in ten minutes of tyson knock outs you have about 40 massive knock outs... in this one about lewis you have about 5 and the others are repeated... even his gloryfication videos are boring... gosh i am glad he is gone... he never come back - most boring heavyweight boxer in history of mankind
He really stood out as the first of the big athletic heavyweights. After his era I don't think there will be another champ that weights under 225 and is under 6'3". he definately fought whoever came at him. and fought past his prime... but still went out a winner. The McCall and Rahman losses mar his legend , and he was smart enough to retire than fight a rematch against Klitschko, who would have destroyed him at that stage,
Lennox was so infatic with the Rahman rematch that it helped his legacy
The Mccall defeat was a disaster as Lewis then missed out on the really big fights of the mid 90's against Bowe, Tyson, Moorer and prior to 1999, Holyfield
If Lewis had got with Manny earlier, then he would have beaton Mccall easily and could have beaton Bowe in 93, Holyfield in 94 and Tyson in 1996 and then remained undisputed champ for 5 years and retired as an unbeaton & greatest heavyweight ever.
Evander Holyfield - Lennox cleverly waited until Holyfield was 37 years old to finally muster up the courage to fight him. Holyfield had already once retired with a congenital heart defect and looked a shadow of his late 90's-Early 90's prime. After Holyfield winning a controversial decision against Vaughn Bean in 1998, Lennox Lewis realised this was the "perfect moment" to face Evander Holyfield
'Get real. I'd much rather have fought Lewis than big Henry. Now I've got to go through one to get to the other. And for all their talk about ducking, the real reason why I'm being delayed in getting my third belt is because Lewis wouldn't agree to cut the kind of deal I took in order to get my first fight with Tyson.
'If Lewis really wants to, fine, come on. Stop quibbling and do it.'
@JoeCalzagheTheCoward Wow is there not a video of lennox lewis you have not commented on i guest you dont have a job so you signed on or you just have alot of time
Evander Holyfield - Lennox cleverly waited until Holyfield was 37 years old to finally muster up the courage to fight him. Holyfield had already once retired with a congenital heart defect and looked a shadow of his late 90's-Early 90's prime. After Holyfield winning a controversial decision against Vaughn Bean in 1998, Lennox Lewis still needed a favour off the judges despite Holyfield being washed up
@JoeCalzagheTheCoward lennox lewis was a true champion he beat everyone in his era the guys he didnt beat ducked him how can he not be the true champ if he beat everyone
@ItsDatGirlJordzMonday, 19 November, 2001, 09:36 GMTLewis: Good but not great
yet to meet another ring legend at the peak of his power - the win against Holyfield came too late in both men's careers.
Lower tier
Five years after he retires, however, his name will fall from boxing's highest order.Lewis will join a lower tier of very good champions who were never truly great
Not a big lennox lewis fan but a big boxing fan that is not bias. In regards to Vitali-lewis. A few points. 1-That lennox was out of shape and very unmotivated. 2- Lennox Lewis loses more early rounds then any other champion in heavyweight history. It's not rare at all for him to be dominated early and still win. Even round 1 vs Tyson he lost. If you pay close attention to Round 5 against vitali you can see lennox won that one and is coming back. 3-Vitali's eye was going blind
Mike Tyson - June 2002 This is Lennox's biggest con. Tyson, destroyed by British clubfighters Danny Williams and Kevin McBride more decisively than Lennox Lewis who took 8 rounds to literally push an exhausted overweight 235lbs Mike Tyson to the canvas. This is not surprising, he'd boxed just 18 rounds in 6 yrs and was pictured 03/2002 in the National Enquirer smoking marijuana with hippies in Hawaii
Hasim Rahman - A fighter who didn't even take up boxing until the age of 20, making his pro debut at 22 in 1994 a guy with no punch resistance, not just been ko'd, but out of the ring in 1999 by Oleg Maskaev. Lennox got ko'd in 5 Hasim Rahman 2 - Lennox won in 4 in a 2001 rematch, so poor was Hasim Rahman that he didn't win another fight until a 2004 U/D "HBO Ballroom Boxing" match with 41yo Al Cole
i dont care what any 1 says mike tyson is and always will be the greatest fighter you put lennox lewis against tyson in his prime no question down goes lewis !!!!!
Oliver McCall - Oliver was 29 years old and stopped Lennox easily in the 2nd round. However in 1996 he fell into Crack Cocaine-Alcohol Problems. He had 3 drug related arrests and was under house arrest / drug rehab since December 15th 1996. Coward Lennox Lewis decided it was now "safe" to face Oliver McCall who would surely have knocked him out easily again if he was not in the throes of drug addiction
@JoeCalzagheTheCoward whats wrong wiv u hater, lets face it ur more of a coward hiding on a youtube comments section slating him. he had a pretty good record - anyway the klitschko bros always play it safe and thats the way it is.
@JoeCalzagheTheCoward u write this same shit all the time why not say this when your interview after winning a world title? o ye because your a bitch and couldnt win a fight never mind a pro fight
@JoeCalzagheTheCoward because your not ranked number 1 by the wbc lennox got avoided so that means they strip the champ and give the belt to the number 1 ranked guy
Hasim Rahman - A fighter who didn't even take up boxing until the age of 20, making his pro debut at 22 in 1994 a guy with no punch resistance, not just been ko'd, but out of the ring in 1999 by Oleg Maskaev. Lennox got ko'd in 5. Lennox won in 4 in a 2001 rematch, so poor was Hasim Rahman that he didn't win another fight until a 2004 U/D "HBO Ballroom Boxing" match with 41yo Al Cole
Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown Here are Lennox Lewis most difficult opponents Evander Holyfield Lennox cleverly waited until Holyfield was 37 years old to finally muster up the courage to fight him. Holyfield had already once retired with a congenital heart defect and looked a shadow of his late 90s-Early 90s prime. After Holyfield winning a controversial decision against Vaughn Bean in 1998 Lennox Lewis realised this was the "perfect moment" to face Evander Holyfield
Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown Here are Lennox Lewis' most difficult opponents: Ray Mercer - 1996 - Mercer was 35. So poor was his record, he hadn't won a fight for 3 yrs, a controversial SD against Jesse Ferguson in 1993. He was also outclassed by a 43 yo Larry Holmes in 1991. Mercer dominated and was clearly robbed. Naturally Mercer wanted a rematch offering to donate his all his $10m purse to Charity (Project Pride-Newark). Amazingly the Vulture Lennox Lewis refused!
Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown Here are Lennox Lewis' most difficult opponents: Hasim Rahman - A fighter who didn't even take up boxing until the age of 20, making his pro debut at 22 in 1994 a guy with no punch resistance, not just been ko'd, but out of the ring in 1999 by Oleg Maskaev. Lennox got ko'd in 5 Hasim Rahman 2 - Lennox won in 4 in a 2001 rematch, so poor was Hasim Rahman that he didn't win another fight until a 2004 U/D "HBO Ballroom Boxing" match with 41yo Al Cole
@barnsey85LEWIS WARNED: THIS IS FOR REAL. Author: Dillon, John Publication: The Mirror (London, England) Date: Sep 25, 1998 LENNOX Lewis was reminded here last night of the harsh truth that he has waded to the top of the world through a pile of washed up drunks and junkies. "Lionel Butler was on drugs, Oliver McCall was in and out of rehabilitation with drug and booze problems and Tommy Morrison went on drinking binges before the fight," said Steward.
why do you think emmauel stewart soo wanted to work with lennox.Because he knew how great lewis could be.And thats exactly what he became.Anyone who thins different Does not know boxing
@WillieRobb1 Holmes was pissed off when he said Rocky couldn't carry his jockstrap because he lost his title when he came close to breaking Marciano's undefeated streak and Louis' title defense streak.
He would later say, "I want to offer my apologies to Rocky Marciano's family for the remarks I made at the press conference."
"He was one of the greatest fighters of all time. His 49-0 record speaks for itself. If I hurt Rocky Marciano's family, I regret it."
McCall has hardly been seen in public since he entered a drugs rehabilitation clinic in North Carolina last Autumn to fight cocaine and marijuana problems.
When he did surface, he was promptly arrested for slinging a Christmas tree across a hotel foyer in Nashville.
His erratic behaviour means no-one is quite sure what shape or frame of mind he'll be in when he turns up to meet Lewis next month.
Ray Mercer - 1996 - Mercer was 35. So poor was his record, he hadn't won a fight for 3 yrs, a controversial SD against Jesse Ferguson in 1993. He was also outclassed by a 43 yo Larry Holmes in 1991. Mercer dominated and was clearly robbed. Naturally Mercer wanted a rematch offering to donate his all his $10m purse to Charity (Project Pride-Newark). Amazingly the Vulture Lennox Lewis refused!
Where was lewis from 89 to 93?He was sparring and drawing with tyson in 1984.He was also older.How many years did he really need to mature? 7?,8? nah.he was a coward first half of his career.
@fadethetrade Tyson is a year older than Lewis and the youngest HW champion of all time, so Tyson's pace at which he fought is almost unmatched in that division. Plus Lewis was to busy winning the Olympic gold medal to become a pro in '84, you troll. Anyone who questions the courage of any man brave enough to step into the ring professionally is the true coward.
@fukanesedragon You have to get your facts straight schmuck.Lewis is a ayear older.look it up dummy.He said in an interview he didnt want to fight tyson when tyson was 19 already."no way,he sadi,"he was an animal". I asked this question to another boxing expert as myself you troll! I know every stat in boxing.The fast is Lewis ran from 89 to 93 also from top contending contention .3 yrs from avoidng any household name until ruddock,shows his management were worried of his below averagae chin.
Overrated chin,his chin was below average.Sorry lewis fans.That doesn't mean on a given night he couldn't beat ali but vs a young foreman 72-73,he might have had too much to handle.Young tyson early 88 could catch lewis.The mccal and Rahman fight cemented his chin as below average.
I just dont get it that some americans hate lennox becose he destroyed tyson when he wasnt in his prime, what lennox should do in that tyson fight,have a coffee break ha? lennox lewis is one of the greatest! he has only 2 losses and the first one was very contreversial lennox got up and was ready to fight, but the judge just stopped it. lennox lewis= SKILL CLASS ATHLETIC ABILITY some guys say that he cocky but how? they are just envious becose there cock is the size of that fucking disclike barr
To think David Haye could even think he would be like Lennox, seems totally obsurd. Lennox was the British Heavyweight champion Britian has ever produced, period.
@AussieFkinPride Listen he is British, he was born in West Ham (which is a part of London) Sounds like you abit of a nonse, and its abit bit riching coming from an Aussie,
All he could do is fight and beat whats infront of him! you will never know about ali and the rest of them because they were different erra's... lewis was an awesome champ
'McCall, who was accompanied to Las Vegas by a drug counselor and who attends meetings of both Narcotics Anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous.
The legal problems include a parole violation stemming from an arrest in Chicago for possession of crack cocaine and marijuana, and an arrest for vandalism, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest in December in Nashville, Tenn.
a great opponent B/C Rock NEVER fought a great opponent. Rock was a great Bum and OLD man beater. His proponents admit he couldn't box, but THEY CLAIM he was a HARD puncher. HOW WOULD WE KNOW. The guys Rock faced either had NO OTHER fights OR EVERY 1 was KOing them, EXCEPT the 3 OLD men & the sick guy. Even Ali, Louis, Holmes & ALL OF THEM got beat when they got OLD. Rock belong's on a list of 10 greatest CON MEN!
@WillieRobb1 HaHahahHAHhAhaha you are a fucking idiot.
Marciano fought the best he could find in his era and KO'd them. That's the most you can ever ask of any champion.
People hate on him because he's undefeated. If he had one loss, people would realize how good some of his opponents were. Louis trained hard and fought with everything he had left, he was even the slight favorite. Jersey Joe was winning on all cards when Rocky KO'd him. Ezzard Charles is often considered the best Light
@crowley0312 His supporters TRIED 2 CLAIM he was a hard puncher because he had several KOs.
THEY FAILED TO MENTION that except for the 4 old men ALL of the guy's Rock KOed had been KOed numerous times before him & after him EXCEPT for the opponents he KOed who had NEVER fought anyone EXCEPT HIM & went back to skid row with their hundred dollar bill.
Rock was a BUM and U R the fan of a BUM.
Check his record & the records and ages of his opponents. U'll realize U R the idiot, IDIOT
@WillieRobb1 Heavyweight of all time and one of the top p4p of all time. He was only 32 and was still one of the best fully rounded fighters of all time. Archie Moore was an ageless warrior. He had over 40 wins as a HW against fighters ranging from bums to top contendeder and only 3 losses to Marciano, Patterson and Ali. The fact Rocky beat him puts him above bums and top contenders.
Marciano knocked his opponents out of the ring and into the audience most of the time. Only an idiot would
He was a complete pussy in the ring, hugging his opponents every few seconds and COMPLETLY relying on his over long reach.
He got KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT by an average fighter, Rahmen. he was only an ok fighter during his era's prime.
Because Lewis had such a cowardly fighting style, he was able to still fight decently past other fighter's prime. Can you honestly say the Tyson he fought wasn't a sad shadow
@WillieRobb1 of his younger self? It's funny how things said about Marciano can easily be said about other boxers.
What about McCall the journeyman? He was a bum but made Lennox look like a super bum.
We all know the judges in the first Holyfield fight were paided off.
