Our society creates these people and then punishes them for being that way. Its time we change the way WE think about people and the "crimes" they commit. Our governments we blindly support kills people everyday in the name of war, God, freedom whatever and when a single person kills we have a hard time understanding. Our system is not working if we do one thing and say something else.
Norway's recidivism rate (return to jail within two years) is 20%. The UK and the US it is 50%. You can criticise it all you like but it works!
Every death penalty state in the US has a higher murder rate than every abolitionist state. The US murder rate is itself OVER EIGHT TIMES HIGHER THAN NORWAY'S!
Brutal punishment makes for a brutal society. How many of those baying for blood live in a jurisdiction with high crime and harsh punishments? Why do people think they know better than Norway?
@pbush151 Because then practically nobody kills anyone, and nobody starves, and repeat offenders are one in five, rather than one in two compared to the states? And ex-cons become productive members of society instead of gangbangers, that kind of thing? Yeah you're right. This is terrible. We want more troglodyte eye-for-an-eye justice! ... Are you trolling or something?
@Lleanlleawrg Yes, no one kills anyone and no one starves in Norway! I strongly doubt that is the case especially as to what just happened in Norway were a single gunman was able to kill 68 people within a 90 min span and the harshest prison sentence he can get is 21 years... Everyone lives happily ever after on their magical unicorns!! I am sorry but prisons should be used as a deterrent for crime not to try to rehab society's worst individuals.
@pbush151 Well, our murder rate is among the lowest in the world, even with the recent massacre. And he will serve life in solitary confinement, because we have a law called "forvaring" which means he's subject to evaluation before he can be let out. He will never be evaluated as "safe", and people have put bounties on his head, so he can never show himself amongst other inmates nor on the outside as long as he lives in any case. And nobody starves here, we do not have that problem.
Yes we have murders in Norway, obviously. However most are either from people who had a psychotic breakdown or handled in affection. The psychotic person is innocent and needs treatment. The person who handled in affection isn't a stone cold killer and should be rehabiliated. Norway is far from perfect in many areas, but our prison system is atleast trying to do the right thing, US just tries to punish people and make them worse which cost society more
@Davincidz I disagree with your analysis. A psychotic person is not innocent if they committed a crime. If someone does a crime sane or insane, the punishment should be the same not different. What if they get back into society after their "treatment" and do the same thing again and again?I am a person who believes that if a person commits a crime, they should be punished. I am not against rehabbing drug users but a child molester or murder who is insane should be punished not rehabilitated
@pbush151 How dumb are you? The crime should be the same? Do you think the crime should be the same for someone who drives into a crowd and kill 50 people for fun and someone who drives into a crowd and kills 50 people because he suddenly went completely blind and didn't see anything?
Are you aware of what psychosis even means? It means "you" literally dissapear and your brain takes complete control over your actions.
I'm glad you are too dumb to ever get any power over these issues.
@pbush151 You assume that people who commit crime are thinking rationally at all times as the crime is being committed, and that they value their freedom, i.e. that they would rather be free than in jail. However, that's not the case with Breivik: in his manifesto he states that the time period after arrest, when the trial is going on, is the 'propaganda period'. Even if the penalty for murder was 1000 years, the media attention he gets from the murders is worth more to him than his freedom.
@pbush151 Have you ever been to prison? If you answer No thats why you answered like this. First off Prison IS a correctional facility. It is meant to rehabilitate criminals. You are talking medevil back in time shit where someone was bad so lets hang them or just make them live out the rest of their days in a cage. You have no sense of humanity. I am disturbed by people like you. Somehow i believe you're into animal rights too, but you fail the part of human rights. God forgives why cant you?
@pbush151 21 years of farming and mutual respect could rebuild almost any repairable personality.
This solution might not be proper for every single prisoner, but unless a physical defect exists in the individual's brain, this lifestyle would be transformative.
@pbush151 Why? Because they are so succesful with rehabilitating offenders; having less than 20% return to jail within two years compared with the US rate of half? Or because their murder rate is less than an eigth of the US rate? Or because practically no one lives below the poverty line? Maybe your refer to Norway's high GDP, over $5000 dollars more per cap. than the US? Or maybe you meant their pole position on the Human Development Index? Yes, on reflection, the liberals have let them down.
@Daisy4Loka Nope. It's you who are "fucking retarded". Who are you, judging a nice, forward, *successful* initiatives like this? They are really rehabilitated, unlike your prisons who are only there to make nice profits to the owners and all.
Norway is lucky thus far to have few truly driven sociopaths. When it encounters more, and it will, you will see the shit hit the fan and things will have to change. Mark my words.
@Davincidz I imagine that he won't get a seat in the "prettiest prison" in Norway anyhow. Also because of exception that can be made for mass murderers (that and he's being tried for terrorism) I would imagine that after his 21 years his sentence will be extended again and again. In Canada we have a mass murderer named Clifford Olsen who keeps going to parole hearings but is always denied and always will be.
@MsColdCanada No he is currently being held at "ila" which is Norways "worst" prison. People have already put a price tag on his head, so he might get killed. Noone will shed a tear over that. However he might actually be released in approx 15 years (21 prison years), he is cold enough to trick psychiatrists to think he has been rehabiliated and then the law requires us to let him walk. but you can't change a whole otherwise fine system for one crazy motherfucker
rapeists do get beaten up.thats how it is.but not on this program.the prison is for people that are about to be released in a year ore 2.they have to get used to the free world.
If you treat a prisoner like a prisoner, he will go out to the civilization as a prisoner. If you treat him like a human being, he will go out as a human being.
@onoaptelunga There's no any ideal country, u no - there R just countries where culture makes u feel urself happy. But then u may get serious psycho problems - wot's the reason to live?, etc. Believe me: the biggest problem North Europeans get is an absence of... common problems! That's it!
I've been always thinkin' jails in the Netherlands are "5 star hotels" !))) Well, this idea seems 2 B wrong! )) P.S. For u, ppl, who "analyze" it here - general situation in our jails is pretty similar to1 in any western country: more than 75% of all prisoners are "foreigners"... xDD
@mrcharles007 Yes it will. It may not work for all prisoners and some prisoners should never be released, but this works for the prisoners there's hope for. If you treat them like humans, they will behave like humans. Lock them up in a cage like animals for 23 hours a day, you will get an animal.
It seems like people think that this prison is the first place they put the criminals in, that is not the case. The prisoners that behave and show that they deserve to get the chance to have extra freedom MAY be put there the last years of their sentence.
The goal is to get everyone back to a normal life, in that way we hope to prevent future crimes from them. With normal i mean that they have a job and contibute positively in society wihtout doing crimes.
i think that criminals that come to norway just to do crimes sould be put in small sels and with people how rape them when they are going to take a souer
Norwinur was kidnapped and brought to the Netherlands. The Dutch refuse to return him home. He is put in a jail. He was barely a teenager when he was put in closed prison.
I wounder if these people who say that they will come to Norway to do crime are really serious. Have they no morals at all? Is the only thing that makes them not do crime the fact that they would go to prison? I live in Sweden and we have similar prison system but I wouldn't kill a person even if I wouldn't go to jail for it. Why? Because I'm not a sociopath.
