7 only had 3 office fires on the 5th floor i think and theres another building i forgot if it was related but if u go to.topdocumentaryfilms and click on 9/11 ull find one that talks about it. but how can the tt's fall on themselves when a taller sky scraper in japan burned for 23 hrs with the same fire temp and it didnt even weaken so how can ppl explain that
MLGTroy1 1 week ago
@MLGTroy1 I'm not going to get into that, the answers are there if you wish to make the effort to find them and learn them rather than asking questions on youtube. I was just curious as to this 2nd building you were talking about, but I guess you forgot. In total all wtc buildings were totaled on 9/11, Towers, 3 (Marriott hotel), 4, 5, 6 and 7. All from fire. I just wondered which of the others you were referring to, but never mind.
cjnewson88 1 week ago
@MLGTroy1 edit: correction, wtc 3; Marriott hotel was totaled by falling debris, not fire. There is an excellent documentary on it if you want to look at it. watch?v=ROe3fyAZt_k
cjnewson88 1 week ago
@MLGTroy1 Santa has Maigc...don't you know nothing.
BPanther69 2 days ago
stupid .. what a moron. a fucking roadtrip?
bryanchance100 2 weeks ago
let me guess, you didn't change their minds but you woke up & they changed yours. All I needed to know is that they fell at free fall speed & in the exact same way even though they were struck in WAY different areas. Hit on the corner near the top & in the center half way up & they fell the EXACT same way...uh huh, sure- boom its then obvious they had a great deal of help coming down
Ac1DGoD 2 weeks ago
This has completely avoided building seven and many other things, gives very brief explanations supporting and mostly rehearsing the official BULL and has actors and other official complete spineless cowards lined up in advance. The objective is merely to slow down a realisation and create sterotyped social charicters. I know it may not be obvious by my user name but im Irish AND I AM FUCKING DISCUSSTED WITH ANDREW MAXWELL and he will probably get his own tv show after this.
DSPGermanRussian 2 weeks ago
You know, this never happened to me before but I actually felt physically sick towards the end of this. When I discovered that 911 was a conspiricy and seen the other media propaganda, shock was something, but this, especially with the conversation about the phone calls. They had to have paid Charlie Veitch, he begins as someone with reason and fair enough doubting with the twin towers, BUT SHANKSVILLE, give me a break and he goes from against the story to explaining it within like, ten minutes.
DSPGermanRussian 2 weeks ago
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popdiva123 2 weeks ago
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anyone else accidentally smash the screen with their mind when charlie veitch comes on the screen?? god i hate that idiot. the irish git is pretty annoying too
HarryLoveTV 2 weeks ago
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anyone else accidentally smash the screen with their mind when charlie veitch comes on the screen?? god i hate that idiot. the irish git is pretty annoying too
HarryLoveTV 2 weeks ago
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anyone else accidentally smash the screen with their mind when charlie veitch comes on the screen. god i hate that idiot. the irish git is pretty annoying too
HarryLoveTV 2 weeks ago
anyone else accidentally smash the screen with their mind when charlie veitch comes on the screen. god i hate that idiot. the irish git is pretty annoying too
HarryLoveTV 2 weeks ago
The most pressing of questions is why there were no cats on board any of the planes? The wreckage accounted for shows zero evidence of toy mice, water bowls, feathers, or awkward shaped cardboard boxes. This is the most compelling reason to believe something untoward happened that day.
deanimate 2 weeks ago
this is a waste of time, just ask why building 7 fell down and how did the BBC report it before it happened
maurikid23 3 weeks ago
<3 Charlotte
MrRalf012 3 weeks ago
Hahaha.. the Truth, brought to you by the BBC. This is such a joke... and such poor acting, especially by "Charlotte" and "Veitch"... What silly theater.
LifePsyop 3 weeks ago 4
@Viic88 Was allegedly found in the remains, of which none of the results were ever published in a respectable peer reviewed journal, and of which there has been much criticism from chemists and others in the science community that the remains were in fact primer paint, and iron spheres formed very naturally from the multiple sources at the site. Nevertheless, the remains are currently being retested by an independent non bias chemist to conclude exactly what the remains are.
cjnewson88 1 month ago
@cjnewson88 not naturally but from acetylene torches , Every joint was bolted and welded, and when they cut the steel they used these torches while building the towers. That left the iron spheres. Then they were preserved by being sealed to the paint when they primed the steel joints.
