I wonder how long it took them to find christians that don't know that. It's in the bible. They legit could only find three people. plus how do we even know they are real christians?
It almost seems as though people just made up stories, copying each other in the retelling over the course of centuries, changing details along the way, or even stealing whole ideas to fabricate new stories, with billions and billions of people years later believing those old tales to the point of fanaticism.
But that can't be the case, can it? I mean . . . that would be CRAZY!!
BeyondBeliefMedia You say I am not here but why the WORLD WORSHIPS ME EVERYDAY in tv shows music videos and movies? Why the WORLD can't go without WATCHING ME for 1 year when the WORLD LOVES TO WATCH MY FACE every day,Go to (God theory by haisch) and press veiw all comments and go down 1/3 that page and read the 1 that starts like this "They say ASS IS IT KNOWN as ATHEIST type there is no GOD" and read it from there,you like many all over the WOLRD know my FACE and its impinted to their HEART.
Actually, scholars believe Mark & to some extent, Mathew were derived from an earlier, now lost, source called the Q gospel (Q for "quelle," which means source). Luke seems to have used Q, Mark and Mathew. John seems to come from another tradition altogether and has many characteristics that do not appear in the other three books (such as Jesus's claim to divinity).
The Gospels were writen long after. Mark was the first one that was writen and The other three are clearly derived from Mark. And Luke appears in there. Mamoth Luke the one who's a Medical doctor and a phisician at the request of a king investigating, interviewing eye witnesses for about two years, about 600 eye witnesses.
Also in 1st Corrinthians it sais "he appeared to me also and then he appeared to at least 500 other people most of who are still alive today though some have fallen asleep."
Look at these poor children whos failed fallen parents are charged with their safety and upbringing. Talk about getting hamstrung at birth when you get saddled with weak parents. Like tossing a drowning man a lead life preserver you just cant out perform a shitty religious childhood. That shit stays with you like getting raped. It never washes off. These religious fanatics should be gassed so they cant fuck up any more Humans with their dangerous religious lies.
Interesting fringe theory, although they fail to account for the fact that most scholars believe the Gospel of Mark to have been written around 58AD, not 70AD. Furthermore, it is hypothesized, and strongly supported, that 1 Corinthians 15, which contains a creed outlining the main points of the Christian faith, that would have been passed on to Paul within 2 to 8 years after Christ's crucifixion.
somebody have to answer ,how a greek old unenjucated woman,like my grandma,was able to speak in languages,she never learned....she didn't know how to write her name but she was praying in arab,and some europian languages...
Who cares about trying to use reason or logic!!! The B.I.B.L.E. says so, so it's true. Its GODS very own word and not man made you apes!!! Yes, GOD approves of salvery, killing, genocide and etc, but who are we to judge him!!! I mean after all, he's our loving father!! he knows what best for us.
James5877 j4manasseh way to go. You caught the slight of hand they tried to pull.Just like Zietgeist and all the rest of the videos. wonder whats next on the old atheist agenda. Imagine living your life trying to disprove something you DONOT believe. How stupid is that
I love the stick your head in the sand responses of christians, for whom no evidence - or lack thereof - will ever be enough to sway them from their "faith" in mythology.
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
The evidence of Christ is everyway and throughout time. He existed, and he was either God in the flesh, the perfect sacrifice or he was a complete crazy loon. Make your choice. For me he is Lord.
hahaha aha aha aa. what a load of rubbish, this doesn't even make sense, just because the gospels were written later. how does that in any way prove that God was not there during those 40 years and beside even tho the gospel were written later, there covered everything that happened from the death of Jesus till the present when they were written
In Mark, Jesus prophesied the FUTURE destruction of the temple. The temple had not yet been destroyed when Mark was written. The evidence suggests that the New Testament was probably completed before 70 AD.
I don't really think there is a gap between the life of Jesus and the Gospel. The Aposteles we're busy all their lives preaching and spreading the gospel, they were in prison, had to flee. Paul quotes in his books verses of John and Luke, so I don't see any problems there. Gospel of John: Bethesda was a swimming bath, describes a pool outside of Jerusalem, clearly not yet destroyed. So it was written before 70 AD, also it was predicted that Jerusalem would be destroyed, not that it already was.
@MrTruth111 The first letters were written by Paul. The apostles, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, did not write the gospels. They were all illiterate Aramaic peasants. The gospels were originally written in Greek, not Aramaic. The gospels were authored by educated Greek speaking individuals who never knew or met Jesus. Of the 13 books attributed to Paul he probably wrote only 7. The other 6 are disputable. Most biblical scholar know this stuff, but most Christians do not.
"Intelligent people" Some Atheist may be intelligent, but logical, thats a joke. What is so logical about taking such a strong position based on nothing but simple abstract possibility. I show evidence and it is dismissed. If you look at the post previous to this you will see. Its not looked at objectively.
During the 40yr gap Paul was writing his letters to churches that had bishops priests wardens deacons and friars. To have such a structure implies an already xisting church, with its own scriptures.That must mean that those churches had no knowledge of gospels of Matt Mark luke John.I think the gospels a we know them where the scripts of ancient pagan mystery play. These plays were enacted regularly, with rituals and much reverenece. This is the root of the Holy Mass.
Its scary to see adults, with little children, blabbing about something they are so wrong about, and have absolutely no clue about. The sad part is, the children will be taught this bull crap as factual, when it's myth. Sad. Religion is stopping the human race from moving forward. It really is sad. You don't need religion to be a good person.
The internal inconsistency, violence, and unlikely supernatural claims of any holy text are in no way related to: 1) The existence or non-existence of god(s). 2) The social utility of religion. It seems that people think that these things must go hand in hand with biblical criticism.
@Keysteeze Those writings are the only thing that communicates the story of god and (in the eyes of christians) gives credibility to him... If these writing were never made he would have never existed. Even in the eyes of christians. Talking in a contradictive circle like a true christian...
@hypr0040 Perhaps I did not make myself clear. When I spoke about the existence/non-existence of God(s) I was not speaking of the historical figure Jesus, or any of the other anthropomorphic deities in religions. I was speaking about the being/entity/object that must terminate the infinite regress. The historicity of Jesus of Nazareth or any other Biblical figure have no bearing on the existence/non-existence of a deistic creator. Nice ad hominem tho.
@hypr0040 Kind of. I am not saying that there is a God. And I am not saying that there is not. No one knows if there is a God or not. I am saying that religious apologist and anti-religious people should not consider religious writings as evidence for either side.
Come on! This is just stupid! The apostle'screed in 1 Cor. 15: 3-8 goes back to within a few months of the crucifixion. Mark's passion story goes back VERY early. Not to mention that even if some of the events are late, that's what the criteria of authenticity are for. Come on! This movie is an example of the failure of the modern education system.
I rejected Christianity and woke up feeling lighter than a feather. Then someone told me something that I missed growing up. At that point it was clear what was being taught to me all those years. I am saved by the grace of God.
@bertopichu Funny you say that. My childhood pastors SON (who also became a pastor) was convicted of statutory rape. She was 15 and he was 30 i believe.
I'm sorry but all I can think about all the dirty, dirty things I wanna do to this beautiful mom. She's so cute! The cuter the girl the more I want to defile her. I'm going to hell fo sho.
I would wreck that chick...I would screw her until her tongue was hanging out silly with iron maiden's number of the beast or some shit playing in the back.
I don't believe in god or religion, but he kind of catches these people on the spot asking a question not many people really look into even if they believe in god. But yeah I guess they should've just said 'I don't know', rather than saying things they make up as they go.
Christianity spread through pure evangelism by the churches which were established throughout the world starting in Jerusalem. It is sad that the Christians who were interviewed here were not able to give more intelligent answers to the question but it is a very unfair representation of Christians. There are brilliant people such as Ravi Zacharias who not only explain the historical facts of the reality of Christ and the church but give a quite reasonable, intellectual apologetic for the faith.
Far too many people think their beliefs = truth. If it can't be proven, then all that remains is an assumption. Most people, I believe, based on personal observation as an objective disbeliever sitting in church with a believing wife, "accept" their "savior" whoever it is following a variable set of rounds of manipulation and pressure. There's also a desire on the part of many to belong to some group of people who will accept them and they'll agree to almost any set of beliefs to fit in.
There's very little evidence that what we have in this world is due to some god, and that which remotely qualifies as evidence is purely circumstancial. Everything that has ever been sited as evidence can also be shown to have one or more other possible origins. We know with a fair degree of certainty how the Earth was formed, how animals came to exist, etc, and it's pretty distant from the explanations in the bible.
Beliefs are strange things. Whether right or wrong, those who hold them will seek out any shred of evidence to support those beliefs regardless of how worthless the evidence may be and they will go so far as to defend those beliefs to the death.
"Apostolic succession" is a nice example of a statement which in the end simply means religious nuts of the day proselytized the gullable victims of the day with some version of the manipulative techniques they use today.
What proof is this? Ask a Catholic priest instead of a protestant layperson. Apostolic succession is what happened. There was no "gap," just a period of time before the Gospels were written. Not everyone in those days could read or write, and as such writings would not have been the main means of evangelization.
Humans are suckers! When an institution tells you what to think and fears you into a belief system by telling you your soul is at stake, you enter into a slave relationship with that institution. Look at the bright side, If you are right you get to live in a mansion. Sounds like the conflation of morality with greed, selfishness, conformity. Sound like heaven is in America.
We are born into sin and will be licked by eternal flames unless we accept the meaningful torture of a god-man? Worship the bloody carcass of an anarchist hippy pacifist who preached against greed and hypocrisy to greedy hypocrites who need saving from themselves? Ahhhh! Scary Religion.
The gap of 40 years is an extremely short time span for anxient documents and history.
Compared to other ancient "historical" documents, the life of jesus is the most well documented event. His life was not only the most documented event but also documented by many different historians other than the ones in the gospel.
The Koran and the life of muhammed was documented some 158 years after the death of Muhammed.
40 years is an incredibly short amount of time in terms of ancient history.
Christianity was spread trough Holy Tradition that are those teachings which Men of God preached,but did not set down in wrighting. This teaching was handed down by word of mouth from one person to another and from generation to generation.
That's why the Bible is the fruit of the tree not the whole tree with the root.
Orthodox Christianity has the whole TRUTH the full picture of the puzzles (christian denominations)
Nobody alive at the time understood science the way the Bible describes, such as the detail we understand now about the hydro-logic cycle. Only God understood this at the time. Human discovery of this was far later.
The Bible describes the correlation between mental/physical health long before this was known. Proverbs 14:30 A sound heart is life to the body, But envy is rottenness to the bones. Proverbs 15:30 The light of the eyes rejoices the heart, And a good report makes the bones healthy. Proverbs 16:24 Pleasant words are like a honeycomb, Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones. Proverbs 17:22 A merry heart does good, like medicine, But a broken spirit dries the bones.