Keeping people down and treating them like animals in cages, and giving them one hour of exercise a day, and getting to talk to know but but guards, and knowing that they will be there for life makes them *extremely* resentful*(of society, prison and the government) and thus will fight, use drugs, try to escape, attack guards, re-offend, ect.. If the were shown respect, and giving a chance to get back in touch with themselves, and use their energy for good, most could find the right way.
Norwegian Prisons are like 5 star hotel, everyone has private clean room with 32 LCD tv, Smoke sold legally, Cheese & Milk breakfast, 5 star gym & Oslo is worlds capital of cocaine usage, nobody give a fuck bout comiting a malice crime n truely comited, but you can work with your head up as nobody cares to rob you as everyone got money.
@EyeWearMySunglasses I love this kind of prison, and I believe ALL PRISONS SHOULD BE LIKE THIS, but I just saw pictures of another Norway prison that is like a 5 star resort, with flat screens, spa, in suite bathroom, computers, (absolutely beautiful, which is a good thing) but it actually looks better than where I live with, and I live in a college campus, which I believe education facilities should look better than criminal facilities.
I would rather live in a prison in Norway!!! WTF???
@EyeWearMySunglasses HOW DOES IT HELP IF COLLEGE STUDENTS RATHER LIVE IN PRISON THAN IN THE OUTSIDE???
Hell, I am actually considering getting the Norway citizenship and robbing more banks than John Dillinger until I get arrested, they get to have FUCKING PARTIES ON THE INSIDE!!!!
If they legalize pot in I'm serious about doing it!! Hell, I'm going to deal pot in Norway and have people smuggle it inside for me, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO??? PUT ME IN JAIL??? LOL
@PollockQT Lol! Do you know anything about norway and our society! the treatment they get in prioson isnt bad, but compared to norwegian standard it isn't that good. and about that luxury prison, most of the stuff there has to be earned, Its a way for inmates to learn responsebillity. and belive it or not, that system works...
oh and, If you wanna commit a crime just to live in "luxury" suroundings, then theres noting wrong with the standar of your campus, there's something wrong with you.
@NorwegianStory Okay, so if they behave appropriately they get say, a flat screen.
Do you know what I get for getting good grades, "being a good boy and not making trouble? I get to keep going to college, not a fucking flat screen...
My take on this is that is all just politics so that the government gets to say they are being progressive and everyone on the project gets a big cut, while you proud Norwegian people cheer for them.
I just don't believe on spoiling criminals in jail just because they aren't out there committing crimes or simply not causing trouble...
I believe that they should be treated as humanly as you would treat someone on the outside, but the whole point of jail is, not only to rehabilitate but to discourage criminals from becoming so. I myself I've never committed a crime other than smoking weed, but if I were to live there the fear of getting caught wouldn't discourage me from becoming a dealer.
@NorwegianStory My point is, if you turn a prison into a "non-punishing" system and turn it into an overly rewarding rehabilitation system first time offenders that are only dissuaded by the fear of imprisonment wouldn't give it a second thought.
Of course, one would be foolish to think that anyone will be going to that prison, probably only wealthy and/or famous criminals would end there...
@NorwegianStory I just think you are just blinded by their patriotism as much, or more than Americans as if you were trying to become their antagonist by doing the opposite by still being as overly patriotic...
Sometimes it isn't about a country at all, but about politics, and if you people are too proud to realize that the only people benefiting from this are "high class criminals", politicians, and everyone involved in the project, then you are no better than Americans yourselves...
prison in Scandinavia is notoriously easy/light...thats why the immigrants there don't give a fuck about committing crimes...the leftist governments/justice system gives a rapist like 1 year in a country club!!
I think this is good idea, a place where criminals can live together, and maybe see there are a life thats much better than criminality. A socality life, maybe this place where they should stay rest of their lives.
Sure yeah good idea, on that note I think I will go and rape a bunch of people and kill people in the most brutal way then I will come here and relax and get fed and live a nice simple life
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yeah true, but still. im kinda the paranoid guy..Norway havent realy tried death penalty, maybe criminality goes even lower...by death penalty i mean child abusers, papists n such should get it, scum of the earth.
? fuck deg, hverken er jeg homo, ei soper, tryne er det griser som har, komma er en fin ting, lettere å lese da se. å til slutt, lær deg å skjønne mening med en setning, din analfabete lille tøs.
so agree! If you kill over 4-5 people you can get out after 5 years and go on again!.. They should make it to like 40 years. If you are getting 10 years it is 10 years instead of 10 years and out after 3 years..
YES.........4-5 people and 5 years is like friggin wrong....make it more than 40 you know the saying ``one`s a ... always a ...`` thats the thing. like put a crazy murderer or something in jail fore 40 years....i think it makes most of em just more insane in their frigign peanut.. like prison is a school kinda fore the litle guys doing few years, when they come out they are even smarter balder and snikyer. put em away on a deserted island hehe thats my new opinion x)
Norway does not need to to try the death penalty. Just take a look at the american justice system and you will see that Norway is miles ahead of the US.
yes ofcourse, but you have to think of our countrys size couse thats a biiiig diferense in criminality.....bigger city = more killing......smaler city = safe weed shopping x)
For Child rapists (etc) prison shouldn't be their punishment. These kind of deeply disturbed people will have no benefit of prison and will come out completely un changed. There by spending tax money on nothing except cold revenge. What they do need is mental help, only then can they re establish themselves into society and become respectabe members of the community.
The death penalty belongs in the dark ages, welcome to the 21st century.
Your right ,prison will not changed them. You can't cure the mentally ill. Not even therapy will help them. Nothing will. Also I said child murderer/rapist. If someone raped and murdered your child , your saying release them back in society? Are you insane? Would you want to see them at the store? I doubt it.
It is not about revenge. It is about punishment for a very horrible crime.
Of course if my child was raped and murdered I would like that person to die but that's not the point, it's not up to me. And I could hardly present an objective opinion about the matter.
One way to help these people could be by Chemical castration. No it's not as bad as it sounds, you simply lower the testosterone level and there by also lowering their lust.
And I doubt the fact that you have any knowledge what so ever about who can be cured by mental help or not.
I guess it should be voted on by citizens what to do with them. Personally, I'm for capital pushiment in cases like that.
I know what chemical castration is.
You can not cure mental disablility. Some medications can help with some of the symptoms of mental impairment but you can't get rid of the condition. Atleast not yet.
and fore those there is one cure....a bullet in the head, manutd94fanman can call me a cave man but i realy think that would scare some of em away from the crime and those who do it would wanish from the face of earth..isnt this right? am i wrong? i know i would be more scared of doing a crime in such a condition, death penalty.
It's a fact that when the penalty of a crime is made longer the number of people comitting the crime is lowered. BUT only for a short period of time. This makes the death penalty and life terms completely useless.
yes ``in`` every ``country`` i wonder wich generation he`s talking about x) naah im 20, Norwegian and my english such, but it is to understand..i think...also bring dead penalty here, wtf, rapists walking free after few years in bars, i will be scared when my kids go to school fore crying out loud. pfh eco prisons, what a load of crap. rapists, murderers n such....ONE cure.... a bullet in between the eyes, thats my opinion. over and out.
