what is this garbage???? where did you get this from??? my roommate has a copy of the Talmud and he says NONE of this stuff is in there!! and no, I'm not a Jew, but 'Jesus' mother was a whore.' ????? WTF??????
yeah, It makes me think they created a lot of things just to make goyims and gentiles look bad. One point is have you ever seen a gay jew? Just look at MTV and its CEO is a jew. Look at all the stupid linups they have to show how us goyims are bad.
How can the Jews criticize Mary when Christianity came centuries after Judaism ?. It seems something is not right here . I mean how can they predict what kind of a woman she would be ?. I am just curious due to the length of time between Judaism and Christian .
90% of the people in Israel are not Jews nor Semitic. They may call themselves Zionist, but they are not the Jew. One must be born a Jew! Those who occupy Israel are from the Synagog's of Satan, and they rule over the USA. It was already written before it happen. ONE MUST BE BORN A JEW! THESE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN LOOK SEMITIC. THEY ARE THE FALSE JEW! THEY HAVE NO TRIBAL SEED! Zionist caused 9/11, and the Official Story is nothing but a cover-up.
"If a girl is less than three years old, it is permitted to be secluded with her. Likewise, if a boy is less than nine years old a woman is permitted to be alone with him."
--Kitzur Shulchan Aruch: Classic guide to Jewish Law (Metsudah Publications, 1996), v. 2, p. 1023
Jews are seeking Olam Haba where they envision the enslavement of gentiles. The Talmud and other writings make this clear: Shabbos 32b claims every Jew observant in the mitzvot of wearing tzitzit will get 2,800 non-Jewish slaves; Eruvin 43b claims that the Moshiach can come on Shabbos Eve (but not Shabbos itself) since, by that time, Jews will have non-Jewish slaves to handle all their pre-Shabbos preparations; Saadia Gaon stated non-Jews will be divided into 4 categories of slaves, etc.
"If a boy under the age of nine perpetrated sodomy upon an adult, the adult is not liable for punishment, for the intercourse of a boy under nine years of age is not legally an act of intercourse. Since a child less than nine years old cannot commit sodomy, he can also not be the object of sodomy."
"This Baraita supports rav, for it teaches that if a man engaged in sexual intercourse with a child under the age of nine, he is exempt from liability."
"If a girl is less than three years old it is permitted to be secluded with her. Likewise, if a boy is less than nine years old, a woman is permitted to be alone with him." - Kitzur Shulchan Aruch: Classic guide to Jewish Law (Metsudah Publications, 1996), v.2, p.1023.
"If a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl, it is nothing, for having intercourse with a girl less than three years old is like putting a finger in the eye." - BT Kethubot 11b.
ROFL goes to show how incredibly desperate you are to try and find fault in anything I do that you're trying to pull me up for posting something in two threads? That's normal you freaking toad, it's a quote from a book.
You couldn't refute anything of what I said!
So so pathetic.
You should stick to the delusional: "that's out of context" or "that means they're trying to help the victims" and other laughable deceitful crap like that....
Again you refuse to relate to what Ive written. Presumably you have nothing to say except repeat the same old ravings you post on various videos. You obviously have never gone into the subject in any detail You just roam around posting the same quotes. Might it not be a good idea attempt to understand what is meant by the portions you quote? Ive given you the meaning of one of them but you disregard it. You have no idea what the tractate is dealing with but you go on and on!
"The body of a Jewish persons of a totally different quality from the body of members of all other nations of the world. Bodies of the Gentiles are in vain. An even greater difference is in regard to the soul . . .Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from 3 satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness... the substance of all divine emanations was created only to serve the Jews"
--Lubavitcher Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson (seen by some as "the Messiah")
@chained2it Where can a Goyum read the Talmud? Isn't it written only in Biblical Hebrew? Can you tell us what these quoted verses really do say? They give specific references to book and verse. Seems like it would be easy to clear up this if it is false. I hear Jews say these are not in the Talmud but never what the actual verse says.
@SawHappy Actually, the Talmud is written in Hebrew letters but the language is Aramaic, not Hebrew. Where can you read it? THere must be a gazillion copies in print, translated into English. Any Judaica shop or any bookstore with a Jewish section. Or just try Amazon. Its as accessible as any other book
@SawHappy WHy is it my or anyone else's responsibility to teach you what it says in the Talmud? You can pick up a copy in English at countless bookstores and see for yourself. Or do you always just believe what others tell you is in a book without checking for yourself?
Some verses on the internet are false quotes. Some of them do not exist AT ALL, so there is no "correct" verse. And many other are just taken out of context to distort their meaning. So much easier to just accept bigotry, eh?
@SawHappy Most people dont even understand what the Talmud is and how it functions. There is a central text that expands upon the written law in the Jewish Bible, including traditions that were not written in the BIble. Then there are commentaries written by rabbis over the centuries around it. then commentaries on the commentaries, questions, arguments debates, etc.
A Yeshiva is a Jewish religious school where Jews constantly argue over the proper interpretation of Talmud
@SawHappy Its funny how all these people allegedyl quote the Talmud and know what it says, but not ONE of them is quoting directly from a copy of it, just repeating what someone else told them it says.
@chained2it Actually quoting the Talmud directly in most cases would require looong time considering the length of the sentences and disputes. Although it IS possible to give direct quotes. I can give sme if you insist.
Very simple. I am referring Baba Metzia 114b, which is quoted in this video.
But that Baba Metzia 114b itself quotes directly from the Bible, and is a direct reference to Ezekiel 34:31. All the Talmud is doing is commenting and expanding upon it. It does NOT mean that gentiles are not humans. THAT is a distortion of its meaning, as are the rest of these alleged quote. The Talmud is an incredibly complex work. You cannot grasp its meaning by quoting it out of context like that
"who cares in other books? The topic here was the Talmud"
The Talmud is pointless and cant possibly be understood without the Tanakh. If you dont understand what the Talmud is, why are you commenting on it? This entire video is the same distortions & lies about the Talmud that are spread all over the internet. The Zohar is a not a Talmudic book. Its Kabbalistic. But what you fail to mention is that the quote itself is false, The Zohar says NOTHING about deceiving Christians
"in Ezekiel 34.31 (I think you referred on that) there is no distinction of jews from gentiles, unlike in the Talmud."
The entire Torah makes distinctions between Jews and gentiles, in a religious sense. As nearly every religion makes distinctions between its followers and others
@gagnashdiak I could go quote by quote with this video and point out how each one is a complete distortion of the Talmud's meaning. But I would be here writing forever, and those who choose to hate will not be convinced to stop hating no matter what they are presented with.
@chained2it 1) making distinction between two groups and stating that one of it is entirely not human - there's a bloody hugh difference for me.
2) I still don't know why you send me this.
3) If you call ignorant but interrested people "spitefull", and your only answer on their questions is refutation, then I must say they are more convincing.
@gagnashdiak " I still don't know why you send me this."
Because you commented on something I wrote.
Your interpretations, and others, are completely distorted. You do not even bother to try and understand any of the passages. You just condemn them based on your own ill-informed assumptions. What gives you the right to condemn something you dont even understand? You claim it amounts to some kind of bigotry, yet views like your have been used to persecute Jews for centuries
@chained2it UUU, someone was busy! Let's go this through.
You sent me posts what's contents had no relation on what I was talking about. But oh well.
Stop lying plz. I do not interpret anything. But it is so nice from you to say "you are all stupid, only I'm helicopter!" But the whole question is not about the execution of the law, but the law's mere existence - you should finally realise this.
"making distinction between two groups and stating that one of it is entirely not human"
That passage is part of the sacred literature of the religions followed by half of the world -Christianity and Islam, because it is found in the Bible. Yet you focus solely on the Jews and the reference to it in the Talmud. How convenient to focus on what is by far the smallest group that follows the Bible, and the group that has most often been the focus of violent hatred. How brave of you
@chained2it ONLY THE FIRST HALF is in the other abrahamic religions. The second half is only true on the jews! That's why people blame solely the jews.
Now why people focus on the jews, is because they are "famous" religion (just remmeber the zillion dollars they got just a couple of years ago), but a) the jewish religion is mostly unkown b) the jews deny all knowledge on their believes to nonjews c) many times jews were proven liars in relation of their believes.
@gagnashdiak "making distinction between two groups and stating that one of it is entirely not human - there's a bloody hugh difference for me"
Distinguishing between people is wrong? Really? It is the basis of civilization, to distinguish between those who are civilized and those who are not. And EVERY culture has its own standards of civilization. That is all that passage is referring to, regardless of how it actually translates into English. It does NOT mean that non-Jews are subhuman
@chained2it Distinguishing is understandable. Stating that the other group is not even human, that's what bothers me.
Stop playing deceiver.
Now if those lines do not mean the nonjews are "subhuman", then it is time to tell the nonjews the correct context, and not just deny answering while shouting "antisemite!" Ok?
@chained2it IF "something get lost during translation", then they should have use a footnote. As there is no footnote, you just confessed the meaning in the form of the accusation stands.
Also agains, last time: I didn't asked you any questions about it, you explain that quotation to the wrong person. But ok, send me the links. I'll check at least parts of it, but I expect only bad apologism and more lies (just like what ADL did - you want the link and quotes?).
It says "only you are men". It does not say only you are HUMAN. That is your interpretation. If someone tells u that u arent a man, would you think they were literally telling you that you are not MALE? To call someone a man, or a "mensh" as many Jews say, is a matter of behavior. It means they are righteous, brave, have integrity, etc.
When GOd in the Bible says only Jews are men, it means only Jews follows the rules of civilized behavior God prescribed for them
@gagnashdiak "is NOT MY interpretation, but the interpretation of some nonjew people."
But YOU are repeating it. And why on earth would you ask a non-Jew what Jews believe? Should I ask a Buddhist what a Muslim believes?
"the conversation is NOT ABOUT THE BIBLE. It is about the Talmud"
And AGAIN, the Talmud is meaningless without the Bible. It is entirely based on the Bible. And the passage we are debating directly QUOTES from the Bible. The same words in that Talmud passage are in the Bible
@chained2it I repeat it AS A QUESTION. And there are no reason to reject the claims... (no, shouting "you're racist if you take the accusation seriously" is NOT a reason)
And yes, I asked what other religions and worldviews believes. It is important to know that kind of things, or else we can end up with another Nazi Empire, or a Dark Age.
And again: the Talmud is a different thing from the Bible. Same words doesn't mean same meaning necessarily.
