Sorry Jack, I disagree. This nation is a land of all faiths. Our government shouldn't allow religious displays in public areas, that are funded by tax payer money, but if someone wants to bring a bible or pray in such areas, I see no problem with it. Let people have their faith, but don't let government recognize any certain religion.
The entire argument of the piece is baloney. The fact of a predominantly christian cultural past can in no way inform any prescribed norm of christian religious supremacy present.
I disagree that being an American makes one a Christ follower by default, I also disagree that going to church makes one a Christ Follower by default, People become a Christ follower by confessing Him, Loving God, and Loving others (enemies included).
The issue with Christianity is not denying its influence on the culture of the west, for better or worse,which no atheist that I know of denies. The issue is with the religion's "truth" claims, which too many people think should be treated as nothing less than self evident, which leads to the promotion of self-destructive ignorance and superstition.
Christian by default. BUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLSHHHHHHHHHITTTTTT.
Everyone is born with no religion, everyone is born atheist, with no religious ties. Only when they're indoctrinated into the Christian lifestyle they are Christian.
The founding fathers were hypocrites and murderers and thieves, and just because they wrote the constitution years ago doesn't mean we need to follow it now.
@zaggers77 "Just because they wrote the constitution years ago doesn't mean we have to follow it now." *ahem* YES IT FUCKING DOES!!!!! The constitution is the foundation of our country and secures our rights as American citizens you twit!!! You want to live in an atheist communist utopia? Go get deported to North Korea you thick fuck!
So do you concede that the founding fathers were murderers and theives. George Washington has slaves, knew slavery was wrong but kep them till he died. And Jefferson was just a plain racist.
What a foolish assumption, atheist communist utopia. Any ways loook how other countries turn out who have religion in thier constitution. Also we are more moral than our forefathers and should be able to make changes to the constitution that our forefathers commonly did and suggested doing.
Wow SA, you've changed over the years. I can't believe i'm hearing you say something like this. I'm sure you've heard of the Treaty of Tripoli by now, but as I can see you certainly haven't heard of it three years ago.
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." - Thomas Paine
We're all culturally Christian. I get the point, but the argument has no meat because you could say the same thing about corporate farming or militarism or slavery. Because we grew up with it doesn't mean it has any "rightful" place in our society. It simply has the place it has.
if i was younger i would gladly move to southern america. i am english and very very very proud to be such . i feel the south has the same pride. time to have a return to pride in country and your own kind.
Anyone can believe what they want to believe, but keep it in your homes and churches, not in our schools. The only reason Christianity (catholiscsm) has had an impact on the world is that it was spread buy the tip of a sword. It is because of this Protestents emerged, and so did other types of congregations. Oh, and the founding fathers were deists. This is not a rail against SA, I'm just stating my opinion.
@mongoose704 Hmm...I could have sworn that Jefferson, like the majority of the Founding Fathers, was a member of the Church of England. Yes, deists reject the notion of a God involving himself in everyday affairs, but, then again, Mormons reject a significant portion of traditional Christianity. The same can be said of the Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox Christians, et cetera, but they all consider themselves to be Christian. I'm an agnostic, unitarian, diest, and baptist. Hmm...
@rtgoodson Only questions need answers and I did not ask you a question I made a point, one you haven't refuted or even addressed with anything relevant other than
well so and so calls themselves Christians and Thomas Jefferson once belonged to a church.
God is a lie. God is a power tool for control of others. God is a fear tactic. God is a scare tactic for getting your money. God is a weapon of mass destruction. God is the owner of the longest penis in existence (Mary was impregnated all the way from Heaven. God is a joke that some people can't take. God is your Television set, or your Computer Monitor. God is money, owned by private profiteers and not by the citizens of the USA. God is Satan God is anything at all that you're scared of.
Now I can agree that mankind can screw up every religion created. But - something created the things I ask about above. And, who are you to argue with that?
Christianity (good & bad) created the Democratic Republic we live in & see this youtube educational video playlist.