I wish all prisons could be this way really.... this isn't about punishing them by keeping them away from sunlight for as long as possible; rather by keeping them out of harm's way until they're deemed safe to return to society.
I wish more people would to it this way ... and it makes me proud to be Norwegian
Does it? A quick google, produced the following, "The Texas prison system incarcerates 140,000 people, second only to California, and is so big that prisoners are released every weekday. The question no one asks is: Who's coming back? But if someone did, the prisoners would answer: Not me. National studies show otherwise: Roughly half the men will be proved wrong within three years."
That sort of recidivism, does not sound like it is working and in fact it is presenting a great danger to you.
You would last 5 minutes in a big city here in the U.S.. The only thing that keeps the animals somewhat in check is the possibility of hard time served. Stop looking through your frozen glasses.
You idiot. Don't you get it? At a 50% recidivist rate, all the system is doing is churning out more dangerous people and the general population ends up being on the receiving end of the violence that the system reinforces. How is your prison system making your life any safer? The fact that you feel that you need to be tough to get through life minute to minute in your city just goes to prove that. Your choice, you can be a tough boy or you can switch your thinking.
Go back and read what I wrote carefully, get your dictionary out if you need to, might help you to understand what I thought was simple language. Your choice boyo, be a tough boy and face all those recidivists with your false bravado or have a rethink about how to approach genuine rehabilatation. A released prisoner that does not re-offend is making life for you and yours safer. At a 50% recidivist rate, your life is in no way being made safer while you go on your vengeance kick.
Gee, you sound, vacoba, like the sort of deep thinker that would vote conservative. Who decides who the 'fuck ups' are? Let us hope that they don't decide that you are one of those 'fuck ups' during their selection process. I think you will find that the NWO has already decided that the likes of you and I are in that list of fuck ups that should be eliminated.
The list of 'fuck ups' kept growing under the Nazis.
Deepthinking vacobra, thinks he has all the solutions to life but you are just playing the game. Do like you are told to along with all the other sheeple. I wonder if you have ever had an original thought in your life? Quickly go and read the newspapers so that you can find another ill thought out reply to satisfy your hatred, just so that you can believe that you are so much better than others, but you aren't, that's your guilt laying there.
Now, I expect I will hear from you again in two weeks, which is apparently the length of time that you need to come up with such witty responses as 'Assclown'.
You were very clever to capitalise the assclown remark, you must have received high marks in English. I wonder, do you have your own personal carer to help you avoid tripping over yourself when you go outside?
More chance of you getting harmed than me sonny. What goes around comes around and your state of mind will draw violence to you far quicker than violence will ever be drawn to me. "But" u r too simple to get your head around that one. Quite simply, I do not associate with fools. It is amazing how violence free, my life has been since I wised up. What you put out there is what you WILL get back.
I'd say that this only works for prisoners with good records once inside. Also they may only be there for the last third of his sentence. It's better than having a man full of hate coming out into the public. They have sort of the same system in Australia as well. There is some people that realy do make mistakes in life, and they should get help before they go home.
Try to imagine: Your sister gets raped and cut to pieces by some psycho with a chainsaw. You go to her funeral, you go through the process of waiting for the police to find him, you go to court and witness the whole proscess of convicting him, and then they sentence him to 21 years in a prison like that. (21 years in norway is never really 21 years, its more like 10). Would that feel like justice to you?
21 years is maximum true, but 21 prison years is not 10 years as you first said.
21 years becoming 10 years is 5month is the same as 1prison year, while I believe 9month is 1prison year. Also another thing to considder is that in Norway 20murders pr.year is A LOT, while in for example in us there is over 20 everyday.
You have to look at it by percentage. We have a pretty calm country here, without much crime. To claim that 20 per year is a lot you have to look at 20 divided by 5 million vs. (by your ciphers) 7300+ divided by 350 million. That's 0,0004 murders per hundred Norwegians versus 0,002086 + per hundred Americans - assuming that there are in fact only 20 murders per day.
Still a substantially higher murder rate in America...!
im from norway, it's true, but they can lock you up longer if you don't behave on the inside, but on maximum security prison i norway, it's a real jail, with bars and walls and stuff. I have personaly been there. this jail they are showing here are actually the beats prison in norway, and is for inmates who are a ariwing from the maximum security on the last years on the jail time
I think we got something similar here in Sweden. Though not for murderers or other heavy crimes. Seems like a good system. :) We should learn from our neighbor.
How is Sweden? I have been considering moving to a Scandinavian country but I am not sure which. Which would you suppose would be best for a disillusion American? (learning a language is no problem)
I'm not really sure I'm the one to ask in that case since I'm obviously biased . I also have only visited Norway and Finland on a couple brief occasions.
What I've heard however is that things are pretty similar in all the Scandinavian countries. :)
How do you think it would be for an American immigrant? How are immigration laws? Would it be a difficult transition? Job opportunities for someone with a B.S. in History?
I KNOW I would appreciate the culture more as well as the government. I look like your ordinary Swede, so I doubt I would turn too many heads until I opened my mouth.
I'm not really sure. I think that for an American it wouldn't be any problem. I have however seen some racist undertones concerning Muslims though. Also some year ago there where a lot of fuzz because of the discrimination against people with Arabic background.
Job opportunities isn't that great now during the recession so I wouldn't recommend moving here now. But then again I'm not really qualified for giving any advice since my "knowledge" consists of what I here in the news.
move to Norway. we have not experienced many effects conserning the recession, so it should not be any problem getting a job. and culurally you should not have any problems with fitting in here. immigration is very easy once you have got a job here. considering that we are outside the EU, laws and restrictions and such, are a little bit different than the rest of Europe!
but come over we have a shortage on labor in our contry. btw prices may seem steep, but you would make moore money!
I sadly say that I am an American. Worse yet I live in Texas. I am in the heart of all ignorance and pride. I see all the things wrong with my country and wish we could be more educated more civilized like most other countries. I try to show friends and family things like this video but to no avail they shake their heads and give me a look of disgust. Its a sad place to be
"Norway has the lowest murder rate in the world. In 1999, when the US asked for extradition of an American prisoner, the Norwegian Supreme Court declared that most US prisons do not meet the minimum humanitarian standards."
So, lock up and then let them out after treating them like animals...what do you expect? Reoffenders, what else? Norway has got the right idea...BE SMART ON CRIME IF YOU WANT RESULTS!
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so they give a fuckin psycho murderer a chainsaw
and set him free in the woods to CUT DOWN TREES and then call it an eco prison? why dont they have them help organize recycling or some shit. thatd be good for the environment. not gathering eggs and stupid shit like that. retards.
I'm not getting "eco-friendly" either, except in the solar panels and apparent lack of motor vehicles. Livestock isn't exactly eco-friendly (#1 source of methane= animal agriculture.)
I wonder if any of the prisoners look at the animals, who are caged like they once were, and make any connections?
Also, I seriously hope that they're not slaughtering animals there. I wouldn't think they'd be stupid enough to allow it (knowing the effect it could have on the prisoners), but you never know.