Lennox never had the balls to fight someone again who he already beat. Marciano gave everyone a rematch who was up for one. Lennox would take a lucky win (Vitali) and run like a little girl. That's YOUR hero!
@crowley0312 Pops Louis was favored B/C the entire boxing world KNEW what a BUM Rock really was. Walcott was ahead because Rock is a BUM but Walcott was 3 mos from 39 while Rock had turned 28 that mo; he ran out of gas. Louis retired B/C it was clear he was PUNCHED OUT. N 49 he got an S/D over Walcott; many said Walcott won. Louis KNEW it was true so he trained his hardest & gave it his all N the rematch & managed 2 get a KO; MORE B/C Walcott was NEVER a Louis, Ali or Foreman, than
@WillieRobb1 Louis was favored because no one knew Rocky yet and even at Louis' age, he still wanted to reclaim the title very badly. The Walcott win was 100% fair KO, unlike winning by a bullshit cut. Louis had the SD you retard, Rocky KO'd Walcott both times, 1st round the second time.
I'm not saying Louis was better than Marciano.
I have Louis ranked as the number 1 Heavyweight. Quit learning your shit off of Wikipedia.
@crowley0312 B/C he was STILL the BROWN BOMBER). Louis then fought the BUM Shkor, who lost 19 fights. When it took him 11 rnds 2 dispose of THAT BUM he KNEW he was NO LONGER a top tier fighter but merely a has-been & he retired. When the IRS took all his money & he was penniless HE HAD 2 RETURN 2 BOXING, but he WASN'T the BROWN BOMBER, he was just an OLD GUY named Joe Louis. THAT'S WHO ROCK fought & Rock KNEW that's who he was fighting. N 49 Rock was 23-0. Spinks asked 4 & won the
@WillieRobb1 You CLEARLY don't know shit about boxing, no wonder your a Lewis fan. Fighter's don't get the title when they "ASK" for it, you fucking retard. Older fighters had to earn dozens of wins sometimes before they got a shot. Foreman didn't get one until he was 38-0. Marciano didn't have management, so he was mostly used to fight rising stars for the beginning fo his career. He beat every rising star put in front of him dumb fuck, enough with this old men crap.
@crowley0312 the title @ 7-0; Holyfield did it @ 11-O; Ali @ 19-0. Fighters WHO B/L they can fight ask 4 the belt as soon as they qualify. But Cooney asked 4 it @ 25-0; he had built his record LIKE ROCK by beating BUMS & OLD MEN. Holmes beat the crap out of him & KOd him. Bobick was 38-0 over old men & BUMS when he finally got the nerve 2 face some1 who could fight. Norton KOd his 38-0 @ss N 58 sec of the 1st rnd. When Rock was 7-0 his opponent was 1-4, @ 8-0 his opponent was 0-1.
@WillieRobb1 Cooney also fought everyone but in front of him. Lyle fought Young, Foreman and Ali but would later call Cooney the hardest hitter he ever fought.
Cooney put up a good fight against Holmes too. He was never the best, but should be remebered as a good fighter. He would kick your ass.
@crowley0312 From 32-0 - 35-0 his opponents were 8-8-1; 3-13-3; 13-15-1; 11-14-2.
HARD PUNCHER? Rock FAILED 2 KO Mogard, 19-16; FAILED 2 KO Lowry, (TWICE) 66-67-10 & KOd by other guys; FAILED 2 KO Applegate 11-14-2 & KOd by other guys. Meanwhile Rock repeatedly refused 2 fight Wallace who was among the guys who beat Rock N Amatuers. He also ducked Jackson 25-3-1 @ the time he was trying 2 fight Rock w/2 wins over Ezzard Charles. But U CLAIM he was fighting the best N his era. IDIOT
@WillieRobb1 Lennox was the ultimate pussy. He get his ass wooped in 2 rounds. It was only when everyone was older that he started to do good. You hate Rock for fighting old guys, yet you worship someone who beat a bunch of old and finished fighters LOL YOU FUCKING DUMBASS.
Some of Lewis' opponents: 11-12-1, 5-10-1, 11-30-5, 14-19-1, etc. FUCKIN IDiOT
SO EVERYONE WHO DOESN"T HAVE A 100% KO RATE ISNT A HARD PUNCHER? FuCKIN DUMBASS.
WALLACE beat Rocky in the amateurs because Rocky had
@crowley0312 Oh, & I forgot 2 mention Ezzard Charles was 32, BUT he was diagnosed as having Lou Gehrig's disease. Rock fought a sick man, who had never been more than a great Lt HW. Against good HWs Charles out pointed Walcott 1, but N 2 others he lost & got KOd.
He lost his 1st HW fight against Ray. Ray NEVER beat any1 with a name EXCEPT Charles. Charles was a great Lt HW who B/F he got sick was beating Lt Heavy(s) who were good. After he got sick, he NOT ONLY lost 2 the BUM Rock
@WillieRobb1 NO experience. Wall was hardly a contender in pro. You think he ducked Johnson? Fucking idiot.
Charles best Walcott TWICE, not once. You clearly don't know jack about boxing. Stick to your Lennox action figures. Charles wasn't a "good Lt. Heav', he's considered THE BEST LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME.
This was also Walcott's prime, because he was hardly boxing in his 20's. THIS WAS WALCOTT AT HIS BEST.
@crowley0312 he lost 2 Hall, 12-12-4; Bethea, 9-4-2; He was forced 2 look 4 wins over Bums like Ashley, 3-9. Charles was NEVER a HW beater & when he fought Rock he was NOT a good fighter AT ALL.
He was sick & the records of the opponents he beat & lost 2, B/F & afterwards prove he WAS NOT THE SAME GUY. Moore was 42 while Rock had just turned 32, 20 days B/F that fight. Moore still knocked the Rock Bum down & it took 9 rnds B/F OLD MAN Moore was out of gas enough 2 lose 2 that BUM!
@WillieRobb1 also outclassed by a 43 yo Larry Holmes in 1991. Mercer dominated and was clearly robbed. Naturally Mercer wanted a rematch offering to donate his all his $10m purse to Charity (Project Pride-Newark).
Your hero Lennox was a BUM.
You sound like a dumbass calling Marciano's opponents old when Lewis' biggest wins were against people who could hardly walk.
FUCKING DUMBASS, GO BACK TO SUCK LENNOX THE BUMS DICK
@crowley0312 What the HELL makes U THINK Lewis is something special 2 ME OR that UR dumb @ss insulting Lewis will hurt my feelings? Lewis was a good fighter who was LIGHT YEARS better than the BUM Marciano but he's not my favorite. MY FAVORITE is Muhammad Ali & don't bother trying 2 defame Ali. U'LL just reveal UR self as an even bigger idiot. Louis retired B/C HE KNEW & EVERY1 of his advisors told him he was punched out. HE DID NOT return 2 the ring B/C he wanted 2 re-win the title
@WillieRobb1 What the HELL makes U THINK Marciano is something special 2 ME OR that UR dumb @ss insulting Marciano will hurt my feelings? I'm a Marciano fan because he was a brutal puncher who was never the favorite to win by critics. Yet he went undefeated. Sadly people hate people with success. Just look at Mayweather and Calzage. People would rather put down their opponents than accept they went undefeated. My favorite boxer is Marvin Hagler.
@crowley0312 He returned 2 the ring B/C the government CLAIMED he had failed 2 pay taxes on 100,000.00. He made that money doing exhibitions while N the service & DONATED it 2 the USO. WHO PAYS TAXES ON DONATED MONEY? Apparently no1 EXCEPT a Black ex HW champ. AFTER he HAD 2 return 2 the ring 2 keep from starving & pay penalties & interest on money that SHOULD HAVE NOT been taxable. THEN Rock who was 23-0 B/F Louis retired BUT didn't want 2 face a serious fighter, THEN Rock was more
@WillieRobb1 Yes, Louis HAD to return to the ring because of taxes. Btw, you know the IRS did this to lots of WWll veterens, right?
So Louis lost the title to Ezzard Charles, but still didn't pay off his debt. So he cheered himself up by thinking he could pay off his debt and become the first person to win the title twice.
Louis is my favorite HW and I'm sad this happend to him. But Marciano beat old-Louis fair and square.
@crowley0312 THAN WILLING 2 fight a HAS-BEEN w/a big name who had retired 2 yrs earlier. U say Louis was favored B/C NO1 knew Rock. If U R a fighter who is 37-0 & NO1 knows U. U R A BUM! & that's what Rock was! U SAY the Walcott win was 100% fair. A guy 20 days from 31 fighting a guy 3 mos from 39. Have U ever been N the ring? IF SO, have U EVER been N the ring at 39? I DOUBT IT; U wouldn't seem so stupid if U had. Those fights U listed 4 Lewis were HIS 1st 4 fights. Let's look at
@WillieRobb1 Rock wasn't "MORE THAN WILLING" to fight "an HAS-BEEN."
Marciano idolized Louis and didn't want to fight him. Nonetheless, it would get Marciano a title shot and pay off Louis' debt, so both took the fight dispite not wanting too.
"If U R a fighter who is 37-0 & NO1 knows U. U R A BUM!"
No shit no one knew him. No one knew Ali before he fought Liston. Now one knows he before you win a title.
Louis was favored because he WAS a champion and was a hero to his country.
@crowley0312 Rock's 1st fight. Epperman, a homeless wino who was not a boxer; NEVER fought B/F or after Rock. Rock's 2nd - 10th, 3-6; 1-1; 8-0; 15-0-1; 4-2; 1-4; 0-1; 3-2; 8-5; 3-4; NOW let’s look at Lewis' 1st 10. 11-12-1; 5-10-1; 11-30-5; 13-10-1; 14-19-1; 21-7; 19-11; 13-4; 18-2-1; 14-3. EVERY1 N the boxing world KNOWS the 1st 10 fights R development stage. Lewis' 1st 10 opponents had a total of 257 fights, w/139 wins. Rocks 1st 10 opponents had a a total of 52 fights w/35 wins.
@crowley0312 NOW WHO was looking 2 develop, & who was looking 2 B a Bum beating BUM himself. He chose opponents w/NO ring experience & NO boxing ability. ROCK WAS A BUM'S BUM! Show me a good fighter who is 37-0 but is the underdog against a HAS BEEN that the Detroit News wrote about N '49. "Louis is finished; he should retire 4 his own good". UR HERO was a BUM. U KNOW THAT, so U must be a bum as well. I'll bet U were something like 2-12 N amateurs B/F UR mother MADE U QUIT!
@WillieRobb1 “Critics do not rate Rocky with the great ones, like Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, and Louis. He never faced topnotch fighters like they did. It was not Rocky’s fault, of course, that there was not much talent when he was fighting. He fought them all and that is what a champion is supposed to do.” - John Durant, author of The Heavyweight Champions
Experts see Marciano's talent.
I could call everyone Ali and Lewis fought a bum, but that wouldn't be constructive. Idiot.
@crowley0312 What makes me think Rock is something special 2 U? I exposed Rock N comments directed 2 some1 else. U jumped 2 the attack N defense of Rock. There IS NO defense 4 a "supposed" fighter who NEVER beat a quality opponent. Ali is great B/C he won the title from the most feared man N boxing at the time, who was on a string of 26 wins w/23 KOs. His total rec was 35-1; losing only 2 Marshall who broke Listons’ jaw N the 2nd. Liston still finished the fight & lost a S/D; came
@WillieRobb1 I jumped in because I wanted to defend Rock. I just said I'm a Marciano fan. You just don't want to accept that Marciano is a legend. You can insult his opponents all you want, it doesn't change the fct that the biggest historians in boxing gave Marciano his well deserved place in the top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time.
Your just a pissed of little prick. You don't know shit about boxing compared to Fleiser, Ross, McCallum,etc. You don't know shit about boxing compared to
@crowley0312 back & stopped Marshall N 6. Ali beat Frazier 2 of 3 & stopped him N the 3rd. He defended his title 9 times N a 22 mo period B/F they STOLE IT. He had said he planned to fight 26 defenses 2 break Louis' record. He beat Foreman & CONTRARY 2 popular lies; it was Foreman who didn't want a rematch. After the fight Foreman went & hid N the Mountains somewhere 4 19 mos. Frazier is great B/C NO ONE ever beat him except Ali & Foreman. Foreman is great B?C he destroyed Smoking
@WillieRobb1 anyone though. So Ali planned 26 title defenses? Ok, I planned over 100 defenses of all 17 undisputed belts. That must make me the greatest of all time, right?
Ali should have had the chance to see if he could beat Louis' record, but he didn't even get half way and a lot could happen in that time. He could have easily gotten his career ended from an unlucky punch. But clearly your one of those dickriders who thinks Ali is god in human form.
@crowley0312 Joe, Norton, Lyle,Quawi & Chuvalo. N 93 fights NO ONE else KOd Chuvalo excext Frazier. Ali beat BOTH Frazier & Foreman, stopped them both. Several white guys had iron jaws. Chuvalo, Cobb, LaMotta (B/F he got punched out). I B/L Rock also could take a punch. THAT I believe was his ONLY redeeming quality as a fighter. He could withstand the punches of the old men & BUMS he was fighting & by only having one strategy, i.e. move forward like a rock-um-sock-um robot, he made
@WillieRobb1 with Foreman. Even ali will tell you that. Can't blame him, rope-a-dope wouldn't have worked a second time around.
If your calling Rocky a bum, you're as good as calling Lord Ali an idiot.
