President Kennedy's Fort Worth visit on November 22, 1963.

[MCK0207]

According to Jean Hill there was at least five shots, possibly six shots.

[SuperBandstand]

4.13 theres lots of people on the knoll .....

[TheAmbassador11]

The bullet did not stop at the stomach as you know. It damaged Oswald's spleen. liver and pancreas.

[pajasa62]

@TheAmbassador11

If you are trying to prove that Ruby is a hitman, do you think that shooting someone in the BELLY (for what would be THE MOST important hit in mob history) is very persuasive? It is LOW probabilty and if you saw such a thing in a MOVIE, you'd probably think the victim survived because simply...it isn't intended as a mortal wound like a head shot!...let alone a single shot!

[TheAmbassador11]

@pajasa62 No, I was not trying to prove that Ruby was a hit man. The point I was trying to make was that the bullet did not stop at the stomach but continued to do more damage and indeed damage life sustaining organs. People die from wounds from other parts of the body that are not as essential but they can bleed to death from any type of gun shot wound regardless of the location of the entry wound. Ruby intended for Oswald to die. People, as you know, die from wounds other than head wounds.

[pajasa62]

@TheAmbassador11

Yes, it is laughable to suggest that for what would be the most important hit in mob history, that the hitman would use a single shot to the belly...to think otherwise is unthoughtout. Such a low probabilty shot is THE OPPOSITE of what such a hitman would do.

[TheAmbassador11]

@pajasa62 Are you underestimating the power of a 38.? Was that what Ruby shot Oswald with? Almost anywhere in the torso would kill him.

[pajasa62]

@TheAmbassador11

Nice! Wait 3 weeks to respond to my answer, then just ask the question again.

If you are trying to persaude ANYONE that for the most important hit in mob history, their hitman would use a single shot to the BELLY to silence someone, they'd LAUGH at you. It is not intended as a mortal wound like a headshot would be...PERIOD!

[snoops71]

My Grandmother's twin sister and one of her sons were there that day, in Ft. Worth. She talked about it for the rest of her life.

[TheGatorfan93]

You have to accept a plot involving 100 or more people

lol,nice try at marginalizing the assassination.I dont have to prove a conspiracy,just raise reasonable doubts to oswalds guilt.And there is reasonable doubt.Nice try though paj,but your not getting away with this crap anymore.

[10Faenor]

@TheGatorfan93 Think about it.

There are plenty of criminal conspiracies and plots involving the Mafia. And the Mafia has thousands of members in their various families.

Yes, they can and do escape many of their murders and other crimes because their members keep their mouths shut, or else.

Mafia families. Kind of like some members of the CIA, FBI, some politicians, news media owners. The JFK assassination conspiracy is just an open secret, protected by the criminals that own and run the USA.

[muthemasphate]

@TheGatorfan93 oswald was mk-ultra

[Thejbirdy]

A bright shining moment.

[pajasa62]

"smokeless powder was not of common use"

One word answer....NONSENSE!

[SunCelticSea]

Now He is with his wife and their son Patrick in the Heaven!!

I love you!!!death to killers as Johnson, Hoover, Cabell etc

Everyday I cry for you :( rip ^----ghost^-----

[gus19668]

jfk check if is the gold there or not ??

[SpeedoCalifGuy]

Thanks for post it. It was one of the most saddest day in our time in 1963,after John got shot. I believe, was from the grassy knoll. RIP...John and Jackie kennedy and thier son John John kennedy.

[DONUTBUZZCUT]

My Aunt's friend irene's father severed President Kennedy his last meal.

[poorlittlerobin]

This is great. I really appreciate all of the video that you have put on UTube about Kennedy. It still brings tears to my eyes ever after all of these years. Your comments on this video were great, too. :>)

[corydwalker]

At 5:25, she says that he looks down at a dog in the seat. I don't remember a dog being there. See, this is how witnesses can be inaccurate, although not intentionally.

[ruachel]

corydwalker, too bad you failed to Google this before jumping to conclusions: Wallace Milam found Love Field footage that shows Jacquie holding the white, fluffy "Lambchops." Jean Hill mistook Lambchops for a fluffy, white dog. Bloodied Lampchops was photographed in the limousine next to the pool of JFK's blood. Jean Hill was right. A man shot JFK from the grassy knoll.

[55westend]

Who was "lambchops"?