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I think the US prison system should put all serious offenders (rapists, gangs, killers, etc..) in pure isolation for as long as their sentence. There's too much freedom and barbarianism behind bars. I think it's nothing but a disgrace and putrid to be housing uncivilized bad people. It's a waste of tax money. I say 23.5 hours a day in a 4 wall room, no windows, no light, food will only be brought to them twice a day. This will break their mind, and I think that's what these people need.
you cannont be serious if you know anything about psychology you know that yoru theory has many holes and couldn't be supported by any evidence. the only reason why the US has prisons like they do is not to rehabilitate but to have a cheap source of labor and to educate prisoners with other prisoners as their teachers. and jsut by looking at our system you know that our way doesnt work
Most Norwegians, including myself, speak English. We start studying it at school in the second grade - it's a mandatory secondary language. We may also learn more languages if we so choose.
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dinobecker614 2 days ago
Our society creates these people and then punishes them for being that way. Its time we change the way WE think about people and the "crimes" they commit. Our governments we blindly support kills people everyday in the name of war, God, freedom whatever and when a single person kills we have a hard time understanding. Our system is not working if we do one thing and say something else.
tatjscookies 2 months ago
Norway's recidivism rate (return to jail within two years) is 20%. The UK and the US it is 50%. You can criticise it all you like but it works!
Every death penalty state in the US has a higher murder rate than every abolitionist state. The US murder rate is itself OVER EIGHT TIMES HIGHER THAN NORWAY'S!
Brutal punishment makes for a brutal society. How many of those baying for blood live in a jurisdiction with high crime and harsh punishments? Why do people think they know better than Norway?
48620y 6 months ago
Norway is an example why liberals should not run countries for long periods of time......
pbush151 6 months ago
@pbush151 Because then practically nobody kills anyone, and nobody starves, and repeat offenders are one in five, rather than one in two compared to the states? And ex-cons become productive members of society instead of gangbangers, that kind of thing? Yeah you're right. This is terrible. We want more troglodyte eye-for-an-eye justice! ... Are you trolling or something?
Lleanlleawrg 6 months ago 2
@Lleanlleawrg Yes, no one kills anyone and no one starves in Norway! I strongly doubt that is the case especially as to what just happened in Norway were a single gunman was able to kill 68 people within a 90 min span and the harshest prison sentence he can get is 21 years... Everyone lives happily ever after on their magical unicorns!! I am sorry but prisons should be used as a deterrent for crime not to try to rehab society's worst individuals.
pbush151 6 months ago 5
@pbush151 Well, our murder rate is among the lowest in the world, even with the recent massacre. And he will serve life in solitary confinement, because we have a law called "forvaring" which means he's subject to evaluation before he can be let out. He will never be evaluated as "safe", and people have put bounties on his head, so he can never show himself amongst other inmates nor on the outside as long as he lives in any case. And nobody starves here, we do not have that problem.
Lleanlleawrg 6 months ago
@pbush151 You are very very very wrong.
Yes we have murders in Norway, obviously. However most are either from people who had a psychotic breakdown or handled in affection. The psychotic person is innocent and needs treatment. The person who handled in affection isn't a stone cold killer and should be rehabiliated. Norway is far from perfect in many areas, but our prison system is atleast trying to do the right thing, US just tries to punish people and make them worse which cost society more
Davincidz 6 months ago
@Davincidz I disagree with your analysis. A psychotic person is not innocent if they committed a crime. If someone does a crime sane or insane, the punishment should be the same not different. What if they get back into society after their "treatment" and do the same thing again and again?I am a person who believes that if a person commits a crime, they should be punished. I am not against rehabbing drug users but a child molester or murder who is insane should be punished not rehabilitated
pbush151 6 months ago
@pbush151 How dumb are you? The crime should be the same? Do you think the crime should be the same for someone who drives into a crowd and kill 50 people for fun and someone who drives into a crowd and kills 50 people because he suddenly went completely blind and didn't see anything?
Are you aware of what psychosis even means? It means "you" literally dissapear and your brain takes complete control over your actions.
I'm glad you are too dumb to ever get any power over these issues.
Davincidz 6 months ago
@pbush151 You assume that people who commit crime are thinking rationally at all times as the crime is being committed, and that they value their freedom, i.e. that they would rather be free than in jail. However, that's not the case with Breivik: in his manifesto he states that the time period after arrest, when the trial is going on, is the 'propaganda period'. Even if the penalty for murder was 1000 years, the media attention he gets from the murders is worth more to him than his freedom.
Viljarism 6 months ago
@pbush151 Have you ever been to prison? If you answer No thats why you answered like this. First off Prison IS a correctional facility. It is meant to rehabilitate criminals. You are talking medevil back in time shit where someone was bad so lets hang them or just make them live out the rest of their days in a cage. You have no sense of humanity. I am disturbed by people like you. Somehow i believe you're into animal rights too, but you fail the part of human rights. God forgives why cant you?
MrDoobie 2 months ago
@pbush151 21 years of farming and mutual respect could rebuild almost any repairable personality.
This solution might not be proper for every single prisoner, but unless a physical defect exists in the individual's brain, this lifestyle would be transformative.
MasterPCTech 2 months ago
@pbush151 Why? Because they are so succesful with rehabilitating offenders; having less than 20% return to jail within two years compared with the US rate of half? Or because their murder rate is less than an eigth of the US rate? Or because practically no one lives below the poverty line? Maybe your refer to Norway's high GDP, over $5000 dollars more per cap. than the US? Or maybe you meant their pole position on the Human Development Index? Yes, on reflection, the liberals have let them down.
48620y 6 months ago
>murder dozens of people
>get to play with farm animals
SO MUCH BETTER
TheKuroKaminari 6 months ago 9
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stengevarsel 6 months ago
Be quicker to just put them down.
Reformation is bullshit.
pontyfaxjr 6 months ago
this is some nice fucking people
Sletvargen 6 months ago
So I can kill 98 people and go in there ? kewl ! :D
Kapov 6 months ago
@DrEaTzHD I do like Norway, but you are spewing gibberish just now.
inawarminister 6 months ago
fucking norway is fucking retarded
Daisy4Loka 7 months ago
@Daisy4Loka Nope. It's you who are "fucking retarded". Who are you, judging a nice, forward, *successful* initiatives like this? They are really rehabilitated, unlike your prisons who are only there to make nice profits to the owners and all.
inawarminister 6 months ago
@inawarminister
Norway is lucky thus far to have few truly driven sociopaths. When it encounters more, and it will, you will see the shit hit the fan and things will have to change. Mark my words.
StormZephyr 6 months ago
@StormZephyr Actually no.
The distribution of born sociopaths are even all over the world, ranging in the 4% area.
However because of the environment Norwegian politics give people, less people are likely to go off the rail and do crazy shit.
You look at the chain of events from flawed perspective, try to see what make people criminal in the first place.
Obviously right now we have the worst murder case on the planet which you want to punish HARD, but you can't change the law for 1 person
Davincidz 6 months ago
@Davincidz I imagine that he won't get a seat in the "prettiest prison" in Norway anyhow. Also because of exception that can be made for mass murderers (that and he's being tried for terrorism) I would imagine that after his 21 years his sentence will be extended again and again. In Canada we have a mass murderer named Clifford Olsen who keeps going to parole hearings but is always denied and always will be.