MegaYeshua33 1 month ago
@MegaYeshua33 That is a couple of sources for such spheres, and probably the more likely one. Acetylene touches were also used during clean up too. Fly Ash used in concrete also contains irons spheres, as well any small metal filings could easily become spheres in the heat. There is a video here on youtube where a guy makes iron spheres using steel wool and a bic lighter, so excess heat was definitely not required.
cjnewson88 1 month ago
I don't care how many "experts" come on this, I still don't believe that a massive jet could just disappear. And If it was buried under the ground, why didn't they dig it up.
CrimsonRonaldo 1 month ago 2
@CrimsonRonaldo They did.. 95% of it. They found the black box 20feet under the surface..
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cjnewson88 1 month ago
@CrimsonRonaldo Umm they did. How do you think they found the black box burried 40 feet so in the ground. The plane looks huge but it is filled with air and is not solid.
BPanther69 2 days ago
veitch u act a twat in this video but i still like you 9/11 was an inside job
DrJepsonx 1 month ago
Real journalism would involve asking questions not dickriding the official story and attacking people who don't agree with it with strawmans.
MacDaggerson 1 month ago 2
You can tell it's propaganda when the BBC makes it.
MacDaggerson 1 month ago
The part towards the end with that blonde woman talking made me really emotional. She is extremely brave to be able to speak with them and be so honest and open. I don't know how many people could do that and remain so calm in that circumstance. What an absolutely horrible thing to have to go through.
spishcadet 1 month ago
the illuminati did it
ugod987 1 month ago
the pilot works for the conspirators also this is a film paid for by the inside men
ugod987 1 month ago
i bet and I bet you work for them the ones who perpertrated these crimes
ugod987 1 month ago
you are a blind ass fool who will believe anything the govt does is right incapable of injustices. Remember john f kenedy. king rfk. you fool pentagon no plane no seats no bodies huh are you stupid. you should at least say maybe you guys have a point.
ugod987 1 month ago
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ewingsco 1 month ago
2973 people !! what about millions of dead civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan !! didn't they have children, didn't they want peace ???
Nothing justifies war .................
joship08 1 month ago
This documentary ...No i won't call it that way. This movie is funny. And of course, it's a movie. The reality and the truth are somewhere else.
movzhepok 1 month ago
i hate charlotte scott hayes_ she is a simpleton! I wish she'd go to afganistan and have a real chat with a terrorist or two!!!!
julieannbarratt 1 month ago
@julieannbarratt lmao wow... you dont know me or what was said on this 9 day - 16hours filming per day... hell of a 'show'. save the judgement for ppl that care about your opinion.
charliefoxx81 1 month ago
This guy is a phoney and a Fraud. He is a obviouslly delusional or paid off by the CIA... eitherways, i feel bad that your stupidity was put on display for the whole world to see. 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. ANYONE WITH AN IQ OF 2 CAN SEE THAT !
Construuct 1 month ago
one thing that really is interesting is that people like this so called comedian are so patronising, condescending, cretinous and dangerous even to society the way they attack anyone who has the sense to be alarmed at what is going on in broad daylighf right under our noses
have views but don't be a menace to others trying to alienate those who are not taken in by the report of the biggest terrorism act of recent times and who have a moral duty & right to be concerned and have their own opinion
areyoufelson 1 month ago
how dare they question the nwo aka illuminati version?
areyoufelson 1 month ago
anyone who thinks the loving world government would lie to us is a terrorist, should be tasered and sent for torture to be corrected
i mean don't you see that the illuminati and their media is working all hours trying to report the truth while all these traitor conspiracy nuts just cause trouble
the skull and bones and scottish rite are just organisations founded for the developement of fine men who will one day become illuminatus & bomb 3rd world countries with oil who have no rights...
areyoufelson 1 month ago
He's a feekin Comedian alright!
FirebrandNIRE 1 month ago
just started watching this and will eventually watch compete...think it is interesting and a good presentation...will be anxious to see if any are convinced.