After sparing with Rock, Ali was deeply impressed by how well Marciano could move away from his jabs and that he could make him feel numb from just sparing. And at an old age!
You keep calling Marcianos opponents old men, but they were the best of the time. Rocky couldn't go in a time
@crowley0312 his opponents constantly throw punches & tire. Then he was able 2 end the fight. I knocked out a bum named Jessie Daniels N 64 sec. He was my 1st fight. He was a BUM. N later fights I went thru the 3rd 2 the finish w/the win, but NO KO. They were better fighters. Not good enough 2 win but smart enough 2 keep their chins moving. I'm 39. N April I KOd a 19 yr old N sparring. (I don't fight, just train). It wasn't even a hard punch, just sharp, but he was cocky & he should
@WillieRobb1 machine and fight skilled fighters. If your gonna be a whinny little bitch and keep calling all rock's opponents old, then theres no point in talking to you. your a whinny little bitch who's hating on rocky. He already won before he got in the ring, not because of his bragging, or mouth, but by the sheer will to go forward.
All of his opponents had many more years experience than Rocky did. He was walking into the ring after boxing a few years. Rocky's earned a spot as one of the
@crowley0312 NOT be trying to be a boxer. ANYONE can line up some misfits, winos, sick guys & has beens & go undefeated. I do B/L Rock had a hard chin. I C NO evidence he was a brutal puncher. If so, he would have KOd the bums I mentioned earlier whom others were KOing & he couldn't. He would have KOd 42 yr old Moore N the 1st. I admit the early 50s was the weakest era N boxing history. If Rock was a brutal puncher, ALL 49 of the 3rd rate fights he had should have ended N the 1st.
If Rocky wasn't a brutal puncher, Enstien was an idiot. Just saying Rocky didn't punch hard proves you are a complete fucking idiot. Rocky KO'd nearly everyone he fought. I guess since Foreman and Frazier don't have 100% KO's, they must have punched like little bitches.
If you think it's that easy to KO a boxer in the first round, your officialy the dumbest person I've ever met. After all of Moore's ring experience, it would almost be impossible to knock him
Hell, it took Ali 4 rounds to KO Moore. Moore was SUPER ancient by then. If Ali could knock out a 56 year old Moore in the first round, he must have been the biggest pussy to ever lace up the glove. Fucking retard.
@crowley0312 Calling U an idiot is an insult 2 idiots. U NOT ONLY KNOW NOTHING about boxing; U KNOW NOYHING about life. Fleischer was a foaming racist. IF some fool would have B/L it, HE would have said Rock was the greatest fighter N history. Rock was a white guy. He PERSONALLY seems 2 have been a descent human being but racists did what they always do, TRY 2 MAKE THE WHITE BOY GREAT, EVEN when he's a bum like Cooney was at 25-0 & Bobick at 38-0. That's why Norton put him 2 sleep
@WillieRobb1 Fleischer rated George Dixon was the greatest Bantamweight, Joe Gans was the greatest Lightweight, Henry Armstrong the greatest Welterweight and Jack Johnson the greatest Heavyweight of all time. All those guys are black.
Nice try pulling the race card. I take it your black? Why do black people feel the need to put down Marciano at every chance they get? Is it that hard to accept that a white fighter beat several black fighters and retired undefeated?
@crowley0312 N 58 sec. When Holmes fought Cooney, Holmes had criticized Marciano as the BUM, wino fighter he was. Cooney like Rock had racked up 25 wins over BUMS & old men. Holmes beat the crap out of him N EVERY rnd, even turning him 180 N 1 rnd with a barrage of punches. When they had 2 pull Holmes off Cooney 2 keep Holmes from killing him a check of the judges' cards had Cooney supposedly winning EVERY rnd. So don't tell me where some white guys ranked Rock. HAD he NOT BEEN
@crowley0312 SUCH A BUM, they would have ranked him higher but they knew that would have just revealed who THEY were, not who Rock was. White guys claim they don't B/L Obama was born N Hawaii. They KNOW he was, they don't care, they just want a white guy, NOT a Black guy N the W H. Some Bars have signs saying members only. Those signs MEAN, NO BLACKS. ANY1 can line up 98 bums, winos, sick guys & old guys & go 100-0. U CLAIM those old guys were the best around. That's B/C there was
By any chance, do you smoke crack all day and bitch about black fighters being put down like the Mayweathers?
These men could be white, black, blue, red, green, yellow or poko-dot. It doesn't change the fact they were AT RINGSIDE at fights you never saw. So their opion is 100% better than yours.
Wallace beat Marciano when HE HAD LITERALYY ZERO EXPERIENCE IN THE RING. Wallace didn't want anything to do with Rock in the pros.
@crowley0312 NO1 around. I'm 39; I KNOW HOW 2 fight. I also know when I'm working with young guys who ALSO KNOW what 2 do, my eyes & mind see it but my body won't execute. Against a BUM, I'll KO him IF I WANT 2. Wallace beat Rock N amateurs, HE WAS AROUND w/a better rec than the BUMS Rock was fighting but Rock said NO.. Rock refused 2 fight Jackson who had a much better rec than the BUMS Rock fought, but Rock said NO. Rock catching OLD MAN WALCOTT with the belt was a lucky break 4
@crowley0312 Rock NEVER would have asked 4 the title if a younger champ had it, just as he wouldn't fight Louis, Walcott or Moore when they were younger & still had juice. When Hearns got the title from Cuevas he fought a has been champ that was finished & destroyed him. Rock fought a has been champ who was spent & had it been a 12 rnd fight, Rock would have still lost B/C the old man gave it all he had & was WAY ahead on points after 12. U WANT Rock 2 B tuff B/C of the same reason
@WillieRobb1 Rocky wasn't a pro when Louis, Walcott and Moore were in their primes.
Walcott lost fair and square. If anything, Rocky winning PROVES he was a "brutal puncher."
Rock is part of the 10 best Heavyweights of all time. Get over it.
Rocky retired when he was 31 because he promised his family he would. He was never interested in money for fame. He was just a good boxer doing it for sport.
Rocky would probably beat Patterson. But they were friends at Rock wanted someone else
@crowley0312 Fleischer ranked him N top 10 when Fleischer KNEW Rock should not have been N top 100, THEN. NOW there have been so many others greater than Rock. He quit after just turning 31, but U claim 39 & 42 yr old guys were worthy opponents. After he retired, they offered him MORE MONEY THAN he had made N his entire career from the ring 4 1 fight w/Pattison who turned H W. Rock again said NO. He had NO PROBLEM fighting a washed up Louis, Walcott, Moore & a sick Charles but he
@WillieRobb1 to get their fair share of the title. He was even commentating on Patterson-Moore and said that Floyd is new champion before the fight was over. Marciano never took more credit than he deserved.
Moore and Ali WERE friends. But they split up after several disagreements.
Ali was even talking his usual thrash before the fight. He was completly ready to KO Moore. He was called The Old Mongoose for a reason. He was ageless. Not even Dempsey and Tyson could KO him in the 1st.
@crowley0312 wasn't about to fight anyone with boxing ability. Rock was a BUM; RIP.
Archie Moore was an old friend and trainer of Ali's. That fight was merely giving a down on his luck friend a pay day. He treated it as an exhibition and was not trying to hurt Moore's pride NOR his physical being. Rock was fighting one of ONLY four of the big names fighters of his career.
Rock WAS A BUM, RIP.
You are a BUM lover; you probably think Bobick was a hard puncher.
@WillieRobb1 If the white experts aren't good enough for you, let's look at some black experts.
Ali became impressed by how well Marciano could box when they spared. Keep in mind Rocky was the old one. He was slipping past Ali's jab to get inside him, much to Ali's impressment. Ali later went on to say Marciano hit harder than Frazier.
Frazier had copied Marciano's training techniques. He even ran the same distance as him and fought similar. Frazier was also impressed by Rock's ability.
@WillieRobb1 Foreman: "He was relentless. Bell would ring, he'd be right on you. Bell would ring, he'd stop. Bell would ring, he'd be right back on you." Foreman was also impressed with Marciano's intensity.
Face it bro. Historians who were at ringside for almost every champion rated Rocky among the best and the best rated Rocky among themselves.
@crowley0312 Who said anything about their prime? Walcott turned pro on 9/9/30. Walcott NEVER was a tough guy but his BEST period was 2/45 - 6/47 when he went 15-2, stopping 8 of them. AFTER 6/47 Walcott LOST 5 of his next 10. He was naturally punched OUT by then. Rock was 25-0 in 49, but he STILL wasn't trying 2 face a fighter like Walcott. He waited until he saw Walcott who had lost 2 Charles B/F Charles got sick, Walcott LUCKED OUT & beat a sick Charles, then N 52, Rock said,
@crowley0312 "Hey, an OLD MAN who ONLY HAS THE TITLE B/C HE BEAT A SICK MAN has the title. I think I'll fight 4 the title". THAT'S the ONLY reason Marciano EVER challenged 4 the title & DEFINITELY the only reason he ever HAD the title. N 49, Rock was 26, Moore was 36 but that wasn't old enough 4 Rock. Rock waited til he was 42, THEN, I'll try you now. U NEVER had the gloves on N UR life. THERE IS no such thing as a good OLD FIGHTER. That's like saying Tina Turner & Cher look good.
@crowley0312 They look good FOR THEIR AGES, 70 & 64. Moore would have beat the crap out of ANY 42 yr old, but a guy who had just turned 32, 20 days B/F the fight. I will beat the CRAP out of ANY1 39 or older, BUT, if I was dumb enough or gung-ho enough 2 have 21 professional fights by the time I'm 42.9 mos, I'm SURE I will be punched out enough that a 31/32 yr old BUM with a hard chin but can't box a lick, will take everything I give him until I can't hold my arms up & he finds an
@crowley0312 opening 4 the shot. OF COURSE Fleischer rated Armstrong the best Welter weight, he was. If U R a SUPPOSED boxing expert & EVERYTHING U say is rooted N racism, NO1, not even other racists R going 2 put any weight N what U say. Imagine a clown saying Byrd was the best B-ball player, West was 2nd & Maravich was 3rd. EVERY1 would KNOW he's just a racist FOOL. BUT if a racist claimed Byrd was best & Jordan was 2nd, then says N football Jim Brown was best & Title was 2nd SOME
@crowley0312 people will THINK he's seen some stats the rest of us haven't. IT IS NOT AT ALL HARD 2 accept that a white fighter beat several Black fighters & retired undefeated, when U KNOW the Black guys he beat were like Applegate, 11-14-2 when Rock was 34-0 & a 42 yr old man who had already 175 fights & was punched OUT. While Rock had been 32 for 20 days, w/48 fights. RIGHT NOW I KNOW 50 guys who go 2 the gym lace 'em up. Some have turned pro. I have a MBA, I train B/C I love
@crowley0312 the game. Some of these guys want 2 fight B/C THEY FEEL it's their ONLY way 2 own a home or a new car. If I line them up1 a day for 50 days, I'd go 50-0 LIKELY with 40 or more KOs N a 3 rnd fight. NO, I DON'T have 1 white guy on my top 10 HW list. But, some of my best friends R white guys. I DO NOT COUNT OR RESPECT THE FAKES who fought B/F Blacks were allowed N pros. UNLESS U face the BEST competition, U CAN'T B 1 OF THE BEST. THEREFORE my top 10 list is Ali, Foreman,
I DID NOT bring up President Obama. It's strange that U read what I wrote & U THOUGHT THAT was bringing up Obama. I BROUGHT UP the racists who will say ANYTHING B/C OF THEIR RACISM so THEY CLAIM they don't B/L he is an American when the truth is, they just want ANY REASON 2 get him out of the W H. U claim B/C those racists were @ ringside, that makes their CLAIMS valid. U WOULD think that. BUT the facts
@crowley0312 racists heard the USSC ruling N Brown v Bd of Ed but they STILL resisted school integration. Racists saw the video of 4 white guys, armed w/clubs & a stun gun, beating the crap out of an unarmed & fallen Rodney King but they still said NOT GUILTY; so DON'T TELL ME ABOUT RACISTs BEING THERE, they R STILL RACISTS & WHAT THEY DO & SAY IS STILL based on their racist feelings. Foreman fought a bunch of bums in his early career. MOST fighters fight a few bums N early fights
@crowley0312 had he retired at 37-0, he would have been undefeated but he would have the record of an UNDEFEATED BUM. Nstead, he went on 2 smash 1 of the greatest H Ws N history, Knocking him down 6 times then out N 5" 26 sec. SMASHED Norton N 5 min, smashed Lyle, smashed Frazier AGAIN & at 45.10 mos, managed 2 KO Moorer. THAT is the difference B/T Foreman & Rock. Foreman, went 69-2 at age 41.8 mos, 1 loss was 2 Ali 2 whom Rock would have went 0-49 had he faced Ali 49 times OR Louis
@crowley0312 OR Liston, Hell, OR Bonavena, Chuvalo, or Cooney. Rock was a BUM. & Any1 who claims he was not a BUM must be either a racist, or a Meth-head who doesn't know which way is up. U can't B great UNLESS U beat great fighters. U can't PROVE U R a hard puncher UNLESS U KO guys who R HARD 2 KO. KOing winos, sick guys, old guys & plain BUMS whom EVERY1 else is KOing only proves U can do what ANY1 can do. THAT DOESN'T MAKE GREATNESS, that proves U R a BUM!