Sorry CaJeffO - I can only ask the unanswerable questions. Such as, why is there something rather than nothing? And, if something created all that there is, who created that something that had the ability to create? These questions are circular & will completely tear your mind apart if you keep on trying to find the answers.
Now I can agree that mankind can screw up every religion created. But - something created the things I ask about above. And, who are you to argue with that?
Christianity (good & bad) created the Democratic Republic we live in & see this youtube educational video playlist.
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies."-President Jefferson
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."-President Madison
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."-President John Adams
"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."-President Lincoln
The Christian heritage present in the fact that America has always been a majority Christian nation since 1776? That all our presidents have been Christians? The vast majority of all our leaders? That the practices in American Christian faith have shaped the very milestones by which we live our lives and the morals by which we govern ourselves? Historical reality trumps dubious quotes pal.
"Christian by default," as in "are you a Protestant atheist or a Catholic atheist?" (it's an old joke). I'm sorry but THAT'S generally not what or how the "Christian Heritage" movement defines what it means to be a "Christian."
Most orthodox Christians don't believe generic or nominal Christianity is "real" Christianity.
wrong !!!!! this is the shit you need to keep out of school....teach religion in church and educate in school..Say your prayer before you leave the house..Everyone will be happy that way,,,And no kid will feel left out..
jerry fallwell was an idiot, the fact that he married religion and politics has put this country back several spaces . In the words of christopher hitchens on jerry fallwell, "the finding of his body in his obscure office was of no significance, and Its a pity that there isnt a hell for him to go to"
I agree that praying in schools should not be banned. If a was a christian, or religious for that matter, I would have want to pray as I like. But the 10 commandments in court, those things have as much to do with justice as mud with washing machines.
For the other points I also agree, no matter if we like it or not, christianity is part of our culture and we can not escape from that.
SA - you are great!
As for the idiot with the creationist nonsense below - GET AN EDUCATION YOU MORON!!!
I love how you godless idiots lecture people about the need to get an education and then broadcast your ignorance without shame.
I can assure you son, my educational experience is vastly superior to yours. How is the IT work going for you buddy? Seriously, do you even have a degree from a university?
Maybe if you would *actually* get an education, you wouldn't be posting your ignorant comments about American politics as well as your completely ignorant comments on "creationist" views.
1) I haven't been slammed for talking religion with my students.
2) One of my fellow teachers will pray over his meal and nobody says anything to him about it.
3) Even as an admitted nonbeliever, I wouldn't oppose a copy of the Sermon on the Mount being placed in every school over the ten commandments. I think it would inspire more respect for Christianity than the Decalogue ever could.
If those sound blasphemous, then it's open season on me.
I really believe that any respect for Christianity is respect for years of enslavement, hubris, genocide and tyranny! The bible was nothing more/nothing less than a declaration of war against the masses. It has been proven again and again. Look at Jonestown, look at Charles Manson, look at the Crusades, the Dark Ages, the Inquisition, the civil instability between catholics and protestants in Ireland. The list goes on pal!
I don't disagree with you. At the same time, taking such a stance with Christians will earn you their wrath and conceit. Such an attitude only cements in the Christian's mind that atheists and nonbelievers are batshit insane and they should be avoided at all costs.
I am surrounded by Christians everyday! Most of them know how I feel. I know all of what I said as fact. I'm not just speaking from where the sun doesn't shine. You can clarify this information on the internet, at your local library and even more and more it is being talked about and reported in the mainstream media.
At the same time, they are going throw information (however misleading) about atheism back in our faces. Freethought may have been respected at one time, but after the Red Scare, Americans have really held on hard to their belief in God. I'm not saying don't do it, I am just saying expect them to do the same thing you are doing.
jazzfan: I too am surrounded by these close minded, intolerant idiots all the time, and I openly insult their stupidity and lack of reasoning to their face, and they cant to anything about it. we freethinkers, atheist, and anti theist (me being the latter) need to make a noise so we can remove this toxic belief system from society
I say let people believe what they want to believe. Just don't push your belief on me because then I am not going to respect you or your beliefs. Don't expect me to respect Christianity either. I am not about to have any respect for a religion that has tortured people for centuries.