The Bible says that air has weight, but this was only proven by science a few hundred years ago. The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere, which can be observed now with radar and satellite imagery, but was not understood at the time of the Bible.
A scientific analysis using marine engineering, fluid dynamics, an examination of the dimensions of the Ark according to instructions given to Noah by God, demonstrate consistency of the Holy Bible with Modern Science.
You asked about scientists that believe in God. (approx 40% do, and 40% do not) A few famous scientists in the past that believed in God: Copernicus, Bacon, Kepler, Galileo, Descartes, Boyle, Faraday, Mendel, Kelvin and Planck. Today we have thousands also, including Dr. Francis Collins, head of the humane genome project, who was formerly an atheist.
@romansten9 Nobody alive at the time understood science the way the Bible describes, such as the detail we understand now about the hydro-logic cycle. Only God understood this at the time. Human discovery of this was far later.
Many scientists have their faith in God supported and built up by what they discover in science. Its only natural to do so. The whole universe is filled with obvious examples of extremely precise design. There are so many examples of precision that it would be impossible to seriously believe that intelligent design was not involved.
@romansten9 It is irrelevant whether or not a scientists is religious and believes in a god or gods. If he does not obliged by the scientific rules than he will fail and be ridiculed. No scientist is allowed to just make shit up just because he believes in it, he has to present evidence to get the "fact" stamp on his ideas. Has anyone been able to prove god? No.. You would have read about it by now ;) Is there a majority of religious people in science? You tell me! Also add references.
@afroschlan Scientists make "discoveries" using the brain God gave them and by examining something He made, then they take credit for these amazing "discoveries" and give no credit to God! Incredible. That would be like someone "discovering" an invention that someone else made and putting their own patent on it.
A scientist never created anything from nothing the way God did. A scientist can only work with the raw materials God provided. Science doesn't impress me. God does.
@romansten9 Again with the unfounded claims. There is no "fact" label on your god, you people have not presented anything that even might be considered close to evidence for your claim yet here you are, tossing it forth like it's a natural law. Dude, if you're going to present claims than at least have some shred of evidence to back it up, otherwise, those who obliged by the scientific method will reject your claim and ridicule you..
@afroschlan Evolutionists make claims that make any miracle in the Bible look like nothing in comparison. Why are scientists allowed to take things on faith, but not believers in God? Scientists preach about the scientific method, yet take thousands of things on faith. Have you read evolutionists writings? You will find the words: Perhaps, looks like, probably, could have been, possibly, etc. Those words hardly inspire confidence. The Bible isn't wishy washy. The Bible speaks with authority.
@romansten9 The comparison, surely your personal opinion and thus for irrelevant, is it really? Evolutionists surely do not make super-natural claims regarding aspects of their ideology, thus for NO. Evolution is a small part of science and thus for cannot be held accountable for the entire field of science, you should know this (and I'm guessing you do). Scientists can make up what ever the fuck they want and given that time they have a theory at best.. fact comes with evidence ;) Simple..
@afroschlan You keep touting the word "evidence" yet you believe countless things without evidence. In science, there are plenty of things believed without evidence, and many with limited evidence. An experiment may be done 5 times or 100, but nobody knows if the 101st time will give a new result. Its taken on faith. Nothing can be measured exactly, but science says "close enough" Evidence is relative. The Bible has plenty of evidence to support it. Read "Evidence that demands a verdict" for one
@romansten9 I know it's a long and a difficult word and I apologize for that ;) There we are.. it is irrelevant what you believe in (get it?), whether or not it is considered a fact is based on whether or not you have been able to prove it using evidence (it's that difficult word again). Testing it 100 times, is not the end.. it will be tested and used countlessly aftewards and thus for if it fails it will be reexamined ;) Science isn't always right, but atleast they try ;) Come on..
@afroschlan Why should we believe anything without evidence? Yet we do. We all believe countless things without much evidence. Can you prove to me that Alexander the Great lived? How do you know?Do you have a picture of him? Think about things we DO have pictures of. Do you believe pictures taken by the Hubble telescope are real? How do you know? If you do say they are real, you take it on faith.Scientists take everything on faith. After a certain number of experiments, they say "close enough"
@romansten9 Some things do not affect us, such as whether or not Alexander the great lived.. personally I could not care less. The false claim of origin of all does affect us especially in it's current presentation because that gives authority for those who know little to nothing to present their agenda upon all people through governance and we all know how horribly that goes. Can we as individuals prove everything? No, but science can and does, question is do you trust science?
@romansten9 It seems abundantly clear that you do not trust science unless it benefits your cause of lying to people that you know everything through your religion. Science does seem a threat to you people because it explains all the mystical bullshit that is presented with mysticism through religion but isn't mystical at all. We know the shape of the planet, why there are floods, hurricane, volcanic activity, health problems, sickness and so forth.. all previously claimed as mysticism ;)
@romansten9 What annoys me the most is that I can find all these nuggets of information on the Internet in approx 5 minutes yet you do not.. So a) You do not have a free access to the Internet b) You don't bother to look for these things. So why are you trying to lie to me constantly knowing that I can obtain contradictory knowledge to yours, knowledge that has been tested repeatedly and verified by people who know what they are doing? In contrast to you who doesn't seem to.
@romansten9 I was reminded recently with two other countries that are religious down to the core yet have not been doing all that well.. Poland and Brazil.. both highly religious, both in the crapper ;) Oh how well we do with religion on our side ;) Not to mention my country, Iceland is currently in the shit.. a high number of registered religious people yet we're bankrupt.. I guess we didn't prey enough for happiness..
@afroschlan Unfortunately, scientific studies are not as simple as you make them sound. You made broad generalizations about 2 countries. A study needs to be much more specific. How many people in those Countries: Believe the Bible to be 100% true? Believe that faith in Jesus (and not religion/religious works) is the ONLY way to heaven? You mentioned "religious" but not "Christian" Religious works (practicing religion) is the opposite of Christian belief in the one true God of the Bible.
@romansten9 According to the most recent CBOS opinion poll published in the fall of 2008: 94% of Poles claim "they believe in God". Why is the population relevant? Brazil 89,4% Christian. Brazil population 2009 - 192,272,890 people. Poland June 2010 estimate - 38,192,000. Both these countries have a larger percentage of Christians than the USA ;) According to a study the worst places to live in are religious countries.. I know, it's shocking ;) Are you satisfied with the info?
@afroschlan Your opinion polls mean nothing. Belief that God exists is not even what I'm saying
Belief in God and having a personal relationship with God that changes someone's life are 2 entirely different things. The Bible says "even the demons believe" (and shudder)
Believing that God exists ("head" knowledge) does NOTHING to affect someones behavior or character.
Having a relationship with God ("heart" knowledge) does affect someone's behavior/character..
@romansten9 And I quote: "@afroschlan Countries that have placed God first have benefited greatly throughout history." Ironic yes? What ever you say you end up being knocked out and yet you just don't grasp it. It is odd that you have bombarded me with questions yet you rarely answer mine. What's the percentage of answered VS unanswered by you? Dude.. Give it up, your religion is shit.. it doesn't make sense, it has no evidence and it's people seem a bit on the dumb side.
@afroschlan Believers have included many of the most intelligent people that have ever lived, which makes sense because Christianity is an intelligent faith, and rests on very solid evidence. Obviously you haven't researched the evidence the way these people throughout history have. And you claim that they are "on the dumb side" Many very notable scientists were Christians, but you say they "are on the dumb side" You claim "no evidence" That statement is incredibly false.
@romansten9 There is nothing intelligent about faith. Again with the massive claims, dude why on earth would your insane rambling work this time when it has never in the past? The entire world believed that the world was flat at some point even though researchers point out otherwise.. why? Faith ;) To protect an already established unfounded fragile system of beliefs. It's beyond pathetic. You have yet to give us this amazing solid evidence that you keep hammering on about. Where is it?
@afroschlan Its funny you would bring up the subject of people thinking the earth was flat. The Bible calls the earth "a circle" that "hangs on nothing" This was written in the Bible long before science figured this out (among other things that are in the Bible)
Of course, people may not have figured this out (believers or non-believers) at the time, but it was written there, and only God had the knowledge to put it there.
@romansten9 Apparently we have a different concept when it comes to humour. What I found:
1) Job 38:13 - Earth has edges (spheres have edges? NO)
2) Isaiah 40:22 - Circle of the earth (Is a circle the same as a sphere? NO)
3) 1 Chronicles 16:30 - The earth cannot be moved (It does move and yes it could be moved through force)
There is endless more notions, and not only from the bible, that points out that your religion is shit down to the core. So, the solid evidence? Where is it?
@afroschlan You have a common problem. You think that the Bible is a science book. It is not, and never claimed to be. The Bible is (a spiritual book) it also contains some poetry, some history, teachings, etc But we also don't call the Bible just a book of poetry, or just a book of history. Its many things.
For what it is, the Bible contains impressive insight into science. Calling the earth a circle is impressive. You are forgetting language and culture differences also.
@romansten9 I don't consider the bible to be a science book it never brings any evidence for anything it claims to be true, that's contrary to science. The issues people have with the bible and the creeps that go along with it is not based on it's historical documentation or it's poetry, it is the horribly immoral/amoral rules that, thankfully, most of you people reject, for now, as being an obligation. The rules are there, though, and one has to face that fact, though many do not.
@afroschlan You try to pick apart the Bible because it uses different words than your science textbook. You forget that its not a science book, it was written in another language and culture. Even today, we have pictures of the earth that are circle shaped (are they wrong?) If you read the entire chapter of Job 38 you will discover that the language there is metaphorical. (we use this in writing today) The earth is set in its orbit, (stable) this is another thing nobody knew at the time.
@romansten9 Oh, so now it's not a science book when it doesn't benefit you.. The amazing psychopath you call god brings forth scientific knowledge until it gets slapped in the face and than it's not a science book.. you're a hypocrite how ever you wash it. Is the planet a circle? No, it's a sphere. Long before Christianity the difference between a circle and a sphere had been established through mathematics. People didn't know? Dude, amazing knowledge of mathematics was rampant in those days.
@afroschlan The Bible is not a science book and I never claimed that it was. Nice try putting those words in my mouth. It does contain information that science had not discovered at the time, which is impressive for a book that isn't even about science. Thats all I ever said.
The Bible is not required to use terms used in English Science ". (such as "sphere") The Bible wasn't written in English and isn't a science book. Do you understand?
@romansten9 Let's try this from a different angle. So the bible, allegedly, was constructed by people who were guided by this god, thing.. the all knowing and so forth.. Yet we have a book with errors, contradictions and, what I consider, the biggest fuck-ups of all, the earth being flat. You think other cultures did not know what a sphere was through mathematics? Yet your imaginary friend does not.. the one who created the earth does not know it is not flat.. that is fucked up.