[ruachel]

Search engine: "Shari Lewis and Lamb Chop -

Fifties TV Sixties TV and Music"

first result will be Lamb Chop site

[DoubleR666]

hi,

where can i find this photo you are talking about ? url ? thanks !!

at about 3:08 into THIS video you can also see that he is holding besides a bouquet of roses something else in her hand which looks like a small puppet. So Jean Hill WAS right after all.

Thanks for the upload ! Although the quality of this footage leaves a lot to be desired, of someone has a source for a better quality video of this footage i really would appreciate it !

[pajasa62]

Exactly. If you look at the Zapruder film her head is turned away from the limo as it passes in front of her and barely turns back a milla-second before the head shot. On the interview Hill talks about 3 or 4 more shots AFTER the head shot. Years later, in need of cash she suddenly "remembers" a bullet flying past her and "puffs of smoke" despite smokeless powder being used for 50 years prior!

[DoubleR666]

"a bullet flying past her and "puffs of smoke" despite smokeless powder being used for 50 years prior!"

well, Hill was not the only witness that day who saw smoke. And the use of smokeless powder was not of common use, in fact it was the exception. Look at the dude that shot all the students from this tower at this Texas University... can't remember his name. and look at the news footage when he shoots... bang = smoke, bang = smoke, bang = smoke

[pajasa62]

Listen to her radio and TV interviews on ALL the networks on 11/22! Does she say ANYTHING about a puff of smoke on any? - NO! But suddenly in conjunction with a book a O. Stones movie, she remembers! Any exhaust from a Mannlicher-Carcano dissipates so quickly you have to be LOOKING at it when being fired!

Listen to the SM Holland (another that changed his story) on CBS-TV in June '67, talking about "a long puff of steam"!!!

And no so-called, "pro hit-team" is going to use obsolete weaponry.

[DoubleR666]

hard to say if she was simply making this up or if she told the truth, at least there was a"puppet".

i don't buy into her story too, at least when it comes to her claims that she saw the puff of smoke and her statement that she stood in the street (not on the grass) when the limo passed her.

agree,if there was smoke then it vanishes quite quickly and does not stand in the air for long, it was not windless. Some witnesses also smelled gunpowder.

[pajasa62]

It's a shame but there are people that either crave or want to milk their "15 minutes of fame".

One of the worse examples is Carolyn Walthers who was to claim she saw multiple shooters on the 4th or 5th flrs. BUT after watching the motorcade on Elm St. with a co-worker, hearing the shooting and chaos, Walthers mentioned NOTHING to her co-worker or anyone for 2 weeks. Let alone Elsie Dorman and another TSBD worker were on the 4th flr and Norman, Williams and Jarmen were on the 5th & saw nobody!

[DoubleR666]

eye and earwitness reports are overrated. memory often plays tricks on you. better rely on things you can put your hands on, film or photo evidences is also a shakey thing - especially these days with all the alteration software.

In the case of JFK the only things we can be 100% certain of is that JFK was hit by at least 2 bullets and that the head shot(s) was fatal. we don't know where the shots came from, who the shooter(s) was or how many shots were fired.

[pajasa62]

You make some good points. But in the debate between "Oswald alone" & "conspiracy", it seems conspiracy theorists don't want to take on the responsibility of all the detail of this complex event. To reject the evidence against Oswald & no conspiracy means you have to accept a plot & coverup involving 100's some "casually going along" at the last minute - eg. Bethesda photo & x-ray technicians or Western Union employees with original invoice time-stamped a mere 4 minutes before Ruby shot Oswald.

[DoubleR666]

just the opposite imo. SERIOUS conspiracy researchers dig deep whereas the WC appologists and the Commission itself only scratch the surface, twisted, omitted and rearrange evidences, witness testemonies and timelines.

agree,if there was a conspiracy why didn't they keep it simple, instead there was this gigantic cover-up and preplaning. IMO the Official version has too many inconsistencies: The Magic Bullet, the headshot and JFKs reaction to it, the rifle, the 2nd autopsy, Oswald in Mexico..

[pajasa62]

I don't think supporters of the "bageman" or "umbrellaman" or David Lifton's "altered body" or Jim Garrison's investigation consider themselves as not serious. A JFK conspiracy to support "Oswald alone & conspiracy coverup" is simply TOO LARGE to maintain....the Warren Commission had 34 members with their General Counsel and staff lawyers NOT TO MENTION 100's of agents & specialists conducting 25,000 interviews and examining 3,000 pieces of evidence - how many of them would need to be involved?

