Wright no flight 1903. Alpheus Drinkwater said flight 1903 is lie, Flyer I only gliding. Wright show photografic as proof of flight. Wright flew catapulted with wind strong. Dumont flew without wind strong and dont catapult. Dumont flew autopropeller, dont help external. Wright dont flew in 1903. In 1906 the Wright asked in letter Capitain Ferber the design of 14Bis. Dumont is father of airplane.
@agente9009 Wright flew 17 Dec 1903, Wright filed patent 6 years before Dumont. Wright got patent# 821393. Dumont play tricks with 14-Bis. 14-Bis fall speed less than fall gradient of terrain. Idiots think Dumont Flying. 1908 Wrights demostrate how to trully fly not fall tricks as Dumont. Dumont angry and copied Wright patent into Demoiselle. Wright sue Dumont. Dumont publicly recognises stealing patent. Dumont abandones aviation. Dumont kills himself 1932. Dumont looser.
@matatan69 Dumont copied patent? Really? Santa Claus too. Where is the proof that Dumont copied?Understand ignorant: Demoiselle used ailerons, not wing warping. Are different systems. Where did you see the Demoiselle with wing warping? Demoiselle was wing with ailerons on the edges. I have proof of "plagiarism" of Wright: a letter asking to Ferber's drawing 14Bis. Where is your documentary evidence? You do me a favor? Push american's fables your anus, american motherfucker.
@matatan69 Americans are big motherfuckers. They want the merit of others. Scream to the world that Thomas Edison invented the incandescent light bulb. But the real inventor is the Englishman Joseph Swan (patent 1878). Edison Swan copied the bulb and patented in 1880. He was sued and had to make an agreement with Swan. This history the U.S not tell. Similarly, the Wright asked the drawing of 14Bis (for letter Ferber), but this story the U.S does not tell. They hide this fact true.
@matatan69 The Wrights flew in 1903? Where is the proof? A photo? Ha, ha, ha, ha! You're a joke. Observe the rule of Science: An experiment should hold true, without exception, for their repetition in the same manner the original experiment, show the same results consistent, every time the experiment is repeated. Never an replica of the Flyer I (based on the original) flew. In 2003 it was proved: The Flyer I never flew.
@matatan69 Alpheus Drinkwater eyewitness to the alleged flight of 1903, unmasked the Wrights. Told the New York Times in 1951 that in 1903 the Flyer I did not fly, just glided. How do we know Drinkwater says the truth? Simple, the replica Flyer in 2003 I repeated what Drinkwater testified: A glider 300Kl and weak engine of 12hp, WHICH GLIDED FOR A SPAN OF GROUND and fell in the mud. Wright losers!!
@matatan69 The Brazilian Marcus defied the Channel Discovery Channel, proof flights prior to 1908. Generated a discussion forum. Vinicius demanded that Channel show who organ certified the Wright flights, and aviation experts which approve the alleged flights 1903, 1904 and 1905. The Americans failed to defend the myth Wright. The site of the Discovery, without notice, deleted the forum. That is, they fled the subject.
@matatan69 In 1903 there was never a flight. Drinkwater eyewitness said: Flyer I never flew just glided. The replica in 2003 proved that Flyer I did not have aerodinamic to fly. Wrights flew in 1908 with another device, Flyer III. They flew after studying the 14Bis (Ferber's letter proves that they copied the flight solutions for Dumont, ie documented evidence). In summary, the flight of 1903 is a farce without scientific evidence..
@matatan69 National Geographic Magazine published a 1953 interview with Vice Admiral Emory S. Land. He said several groups decided to build replicas of the Flyer I original. All of them were not successful. One of them, with ten aeronautical engineers involved Americans, abandoned the project due to simply not believe the ingenuity flew. They said that for that aircraft have flown, need "a lot of horse-de-force".
@matatan69 Jack Cherne worked 18 years in rebuilding the replica Flyer I (for centenary 2003). He said the tests proved the original device is unstable. Flyer I was extremely unstable, so it no replica could fly. Cherne made changes to the replica: a powerful engine and reconfigured with canard wings wider to ensure that fly. Even "turbined" replica of the Flyer I FLEW NO.