@afroschlan ur a fail and uneducated person upon the bible, u think all the things u do becuz u never even looked bothered to read the bible urself, this film is a flawed documentary like the one bill mayher made... asking people questions that is not equipped to answer them, show me where it contradicts and i will explain it, talk and research with open mind or there no need to talk, take ur bias somewhere else u closed minded fool, i use to be an athiest all those questions i asked already...
@samuellis :) Well.. at least I can spell, that's because I have read more than one book in my lifetime ;) I have, sadly, read the compilation of desert peasant retardation you call the bible and it sucked dogs balls. While the west was sucking on their own shit and wallowing in excessive stupidity the rest of the world was flourishing with knowledge and intelligence. Still today there is a barrier of intelligence regarding religion. The dumber one is, the more religious one is ;) That's fact..
@afroschlan oh yea ur funny, everyone says im gramatically incorrect but becuz i write correctly i dont have room to make my points, and if u can read my comments it works fine haha, oh yea well funny how u keep saying tat the bible or belief in christianity makes us retarded its the world views tat oppose each other, science just benefits christianity more, the notion tat god keeps u dumb is common today is actually the original lie becuz i know wat god i worship and how great he is...
@samuellis oh and by the way what kind of science are u talking about tat u have? show me and well see where to go from there since u think evolution says it all haha... i hope that u look at the evidence from both sides of the issue and not just ur own side, if u want to talk with open minds then reply back if not dont waste each others time, maybe Augustine was right when he said tat we love the truth when it enlightens us, but hate it when it convicts us... there has to be an absolute truth..
@samuellis I'll agree with you to an extent, you are unable to make a point unless being a turd is what you're honestly striving for. Your spelling and grammar are horrible but because I used to work with the mentally handicap I am able to crack your code of insanity. Science does not benefit christianity nor any religion. The scientific method contradicts the religious method of blindly stabbing in the dark. I'm glad your imaginary friend lives up to your pathetic low standards, kudos on it.
@afroschlan I guess sicne it's such a big problem with you I'll have to be grammatically correct lol... It's sad how you can look at me and yet not knowing me just judge me, I don't do the same to you or anyone else for that matter. Being Christian or any other religion for this matter does not make us dumber, like the notion that most people lay on us, yes I don't speak for all Christians because a lot don't live like how they should, but I respect you for who you are and what you think...
@samuellis My friend we have to have a ground to talk about this.. Science is always changing and there is a lot of questions it cannot answer or thing that our limited knowldge cannot know to, I was taking honors biology at my university and my professor was an athiest talking about evolution saying all this and that, I was stumped but at the end of semester so I went to go talk to him, I asked him if he was absolutely true about no God, and he wasn't sure, all areas of science can't say no God
@samuellis Oh, what kind of questions can science not answer? What knowledge can we not obtain due to our limitations? You mean, no area of science can state that there is no god? Perhaps some ultimate answer might present itself if we ever conclude all knowledge there is about the natural world, who knows. Stating that there is no god is no better than stating that there is one. Saying: I don't know, since we don't know (obvious) is the default and honest stand, not lying like religion ;)
@afroschlan You got a good point, So much of science is out there to prove that there is no God, but yet they fall short of their claims when their ideas about science change or should I say a new idea somes along. There will be things I don't know but that doesn't mean there is no answer. Evolution says there is no God and everything came about through natural forces, the best example is the Stanley Miller experiment but yet it fails when tested, trying to disprove the existance of God...
@samuellis I don't recall any scientific research starting off with that agenda, on the other hand many scientific research has began on the conclusion that there is a god and it could be proven, Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton.. so forth. On what grounds has science changed up to the level it verifies the existence of "your" god. You have to learn to differentiate between a god without properties and your god which has variety of properties assigned by your bible.
@samuellis Evolution does not say there is no god, man says there is no god or preferably the christian/islamic/judean god with its properties does not and cannot, according to their holy texts, exist given evolution. There is a difference as I mentioned before. You are still claiming that we need to disprove your position but nothing could be more unscientific so you have to choose, either you choose science and you prove your point or you don't but twist around like a twisty thing.
@samuellis Wow.. what a change of tone ;) You tried your best, you hit a wall and now you're trying some sort of a psychological game, oh.. you're playing the vulnerable persecuted person who gets tears whenever someone says something bad about them or Judges them ;) Awww.. I am reminder that your first comment to me was a judging rant of hatred ;) Good times.. Since we've gotten past these fascinating barriers of shit tossing was there something you wanted to debate or..?
@afroschlan not really a change of tone I would correct, I still think you don't know much about the Bible or what I believe in, it's foolish to say that you hold what is so true to you and yet don't know if it's even true, we as humans have a fatal tendency to try to adjust the truth to fit our desires rather than adjusting our desires to fit the truth. To ensure that ourr choice is truely free, he puts us in an environment that is filled with evidence of his existence...
@samuellis God doesn;t show is direct pressence because that would be forcing us to love him and that isn't genuine love, his direct pressence is so powerful that it would overwhelm our freedom and thus negate our abilty to reject him, He has provided enough to convince anyone willing to believe, yet he has left some ambiguity so as not to compel the unwilling... I can say all I want if it's not going to go anywhere then there's no point... =)
@samuellis The hypothesis of gods or a god was not constructed during some years of enlightenment within our species given our current understanding of our environment. It was a relatively stupid period of desert peasants fucking about coming up with sad attempts to centralize variety of social behaviors. Today, given what there is known, there is nothing that verifies a god without properties yet there are many things that contradict your god which has properties and a book.
@afroschlan Well one of your earlier statement you said many scienctific research begun the conclusion that there is a God and can prove it... that itself is saying that the existance of God can be proven, now you point out a good point of gods or God as the one I believe to just merely be constructed. The truth is inside the Bible and resources outside of it, Jesus has been seen, died and rose back up with key eyewitness accounts then to 500 plus people, there was a sudden boom of the church...
@samuellis That is not what I said, I don't even grasp how you could not understand that sentence. Really.. outside of the bible there are eye-witness accounts to an individual name Jesus.. so? You're not seriously indicating that we should use the bible as evidence, has the bible been verified? Millions of people in North Korea believe that Kim Yong Il is, in fact 2010, a god.. so.. is he a god? Is it relevant what brain-washed people believe? Anything else you'd like to obscure?
@afroschlan Historically yes there was so many eye witness accounts, there is a big difference when you talk about Kim Yong Il, he is still alive and we know that when he dies, he not going to rise back up unlike Jesus Christ, so that inference is futile... I mean there are even accounts outside of the bible that proves Jesus really did rise back up again... Am I really the brain washed one or is it you who believes in a secular society where it attacks Christians left and right...? =)
@samuellis Hi there, would you like to buy some magic beans? In this "we know" notion of yours, who exactly are we? So.. Jesus rose up after death.. hmm.. any evidence of that? Bring references this time ;) Yes you are still the brain-washed one ;) I still want to live in a secular society that demands stupid people back up their claims with evidence so we don't slip into a psychotic theocracy like we had in the "dark ages". Although it's fun, people get hurt..
@afroschlan not only do we have accounts of eye witness views from the bible but outside of the bible itself placed in museums around the country and even in other countries outside sources including the Greek text and Roman text... The truth is discovered not invented it exists independent of anyone's knowledge of it such as gravity which existed prior to Newton... Truth doesn't change, only people
@samuellis Oh, you have "direct" eye-witness accounts, wow.. No. Quote: "They were written thirty-five to sixty-five years after Jesus’ death by authors who did not know him, authors living in different countries who were writing at different times to different communities with different problems and concerns".. ;) Good times. Why do you engage in such dishonesty, this would not take you a long time to discover on your own using the very Internet you're using right now. Stop lying, seriously.
@afroschlan Your correct to a degree, the bible was not completed until 70-100 A.D. but the eye-witness accounts were writen before that, most of the new testiment was already completed WHILE the witnesses were still alive, if there was anything that was mistaken the witnesses would have said it's not creditable... We have historical archeological findings we have 24,000 manuscripts the closet other one is Homer Eliot with 600 of 7 Day Adventist... The bible is historically reliable...
@samuellis What eye-witness accounts are you talking about, bring references, you have no credibility with me. Regardless, whether the bible may have some accurate and some inaccurate historical events does not conclude it's reliability outside of historical knowledge at some bearing. Without the evidence for the mystical stuff you just have a guy who not many people wrote anything about. The most important person on the planet ever? Or just some guy who was a good con-artist and liar?
@afroschlan the only eye witness accounts there are are not only in the bible but outside the bible, its the manuscript how can I show it to you I don't hold them except the bible... I mean what do you have that show the bible is not true? No historian would even argue that the bible is not creditable, and those that have tried failed... Like I said there has to be creditability to what you claim as well, is it me who is brain-washed or you by the world?
@samuellis Oh, ok.. So you can't bring references to your point, because you don't know how or you don't have any so instead you want me to prove you wrong.. how amazingly classic of a religious person. I'm still leaning towards you being the brain-washed one. There are endless amounts of valuable information on the Internet if you ever managed to bypass the religious sites. In the bible there are some tiny facts, some errors, some contradictions and some fabrications. Credible?, not even close.
@afroschlan Your a joke my friend... Instead of accepting the facts and you trying to prove me wrong in which your not at all, you can say I'm brain wash all you want but like I said the truth is not invented by men it is absolute and always exist all we do is discover it, there is no I research all the time trying to bypass my pass atheist ignorance I had so i don't need people to tell me I'm wrong... There is no condractions or errors, only your interpretation of it is wrong... =)
@samuellis I saw that this wasn't going anywhere and I didn't want to waste my time with such a dishonest opponent who didn't even have the decency to bring forth references to back up his claims. All you managed to do was to assert endless amount of unreasonable claims which you did not back up and when confronted you just flat out lied to my face. Kudos on the christian ethics, you have surely proven why it's not needed.
@afroschlan Yea I know it's not going anywhere I mean you can call me dishonest but yet your ignornant to try and be even a little open to what I say... You claim that I don't bring evidence but yet you can't refute anything I say so maybe I can say the same thing to you why you haven't proved anything to me and haven't said anything I have never heard, if someone can prove me me Christianity is wrong I'll go back to my old athestism... =)
@samuellis Being open minded to an unverified and quite a dangerous world view is the opposite of ignorance. We are able to reject stupidity when in it's presence because we're not ignorant. I refuted a bunch of crap you tossed at me, even if I had not how does that justify your not providing evidence or, at least, references to your notions? Yes, you are horribly dishonest and an immoral, unethical person, given your behavior. Christianity seems to suite you nicely, kudos on that.
@samuellis Also, sweetheart, I'm not obligated to refute your claims unless you have brought forth, at least, some evidence to back up your case. You did not bring forth any such evidence nor even a reference to anything and thus for you cannot claim me responsible just because I did not go out of my way to force feed you information. Do your own dirty work and grow the fuck up!