[TheAmbassador11]

@pajasa62 You are underestimating several people. There was too much going on for CT'ers to believe that LHO killed anyone. JFK had a lot dangerous, powerful, enemies, least of all Oswald.

[pajasa62]

@TheAmbassador11

My friend, it isn't 48 days after this event...it is 48 years. Just the fact that you say "JFK had alot of dangerous powerful enemies" here we are, STILL to this very day, 48 years later and still in the "speculation phase".

ALL Presidents (maybe save William Henry Harrison) had political arch enemies whose own agenda would have profited with the removal of the sitting President. (just look at Bush and Obama...!)

[TheAmbassador11]

@pajasa62 Well, I am not sure of ANY of the theorys I post. They ARE speculations, but Oswald look-a-likes pretending to be him when he was not in those areas. A rifle that was said to be defective. Trees blocking the target at the so-called first shot. People believing Oswald was at the scene at Officer Tippits murder at the same time Oswald was seen at the Texas Theater. No one seeing Oswald running down any stairs after the shots were fired. No lawyer present for him during interrorgation.

[pajasa62]

@TheAmbassador11

Everything you have said in this post is completely ambiguous or just or a total groping for evidence.

You take the idea that Oswald and 2 people running down the stairs not crossing paths perfectly within a few seconds is something leading toward proof!...or Burtch Burroughs readily admitting that he had no reason to note the time in the theatre, just guessing at it!

And if you want me to tell you the details regarding Oswald's "no lawyer" nonsense, just ask.

[TheAmbassador11]

@pajasa62 Ok, why no lawyer for Oswald when he requested one?

[pajasa62]

@TheAmbassador11 "Why no lawyer for Oswald"

In 1988, WFAA-TV Dallas (the ABC affiliate) released their weekend coverage showing the president of the Dallas Bar Association after he met Oswald in his cell on 11/23. Nichols said that Oswald did not want the Dallas Bar Association to provide a lawyer & instead wanted John Abt a lawyer that specialized in defending subversives! Abt wasn't available.

THIS corroborated by Robert Oswald, Margurite Oswald, Marina Oswald & Ruth Paine...is that enough?

[TheAmbassador11]

@pajasa62 I have questions as to why there were so many police officers were there in the first place. There were way too many people in that area, period. Over 70 officers, plus all the reporters? That transfer should have been top secret and possibly done in the middle of the night on a strictly need-to-know basis. That whole scene was set up to allow that murder to occur.

[pajasa62]

@TheAmbassador11

According to Chief Jessie Currie, they let the media get out of hand. They were bombarded with requests and even had TV cables running through Capt. Will Fritz 3rd floor window from the outside of the building.

In Currie's book, he explained how sensitive the upper levels of the Dallas police were to the idea that the police were mistreating Oswald under interrogations because Oswald's face was marked up from the fight in the theatre.

[DoubleR666]

The Ruby incident is also something that bothers me. He always carried a revolver, he was exactly in time when he shot LHO - a few minutes later he would have missed him. He was a very emotional guy. Maybe he really shot LHO impulsively.

[pajasa62]

I feel you are right about Ruby, aside from the idea that no hitman would commit the crime in a police station with ZERO chance to escape, but even more so....why would a hitman sent to silence someone do it with a low-probabilty single shot to the BELLY?

[DoubleR666]

why would a hitman sent to silence someone do it with a low-probabilty single shot to the BELLY?

that also supports the thesis that Ruby was not a hired gun. a shot in the stomach area is not safe enough.

[TheAmbassador11]

@pajasa62 Let me ask you a question; how did Ruby know he could shoot someone in front of so many cops? How is it that the police arrested Ruby without shooting him ( after he discharged a weapon and murdered a man )?

[pajasa62]

@TheAmbassador11

"How did Ruby know he could shoot Oswald in front of cops?"

???

That makes no sense to ask...as does your questions on "why didn't the cops shoot Ruby?" Did you ever see the footage?...how quickly Ruby was subdued & apprehended?

YOU SHOULD BE ASKING YOURSELF...

if Oswald was to be silence (and you think the cops are corrupt) WHY WOULDN'T they kill Oswald in the theatre...an ARMED SUSPECT IN THE KILLING OF A FELLOW COP?????

[v19d]

Too bad it wasn't much stronger then he wouldn't have been killed.

[11leverhume]

pretty good