@agente9009 When it comes to his (Dumont's) HTAs, like his 14bis (which was designed and built by G.Voisin and R.E. Peltrie for him) lacked a propeller, airfoils, a control system, and the 14bis was designed based on the idea of "Inherit Stability", which proved out to be a failed concept. All can be confirmed by just a casual observation of available photos and film. Dumont's next machine, (his model 15), its wings were glued flat veneer panels, but it fell apart when Dumont attempted to taxi!
@matatan69 The science considers a experience true when we can repeat it (based on the original replica) and the same conditions. Thus, based on what states the science, the experiment with the Flyer I is false. Jack Cherne made a replica of the Flyer I improved, and yet unable to fly. An experiment is considered true only if we can repeat it. No one can repeat the flight of the original Flyer I, so it is false.
@agente9009 What's really ironic, is that of all the active aviator members of the ACdeF, between 1904 and 1908, Dumont was actually one of the "least" successful. Leon Delagrange, Louis Bleriot, Leon Levasseur, Robert Esnault-Peltrie, and Henri Farman (working with Gabriel Voisin) were "ALL" far more successful than Dumont, with Henri Farman leading the lot. Henri Farman was also the first in France, with his Farman-Voisin biplane, to fly a circle (11Jan,1908).
@agente9009 Yep! and that is the reason the Wright Flyer is the true winner, time after time it flew in front of audiences in circles. up and down and for long periods of time. Europeans including Dumont were only making short Kangaroo like hops. Dumont used the Trick of illusion by short hopping along a downhill with a gradient or slope steeper than his falling speed. Wright only aircraft using windtunnel technology.
@matatan69 Answer me: Why the documentaries, books, and bibliographies of Wright's hide letter of Ferber? Because some sites English language publish letter Ferber, but to remove the words of Wright asking the design of 14Bis? Because disclosure of the letter of Ferber is prohibited in American schools? What the U.S. is trying to hide? I reply: Do you try to hide the truth. The truth is that Wright are two big fuckers scrotum spies who copied the flight solutions of Dumont.
@agente9009 early 1910, Dumont announced his retirement from all aviation activities, so the LCGdeNG dropped Dumont's name from their lawsuit. Peltrie, Bleriot, and Levasseur settled out of court, as all agreed to pay royalties to the LCGdeNG, for use of the Wright's patents, so the case never made it to court.
The French manufacturer of the Demoiselle, held a use license for the Wright's Patents and their 30hp Engine,but after a year they only sold 15 of the 50 Demoiselles they had built.
@matatan69 Americans are very cynical. They say Dumont copied the Flyer. Where are the documentary evidence of this? By chance was Dumont that asked in letter the design of Flyer to Ferber? No, we have documented proof (letter written by Wright's own) the bad character of Wright. In summary, blatant espionage. You Americans try to reverse the roles, but here the thieves are the Wright.
@matatan69 Are historical facts? Fine, then submit the documents in french the process against Dumont. What court, and which city, LCGdeNG filed suit against Dumont? What the number this procedural document? Submit documents signed by representatives of Wright filed Dumont court (with day, month and year). If you are historical facts (as you Alleged) will not be hard to present them. If not provide evidence, your story is fable. In this case, shoves his fables in the anus, american bastard.
@matatan69 I know you're an idiot (who believes that Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, and that Wright invented the airplane) but I'll teach you. Notice: an historic facts need have documented proof. Where is the French language document signed by representatives of Wright, opening proceedings against Dumont (with day, month, year and number of procedure). I have documentary proof of "plagiarism" of Wright. And you? Where is your documented proof? Fuck you fag.
How do you figure he was first seeing as how he did not fly the 14-bis until 1906 and the Wrights flew in 1903? The Wright Brothers were the first powered flight. May want to check your dates.