@afroschlan Your just a dumb kid who thinks your all that, idiot who think your right, your a fool you didn't prove anything and yet let alone refute what I had to say.. Haha not ignornant kid, I know exactly what that is because I was once ignornant just as you are.. Coming online and trying top disprove Christianity and then making yourself look stupid cussing and being unethical, thanks for the talk fool it's people like you who are dangerous... Don't waste each others time and grow up kid...
@afroschlan To me it just means that obviously not that they haven't found God which a lot of Christians use, but athiest doesn't take acknowledge of a God Some are very open minded yet others aren't just becuase they were brought up that way, like myself I never realize there was a need for a freakin God, hated religion and thought everyone who believed was just pure stupid, I'm a biochemist major and love physics maybe I might minor in that, but the more I looked at it the more God made sense.
@samuellis When you say, they don't acknowledge a god, do you mean an undefined god or gods, as in a god or gods without assigned properties or unknown? What is this need for a god or gods? Why did you hate religion previously and why choose Christianity above any other religion? How did biochemistry lean you towards not only religion but Christianity?
@afroschlan You pose very good questions, what I ment by acknowledge is that becuase you don't that there is a higher power then the idea of God or Gods goes out the door. The need is crucial because we then start to understand the philosophical notion of our purpose and we want to know why we are here, you know who your parents are and we want to know who the creator is, I hated religion because my lack of understanding, Christianity because you establish that there is a God, well which one?
@samuellis No. Grandeur above humans.. easy, everything. The sun, the moon, water, fire, radiation, solar systems, galaxies, black holes, you name it, it's grander with much higher power. Is there higher power? Yes. It's verifiable. The higher power you consider has not been verified, in any way. To set something down into a book is not evidence enough for such grandeur. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, that's just how it goes. You are aware of the scientific method right?
@samuellis Given that you are a biochemist, or so you claim, you are aware that there are rules to verification. You don't honestly expect me to just take your word for it or the words of some bronze age desert peasants? You didn't answer my question of why you chose Christianity of all the religions that are? You may require your purpose to come from some sort of a creator but in reality, we're just mammals, just another animal with basic functions, needs and purpose. You need more?
@afroschlan Haha I would like to say I'm a biochemist but I'm not at least I don't consider myself that yet still working on it i'll get there, there so much that I can cover on biochem but I its really hard for me to understand how there is no God if what I'm learning is true I mean the study is about chemical process of living organism (obvisously more than tat and all i learn) if there is a creator there has to be some way that we can know him then we look at which religion makes more sense..
@samuellis You have to, at least, put a couple of periods and commas, here and there. This was pretty much a 500 letter sentence, probably the longest sentence ever made.. I had difficulties grasping the entire point. On what grounds does your study require a god? I have, myself, a family member who is a PhD in Biochemistry and my sister happens to be a regular old PhD in chemistry and I did force this question upon them.. they pretty much said no.. there is no requirement.
@afroschlan I'm not an english major do I really have to put commas and periods... haha my studies don't say that there has to be a God, no where did I say that, but it's what you learn that makes you think, the universe is not eternal it had to have a start we know that through astronomy. I don't look that far into the space but Francis Collins the head of the human genome project says there has to be a God, not all scientist believe in God but people have their explanation of the our origins..
@samuellis Actually the origin of the universe is still being questioned and pondered. We have an alternative notion to the big bang f.x. the oscillating universe which does not require a beginning and thus for no god. Even though if we go with the world beginning at one point, there is no reason to assume that a god did it. Even if one would conclude that a god created the universe, assuming that he focuses on one planet and one species is somewhat of a stretch. So why Christianity?
@afroschlan "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind" a quote said from the great Enstein. We know that the big bang happened because of 2 crazy guys Penzias & Wilson who won the Nobel Prize for their finding of the after glow of the big bang. The universe is expanding there has to have a beginning and therefore has to have a cause. The sun energy is not eternal because the sun is losing energy according the NASA and Newton 2 law of thermodynamics, Christianity :)
@samuellis His personal opinion was fascinating, yet irrelevant.
The big bang theory, is still somewhat accepted yet it does not explain the whole "story". What happened or if something happened before the big bang is still being debated and researched. So, did matter/energy always exist, was it "created" from nothing by your god, did it spring into action, by accident, does it always happen, has it happened before.. Questions are still being asked and answered so we don't have a conclusion yet.
@samuellis To conclude that we have an actual, binding answer when there isn't one is very irresponsible and often shows a very biased view from people with a preconceived notion. To spread that view forth and claim it to be a fact and than to mangle it, somehow, adding additional properties to it is not only wrong but ethically wrong. Today, there is no definite reason to conclude that there is a god, not a god without properties and definitely not a god with properties such as yours.
@afroschlan Yes I understand what your saying but the same rules has to apply even if something did happen before sure, there was something before the big bang because there had to be a cause, like I said we know the universe is not eternal so where did it all come from? It is more reasonable to say that energy/matter spring out of the bloom from nothing or is it more reasonable to say something created it? Its not beyond all doubt but its beyond reasonable doubt, I could be wrong but so can you
@samuellis No, I can not be equally wrong to you because my stand is: ? (I don't know). That is contrary to your answer which is: I know, it was god. Since none of the most intelligent people on the planet know I'm going to lean towards their position rather than picking up the position of someone who is biased towards their preconceived notion. As I mentioned earlier, adding god to the equation of where did all this matter come from is not a solution. Where did god get the stuff?
@afroschlan When you say I don't know it actually means you know something because you are standing on one side of the picture, I am sure beyond reasonable doubt there is a God rather than saying there isn't a God, the question where did God get the stuff, he is God and he created it, like I said the universe is not eternal because astronomers know the universe is expanding so there has to be a point of start.. Biased? aren't we all? :)
@samuellis Yeah, you're right, I know that I don't know, philosophy at it's best ;) Trying to have other people believe in a concept which is unprovable and contradictory to reality requires allot of credibility. It's one of those things the religious just don't have unless you're only going for the "less intelligent" creatures. Adding a dubious variable into, an already, difficult equation does not help solving the equation, it just makes it more difficult. It contradicts mathamatics.
@afroschlan I think religion and science are a great combination and doesn't collide with each other, well like I said, I may be wrong in the end but I would rather follow what makes the most sense to me and who has the stronger explaination of things if there is a God then great I'm right and if there's not then I lived my life good without regrets and with a purpose, hopefully you can say the same things bro Well have a blessed Thanksgiving don't indugle to much haha, God bless you and yours.
@lucky258i Woohoo, another religious person behaving just as one expected. Your superior ethics and morals shine through like a turd in the sun, Jesus would be so proud of you right now ;) Is it my problem that you have not read your own "holy-scripture".. I wonder just how holy it is given your lack of interest and motivation to actually read the damn thing. Why don't we start with Isaiah 40:22, The world is a circle :) Why not a sphere? Some have sad explanations for this.
@afroschlan The bible does not say the world was flat. You have proved you are liar and not to be trusted. That is unless you show the chapter and verse where the bible says so. And then I will show you where the bible says the earth is round and God hangs is on nothing.
@TheSkymega I don't have to ;) You just made two massive claims and I'm going to need to ask you to bring evidence for them, otherwise you're a "proven" liar.. Sorry dude, you shouldn't make such claims without bringing evidence to back them up yet demand evidence of others.. what was it that the bible says? Do to others.. something ;)
@afroschlan Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, [and] hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Isa 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
There you have it, the earth is stated to be round and hangs the earth on nothing.
The difference between a circle and a sphere is one is two dimensional, the other is three dimensional.. it's not a major issue, obviously :) One indicates a flat earth (as I've mentioned hence my statement) the other indicates a ball like earth (which it is). Sadly you've brought nothing to the table that contradicts my claim.. you could have brought forth the limitations of the language it was presented in (hebrew).. Later dude.
@TheSkymega In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. A literal translation of Job 26:10 is “He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end.” Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round earth by use of the word circle (e.g., New King James Bible and New American Standard Bible). If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle.
This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical earth. Yet here it is recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins. This suggests day and night on a spherical globe.
Funny cuz historians have accepted jesus dying on the cross as a historical fact.
Zaclarke123 1 day ago
I wonder how long it took them to find christians that don't know that. It's in the bible. They legit could only find three people. plus how do we even know they are real christians?
Zaclarke123 1 day ago
lol
MrFingers1974 1 month ago
the guy who made this is a complete IDIOT.
BoyDeliveryMan 1 month ago
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Zaclarke123 1 day ago
@BoyDeliveryMan John spread it. They were just bad christians.
Zaclarke123 1 day ago
It almost seems as though people just made up stories, copying each other in the retelling over the course of centuries, changing details along the way, or even stealing whole ideas to fabricate new stories, with billions and billions of people years later believing those old tales to the point of fanaticism.
But that can't be the case, can it? I mean . . . that would be CRAZY!!
rmcdaniel423 4 months ago 3
BeyondBeliefMedia You say I am not here but why the WORLD WORSHIPS ME EVERYDAY in tv shows music videos and movies? Why the WORLD can't go without WATCHING ME for 1 year when the WORLD LOVES TO WATCH MY FACE every day,Go to (God theory by haisch) and press veiw all comments and go down 1/3 that page and read the 1 that starts like this "They say ASS IS IT KNOWN as ATHEIST type there is no GOD" and read it from there,you like many all over the WOLRD know my FACE and its impinted to their HEART.
waynnart 5 months ago
Actually, scholars believe Mark & to some extent, Mathew were derived from an earlier, now lost, source called the Q gospel (Q for "quelle," which means source). Luke seems to have used Q, Mark and Mathew. John seems to come from another tradition altogether and has many characteristics that do not appear in the other three books (such as Jesus's claim to divinity).
EyeLean5280 6 months ago
The Gospels were writen long after. Mark was the first one that was writen and The other three are clearly derived from Mark. And Luke appears in there. Mamoth Luke the one who's a Medical doctor and a phisician at the request of a king investigating, interviewing eye witnesses for about two years, about 600 eye witnesses.
Also in 1st Corrinthians it sais "he appeared to me also and then he appeared to at least 500 other people most of who are still alive today though some have fallen asleep."
desasterz 6 months ago
Look at these poor children whos failed fallen parents are charged with their safety and upbringing. Talk about getting hamstrung at birth when you get saddled with weak parents. Like tossing a drowning man a lead life preserver you just cant out perform a shitty religious childhood. That shit stays with you like getting raped. It never washes off. These religious fanatics should be gassed so they cant fuck up any more Humans with their dangerous religious lies.
699backstab 7 months ago 6
@699backstab Edgar Cayce.