There's something I guess you should know, religion is one thing, their followers is completely another. Religion should be a moral guide and a help for humans to live a good life in respect with the other. However followers of certain extreme forms of religion try to force that religion on everyone. It's not the fault of the sacred book or the God within, it's the Zealots fault that the religion is seen as wrong.
volcomkyle152, you can try all you want to, but you aren't getting rid of us. How can you not call what you posted spewing hate? Unbelievable! You are such a hypocrit!!
@volcomkyle152 ...and replace it with what? A selfish and foolish thought system where people claim omniscience? By the way, if you are omniscient, I would very much like to know what the cure to cancer is, how you explain the soul, passion, dreams, and love, among other things. I am sorry, but to shut out something that offers hope, forgiveness, love, joy and peace is difficult for me to want to keep away from the next generation.
Are you a particle physicist? I already did look up the facts. Even if you believe in the big bang, the vast, vast majority of people in the field of science believe in some kind of God.
no i am not, matter hasn't always been there and there on the cusp of adding more evidence explaining how it got here (the higgs-boson, and the LHC at CERN look it up). you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG. only 7% of scientists believe in some kind of god. I dont know where you get your info but its false
Even when Science gives us its best "guess* as to where the matter came from, the same questions will be there. Where did the material come from that created the matter and it can go on and on.
No, your not. Godless infidels have been a complete disaster every single time they have been in power. Ever ready about the French Revolution? Have you paid respects to your buddies Stalin? Mao? Pol Pott?
Blaming religion for all the wrongs you listed is like blaming guns for killing people. It completely misses the real root causes of the wrong: human greed and the desire for power.
Your point also refuses to acknowledge the vast good that has been given to us by religion.
ah yes, let's listen to bullshit from southernavenger. he comes from that section of the country where hate, bigotry, ignorance & intollerance have run rampant throughout american history.
now after they've been forced to live by the constitution, if not in spirit, but in fact, they, like this ignorant avenger thinks he & his ilk are now the moral compass of america. what a fucking laugh!
avenger, keep your hate & intollerance down there, leave equality & american spirit to real americans!
This county was NOT founded on faith. It was founded on secular beliefs. In the treaty of Tripoli, written under George Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797 said "...the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion...." you people are retards for believing in the bible
Article 11, U.S. treaty with Tripoli. 1796 Treaty unanimously approved by the senate. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; ...etc..."
Exactly why should anyone care about what some old dusty treaty says? I'm sure you creamed your pants with excitement when you found this treaty but it does nothing to prove the great Southern Avenger wrong.
For example, Thomas Jefferson with Madison worked on a bill in Virginia which was designed to eliminate marriages "contrary to biblical law."
No, it doesn't. Did you listen to the video? One sect of Christianity is not allowed to be established under the Constitution, but many state constitutions did establish various Christian sects under state law.
George Washington described religion and morality as the pillars of our society. He started the swearing in of Presidents on the Bible. Congress prayed and issued national days of thanks giving from day one. These, along with a many of other examples, prove the SouthernAvenger right.
Wrong. one RELIGION is not allowed to be established as a state RELIGION. Nowhere does it say anything about Christian sects.
The only thing proven is that most white Americans were Christians. Now, many are not Christian in America. The brilliance of the founding fathers is that they allowed for this possibility. If they had wanted America to be a Christian nation they easily could have done so. The fact that they did not proves it is not and was not intended to be.
Exactly what other religions do you think the founding fathers were worried about? They already had dealt with the church of England and several state constitutions did establish certain sects above others. Clearly, the only religion that could have established a national religion in the late 1700's were Christian sects.
However, your point is well taken. The Establishment Clause also protects us against another other religion that would try to Establish a national religion.
They were aware of other religions in the world. However, this is not the point. The point is that some people in America are now trying to claim that there is and was a national religion by inference and that religion is Christianity. this is a bad trend, especially if you are Christian because in the future perhaps the dominant religion will not be Christianity and then any group can say...what ever the popular religion is is the state religion. Keep it a private matter, as intended.