@gagnashdiak You choose to accept an ugly, distorted, racist interpretation of writings without even bothering to research how they are interpreted by those who follow them. I challenge you to find evidence of mainstream Judaism preaching that non-Jews are subhumans. There is no racial component to Judaism whatsoever. It is above all what a man does that gives him favor in Gods eyes, not an accident of birth. Jews dont think themselves better than anyone based on their ancestry
@chained2it I didn't accept anything, but you here are simply rude. HOW should I know if their interpretation is not correct, and yours is, if I can't even get access to the source-material and the local jews do not answer questions, or above all jews simply LIE many-many times (this includes ingnorancy of everyday jews, empty accusations of rabbies, and even such organisations like the ADL what lied willfully).
Now if you don't think descendencyis not "racial component", then I call you mad.
What an astoundingly ignorant, racist comment. You call ME a bigot, when I've said nothing bigoted against ANY group,& then you claim Jews are liars? Jews do not lie any more than anyone else. And whether they lie or not has nothing to do with being Jews.
By the same token - 'in YOUR interpretation nonjews are unrighteous, covard, splitted".....whether someone is a coward, etc. or not has nothing to do with being a Jew or not, racist
@chained2it Just check the ADL's quotation on Sanhedrin 59a, where the accusation was that the Talmud advocates capital punishment on nonjews reading the Talmud. They take things out of context, just like you do at "by the same token".
@gagnashdiak Islam blatantly distinguishes between Muslim & non-Muslim. Islam calls for discrimination against non-Muslims & tolerates acts against them that would be considered sinful against fellow Muslims. Meanwhile, the Talmud passage we're debating begins with a statement of respect - "Do not defile the graves of Gentiles". So do you offer the same criticism of the Koran for what it says of non-Muslims, including urging to kill them? And Muslims rule a large portion of earth.
@chained2it Nope, islam do NOT calls for discrimination of nonmusilms. It DO calls for killing them (after trying to convert), but the Quran otherwise suggest fair play.
We do NOT debate any talmudic passages. Maybe YOU do, but I'm simply talking (at least talked until now) about the Tamud in general.
Muslims do NOT "rule large portion of the Earth". They have some countries, but that's all.
And are you aware, that pointing on finger and saying "but they do the same" doesn't make you good?
Excuse me? I have said NOTHING bigoted. Are you so desperate you resort to name calling. And you call ME rude? Is that the best argument you can make? You've already lost.
'HOW should I know if their interpretation is not correct,"
By doing some reading and research, talking to religious Jews, taking a course on Judaism, or talking to a rabbi. etc. You take the word of people who know nothing about Judaism
@chained2it I told you: jews I talked with either have no knowledege on the topic (the Talmud), or refuse any answer per se, or simply tell lies.
Also I believe for evidences. There are accusations with supposed quotes and surely references. On the jewish side there is absolutly nothing just the shout "antisemite".
Also when there is not a translation on my own language, checking things not a little hard. Also amateurs supposed to accept the professionals' opinion you know.
@gagnashdiak "Nope, islam do NOT calls for discrimination of nonmusilms"
It ABSOLUTELY does. Non-Muslims are not and have not ever been treated as equals in a Muslim-ruled society. The Koran has many injunctions against non-Muslims. The Dhimmi laws make 2nd class citizens of all non-Muslims. The Koran is filled with hateful comments about Jews. If you can talk about the Talmud, which is followed by a few million devout Jews, I can talk about the Koran followed by hundreds of millions
@chained2it "The dimmi-laws" are not in the Quran.
The Quran is of course filled with "hateful comments" on jews - just like the New Covenant; and like the Talmud in relation to christianity. And the Tanach in relation of some other specific gods. And?
Also if not even a single persona would follow what is in the Talmud at all, that wouldn't change its nature. See?
@gagnashdiak "Muslims do NOT "rule large portion of the Earth". They have some countries, but that's all."
Excuse me? What a laughably ignorant statement. There are over 40 Muslim-ruled nations, covering a huge portion of the earth. Every last Arab nation, plus Pakistan, Indonesia. Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan. etc. About 1 of every 5 people on earth is Muslim, outnumbering Jews 100 to 1.
Countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia are governed according to Islam. Saudi Arabia discriminates blatantly against non-Muslims in every way. Jews cannot even enter the country. There is no nation on earth governed by Judaism. Not even Israel.
'pointing on finger and saying "but they do the same" doesn't make you good"
No it does not. Is there something here thats supposed to make me bad? And what are YOU doing but pointing fingers at Jews as if you are some saint? Pure hypocrisy
@chained2it I did NOT point on jews. I just commented on a religious book's criticism. If it is "hypocricy" to state questions and being sane, then I am guilty. Otherwise you're just a typical jew.
But what makes You bad is that you try to direct attention on muslims instead answering questions.
@gagnashdiak Unlike Sharia, Jewish religious law is not the law of the land in any nation, including Israel which has a secular government.
Christianity also distinguishes between Christian and non-Christian, between those who are sinners and those who are saved. And that has resulted in centuries of brutality against non-Christians. I dont see you criticizing them either.
@chained2it Not the law YET (and anymore) in Israel or elsewhere. The point is we don't want to see any religion's barbaric laws anywhere anymore. For sure.
Israel by the way has no secualr government. They defined Israel as "a jewish country", and that makes them a religious country.
Again distinguishing and claiming to be übermensch r 2 different thing, and pointing fingers "they r too" doesn't help your case.
Also THIS discussion is about jews you bigott bastard. I criticise xians elsewhere.
@gagnashdiak "Not the law YET (and anymore) in Israel or elsewhere."
Not the law in Israel, period, and never has been. Israel was created as a secular democracy, not a theocracy. Its government does not run on any religious principles, whether its a Jewish nation or not. It is called a Jewish nation because it is the homeland of the Jewish people,, not because its run by Judaism.
@chained2it It has been. Denying that FACT is denying history.
Also Israel DO run on religious principles - like Israel being officially a religious (jewish) country, or the distinguising of imigrants (what has only talmudic bases) and so on. Never forget that "jew" is a religion, NOT an etnicity.
When I called you "bigot" that wasn't argument. Seems you have problem with understanding texts, or you're simply lying.
@gagnashdiak You can twist things however you like. The FACT is that Israel is a SECULAR DEMOCRACY. Period. That is a matter of demonstrable fact. Just because Israel was created as a haven for Jews after centuries of endless persecution does not mean the country is run as a religious theocracy. That is an ignorant statement that shows you know little about Israel. There are no laws forcing citizens to follow Jewish religious rules. And being a Jew most certainly IS an ethnicity by ANY standard
@chained2it You are either ignorant on the fact the to being accepted as a citisen in Israel, you have to make an oath where you accept it as "jewish" country, on the fact that on the talmudic bases are imigrants sorted out, and so on - or you simply a liar. Youtube: you decide!
Also being a jew is a RELIGIOUS category, not an ethnic one by ANY category. No etnicity can be entered just by signing a stupid piece of paper, but judaism do practice proselitism you know - and that is FACT.
@gagnashdiak "being a jew is a RELIGIOUS category, not an ethnic one by ANY category."
According to WHOM? That is sheer ignorance. Very few people convert to Judaism. Very few. Judaism does not encourage conversions. The vast majority of Jews are Jewish by ANCESTRY, and both history and DNA tell us. You have no idea what you are talking about.
The word "Jew" originated as a term of nationality, not religion. Jew meant Judean, someone from Judea, or Judah. Judaism is the "religion of Judea"
@chained2it According to everyone but the majority of the jews. Now as to enter an etnicity NO CONVERSION AT ALL possible, you should see why your assumption is false.
The word "jew" was made back in a time when etnicity was equal with religion because of tribal society. Your assumption here doesn't work since at least a THOUSAND YEARS.
Also as "jew" is someone who is "member of judaism", and judaism (like you too say) is a religion, that proves why I tell you.
@gagnashdiak 'According to everyone but the majority of the jews. "
No, not according to ANY definition of Jew you can find, wikipedia or otherwise.
An ethnic group has a common ancestry, their own culture, language, customs, etc. That is EXACTLY what Jews are. No, you cannot convert into an ethnicity. You cant change your ancestry. But you CAN adopt an ethnicity. Just as many so-called Arabs today are not of Arabian ancestry. But if your culture and language are Arabic, you are an Arab
@chained2it No. You can quit from being a jew, and enter it by mere decision.
And no. If you're culture and language is black, you won't turn into a black (or arabic. or jew). If you don't see it, just go into Harlem, and say to a gang "Yo nigah!"
Actually, regardless of what religion anyone adopts, they are still considered Jews by birth.
And again, the vast majority of Jews who have ever lived were BORN Jews. You focus your attention on the handful of converts just to suit your own foolish views
@chained2it Might be true to jews, but think upon this:
You are a black person who birthed by a converted black jewish mother (and black father), was baptised, and lives ina country that states that all citizen of it are muslims (in analogy to what Israel currently does), but practices hindu religion.
Then we have someone whose ethnicity is black and MAGICALLY jewish the same time, and his/her religion is ALL THE SAME TIME jewis AND xian AND muslim AND hindu?
@gagnashdiak "Black" is a race, not an ethnicity, moron. There are about a billion blacks, speaking many different languages with entirely different cultures.
Again, the vast majority of Jews are Jewish by ancestry, and any convert simply marries into the tribe.
'You are an idiot who spread racism."
Yeah, whatever you say chuckles. I have said NOTHING racist about ANY group, while you claim Jews are inherently liars, practice human sacrifice, etc.
@chained2it ethnicity = race. I really start to give up with you.
And you DID tell racist things, like all nonjews you called coward, and some atheist jews.
Also you lie AGAIN, and I'm fed up with it, when you state I called ALL jews INHERENTLY liars. I've never even implied such things. I ony said that jews in question of judaism are not trustable source, and I even PROVED THAT through a simple case with ADL.
@gagnashdiak I can give you MANY examples of rabbinical literature dealing with Jephthah, and condemning his acts as immoral and unGodly.
The Tanakh is a collection of writings from many centuries. The older parts of it were passed down orally for centuries before ever being written down. There are elements that predate Jewish religious law being developed. Jews were in origin a pagan people like everyone else. Jewish religious law ENDED the practice of human sacrifice among its followers
@chained2it The Tanach - according to judaism - is the word of the Lord, given to Moses at Mount Sinai and so on. But of course it is a collection of bullshit, just like any religious literature. So what's your point?
Also as we can see from the Tanach, humans sacrifice was NOT ended by the jewish religion - darn, it is even the centerpiece of the christian(jew)s!
@gagnashdiak According to the Midrash, God appeared to Jephthah's daughter and told him her sacrifice would mean nothing.