Thsotus 4 months ago
Interesting fringe theory, although they fail to account for the fact that most scholars believe the Gospel of Mark to have been written around 58AD, not 70AD. Furthermore, it is hypothesized, and strongly supported, that 1 Corinthians 15, which contains a creed outlining the main points of the Christian faith, that would have been passed on to Paul within 2 to 8 years after Christ's crucifixion.
dcm4294 7 months ago
to truly comprehend what is god is like trying to figure out who Santa Claus is..... there isnt much to figure out, they're both imaginary.
gambitx4000 7 months ago 5
Religious People = Unevolved Mind....Simple relay. Peace my fellow brothers and sisters of the stars and wake up.
AlwaysWearYourHelmet 7 months ago
somebody have to answer ,how a greek old unenjucated woman,like my grandma,was able to speak in languages,she never learned....she didn't know how to write her name but she was praying in arab,and some europian languages...
1TRUTH2U 8 months ago
@1TRUTH2U
Memorized prayer, what else. Lots of Catholics do it.
Say, have you seen a talking snake?
johnzkeePW 4 months ago
Who cares about trying to use reason or logic!!! The B.I.B.L.E. says so, so it's true. Its GODS very own word and not man made you apes!!! Yes, GOD approves of salvery, killing, genocide and etc, but who are we to judge him!!! I mean after all, he's our loving father!! he knows what best for us.
metalbandsrule 8 months ago
James5877 j4manasseh way to go. You caught the slight of hand they tried to pull.Just like Zietgeist and all the rest of the videos. wonder whats next on the old atheist agenda. Imagine living your life trying to disprove something you DONOT believe. How stupid is that
ttnsam 9 months ago
I love the stick your head in the sand responses of christians, for whom no evidence - or lack thereof - will ever be enough to sway them from their "faith" in mythology.
jake44514 9 months ago 3
1 Corinthians 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
The evidence of Christ is everyway and throughout time. He existed, and he was either God in the flesh, the perfect sacrifice or he was a complete crazy loon. Make your choice. For me he is Lord.
osteencitadel 10 months ago
hahaha aha aha aa. what a load of rubbish, this doesn't even make sense, just because the gospels were written later. how does that in any way prove that God was not there during those 40 years and beside even tho the gospel were written later, there covered everything that happened from the death of Jesus till the present when they were written
j4manasseh 10 months ago
In Mark, Jesus prophesied the FUTURE destruction of the temple. The temple had not yet been destroyed when Mark was written. The evidence suggests that the New Testament was probably completed before 70 AD.
James5877 10 months ago
It's funny how they never interview anyone reasonably intelligent.
xXSparky117Xx 10 months ago
@xXSparky117Xx It would be too hard to find intelligence among religious people. they lack logic and common sense.
gambitx4000 7 months ago 2
@gambitx4000
Yeah because they all just accept what they're told and never actually try to truly comprehend what God is.
xXSparky117Xx 7 months ago
I don't really think there is a gap between the life of Jesus and the Gospel. The Aposteles we're busy all their lives preaching and spreading the gospel, they were in prison, had to flee. Paul quotes in his books verses of John and Luke, so I don't see any problems there. Gospel of John: Bethesda was a swimming bath, describes a pool outside of Jerusalem, clearly not yet destroyed. So it was written before 70 AD, also it was predicted that Jerusalem would be destroyed, not that it already was.
MrTruth111 11 months ago
@MrTruth111 The first letters were written by Paul. The apostles, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, did not write the gospels. They were all illiterate Aramaic peasants. The gospels were originally written in Greek, not Aramaic. The gospels were authored by educated Greek speaking individuals who never knew or met Jesus. Of the 13 books attributed to Paul he probably wrote only 7. The other 6 are disputable. Most biblical scholar know this stuff, but most Christians do not.
burkerow 11 months ago
"Intelligent people" Some Atheist may be intelligent, but logical, thats a joke. What is so logical about taking such a strong position based on nothing but simple abstract possibility. I show evidence and it is dismissed. If you look at the post previous to this you will see. Its not looked at objectively.
miket1m 11 months ago
During the 40yr gap Paul was writing his letters to churches that had bishops priests wardens deacons and friars. To have such a structure implies an already xisting church, with its own scriptures.That must mean that those churches had no knowledge of gospels of Matt Mark luke John.I think the gospels a we know them where the scripts of ancient pagan mystery play. These plays were enacted regularly, with rituals and much reverenece. This is the root of the Holy Mass.
the basis of Pauls Faith.
GARYWERSLEY 11 months ago
WOW Christianity was spread throughout history by the disciples. DUH!
SunnyLovetts 1 year ago
is god ever gonna keep his promisee :(
invaseline 1 year ago
@invaseline God is not slack concerning his promise but longsuffering. Not willing that any should perish.
That means that once the last person God is planning to save is saved, that's it.
TheSkymega 11 months ago
Its scary to see adults, with little children, blabbing about something they are so wrong about, and have absolutely no clue about. The sad part is, the children will be taught this bull crap as factual, when it's myth. Sad. Religion is stopping the human race from moving forward. It really is sad. You don't need religion to be a good person.
ferrari092379 1 year ago
The internal inconsistency, violence, and unlikely supernatural claims of any holy text are in no way related to: 1) The existence or non-existence of god(s). 2) The social utility of religion. It seems that people think that these things must go hand in hand with biblical criticism.
Keysteeze 1 year ago
@Keysteeze Those writings are the only thing that communicates the story of god and (in the eyes of christians) gives credibility to him... If these writing were never made he would have never existed. Even in the eyes of christians. Talking in a contradictive circle like a true christian...
hypr0040 1 year ago
@hypr0040 Perhaps I did not make myself clear. When I spoke about the existence/non-existence of God(s) I was not speaking of the historical figure Jesus, or any of the other anthropomorphic deities in religions. I was speaking about the being/entity/object that must terminate the infinite regress. The historicity of Jesus of Nazareth or any other Biblical figure have no bearing on the existence/non-existence of a deistic creator. Nice ad hominem tho.
Keysteeze 1 year ago
@Keysteeze So, you're saying there is a god but religious writings have no relation whatsoever?
hypr0040 1 year ago
@hypr0040 Kind of. I am not saying that there is a God. And I am not saying that there is not. No one knows if there is a God or not. I am saying that religious apologist and anti-religious people should not consider religious writings as evidence for either side.
Keysteeze 1 year ago
Come on! This is just stupid! The apostle'screed in 1 Cor. 15: 3-8 goes back to within a few months of the crucifixion. Mark's passion story goes back VERY early. Not to mention that even if some of the events are late, that's what the criteria of authenticity are for. Come on! This movie is an example of the failure of the modern education system.
lifeandphilosophy 1 year ago
I rejected Christianity and woke up feeling lighter than a feather. Then someone told me something that I missed growing up. At that point it was clear what was being taught to me all those years. I am saved by the grace of God.
mindovermuscle2 1 year ago
@mindovermuscle2 I feel you brother!!!! i was also a christian until my pastor was sentenced to jail for raping a child. I then woke up man!
bertopichu 1 year ago
@bertopichu Funny you say that. My childhood pastors SON (who also became a pastor) was convicted of statutory rape. She was 15 and he was 30 i believe.
hypr0040 1 year ago
What's so hard too believe? Jesus attained escape velocity and flew into outer space. Sounds reasonable...
setmedic 1 year ago 3
@setmedic lol, thats funny.
miket1m 11 months ago
I'm sorry but all I can think about all the dirty, dirty things I wanna do to this beautiful mom. She's so cute! The cuter the girl the more I want to defile her. I'm going to hell fo sho.
slpuente 1 year ago
I don't believe SUPERNATURAL, in neither god nor the devil. i am just good guy like you.
1111goodmorning 1 year ago
I would wreck that chick...I would screw her until her tongue was hanging out silly with iron maiden's number of the beast or some shit playing in the back.
yanniskusogaki 1 year ago
Well,
I don't believe in god or religion, but he kind of catches these people on the spot asking a question not many people really look into even if they believe in god. But yeah I guess they should've just said 'I don't know', rather than saying things they make up as they go.
Johnnydry2 1 year ago
Christianity spread through pure evangelism by the churches which were established throughout the world starting in Jerusalem. It is sad that the Christians who were interviewed here were not able to give more intelligent answers to the question but it is a very unfair representation of Christians. There are brilliant people such as Ravi Zacharias who not only explain the historical facts of the reality of Christ and the church but give a quite reasonable, intellectual apologetic for the faith.
jgtr 1 year ago
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Faith is to believe in something even if you can't prove it
AMY1213141 1 year ago
Fals video!
fastleppard 1 year ago
Far too many people think their beliefs = truth. If it can't be proven, then all that remains is an assumption. Most people, I believe, based on personal observation as an objective disbeliever sitting in church with a believing wife, "accept" their "savior" whoever it is following a variable set of rounds of manipulation and pressure. There's also a desire on the part of many to belong to some group of people who will accept them and they'll agree to almost any set of beliefs to fit in.
choices1111 1 year ago
There's very little evidence that what we have in this world is due to some god, and that which remotely qualifies as evidence is purely circumstancial. Everything that has ever been sited as evidence can also be shown to have one or more other possible origins. We know with a fair degree of certainty how the Earth was formed, how animals came to exist, etc, and it's pretty distant from the explanations in the bible.
choices1111 1 year ago
Beliefs are strange things. Whether right or wrong, those who hold them will seek out any shred of evidence to support those beliefs regardless of how worthless the evidence may be and they will go so far as to defend those beliefs to the death.
"Apostolic succession" is a nice example of a statement which in the end simply means religious nuts of the day proselytized the gullable victims of the day with some version of the manipulative techniques they use today.
choices1111 1 year ago
What proof is this? Ask a Catholic priest instead of a protestant layperson. Apostolic succession is what happened. There was no "gap," just a period of time before the Gospels were written. Not everyone in those days could read or write, and as such writings would not have been the main means of evangelization.
jonnyangerer 1 year ago
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Humans are suckers! When an institution tells you what to think and fears you into a belief system by telling you your soul is at stake, you enter into a slave relationship with that institution. Look at the bright side, If you are right you get to live in a mansion. Sounds like the conflation of morality with greed, selfishness, conformity. Sound like heaven is in America.
johmmings 1 year ago
We are born into sin and will be licked by eternal flames unless we accept the meaningful torture of a god-man? Worship the bloody carcass of an anarchist hippy pacifist who preached against greed and hypocrisy to greedy hypocrites who need saving from themselves? Ahhhh! Scary Religion.
johmmings 1 year ago
The gap of 40 years is an extremely short time span for anxient documents and history.
Compared to other ancient "historical" documents, the life of jesus is the most well documented event. His life was not only the most documented event but also documented by many different historians other than the ones in the gospel.
The Koran and the life of muhammed was documented some 158 years after the death of Muhammed.