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tntruther 2 months ago
@tntruther Watched it all...thought it was well done. Coulds feel the gut wrentching of the individuals as they were presented with some ideas that they did not want to accept. Thought Charley at the end said it well when he said it was hard to turn on ideas he had held. The blond girl was the most convinced that there was no truth in anything. When the guy said he saw pieces of plane and of stewardess's...she laughed and mocked the guy...she was not there to get truth. Overall...good.
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@yikesoyikes1 Every "fact" presented in this 'documentary' is a lie... the British Brainwashing Corporation did their job in distorting and misrepresenting the truth as well as the actions and views of all the participants. The host is an absolute idiot, and he selectively presented shills who pushed the official govt. conspiracy theory and misled the participants and viewers with junk science. Get the real truth: /watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o /watch?v=jUGLp5TAVpQ /watch?v=K5CleTSDkq8
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Hes a shit comedian
Ahrs32 2 months ago
I watched this steaming pile of horse last night.
WTC 7 ? Not mentioned once.
80 + cameras that should have filmed the pentagon crash ? Not mentioned once.
-exterior- hole in the Pentagon ? Not mentioned once.
( focusing instead on the interior 'punchout hole' )
... and I've never wanted to see an ego driven little sellout maggot tv presenter (Andrew, someone) disappear under a passing bus so much in my life.
& I keep waiting for the participants to one-by-one be voted off the bus.
ewingsco 2 months ago
@ewingsco you and charlotte should go make beautiful deluded babies together!
julieannbarratt 1 month ago
@julieannbarratt
And you should do some damn research
9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out
watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ
So you don't look so deluded yourself.
(By the way, you don't have Charlottes celly number do you ?)
ewingsco 1 month ago
@ewingsco why do you wanna call lil ol me for? =) how can i help? (Charlotte)
charliefoxx81 1 month ago
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ewingsco 1 month ago
I don't have any elaborate theories on the events of 911 but there are many important questions that the commision report went to great lengths to avoid, so much so that many of the commission members themselves doubt the official story.
Watching this film's attempt to debunk technically complex theories (which I don't necessarily endorse) with childishly amature explanations only makes me more sceptical.
For instance the "expert" made no effort to show what thermite can do watch?v=LNOM_U5UM6Q
TheManFromDystopia 2 months ago
@TheManFromDystopia The thermite theory doesn't require a large amount of debunking. The only application which truthers agree on is that it was 'painted' on and burned, in which case it would not burn hot/long enough. When confronted with this, Jones (the father of thermite theories) retracted and said that the thermite chips were most likely just fuses for much larger explosives. Kinda funny, 5 years of work and he circled right back around to the 'hush-a-boom' theory.
cjnewson88 2 months ago
@cjnewson88
"The only application which truthers agree on is that it was 'painted' on and burned"
Really? what is your definition of a "truther" and where is their manifesto of uniform beliefs so I can read it? because I kind of thought that people generally believe all kinds of different things. I don't have any theories and I don't endorse anybody elses my point was that the "expert" only demonstated how not to cut steel with thermite when it is demonstrably possible.
TheManFromDystopia 2 months ago
@TheManFromDystopia My original statement said "truthers seem to agree on" however I had to cut it down so I was below 500 characters. That statement was based on my experience in dealing with truthers, and the mainline belief being advocated by scholars for 9/11 (more specifically, Steven Jones). My point was that both your linked video and the test in this BBC video is irrelevant, as neither are based on any method being advocated by 9/11 truth.
cjnewson88 2 months ago
@cjnewson88
I don't care who may or may not "advocate" a particular method of introducing thermite, thermate, or nano thermite, nobody knows how or if it was used that's what makes it a theory.
If I was to debunk the theory that an acetylene torch can cut through steel by not adding any oxygen and then say that since there wasn't a formal consensus that I use the oxygen it doesn't matter, I wouldn't be honestly debunking it would I?
TheManFromDystopia 2 months ago
@TheManFromDystopia sure but what relevance does that have? I have already stated that neither the video you link nor the test in this BBC video have any relevance, as neither of them 'could' have been the way it happened.
cjnewson88 2 months ago
@cjnewson88
"you link nor the test in this BBC video have any relevance, as neither of them 'could' have been the way it happened."