There is also debate over the correct translation of the biblical passage and whether it means she was sacrificed or not.
And either way, it is nothing more than a Biblical story. Human sacrifice is SPECIFICALLY BANNED in Jewish religious law. THere is not a SINGLE HISTORICAL INSTANCE of Jews sacrificing humans, EVER.
@chained2it The Midrash is not the Bible nor the Talmud. So who cares?
I'm also aware that a poor apology is connected to flash away the obvious, but there is NO debate over the text's translation. And the text is obvious.
Also it is of course "just a story". There is no god, the Bible and all religious literature is just fiction. But we were discussing judaism, and not reality. And you did not provided any evidence - pure denial is not evidence - that either the Tanch or the Talmud bans it.
The Jews are allowed to pick which laws in the Talmud they want to follow. It's evil by personal choice, you get to choose how evil you want to be. They shape their own evil nature by picking verses out of the Talmud to adopt. They can adopt as much evil into their beliefs as their hearts desire. That's what the Midrash offers Jews while promising the protection of Jew leaders.
@ExoticGawdess Might be partly, but it isn't in whole. I only checked the wikipedia what that is, and it is not the talmud, but instead judaic works, and who cares in that for this topic?
Who cares what jews are allowed? The point is: they can pick the criticised parts, and that is a problem. As the Talmud (aka their god's word) contains the "evil" passages, that makes their religion "evil" (if you want to stick to this word).
"Our rabbis taught the following Baraita: if a women acted lewdly with her minor son, in the course of which he engaged with her in the first stage of sexual intercourse, the school of Shammai say: He disqualified her from marrying into the priesthood. And the school Hillel disagree and say that she remains fit to marry into the priesthood."
@gagnashdiak There is a difference between someone who is just religiously Jewish, and someone who is of jewish ancestry. There are very few converts to Judiasm. There are some 14-15 million Jews. Only a few thousand people a year convert to Judaism. And those that do must marry other Jews, so theur descendants are of Jewish ancestry as well, Just as it has always been with anyone marrying into another tribe
@chained2it 1) no dictionary-definition refered to jews as ethnicity you moron.
2) I never cared what every single jew believes. A jew is by definition someone who accepts the Tanach and the Talmud as divine source. So I care what is in those books, for this current debate the Talmud (babylonian one as that has the highest authority from the three).
"no dictionary-definition refered to jews as ethnicity you moron."
Every last one of them gave a definition as one of ancestry and culture, not just religion.
You have no clue what you are talking about. Not even all religious Jews accept the Talmud AT ALL. Karaite Jews reject its authority completely, And Reform Jews, who are the largest Jewish denomination in America, simply ignore it for the most part.
You dont get to make up your own definitions, sorry
@chained2it Religion is a cultral thing. Etnicity is not.
Again: no need to say "religious jew", as that is repeating the same thing: jew.
And who cares what is someone's personal belief? Who asked that?
Also only karaites reject the Talmud, and all the other jews by definition officially do accept the Talmud. Even your precious wikipedia says so. See, I don't make up definitions.
@chained2it And karaites jews during history were consantly persecuted by the judaic jews. Judaism also not even accept things like messianic jews to be jews.
Now who do not know definitions?
Also as we discussed all along judaism specifically, you simply lie again.
In the broader sense of the term, a Jew is any person belonging to the worldwide group that constitutes, through descent or conversion, a continuation of the ancient Jewish people, who were themselves descendants of the Hebrews of the Old Testament. In ancient times, a Yĕhūdhī was originally a member of Judah—i.e., either of the tribe of Judah (one of the 12 tribes that took possession of the Promised Land) or of the subsequent Kingdom of Judah
In the modern world, a definition of Jew that would be satisfactory to all is virtually impossible to construct, for it involves ethnic and religious issues that are both complex and controversial
JEWS - [from Judah ], traditionally, descendants of Judah, the fourth son of Jacob, whose tribe, with that of his half brother Benjamin, made up the kingdom of Judah; .... The degree to which national and religious elements of Jewish culture interact has varied throughout history and has been a matter of considerable debate
The Jews , also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation. Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.
@chained2it Wikipedia is not trustable in religious questions in relation of the abrahamic religions, sadly. For example it states (or stated not too long ago) that jews never ever practiced human sacrifises, although that was clearly the case according to the Tanach (even Moses sacrifised several hundred human beings).
Also notice that it mentions prozelitism, what makes this description false to be about etnicity (no etnicity can be entered or quit by decision).
@gagnashdiak "jews never ever practiced human sacrifises"
Now you are starting to annoy me with idiotic comments like this. Jews have NEVER practiced human sacrifice, imbecile. NEVER. Where the hell do you get this bullsit that Moses sacrificed people? The Bible does NOT say that. Its says he ordered the execution of those who worshipped the Golden Calf because it was a sin. THEY wanted to practice human sacrifice. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about
@chained2it You either do not know the Tanach, or simply lying. The Tanach tells SEVERAL cases where jews sacrifise human being. Specifically the characters are: Abraham, Moses, Jephte, and some Josiah. These cases were not punishments what I'm talking about ('golden calf', how you got that in your head?), but sacrifises to the Lord of Hosts.
Interresting that I know more about this topic too then you, whose religion is in question, non?
@chained2it THERE IS. The case of Abraham is directly ordered by Jealous. The case of Moses is accepted by yhwh. The case of Jephte is supported by elohim. The case of Josiah is even propheted (what means it is another adonai-ordered issue).
Here is a reference on the famous case of Jephte, who sacrifised to his god her own daughter in return of help in genocide: Judges 11.29-40.
Now get the fuck out of my face you ignorant bastard.
@gagnashdiak In Abraham's case, God told him NOT to sacrifice his son, and stated explicitly that the practice of human sacrifice was abhorrent to him. There was no sacrifice. Nor was there any "human sacrifice" by Moses. Moses ordered the deaths of those who sacrificed to a pagan idol. He did not order them sacrificed to God.
I asked you for specific chapter and verse. You gave me none for these 2 instances. Because you are a liar and you know there was no "human sacrifice" by Moses or Abraham
@gagnashdiak As for Jephthah, God did not ask him to sacrifice his daughter. He swore an oath to God that he would sacrifice the first thing to emerge from his tent. And unfortunately, it was his daughter that emerged. But his act was CONDEMNED, which you fail to mention, and was seen as a tragedy.
Judges 11;40 "the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year"
@gagnashdiak To try and twist a fictional biblical story into claiming Jews practiced human sacrifice is absurd. Human sacrifice was common all over the region at that time, and the Bible REPEATEDLY condemns the act. The entire point of the Abraham and Isaac story was to show that God did NOT want human sacrifices. The story of Jephthah is likely older than the story of Abraham and Isaac, and may be why the Abraham was written to make it clear that it was against God to sacrifice
@gagnashdiak The ultimate basis of Judaism is Mosaic Law, as spelled out in the Torah, which specifically bans human sacrifice. And for thousands of years, Jewish writings and traditions have condemned the actions of Jephthah.
For example -
"he sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering: offering such an oblation as was neither conformable to the law, nor acceptable to God; not weighing with himself what opinion the hearers would have of such a practice."
@chained2it You try to hide in semantics, but I can play with you: The Talmud says "learning the Torah is a common thing, learning the Mishnah is good but nothing specific, but one who learns the Gemara is clearly on the right pass" (I can look up the exact quote too, but all can see my point)
J.F. is not god. The author of the Tanach and the Talmud is (according to judaism). So it is clear for me who has authority in the question. J.F. is not even a character in the Tanach, darn!
@chained2it I'm sorry, but you just confessed they do in the second post before this one. Also your wikiqoute tells they prctice prozelitism. You deny the obvious - you are either insane, or a bad liar (what is many times true, just check what the ADL says about nonjews reading the Talmud, and compare it with Sanhedrin 59a, the full text of the quote - by the way here is my proof on jews officially lying for instance).
I way before said Israel isn't equall with all jews - do you read my posts?
@gagnashdiak "Also your wikiqoute tells they prctice prozelitism"
Proselytism means seeking converts. Judaism ACCEPTS converts, but it does not SEEK them. That is COMMON KNOWLEDGE to anyone who knows ANYthing about Judaism. Google it and learn something, because I;ve about had it with childishly being called a liar, bigot, insane, etc. just because you dont know what you;re talking about.
@chained2it Oh, sry, my mistake then. I ment they ACCEPT converts.
Knowing such a petty difference in meaning of a foreign language's rarely used word (and for this discussion I don't feel the need to use a dictionary) is NOT "common knowledge". I assumpted that word from "proselyte".
My point was (you should've been able to figure it out & be polite): you can no way enter or quit an etnicity by mere decision. That is not true for judaism. Now THIS's common knowledge.
@gagnashdiak And as I said, there is a difference between being religiously Jewish and ethnically Jewish. There are very few who are only religiously Jewish.
@gagnashdiak And how many definitions do I have to quote for you that discuss the ethnic component of Jewishness? Every encyclopedia, dictionary, etc discusses Jewish ancestry and ethnicity (and many use the word "ethnicity") along with religion. But they know nothing, and an ignorant ill-informed internet "scholar" like you knows better. ROTFLMAO!
Could you possible be any more arrogant? Or ignorant?
@chained2it None. I already accepted that jewishness IS an ethnic component. But that doesn't change the fact that you quoted no definition what told jews are an ethnicity and not a religious group.
You are not just ignorant, but an idiot who don't even understand the simplest things.
@gagnashdiak What the are talking about with the ADL? The ADL issued a report called "The Talmud in Anti-Semitic Polemics" about the way anti-Semitic racists distort the Talmud to try to paint Jews as evil. Thats ALL they said. This video is the perfect example of what they were talking about. And what I have been saying is no different than what they say. So what are you talking about? What did the ADL say that you object to?
@chained2it Actually no. They specifically mentioned certain accusations. The whole report still can be found at ADL's own webpage, wikipedia links it from the Talmud-article. At page 10 (section II/D) ADL discusses nonjews reading the Talmud. They try to explain away the accusation that judaism forbids nonjews knowing the Talmud, but they are guilty there in misquotation, and therfor they are liars. Also not at one point in that fraction anyone mentions jews being evil. (out of characters here)
@gagnashdiak Do you even know what the word bigot means? It means prejuduce, racism, etc. Like you calling Jews liars.
I understand the texts quite well, YOU are the one who is clueless about them,. Lying? Because I am better informed on this topic than you and your fellow ignorant Jew-hating bigots?
Also I see you not informed as your only statements here were "that's not that way you antisemite, and anyway muslims are equally bad". Sry. Try to make arguments and not just empty claims on false bases.