@crowley0312 Ali Frazier & Foreman were Black fighters who knew the perils that waited 4 ANY Black man N the fight game, or 4 that matter, N ANY public arena.who defamed THE HOLY ROCK. Holmes did it. THEN even though he had beat the HOLY CRAP out of Cooney -clear 2 C 2 any1 who watched the fight or the film; they were trying 2 STEAL the belt from him & give it 2 Cooney. Had Cooney just managed somehow 2 stay on his feet til fight's end, HE would have had his hand raised as he was
Foreman said that a few years ago in a ESPN countdown for a top 20 p4p boxers list. He had nothing to lose or gain, just spoke his mind.
Frazier's respect for Marciano is obvious because he modeled his fighting style after him and copied how he trained.
Ali said whatever was on his mind. He spoke negatively on many former champions, including Dempsey (Who was more popular than Marciano). If he thought Marciano a lucky bum, he'd say so.
I know what your thinking: "He just siad that cause da black man culdnt talk down to ta whit man!"
Keep in mind Marciano died a few years earlier. That's a big reason why Holmes' was critized. And because Marciano was history and Holmes was an active fighter. If Klitsckho said Ali couldn't carry his jockstrap after Ali died, he'd get hell.
Pretty low of you to accuse the judges of "saving" Marciano's record. I never heard one compliant about the scoring.
@crowley0312 ahead ON ALL cards. NOT EVEN a blind man REALLY thought Cooney won a single rnd. Fortunately, Cooney was unable 2 endure that tremendous beating & they had 2 pull Holmes off him 2 stop a homicide. N the Spinks fight, Holmes outpointed Spinks, but they GAVE it 2 Spinks 2 stop Holmes at 48-0 & make him 48-1 so they could preserve that Bum beating record. Ali complimented Rock B/C Rock was gone & it really made NO DIFFERENCE what he said, EXCEPT that if he would've defamed
@crowley0312 Rock, he would have received negative press himself & he was smart enough 2 know it, the same w/Frazier & George. Ali told an interviewer when asked if he could have beat Tyson N Ali’s prime, "I would have NEVER been able 2 beat Tyson B/C Tyson hits 2 hard". Tyson told the same interviewer, "You must not follow boxing; NO MAN could've beat Ali in his prime". Good 4 U. U finally understand. ANY crap U come up with 2 CLAIM a BUM & an OLD MAN beater should B considered
@WillieRobb1 Really? I've heard Ali say about Tyson, "He's good, but he's no Ali." He also picked Mike Spinks to beat Tyson.
I've also heard Tyson say that Ali and Frazier would be labeled bums to ("To" reffering to Joe Louis' Bum of the Month Club) if they were around to challenge Louis.
Tyson also said Marciano is one of the all time greats. He's always been respectful when he talked about other fighters (who he didn't face).
@crowley0312 U R either TRULY stupid OR U R truly a determined defender of racism. Foreman is an entrepreneur, he wants 2 sell grills, he wants his other businesses 2 do well. They damn sure wouldn't if he called The Great White Legend A Bum & said I could've KOd all Marcianos opponents 4 a day 4 13 days. GTFOOH! Dempsey HAS NEVER been a bigger hero 2 racists than Marciano. Plus Dempsey's OWN TRAINER admitted HE soaked Dempsey's wraps N plaster B/F wrapping his hands so no sense N
@crowley0312 any1 trying 2 make Dempsey their hero. Criticizing Dempsey is safe. Ali spoke what was on his mind B/F they stole his title & 3 yrs from his career, forcing him 2 miss breaking Joe's rec. Afterwards he still hyped the gate on his fights & because he did, he made more money than any fighter B/F him from the ring & HE opened the door 4 these 25,000,000.00 fights. After the fight, he had something good 2 say about all opponents EXCEPT Pattison & Terrell. Holmes had called
@crowley0312 Rock a BUM B/F the Spinks fight & said he kept fighting bums like Lowry who he chose as an opponent when he was 20-0, while Lowry had only won 58 of 115 fights. Then 13 mos later, when Rock was now 29-0; Lowry had had 11 MORE fights, only winning 4 of them & Rock said, "Hey, he deserves a rematch". Racists can SAY ANY thing they want. The figures PROVE Rock was not looking 4 competition, Rock, (like EVERY BUM) was looking 4 an easy win. Holmes pointed this out, B/F the
@WillieRobb1 Nigga shut the fuck up. Your just another whiny black bitch who can't stand a white fighter getting success "Critizing Dempsey was safe," he was considered the best Heavyweight of all time at the time you hoe.
@crowley0312 Every1 puts plaster on their wraps. I C, U NOT ONLY have never been N the ring, U've never been near anything but books & internet reports about boxing. Putting plaster on UR wraps is ILLIGAL AND it CAN'T BE DONE anymore N boxing B/C they have an official WATCHING the hand wrap. U DUMB ASS, if making U look like the stupid redneck U R wasn’t so much fun, I would’ve cut U loose long ago.
That's the way U trailer trash peckerwoods always start, THEY TOLD U at the Klan
@WillieRobb1 Everyone put plaster on their wraps and tons of other shit 100 YEARS AGO. Course, people are paid off today all the time to turn a blind eye at PEDs and bribed judges. No sport has never been 100% clean.
@crowley0312 Spinks fight. THAT’s why they gave that decision 2 Spinks. He later apologized B/C HE is a business owner & he was feeling the pressure. I have a picture of myself N the ring over my desk. I have clients N my office who say, "U were a fighter, huh? Who do U think would win B/T Ali & Marciano if they were both N their prime"? I say, "It’s hard 2 say; they were N different eras; a lot was different then; it’s hard 2 say". IF I TOLD THEM THE TRUTH, "R U NUTS? They would
@crowley0312 have 2 pull Ali off him NO LATER than 3rd; Rock didn't have the boxing skills of Quarry & U C how he destroyed Quarry" then I’d lose NOT ONLY THAT valuable contract, but all his racist buddies contracts as well. I LOVE Mike Spinks. I picked Spinks over Tyson at the time B/C I was a boxer N amateurs, NOT a slugger. I thought Spinks boxing Ability would be 2 much 4 Tyson, but Tyson's power proved 2 much 4 Spinks. I KNOW HOW 2 judge fights. I have the tape of the Holmes
@WillieRobb1 So an out of shape and elderly Marciano could hold his own against Ali but a prime Marciano would lose in three rounds? Marciano would fuck Ali up. Frazier copied Marciano and won the only fight they were in their prime for.
@crowley0312 Spinks fight. It was a good hard fought fight but Larry won. AND MAYBE B/C I don't live or associate among predominately racists, I HEAR THAT from most boxing knowledgeable(s). I would not be surprised if U could find somewhere the interview B/T Ali & Tyson when both made those comments. Just SAY, I hadn't married my childhood sweetheart who insisted, as did my family, "U have no reason 2 B getting UR brains knocked out like so many fighters. U can make money with your
@crowley0312 mental skills”. So SAY I turned pro; say I won the H W Title; say I was white. I would NEVER N Public or on a recording make negative statements about ANY FIGHTER. U just don’t do that 2 yourself. Both Klits are BUMS, neither can box. If they were 6’ or 5’ 11’ even many of the BUMS they have fought N this, the weakest fight era since the early 50s would've beat them. THEY DO know how to use their height against shorter men, but that's why an OLD 6' 4" Lewis was able 2
@crowley0312 KNOCK Klit’s eye out his head. I STILL would say N public, "Klit's record speaks 4 itself". IT DOES. I’m telling the truth, but most naïve fools R going 2 misunderstand me. The record shows a BUM beating some worse BUMS.
Rocky was (IT LOOKS LIKE) a decent guy. He WAS NOT a great boxer.
Tyson was personally an A-hole. He likely has mental problems but N his prime he was a GREAT boxer.
Michael Jordan was the GREATEST basketball player, as a man, he's an Uncle Tom.
@WillieRobb1 Lennox got one lucky punch and was getting his ass kicked the rest of the fight.
Are you physicaly and mentaly capable of naming a white guy who wasn't a "BUM?"
Tyson is actually a very nice guy. He made several mistakes like most humans, but before and after the whole 90s scandle, he's been a really nice and humble guy.
Why the fuck do you keep bringing up Michael Jordan?
@WillieRobb1 I recommend you watch Muhammad Ali Talks About Rocky Marciano. Your favorite boxer thought very highly of him.
Ali showed respect to Rocky after their computer fight when they sparred. Ali was flat out shocked by how well Rocky could slip his jab and even more by how strong he was and how hard he could hit.
Eddie Ross was 15-0-1 and considered a hot prospect when he met 4-0 Marciano. 1 round later Eddie Ross was carried out and never truly recovered.
never before been N the ring (amateur or pro) & never after.
At 32-0, Rock's opponent was 8-8-1; at 33-0, his opponent was 3-13-3, at 34-0, his opponent was 13-15-1; at 35-0, Rock's opponent was 11-14-2, etc.
So tell me, how does a guy who will ONLY step in the ring with BUMS (actual wine head bums) & OLD men rate with U as a historical great fighter? B/C he retired 49-0?
ANY 1 can line up 25 blind men & 24 cripple guys & go 49-0.
A GREAT fighter beats great opponents. Rock NEVER beat a
good lord ive never heard a boxing glove pop that loud off of someones face
MOBMACABRECLAN 17 hours ago
in ten minutes of tyson knock outs you have about 40 massive knock outs... in this one about lewis you have about 5 and the others are repeated... even his gloryfication videos are boring... gosh i am glad he is gone... he never come back - most boring heavyweight boxer in history of mankind
RETRoSPEKTaOfficial 2 days ago
Cool video, i like it... Lewis was the last big champ, i miss him...
Silver73Stone 6 days ago
Scorecard
Posted: Tuesday May 14, 2002 5:51 PM
Q+A: George Foreman
With the June 8 Mike Tyson-Lennox Lewis bout coming up, we grilled HBO boxing announcer George Foreman
By Richard Deitsch
SI: What's your pick for Tyson-Lewis?
Foreman: If Tyson comes in at 222 pounds or under, I give him the edge. I'll take him in a knockout. Three rounds.
SI: In your prime how quickly do you knock out Lewis?
Foreman: Two rounds.
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 1 week ago
Tyson, Ali, Lewis. My top 3.
SteveDutchy 1 week ago 2
He really stood out as the first of the big athletic heavyweights. After his era I don't think there will be another champ that weights under 225 and is under 6'3". he definately fought whoever came at him. and fought past his prime... but still went out a winner. The McCall and Rahman losses mar his legend , and he was smart enough to retire than fight a rematch against Klitschko, who would have destroyed him at that stage,
SuperGetitgotitgood 2 weeks ago
@SuperGetitgotitgood
Lennox was so infatic with the Rahman rematch that it helped his legacy
The Mccall defeat was a disaster as Lewis then missed out on the really big fights of the mid 90's against Bowe, Tyson, Moorer and prior to 1999, Holyfield
If Lewis had got with Manny earlier, then he would have beaton Mccall easily and could have beaton Bowe in 93, Holyfield in 94 and Tyson in 1996 and then remained undisputed champ for 5 years and retired as an unbeaton & greatest heavyweight ever.
opera123able 1 week ago
dont care what anyone says - when this man was fired up the rest could forget it.
Hitchcock10 2 weeks ago
baddest hreavy-weight ever
smokeyvv 2 weeks ago
@smokeyvv .........NOT!
chrissline77 2 weeks ago
Lewis is the Last Great Heavy Weight...
otroe1 2 weeks ago
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Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown
Here are Lennox Lewis' most difficult opponents:
Evander Holyfield - Lennox cleverly waited until Holyfield was 37 years old to finally muster up the courage to fight him. Holyfield had already once retired with a congenital heart defect and looked a shadow of his late 90's-Early 90's prime. After Holyfield winning a controversial decision against Vaughn Bean in 1998, Lennox Lewis realised this was the "perfect moment" to face Evander Holyfield
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 3 weeks ago
How can Lewis accuse me of running? He is just a paper champion..
Jeff Powell
updated at 00:00 05 June 1998
'Get real. I'd much rather have fought Lewis than big Henry. Now I've got to go through one to get to the other. And for all their talk about ducking, the real reason why I'm being delayed in getting my third belt is because Lewis wouldn't agree to cut the kind of deal I took in order to get my first fight with Tyson.
'If Lewis really wants to, fine, come on. Stop quibbling and do it.'
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 3 weeks ago
@JoeCalzagheTheCoward Wow is there not a video of lennox lewis you have not commented on i guest you dont have a job so you signed on or you just have alot of time
farcry2isthebest 2 weeks ago
Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis career breakdown
Here are Lennox Lewis' most difficult opponents
Evander Holyfield - Lennox cleverly waited until Holyfield was 37 years old to finally muster up the courage to fight him. Holyfield had already once retired with a congenital heart defect and looked a shadow of his late 90's-Early 90's prime. After Holyfield winning a controversial decision against Vaughn Bean in 1998, Lennox Lewis still needed a favour off the judges despite Holyfield being washed up
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 3 weeks ago
@JoeCalzagheTheCoward holyfield was the one who waited to fight lewis you no nuthink about boxing
ItsDatGirlJordz 3 weeks ago
@ItsDatGirlJordz How can Lewis accuse me of running? He is just a paper champion...
Jeff Powell
Last updated at 00:00 05 June 1998
'My record proves that I never duck anyone. And if I ever did, the last opponent I would duck is Lewis.
'He's made for me, the way he comes in upright.
