Pepper Spray The Students + NEW police statement (text)

[Cooliem4]

I'm normally not against cops, but man this just made me say, "Dumb-ass pigs what the fuck is wrong with you you prick?!"

[VonLeachim]

perhaps like being 'between a rock and a hard' place being a police constable.

sounds 'cheesy' or whatever but - follow your hearts .

[tonygem]

What is most obvious is that the police have been militarized in this country since 9/11 and have too much power. They also are the hachet men for the rich and powerful, including major corporations. They no longer care about the citizens and our rights. We have to take back our rights from them anyway we can.

[hardwoodhead]

He told them to move or he would spray them

They didn't move

He sprayed them

How is he in the wrong?

[w84q]

@hardwoodhead , WE The People, have the Right to FREE Speech and Peaceful Assembly. Freedom is not free my friend, and if you don't stand up for your rights, you LOOSE your Rights. I Love the USA, and I am sick and tired of this corporatism and cronyism that has been poisoning this country. Stand Up, Wake Up , or Loose it forever.

[meatwad891]

@hardwoodhead Thats really simple. He sprayed them.

[hardwoodhead]

@meatwad891

It's not against the law, hes given that mace for a reason.

Breaking the rules isn't ok.

[Nookumbunny]

@hardwoodhead Thank you! Someone else understands the difference between the First Amendment and breaking the law! Mob rule does not replace the law under the Constitution. There are lawful and peaceful ways to protests--I've done it--and the Occupidiots are NOT in search of free speech, they deny it to others by shouting them down. They have amassed crimes since this union-sponsored movement began. Not democracy or free speech or peaceful demonstrations. Thanks to law enforcement!

[Nookumbunny]

@hardwoodhead Thank you! Someone else understands the difference between the First Amendment and breaking the law! Mob rule does not replace the law under the Constitution. There are lawful and peaceful ways to protests--I've done it--and the Occupidiots are NOT in search of free speech, they deny it to others by shouting them down. They have amassed crimes since this union-sponsored movement began. Not democracy or free speech or peaceful demonstrations. Thanks to law enforcement!

[meatwad891]

@hardwoodhead He's in the wrong. Just because youre a police officer doesnt give you the right to order people to disperse in a public area. If you havent read the american constitution the students are guaranteed the right to be able to sit in a line at a park. What the cop did was aggravated battery. He should be in jail.

[TheLockon00]

Would've been sweet if one of them would've just shot that cop in the face.

[flyingturtle19]

this is disgusting, clean them out

[ZeeTVize]

John pike is a ginger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stevo21294]

he said move, they didnt. since when do we promote breaking rules? i dont. they got what was coming to them

[hatfinch]

@stevo21294 The constitution guarantees the right to peaceable assembly. The law requires force to be proportionate. I don't expect you to know what any of those words mean, but you can look them up.

[stevo21294]

@hatfinch hey woah, watch the rudeness, i'm not acting like an ass to you, just trying to voicing my opinion without insulting the intelligence of other people i dont know. i'm a actually currently taking a government and politics course and i may not be that far in the year, but it seems to me that if one is breaking a law or code of a school then they can get the police to deal with that person as seen fit. i'm sure those police werent there because they had nothing better to do

[hatfinch]

@stevo21294 Yes, sorry for the rudeness, that was out of order.

[stevo21294]

@hatfinch for example, if i have people over at my house, my personal property, and they start sitting down on my yard or blocking my driveway, i'm definitely going to get the police over as soon as possible to get them out. those students could march around the campus or distribute flyers or whatever, but as soon as they create a hassle for other students or teachers to go to where they need to be, the school administration has the obligation remove them

[hatfinch]

@stevo21294 But if someone sits down in your yard, you can't just start assaulting them.

[stevo21294]

@hatfinch correct, you tell them to move repeatedly, and when they dont move, get the authorities and have the authorities forcibly remove them

[stevo21294]

@hatfinch FURTHERMORE i believe the biggest words in your original response were constitution, guarantee, peaceful, assembly, and proportionate. if that is what you consider a multifarious vocabulary then .... o.O

[hatfinch]

@stevo21294 Oooh multifarious!

[stevo21294]

@hatfinch one last thing, the police were asking students to move for a little while. they did not. the police were then forced to arrest them. they could not because the students had their arms linked with one another. the police then had two options, beat them into submission to separate them and then bind and arrest them, or pepper spray them to break them apart. if you were a police officer that is your job, which would you pick? or do you think that the police are "pigs"?

[hatfinch]

@stevo21294 False dichotomy. If I said the choice was either tickling or shooting in the head, would you just accept that?

[stevo21294]

@hatfinch what say you're the police and you have a bunch of people being somewhere they shouldn't. you can't back down and leave them their because your under orders and because if you did, it would undermine the authority of the police, announcing to the rest of the nation or at least the community there that you can do what ever you want because the police in dont have the balls to stop you. now you tell me how to deal with the protestors

[stevo21294]

@hatfinch personally i like the police in my town, they keep us citizens safe. however, if police start acting out of line like in he 1960's civil rights movement where they beat innocent marchers who were not breaking any laws, school codes, etc that is simply not right. these students were not doing that. there is no right block the traffic of vehicles or people on public/private given to citizens under the constitution. if they will not comply to police demands, they will facethe consequences

[hatfinch]

@stevo21294 I'm not saying they shouldn't have been arrested. I'm saying that what happened to them was disproportionate.

[JasonRadley]

If this was really pepper-spray and not deodorant then the police need to invest in something more potent - chilli-powder is one option. This didn't seem to have any effect.

[reyavq777]

sure they were scared AFTER they did it cuz they were in the wrong and they knew they messed up

[hatfinch]

Some other choice justifications:

Charles J. Kelly, a former Baltimore Police Department lieutenant who wrote the department's use of force guidelines, said pepper spray is a "compliance tool" that can be used on subjects who do not resist.

"When you start picking up human bodies, you risk hurting them," Kelly said.

[hatfinch]

Some other choice justifications:

Addressing a news conference on Saturday, UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza said the decision to use the pepper spray was taken on the spot.

"The students had encircled the officers," Spicuzza said, "They needed to exit. They were looking to leave but were unable to get out."