You know how it happened? please tell.
I clearly demonstrated how disingenuous the "expert" was with his thermite demonstration and I demonstrated how I could use the same tactic to say that an acetylene torch can't cut through steel.
If you can't see the relevance then there's something wrong with your ability for logical reasoning.
TheManFromDystopia 2 months ago
@TheManFromDystopia Yes, I do know how it happened, and it had nothing to do with thermite. I know what you demonstrated, and I agree. What I am stating is that it is irrelevant, as neither this BBC video nor the one you linked could have been the method, nor is it the method advocated by the 'leaders' of 9/11 truth. They all believe it was 'painted' on, I guess because it seems more logistically possible than lugging large amounts of thermite and metal assemblies around..
cjnewson88 2 months ago
@cjnewson88
"Yes, I do know how it happened"
Knowing something and "believing" something to be most rational, plausable or logical are not the same thing.
I don't presume to "know" what happened because I wasn't standing next to the structural beams when the 3 buildings collapsed, I don't even "believe" any particular theory to be correct. I do believe in the need for an honest investigation and that if an hypostasis is tested it's done in an honest way.
TheManFromDystopia 2 months ago
@TheManFromDystopia I don't pretend to believe something because it makes more sense to me over alternative theories. I know 9/11 was not an inside job. I know what the 9/11 truth movement really is, I know who its leaders are, their motives, their agendas, their constant dishonesty, half truths, fabrications, misquotes, willful ignorance and extreme paranoia. I have read the reports by NIST, and parts of the commission report. I know 9/11 was not an inside job.
cjnewson88 2 months ago
@cjnewson88
Wow, "motives, agendas" you sure sound paranoid.
Looking at your channel you claim to be a "debunker" but your debunking seems to involve labelling anyone who doubts the official version of events as "truthers" who all have the same (probably easiest to debunk) beliefs (how convenient) along with hidden "agendas" & "motives" & you know all this to be fact without offering any empirical evidence. You certainly tick all the boxes for being a paranoid conspiracy theorist.
TheManFromDystopia 2 months ago
@TheManFromDystopia Of course I am going to offer massive amounts of evidence in the small confines of 500 character.. The leaders of the 9/11 truth movement do have motives and agendas, thats not a theory, its pretty plain to see. As for your apparent 'sitting on the fence' you're ticking all the boxes of being a troll, and if not then you really need to actively start looking into this stuff instead of wasting my time here.
cjnewson88 2 months ago
@cjnewson88
"you really need to actively start looking into this stuff"
You were still at school when I started "looking into this stuff"
"sitting on the fence"
Oh right, it's like a football team, I have to pick a side and cheerlead them on, that's certainly more scientific than plain old research, Goooo truthers/debunkers!!!!
I'm a "troll" because I don't fiollow your childish blinkered approach? You're sounding more like a stereotypical conspiracy theorist every time you speak.
TheManFromDystopia 2 months ago
@TheManFromDystopia obvious troll is obvious
cjnewson88 2 months ago
@cjnewson88
Shows what you know ...
watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ
ewingsco 2 months ago
@TheManFromDystopia wasn't the thermite demo to show that a pile of it wouldn't melt the steel, let alone it mixed with paint.There has been a good explanation of how the heat weakened the joists and allowed the floors to fall but like Charlotte...you will never believe anything . I thought the video did a good job of pointing out exactly what you are going thru rite now. Peace
yikesoyikes1 2 months ago
@yikesoyikes1 Engineer John Cole was able to vertically cut a steel column with a smaller amount of thermite than what was used in the demo. Patents exist for thermite cutter charges and it is a fact that thermite has been used in building demolitions.
ichigo73186 1 month ago
@yikesoyikes1 Furthermore, the material found by scientists at ground zero was NANOthermite, which can only be made in high-tech labs and has a much faster and hotter reaction that can cut through steel like butter. By the way, people predicted in advance who the 'thermite expert' in this documentary was going to be before it came out.
ichigo73186 1 month ago
That bloke's right, these people who believe the conspiracy theories are child-like and gulible.
jss1886 2 months ago
@jss1886
You've been trained very well how to think, haven't you.