Who does he think he is?
He calls himself a champion but he never had to beat a champion in the ring to get his title.
'And who's he fought compared to me? Ray Mercer beat him but was robbed of the decision.
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 3 weeks ago
@JoeCalzagheTheCoward lennox lewis was a true champion he beat everyone in his era the guys he didnt beat ducked him how can he not be the true champ if he beat everyone
ItsDatGirlJordz 3 weeks ago
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@ItsDatGirlJordzMonday, 19 November, 2001, 09:36 GMTLewis: Good but not great
yet to meet another ring legend at the peak of his power - the win against Holyfield came too late in both men's careers.
Lower tier
Five years after he retires, however, his name will fall from boxing's highest order.Lewis will join a lower tier of very good champions who were never truly great
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 3 weeks ago
Not a big lennox lewis fan but a big boxing fan that is not bias. In regards to Vitali-lewis. A few points. 1-That lennox was out of shape and very unmotivated. 2- Lennox Lewis loses more early rounds then any other champion in heavyweight history. It's not rare at all for him to be dominated early and still win. Even round 1 vs Tyson he lost. If you pay close attention to Round 5 against vitali you can see lennox won that one and is coming back. 3-Vitali's eye was going blind
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Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown
Here are Lennox Lewis most difficult opponents:
Mike Tyson - June 2002 This is Lennox's biggest con. Tyson, destroyed by British clubfighters Danny Williams and Kevin McBride more decisively than Lennox Lewis who took 8 rounds to literally push an exhausted overweight 235lbs Mike Tyson to the canvas. This is not surprising, he'd boxed just 18 rounds in 6 yrs and was pictured 03/2002 in the National Enquirer smoking marijuana with hippies in Hawaii
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Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown
Here are Lennox Lewis' most difficult opponents:
Hasim Rahman - A fighter who didn't even take up boxing until the age of 20, making his pro debut at 22 in 1994 a guy with no punch resistance, not just been ko'd, but out of the ring in 1999 by Oleg Maskaev. Lennox got ko'd in 5 Hasim Rahman 2 - Lennox won in 4 in a 2001 rematch, so poor was Hasim Rahman that he didn't win another fight until a 2004 U/D "HBO Ballroom Boxing" match with 41yo Al Cole
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 3 weeks ago
i dont care what any 1 says mike tyson is and always will be the greatest fighter you put lennox lewis against tyson in his prime no question down goes lewis !!!!!
TheLGG23 3 weeks ago
@TheLGG23 yeah tyson wins but only when he bites some ears again...
TechZism 3 weeks ago
Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown
Here are Lennox Lewis' most difficult opponents:
Oliver McCall - Oliver was 29 years old and stopped Lennox easily in the 2nd round. However in 1996 he fell into Crack Cocaine-Alcohol Problems. He had 3 drug related arrests and was under house arrest / drug rehab since December 15th 1996. Coward Lennox Lewis decided it was now "safe" to face Oliver McCall who would surely have knocked him out easily again if he was not in the throes of drug addiction
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 3 weeks ago
@JoeCalzagheTheCoward whats wrong wiv u hater, lets face it ur more of a coward hiding on a youtube comments section slating him. he had a pretty good record - anyway the klitschko bros always play it safe and thats the way it is.
macgize 3 weeks ago
@macgize By fighting at 40+ yrs old and willing to face anybody out there? I suppose you think Holyfield played it safe too?
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 3 weeks ago
@JoeCalzagheTheCoward u write this same shit all the time why not say this when your interview after winning a world title? o ye because your a bitch and couldnt win a fight never mind a pro fight
ItsDatGirlJordz 3 weeks ago
@ItsDatGirlJordz If I had it given to me just like Lennox did? Why not?
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 3 weeks ago
@JoeCalzagheTheCoward because your not ranked number 1 by the wbc lennox got avoided so that means they strip the champ and give the belt to the number 1 ranked guy
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Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown
Here are Lennox Lewis' most difficult opponents:
Hasim Rahman - A fighter who didn't even take up boxing until the age of 20, making his pro debut at 22 in 1994 a guy with no punch resistance, not just been ko'd, but out of the ring in 1999 by Oleg Maskaev. Lennox got ko'd in 5. Lennox won in 4 in a 2001 rematch, so poor was Hasim Rahman that he didn't win another fight until a 2004 U/D "HBO Ballroom Boxing" match with 41yo Al Cole
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 3 weeks ago
soo underated.generally by people who know fuck all about boxing
MrBazda 3 weeks ago
who gives a shit bell ends
dewy9uk 3 weeks ago
thugs
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Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown Here are Lennox Lewis most difficult opponents Evander Holyfield Lennox cleverly waited until Holyfield was 37 years old to finally muster up the courage to fight him. Holyfield had already once retired with a congenital heart defect and looked a shadow of his late 90s-Early 90s prime. After Holyfield winning a controversial decision against Vaughn Bean in 1998 Lennox Lewis realised this was the "perfect moment" to face Evander Holyfield
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Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown Here are Lennox Lewis' most difficult opponents: Ray Mercer - 1996 - Mercer was 35. So poor was his record, he hadn't won a fight for 3 yrs, a controversial SD against Jesse Ferguson in 1993. He was also outclassed by a 43 yo Larry Holmes in 1991. Mercer dominated and was clearly robbed. Naturally Mercer wanted a rematch offering to donate his all his $10m purse to Charity (Project Pride-Newark). Amazingly the Vulture Lennox Lewis refused!
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 1 month ago
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Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown Here are Lennox Lewis' most difficult opponents: Hasim Rahman - A fighter who didn't even take up boxing until the age of 20, making his pro debut at 22 in 1994 a guy with no punch resistance, not just been ko'd, but out of the ring in 1999 by Oleg Maskaev. Lennox got ko'd in 5 Hasim Rahman 2 - Lennox won in 4 in a 2001 rematch, so poor was Hasim Rahman that he didn't win another fight until a 2004 U/D "HBO Ballroom Boxing" match with 41yo Al Cole
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 1 month ago
payback...YANK CUNTS!! wheres your heavyweight champion?.......shhhhhh!!!
barnsey85 1 month ago
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@barnsey85LEWIS WARNED: THIS IS FOR REAL. Author: Dillon, John Publication: The Mirror (London, England) Date: Sep 25, 1998 LENNOX Lewis was reminded here last night of the harsh truth that he has waded to the top of the world through a pile of washed up drunks and junkies. "Lionel Butler was on drugs, Oliver McCall was in and out of rehabilitation with drug and booze problems and Tommy Morrison went on drinking binges before the fight," said Steward.
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 1 month ago
@barnsey85 wow really? we had almost all of them. where is your david haye ? oh thats right he is hiding now.
LadySpy120 4 weeks ago
thx, you know the title ? ;)
bertdefauw 1 month ago
@bertdefauw the payback
Snortthesweetener 1 month ago
What's the song and artist of the first 2.00 minutes.
bertdefauw 1 month ago
@bertdefauw pretty sure its James Brown..
daddio507 1 month ago
why do you think emmauel stewart soo wanted to work with lennox.Because he knew how great lewis could be.And thats exactly what he became.Anyone who thins different Does not know boxing
MrBazda 1 month ago
would u guys shut up
FIGHTFANNERD3 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Holmes was pissed off when he said Rocky couldn't carry his jockstrap because he lost his title when he came close to breaking Marciano's undefeated streak and Louis' title defense streak.
He would later say, "I want to offer my apologies to Rocky Marciano's family for the remarks I made at the press conference."
"He was one of the greatest fighters of all time. His 49-0 record speaks for itself. If I hurt Rocky Marciano's family, I regret it."
He also asked to speak with
crowley0312 1 month ago
Lewis wants revenge on drunken druggie Oliver
Dillon John
(London, England)
Date: Jan 5 1997
McCall has hardly been seen in public since he entered a drugs rehabilitation clinic in North Carolina last Autumn to fight cocaine and marijuana problems.
When he did surface, he was promptly arrested for slinging a Christmas tree across a hotel foyer in Nashville.
His erratic behaviour means no-one is quite sure what shape or frame of mind he'll be in when he turns up to meet Lewis next month.
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 1 month ago
Lennox "The Vulture" Lewis: career breakdown
Here are Lennox Lewis' most difficult opponents:
Ray Mercer - 1996 - Mercer was 35. So poor was his record, he hadn't won a fight for 3 yrs, a controversial SD against Jesse Ferguson in 1993. He was also outclassed by a 43 yo Larry Holmes in 1991. Mercer dominated and was clearly robbed. Naturally Mercer wanted a rematch offering to donate his all his $10m purse to Charity (Project Pride-Newark). Amazingly the Vulture Lennox Lewis refused!
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 1 month ago
Where was lewis from 89 to 93?He was sparring and drawing with tyson in 1984.He was also older.How many years did he really need to mature? 7?,8? nah.he was a coward first half of his career.
fadethetrade 1 month ago
@fadethetrade Tyson is a year older than Lewis and the youngest HW champion of all time, so Tyson's pace at which he fought is almost unmatched in that division. Plus Lewis was to busy winning the Olympic gold medal to become a pro in '84, you troll. Anyone who questions the courage of any man brave enough to step into the ring professionally is the true coward.
fukanesedragon 1 month ago
@fukanesedragon You have to get your facts straight schmuck.Lewis is a ayear older.look it up dummy.He said in an interview he didnt want to fight tyson when tyson was 19 already."no way,he sadi,"he was an animal". I asked this question to another boxing expert as myself you troll! I know every stat in boxing.The fast is Lewis ran from 89 to 93 also from top contending contention .3 yrs from avoidng any household name until ruddock,shows his management were worried of his below averagae chin.
fadethetrade 1 month ago
Overrated chin,his chin was below average.Sorry lewis fans.That doesn't mean on a given night he couldn't beat ali but vs a young foreman 72-73,he might have had too much to handle.Young tyson early 88 could catch lewis.The mccal and Rahman fight cemented his chin as below average.
fadethetrade 1 month ago
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somekindaboi 1 month ago
lmao, FUBU
TheXtianearl 1 month ago
I just dont get it that some americans hate lennox becose he destroyed tyson when he wasnt in his prime, what lennox should do in that tyson fight,have a coffee break ha? lennox lewis is one of the greatest! he has only 2 losses and the first one was very contreversial lennox got up and was ready to fight, but the judge just stopped it. lennox lewis= SKILL CLASS ATHLETIC ABILITY some guys say that he cocky but how? they are just envious becose there cock is the size of that fucking disclike barr
ArSportsShow 1 month ago
To think David Haye could even think he would be like Lennox, seems totally obsurd. Lennox was the British Heavyweight champion Britian has ever produced, period.
dippydog 1 month ago
@dippydog He's not BRITISH. British people are WHITE and don't talk in a Canadian accent.
AussieFkinPride 1 month ago
@AussieFkinPride Listen he is British, he was born in West Ham (which is a part of London) Sounds like you abit of a nonse, and its abit bit riching coming from an Aussie,
dippydog 1 month ago
HE DOESN'T LOOK VERY BLOODY ENGLISH.
AussieFkinPride 1 month ago
@AussieFkinPride - Why do you say that?? Twat
TheChongmaster 1 month ago
All he could do is fight and beat whats infront of him! you will never know about ali and the rest of them because they were different erra's... lewis was an awesome champ
roosterbooster2011 1 month ago
what the song on at 1.15 I have hard it a million times but never remembe rit.
explainyouandme 2 months ago
great fighter... love lewis one of my favz..
006warlord 2 months ago
Lewis ready to even slate against McCall
1997 The Associated Press
LAS VEGAS (AP) -
'McCall, who was accompanied to Las Vegas by a drug counselor and who attends meetings of both Narcotics Anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous.
The legal problems include a parole violation stemming from an arrest in Chicago for possession of crack cocaine and marijuana, and an arrest for vandalism, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest in December in Nashville, Tenn.
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 2 months ago
i never saw lewis as a knockout fighter, he was a great tactical fighter.
theflightawayband 2 months ago
2:26 Plastic face
TheFrenchidscooter 2 months ago
great big wind bag,never fought anyone any good,if he'd have fought foreman frazier or ali they'd have knocked his head off.
MrT9alizee 2 months ago
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@MrT9alizee Lennox Lewis = Sponge Cake Chin
JoeCalzagheTheCoward 2 months ago
a great opponent B/C Rock NEVER fought a great opponent. Rock was a great Bum and OLD man beater. His proponents admit he couldn't box, but THEY CLAIM he was a HARD puncher. HOW WOULD WE KNOW. The guys Rock faced either had NO OTHER fights OR EVERY 1 was KOing them, EXCEPT the 3 OLD men & the sick guy. Even Ali, Louis, Holmes & ALL OF THEM got beat when they got OLD. Rock belong's on a list of 10 greatest CON MEN!
WillieRobb1 2 months ago
@WillieRobb1 You're a fucking idiot.
crowley0312 2 months ago
@crowley0312 What I AM is a man who knows boxing & I KNOW your hero, Marciano was a BUM, who in 49 fights, ONLY fought 4 old MEN & a bunch of bums.
SOME OF THEM were WINE HEAD BUMS, WHOM HAD NEVER BEFORE BEEN IN THE RING & never GOT N THE RING AFTER that 1 fight.
Rock (a bum himself) merely used them to pad his record. 49 - NOBODY.
What YOU ARE, is a jerk who's feelings are hurt because I pointed out what a BUM your hero was. NO ONE EVER claimed he was a good boxer, INSTEAD
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 HaHahahHAHhAhaha you are a fucking idiot.