@gagnashdiak "Try to make arguments and not just empty claims on false bases."
That is precisely what you are doing, based on the arguments of non-Jews. I have no idea where you live, but plenty of schools offer courses on Judaism. If you are so interested in learning what Jews believe, then study the religion because you have no idea how to interpret the Talmud. Find someone qualified to teach you. You have no real education about it, but you think you're an expert
@chained2it Sry pal, but how should I know those nonjews' arguments r false if there's no disprovation of their claims (not necessary accusations)? But your base is obviously false when u in discussion about the Talmud base your arguments on the Bible and the Quran.
And again: it is very hard to study judaism if the jews do anything to prevent you from it (like not printing the Talmud, making legal actions to prevent nonjews having access to it etc.).
@gagnashdiak "And on what I did translate I'm an expert"
You're an expert in Aramaic language? Really? You learned Aramaic. but you cant find a legit source to learn about Judaism?
" should I know those nonjews' arguments r false i"
Well, why would you think it was legitimate when they are not Jews? How do they know what Jews believe? Dont you think common sense suggests if you want to know what Jews believe, seek a Jewish source?
@chained2it Your lenght get tedious... Continue this in private? But ontu topic:
Why should I be expert of arameic, when the Talmud is composed from hebrew, arameic and ancient greek too(!), so it is much more easy to go with the highly qualified, allaccepted Soncino (I told this before)?
Anyway learning a language doesn't require lying on your religion you know.
On the other: why not? Also why accept jew's statement when they are proved total liars?
" But your base is obviously false when u in discussion about the Talmud base your arguments on the Bible and the Quran."
Again, the Talmud is entirely based on the Bible, and is pointless and useless without the Bible. It is a series of commentaries about the Bible. What part of that dont you understand?
Also because I do NOT want to draw any NEW information from it, just know its contents, it is perfectly fine to just read the Talmud (not that I didn't read the Bible).
The part YOU don't understand that the Talmud differs at many points from the Bible, and even at the very minimal it is an extension of it. To be clear: the Talmud is NOT based only on the Bible, BUT also on the assumptions of the persons talking in it.
As for the rest, wtf are you talking about? ANYone can buy one! Go to Amazon right now. There are a gazillion versions of the Talmud in print, including English translations. Countless bookstores sell copies. So who is stopping you from buying one?
Jews do NOT even TRY to stop anyone from having access to it. What possible legal action could they take to stop anyone? How can Jews stop anyone from buying a book? Where on earth do you live that you cant buy a Talmud? That's absurd
@chained2it There might be "gazillion versions" of the Talmud, but 1) only on 4 languages you can get a full version 2) there are many untrustable (cutted, edited, censored) version 3) Amazon doesn't ship into all countries 4) etc.
Actually in the entire country I live in you can not even lend a full version on ANY language (at once at least, as I think there is one for reading-at-place in the rabbitraining university).
Also check you precious wikipedia on the Soncino version's history, and see.
@chained2it There is. The only version one can work from currently (especially if you want a trustable, uncensored source), is the Soncino version, and jews still do everything to prevent using that, despite the copyright being outdated on it. Now the "1500 yars" version being all in jewish hands, or in museums, and most of the versions are censored by the jews to the core, there IS copiright-issue. That's the same reason why the Talmud is not translated to more then 3 modern languages.
@gagnashdiak "jews still do everything to prevent using that"
LOL. What sheer bullshit. Give me an example of Jews trying to stop anyone from reading the Talmud. There is NO COPYRIGHT on the Talmud. It is IMPOSSIBLE to legally copyright it, moron. There is NO WAY Jews or anyone else can stop ANYone from reading or purchasing ANY book.
Any linguist on earth is free to translate the Talmud into any language, and NO one can stop them. So what the hell are you talking about?
@chained2it Ok. Qoute from wikipedia: "Soncino Press, considers the works as non-public-domain and that the lack of copyright notices was simply a mistake. Thus, ... in the frum world contended that unlicensed reprint of Soncino texts was unethical and perhaps illegal"
Or I could quote you or even introduce you several rabbies and organisation I personally tried to informed from, but I doubt you could even read the language.
@gagnashdiak Do I need to send you links to the countless versions of the Talmud in print?
Tell me HOW Jews can stop anyone from translating, printing, selling, buying, or reading the Talmud. With WHAT means would they do so?
I also asked you where you live that you cannot legally get a copy of the Ta;mud. You are completely full of shit, pathetic liar. Do you live in a prison?
Tell me something, anything, that Jews do to stop you or anyone from getting a Talmud
@chained2it The problem is the "countless versions". Which is trustable, complate and uncensored? Like rondkinson is only partial and deeply censored.
But anyway I don't need a printed Talmud as there is an online version for free.
Now jews banned the translation of the Talmud in my country by legal action, becuased they said the printer is antisemite.
Also just check what happens with Comeandhear dotcom - jews lie about the contents.
For the rest here I don't even react, you're so ridiculous.
The best book on this subject 'Judaism Discovered' which can be read online and is written by Michael Hoffman: h tt p : / / w w w . scribd . com / doc / 25873220 / Judaism-Discovered [fill in gaps].
He shows the shocking racism and especially the hate for Christians and "gentiles" by analyzing the Talmud in great detail.
He also goes through how they have tried to censor the original Talmud around the world in many ways.
The Talmud is hands-down the most disgustingly racist, psychopathic, blood-lusting, godless & depraved book ever written.
It is more sick and disturbing than Hitler's Mein Kampf, the Communist Manifesto, Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion & The Satanic Bible put together.
If you want to read about how it is OK to rape Goyim women as long as they are over 3 years old, and that sex with dogs is fine as long as you pay them for it, then this is the book for you.
THE SAD PART IS THAT~is this fella is 199% right about how Zionist Jews
~# Have oppressed the { Whities } empowered them into believing they are somehow equals &controlled the { Blakies } though the use Education, Media, welfare & social programs & the { Zionist Jew Bastards } had all this planned out from 1880s onward
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U fools think { NWO } is NEW ~ its not the plan was created in 1880s
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A revolutionary book
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{ Angels on the Ark by Michael Fazio } explains it all!
Most Satanic text written; more depraved than Hitler's Mein Kampf.
According to this all Goyim are cattle whose only purpose on Earth is to serve the Jew.
Oh and it's ok to rape a toddler just not on her rags.
I can only imagine the reptiles who wrote this trash. Sadly there's psychopaths in Israel who still follow it. The fruits of this document: racial hate, ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, genocide, terrorism by the IDF, wanton deception by Zionist media.... the Synagogue of Satan.
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what is this garbage???? where did you get this from??? my roommate has a copy of the Talmud and he says NONE of this stuff is in there!! and no, I'm not a Jew, but 'Jesus' mother was a whore.' ????? WTF??????
capricorn4003 4 weeks ago
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capricorn4003 4 weeks ago
If I had a racist detector it would be beeping as people here are antisemites.
sad times we are in.
Stop being hypocites all religious book say radical things look in Islamic souces they are full of it.
greg91ification 1 month ago
yeah, It makes me think they created a lot of things just to make goyims and gentiles look bad. One point is have you ever seen a gay jew? Just look at MTV and its CEO is a jew. Look at all the stupid linups they have to show how us goyims are bad.
dragnet53 2 months ago
Who needs Jews?
TheKatz84 4 months ago
How can the Jews criticize Mary when Christianity came centuries after Judaism ?. It seems something is not right here . I mean how can they predict what kind of a woman she would be ?. I am just curious due to the length of time between Judaism and Christian .
strongfoot2009 5 months ago
@strongfoot2009 They included that after Christianity. The talmud is a set of racial laws, and loopholes for religious law.
ApocalypticDevotee 4 months ago in playlist Talmud Terror.
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90% of the people in Israel are not Jews nor Semitic. They may call themselves Zionist, but they are not the Jew. One must be born a Jew! Those who occupy Israel are from the Synagog's of Satan, and they rule over the USA. It was already written before it happen. ONE MUST BE BORN A JEW! THESE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN LOOK SEMITIC. THEY ARE THE FALSE JEW! THEY HAVE NO TRIBAL SEED! Zionist caused 9/11, and the Official Story is nothing but a cover-up.
Born2Flesh 8 months ago
Pedophilia in the Jewish Oral Law:
"If a girl is less than three years old, it is permitted to be secluded with her. Likewise, if a boy is less than nine years old a woman is permitted to be alone with him."
--Kitzur Shulchan Aruch: Classic guide to Jewish Law (Metsudah Publications, 1996), v. 2, p. 1023
OrthodoxDarwinist 9 months ago
1:56 I thought Jews didn't believe in hell. So why does it say they believe Christians will go to hell?
zOMGLaserGunzPewPew 10 months ago
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Jews are seeking Olam Haba where they envision the enslavement of gentiles. The Talmud and other writings make this clear: Shabbos 32b claims every Jew observant in the mitzvot of wearing tzitzit will get 2,800 non-Jewish slaves; Eruvin 43b claims that the Moshiach can come on Shabbos Eve (but not Shabbos itself) since, by that time, Jews will have non-Jewish slaves to handle all their pre-Shabbos preparations; Saadia Gaon stated non-Jews will be divided into 4 categories of slaves, etc.
tommy9922 11 months ago
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you are the devil!!! this is crazy!!
csejpagne 11 months ago
Judaism is a disease
stux1979 1 year ago
"If a boy under the age of nine perpetrated sodomy upon an adult, the adult is not liable for punishment, for the intercourse of a boy under nine years of age is not legally an act of intercourse. Since a child less than nine years old cannot commit sodomy, he can also not be the object of sodomy."
"This Baraita supports rav, for it teaches that if a man engaged in sexual intercourse with a child under the age of nine, he is exempt from liability."
(BT Sanhedrin 54b)
SuperAntiZionist 1 year ago
"If a girl is less than three years old it is permitted to be secluded with her. Likewise, if a boy is less than nine years old, a woman is permitted to be alone with him." - Kitzur Shulchan Aruch: Classic guide to Jewish Law (Metsudah Publications, 1996), v.2, p.1023.
"If a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl, it is nothing, for having intercourse with a girl less than three years old is like putting a finger in the eye." - BT Kethubot 11b.
SuperAntiZionist 1 year ago
@SuperAntiZionist
Oh dear, so ur posting here too = word for word what you wrote on "Talmud truth, child abuse and incest"
Viewers: for my response to this weirdo please read my refutation of his remarks on video: watch?v=91BGxd7ygac
It shows quite clearly what the meaning of the Talmud is.
smike53 1 year ago
ROFL goes to show how incredibly desperate you are to try and find fault in anything I do that you're trying to pull me up for posting something in two threads? That's normal you freaking toad, it's a quote from a book.