Seen this ?
9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out
watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ
High-rise architects and structural engineers layout the evidence in the features of the destruction of these three high-rises that point inevitably to explosive controlled demolition.
None of them seem 'childlike and gullible' to me.
School yourself, will you ?
We are sick of waiting for you.
ewingsco 2 months ago
@ewingsco Oh wow abuse for having an opinion, what a surprise, i didn't see that coming - not. I am more than capable of thinking for myself, i've seen all the evidence i need to and still have the same opinion because i choose to. I'm not going to believe something just to please someone. Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing. I suggest you get over it.
You're sick of waiting for me? Tough shit!!
jss1886 2 months ago
@jss1886
I'm sure you realise that 911 has been used to justify the ruin of millions of lives in the idiot 'war on terror' (yes the death toll is now in the millions), and the invasion and theft of 6 countries and counting.
But yeah you stick your head right back in the sand, genius.
If we need you we'll call you.
(we won't)
watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ
ewingsco 2 months ago
'Charlie Vietch sold out the truth movement!! BAW!' Don't worry truthtards, he's still a major idiot, so you still have a lot in common.
911sausageman 2 months ago
FUCKING DISINFORMATION BBC PROPAGANDA
chefdevil22 2 months ago
@chefdevil22 why would the bbc possibly need to spread propaganda about 9/11? it was in the US and had little effect on britain anyway!! they have made shows about the conspiracy theories and this was the other side of the coin... they are IMPARTIAL!!!!!! FFS
FlamingCushion 2 months ago
you are all just bloody stupid!!! there is no conspiracy!!!!!
FlamingCushion 2 months ago
If you listen carefully you can hear the pilot asking "If I let you land the plane will you trust the government?"
Xtramentalstencilist 2 months ago
So an armature pilot flew a jet from 35K+ ft. And then hit the side of the pentagon. Not a nose dive, he performed a banked turn and hit it straight on.
It is the weakest point of the official story.
Yet are people are busy talking about fucking thermite. Even Iraq war vets saw what was going on. Private contractors making profits from the war on terror.
Did those who stood to make the most money have apart in the 9/11 attacks?
I think so.
andyAAWW 2 months ago
@andyAAWW If that is the weakest point you should look into it a little better. First of all, Hani Hanjour was not an armature pilot. He had been training in the US since 1997, held a command instrument rated commercial pilot licence and had many hundreds of hours flight and large jet simulator experience. The attack itself began from straight and level flight around 8000ft, performed a steep but gradual descending turn and only full throttled near the very end watch?v=aP3EMnCx4yI
cjnewson88 2 months ago
@cjnewson88 I don't want to get into a long back and forth. I have seen over 8 hours of back and forth documentaries.
George.W.Bush and Osama Bin laden, their dads where friends? One became leader of the free world and was shunned during his inauguration due to voting fraud. The other became leader of a major terrorist network. What a coinkidink the terrorist attacked the same day the military was performing drills. Kinda sounds like an inside job doesn't it?
andyAAWW 2 months ago
@andyAAWW No, they were not friends. There are always military drills running, almost every day of every years. The fact there were some running on 9/11 is nothing unusual. According to military testimonies at the commission hearings the NORAD drills being run that morning actually aided in speeding up the response, not impeding it, which makes perfect sense.
cjnewson88 2 months ago
@cjnewson88 You are just as bad as those no planes on 9/11 types. Your so black and white you probably think those comically large and intricate cave cities had biological weapons in them.
Mate go buy some freedom fries because we all know the french were such pussies for not wanting their troops to die. But hey keep up the good work I'm sure some tree hugging hippy will talk to you about voice modulation or some shit.
I better go check on those terrorist training camps in the outback...
andyAAWW 2 months ago
@andyAAWW rofl typical conspiracy theorist. When facts fail, resort to a random gish gallop involving off topic rambling and personal insults. Winner..
cjnewson88 2 months ago
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@cjnewson88 No, they were not friends.<-- They were.