Marciano fought the best he could find in his era and KO'd them. That's the most you can ever ask of any champion.
People hate on him because he's undefeated. If he had one loss, people would realize how good some of his opponents were. Louis trained hard and fought with everything he had left, he was even the slight favorite. Jersey Joe was winning on all cards when Rocky KO'd him. Ezzard Charles is often considered the best Light
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 His supporters TRIED 2 CLAIM he was a hard puncher because he had several KOs.
THEY FAILED TO MENTION that except for the 4 old men ALL of the guy's Rock KOed had been KOed numerous times before him & after him EXCEPT for the opponents he KOed who had NEVER fought anyone EXCEPT HIM & went back to skid row with their hundred dollar bill.
Rock was a BUM and U R the fan of a BUM.
Check his record & the records and ages of his opponents. U'll realize U R the idiot, IDIOT
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Heavyweight of all time and one of the top p4p of all time. He was only 32 and was still one of the best fully rounded fighters of all time. Archie Moore was an ageless warrior. He had over 40 wins as a HW against fighters ranging from bums to top contendeder and only 3 losses to Marciano, Patterson and Ali. The fact Rocky beat him puts him above bums and top contenders.
Marciano knocked his opponents out of the ring and into the audience most of the time. Only an idiot would
crowley0312 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 say he wasn't a hard puncher.
Now, lets talk about your god Lennox.
He was a complete pussy in the ring, hugging his opponents every few seconds and COMPLETLY relying on his over long reach.
He got KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT by an average fighter, Rahmen. he was only an ok fighter during his era's prime.
Because Lewis had such a cowardly fighting style, he was able to still fight decently past other fighter's prime. Can you honestly say the Tyson he fought wasn't a sad shadow
crowley0312 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 of his younger self? It's funny how things said about Marciano can easily be said about other boxers.
What about McCall the journeyman? He was a bum but made Lennox look like a super bum.
We all know the judges in the first Holyfield fight were paided off.
Lennox never had the balls to fight someone again who he already beat. Marciano gave everyone a rematch who was up for one. Lennox would take a lucky win (Vitali) and run like a little girl. That's YOUR hero!
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Pops Louis was favored B/C the entire boxing world KNEW what a BUM Rock really was. Walcott was ahead because Rock is a BUM but Walcott was 3 mos from 39 while Rock had turned 28 that mo; he ran out of gas. Louis retired B/C it was clear he was PUNCHED OUT. N 49 he got an S/D over Walcott; many said Walcott won. Louis KNEW it was true so he trained his hardest & gave it his all N the rematch & managed 2 get a KO; MORE B/C Walcott was NEVER a Louis, Ali or Foreman, than
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Louis was favored because no one knew Rocky yet and even at Louis' age, he still wanted to reclaim the title very badly. The Walcott win was 100% fair KO, unlike winning by a bullshit cut. Louis had the SD you retard, Rocky KO'd Walcott both times, 1st round the second time.
I'm not saying Louis was better than Marciano.
I have Louis ranked as the number 1 Heavyweight. Quit learning your shit off of Wikipedia.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 B/C he was STILL the BROWN BOMBER). Louis then fought the BUM Shkor, who lost 19 fights. When it took him 11 rnds 2 dispose of THAT BUM he KNEW he was NO LONGER a top tier fighter but merely a has-been & he retired. When the IRS took all his money & he was penniless HE HAD 2 RETURN 2 BOXING, but he WASN'T the BROWN BOMBER, he was just an OLD GUY named Joe Louis. THAT'S WHO ROCK fought & Rock KNEW that's who he was fighting. N 49 Rock was 23-0. Spinks asked 4 & won the
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 You CLEARLY don't know shit about boxing, no wonder your a Lewis fan. Fighter's don't get the title when they "ASK" for it, you fucking retard. Older fighters had to earn dozens of wins sometimes before they got a shot. Foreman didn't get one until he was 38-0. Marciano didn't have management, so he was mostly used to fight rising stars for the beginning fo his career. He beat every rising star put in front of him dumb fuck, enough with this old men crap.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 the title @ 7-0; Holyfield did it @ 11-O; Ali @ 19-0. Fighters WHO B/L they can fight ask 4 the belt as soon as they qualify. But Cooney asked 4 it @ 25-0; he had built his record LIKE ROCK by beating BUMS & OLD MEN. Holmes beat the crap out of him & KOd him. Bobick was 38-0 over old men & BUMS when he finally got the nerve 2 face some1 who could fight. Norton KOd his 38-0 @ss N 58 sec of the 1st rnd. When Rock was 7-0 his opponent was 1-4, @ 8-0 his opponent was 0-1.
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Cooney also fought everyone but in front of him. Lyle fought Young, Foreman and Ali but would later call Cooney the hardest hitter he ever fought.
Cooney put up a good fight against Holmes too. He was never the best, but should be remebered as a good fighter. He would kick your ass.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 From 32-0 - 35-0 his opponents were 8-8-1; 3-13-3; 13-15-1; 11-14-2.
HARD PUNCHER? Rock FAILED 2 KO Mogard, 19-16; FAILED 2 KO Lowry, (TWICE) 66-67-10 & KOd by other guys; FAILED 2 KO Applegate 11-14-2 & KOd by other guys. Meanwhile Rock repeatedly refused 2 fight Wallace who was among the guys who beat Rock N Amatuers. He also ducked Jackson 25-3-1 @ the time he was trying 2 fight Rock w/2 wins over Ezzard Charles. But U CLAIM he was fighting the best N his era. IDIOT
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Lennox was the ultimate pussy. He get his ass wooped in 2 rounds. It was only when everyone was older that he started to do good. You hate Rock for fighting old guys, yet you worship someone who beat a bunch of old and finished fighters LOL YOU FUCKING DUMBASS.
Some of Lewis' opponents: 11-12-1, 5-10-1, 11-30-5, 14-19-1, etc. FUCKIN IDiOT
SO EVERYONE WHO DOESN"T HAVE A 100% KO RATE ISNT A HARD PUNCHER? FuCKIN DUMBASS.
WALLACE beat Rocky in the amateurs because Rocky had
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Oh, & I forgot 2 mention Ezzard Charles was 32, BUT he was diagnosed as having Lou Gehrig's disease. Rock fought a sick man, who had never been more than a great Lt HW. Against good HWs Charles out pointed Walcott 1, but N 2 others he lost & got KOd.
He lost his 1st HW fight against Ray. Ray NEVER beat any1 with a name EXCEPT Charles. Charles was a great Lt HW who B/F he got sick was beating Lt Heavy(s) who were good. After he got sick, he NOT ONLY lost 2 the BUM Rock
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 NO experience. Wall was hardly a contender in pro. You think he ducked Johnson? Fucking idiot.
Charles best Walcott TWICE, not once. You clearly don't know jack about boxing. Stick to your Lennox action figures. Charles wasn't a "good Lt. Heav', he's considered THE BEST LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME.
This was also Walcott's prime, because he was hardly boxing in his 20's. THIS WAS WALCOTT AT HIS BEST.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 he lost 2 Hall, 12-12-4; Bethea, 9-4-2; He was forced 2 look 4 wins over Bums like Ashley, 3-9. Charles was NEVER a HW beater & when he fought Rock he was NOT a good fighter AT ALL.
He was sick & the records of the opponents he beat & lost 2, B/F & afterwards prove he WAS NOT THE SAME GUY. Moore was 42 while Rock had just turned 32, 20 days B/F that fight. Moore still knocked the Rock Bum down & it took 9 rnds B/F OLD MAN Moore was out of gas enough 2 lose 2 that BUM!
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 MOORE beat over 40 heavyweight contenders, only losing to HW champions. If Rocky was a bum, then how did he knock Moore down five times.
Watch Lewis vs. Rahmen. Now, tell me that is not THE PERFECT SPECIMEN OF A GLASS JAW BUM.
Mercer was 35. So poor was his record, he hadn't won a fight for 3 yrs, a controversial SD against Jesse Ferguson in 1993. He was
Lewis could only win by using his long ass reach against fighters once they became old and finished.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 also outclassed by a 43 yo Larry Holmes in 1991. Mercer dominated and was clearly robbed. Naturally Mercer wanted a rematch offering to donate his all his $10m purse to Charity (Project Pride-Newark).
Your hero Lennox was a BUM.
You sound like a dumbass calling Marciano's opponents old when Lewis' biggest wins were against people who could hardly walk.
FUCKING DUMBASS, GO BACK TO SUCK LENNOX THE BUMS DICK
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 What the HELL makes U THINK Lewis is something special 2 ME OR that UR dumb @ss insulting Lewis will hurt my feelings? Lewis was a good fighter who was LIGHT YEARS better than the BUM Marciano but he's not my favorite. MY FAVORITE is Muhammad Ali & don't bother trying 2 defame Ali. U'LL just reveal UR self as an even bigger idiot. Louis retired B/C HE KNEW & EVERY1 of his advisors told him he was punched out. HE DID NOT return 2 the ring B/C he wanted 2 re-win the title
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 What the HELL makes U THINK Marciano is something special 2 ME OR that UR dumb @ss insulting Marciano will hurt my feelings? I'm a Marciano fan because he was a brutal puncher who was never the favorite to win by critics. Yet he went undefeated. Sadly people hate people with success. Just look at Mayweather and Calzage. People would rather put down their opponents than accept they went undefeated. My favorite boxer is Marvin Hagler.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 He returned 2 the ring B/C the government CLAIMED he had failed 2 pay taxes on 100,000.00. He made that money doing exhibitions while N the service & DONATED it 2 the USO. WHO PAYS TAXES ON DONATED MONEY? Apparently no1 EXCEPT a Black ex HW champ. AFTER he HAD 2 return 2 the ring 2 keep from starving & pay penalties & interest on money that SHOULD HAVE NOT been taxable. THEN Rock who was 23-0 B/F Louis retired BUT didn't want 2 face a serious fighter, THEN Rock was more
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Yes, Louis HAD to return to the ring because of taxes. Btw, you know the IRS did this to lots of WWll veterens, right?
So Louis lost the title to Ezzard Charles, but still didn't pay off his debt. So he cheered himself up by thinking he could pay off his debt and become the first person to win the title twice.
Louis is my favorite HW and I'm sad this happend to him. But Marciano beat old-Louis fair and square.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 THAN WILLING 2 fight a HAS-BEEN w/a big name who had retired 2 yrs earlier. U say Louis was favored B/C NO1 knew Rock. If U R a fighter who is 37-0 & NO1 knows U. U R A BUM! & that's what Rock was! U SAY the Walcott win was 100% fair. A guy 20 days from 31 fighting a guy 3 mos from 39. Have U ever been N the ring? IF SO, have U EVER been N the ring at 39? I DOUBT IT; U wouldn't seem so stupid if U had. Those fights U listed 4 Lewis were HIS 1st 4 fights. Let's look at
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
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@WillieRobb1 Rock wasn't "MORE THAN WILLING" to fight "an HAS-BEEN."
Marciano idolized Louis and didn't want to fight him. Nonetheless, it would get Marciano a title shot and pay off Louis' debt, so both took the fight dispite not wanting too.
"If U R a fighter who is 37-0 & NO1 knows U. U R A BUM!"
No shit no one knew him. No one knew Ali before he fought Liston. Now one knows he before you win a title.
Louis was favored because he WAS a champion and was a hero to his country.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Rock's 1st fight. Epperman, a homeless wino who was not a boxer; NEVER fought B/F or after Rock. Rock's 2nd - 10th, 3-6; 1-1; 8-0; 15-0-1; 4-2; 1-4; 0-1; 3-2; 8-5; 3-4; NOW let’s look at Lewis' 1st 10. 11-12-1; 5-10-1; 11-30-5; 13-10-1; 14-19-1; 21-7; 19-11; 13-4; 18-2-1; 14-3. EVERY1 N the boxing world KNOWS the 1st 10 fights R development stage. Lewis' 1st 10 opponents had a total of 257 fights, w/139 wins. Rocks 1st 10 opponents had a a total of 52 fights w/35 wins.
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 After Rock won a title, there were varius opinions on him. Let's look at what the experts thought.
Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll rated Rocky #7 Heavyweight of all time.
Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at #10 HW. If someone who saw every champ from Corbett-Frazier rates you #10, you must have been good.
Charley Rose rated him at # 8
McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 NOW WHO was looking 2 develop, & who was looking 2 B a Bum beating BUM himself. He chose opponents w/NO ring experience & NO boxing ability. ROCK WAS A BUM'S BUM! Show me a good fighter who is 37-0 but is the underdog against a HAS BEEN that the Detroit News wrote about N '49. "Louis is finished; he should retire 4 his own good". UR HERO was a BUM. U KNOW THAT, so U must be a bum as well. I'll bet U were something like 2-12 N amateurs B/F UR mother MADE U QUIT!
FAG!
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 “Critics do not rate Rocky with the great ones, like Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, and Louis. He never faced topnotch fighters like they did. It was not Rocky’s fault, of course, that there was not much talent when he was fighting. He fought them all and that is what a champion is supposed to do.” - John Durant, author of The Heavyweight Champions
Experts see Marciano's talent.