You couldn't refute anything of what I said!
So so pathetic.
You should stick to the delusional: "that's out of context" or "that means they're trying to help the victims" and other laughable deceitful crap like that....
The truth of the Talmud is out!
SuperAntiZionist 1 year ago
@SuperAntiZionist
Again you refuse to relate to what Ive written. Presumably you have nothing to say except repeat the same old ravings you post on various videos. You obviously have never gone into the subject in any detail You just roam around posting the same quotes. Might it not be a good idea attempt to understand what is meant by the portions you quote? Ive given you the meaning of one of them but you disregard it. You have no idea what the tractate is dealing with but you go on and on!
smike53 1 year ago
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"The body of a Jewish persons of a totally different quality from the body of members of all other nations of the world. Bodies of the Gentiles are in vain. An even greater difference is in regard to the soul . . .Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from 3 satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness... the substance of all divine emanations was created only to serve the Jews"
--Lubavitcher Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson (seen by some as "the Messiah")
SuperAntiZionist 1 year ago
This is sick, just unbelievable !!
i have a similar video..
shadysebaai 1 year ago
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel"
- Zionist Israeli Sephardic leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef in his weekly Saturday night sermon. (October 18, 2010)
Source: JTA
And just imagine the uproar if a "Goy" had said the same thing in reference to Jewish people!!!!
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
jews are a fucking disgrace.
lordofdawhopperz 1 year ago
what a load of crock.
ConstructionHoney 1 year ago
From 2:20 to 2:30 nontalmudic books are mentioned.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
This a a complete and utter fabrication. These are NOT quotes from the Talmud
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Where can a Goyum read the Talmud? Isn't it written only in Biblical Hebrew? Can you tell us what these quoted verses really do say? They give specific references to book and verse. Seems like it would be easy to clear up this if it is false. I hear Jews say these are not in the Talmud but never what the actual verse says.
SawHappy 1 year ago
@SawHappy Actually, the Talmud is written in Hebrew letters but the language is Aramaic, not Hebrew. Where can you read it? THere must be a gazillion copies in print, translated into English. Any Judaica shop or any bookstore with a Jewish section. Or just try Amazon. Its as accessible as any other book
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it There is the Soncino version for free on the internet.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@SawHappy WHy is it my or anyone else's responsibility to teach you what it says in the Talmud? You can pick up a copy in English at countless bookstores and see for yourself. Or do you always just believe what others tell you is in a book without checking for yourself?
Some verses on the internet are false quotes. Some of them do not exist AT ALL, so there is no "correct" verse. And many other are just taken out of context to distort their meaning. So much easier to just accept bigotry, eh?
chained2it 1 year ago
@SawHappy Most people dont even understand what the Talmud is and how it functions. There is a central text that expands upon the written law in the Jewish Bible, including traditions that were not written in the BIble. Then there are commentaries written by rabbis over the centuries around it. then commentaries on the commentaries, questions, arguments debates, etc.
A Yeshiva is a Jewish religious school where Jews constantly argue over the proper interpretation of Talmud
chained2it 1 year ago
@SawHappy Its funny how all these people allegedyl quote the Talmud and know what it says, but not ONE of them is quoting directly from a copy of it, just repeating what someone else told them it says.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Actually quoting the Talmud directly in most cases would require looong time considering the length of the sentences and disputes. Although it IS possible to give direct quotes. I can give sme if you insist.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
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@gagnashdiak "Actually quoting the Talmud directly in most cases would require looong time considering the length of the sentences and dispute"
Exactly. Which is why such quotes are entirely misleading. People specialize in quoting out of context to distort the meaning
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
The quote from Baba Metzia, for instance, is a complete distortion.
It reads:
"The graves of Gentiles do not defile, for
it is written, And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men, only ye are designated ‘men’."
What the maker of this video fails to mention is that is a quote from the Old Testament, the same book that forms the basis of Christianity and Islam
Ezekiel 24:31
"And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are] men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD"
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it
1) why you rell me this?
2) who cares in other books? The topic here was the Talmud. Pointing fingers and saying "he did the same" won't make you good.
3) which BM-quote? (plz folio-number)
4) There is no "ezekiel 24.31"
5) in Ezekiel 34.31 (I think you referred on that) there is no distinction of jews from gentiles, unlike in the Talmud.
6) what "distortion" you refer to?
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
Very simple. I am referring Baba Metzia 114b, which is quoted in this video.
But that Baba Metzia 114b itself quotes directly from the Bible, and is a direct reference to Ezekiel 34:31. All the Talmud is doing is commenting and expanding upon it. It does NOT mean that gentiles are not humans. THAT is a distortion of its meaning, as are the rest of these alleged quote. The Talmud is an incredibly complex work. You cannot grasp its meaning by quoting it out of context like that
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
Baba Metzia 114b:
"The graves of Gentiles do not defile, for it is written, And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men, only ye are designated ‘men’."
Notice to "for it is written"? It is written in
Ezekiel 34.31
"And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD"
Got it?
The Talmud is entirely based on the Tanach (Old Testament), and derives its authority solely from it
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
"who cares in other books? The topic here was the Talmud"
The Talmud is pointless and cant possibly be understood without the Tanakh. If you dont understand what the Talmud is, why are you commenting on it? This entire video is the same distortions & lies about the Talmud that are spread all over the internet. The Zohar is a not a Talmudic book. Its Kabbalistic. But what you fail to mention is that the quote itself is false, The Zohar says NOTHING about deceiving Christians
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
"in Ezekiel 34.31 (I think you referred on that) there is no distinction of jews from gentiles, unlike in the Talmud."
The entire Torah makes distinctions between Jews and gentiles, in a religious sense. As nearly every religion makes distinctions between its followers and others
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak I could go quote by quote with this video and point out how each one is a complete distortion of the Talmud's meaning. But I would be here writing forever, and those who choose to hate will not be convinced to stop hating no matter what they are presented with.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it 1) making distinction between two groups and stating that one of it is entirely not human - there's a bloody hugh difference for me.
2) I still don't know why you send me this.
3) If you call ignorant but interrested people "spitefull", and your only answer on their questions is refutation, then I must say they are more convincing.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak " I still don't know why you send me this."
Because you commented on something I wrote.
Your interpretations, and others, are completely distorted. You do not even bother to try and understand any of the passages. You just condemn them based on your own ill-informed assumptions. What gives you the right to condemn something you dont even understand? You claim it amounts to some kind of bigotry, yet views like your have been used to persecute Jews for centuries
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it UUU, someone was busy! Let's go this through.
You sent me posts what's contents had no relation on what I was talking about. But oh well.
Stop lying plz. I do not interpret anything. But it is so nice from you to say "you are all stupid, only I'm helicopter!" But the whole question is not about the execution of the law, but the law's mere existence - you should finally realise this.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
"making distinction between two groups and stating that one of it is entirely not human"
That passage is part of the sacred literature of the religions followed by half of the world -Christianity and Islam, because it is found in the Bible. Yet you focus solely on the Jews and the reference to it in the Talmud. How convenient to focus on what is by far the smallest group that follows the Bible, and the group that has most often been the focus of violent hatred. How brave of you
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it ONLY THE FIRST HALF is in the other abrahamic religions. The second half is only true on the jews! That's why people blame solely the jews.
Now why people focus on the jews, is because they are "famous" religion (just remmeber the zillion dollars they got just a couple of years ago), but a) the jewish religion is mostly unkown b) the jews deny all knowledge on their believes to nonjews c) many times jews were proven liars in relation of their believes.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "making distinction between two groups and stating that one of it is entirely not human - there's a bloody hugh difference for me"
Distinguishing between people is wrong? Really? It is the basis of civilization, to distinguish between those who are civilized and those who are not. And EVERY culture has its own standards of civilization. That is all that passage is referring to, regardless of how it actually translates into English. It does NOT mean that non-Jews are subhuman
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Distinguishing is understandable. Stating that the other group is not even human, that's what bothers me.
Stop playing deceiver.
Now if those lines do not mean the nonjews are "subhuman", then it is time to tell the nonjews the correct context, and not just deny answering while shouting "antisemite!" Ok?
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "Stating that the other group is not even human,"
That is how it translates into English. Things are often lost in translation.
"it is time to tell the nonjews the correct context,"
I did exactly that. yesterday. Do you even bother to read my posts?
I'll tell you what. I'll send you some links so you can see for yourself. Read them
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it IF "something get lost during translation", then they should have use a footnote. As there is no footnote, you just confessed the meaning in the form of the accusation stands.
Also agains, last time: I didn't asked you any questions about it, you explain that quotation to the wrong person. But ok, send me the links. I'll check at least parts of it, but I expect only bad apologism and more lies (just like what ADL did - you want the link and quotes?).
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
It says "only you are men". It does not say only you are HUMAN. That is your interpretation. If someone tells u that u arent a man, would you think they were literally telling you that you are not MALE? To call someone a man, or a "mensh" as many Jews say, is a matter of behavior. It means they are righteous, brave, have integrity, etc.
When GOd in the Bible says only Jews are men, it means only Jews follows the rules of civilized behavior God prescribed for them
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it You still not got it: it is NOT MY interpretation, but the interpretation of some nonjew people.
Hm, so in YOUR interpretation nonjews are unrighteous, covard, splitted, etc.?
Also plz realise that the conversation is NOT ABOUT THE BIBLE. It is about the Talmud!
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "is NOT MY interpretation, but the interpretation of some nonjew people."
But YOU are repeating it. And why on earth would you ask a non-Jew what Jews believe? Should I ask a Buddhist what a Muslim believes?
"the conversation is NOT ABOUT THE BIBLE. It is about the Talmud"
And AGAIN, the Talmud is meaningless without the Bible. It is entirely based on the Bible. And the passage we are debating directly QUOTES from the Bible. The same words in that Talmud passage are in the Bible
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it I repeat it AS A QUESTION. And there are no reason to reject the claims... (no, shouting "you're racist if you take the accusation seriously" is NOT a reason)
And yes, I asked what other religions and worldviews believes. It is important to know that kind of things, or else we can end up with another Nazi Empire, or a Dark Age.