40 years is an incredibly short amount of time in terms of ancient history.
edwardbyoon 1 year ago
wow, there are alot of extremely un-educated folks commenting on here.
helpmetony 1 year ago 13
@helpmetony second that. nobody here is looking for an intelligent debate. they simply spout their own ideas.
PS. "God" only exists in your mind folks ...Poseidon is real
ShaolinViolin 1 year ago
@ShaolinViolin case in point. thank you
helpmetony 1 year ago
Christianity was spread trough Holy Tradition that are those teachings which Men of God preached,but did not set down in wrighting. This teaching was handed down by word of mouth from one person to another and from generation to generation.
That's why the Bible is the fruit of the tree not the whole tree with the root.
Orthodox Christianity has the whole TRUTH the full picture of the puzzles (christian denominations)
truth7seeker 1 year ago
Evidence from archeology:
The Hittites were once thought to be a Biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered at Bogazkoy, Turkey.
romansten9 1 year ago
Another incredible verse about the hydro-logic cycle.
Ecclesiastes 1:7
All the rivers run into the sea,
Yet the sea is not full;
To the place from which the rivers come,
There they return again.
romansten9 1 year ago
Nobody alive at the time understood science the way the Bible describes, such as the detail we understand now about the hydro-logic cycle. Only God understood this at the time. Human discovery of this was far later.
Job 36:27-29
For He draws up drops of water,
Which distill as rain from the mist,
Which the clouds drop down
And pour abundantly on man.
Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds,
The thunder from His canopy?
romansten9 1 year ago
romansten9 1 year ago
The Bible says that air has weight, but this was only proven by science a few hundred years ago. The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere, which can be observed now with radar and satellite imagery, but was not understood at the time of the Bible.
romansten9 1 year ago
A scientific analysis using marine engineering, fluid dynamics, an examination of the dimensions of the Ark according to instructions given to Noah by God, demonstrate consistency of the Holy Bible with Modern Science.
romansten9 1 year ago
You asked about scientists that believe in God. (approx 40% do, and 40% do not) A few famous scientists in the past that believed in God: Copernicus, Bacon, Kepler, Galileo, Descartes, Boyle, Faraday, Mendel, Kelvin and Planck. Today we have thousands also, including Dr. Francis Collins, head of the humane genome project, who was formerly an atheist.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 Nobody alive at the time understood science the way the Bible describes, such as the detail we understand now about the hydro-logic cycle. Only God understood this at the time. Human discovery of this was far later.
Job 36:27-29
For He draws up drops of water,
Which distill as rain from the mist,
Which the clouds drop down
And pour abundantly on man.
Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds,
The thunder from His canopy?
romansten9 1 year ago
i will make sure not to buy the dvd.
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MissCedarbridge1 1 year ago
Many scientists have their faith in God supported and built up by what they discover in science. Its only natural to do so. The whole universe is filled with obvious examples of extremely precise design. There are so many examples of precision that it would be impossible to seriously believe that intelligent design was not involved.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 It is irrelevant whether or not a scientists is religious and believes in a god or gods. If he does not obliged by the scientific rules than he will fail and be ridiculed. No scientist is allowed to just make shit up just because he believes in it, he has to present evidence to get the "fact" stamp on his ideas. Has anyone been able to prove god? No.. You would have read about it by now ;) Is there a majority of religious people in science? You tell me! Also add references.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Scientists make "discoveries" using the brain God gave them and by examining something He made, then they take credit for these amazing "discoveries" and give no credit to God! Incredible. That would be like someone "discovering" an invention that someone else made and putting their own patent on it.
A scientist never created anything from nothing the way God did. A scientist can only work with the raw materials God provided. Science doesn't impress me. God does.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 Again with the unfounded claims. There is no "fact" label on your god, you people have not presented anything that even might be considered close to evidence for your claim yet here you are, tossing it forth like it's a natural law. Dude, if you're going to present claims than at least have some shred of evidence to back it up, otherwise, those who obliged by the scientific method will reject your claim and ridicule you..
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Evolutionists make claims that make any miracle in the Bible look like nothing in comparison. Why are scientists allowed to take things on faith, but not believers in God? Scientists preach about the scientific method, yet take thousands of things on faith. Have you read evolutionists writings? You will find the words: Perhaps, looks like, probably, could have been, possibly, etc. Those words hardly inspire confidence. The Bible isn't wishy washy. The Bible speaks with authority.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 The comparison, surely your personal opinion and thus for irrelevant, is it really? Evolutionists surely do not make super-natural claims regarding aspects of their ideology, thus for NO. Evolution is a small part of science and thus for cannot be held accountable for the entire field of science, you should know this (and I'm guessing you do). Scientists can make up what ever the fuck they want and given that time they have a theory at best.. fact comes with evidence ;) Simple..
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan You keep touting the word "evidence" yet you believe countless things without evidence. In science, there are plenty of things believed without evidence, and many with limited evidence. An experiment may be done 5 times or 100, but nobody knows if the 101st time will give a new result. Its taken on faith. Nothing can be measured exactly, but science says "close enough" Evidence is relative. The Bible has plenty of evidence to support it. Read "Evidence that demands a verdict" for one
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 I know it's a long and a difficult word and I apologize for that ;) There we are.. it is irrelevant what you believe in (get it?), whether or not it is considered a fact is based on whether or not you have been able to prove it using evidence (it's that difficult word again). Testing it 100 times, is not the end.. it will be tested and used countlessly aftewards and thus for if it fails it will be reexamined ;) Science isn't always right, but atleast they try ;) Come on..
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Campaign into Israel by Pharaoh Shishak (1 Kings 14:25-26), recorded on the walls of the Temple of Amun in Thebes, Egypt
romansten9 1 year ago
@afroschlan Revolt of Moab against Israel (2 Kings 1:1; 3:4-27), recorded on the Mesha Inscription.
romansten9 1 year ago
@afroschlan Fall of Samaria (2 Kings 17:3-6, 24; 18:9-11) to Sargon II, king of Assyria, as recorded on his palace walls.
romansten9 1 year ago
@afroschlan Why should we believe anything without evidence? Yet we do. We all believe countless things without much evidence. Can you prove to me that Alexander the Great lived? How do you know?Do you have a picture of him? Think about things we DO have pictures of. Do you believe pictures taken by the Hubble telescope are real? How do you know? If you do say they are real, you take it on faith.Scientists take everything on faith. After a certain number of experiments, they say "close enough"
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 Some things do not affect us, such as whether or not Alexander the great lived.. personally I could not care less. The false claim of origin of all does affect us especially in it's current presentation because that gives authority for those who know little to nothing to present their agenda upon all people through governance and we all know how horribly that goes. Can we as individuals prove everything? No, but science can and does, question is do you trust science?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@romansten9 It seems abundantly clear that you do not trust science unless it benefits your cause of lying to people that you know everything through your religion. Science does seem a threat to you people because it explains all the mystical bullshit that is presented with mysticism through religion but isn't mystical at all. We know the shape of the planet, why there are floods, hurricane, volcanic activity, health problems, sickness and so forth.. all previously claimed as mysticism ;)
afroschlan 1 year ago
@romansten9 What annoys me the most is that I can find all these nuggets of information on the Internet in approx 5 minutes yet you do not.. So a) You do not have a free access to the Internet b) You don't bother to look for these things. So why are you trying to lie to me constantly knowing that I can obtain contradictory knowledge to yours, knowledge that has been tested repeatedly and verified by people who know what they are doing? In contrast to you who doesn't seem to.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@romansten9 I was reminded recently with two other countries that are religious down to the core yet have not been doing all that well.. Poland and Brazil.. both highly religious, both in the crapper ;) Oh how well we do with religion on our side ;) Not to mention my country, Iceland is currently in the shit.. a high number of registered religious people yet we're bankrupt.. I guess we didn't prey enough for happiness..
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Unfortunately, scientific studies are not as simple as you make them sound. You made broad generalizations about 2 countries. A study needs to be much more specific. How many people in those Countries: Believe the Bible to be 100% true? Believe that faith in Jesus (and not religion/religious works) is the ONLY way to heaven? You mentioned "religious" but not "Christian" Religious works (practicing religion) is the opposite of Christian belief in the one true God of the Bible.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 According to the most recent CBOS opinion poll published in the fall of 2008: 94% of Poles claim "they believe in God". Why is the population relevant? Brazil 89,4% Christian. Brazil population 2009 - 192,272,890 people. Poland June 2010 estimate - 38,192,000. Both these countries have a larger percentage of Christians than the USA ;) According to a study the worst places to live in are religious countries.. I know, it's shocking ;) Are you satisfied with the info?
afroschlan 1 year ago
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romansten9 1 year ago
@afroschlan Your opinion polls mean nothing. Belief that God exists is not even what I'm saying
Belief in God and having a personal relationship with God that changes someone's life are 2 entirely different things. The Bible says "even the demons believe" (and shudder)
Believing that God exists ("head" knowledge) does NOTHING to affect someones behavior or character.
Having a relationship with God ("heart" knowledge) does affect someone's behavior/character..
NOW do you understand?
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 And I quote: "@afroschlan Countries that have placed God first have benefited greatly throughout history." Ironic yes? What ever you say you end up being knocked out and yet you just don't grasp it. It is odd that you have bombarded me with questions yet you rarely answer mine. What's the percentage of answered VS unanswered by you? Dude.. Give it up, your religion is shit.. it doesn't make sense, it has no evidence and it's people seem a bit on the dumb side.
afroschlan 1 year ago
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romansten9 1 year ago
@afroschlan Believers have included many of the most intelligent people that have ever lived, which makes sense because Christianity is an intelligent faith, and rests on very solid evidence. Obviously you haven't researched the evidence the way these people throughout history have. And you claim that they are "on the dumb side" Many very notable scientists were Christians, but you say they "are on the dumb side" You claim "no evidence" That statement is incredibly false.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 There is nothing intelligent about faith. Again with the massive claims, dude why on earth would your insane rambling work this time when it has never in the past? The entire world believed that the world was flat at some point even though researchers point out otherwise.. why? Faith ;) To protect an already established unfounded fragile system of beliefs. It's beyond pathetic. You have yet to give us this amazing solid evidence that you keep hammering on about. Where is it?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Its funny you would bring up the subject of people thinking the earth was flat. The Bible calls the earth "a circle" that "hangs on nothing" This was written in the Bible long before science figured this out (among other things that are in the Bible)
Of course, people may not have figured this out (believers or non-believers) at the time, but it was written there, and only God had the knowledge to put it there.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 Apparently we have a different concept when it comes to humour. What I found:
1) Job 38:13 - Earth has edges (spheres have edges? NO)
2) Isaiah 40:22 - Circle of the earth (Is a circle the same as a sphere? NO)
3) 1 Chronicles 16:30 - The earth cannot be moved (It does move and yes it could be moved through force)
There is endless more notions, and not only from the bible, that points out that your religion is shit down to the core. So, the solid evidence? Where is it?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan You have a common problem. You think that the Bible is a science book. It is not, and never claimed to be. The Bible is (a spiritual book) it also contains some poetry, some history, teachings, etc But we also don't call the Bible just a book of poetry, or just a book of history. Its many things.
