How do you figure they were wrongfully imprisoned? I wouldn't exactly call insects and waterboarding torture. What the Chinese did to Americans in Vietnam would make what we did look like a day at the beach. And the hangings of our men on the Iraq bridges is another non-comparison.
It is defined as torture. Also, it can not be legally performed in America, nor should it be performed anywhere in the world that acts in accoradance with the Geneva convention. It is well known that the majority were wrongfully imprisoned because there is no evidence against them. This is a major reason why no one wants to put them before a tribunal. As one guard in Gitmo claimed, out of the 600 detainees, he estimates about 15 were dangerous.
Most of the evidence against the detainees are confessions extracted under torture/duress whilst in Guantanamo. This is one reason why their confessions are dubious. The Tipton three (3 British detainees that were released without charge) had been coersced into confessing that they were in Afghanistan in 2000, despite initially denying it. It was the British MI5 that eventually provided irrefutable evidence that they were in England at those dates.
On a side note, I don't believe anything Pete Williams has to say. He has twisted more news articles in the past year as a major W.H. broadcaster than any other. The guy has lost his mind. He smirks, he's snarky and he thinks this is a joke. Watch him sometime. The guy can't keep from trying not to laugh. I'm going to take someone like him seriously? He can't even report facts straight.
Maybe Pete should interview my kid that just came back from Iraq. The stories of how they act over there would have all your heads spinning and definitely not so dismissive of their actions or why we detained who we did. You want the truth? Ask a soldier.
You do realise that they were arrested in Afghanistan and Pakistan, right? Not Iraq. Also, I haven't gotten any of my information from Pete. What I've said has been well documented. It is a the principal factor in closing down Guantanamo. The prison has effectively failed and has tarnished America's reputation.
One of the major issues about their capture is that the majority weren't captured on the battlefield by American troops. They were handed in by people collecting a bounty of $2500 for anyone connect to the Taliban/Al-Qaeda. This is why so many foreigners were abducted and handed in with no evidence. Many of the claims made against them have been bogus. Saying that they went to places that literally do not exist or other places that they could not have been.
I don't care what the bleeding-heart, politically correct think is. War isn't supposed to be politically correct. You're going to find fault with something because war isn't pretty, period. It's ugly, but we didn't start it. They did. You're choosing to forget that and dismiss the fact that Obama is now releasing them into the United States, against the advise or top military officials. The blood of Americans which will happen will be on the hands of those who support what Obama is doing.
You're missing some MASSIVE factors. Humane treatment of prisoners is essential. It's internationally expected. And when you say 'They did', who do you even mean? The people in Guantanamo were NOT even tried and there is a shocking lack of evidence against them. The ones that were British were lucky, because they how corroborating proof from England. The ones from Afghanistan have none. A large number were not proper Muslims and did not know how to pray.
Torture defined by whom? I could say slapping your face is torture, but is it? Because that's what they did. It's not torture. I don't see any report that there was no "evidence" against them. In fact, according to the DoJ, there was plenty of reason to detain who they had. Don't believe everything you read. We aren't the enemy here, they are, or did we forget so soon? 90% of Americans backed Bush after 9/11. Not that I agree with his TARP BS but he had defense right. Obama has it wrong
Torture as defined by the Geneva convention. Every civilised country adheres to it. Except America. In fact, America has actually critised other countries like Iraq for not following the guidelines. I agree that you shouldn't believe everything you read. You have this dangerous mentality that 'they' are the enemy. But who are they? All Afghanis? All Iraqis? All Muslims? Who? Just because 90% American supported the war, doesn't mean mistreating innocent people is humane or just.
Oh sure, Pete. Make excuses for why terrorists should be released into OUR country. You're such a FAG!
Jadedbyte 3 years ago
I think the point is that they are not, and never were terrorists.
They were wrongfully imprisoned and tortured for many years.
Englishdosser86 2 years ago
How do you figure they were wrongfully imprisoned? I wouldn't exactly call insects and waterboarding torture. What the Chinese did to Americans in Vietnam would make what we did look like a day at the beach. And the hangings of our men on the Iraq bridges is another non-comparison.