And again: the Talmud is a different thing from the Bible. Same words doesn't mean same meaning necessarily.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak You choose to accept an ugly, distorted, racist interpretation of writings without even bothering to research how they are interpreted by those who follow them. I challenge you to find evidence of mainstream Judaism preaching that non-Jews are subhumans. There is no racial component to Judaism whatsoever. It is above all what a man does that gives him favor in Gods eyes, not an accident of birth. Jews dont think themselves better than anyone based on their ancestry
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it I didn't accept anything, but you here are simply rude. HOW should I know if their interpretation is not correct, and yours is, if I can't even get access to the source-material and the local jews do not answer questions, or above all jews simply LIE many-many times (this includes ingnorancy of everyday jews, empty accusations of rabbies, and even such organisations like the ADL what lied willfully).
Now if you don't think descendencyis not "racial component", then I call you mad.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
"above all jews simply LIE many-many times "
What an astoundingly ignorant, racist comment. You call ME a bigot, when I've said nothing bigoted against ANY group,& then you claim Jews are liars? Jews do not lie any more than anyone else. And whether they lie or not has nothing to do with being Jews.
By the same token - 'in YOUR interpretation nonjews are unrighteous, covard, splitted".....whether someone is a coward, etc. or not has nothing to do with being a Jew or not, racist
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Just check the ADL's quotation on Sanhedrin 59a, where the accusation was that the Talmud advocates capital punishment on nonjews reading the Talmud. They take things out of context, just like you do at "by the same token".
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak Islam blatantly distinguishes between Muslim & non-Muslim. Islam calls for discrimination against non-Muslims & tolerates acts against them that would be considered sinful against fellow Muslims. Meanwhile, the Talmud passage we're debating begins with a statement of respect - "Do not defile the graves of Gentiles". So do you offer the same criticism of the Koran for what it says of non-Muslims, including urging to kill them? And Muslims rule a large portion of earth.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Nope, islam do NOT calls for discrimination of nonmusilms. It DO calls for killing them (after trying to convert), but the Quran otherwise suggest fair play.
We do NOT debate any talmudic passages. Maybe YOU do, but I'm simply talking (at least talked until now) about the Tamud in general.
Muslims do NOT "rule large portion of the Earth". They have some countries, but that's all.
And are you aware, that pointing on finger and saying "but they do the same" doesn't make you good?
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
"but you here are simply rude"
"you bigott bastard"
Excuse me? I have said NOTHING bigoted. Are you so desperate you resort to name calling. And you call ME rude? Is that the best argument you can make? You've already lost.
'HOW should I know if their interpretation is not correct,"
By doing some reading and research, talking to religious Jews, taking a course on Judaism, or talking to a rabbi. etc. You take the word of people who know nothing about Judaism
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it I told you: jews I talked with either have no knowledege on the topic (the Talmud), or refuse any answer per se, or simply tell lies.
Also I believe for evidences. There are accusations with supposed quotes and surely references. On the jewish side there is absolutly nothing just the shout "antisemite".
Also when there is not a translation on my own language, checking things not a little hard. Also amateurs supposed to accept the professionals' opinion you know.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "Nope, islam do NOT calls for discrimination of nonmusilms"
It ABSOLUTELY does. Non-Muslims are not and have not ever been treated as equals in a Muslim-ruled society. The Koran has many injunctions against non-Muslims. The Dhimmi laws make 2nd class citizens of all non-Muslims. The Koran is filled with hateful comments about Jews. If you can talk about the Talmud, which is followed by a few million devout Jews, I can talk about the Koran followed by hundreds of millions
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it "The dimmi-laws" are not in the Quran.
The Quran is of course filled with "hateful comments" on jews - just like the New Covenant; and like the Talmud in relation to christianity. And the Tanach in relation of some other specific gods. And?
Also if not even a single persona would follow what is in the Talmud at all, that wouldn't change its nature. See?
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "Muslims do NOT "rule large portion of the Earth". They have some countries, but that's all."
Excuse me? What a laughably ignorant statement. There are over 40 Muslim-ruled nations, covering a huge portion of the earth. Every last Arab nation, plus Pakistan, Indonesia. Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan. etc. About 1 of every 5 people on earth is Muslim, outnumbering Jews 100 to 1.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it It MIGHT be that so many people are muslims, but they surely not all live in muslim countries. Hugh difference.
Also the Middle-East is not "hugh" in comparsion of the whole inhabited dryland on Earth.
Aslo who cares muslim's number compared to the jews?
Israel IS governed by judaism, and that is declared by its government.
When SaudArabia refuse to let enter jews that isn't discriminating agains all nonmuslims. Also it has several very good reason for them.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
Countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia are governed according to Islam. Saudi Arabia discriminates blatantly against non-Muslims in every way. Jews cannot even enter the country. There is no nation on earth governed by Judaism. Not even Israel.
'pointing on finger and saying "but they do the same" doesn't make you good"
No it does not. Is there something here thats supposed to make me bad? And what are YOU doing but pointing fingers at Jews as if you are some saint? Pure hypocrisy
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it I did NOT point on jews. I just commented on a religious book's criticism. If it is "hypocricy" to state questions and being sane, then I am guilty. Otherwise you're just a typical jew.
But what makes You bad is that you try to direct attention on muslims instead answering questions.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak Unlike Sharia, Jewish religious law is not the law of the land in any nation, including Israel which has a secular government.
Christianity also distinguishes between Christian and non-Christian, between those who are sinners and those who are saved. And that has resulted in centuries of brutality against non-Christians. I dont see you criticizing them either.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Not the law YET (and anymore) in Israel or elsewhere. The point is we don't want to see any religion's barbaric laws anywhere anymore. For sure.
Israel by the way has no secualr government. They defined Israel as "a jewish country", and that makes them a religious country.
Again distinguishing and claiming to be übermensch r 2 different thing, and pointing fingers "they r too" doesn't help your case.
Also THIS discussion is about jews you bigott bastard. I criticise xians elsewhere.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "Not the law YET (and anymore) in Israel or elsewhere."
Not the law in Israel, period, and never has been. Israel was created as a secular democracy, not a theocracy. Its government does not run on any religious principles, whether its a Jewish nation or not. It is called a Jewish nation because it is the homeland of the Jewish people,, not because its run by Judaism.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it It has been. Denying that FACT is denying history.
Also Israel DO run on religious principles - like Israel being officially a religious (jewish) country, or the distinguising of imigrants (what has only talmudic bases) and so on. Never forget that "jew" is a religion, NOT an etnicity.
When I called you "bigot" that wasn't argument. Seems you have problem with understanding texts, or you're simply lying.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak You can twist things however you like. The FACT is that Israel is a SECULAR DEMOCRACY. Period. That is a matter of demonstrable fact. Just because Israel was created as a haven for Jews after centuries of endless persecution does not mean the country is run as a religious theocracy. That is an ignorant statement that shows you know little about Israel. There are no laws forcing citizens to follow Jewish religious rules. And being a Jew most certainly IS an ethnicity by ANY standard
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it You are either ignorant on the fact the to being accepted as a citisen in Israel, you have to make an oath where you accept it as "jewish" country, on the fact that on the talmudic bases are imigrants sorted out, and so on - or you simply a liar. Youtube: you decide!
Also being a jew is a RELIGIOUS category, not an ethnic one by ANY category. No etnicity can be entered just by signing a stupid piece of paper, but judaism do practice proselitism you know - and that is FACT.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "being a jew is a RELIGIOUS category, not an ethnic one by ANY category."
According to WHOM? That is sheer ignorance. Very few people convert to Judaism. Very few. Judaism does not encourage conversions. The vast majority of Jews are Jewish by ANCESTRY, and both history and DNA tell us. You have no idea what you are talking about.
The word "Jew" originated as a term of nationality, not religion. Jew meant Judean, someone from Judea, or Judah. Judaism is the "religion of Judea"
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it According to everyone but the majority of the jews. Now as to enter an etnicity NO CONVERSION AT ALL possible, you should see why your assumption is false.
The word "jew" was made back in a time when etnicity was equal with religion because of tribal society. Your assumption here doesn't work since at least a THOUSAND YEARS.
Also as "jew" is someone who is "member of judaism", and judaism (like you too say) is a religion, that proves why I tell you.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak 'According to everyone but the majority of the jews. "
No, not according to ANY definition of Jew you can find, wikipedia or otherwise.
An ethnic group has a common ancestry, their own culture, language, customs, etc. That is EXACTLY what Jews are. No, you cannot convert into an ethnicity. You cant change your ancestry. But you CAN adopt an ethnicity. Just as many so-called Arabs today are not of Arabian ancestry. But if your culture and language are Arabic, you are an Arab
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it No. You can quit from being a jew, and enter it by mere decision.
And no. If you're culture and language is black, you won't turn into a black (or arabic. or jew). If you don't see it, just go into Harlem, and say to a gang "Yo nigah!"
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "You can quit from being a jew"
Actually, regardless of what religion anyone adopts, they are still considered Jews by birth.
And again, the vast majority of Jews who have ever lived were BORN Jews. You focus your attention on the handful of converts just to suit your own foolish views
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Might be true to jews, but think upon this:
You are a black person who birthed by a converted black jewish mother (and black father), was baptised, and lives ina country that states that all citizen of it are muslims (in analogy to what Israel currently does), but practices hindu religion.
Then we have someone whose ethnicity is black and MAGICALLY jewish the same time, and his/her religion is ALL THE SAME TIME jewis AND xian AND muslim AND hindu?
You are an idiot who spread racism.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "Black" is a race, not an ethnicity, moron. There are about a billion blacks, speaking many different languages with entirely different cultures.
Again, the vast majority of Jews are Jewish by ancestry, and any convert simply marries into the tribe.
'You are an idiot who spread racism."
Yeah, whatever you say chuckles. I have said NOTHING racist about ANY group, while you claim Jews are inherently liars, practice human sacrifice, etc.
Just an ignorant racist asshole
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it ethnicity = race. I really start to give up with you.
And you DID tell racist things, like all nonjews you called coward, and some atheist jews.
Also you lie AGAIN, and I'm fed up with it, when you state I called ALL jews INHERENTLY liars. I've never even implied such things. I ony said that jews in question of judaism are not trustable source, and I even PROVED THAT through a simple case with ADL.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak I can give you MANY examples of rabbinical literature dealing with Jephthah, and condemning his acts as immoral and unGodly.
The Tanakh is a collection of writings from many centuries. The older parts of it were passed down orally for centuries before ever being written down. There are elements that predate Jewish religious law being developed. Jews were in origin a pagan people like everyone else. Jewish religious law ENDED the practice of human sacrifice among its followers
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it The Tanach - according to judaism - is the word of the Lord, given to Moses at Mount Sinai and so on. But of course it is a collection of bullshit, just like any religious literature. So what's your point?
Also as we can see from the Tanach, humans sacrifice was NOT ended by the jewish religion - darn, it is even the centerpiece of the christian(jew)s!