14 Bis airplane first invented in the world and end this shit!
voucan12 5 months ago
Wright no flight 1903. Alpheus Drinkwater said flight 1903 is lie, Flyer I only gliding. Wright show photografic as proof of flight. Wright flew catapulted with wind strong. Dumont flew without wind strong and dont catapult. Dumont flew autopropeller, dont help external. Wright dont flew in 1903. In 1906 the Wright asked in letter Capitain Ferber the design of 14Bis. Dumont is father of airplane.
agente9009 1 year ago
@agente9009 Wright flew 17 Dec 1903, Wright filed patent 6 years before Dumont. Wright got patent# 821393. Dumont play tricks with 14-Bis. 14-Bis fall speed less than fall gradient of terrain. Idiots think Dumont Flying. 1908 Wrights demostrate how to trully fly not fall tricks as Dumont. Dumont angry and copied Wright patent into Demoiselle. Wright sue Dumont. Dumont publicly recognises stealing patent. Dumont abandones aviation. Dumont kills himself 1932. Dumont looser.
matatan69 1 year ago
@matatan69 Dumont copied patent? Really? Santa Claus too. Where is the proof that Dumont copied?Understand ignorant: Demoiselle used ailerons, not wing warping. Are different systems. Where did you see the Demoiselle with wing warping? Demoiselle was wing with ailerons on the edges. I have proof of "plagiarism" of Wright: a letter asking to Ferber's drawing 14Bis. Where is your documentary evidence? You do me a favor? Push american's fables your anus, american motherfucker.
agente9009 1 year ago
@matatan69 Americans are big motherfuckers. They want the merit of others. Scream to the world that Thomas Edison invented the incandescent light bulb. But the real inventor is the Englishman Joseph Swan (patent 1878). Edison Swan copied the bulb and patented in 1880. He was sued and had to make an agreement with Swan. This history the U.S not tell. Similarly, the Wright asked the drawing of 14Bis (for letter Ferber), but this story the U.S does not tell. They hide this fact true.
agente9009 1 year ago
@matatan69 The Wrights flew in 1903? Where is the proof? A photo? Ha, ha, ha, ha! You're a joke. Observe the rule of Science: An experiment should hold true, without exception, for their repetition in the same manner the original experiment, show the same results consistent, every time the experiment is repeated. Never an replica of the Flyer I (based on the original) flew. In 2003 it was proved: The Flyer I never flew.
agente9009 1 year ago
@matatan69 Alpheus Drinkwater eyewitness to the alleged flight of 1903, unmasked the Wrights. Told the New York Times in 1951 that in 1903 the Flyer I did not fly, just glided. How do we know Drinkwater says the truth? Simple, the replica Flyer in 2003 I repeated what Drinkwater testified: A glider 300Kl and weak engine of 12hp, WHICH GLIDED FOR A SPAN OF GROUND and fell in the mud. Wright losers!!
agente9009 1 year ago
@matatan69 The Brazilian Marcus defied the Channel Discovery Channel, proof flights prior to 1908. Generated a discussion forum. Vinicius demanded that Channel show who organ certified the Wright flights, and aviation experts which approve the alleged flights 1903, 1904 and 1905. The Americans failed to defend the myth Wright. The site of the Discovery, without notice, deleted the forum. That is, they fled the subject.
agente9009 1 year ago
@matatan69 In 1903 there was never a flight. Drinkwater eyewitness said: Flyer I never flew just glided. The replica in 2003 proved that Flyer I did not have aerodinamic to fly. Wrights flew in 1908 with another device, Flyer III. They flew after studying the 14Bis (Ferber's letter proves that they copied the flight solutions for Dumont, ie documented evidence). In summary, the flight of 1903 is a farce without scientific evidence..
agente9009 1 year ago
@matatan69 National Geographic Magazine published a 1953 interview with Vice Admiral Emory S. Land. He said several groups decided to build replicas of the Flyer I original. All of them were not successful. One of them, with ten aeronautical engineers involved Americans, abandoned the project due to simply not believe the ingenuity flew. They said that for that aircraft have flown, need "a lot of horse-de-force".
agente9009 1 year ago
@matatan69 Jack Cherne worked 18 years in rebuilding the replica Flyer I (for centenary 2003). He said the tests proved the original device is unstable. Flyer I was extremely unstable, so it no replica could fly. Cherne made changes to the replica: a powerful engine and reconfigured with canard wings wider to ensure that fly. Even "turbined" replica of the Flyer I FLEW NO.
agente9009 1 year ago
@agente9009 When it comes to his (Dumont's) HTAs, like his 14bis (which was designed and built by G.Voisin and R.E. Peltrie for him) lacked a propeller, airfoils, a control system, and the 14bis was designed based on the idea of "Inherit Stability", which proved out to be a failed concept. All can be confirmed by just a casual observation of available photos and film. Dumont's next machine, (his model 15), its wings were glued flat veneer panels, but it fell apart when Dumont attempted to taxi!