There are always military drills running, almost every day of every years.<--- That's false
The fact there were some running on 9/11 is nothing unusual. According to military testimonies at the commission hearings the NORAD drills being run that morning actually aided in speeding up the response, not impeding it,<--- Confusion and no way to contact the president left the pilots unable to make any counter attack
Keep up the good work.
andyAAWW 2 months ago
BBC-
NO.
breakit46 2 months ago
....
I stand proudly with AE(911)TRUTH
The BBC continue exploiting the poor through the licence fee.
Outrageous that we sheep in the UK still pay the fee without question.
In return we get force fed crap like this, take note of the programmes producer.
breakit46 2 months ago
@breakit46 Your and AE911truth sheep?
MegaYeshua33 2 months ago
Hans Christian Andersen BBC story telling- they are noted for their high quality drama.
Shameful and peculiar with it- a comedian plays facilitator on a debunking road trip- all in very poor taste.
The girl could fly in minutes, the thermite didn't work, the air bound cell calls were made......
breakit46 2 months ago
The "evidence" in this documentary is an insult to rational thought.
XmadmanREBornX 2 months ago
@XmadmanREBornX I don't see Richard Gage anywhere in this documentary. I don't get what you mean. :D
MegaYeshua33 2 months ago
And most people fall for this conspiracy nut name calling type behaviour, which is a good indication of that persons intelligence that he/she thinks that such categorisation of events and people is valid in the search for truth.. Anyone able to think critically and not let anything but hard objective evidence effect their search for what is true can see that there are far too many anomalies, and the way in which BBC ridicule proves that it is controlled, this is all hidden behind...
crisisofconsciousnes 2 months ago
this is all hidden behind a vale, they act like such a suggestion about 911 being an inside job is funny and crazy and this vale allows them to not treat the matter seriously and not go too deep into the evidence... Still we have no explanation for the molten metal at the bases of the 3 buildings weeks after, we have numerous people dying who had testifyable evidence and the NIST computer model for the collapse of wtc7 building never released. Hide behind your vale, grasp your secure world view
crisisofconsciousnes 2 months ago
@crisisofconsciousnes No not really. I just look at people like Richard gage, and find huge gaping holes in there accounts of what happened, and in they're science.
MegaYeshua33 2 months ago
@crisisofconsciousnes How could thermite create molten metal underneath the debris pile for six weeks? Explain please
MegaYeshua33 2 months ago
And most people fall for this conspiracy nut name calling type behaviour, which is a good indication of that persons intelligence that he/she thinks get such categorisation of events and people is valid in the search for truth.. Anyone able to think critically and not let anything but hard objective evidence effect their search for what is true can see that there are far too many anomalies, and the way in which BBC ridicule proves that it is controlled, this is all hidden behind...
crisisofconsciousnes 2 months ago
WTC7 building, which was avoided intentionally in this film is the smoking gun, that, and Barry Jennings who witnessed explosions within the WTC7 building prior to either of the towers collapsing. This program was a very cleverly put together program designed to sway opinion. The experiments were laughable and their sole intention was to make these people with questions look stupid in front of a stupid audience, it's a shame that a high majority of people have been dumbed down, hence this works
crisisofconsciousnes 2 months ago
WTC7 building, which was avoided intentionally in this film is the smoking gun, that, and Barry Jennings who witnessed explosions within the WTC7 building prior to either of the towers collapsing.. This program was a very cleverly put together program designed to sway opinion. The experiments were laughable and there sole intention was to make these people with questions look stupid in front of a stupid audience, it's a shame that a high majority of people have been dumbed down, hence this works
crisisofconsciousnes 2 months ago
I watched this because I was interested in seeing some valid, equal-sided arguments.