For what it is, the Bible contains impressive insight into science. Calling the earth a circle is impressive. You are forgetting language and culture differences also.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 I don't consider the bible to be a science book it never brings any evidence for anything it claims to be true, that's contrary to science. The issues people have with the bible and the creeps that go along with it is not based on it's historical documentation or it's poetry, it is the horribly immoral/amoral rules that, thankfully, most of you people reject, for now, as being an obligation. The rules are there, though, and one has to face that fact, though many do not.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan You try to pick apart the Bible because it uses different words than your science textbook. You forget that its not a science book, it was written in another language and culture. Even today, we have pictures of the earth that are circle shaped (are they wrong?) If you read the entire chapter of Job 38 you will discover that the language there is metaphorical. (we use this in writing today) The earth is set in its orbit, (stable) this is another thing nobody knew at the time.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 Oh, so now it's not a science book when it doesn't benefit you.. The amazing psychopath you call god brings forth scientific knowledge until it gets slapped in the face and than it's not a science book.. you're a hypocrite how ever you wash it. Is the planet a circle? No, it's a sphere. Long before Christianity the difference between a circle and a sphere had been established through mathematics. People didn't know? Dude, amazing knowledge of mathematics was rampant in those days.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan The Bible is not a science book and I never claimed that it was. Nice try putting those words in my mouth. It does contain information that science had not discovered at the time, which is impressive for a book that isn't even about science. Thats all I ever said.
The Bible is not required to use terms used in English Science ". (such as "sphere") The Bible wasn't written in English and isn't a science book. Do you understand?
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 Let's try this from a different angle. So the bible, allegedly, was constructed by people who were guided by this god, thing.. the all knowing and so forth.. Yet we have a book with errors, contradictions and, what I consider, the biggest fuck-ups of all, the earth being flat. You think other cultures did not know what a sphere was through mathematics? Yet your imaginary friend does not.. the one who created the earth does not know it is not flat.. that is fucked up.
afroschlan 1 year ago 21
@afroschlan ur a fail and uneducated person upon the bible, u think all the things u do becuz u never even looked bothered to read the bible urself, this film is a flawed documentary like the one bill mayher made... asking people questions that is not equipped to answer them, show me where it contradicts and i will explain it, talk and research with open mind or there no need to talk, take ur bias somewhere else u closed minded fool, i use to be an athiest all those questions i asked already...
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis :) Well.. at least I can spell, that's because I have read more than one book in my lifetime ;) I have, sadly, read the compilation of desert peasant retardation you call the bible and it sucked dogs balls. While the west was sucking on their own shit and wallowing in excessive stupidity the rest of the world was flourishing with knowledge and intelligence. Still today there is a barrier of intelligence regarding religion. The dumber one is, the more religious one is ;) That's fact..
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan oh yea ur funny, everyone says im gramatically incorrect but becuz i write correctly i dont have room to make my points, and if u can read my comments it works fine haha, oh yea well funny how u keep saying tat the bible or belief in christianity makes us retarded its the world views tat oppose each other, science just benefits christianity more, the notion tat god keeps u dumb is common today is actually the original lie becuz i know wat god i worship and how great he is...
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis oh and by the way what kind of science are u talking about tat u have? show me and well see where to go from there since u think evolution says it all haha... i hope that u look at the evidence from both sides of the issue and not just ur own side, if u want to talk with open minds then reply back if not dont waste each others time, maybe Augustine was right when he said tat we love the truth when it enlightens us, but hate it when it convicts us... there has to be an absolute truth..
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis I'll agree with you to an extent, you are unable to make a point unless being a turd is what you're honestly striving for. Your spelling and grammar are horrible but because I used to work with the mentally handicap I am able to crack your code of insanity. Science does not benefit christianity nor any religion. The scientific method contradicts the religious method of blindly stabbing in the dark. I'm glad your imaginary friend lives up to your pathetic low standards, kudos on it.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan I guess sicne it's such a big problem with you I'll have to be grammatically correct lol... It's sad how you can look at me and yet not knowing me just judge me, I don't do the same to you or anyone else for that matter. Being Christian or any other religion for this matter does not make us dumber, like the notion that most people lay on us, yes I don't speak for all Christians because a lot don't live like how they should, but I respect you for who you are and what you think...
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis My friend we have to have a ground to talk about this.. Science is always changing and there is a lot of questions it cannot answer or thing that our limited knowldge cannot know to, I was taking honors biology at my university and my professor was an athiest talking about evolution saying all this and that, I was stumped but at the end of semester so I went to go talk to him, I asked him if he was absolutely true about no God, and he wasn't sure, all areas of science can't say no God
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis Oh, what kind of questions can science not answer? What knowledge can we not obtain due to our limitations? You mean, no area of science can state that there is no god? Perhaps some ultimate answer might present itself if we ever conclude all knowledge there is about the natural world, who knows. Stating that there is no god is no better than stating that there is one. Saying: I don't know, since we don't know (obvious) is the default and honest stand, not lying like religion ;)
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan You got a good point, So much of science is out there to prove that there is no God, but yet they fall short of their claims when their ideas about science change or should I say a new idea somes along. There will be things I don't know but that doesn't mean there is no answer. Evolution says there is no God and everything came about through natural forces, the best example is the Stanley Miller experiment but yet it fails when tested, trying to disprove the existance of God...
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis I don't recall any scientific research starting off with that agenda, on the other hand many scientific research has began on the conclusion that there is a god and it could be proven, Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton.. so forth. On what grounds has science changed up to the level it verifies the existence of "your" god. You have to learn to differentiate between a god without properties and your god which has variety of properties assigned by your bible.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@samuellis Evolution does not say there is no god, man says there is no god or preferably the christian/islamic/judean god with its properties does not and cannot, according to their holy texts, exist given evolution. There is a difference as I mentioned before. You are still claiming that we need to disprove your position but nothing could be more unscientific so you have to choose, either you choose science and you prove your point or you don't but twist around like a twisty thing.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@samuellis Wow.. what a change of tone ;) You tried your best, you hit a wall and now you're trying some sort of a psychological game, oh.. you're playing the vulnerable persecuted person who gets tears whenever someone says something bad about them or Judges them ;) Awww.. I am reminder that your first comment to me was a judging rant of hatred ;) Good times.. Since we've gotten past these fascinating barriers of shit tossing was there something you wanted to debate or..?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan not really a change of tone I would correct, I still think you don't know much about the Bible or what I believe in, it's foolish to say that you hold what is so true to you and yet don't know if it's even true, we as humans have a fatal tendency to try to adjust the truth to fit our desires rather than adjusting our desires to fit the truth. To ensure that ourr choice is truely free, he puts us in an environment that is filled with evidence of his existence...
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis God doesn;t show is direct pressence because that would be forcing us to love him and that isn't genuine love, his direct pressence is so powerful that it would overwhelm our freedom and thus negate our abilty to reject him, He has provided enough to convince anyone willing to believe, yet he has left some ambiguity so as not to compel the unwilling... I can say all I want if it's not going to go anywhere then there's no point... =)
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis The hypothesis of gods or a god was not constructed during some years of enlightenment within our species given our current understanding of our environment. It was a relatively stupid period of desert peasants fucking about coming up with sad attempts to centralize variety of social behaviors. Today, given what there is known, there is nothing that verifies a god without properties yet there are many things that contradict your god which has properties and a book.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Well one of your earlier statement you said many scienctific research begun the conclusion that there is a God and can prove it... that itself is saying that the existance of God can be proven, now you point out a good point of gods or God as the one I believe to just merely be constructed. The truth is inside the Bible and resources outside of it, Jesus has been seen, died and rose back up with key eyewitness accounts then to 500 plus people, there was a sudden boom of the church...
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis That is not what I said, I don't even grasp how you could not understand that sentence. Really.. outside of the bible there are eye-witness accounts to an individual name Jesus.. so? You're not seriously indicating that we should use the bible as evidence, has the bible been verified? Millions of people in North Korea believe that Kim Yong Il is, in fact 2010, a god.. so.. is he a god? Is it relevant what brain-washed people believe? Anything else you'd like to obscure?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Historically yes there was so many eye witness accounts, there is a big difference when you talk about Kim Yong Il, he is still alive and we know that when he dies, he not going to rise back up unlike Jesus Christ, so that inference is futile... I mean there are even accounts outside of the bible that proves Jesus really did rise back up again... Am I really the brain washed one or is it you who believes in a secular society where it attacks Christians left and right...? =)
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis Hi there, would you like to buy some magic beans? In this "we know" notion of yours, who exactly are we? So.. Jesus rose up after death.. hmm.. any evidence of that? Bring references this time ;) Yes you are still the brain-washed one ;) I still want to live in a secular society that demands stupid people back up their claims with evidence so we don't slip into a psychotic theocracy like we had in the "dark ages". Although it's fun, people get hurt..
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan not only do we have accounts of eye witness views from the bible but outside of the bible itself placed in museums around the country and even in other countries outside sources including the Greek text and Roman text... The truth is discovered not invented it exists independent of anyone's knowledge of it such as gravity which existed prior to Newton... Truth doesn't change, only people
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis Oh, you have "direct" eye-witness accounts, wow.. No. Quote: "They were written thirty-five to sixty-five years after Jesus’ death by authors who did not know him, authors living in different countries who were writing at different times to different communities with different problems and concerns".. ;) Good times. Why do you engage in such dishonesty, this would not take you a long time to discover on your own using the very Internet you're using right now. Stop lying, seriously.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Your correct to a degree, the bible was not completed until 70-100 A.D. but the eye-witness accounts were writen before that, most of the new testiment was already completed WHILE the witnesses were still alive, if there was anything that was mistaken the witnesses would have said it's not creditable... We have historical archeological findings we have 24,000 manuscripts the closet other one is Homer Eliot with 600 of 7 Day Adventist... The bible is historically reliable...
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis What eye-witness accounts are you talking about, bring references, you have no credibility with me. Regardless, whether the bible may have some accurate and some inaccurate historical events does not conclude it's reliability outside of historical knowledge at some bearing. Without the evidence for the mystical stuff you just have a guy who not many people wrote anything about. The most important person on the planet ever? Or just some guy who was a good con-artist and liar?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan the only eye witness accounts there are are not only in the bible but outside the bible, its the manuscript how can I show it to you I don't hold them except the bible... I mean what do you have that show the bible is not true? No historian would even argue that the bible is not creditable, and those that have tried failed... Like I said there has to be creditability to what you claim as well, is it me who is brain-washed or you by the world?