This county was NOT founded on faith. It was founded on secular beliefs. In the treaty of Tripoli, written under George Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797 said "...the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion...." you people are retards for believing in the bible and you are completely delusional
No one said it was founded on "faith." However, America's Christian heritage can't be ignored by anyone who has spent two seconds going over American history.
You'll have to do better then taking one part of a treaty out of context. The vast volumes of historical evidence that prove America's Christian heritage can't be denied.
State Constitutions established state religions in early America. The Congress called 4 national days of thanksgiving. No Christian heritage?!?! Do your homework.
the treaty wasnt out of context, andI didn't say there was no christian heritage, I just said you saying this country was founded on those beliefs is incorrect. But one day as we get smarter as a society, we will realize that christianity in this country is as harmful and stupid as slavery was, and yes they are essentially the same, and one day christianity will be abolished
Yes, you did take the treaty out of context. This video was talking about America's Christian Heritage. So you post the treaty of tripoli to refute that?
No one said our government established the Christian religion at the national level. That was left up to the states who did establish religions.
It was the Christian West that lead the fight against slavery. Your religious values or lack of them is far more harmful than any religious sect will ever be or has been.
absolutely wrong about the slavery thing, both the slaves and slave owners were "christians, and secondly almost everything religions and churches do is detrimental. Many wars and thousands of conflicts have been caused by religions retarded ideals. RELIGION HAS SINGLE HANDEDLY BEEN THE MOST PREVENTABLE CAUSE OF DEATH and its all because these idiots dont agree on which sky fairy to worship!
"godless infidel" hmm im not really offended because im the one that is actually on the correct side of the debate. continue trying to prove the malevolent, infanticidal, genocidal, racist, ethnic cleansing, sky fairy that you call god. And stop implying that i am an idiot, you believe in a magic tree, a talking snake, and a 750 year old man building a boat to hold billions of species . all really logical.
I listened to this entire diatribe but replaced the idea christian with the idea slavery (which regardless of how you try to spin it is endorsed (and regulated) by the christian bible) and your argument made the same amount of sense: none.
The fundietards are not the brightest bulbs on the tree, too dim witted to realize that the erosion of the separation of church & state is the greatest threat to their own religious freedom.
No, liberal supreme court justices and state judges are the greatest threat to our liberties. No fundie is tearing down the ten commandments from schools and courtrooms. Liberal judges do.
Unlike you, my liberty isn't in danger by the prayer of someone who isn't part of the particular religious sect I believe in.
"If you call this funny, I'm sure Roy Moore will take it every time. "
He has won the admiration of a lot of slack jawed yokels-and any former judge who can't at least triple his judicial salary in private practice is doing something wrong. One thing Roy Moore will NEVER have again, however, is the respect and esteem of his professional colleagues. That, in and of itself, is a precious commodity-and the main reason many law professors and judges are reluctant to enter better paying endeavors.
Oh no, Roy Moore is worried that slack jawed yokels like you and spineless cowards in the legal profession will not respect him! Roy Moore has plenty of respect from people in the field of law, including me. The ones who deserve no respect are the lawyers and judges who just blindly follow Supreme Court rulings, even rulings that have no basis in the Constitution.
Read up on what Jefferson wrote about blindly letting the Supreme Court be the final judge on what is constitutional or not.
Roy Moore is more worried about standing up for what is right than earning respect and esteem. This precious commodity is why Moore is such a gem to society. Here, you have an outstanding legal mind exposing the lies of the lazy liberal left in the courtroom. Morally bankrupt liberals like BenAliGtor don't like that. But hey, keep making yourself feel better by telling everyone how miserable or rough Moor has it in life. He doesn't and he'll be making your life miserable for a long time.