I could call everyone Ali and Lewis fought a bum, but that wouldn't be constructive. Idiot.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 What makes me think Rock is something special 2 U? I exposed Rock N comments directed 2 some1 else. U jumped 2 the attack N defense of Rock. There IS NO defense 4 a "supposed" fighter who NEVER beat a quality opponent. Ali is great B/C he won the title from the most feared man N boxing at the time, who was on a string of 26 wins w/23 KOs. His total rec was 35-1; losing only 2 Marshall who broke Listons’ jaw N the 2nd. Liston still finished the fight & lost a S/D; came
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 I jumped in because I wanted to defend Rock. I just said I'm a Marciano fan. You just don't want to accept that Marciano is a legend. You can insult his opponents all you want, it doesn't change the fct that the biggest historians in boxing gave Marciano his well deserved place in the top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time.
Your just a pissed of little prick. You don't know shit about boxing compared to Fleiser, Ross, McCallum,etc. You don't know shit about boxing compared to
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 back & stopped Marshall N 6. Ali beat Frazier 2 of 3 & stopped him N the 3rd. He defended his title 9 times N a 22 mo period B/F they STOLE IT. He had said he planned to fight 26 defenses 2 break Louis' record. He beat Foreman & CONTRARY 2 popular lies; it was Foreman who didn't want a rematch. After the fight Foreman went & hid N the Mountains somewhere 4 19 mos. Frazier is great B/C NO ONE ever beat him except Ali & Foreman. Foreman is great B?C he destroyed Smoking
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 anyone though. So Ali planned 26 title defenses? Ok, I planned over 100 defenses of all 17 undisputed belts. That must make me the greatest of all time, right?
Ali should have had the chance to see if he could beat Louis' record, but he didn't even get half way and a lot could happen in that time. He could have easily gotten his career ended from an unlucky punch. But clearly your one of those dickriders who thinks Ali is god in human form.
Also, it's a fact Ali ducked a rematch
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Joe, Norton, Lyle,Quawi & Chuvalo. N 93 fights NO ONE else KOd Chuvalo excext Frazier. Ali beat BOTH Frazier & Foreman, stopped them both. Several white guys had iron jaws. Chuvalo, Cobb, LaMotta (B/F he got punched out). I B/L Rock also could take a punch. THAT I believe was his ONLY redeeming quality as a fighter. He could withstand the punches of the old men & BUMS he was fighting & by only having one strategy, i.e. move forward like a rock-um-sock-um robot, he made
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 with Foreman. Even ali will tell you that. Can't blame him, rope-a-dope wouldn't have worked a second time around.
If your calling Rocky a bum, you're as good as calling Lord Ali an idiot.
After sparing with Rock, Ali was deeply impressed by how well Marciano could move away from his jabs and that he could make him feel numb from just sparing. And at an old age!
You keep calling Marcianos opponents old men, but they were the best of the time. Rocky couldn't go in a time
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 his opponents constantly throw punches & tire. Then he was able 2 end the fight. I knocked out a bum named Jessie Daniels N 64 sec. He was my 1st fight. He was a BUM. N later fights I went thru the 3rd 2 the finish w/the win, but NO KO. They were better fighters. Not good enough 2 win but smart enough 2 keep their chins moving. I'm 39. N April I KOd a 19 yr old N sparring. (I don't fight, just train). It wasn't even a hard punch, just sharp, but he was cocky & he should
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 machine and fight skilled fighters. If your gonna be a whinny little bitch and keep calling all rock's opponents old, then theres no point in talking to you. your a whinny little bitch who's hating on rocky. He already won before he got in the ring, not because of his bragging, or mouth, but by the sheer will to go forward.
All of his opponents had many more years experience than Rocky did. He was walking into the ring after boxing a few years. Rocky's earned a spot as one of the
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 NOT be trying to be a boxer. ANYONE can line up some misfits, winos, sick guys & has beens & go undefeated. I do B/L Rock had a hard chin. I C NO evidence he was a brutal puncher. If so, he would have KOd the bums I mentioned earlier whom others were KOing & he couldn't. He would have KOd 42 yr old Moore N the 1st. I admit the early 50s was the weakest era N boxing history. If Rock was a brutal puncher, ALL 49 of the 3rd rate fights he had should have ended N the 1st.
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 all time greats.
If Rocky wasn't a brutal puncher, Enstien was an idiot. Just saying Rocky didn't punch hard proves you are a complete fucking idiot. Rocky KO'd nearly everyone he fought. I guess since Foreman and Frazier don't have 100% KO's, they must have punched like little bitches.
If you think it's that easy to KO a boxer in the first round, your officialy the dumbest person I've ever met. After all of Moore's ring experience, it would almost be impossible to knock him
crowley0312 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 in the first round.
Hell, it took Ali 4 rounds to KO Moore. Moore was SUPER ancient by then. If Ali could knock out a 56 year old Moore in the first round, he must have been the biggest pussy to ever lace up the glove. Fucking retard.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Calling U an idiot is an insult 2 idiots. U NOT ONLY KNOW NOTHING about boxing; U KNOW NOYHING about life. Fleischer was a foaming racist. IF some fool would have B/L it, HE would have said Rock was the greatest fighter N history. Rock was a white guy. He PERSONALLY seems 2 have been a descent human being but racists did what they always do, TRY 2 MAKE THE WHITE BOY GREAT, EVEN when he's a bum like Cooney was at 25-0 & Bobick at 38-0. That's why Norton put him 2 sleep
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Fleischer rated George Dixon was the greatest Bantamweight, Joe Gans was the greatest Lightweight, Henry Armstrong the greatest Welterweight and Jack Johnson the greatest Heavyweight of all time. All those guys are black.
Nice try pulling the race card. I take it your black? Why do black people feel the need to put down Marciano at every chance they get? Is it that hard to accept that a white fighter beat several black fighters and retired undefeated?
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 N 58 sec. When Holmes fought Cooney, Holmes had criticized Marciano as the BUM, wino fighter he was. Cooney like Rock had racked up 25 wins over BUMS & old men. Holmes beat the crap out of him N EVERY rnd, even turning him 180 N 1 rnd with a barrage of punches. When they had 2 pull Holmes off Cooney 2 keep Holmes from killing him a check of the judges' cards had Cooney supposedly winning EVERY rnd. So don't tell me where some white guys ranked Rock. HAD he NOT BEEN
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 So if those guys are biased because they're white, I say your biased because your black.
Shit, I bet you don't have one white guy on your top 10 heavyweight list.
Bobick was 38-0 when he fought for the title? That's hilarious, because that's the same record Foreman had when he got a title shot.
Are you going to call Foreman a bum fighter "WHOES WASE A BUM HIMSMELF!?!?!??"
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 SUCH A BUM, they would have ranked him higher but they knew that would have just revealed who THEY were, not who Rock was. White guys claim they don't B/L Obama was born N Hawaii. They KNOW he was, they don't care, they just want a white guy, NOT a Black guy N the W H. Some Bars have signs saying members only. Those signs MEAN, NO BLACKS. ANY1 can line up 98 bums, winos, sick guys & old guys & go 100-0. U CLAIM those old guys were the best around. That's B/C there was
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 HAHHAHAHA. Now you bring up Obama.
By any chance, do you smoke crack all day and bitch about black fighters being put down like the Mayweathers?
These men could be white, black, blue, red, green, yellow or poko-dot. It doesn't change the fact they were AT RINGSIDE at fights you never saw. So their opion is 100% better than yours.
Wallace beat Marciano when HE HAD LITERALYY ZERO EXPERIENCE IN THE RING. Wallace didn't want anything to do with Rock in the pros.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 NO1 around. I'm 39; I KNOW HOW 2 fight. I also know when I'm working with young guys who ALSO KNOW what 2 do, my eyes & mind see it but my body won't execute. Against a BUM, I'll KO him IF I WANT 2. Wallace beat Rock N amateurs, HE WAS AROUND w/a better rec than the BUMS Rock was fighting but Rock said NO.. Rock refused 2 fight Jackson who had a much better rec than the BUMS Rock fought, but Rock said NO. Rock catching OLD MAN WALCOTT with the belt was a lucky break 4
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Rock NEVER would have asked 4 the title if a younger champ had it, just as he wouldn't fight Louis, Walcott or Moore when they were younger & still had juice. When Hearns got the title from Cuevas he fought a has been champ that was finished & destroyed him. Rock fought a has been champ who was spent & had it been a 12 rnd fight, Rock would have still lost B/C the old man gave it all he had & was WAY ahead on points after 12. U WANT Rock 2 B tuff B/C of the same reason
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Rocky wasn't a pro when Louis, Walcott and Moore were in their primes.
Walcott lost fair and square. If anything, Rocky winning PROVES he was a "brutal puncher."
Rock is part of the 10 best Heavyweights of all time. Get over it.
Rocky retired when he was 31 because he promised his family he would. He was never interested in money for fame. He was just a good boxer doing it for sport.
Rocky would probably beat Patterson. But they were friends at Rock wanted someone else
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Fleischer ranked him N top 10 when Fleischer KNEW Rock should not have been N top 100, THEN. NOW there have been so many others greater than Rock. He quit after just turning 31, but U claim 39 & 42 yr old guys were worthy opponents. After he retired, they offered him MORE MONEY THAN he had made N his entire career from the ring 4 1 fight w/Pattison who turned H W. Rock again said NO. He had NO PROBLEM fighting a washed up Louis, Walcott, Moore & a sick Charles but he
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 to get their fair share of the title. He was even commentating on Patterson-Moore and said that Floyd is new champion before the fight was over. Marciano never took more credit than he deserved.
Moore and Ali WERE friends. But they split up after several disagreements.
Ali was even talking his usual thrash before the fight. He was completly ready to KO Moore. He was called The Old Mongoose for a reason. He was ageless. Not even Dempsey and Tyson could KO him in the 1st.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 wasn't about to fight anyone with boxing ability. Rock was a BUM; RIP.
Archie Moore was an old friend and trainer of Ali's. That fight was merely giving a down on his luck friend a pay day. He treated it as an exhibition and was not trying to hurt Moore's pride NOR his physical being. Rock was fighting one of ONLY four of the big names fighters of his career.
Rock WAS A BUM, RIP.
You are a BUM lover; you probably think Bobick was a hard puncher.
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 If the white experts aren't good enough for you, let's look at some black experts.
Ali became impressed by how well Marciano could box when they spared. Keep in mind Rocky was the old one. He was slipping past Ali's jab to get inside him, much to Ali's impressment. Ali later went on to say Marciano hit harder than Frazier.
Frazier had copied Marciano's training techniques. He even ran the same distance as him and fought similar. Frazier was also impressed by Rock's ability.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Foreman: "He was relentless. Bell would ring, he'd be right on you. Bell would ring, he'd stop. Bell would ring, he'd be right back on you." Foreman was also impressed with Marciano's intensity.
Face it bro. Historians who were at ringside for almost every champion rated Rocky among the best and the best rated Rocky among themselves.
You opinion doesn't really count for jack.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Who said anything about their prime? Walcott turned pro on 9/9/30. Walcott NEVER was a tough guy but his BEST period was 2/45 - 6/47 when he went 15-2, stopping 8 of them. AFTER 6/47 Walcott LOST 5 of his next 10. He was naturally punched OUT by then. Rock was 25-0 in 49, but he STILL wasn't trying 2 face a fighter like Walcott. He waited until he saw Walcott who had lost 2 Charles B/F Charles got sick, Walcott LUCKED OUT & beat a sick Charles, then N 52, Rock said,
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 "Hey, an OLD MAN who ONLY HAS THE TITLE B/C HE BEAT A SICK MAN has the title. I think I'll fight 4 the title". THAT'S the ONLY reason Marciano EVER challenged 4 the title & DEFINITELY the only reason he ever HAD the title. N 49, Rock was 26, Moore was 36 but that wasn't old enough 4 Rock. Rock waited til he was 42, THEN, I'll try you now. U NEVER had the gloves on N UR life. THERE IS no such thing as a good OLD FIGHTER. That's like saying Tina Turner & Cher look good.
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 They look good FOR THEIR AGES, 70 & 64. Moore would have beat the crap out of ANY 42 yr old, but a guy who had just turned 32, 20 days B/F the fight. I will beat the CRAP out of ANY1 39 or older, BUT, if I was dumb enough or gung-ho enough 2 have 21 professional fights by the time I'm 42.9 mos, I'm SURE I will be punched out enough that a 31/32 yr old BUM with a hard chin but can't box a lick, will take everything I give him until I can't hold my arms up & he finds an
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 opening 4 the shot. OF COURSE Fleischer rated Armstrong the best Welter weight, he was. If U R a SUPPOSED boxing expert & EVERYTHING U say is rooted N racism, NO1, not even other racists R going 2 put any weight N what U say. Imagine a clown saying Byrd was the best B-ball player, West was 2nd & Maravich was 3rd. EVERY1 would KNOW he's just a racist FOOL. BUT if a racist claimed Byrd was best & Jordan was 2nd, then says N football Jim Brown was best & Title was 2nd SOME
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 people will THINK he's seen some stats the rest of us haven't. IT IS NOT AT ALL HARD 2 accept that a white fighter beat several Black fighters & retired undefeated, when U KNOW the Black guys he beat were like Applegate, 11-14-2 when Rock was 34-0 & a 42 yr old man who had already 175 fights & was punched OUT. While Rock had been 32 for 20 days, w/48 fights. RIGHT NOW I KNOW 50 guys who go 2 the gym lace 'em up. Some have turned pro. I have a MBA, I train B/C I love
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 the game. Some of these guys want 2 fight B/C THEY FEEL it's their ONLY way 2 own a home or a new car. If I line them up1 a day for 50 days, I'd go 50-0 LIKELY with 40 or more KOs N a 3 rnd fight. NO, I DON'T have 1 white guy on my top 10 HW list. But, some of my best friends R white guys. I DO NOT COUNT OR RESPECT THE FAKES who fought B/F Blacks were allowed N pros. UNLESS U face the BEST competition, U CAN'T B 1 OF THE BEST. THEREFORE my top 10 list is Ali, Foreman,
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Louis, Johnson, Liston, Tyson, Holmes, Frazier, Lewis, Holyfield.