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak According to the Midrash, God appeared to Jephthah's daughter and told him her sacrifice would mean nothing.
There is also debate over the correct translation of the biblical passage and whether it means she was sacrificed or not.
And either way, it is nothing more than a Biblical story. Human sacrifice is SPECIFICALLY BANNED in Jewish religious law. THere is not a SINGLE HISTORICAL INSTANCE of Jews sacrificing humans, EVER.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it The Midrash is not the Bible nor the Talmud. So who cares?
I'm also aware that a poor apology is connected to flash away the obvious, but there is NO debate over the text's translation. And the text is obvious.
Also it is of course "just a story". There is no god, the Bible and all religious literature is just fiction. But we were discussing judaism, and not reality. And you did not provided any evidence - pure denial is not evidence - that either the Tanch or the Talmud bans it.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
Midrash is partly the Talmud.
The Jews are allowed to pick which laws in the Talmud they want to follow. It's evil by personal choice, you get to choose how evil you want to be. They shape their own evil nature by picking verses out of the Talmud to adopt. They can adopt as much evil into their beliefs as their hearts desire. That's what the Midrash offers Jews while promising the protection of Jew leaders.
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago
@ExoticGawdess Might be partly, but it isn't in whole. I only checked the wikipedia what that is, and it is not the talmud, but instead judaic works, and who cares in that for this topic?
Who cares what jews are allowed? The point is: they can pick the criticised parts, and that is a problem. As the Talmud (aka their god's word) contains the "evil" passages, that makes their religion "evil" (if you want to stick to this word).
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@ExoticGawdess
"The Jews are allowed to pick which laws in the Talmud they want to follow."
Wow what utter rubbish!
"Disobeying the Rabbis is conduct to be punished by death." (BT Berakoth 4b)
"The Bible says the rulings of the Rabbis must be obeyed." (BT Yebamoth 20a)
"The decrees of the Rabbinic council (Beth Din) are not to be questioned, and have equal authority with Moses." (BT Rosh Hashanah 25a)
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
@karlkarlkarl1234
You stupid f*ck. Whoever said the rabbis said they couldn't pick and chose the cr*p of their choice!?
No one that's who. You stupid f*ck. Shut the hell up.
ExoticGawdess 1 year ago
"Our rabbis taught the following Baraita: if a women acted lewdly with her minor son, in the course of which he engaged with her in the first stage of sexual intercourse, the school of Shammai say: He disqualified her from marrying into the priesthood. And the school Hillel disagree and say that she remains fit to marry into the priesthood."
(BT Sanhedrin 69b)
SuperAntiZionist 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak There is a difference between someone who is just religiously Jewish, and someone who is of jewish ancestry. There are very few converts to Judiasm. There are some 14-15 million Jews. Only a few thousand people a year convert to Judaism. And those that do must marry other Jews, so theur descendants are of Jewish ancestry as well, Just as it has always been with anyone marrying into another tribe
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Yep, there is a difference. The first one is a jew, and the second one is an anyone.
Now even if 0 converts would exist, the mere fact that they could exist proves that jew is NOT an etnicity, but a religion.
Also you start to mention racist part of judaism - are you aware of that?
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
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@gagnashdiak "Now even if 0 converts would exist, the mere fact that they could exist proves that jew is NOT an etnicity, but a religion."
Nonsense. You have the reasoning ability of an imbecile
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
Miriam - Webster dictionary-
JEW
1.a : a member of the tribe of Judah b : israelite
2 a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the sixth century b.c. to the first century a.d.
3 a person belonging to a continuation through descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people
4 one whose religion is Judaism
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it And this M-W dict. says "jew" is a religious category. So what?
Princenton dic. also says it is a religious group.
dictionary dc also say it is a religious group. Why you quote these?
Take DDC for instance:
-"person whose religion is judaism" - that's what I say
-"biblical hebres": aka those who believe in a mythical decendency = religion
- part 3 died out, but according to the facts they all shared the same religion, so it is again "some religious scum".
So...
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak Yes, all of those give religion as one definition, along with ethnicity which you choose to ignore.
Sorry, you dont get to make up your own definitions of what a Jew is, any more than you get to invent what Jews believe.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it 1) no dictionary-definition refered to jews as ethnicity you moron.
2) I never cared what every single jew believes. A jew is by definition someone who accepts the Tanach and the Talmud as divine source. So I care what is in those books, for this current debate the Talmud (babylonian one as that has the highest authority from the three).
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
"no dictionary-definition refered to jews as ethnicity you moron."
Every last one of them gave a definition as one of ancestry and culture, not just religion.
You have no clue what you are talking about. Not even all religious Jews accept the Talmud AT ALL. Karaite Jews reject its authority completely, And Reform Jews, who are the largest Jewish denomination in America, simply ignore it for the most part.
You dont get to make up your own definitions, sorry
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Religion is a cultral thing. Etnicity is not.
Again: no need to say "religious jew", as that is repeating the same thing: jew.
And who cares what is someone's personal belief? Who asked that?
Also only karaites reject the Talmud, and all the other jews by definition officially do accept the Talmud. Even your precious wikipedia says so. See, I don't make up definitions.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@chained2it And karaites jews during history were consantly persecuted by the judaic jews. Judaism also not even accept things like messianic jews to be jews.
Now who do not know definitions?
Also as we discussed all along judaism specifically, you simply lie again.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
Princeton online dictionary
JEW -
a person belonging to the worldwide group claiming descent from Jacob (or converted to it) and connected by cultural or religious ties
Dictionary dot c-o-m
JEW
1. One of a scattered group of people that traces its descent from the Biblical Hebrews or from postexilic adherents of Judaism; Israelite.
2. a person whose religion is Judaism.
3. a subject of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
Encyclopædia Britannica -
JEW -
In the broader sense of the term, a Jew is any person belonging to the worldwide group that constitutes, through descent or conversion, a continuation of the ancient Jewish people, who were themselves descendants of the Hebrews of the Old Testament. In ancient times, a Yĕhūdhī was originally a member of Judah—i.e., either of the tribe of Judah (one of the 12 tribes that took possession of the Promised Land) or of the subsequent Kingdom of Judah
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
Encyclopædia Britannica -
In the modern world, a definition of Jew that would be satisfactory to all is virtually impossible to construct, for it involves ethnic and religious issues that are both complex and controversial
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
Encyclopedia dot c-o-m
JEWS - [from Judah ], traditionally, descendants of Judah, the fourth son of Jacob, whose tribe, with that of his half brother Benjamin, made up the kingdom of Judah; .... The degree to which national and religious elements of Jewish culture interact has varied throughout history and has been a matter of considerable debate
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak from wiki -
Jews -
The Jews , also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation. Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Wikipedia is not trustable in religious questions in relation of the abrahamic religions, sadly. For example it states (or stated not too long ago) that jews never ever practiced human sacrifises, although that was clearly the case according to the Tanach (even Moses sacrifised several hundred human beings).
Also notice that it mentions prozelitism, what makes this description false to be about etnicity (no etnicity can be entered or quit by decision).
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "jews never ever practiced human sacrifises"
Now you are starting to annoy me with idiotic comments like this. Jews have NEVER practiced human sacrifice, imbecile. NEVER. Where the hell do you get this bullsit that Moses sacrificed people? The Bible does NOT say that. Its says he ordered the execution of those who worshipped the Golden Calf because it was a sin. THEY wanted to practice human sacrifice. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it You either do not know the Tanach, or simply lying. The Tanach tells SEVERAL cases where jews sacrifise human being. Specifically the characters are: Abraham, Moses, Jephte, and some Josiah. These cases were not punishments what I'm talking about ('golden calf', how you got that in your head?), but sacrifises to the Lord of Hosts.
Interresting that I know more about this topic too then you, whose religion is in question, non?
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak There is not a single case of human sacrifice in the Tanach that is not condemned. You are utterly full of shit. Not ONE.
The ONLY case of it even being ATTEMPTED was when GOd orders Abraham to sacrifice Isaac as a test, and then stops him before it happens. Thats it.
I challenge you to name a SINGLE CASE in the Bible of human sacrifice that is not condemned. Give me an exact chapter and verse, pathetic liar.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it THERE IS. The case of Abraham is directly ordered by Jealous. The case of Moses is accepted by yhwh. The case of Jephte is supported by elohim. The case of Josiah is even propheted (what means it is another adonai-ordered issue).
Here is a reference on the famous case of Jephte, who sacrifised to his god her own daughter in return of help in genocide: Judges 11.29-40.
Now get the fuck out of my face you ignorant bastard.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak In Abraham's case, God told him NOT to sacrifice his son, and stated explicitly that the practice of human sacrifice was abhorrent to him. There was no sacrifice. Nor was there any "human sacrifice" by Moses. Moses ordered the deaths of those who sacrificed to a pagan idol. He did not order them sacrificed to God.
I asked you for specific chapter and verse. You gave me none for these 2 instances. Because you are a liar and you know there was no "human sacrifice" by Moses or Abraham
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak As for Jephthah, God did not ask him to sacrifice his daughter. He swore an oath to God that he would sacrifice the first thing to emerge from his tent. And unfortunately, it was his daughter that emerged. But his act was CONDEMNED, which you fail to mention, and was seen as a tragedy.
Judges 11;40 "the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year"
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak To try and twist a fictional biblical story into claiming Jews practiced human sacrifice is absurd. Human sacrifice was common all over the region at that time, and the Bible REPEATEDLY condemns the act. The entire point of the Abraham and Isaac story was to show that God did NOT want human sacrifices. The story of Jephthah is likely older than the story of Abraham and Isaac, and may be why the Abraham was written to make it clear that it was against God to sacrifice
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak The ultimate basis of Judaism is Mosaic Law, as spelled out in the Torah, which specifically bans human sacrifice. And for thousands of years, Jewish writings and traditions have condemned the actions of Jephthah.
For example -
"he sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering: offering such an oblation as was neither conformable to the law, nor acceptable to God; not weighing with himself what opinion the hearers would have of such a practice."
Flavius Josephus
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it You try to hide in semantics, but I can play with you: The Talmud says "learning the Torah is a common thing, learning the Mishnah is good but nothing specific, but one who learns the Gemara is clearly on the right pass" (I can look up the exact quote too, but all can see my point)
J.F. is not god. The author of the Tanach and the Talmud is (according to judaism). So it is clear for me who has authority in the question. J.F. is not even a character in the Tanach, darn!