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis Oh, ok.. So you can't bring references to your point, because you don't know how or you don't have any so instead you want me to prove you wrong.. how amazingly classic of a religious person. I'm still leaning towards you being the brain-washed one. There are endless amounts of valuable information on the Internet if you ever managed to bypass the religious sites. In the bible there are some tiny facts, some errors, some contradictions and some fabrications. Credible?, not even close.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Your a joke my friend... Instead of accepting the facts and you trying to prove me wrong in which your not at all, you can say I'm brain wash all you want but like I said the truth is not invented by men it is absolute and always exist all we do is discover it, there is no I research all the time trying to bypass my pass atheist ignorance I had so i don't need people to tell me I'm wrong... There is no condractions or errors, only your interpretation of it is wrong... =)
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis ;) As you wish..
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan You present nothing that I never heard before, but good luck and God Bless... whether you believe it or not haha.. Peace =)
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis I saw that this wasn't going anywhere and I didn't want to waste my time with such a dishonest opponent who didn't even have the decency to bring forth references to back up his claims. All you managed to do was to assert endless amount of unreasonable claims which you did not back up and when confronted you just flat out lied to my face. Kudos on the christian ethics, you have surely proven why it's not needed.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Yea I know it's not going anywhere I mean you can call me dishonest but yet your ignornant to try and be even a little open to what I say... You claim that I don't bring evidence but yet you can't refute anything I say so maybe I can say the same thing to you why you haven't proved anything to me and haven't said anything I have never heard, if someone can prove me me Christianity is wrong I'll go back to my old athestism... =)
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis Being open minded to an unverified and quite a dangerous world view is the opposite of ignorance. We are able to reject stupidity when in it's presence because we're not ignorant. I refuted a bunch of crap you tossed at me, even if I had not how does that justify your not providing evidence or, at least, references to your notions? Yes, you are horribly dishonest and an immoral, unethical person, given your behavior. Christianity seems to suite you nicely, kudos on that.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@samuellis Also, sweetheart, I'm not obligated to refute your claims unless you have brought forth, at least, some evidence to back up your case. You did not bring forth any such evidence nor even a reference to anything and thus for you cannot claim me responsible just because I did not go out of my way to force feed you information. Do your own dirty work and grow the fuck up!
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Your just a dumb kid who thinks your all that, idiot who think your right, your a fool you didn't prove anything and yet let alone refute what I had to say.. Haha not ignornant kid, I know exactly what that is because I was once ignornant just as you are.. Coming online and trying top disprove Christianity and then making yourself look stupid cussing and being unethical, thanks for the talk fool it's people like you who are dangerous... Don't waste each others time and grow up kid...
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis Explain to me what atheism means to you, not the definition, what atheism means to you?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan To me it just means that obviously not that they haven't found God which a lot of Christians use, but athiest doesn't take acknowledge of a God Some are very open minded yet others aren't just becuase they were brought up that way, like myself I never realize there was a need for a freakin God, hated religion and thought everyone who believed was just pure stupid, I'm a biochemist major and love physics maybe I might minor in that, but the more I looked at it the more God made sense.
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis When you say, they don't acknowledge a god, do you mean an undefined god or gods, as in a god or gods without assigned properties or unknown? What is this need for a god or gods? Why did you hate religion previously and why choose Christianity above any other religion? How did biochemistry lean you towards not only religion but Christianity?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan You pose very good questions, what I ment by acknowledge is that becuase you don't that there is a higher power then the idea of God or Gods goes out the door. The need is crucial because we then start to understand the philosophical notion of our purpose and we want to know why we are here, you know who your parents are and we want to know who the creator is, I hated religion because my lack of understanding, Christianity because you establish that there is a God, well which one?
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis No. Grandeur above humans.. easy, everything. The sun, the moon, water, fire, radiation, solar systems, galaxies, black holes, you name it, it's grander with much higher power. Is there higher power? Yes. It's verifiable. The higher power you consider has not been verified, in any way. To set something down into a book is not evidence enough for such grandeur. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, that's just how it goes. You are aware of the scientific method right?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@samuellis Given that you are a biochemist, or so you claim, you are aware that there are rules to verification. You don't honestly expect me to just take your word for it or the words of some bronze age desert peasants? You didn't answer my question of why you chose Christianity of all the religions that are? You may require your purpose to come from some sort of a creator but in reality, we're just mammals, just another animal with basic functions, needs and purpose. You need more?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Haha I would like to say I'm a biochemist but I'm not at least I don't consider myself that yet still working on it i'll get there, there so much that I can cover on biochem but I its really hard for me to understand how there is no God if what I'm learning is true I mean the study is about chemical process of living organism (obvisously more than tat and all i learn) if there is a creator there has to be some way that we can know him then we look at which religion makes more sense..
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis You have to, at least, put a couple of periods and commas, here and there. This was pretty much a 500 letter sentence, probably the longest sentence ever made.. I had difficulties grasping the entire point. On what grounds does your study require a god? I have, myself, a family member who is a PhD in Biochemistry and my sister happens to be a regular old PhD in chemistry and I did force this question upon them.. they pretty much said no.. there is no requirement.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan I'm not an english major do I really have to put commas and periods... haha my studies don't say that there has to be a God, no where did I say that, but it's what you learn that makes you think, the universe is not eternal it had to have a start we know that through astronomy. I don't look that far into the space but Francis Collins the head of the human genome project says there has to be a God, not all scientist believe in God but people have their explanation of the our origins..
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis Actually the origin of the universe is still being questioned and pondered. We have an alternative notion to the big bang f.x. the oscillating universe which does not require a beginning and thus for no god. Even though if we go with the world beginning at one point, there is no reason to assume that a god did it. Even if one would conclude that a god created the universe, assuming that he focuses on one planet and one species is somewhat of a stretch. So why Christianity?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind" a quote said from the great Enstein. We know that the big bang happened because of 2 crazy guys Penzias & Wilson who won the Nobel Prize for their finding of the after glow of the big bang. The universe is expanding there has to have a beginning and therefore has to have a cause. The sun energy is not eternal because the sun is losing energy according the NASA and Newton 2 law of thermodynamics, Christianity :)
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis His personal opinion was fascinating, yet irrelevant.
The big bang theory, is still somewhat accepted yet it does not explain the whole "story". What happened or if something happened before the big bang is still being debated and researched. So, did matter/energy always exist, was it "created" from nothing by your god, did it spring into action, by accident, does it always happen, has it happened before.. Questions are still being asked and answered so we don't have a conclusion yet.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@samuellis To conclude that we have an actual, binding answer when there isn't one is very irresponsible and often shows a very biased view from people with a preconceived notion. To spread that view forth and claim it to be a fact and than to mangle it, somehow, adding additional properties to it is not only wrong but ethically wrong. Today, there is no definite reason to conclude that there is a god, not a god without properties and definitely not a god with properties such as yours.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan Yes I understand what your saying but the same rules has to apply even if something did happen before sure, there was something before the big bang because there had to be a cause, like I said we know the universe is not eternal so where did it all come from? It is more reasonable to say that energy/matter spring out of the bloom from nothing or is it more reasonable to say something created it? Its not beyond all doubt but its beyond reasonable doubt, I could be wrong but so can you
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis No, I can not be equally wrong to you because my stand is: ? (I don't know). That is contrary to your answer which is: I know, it was god. Since none of the most intelligent people on the planet know I'm going to lean towards their position rather than picking up the position of someone who is biased towards their preconceived notion. As I mentioned earlier, adding god to the equation of where did all this matter come from is not a solution. Where did god get the stuff?
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan When you say I don't know it actually means you know something because you are standing on one side of the picture, I am sure beyond reasonable doubt there is a God rather than saying there isn't a God, the question where did God get the stuff, he is God and he created it, like I said the universe is not eternal because astronomers know the universe is expanding so there has to be a point of start.. Biased? aren't we all? :)
samuellis 1 year ago
@samuellis Yeah, you're right, I know that I don't know, philosophy at it's best ;) Trying to have other people believe in a concept which is unprovable and contradictory to reality requires allot of credibility. It's one of those things the religious just don't have unless you're only going for the "less intelligent" creatures. Adding a dubious variable into, an already, difficult equation does not help solving the equation, it just makes it more difficult. It contradicts mathamatics.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan I think religion and science are a great combination and doesn't collide with each other, well like I said, I may be wrong in the end but I would rather follow what makes the most sense to me and who has the stronger explaination of things if there is a God then great I'm right and if there's not then I lived my life good without regrets and with a purpose, hopefully you can say the same things bro Well have a blessed Thanksgiving don't indugle to much haha, God bless you and yours.
samuellis 1 year ago
@afroschlan Tell me you dumb ass where does it say in the bible that the earth was flat?
lucky258i 1 year ago
@lucky258i Woohoo, another religious person behaving just as one expected. Your superior ethics and morals shine through like a turd in the sun, Jesus would be so proud of you right now ;) Is it my problem that you have not read your own "holy-scripture".. I wonder just how holy it is given your lack of interest and motivation to actually read the damn thing. Why don't we start with Isaiah 40:22, The world is a circle :) Why not a sphere? Some have sad explanations for this.
afroschlan 1 year ago
@afroschlan The bible does not say the world was flat. You have proved you are liar and not to be trusted. That is unless you show the chapter and verse where the bible says so. And then I will show you where the bible says the earth is round and God hangs is on nothing.
TheSkymega 11 months ago
@TheSkymega I don't have to ;) You just made two massive claims and I'm going to need to ask you to bring evidence for them, otherwise you're a "proven" liar.. Sorry dude, you shouldn't make such claims without bringing evidence to back them up yet demand evidence of others.. what was it that the bible says? Do to others.. something ;)
afroschlan 11 months ago
@afroschlan Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, [and] hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Isa 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
There you have it, the earth is stated to be round and hangs the earth on nothing.
TheSkymega 11 months ago
@TheSkymega Job 26:7? How is that relevant?
The difference between a circle and a sphere is one is two dimensional, the other is three dimensional.. it's not a major issue, obviously :) One indicates a flat earth (as I've mentioned hence my statement) the other indicates a ball like earth (which it is). Sadly you've brought nothing to the table that contradicts my claim.. you could have brought forth the limitations of the language it was presented in (hebrew).. Later dude.
afroschlan 11 months ago
@afroschlan So the earth isn't circular? And is not hung on nothing as the bible stated?
TheSkymega 11 months ago
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@TheSkymega In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. A literal translation of Job 26:10 is “He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end.” Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round earth by use of the word circle (e.g., New King James Bible and New American Standard Bible). If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle.
miket1m 11 months ago
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@TheSkymega
This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical earth. Yet here it is recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins. This suggests day and night on a spherical globe.
miket1m 11 months ago