I DID NOT bring up President Obama. It's strange that U read what I wrote & U THOUGHT THAT was bringing up Obama. I BROUGHT UP the racists who will say ANYTHING B/C OF THEIR RACISM so THEY CLAIM they don't B/L he is an American when the truth is, they just want ANY REASON 2 get him out of the W H. U claim B/C those racists were @ ringside, that makes their CLAIMS valid. U WOULD think that. BUT the facts
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 racists heard the USSC ruling N Brown v Bd of Ed but they STILL resisted school integration. Racists saw the video of 4 white guys, armed w/clubs & a stun gun, beating the crap out of an unarmed & fallen Rodney King but they still said NOT GUILTY; so DON'T TELL ME ABOUT RACISTs BEING THERE, they R STILL RACISTS & WHAT THEY DO & SAY IS STILL based on their racist feelings. Foreman fought a bunch of bums in his early career. MOST fighters fight a few bums N early fights
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 had he retired at 37-0, he would have been undefeated but he would have the record of an UNDEFEATED BUM. Nstead, he went on 2 smash 1 of the greatest H Ws N history, Knocking him down 6 times then out N 5" 26 sec. SMASHED Norton N 5 min, smashed Lyle, smashed Frazier AGAIN & at 45.10 mos, managed 2 KO Moorer. THAT is the difference B/T Foreman & Rock. Foreman, went 69-2 at age 41.8 mos, 1 loss was 2 Ali 2 whom Rock would have went 0-49 had he faced Ali 49 times OR Louis
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 OR Liston, Hell, OR Bonavena, Chuvalo, or Cooney. Rock was a BUM. & Any1 who claims he was not a BUM must be either a racist, or a Meth-head who doesn't know which way is up. U can't B great UNLESS U beat great fighters. U can't PROVE U R a hard puncher UNLESS U KO guys who R HARD 2 KO. KOing winos, sick guys, old guys & plain BUMS whom EVERY1 else is KOing only proves U can do what ANY1 can do. THAT DOESN'T MAKE GREATNESS, that proves U R a BUM!
RIP, Marshmellow!
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 You'r obsessed with labeling Rocky as a "BUM" so I'm not going to play 20 comments anymore.
"Any1 who claims he was not a BUM must be either a racist, or a Meth-head who doesn't know which way is up."
Either Ali, Frazier and Foreman are racist meth-heads or Rocky isn't a bum.
Take your pick.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Ali Frazier & Foreman were Black fighters who knew the perils that waited 4 ANY Black man N the fight game, or 4 that matter, N ANY public arena.who defamed THE HOLY ROCK. Holmes did it. THEN even though he had beat the HOLY CRAP out of Cooney -clear 2 C 2 any1 who watched the fight or the film; they were trying 2 STEAL the belt from him & give it 2 Cooney. Had Cooney just managed somehow 2 stay on his feet til fight's end, HE would have had his hand raised as he was
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 O' lordy, lordy. You're hopeless.
Foreman said that a few years ago in a ESPN countdown for a top 20 p4p boxers list. He had nothing to lose or gain, just spoke his mind.
Frazier's respect for Marciano is obvious because he modeled his fighting style after him and copied how he trained.
Ali said whatever was on his mind. He spoke negatively on many former champions, including Dempsey (Who was more popular than Marciano). If he thought Marciano a lucky bum, he'd say so.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Peter Marciano.
I know what your thinking: "He just siad that cause da black man culdnt talk down to ta whit man!"
Keep in mind Marciano died a few years earlier. That's a big reason why Holmes' was critized. And because Marciano was history and Holmes was an active fighter. If Klitsckho said Ali couldn't carry his jockstrap after Ali died, he'd get hell.
Pretty low of you to accuse the judges of "saving" Marciano's record. I never heard one compliant about the scoring.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 ahead ON ALL cards. NOT EVEN a blind man REALLY thought Cooney won a single rnd. Fortunately, Cooney was unable 2 endure that tremendous beating & they had 2 pull Holmes off him 2 stop a homicide. N the Spinks fight, Holmes outpointed Spinks, but they GAVE it 2 Spinks 2 stop Holmes at 48-0 & make him 48-1 so they could preserve that Bum beating record. Ali complimented Rock B/C Rock was gone & it really made NO DIFFERENCE what he said, EXCEPT that if he would've defamed
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Rock, he would have received negative press himself & he was smart enough 2 know it, the same w/Frazier & George. Ali told an interviewer when asked if he could have beat Tyson N Ali’s prime, "I would have NEVER been able 2 beat Tyson B/C Tyson hits 2 hard". Tyson told the same interviewer, "You must not follow boxing; NO MAN could've beat Ali in his prime". Good 4 U. U finally understand. ANY crap U come up with 2 CLAIM a BUM & an OLD MAN beater should B considered
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Really? I've heard Ali say about Tyson, "He's good, but he's no Ali." He also picked Mike Spinks to beat Tyson.
I've also heard Tyson say that Ali and Frazier would be labeled bums to ("To" reffering to Joe Louis' Bum of the Month Club) if they were around to challenge Louis.
Tyson also said Marciano is one of the all time greats. He's always been respectful when he talked about other fighters (who he didn't face).
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 U R either TRULY stupid OR U R truly a determined defender of racism. Foreman is an entrepreneur, he wants 2 sell grills, he wants his other businesses 2 do well. They damn sure wouldn't if he called The Great White Legend A Bum & said I could've KOd all Marcianos opponents 4 a day 4 13 days. GTFOOH! Dempsey HAS NEVER been a bigger hero 2 racists than Marciano. Plus Dempsey's OWN TRAINER admitted HE soaked Dempsey's wraps N plaster B/F wrapping his hands so no sense N
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Nigga yous just dumb.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 any1 trying 2 make Dempsey their hero. Criticizing Dempsey is safe. Ali spoke what was on his mind B/F they stole his title & 3 yrs from his career, forcing him 2 miss breaking Joe's rec. Afterwards he still hyped the gate on his fights & because he did, he made more money than any fighter B/F him from the ring & HE opened the door 4 these 25,000,000.00 fights. After the fight, he had something good 2 say about all opponents EXCEPT Pattison & Terrell. Holmes had called
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Rock a BUM B/F the Spinks fight & said he kept fighting bums like Lowry who he chose as an opponent when he was 20-0, while Lowry had only won 58 of 115 fights. Then 13 mos later, when Rock was now 29-0; Lowry had had 11 MORE fights, only winning 4 of them & Rock said, "Hey, he deserves a rematch". Racists can SAY ANY thing they want. The figures PROVE Rock was not looking 4 competition, Rock, (like EVERY BUM) was looking 4 an easy win. Holmes pointed this out, B/F the
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Nigga shut the fuck up. Your just another whiny black bitch who can't stand a white fighter getting success "Critizing Dempsey was safe," he was considered the best Heavyweight of all time at the time you hoe.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Every1 puts plaster on their wraps. I C, U NOT ONLY have never been N the ring, U've never been near anything but books & internet reports about boxing. Putting plaster on UR wraps is ILLIGAL AND it CAN'T BE DONE anymore N boxing B/C they have an official WATCHING the hand wrap. U DUMB ASS, if making U look like the stupid redneck U R wasn’t so much fun, I would’ve cut U loose long ago.
That's the way U trailer trash peckerwoods always start, THEY TOLD U at the Klan
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Everyone put plaster on their wraps and tons of other shit 100 YEARS AGO. Course, people are paid off today all the time to turn a blind eye at PEDs and bribed judges. No sport has never been 100% clean.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 HE opened the door 4 these 25,000,000.00
Dumbass, if that was anyone it was Dempsey.
Wha 'opened' the door' to all that money is really over-priced pay per views and fihters fighting once a year
crowley0312 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Everyone puts plaster on thier wraps you tard.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Spinks fight. THAT’s why they gave that decision 2 Spinks. He later apologized B/C HE is a business owner & he was feeling the pressure. I have a picture of myself N the ring over my desk. I have clients N my office who say, "U were a fighter, huh? Who do U think would win B/T Ali & Marciano if they were both N their prime"? I say, "It’s hard 2 say; they were N different eras; a lot was different then; it’s hard 2 say". IF I TOLD THEM THE TRUTH, "R U NUTS? They would
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 You sound like a fucking idiot saying its just for the public everytime a black guys says something positive about a white guy. DENIAL.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 have 2 pull Ali off him NO LATER than 3rd; Rock didn't have the boxing skills of Quarry & U C how he destroyed Quarry" then I’d lose NOT ONLY THAT valuable contract, but all his racist buddies contracts as well. I LOVE Mike Spinks. I picked Spinks over Tyson at the time B/C I was a boxer N amateurs, NOT a slugger. I thought Spinks boxing Ability would be 2 much 4 Tyson, but Tyson's power proved 2 much 4 Spinks. I KNOW HOW 2 judge fights. I have the tape of the Holmes
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 So an out of shape and elderly Marciano could hold his own against Ali but a prime Marciano would lose in three rounds? Marciano would fuck Ali up. Frazier copied Marciano and won the only fight they were in their prime for.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 Spinks fight. It was a good hard fought fight but Larry won. AND MAYBE B/C I don't live or associate among predominately racists, I HEAR THAT from most boxing knowledgeable(s). I would not be surprised if U could find somewhere the interview B/T Ali & Tyson when both made those comments. Just SAY, I hadn't married my childhood sweetheart who insisted, as did my family, "U have no reason 2 B getting UR brains knocked out like so many fighters. U can make money with your
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@crowley0312 mental skills”. So SAY I turned pro; say I won the H W Title; say I was white. I would NEVER N Public or on a recording make negative statements about ANY FIGHTER. U just don’t do that 2 yourself. Both Klits are BUMS, neither can box. If they were 6’ or 5’ 11’ even many of the BUMS they have fought N this, the weakest fight era since the early 50s would've beat them. THEY DO know how to use their height against shorter men, but that's why an OLD 6' 4" Lewis was able 2
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 "Both Klits are BUMS"
It's official, your just a whiny little nigger.
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 KNOCK Klit’s eye out his head. I STILL would say N public, "Klit's record speaks 4 itself". IT DOES. I’m telling the truth, but most naïve fools R going 2 misunderstand me. The record shows a BUM beating some worse BUMS.
Rocky was (IT LOOKS LIKE) a decent guy. He WAS NOT a great boxer.
Tyson was personally an A-hole. He likely has mental problems but N his prime he was a GREAT boxer.
Michael Jordan was the GREATEST basketball player, as a man, he's an Uncle Tom.
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
@WillieRobb1 Lennox got one lucky punch and was getting his ass kicked the rest of the fight.
Are you physicaly and mentaly capable of naming a white guy who wasn't a "BUM?"
Tyson is actually a very nice guy. He made several mistakes like most humans, but before and after the whole 90s scandle, he's been a really nice and humble guy.
Why the fuck do you keep bringing up Michael Jordan?
crowley0312 1 month ago
@crowley0312 great, I can quickly shoot holes in it and reveal it to be the “Paul Bunyan, little-train-that-could, Marciano-Myth”.
Ali, Frazier & George were being PC & protecting themselves against a racist backlash in the press.
Rock IS a BUM!
Rest in Peace, Marshmallow Marciano.
WillieRobb1 1 month ago
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@WillieRobb1 I recommend you watch Muhammad Ali Talks About Rocky Marciano. Your favorite boxer thought very highly of him.
Ali showed respect to Rocky after their computer fight when they sparred. Ali was flat out shocked by how well Rocky could slip his jab and even more by how strong he was and how hard he could hit.
Eddie Ross was 15-0-1 and considered a hot prospect when he met 4-0 Marciano. 1 round later Eddie Ross was carried out and never truly recovered.
crowley0312 1 month ago
never before been N the ring (amateur or pro) & never after.
At 32-0, Rock's opponent was 8-8-1; at 33-0, his opponent was 3-13-3, at 34-0, his opponent was 13-15-1; at 35-0, Rock's opponent was 11-14-2, etc.
So tell me, how does a guy who will ONLY step in the ring with BUMS (actual wine head bums) & OLD men rate with U as a historical great fighter? B/C he retired 49-0?
ANY 1 can line up 25 blind men & 24 cripple guys & go 49-0.
A GREAT fighter beats great opponents. Rock NEVER beat a
WillieRobb1 2 months ago
I liked SOME of the things U wrote, HOWEVER, Any 1 who puts Rocky Marciano on a list of all time greats COULD NOT TRULY know much about Boxing.
Marciano was the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on boxing.
N 49 fights he NEVER faced a legitimate contender.
He waited 'til Louis, Walcott & Moore were OLD men; Charles' body was wracked with Lou Gehrig’' disease.
THOSE were the ONLY names he EVER FACED & ALL HE faced was their names.
Several of those other bums were homeless winos who had
WillieRobb1 2 months ago