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak Find me a single case of the Bible condoning human sacrifice. Just ONE. You are a pathetic liar
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Did that. No fuck off.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak Fuck off yourself, ignorant hate-mongering bigot
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak " judaism do practice proselitism you know"
Judaism absolutely does NOT practice proselytism. It does not seek converts, and accepts converts only after a difficult conversion process.
By the way, Israel is a nation, not the representative of Jews around the world.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it I'm sorry, but you just confessed they do in the second post before this one. Also your wikiqoute tells they prctice prozelitism. You deny the obvious - you are either insane, or a bad liar (what is many times true, just check what the ADL says about nonjews reading the Talmud, and compare it with Sanhedrin 59a, the full text of the quote - by the way here is my proof on jews officially lying for instance).
I way before said Israel isn't equall with all jews - do you read my posts?
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "Also your wikiqoute tells they prctice prozelitism"
Proselytism means seeking converts. Judaism ACCEPTS converts, but it does not SEEK them. That is COMMON KNOWLEDGE to anyone who knows ANYthing about Judaism. Google it and learn something, because I;ve about had it with childishly being called a liar, bigot, insane, etc. just because you dont know what you;re talking about.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Oh, sry, my mistake then. I ment they ACCEPT converts.
Knowing such a petty difference in meaning of a foreign language's rarely used word (and for this discussion I don't feel the need to use a dictionary) is NOT "common knowledge". I assumpted that word from "proselyte".
My point was (you should've been able to figure it out & be polite): you can no way enter or quit an etnicity by mere decision. That is not true for judaism. Now THIS's common knowledge.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak And as I said, there is a difference between being religiously Jewish and ethnically Jewish. There are very few who are only religiously Jewish.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it there is no such thing as "ethnically jewish", as till now I already many times explained it to you.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak And how many definitions do I have to quote for you that discuss the ethnic component of Jewishness? Every encyclopedia, dictionary, etc discusses Jewish ancestry and ethnicity (and many use the word "ethnicity") along with religion. But they know nothing, and an ignorant ill-informed internet "scholar" like you knows better. ROTFLMAO!
Could you possible be any more arrogant? Or ignorant?
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it None. I already accepted that jewishness IS an ethnic component. But that doesn't change the fact that you quoted no definition what told jews are an ethnicity and not a religious group.
You are not just ignorant, but an idiot who don't even understand the simplest things.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak What the are talking about with the ADL? The ADL issued a report called "The Talmud in Anti-Semitic Polemics" about the way anti-Semitic racists distort the Talmud to try to paint Jews as evil. Thats ALL they said. This video is the perfect example of what they were talking about. And what I have been saying is no different than what they say. So what are you talking about? What did the ADL say that you object to?
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Actually no. They specifically mentioned certain accusations. The whole report still can be found at ADL's own webpage, wikipedia links it from the Talmud-article. At page 10 (section II/D) ADL discusses nonjews reading the Talmud. They try to explain away the accusation that judaism forbids nonjews knowing the Talmud, but they are guilty there in misquotation, and therfor they are liars. Also not at one point in that fraction anyone mentions jews being evil. (out of characters here)
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak Do you even know what the word bigot means? It means prejuduce, racism, etc. Like you calling Jews liars.
I understand the texts quite well, YOU are the one who is clueless about them,. Lying? Because I am better informed on this topic than you and your fellow ignorant Jew-hating bigots?
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it That's not "prejudice", but fact.
Also I see you not informed as your only statements here were "that's not that way you antisemite, and anyway muslims are equally bad". Sry. Try to make arguments and not just empty claims on false bases.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak WHat proof do you have that anyone is "lying" to you? You;ve said the same thing about me
chained2it 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "Try to make arguments and not just empty claims on false bases."
That is precisely what you are doing, based on the arguments of non-Jews. I have no idea where you live, but plenty of schools offer courses on Judaism. If you are so interested in learning what Jews believe, then study the religion because you have no idea how to interpret the Talmud. Find someone qualified to teach you. You have no real education about it, but you think you're an expert
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Sry pal, but how should I know those nonjews' arguments r false if there's no disprovation of their claims (not necessary accusations)? But your base is obviously false when u in discussion about the Talmud base your arguments on the Bible and the Quran.
And again: it is very hard to study judaism if the jews do anything to prevent you from it (like not printing the Talmud, making legal actions to prevent nonjews having access to it etc.).
And on what I did translate I'm an expert.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "And on what I did translate I'm an expert"
You're an expert in Aramaic language? Really? You learned Aramaic. but you cant find a legit source to learn about Judaism?
" should I know those nonjews' arguments r false i"
Well, why would you think it was legitimate when they are not Jews? How do they know what Jews believe? Dont you think common sense suggests if you want to know what Jews believe, seek a Jewish source?
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Your lenght get tedious... Continue this in private? But ontu topic:
Why should I be expert of arameic, when the Talmud is composed from hebrew, arameic and ancient greek too(!), so it is much more easy to go with the highly qualified, allaccepted Soncino (I told this before)?
Anyway learning a language doesn't require lying on your religion you know.
On the other: why not? Also why accept jew's statement when they are proved total liars?
Common sense suggest demanding evidence.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
" But your base is obviously false when u in discussion about the Talmud base your arguments on the Bible and the Quran."
Again, the Talmud is entirely based on the Bible, and is pointless and useless without the Bible. It is a series of commentaries about the Bible. What part of that dont you understand?
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Based on, but not it is.
Also because I do NOT want to draw any NEW information from it, just know its contents, it is perfectly fine to just read the Talmud (not that I didn't read the Bible).
The part YOU don't understand that the Talmud differs at many points from the Bible, and even at the very minimal it is an extension of it. To be clear: the Talmud is NOT based only on the Bible, BUT also on the assumptions of the persons talking in it.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak
As for the rest, wtf are you talking about? ANYone can buy one! Go to Amazon right now. There are a gazillion versions of the Talmud in print, including English translations. Countless bookstores sell copies. So who is stopping you from buying one?
Jews do NOT even TRY to stop anyone from having access to it. What possible legal action could they take to stop anyone? How can Jews stop anyone from buying a book? Where on earth do you live that you cant buy a Talmud? That's absurd
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it There might be "gazillion versions" of the Talmud, but 1) only on 4 languages you can get a full version 2) there are many untrustable (cutted, edited, censored) version 3) Amazon doesn't ship into all countries 4) etc.
Actually in the entire country I live in you can not even lend a full version on ANY language (at once at least, as I think there is one for reading-at-place in the rabbitraining university).
Also check you precious wikipedia on the Soncino version's history, and see.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "only on 4 languages you can get a full version"
There is nothing stopping anyone from publishing a Talmud in any language. No one has a copyright on a 1500 year old book.
"Actually in the entire country I live in you can not even lend a full version "
What kind of tyrannical state do you live in where you cant lend a book? I think you're full of shit
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it There is. The only version one can work from currently (especially if you want a trustable, uncensored source), is the Soncino version, and jews still do everything to prevent using that, despite the copyright being outdated on it. Now the "1500 yars" version being all in jewish hands, or in museums, and most of the versions are censored by the jews to the core, there IS copiright-issue. That's the same reason why the Talmud is not translated to more then 3 modern languages.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak "jews still do everything to prevent using that"
LOL. What sheer bullshit. Give me an example of Jews trying to stop anyone from reading the Talmud. There is NO COPYRIGHT on the Talmud. It is IMPOSSIBLE to legally copyright it, moron. There is NO WAY Jews or anyone else can stop ANYone from reading or purchasing ANY book.
Any linguist on earth is free to translate the Talmud into any language, and NO one can stop them. So what the hell are you talking about?
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Ok. Qoute from wikipedia: "Soncino Press, considers the works as non-public-domain and that the lack of copyright notices was simply a mistake. Thus, ... in the frum world contended that unlicensed reprint of Soncino texts was unethical and perhaps illegal"
Or I could quote you or even introduce you several rabbies and organisation I personally tried to informed from, but I doubt you could even read the language.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak Do I need to send you links to the countless versions of the Talmud in print?
Tell me HOW Jews can stop anyone from translating, printing, selling, buying, or reading the Talmud. With WHAT means would they do so?
I also asked you where you live that you cannot legally get a copy of the Ta;mud. You are completely full of shit, pathetic liar. Do you live in a prison?
Tell me something, anything, that Jews do to stop you or anyone from getting a Talmud
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it The problem is the "countless versions". Which is trustable, complate and uncensored? Like rondkinson is only partial and deeply censored.
But anyway I don't need a printed Talmud as there is an online version for free.
Now jews banned the translation of the Talmud in my country by legal action, becuased they said the printer is antisemite.
Also just check what happens with Comeandhear dotcom - jews lie about the contents.
For the rest here I don't even react, you're so ridiculous.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
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He also goes through how they have tried to censor the original Talmud around the world in many ways.
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
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Khitzer 1 year ago
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The Talmud is hands-down the most disgustingly racist, psychopathic, blood-lusting, godless & depraved book ever written.
It is more sick and disturbing than Hitler's Mein Kampf, the Communist Manifesto, Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion & The Satanic Bible put together.
If you want to read about how it is OK to rape Goyim women as long as they are over 3 years old, and that sex with dogs is fine as long as you pay them for it, then this is the book for you.
So so messed up.
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HoodwinkedbyanAngel 1 year ago
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yordanosi 1 year ago
absolutely disgusting
djphlange 1 year ago
how PATHETIC can you get ?
spend so much time posting lies and propoganda on youtube just because you hate jews?
TaoTaoLaoTzu 1 year ago
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Most Satanic text written; more depraved than Hitler's Mein Kampf.
According to this all Goyim are cattle whose only purpose on Earth is to serve the Jew.
Oh and it's ok to rape a toddler just not on her rags.
I can only imagine the reptiles who wrote this trash. Sadly there's psychopaths in Israel who still follow it. The fruits of this document: racial hate, ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, genocide, terrorism by the IDF, wanton deception by Zionist media.... the Synagogue of Satan.
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
outstanding video, glad someone is calling out these zionist pukes that are following this horrendous book.
ontime34 1 year ago
@ontime34
" this horrendous book" - have you ever read it? Ever seen it? ever understood it? ever bothered to check these misquotes, misreadings, distortions?
I thought not.
And you've come to the scholarly conclusion that its a "horrendous book"
Lets all hope for mankind that your not a researcher in university!
Why dont you just come clean and admit: "I'm a Jewhater so dont expect me to pay any attention to truth, reason, humanity or logic"
smike53 1 year ago
religious people are all vile and evil fashists....they all should be punished.....
i call for new neurenberg trails......hehehehehe...
robot014 1 year ago