MsColdCanada 6 months ago
@MsColdCanada No he is currently being held at "ila" which is Norways "worst" prison. People have already put a price tag on his head, so he might get killed. Noone will shed a tear over that. However he might actually be released in approx 15 years (21 prison years), he is cold enough to trick psychiatrists to think he has been rehabiliated and then the law requires us to let him walk. but you can't change a whole otherwise fine system for one crazy motherfucker
Davincidz 6 months ago
@Daisy4Loka
It's funny because you sound like a 12 year old. You have no clue how government or psychology works.
ThePenguinDoctor 6 months ago
rapeists do get beaten up.thats how it is.but not on this program.the prison is for people that are about to be released in a year ore 2.they have to get used to the free world.
thugproofclips 8 months ago
the make the Americans look like the animals they are
bikegirl2 8 months ago
If you treat a prisoner like a prisoner, he will go out to the civilization as a prisoner. If you treat him like a human being, he will go out as a human being.
Mogansss 8 months ago 2
I love how the guy sound irish
Mogansss 8 months ago
Reoffending rate 10%, 30% in closed prisons. (USA 60%, UK 50%)
cannasnagler 11 months ago
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cannasnagler 11 months ago
@onoaptelunga There's no any ideal country, u no - there R just countries where culture makes u feel urself happy. But then u may get serious psycho problems - wot's the reason to live?, etc. Believe me: the biggest problem North Europeans get is an absence of... common problems! That's it!
Hollandia777 11 months ago
I've been always thinkin' jails in the Netherlands are "5 star hotels" !))) Well, this idea seems 2 B wrong! )) P.S. For u, ppl, who "analyze" it here - general situation in our jails is pretty similar to1 in any western country: more than 75% of all prisoners are "foreigners"... xDD
Hollandia777 11 months ago
norway is not a violent country like america.. This model will work for norway.. but not for america.. and cerainly not for russia!
mrcharles007 1 year ago
@mrcharles007 Yes it will. It may not work for all prisoners and some prisoners should never be released, but this works for the prisoners there's hope for. If you treat them like humans, they will behave like humans. Lock them up in a cage like animals for 23 hours a day, you will get an animal.
feonor26 8 months ago
most of prisoners want do a crime to enjoy stay in prison because they dont have to pay for living and food!
teo1000t 1 year ago
Its like a vacation!
iRobii 1 year ago
It seems like people think that this prison is the first place they put the criminals in, that is not the case. The prisoners that behave and show that they deserve to get the chance to have extra freedom MAY be put there the last years of their sentence.
The goal is to get everyone back to a normal life, in that way we hope to prevent future crimes from them. With normal i mean that they have a job and contibute positively in society wihtout doing crimes.
haha, almost got it all wrong there.
Adoowrap 1 year ago
Belive me this place was very diffrent before.
2silvertv 1 year ago
i think that criminals that come to norway just to do crimes sould be put in small sels and with people how rape them when they are going to take a souer
prox449 1 year ago
@prox449 Glad you don't run our prisons!
Cacowninja 1 year ago
the guy who cuts the wood up with a chian saw is in for cutting bodys up ....class.......
leemeires 1 year ago
Norway's Inmate have animals to FUCK !!! happy bout that . hahaha
limauze 1 year ago
1:15 - 1:41 haha!
Movietoad 1 year ago
Norwinur was kidnapped and brought to the Netherlands. The Dutch refuse to return him home. He is put in a jail. He was barely a teenager when he was put in closed prison.
Iamnotanumbernr1 1 year ago
I wounder if these people who say that they will come to Norway to do crime are really serious. Have they no morals at all? Is the only thing that makes them not do crime the fact that they would go to prison? I live in Sweden and we have similar prison system but I wouldn't kill a person even if I wouldn't go to jail for it. Why? Because I'm not a sociopath.
PlastFarmor 1 year ago 3
@PlastFarmor Dude, it's a joke. But I see what you mean, "Kk Imma rape some woman in Norway and then go play tennis for less than 21 years"
paidophilos 1 year ago
awesome
Rotsertin 1 year ago
Keeping people down and treating them like animals in cages, and giving them one hour of exercise a day, and getting to talk to know but but guards, and knowing that they will be there for life makes them *extremely* resentful*(of society, prison and the government) and thus will fight, use drugs, try to escape, attack guards, re-offend, ect.. If the were shown respect, and giving a chance to get back in touch with themselves, and use their energy for good, most could find the right way.
imanerd36 1 year ago
norway- the model of the ideal human society
solidysnake1 1 year ago
lol
lucirz 1 year ago
Naive?
This is an ingenious system
nero91 1 year ago
chopping off both arms and legs and dropping them off in death valley is the solution, specially the pedefiles
topcheeze 1 year ago
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Norwegians have this, and look at what America has. Prisoners raping each other and guard brutality
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IDontFearYouAtAll 1 year ago
@IDontFearYouAtAll ok leave you troll.
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IDontFearYouAtAll 11 months ago
Amen Soapboxidol
germanviking86 2 years ago
Norwegian Prisons are like 5 star hotel, everyone has private clean room with 32 LCD tv, Smoke sold legally, Cheese & Milk breakfast, 5 star gym & Oslo is worlds capital of cocaine usage, nobody give a fuck bout comiting a malice crime n truely comited, but you can work with your head up as nobody cares to rob you as everyone got money.
GuidoBuschwald 2 years ago
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Yes people of Norway you should really be proud, You put America to shame
I wish your descendants were the founders of our country!
EyeWearMySunglasses 2 years ago 44
@EyeWearMySunglasses I love this kind of prison, and I believe ALL PRISONS SHOULD BE LIKE THIS, but I just saw pictures of another Norway prison that is like a 5 star resort, with flat screens, spa, in suite bathroom, computers, (absolutely beautiful, which is a good thing) but it actually looks better than where I live with, and I live in a college campus, which I believe education facilities should look better than criminal facilities.
I would rather live in a prison in Norway!!! WTF???
PollockQT 1 year ago
@EyeWearMySunglasses HOW DOES IT HELP IF COLLEGE STUDENTS RATHER LIVE IN PRISON THAN IN THE OUTSIDE???
Hell, I am actually considering getting the Norway citizenship and robbing more banks than John Dillinger until I get arrested, they get to have FUCKING PARTIES ON THE INSIDE!!!!
If they legalize pot in I'm serious about doing it!! Hell, I'm going to deal pot in Norway and have people smuggle it inside for me, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO??? PUT ME IN JAIL??? LOL
But seriously, THAT'S FUCKED UP!!!
PollockQT 1 year ago
@PollockQT A norwegian wouldnt say what you said. We are a proud people living in the best country in the world :)
ThermalHD 1 year ago
@PollockQT Lol! Do you know anything about norway and our society! the treatment they get in prioson isnt bad, but compared to norwegian standard it isn't that good. and about that luxury prison, most of the stuff there has to be earned, Its a way for inmates to learn responsebillity. and belive it or not, that system works...
oh and, If you wanna commit a crime just to live in "luxury" suroundings, then theres noting wrong with the standar of your campus, there's something wrong with you.