Unfortunately that is not what this is :(
I shall keep looking though.
bleedingxxaurora 2 months ago
OK pal what the fuck ever,I can tell you're a real bright individual!
chrisreynoldsable 2 months ago
@chrisreynoldsable why thank you
cjnewson88 2 months ago
This is fucking lame,watch loosechange 2nd video it explains it all so much better than this crap!
chrisreynoldsable 2 months ago
@chrisreynoldsable except the maker of loose change himself no longer believes 9/11 was an inside job.. oops lol
cjnewson88 2 months ago
@cjnewson88 Ya,because he realized it was Israel and the Mossad who did it.I'm well aware of the maker of loose change,it doesn't take away from the evidence in the film.Your point is as useful as this video.
chrisreynoldsable 2 months ago
@chrisreynoldsable Ok so if I made a film in which I 'proved' JFK was still alive, and then later came out public that I don't believe JFK was alive anymore, my film would still be valid? Loose change is invalidated by the fact Avery no longer believes anything he put in it. Not to mention it has been thoroughly debunked. In saying that, there was more convincing material for US Govt than Mossad, thats just retarded and ignorant; a typical 'its the jews fault' argument.
cjnewson88 2 months ago
these were all the shittest arguments ever.
Flappyization 3 months ago
lol they used normal thermite.
this was ENGINEERED thermite
Flappyization 3 months ago
@Flappyization Or Thermate. the military version which has better cutting properties.
XmadmanREBornX 2 months ago
disinformation is real.
Flappyization 3 months ago
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How DO the BBC get away with breathtaking garbage like this? I mostly watch 'Russia today' for news now, they ask the questions the western controlled media wont (but they are a bit licky about domestic Russian news)
TODB0AMER 3 months ago
I love the black girl on this video:
"Do you think it would be more difficult to fly a Boeing type airplane?"
"it might be slightly more nerve racking but I would say it's very easy, especially as prior to this I hadn't had any knowledge about how to work this thing and I've been taught in less than an hour"
APBriggs2009 3 months ago
I thought this was a very interesting documentary. To me, it illustrates the mental processes of various die-hard conspiracy theorists, incapable of changing their mind of certain things in the face of overwhelming evidence that they're wrong.
jfeucht82 3 months ago
Sorry, as although my comment may sound mad! I'm not. But the great majority of the Worlds population will ONLY BELIEVE what is happening in the World if it's on their TV or printed Media; and this is how so many are being foolishly "Led" in the "Wrong" Direction! If only the masses were to read: "Who Owns What!" on: wake-upbeforeitstoolate(dot)com they would soon realise how this one Parasitic group are taking US ALL for absolute "FOOLS!" But WE have ALL become "Happy" (BLINDED) "SHEEPLE!"
einrib4truth 3 months ago
rodney is a cannabis addict, he didnt even pass uni,so hes a liar too.... this is all he can do to make a real difference (if thats what he calls it).... seriously mate stop doin that shit to urself, u got more potential than that and i i know u should be in a lab somewhere using ur potential...
sciencestudent342 3 months ago
I would love to watch the rest of this "Orchestrated and TOTALLY BIASED PROPAGANDA "BULL-SHIT!" Ask "YOURSELF!" "WHY" hasn't the JEWISH CONTROLLED "BBC!" had ALL the "PROFESSIONALS from ALL OVER THE "WORLD!" EXPLAINING the "FACTS!" THIS IS "HOW" THE JEWISH MEDIA "CONTROL" MASS OPINION! And "WE" BELIEVE IT! Because it was on OUR TV! "WAKE-UP!" Before YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH/OPINIONS HAVE BEEN TOTALLY DESTROYED!!
einrib4truth 3 months ago
@einrib4truth hi mate dont get man get smart there are a few things that prove and i believe there is more to this than meets the eye but if this is what we see what are we missing?
bazwertcov 3 months ago
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IT'S TIME; To “Wake-UP!” Understand the ONLY REASON “WHY” the “TRUTH” is being Purposely Denied to the Worlds Masses through OUR MEDIA Outlets, and “WHO” Owns/Controls the WORLDS MEDIA! When WE can “Wake-UP!” and see that the Incredibly Biased “INFORMATION” is TOTALLY being CONTROLLED/FABRICATED by Jewish Individuals; then WE Will SEE “WHO” is Stealthily and Deceitfully Orchestrating The Whole-World-Wide DEMISE! “THEIR ONLY WEAPON of PROTECTION” is: “ANTI-SEMITISM!” “WAKE-UP!” “UNITE NOW!”