Jadedbyte 2 years ago
It is defined as torture. Also, it can not be legally performed in America, nor should it be performed anywhere in the world that acts in accoradance with the Geneva convention. It is well known that the majority were wrongfully imprisoned because there is no evidence against them. This is a major reason why no one wants to put them before a tribunal. As one guard in Gitmo claimed, out of the 600 detainees, he estimates about 15 were dangerous.
Englishdosser86 2 years ago
Most of the evidence against the detainees are confessions extracted under torture/duress whilst in Guantanamo. This is one reason why their confessions are dubious. The Tipton three (3 British detainees that were released without charge) had been coersced into confessing that they were in Afghanistan in 2000, despite initially denying it. It was the British MI5 that eventually provided irrefutable evidence that they were in England at those dates.
Englishdosser86 2 years ago
On a side note - I should say that these people in the video could potentially be terrorists against China. But, I doubt that you mind that as much.
Englishdosser86 2 years ago
On a side note, I don't believe anything Pete Williams has to say. He has twisted more news articles in the past year as a major W.H. broadcaster than any other. The guy has lost his mind. He smirks, he's snarky and he thinks this is a joke. Watch him sometime. The guy can't keep from trying not to laugh. I'm going to take someone like him seriously? He can't even report facts straight.
Jadedbyte 2 years ago
Maybe Pete should interview my kid that just came back from Iraq. The stories of how they act over there would have all your heads spinning and definitely not so dismissive of their actions or why we detained who we did. You want the truth? Ask a soldier.
Jadedbyte 2 years ago
You do realise that they were arrested in Afghanistan and Pakistan, right? Not Iraq. Also, I haven't gotten any of my information from Pete. What I've said has been well documented. It is a the principal factor in closing down Guantanamo. The prison has effectively failed and has tarnished America's reputation.
Englishdosser86 2 years ago
One of the major issues about their capture is that the majority weren't captured on the battlefield by American troops. They were handed in by people collecting a bounty of $2500 for anyone connect to the Taliban/Al-Qaeda. This is why so many foreigners were abducted and handed in with no evidence. Many of the claims made against them have been bogus. Saying that they went to places that literally do not exist or other places that they could not have been.
Englishdosser86 2 years ago
I don't care what the bleeding-heart, politically correct think is. War isn't supposed to be politically correct. You're going to find fault with something because war isn't pretty, period. It's ugly, but we didn't start it. They did. You're choosing to forget that and dismiss the fact that Obama is now releasing them into the United States, against the advise or top military officials. The blood of Americans which will happen will be on the hands of those who support what Obama is doing.
Jadedbyte 2 years ago
You're missing some MASSIVE factors. Humane treatment of prisoners is essential. It's internationally expected. And when you say 'They did', who do you even mean? The people in Guantanamo were NOT even tried and there is a shocking lack of evidence against them. The ones that were British were lucky, because they how corroborating proof from England. The ones from Afghanistan have none. A large number were not proper Muslims and did not know how to pray.
Englishdosser86 2 years ago
Torture defined by whom? I could say slapping your face is torture, but is it? Because that's what they did. It's not torture. I don't see any report that there was no "evidence" against them. In fact, according to the DoJ, there was plenty of reason to detain who they had. Don't believe everything you read. We aren't the enemy here, they are, or did we forget so soon? 90% of Americans backed Bush after 9/11. Not that I agree with his TARP BS but he had defense right. Obama has it wrong
Jadedbyte 2 years ago
Torture as defined by the Geneva convention. Every civilised country adheres to it. Except America. In fact, America has actually critised other countries like Iraq for not following the guidelines. I agree that you shouldn't believe everything you read. You have this dangerous mentality that 'they' are the enemy. But who are they? All Afghanis? All Iraqis? All Muslims? Who? Just because 90% American supported the war, doesn't mean mistreating innocent people is humane or just.
Englishdosser86 2 years ago
Nice going, Bush administration.
writechic 3 years ago