NorwegianStory 1 year ago
@NorwegianStory Okay, so if they behave appropriately they get say, a flat screen.
Do you know what I get for getting good grades, "being a good boy and not making trouble? I get to keep going to college, not a fucking flat screen...
My take on this is that is all just politics so that the government gets to say they are being progressive and everyone on the project gets a big cut, while you proud Norwegian people cheer for them.
PollockQT 1 year ago
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@PollockQT The statistics speak for themselves.
erlend87 1 year ago
I just don't believe on spoiling criminals in jail just because they aren't out there committing crimes or simply not causing trouble...
I believe that they should be treated as humanly as you would treat someone on the outside, but the whole point of jail is, not only to rehabilitate but to discourage criminals from becoming so. I myself I've never committed a crime other than smoking weed, but if I were to live there the fear of getting caught wouldn't discourage me from becoming a dealer.
PollockQT 1 year ago
@NorwegianStory My point is, if you turn a prison into a "non-punishing" system and turn it into an overly rewarding rehabilitation system first time offenders that are only dissuaded by the fear of imprisonment wouldn't give it a second thought.
Of course, one would be foolish to think that anyone will be going to that prison, probably only wealthy and/or famous criminals would end there...
PollockQT 1 year ago
@PollockQT. Actually its mostly the hardest criminals, but yeah cant see alot of the immigrant criminals there...
plainlake 1 year ago
@PollockQT haha, you can't "buy" yourself things like that in Norway.
sigridandbilly 1 year ago
@NorwegianStory I just think you are just blinded by their patriotism as much, or more than Americans as if you were trying to become their antagonist by doing the opposite by still being as overly patriotic...
Sometimes it isn't about a country at all, but about politics, and if you people are too proud to realize that the only people benefiting from this are "high class criminals", politicians, and everyone involved in the project, then you are no better than Americans yourselves...
PollockQT 1 year ago
prison in Scandinavia is notoriously easy/light...thats why the immigrants there don't give a fuck about committing crimes...the leftist governments/justice system gives a rapist like 1 year in a country club!!
cremefresche 2 years ago
Can they find jobs once they finish their time? Like do employers want to hire them once they get out?
EyeWearMySunglasses 2 years ago
What i know, after a time, their criminal record is destroyed to prevent any discrimination towards them : /
madichelp0 2 years ago
10 years. After 10 years your record gets wiped.
Totaltwist 1 year ago
sure, why wouldn't they? :)
Elland66 2 years ago
Fascist.
Icemario87 2 years ago
I think this is good idea, a place where criminals can live together, and maybe see there are a life thats much better than criminality. A socality life, maybe this place where they should stay rest of their lives.
mrtobbai 2 years ago
Sure yeah good idea, on that note I think I will go and rape a bunch of people and kill people in the most brutal way then I will come here and relax and get fed and live a nice simple life
cplbaltzer1 2 years ago
the jails here isn't actually jails.. It's more like mini-apartments. You get money to buy things, and watch tv..
jera3 2 years ago
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yeah true, but still. im kinda the paranoid guy..Norway havent realy tried death penalty, maybe criminality goes even lower...by death penalty i mean child abusers, papists n such should get it, scum of the earth.
Tinnesen89 2 years ago
max prison time in Norway is 21 years
HashSmokerDude420 2 years ago 3
your telling me? i live in Norway, actualy most people who gets max time is out before 21 years cous of good behavior. i think its a load of crap.
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HashSmokerDude420 2 years ago
? fuck deg, hverken er jeg homo, ei soper, tryne er det griser som har, komma er en fin ting, lettere å lese da se. å til slutt, lær deg å skjønne mening med en setning, din analfabete lille tøs.
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HashSmokerDude420 2 years ago
tenkte meg det.....legalize er jeg fullstendig enig i.
Tinnesen89 2 years ago
learn to speak norwegian. im Norwegian and i didnt understand what you said
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urkanwilhunt2 2 years ago
so agree! If you kill over 4-5 people you can get out after 5 years and go on again!.. They should make it to like 40 years. If you are getting 10 years it is 10 years instead of 10 years and out after 3 years..
jera3 2 years ago
YES.........4-5 people and 5 years is like friggin wrong....make it more than 40 you know the saying ``one`s a ... always a ...`` thats the thing. like put a crazy murderer or something in jail fore 40 years....i think it makes most of em just more insane in their frigign peanut.. like prison is a school kinda fore the litle guys doing few years, when they come out they are even smarter balder and snikyer. put em away on a deserted island hehe thats my new opinion x)
Tinnesen89 2 years ago
agree x)
jera3 2 years ago
ooriight x)
Tinnesen89 2 years ago
Norway does not need to to try the death penalty. Just take a look at the american justice system and you will see that Norway is miles ahead of the US.
manutd94fanman 2 years ago 2
yes ofcourse, but you have to think of our countrys size couse thats a biiiig diferense in criminality.....bigger city = more killing......smaler city = safe weed shopping x)
Tinnesen89 2 years ago
i think it has much more to do with how civil the society is...US isnt that civil to its people!
EyeWearMySunglasses 2 years ago
understandebal. its couse of the countries size, its easier to maintain our litle piece of land than your US wich is biig in compearence.
Tinnesen89 2 years ago
Size of land/population has nothing to do with the existence of a prison-industrial complex in the USA.
SoapBoxIdol 2 years ago
why so? its more people to handle, i think its has a big thing to do whit it.ok so Norway is the fucking best, thanks dud i have no prob with that.
Tinnesen89 2 years ago
So would you like a child rapist and muderer released back into society.
I do agree that the United States system is bad but some not deserve to be living anymore because of their crimes.
jas03000 2 years ago
For Child rapists (etc) prison shouldn't be their punishment. These kind of deeply disturbed people will have no benefit of prison and will come out completely un changed. There by spending tax money on nothing except cold revenge. What they do need is mental help, only then can they re establish themselves into society and become respectabe members of the community.
The death penalty belongs in the dark ages, welcome to the 21st century.
manutd94fanman 2 years ago
Your right ,prison will not changed them. You can't cure the mentally ill. Not even therapy will help them. Nothing will. Also I said child murderer/rapist. If someone raped and murdered your child , your saying release them back in society? Are you insane? Would you want to see them at the store? I doubt it.
It is not about revenge. It is about punishment for a very horrible crime.
jas03000 2 years ago
Of course if my child was raped and murdered I would like that person to die but that's not the point, it's not up to me. And I could hardly present an objective opinion about the matter.
One way to help these people could be by Chemical castration. No it's not as bad as it sounds, you simply lower the testosterone level and there by also lowering their lust.
And I doubt the fact that you have any knowledge what so ever about who can be cured by mental help or not.
manutd94fanman 2 years ago 2
I guess it should be voted on by citizens what to do with them. Personally, I'm for capital pushiment in cases like that.
I know what chemical castration is.