einrib4truth 3 months ago
The jet fuel would of all burnt up within 15 minutes tops, and it may be able to get 'thin air' to reach those temperatures, but no way in hell is it possible for it to get the actual steel to reach those temperatures.. O no no it remained suspended in the air, hovering around the beams?? Absolute stupidity
KungfuFr0g 3 months ago
They never explained the complete collapse of the three WTC buildings in the official report. It is impossible to scientifically explain the complete implosion without using explosives. Simple modelling will prove that, but they have continually refused to explain it because it is simply an impossibility. They even waited until all the steel was removed before allowing an investigation to start. This video is a babble of pure stupidity with no physical evidence explaining a damn thing whatsoever
KungfuFr0g 3 months ago
If anybody wants to have another view of what happened on the day of 9/11, have a look at the film/documentary: Zeitgeist. Go to part 2 of the film if you just want to hear about 9/11, however the whole film is excellent. This film convinced me in what I believe and played a big part of me leaving the British Army. Nuff said about me. The BBC should show it if we live in a world of free choice. I'l let people make their own minds up.
cheekydonnie 3 months ago
@cheekydonnie if zeitgeist's film made you alter your life choices, then I am sorry but you are set for mass disappointment. Most conspiracy theorist ignore Zeigeist because it is based on mass inaccuracy and fiction, even for conspiracy theorist taste. Here is a link, a rebuttal, of each part. It takes a lot of reading, but very informative, and all referenced and sourced (unlike zeigiest) - conspiracies(dot)skepticproject(dot)com/articles/zeitgeist/ . I strongly suggest you read it.
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MegaYeshua33 2 months ago
@cjnewson88 Zeitgeist made me do research and I didn't like what I found out. Knowing the banking systems is enough to give anyone with a brain a clue to how the world works. The people who have the money, make the rules. "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild
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@cjnewson88 Im not what you call a conspiracy theorist mate
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cheekydonnie 3 months ago
what a load of rubbish... talk about only putting one side across. what about the entry hole in the pentagon and the WTC7 building being reported as collapsed before it had in fact collapsed... and confirmed by the reporter??
just to name a few points...
jsheppard001 3 months ago
The antenna visibly dropped before the roofline and exterior columns begin to fall. You can see this in the Sauret video.
sharpprintinginc(dot)com/911/index(dot)php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=165&MMN_position=335:335
APBriggs2009 3 months ago
@APBriggs2009 That .gif is misleading, the collapse occurred on the opposite side to where that video was filmed from, you can even see this on your link image down the bottom right, its collapsing at the same time. This video shows it collapsing almost simultaneously, watch?v=SCUbcmo9-kE, as well as this one showing a close up image of the exterior columns clearly failing watch?v=PQhq2ihqzn4
cjnewson88 3 months ago
This is an interesting video, it's an interview with one of the "conspiracy theorists" from this "documentary". It's obvious that the video was heavily edited in order to fit a particular result but nice to hear it from those involved.
/watch?v=JZCtHanJe4g&feature=channel_video_title
APBriggs2009 3 months ago
The image on drjudywoods website is actually hosted on
westyorkssteel(dot)com/images/htchar1(dot)gif
she's steeling (pun intended) their bandwidth too!
APBriggs2009 3 months ago
@APBriggs2009 hmm good find, its not surprising Woods turns out to be using false 'evidence', its a common practice in the truth business. There are the half dozen pictures above that of different stages of aluminum melting however, which clearly shows it glowing orange. However, as you have correctly pointing out, this source is somewhat unreliable. Let me find a better source for it.
cjnewson88 3 months ago
@APBriggs2009 watch?v=A796N_YZTm8. Molten Aluminum, not silvery in color. It is possible for almost anything to glow when it heats up, Aluminum is no exception. This is due to the Draper point as a result of blackbody radiation. You can wiki these concepts.
snippet - "The Draper point is the approximate temperature above which almost all solid materials visibly glow as a result of blackbody radiation".
cjnewson88 3 months ago
@cjnewson88 Substituting the Draper point into this equation produces a frequency of 46.9 terahertz—which is infrared, and largely invisible except for a dull red, at a small fraction of the peak intensity, that is visible to the human eye.
Thats from wikipedia too, I doubt you can use that phenomena to explain this one, more likely contaminants in with the aluminium. Even so the molten metal pouring down the side of the