matatan69 1 year ago
@matatan69 The science considers a experience true when we can repeat it (based on the original replica) and the same conditions. Thus, based on what states the science, the experiment with the Flyer I is false. Jack Cherne made a replica of the Flyer I improved, and yet unable to fly. An experiment is considered true only if we can repeat it. No one can repeat the flight of the original Flyer I, so it is false.
agente9009 1 year ago
@agente9009 What's really ironic, is that of all the active aviator members of the ACdeF, between 1904 and 1908, Dumont was actually one of the "least" successful. Leon Delagrange, Louis Bleriot, Leon Levasseur, Robert Esnault-Peltrie, and Henri Farman (working with Gabriel Voisin) were "ALL" far more successful than Dumont, with Henri Farman leading the lot. Henri Farman was also the first in France, with his Farman-Voisin biplane, to fly a circle (11Jan,1908).
matatan69 1 year ago
@agente9009 Yep! and that is the reason the Wright Flyer is the true winner, time after time it flew in front of audiences in circles. up and down and for long periods of time. Europeans including Dumont were only making short Kangaroo like hops. Dumont used the Trick of illusion by short hopping along a downhill with a gradient or slope steeper than his falling speed. Wright only aircraft using windtunnel technology.
matatan69 1 year ago
@matatan69 Answer me: Why the documentaries, books, and bibliographies of Wright's hide letter of Ferber? Because some sites English language publish letter Ferber, but to remove the words of Wright asking the design of 14Bis? Because disclosure of the letter of Ferber is prohibited in American schools? What the U.S. is trying to hide? I reply: Do you try to hide the truth. The truth is that Wright are two big fuckers scrotum spies who copied the flight solutions of Dumont.
agente9009 1 year ago
@agente9009 early 1910, Dumont announced his retirement from all aviation activities, so the LCGdeNG dropped Dumont's name from their lawsuit. Peltrie, Bleriot, and Levasseur settled out of court, as all agreed to pay royalties to the LCGdeNG, for use of the Wright's patents, so the case never made it to court.
The French manufacturer of the Demoiselle, held a use license for the Wright's Patents and their 30hp Engine,but after a year they only sold 15 of the 50 Demoiselles they had built.
matatan69 1 year ago
@agente9009 That Ferbes letter is another Fabel of the Dumontians.
matatan69 1 year ago
@matatan69 Americans are very cynical. They say Dumont copied the Flyer. Where are the documentary evidence of this? By chance was Dumont that asked in letter the design of Flyer to Ferber? No, we have documented proof (letter written by Wright's own) the bad character of Wright. In summary, blatant espionage. You Americans try to reverse the roles, but here the thieves are the Wright.
agente9009 1 year ago
@agente9009 .Dumont's first "official" (FAI) flight occurred on 13Feb, 1909, but only
after he had illegally installed the "patented" technology of the Wright brothers. (USP #821,393).
After Dumont showed up with his model 21 Demoiselle at the Aug,1909 Rheims Air Race&Show at Rheims,
France, the LCGdeNG (French license holders of the Wright's patents) filed in court on Dumont, Peltrie,
Lavasseur, and Bleriot for their blatant violation of their patent license. FActs of history!!
matatan69 1 year ago
@matatan69 Are historical facts? Fine, then submit the documents in french the process against Dumont. What court, and which city, LCGdeNG filed suit against Dumont? What the number this procedural document? Submit documents signed by representatives of Wright filed Dumont court (with day, month and year). If you are historical facts (as you Alleged) will not be hard to present them. If not provide evidence, your story is fable. In this case, shoves his fables in the anus, american bastard.
agente9009 1 year ago
@matatan69 I know you're an idiot (who believes that Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, and that Wright invented the airplane) but I'll teach you. Notice: an historic facts need have documented proof. Where is the French language document signed by representatives of Wright, opening proceedings against Dumont (with day, month, year and number of procedure). I have documentary proof of "plagiarism" of Wright. And you? Where is your documented proof? Fuck you fag.
agente9009 1 year ago
How do you figure he was first seeing as how he did not fly the 14-bis until 1906 and the Wrights flew in 1903? The Wright Brothers were the first powered flight. May want to check your dates.
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