You can not cure mental disablility. Some medications can help with some of the symptoms of mental impairment but you can't get rid of the condition. Atleast not yet.
jas03000 2 years ago
and fore those there is one cure....a bullet in the head, manutd94fanman can call me a cave man but i realy think that would scare some of em away from the crime and those who do it would wanish from the face of earth..isnt this right? am i wrong? i know i would be more scared of doing a crime in such a condition, death penalty.
Tinnesen89 2 years ago
It's a fact that when the penalty of a crime is made longer the number of people comitting the crime is lowered. BUT only for a short period of time. This makes the death penalty and life terms completely useless.
manutd94fanman 2 years ago
why so?
Tinnesen89 2 years ago
Because if a penalty is suppose to scare people off and it fails to do so, then what purpose does it serve?
manutd94fanman 2 years ago 2
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Prison in Norway essentially serves three main purposes:
1. Protect society from crime.
2. Deter crime, as in crime must have a consequence.
3. Reform criminals.
Norway focuses heavily on 3. And it works very well.
stengevarsel 2 years ago 16
@stengevarsel this sounds much better than the american way
(that would be rape 24/7)
lolfolcopter 6 months ago
death is no selution... We throw them in prison..
jera3 2 years ago
urgh.. i live in norway.. and trust me.. the new generasion speak waaay better english than these guys.. but i guess thats the case every contry xD
kattyen 2 years ago 9
country;)*
Angloth 2 years ago 2
yes ``in`` every ``country`` i wonder wich generation he`s talking about x) naah im 20, Norwegian and my english such, but it is to understand..i think...also bring dead penalty here, wtf, rapists walking free after few years in bars, i will be scared when my kids go to school fore crying out loud. pfh eco prisons, what a load of crap. rapists, murderers n such....ONE cure.... a bullet in between the eyes, thats my opinion. over and out.
Tinnesen89 2 years ago
death penalty hasnt shown itself to be succsefull. norways prison system however, have.
Angloth 2 years ago 5
they surely must have a better time at bastøy than the conscript mandatorily called in soldiers have at diverse military camps around the country
balsamon 2 years ago
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Norwegian prisons? Do they have room service and massage therapy? I mean for ALL of Norway's 10 criminals? Just wondering.
Chuckjagermeister 2 years ago
Hahaha
I wish all prisons could be this way really.... this isn't about punishing them by keeping them away from sunlight for as long as possible; rather by keeping them out of harm's way until they're deemed safe to return to society.
I wish more people would to it this way ... and it makes me proud to be Norwegian
gilraen690 2 years ago 8
I live on the mainland outside that place. Its called Horten ;D
And the island is called Bastøya
ArdizzalFozzizal 2 years ago
i went to a school that was like this lol... but wtf i didnt knew we had jails like this here lol
HashSmokerDude18 2 years ago 6
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so the guy cut 2 people in half with a chainsaw and then in prison were like:
"oh did you cut 2 ppl in half with a chainsaw? well grab that chainsaw over there and start cutting trees in half"
I'm sure that would help the guy in his rehabilitation LOL
Probably after "prison" he is going to see people as trees!!!!!
hahahahahahaah
laikiunreal 2 years ago
well he had work experience.
emericanchaos 2 years ago
I never knew this O.O
Hva faen
itsAthina 2 years ago
Texas justice works, there's animals in texas. A little different than the typical Norwegian
Vacobra 2 years ago
Does it? A quick google, produced the following, "The Texas prison system incarcerates 140,000 people, second only to California, and is so big that prisoners are released every weekday. The question no one asks is: Who's coming back? But if someone did, the prisoners would answer: Not me. National studies show otherwise: Roughly half the men will be proved wrong within three years."
That sort of recidivism, does not sound like it is working and in fact it is presenting a great danger to you.
ninyae 2 years ago 6
You would last 5 minutes in a big city here in the U.S.. The only thing that keeps the animals somewhat in check is the possibility of hard time served. Stop looking through your frozen glasses.
Vacobra 2 years ago
You idiot. Don't you get it? At a 50% recidivist rate, all the system is doing is churning out more dangerous people and the general population ends up being on the receiving end of the violence that the system reinforces. How is your prison system making your life any safer? The fact that you feel that you need to be tough to get through life minute to minute in your city just goes to prove that. Your choice, you can be a tough boy or you can switch your thinking.
ninyae 2 years ago 9
I'm the idiot but you want to give prisoners a soft bed???
Vacobra 2 years ago
Go back and read what I wrote carefully, get your dictionary out if you need to, might help you to understand what I thought was simple language. Your choice boyo, be a tough boy and face all those recidivists with your false bravado or have a rethink about how to approach genuine rehabilatation. A released prisoner that does not re-offend is making life for you and yours safer. At a 50% recidivist rate, your life is in no way being made safer while you go on your vengeance kick.
ninyae 2 years ago 4
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I believe there's enough fuckups on this planet already. Kill the bad ones and let God sort them out.
Vacobra 2 years ago
Gee, you sound, vacoba, like the sort of deep thinker that would vote conservative. Who decides who the 'fuck ups' are? Let us hope that they don't decide that you are one of those 'fuck ups' during their selection process. I think you will find that the NWO has already decided that the likes of you and I are in that list of fuck ups that should be eliminated.
The list of 'fuck ups' kept growing under the Nazis.
ninyae 2 years ago 3
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So are you going to go visit Fritzl now you Assclown? You'd probably try to rehab him!
Vacobra 2 years ago
Good comeback, vocobra.
Deepthinking vacobra, thinks he has all the solutions to life but you are just playing the game. Do like you are told to along with all the other sheeple. I wonder if you have ever had an original thought in your life? Quickly go and read the newspapers so that you can find another ill thought out reply to satisfy your hatred, just so that you can believe that you are so much better than others, but you aren't, that's your guilt laying there.
ninyae 2 years ago 6
Now, I expect I will hear from you again in two weeks, which is apparently the length of time that you need to come up with such witty responses as 'Assclown'.
You were very clever to capitalise the assclown remark, you must have received high marks in English. I wonder, do you have your own personal carer to help you avoid tripping over yourself when you go outside?
ninyae 2 years ago 4
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Have a good one Assclown, I hope you never are harmed but one of your prison "graduates".
Vacobra 2 years ago
I hope u r never harmed 'but' one too.
But-tclown!
More chance of you getting harmed than me sonny. What goes around comes around and your state of mind will draw violence to you far quicker than violence will ever be drawn to me. "But" u r too simple to get your head around that one. Quite simply, I do not associate with fools. It is amazing how violence free, my life has been since I wised up. What you put out there is what you WILL get back.
Up yer bum, Vacuous.
ninyae 2 years ago 6
As you need day to day assistance to get through life, here is the Dictionary def, of vacuous.
1. without contents; empty: the vacuous air.
2. lacking in ideas or intelligence: a vacuous mind.
3. expressing or characterized by a lack of ideas or intelligence; inane; stupid: a vacuous book.
4. purposeless; idle: a vacuous way of life.
Oh how applicable that is to a mainstream media fed sucker like you.
ninyae 2 years ago 3
Excellent idea. Prisoners shouldn't just be locked away, they should be put to work mentally and physically.
Apart from learning a new skill they should also feel a sense of achievement which is character changing.
The only thing I would be worried about is the "minimal security" they mentioned.
GUAlliance 3 years ago 8
I'd say that this only works for prisoners with good records once inside. Also they may only be there for the last third of his sentence. It's better than having a man full of hate coming out into the public. They have sort of the same system in Australia as well. There is some people that realy do make mistakes in life, and they should get help before they go home.
sizercam 3 years ago
Try to imagine: Your sister gets raped and cut to pieces by some psycho with a chainsaw. You go to her funeral, you go through the process of waiting for the police to find him, you go to court and witness the whole proscess of convicting him, and then they sentence him to 21 years in a prison like that. (21 years in norway is never really 21 years, its more like 10). Would that feel like justice to you?
hansa197888 3 years ago
Where do you even get these examples? Stop making unrealistic examples to prove a point. 21 years? Seriously.
Penguines 3 years ago
I get these examples from the news! ; )
And seriously yes, 21 years is maximum in Norway.
hansa197888 3 years ago
I just looked it up. Now I think Norway is more humane than America.
Penguines 3 years ago 6
21 years is maximum true, but 21 prison years is not 10 years as you first said.
21 years becoming 10 years is 5month is the same as 1prison year, while I believe 9month is 1prison year. Also another thing to considder is that in Norway 20murders pr.year is A LOT, while in for example in us there is over 20 everyday.
kira20006 2 years ago 3
You have to look at it by percentage. We have a pretty calm country here, without much crime. To claim that 20 per year is a lot you have to look at 20 divided by 5 million vs. (by your ciphers) 7300+ divided by 350 million. That's 0,0004 murders per hundred Norwegians versus 0,002086 + per hundred Americans - assuming that there are in fact only 20 murders per day.
Still a substantially higher murder rate in America...!
gilraen690 2 years ago 3
Because we hope we have evolved past revenge. "Blodhevn" is medieval.
plainlake 2 years ago
im from norway, it's true, but they can lock you up longer if you don't behave on the inside, but on maximum security prison i norway, it's a real jail, with bars and walls and stuff. I have personaly been there. this jail they are showing here are actually the beats prison in norway, and is for inmates who are a ariwing from the maximum security on the last years on the jail time
kryptex911 3 years ago
"I tried other prisons!" lol!
jacqueslaumone 3 years ago 5
So interesting
Undurkhaan 3 years ago
I think we got something similar here in Sweden. Though not for murderers or other heavy crimes. Seems like a good system. :) We should learn from our neighbor.
SilkSwe 3 years ago 2
America could take serious notes.
How is Sweden? I have been considering moving to a Scandinavian country but I am not sure which. Which would you suppose would be best for a disillusion American? (learning a language is no problem)
littleredbirdy 3 years ago
I'm not really sure I'm the one to ask in that case since I'm obviously biased . I also have only visited Norway and Finland on a couple brief occasions.
What I've heard however is that things are pretty similar in all the Scandinavian countries. :)
SilkSwe 3 years ago
How do you think it would be for an American immigrant? How are immigration laws? Would it be a difficult transition? Job opportunities for someone with a B.S. in History?
I KNOW I would appreciate the culture more as well as the government. I look like your ordinary Swede, so I doubt I would turn too many heads until I opened my mouth.
littleredbirdy 3 years ago
I'm not really sure. I think that for an American it wouldn't be any problem. I have however seen some racist undertones concerning Muslims though. Also some year ago there where a lot of fuzz because of the discrimination against people with Arabic background.
Job opportunities isn't that great now during the recession so I wouldn't recommend moving here now. But then again I'm not really qualified for giving any advice since my "knowledge" consists of what I here in the news.
SilkSwe 3 years ago
move to Norway. we have not experienced many effects conserning the recession, so it should not be any problem getting a job. and culurally you should not have any problems with fitting in here. immigration is very easy once you have got a job here. considering that we are outside the EU, laws and restrictions and such, are a little bit different than the rest of Europe!
but come over we have a shortage on labor in our contry. btw prices may seem steep, but you would make moore money!
helvetesund 2 years ago 3
Why do u advertize? Leave it be.
KmfvD 2 years ago
I sadly say that I am an American. Worse yet I live in Texas. I am in the heart of all ignorance and pride. I see all the things wrong with my country and wish we could be more educated more civilized like most other countries. I try to show friends and family things like this video but to no avail they shake their heads and give me a look of disgust. Its a sad place to be
pooters27 3 years ago 3
ignorance is everywhere, but i guess it's more prevalent in texas...where would you rather be?
stigandr 3 years ago
"Norway has the lowest murder rate in the world. In 1999, when the US asked for extradition of an American prisoner, the Norwegian Supreme Court declared that most US prisons do not meet the minimum humanitarian standards."
So, lock up and then let them out after treating them like animals...what do you expect? Reoffenders, what else? Norway has got the right idea...BE SMART ON CRIME IF YOU WANT RESULTS!
juicyXD 3 years ago 14
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so they give a fuckin psycho murderer a chainsaw
and set him free in the woods to CUT DOWN TREES and then call it an eco prison? why dont they have them help organize recycling or some shit. thatd be good for the environment. not gathering eggs and stupid shit like that. retards.
alexmcadoo 3 years ago
if you watch the video again, perhaps you'll get the connection between eggs and environment.
lushlars 3 years ago 2
I'm not getting "eco-friendly" either, except in the solar panels and apparent lack of motor vehicles. Livestock isn't exactly eco-friendly (#1 source of methane= animal agriculture.)
I wonder if any of the prisoners look at the animals, who are caged like they once were, and make any connections?
Also, I seriously hope that they're not slaughtering animals there. I wouldn't think they'd be stupid enough to allow it (knowing the effect it could have on the prisoners), but you never know.
LeopardxLiz 3 years ago
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I think the US prison system should put all serious offenders (rapists, gangs, killers, etc..) in pure isolation for as long as their sentence. There's too much freedom and barbarianism behind bars. I think it's nothing but a disgrace and putrid to be housing uncivilized bad people. It's a waste of tax money. I say 23.5 hours a day in a 4 wall room, no windows, no light, food will only be brought to them twice a day. This will break their mind, and I think that's what these people need.
silentwatcher00 3 years ago
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fuck it, kill em all
SpamFairy 3 years ago
you cannont be serious if you know anything about psychology you know that yoru theory has many holes and couldn't be supported by any evidence. the only reason why the US has prisons like they do is not to rehabilitate but to have a cheap source of labor and to educate prisoners with other prisoners as their teachers. and jsut by looking at our system you know that our way doesnt work
pooters27 3 years ago
Fascinating how even some Norwegian prisoners speak English. I wonder how many American prisoners speak Norwegian.
keytoothed 3 years ago 8
Hahah, most american prisoners don't even speak their native tongue correctly!
malucarlinha 3 years ago 10
Most Norwegians, including myself, speak English. We start studying it at school in the second grade - it's a mandatory secondary language. We may also learn more languages if we so choose.
Wrifred 3 years ago
wow thats beutiful. id actually love to live there. do you think varg vikerness is in there?
jackmaggotdude 3 years ago