We now know more than ever. Science has given us a road map to the future. It ain't perfect but it's what we got.Now you have the religious trying to push ID in the name of their faith. What the fuck does the ten commandments have to do with our modern laws? Graven Idols? Having no other god before you? Absurd. An idiot like Huckabee saying he would change the constitution to be more in line with god's word should alarm all of you...
america never was and never will be a christian country all this is bull god bless every country just mean some people that run there country is fuck up there are no good they take all money they fattent there poket them and there friends and the country look like shit god bless america my home sweet home god bless america my home sweet homeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Bu the founding fathers were not 100% christian. Thomas Jefferson, for instance, did not believe in Jesus, he was a deist. Ben Franklin seems to have been an atheist (we can't ask him so no one knows for sure) while many were like Washington; Christians, but not devout, church going, bible thumpers like many people lie to us about. Washington rarely attended church, and many of the founders would show up on Christmas and Easter if at all.
Actually, according to the history books, during the 'great awakening' ben franklin became a full blown christian after attending a church service one night. He stayed a christian all his life. That comes from documents, journals, and people all around at the time. So we know he was not an atheist.
I am an unbeliever that admits this truth. Christianity is the uniting factor for the majority of people in this country. Christianity really is an individual choice at the end of the day, no matter how many edifices there are that show its historicity.
Me, too. Living in a largely Christian culture does not make one a Christian "by default," and some of America's greatest thinkers were not Christians (Franklin, Jefferson, Lincoln, Edison). Just the same, dismissing America's Christian heritage because one doesn't personally believe is ridiculous, just as SA points out.
In some ways I agree with what he says because understanding Christianity is important to our culture. But that doesn't mean we should take this silly superstition as anything more than that.
Furthermore, I don't believe you are a Christian by birth any more than a conservative or liberal by birth. I don't consider myself Christian in any sense of the word, and I'm still an American.
i agree one is raised christian but the keys of heaven or to become a christian include these: repentence; confession & belief in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection; as well as baptism in water for the remission of sins and to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Your assertions about the modern place of religion in school and the public square are simplistic and poorly informed. First amendment law is complicated, but I am sure nuance does not make for a good screed.
i want christianity in my private and public life.but i don't want religion of any kind involved my politics.and i would also want the state to treat all of the religions in the same way.if you can't do it for all of them then don't do it for any of them.
Stop funding schools with tax dollars, and you wont have to consider my views as an atheist, and we wont have to have arguments about your right to worship in school. As long as I don't have to foot the bill, I don't care what you do.
the first amendment(the most violated amendment) is the one that gives us separation of church and state means that the government will not even recognize religions as being there, therefore prayers in school are wrong by definition of the constitution.
I love when you put Thomas Jeffersonian with Christianity, when in reality he was disgusted with it. Also when the blocks under the statue of liberty were being taken out "under god" was on one of them, however that wasn't on our money until after the statue was put up. And good try trying to demonize atheists with that Stalin picture.
I cannot make geniuses out of idiots, but hopefully some with the ability to open their minds will start seeing another side to their very limited position.
Again, I have been to the marches. All I see is people asking for a path. I see employers looking for workers and employees looking for jobs. Lets fix the system so wages stay high and America can continue to have a strong economy. Job growth in California has been based around real estate mostly in "fee" areas and brokers. That is a false economy. The Latino workers are producers of labor which is true wealth generation not the false "market" of smoke and mirror inflated growth.
The face of the Republican Party and right wing is the face of a losing party, full of hatred toward immigrants, lust for large government subsidies and payola, and the demand that any Republican seeking any elected office acknowledge that he's little more than Jesus Christ's running mate. How pitiful.
Hatred towards immigrants? We are all descendants of immigrants however is is really that hard to ask someone to please come to the country legally(keyword here)?
That is exactly the debate. Legally? Are the laws, both international and nationally serving the needs of the country and allowing refugees access to jobs that go begging. Watch the price of lettuce if this reform is not instituted. How are you at pickin' and growin'? Hatred towards immigrants is within the context of the discussion, so don't play ignorant. That is of course if you are not just pretending ignorance.
Crossing the border illegally is a crime. Not to mention many do not want to assimilate into society,this can be a problem when one puts loyalty to their old country over loyalty to their new country. Being proud of where one comes from is fine and dandy however if it effects your ability to assimilate then it becomes a problem.
People constantly throw out these generalizations. I agree, deal with the criminals as they need to be dealt with, but don't lump all people into one group, that smacks of communism. All the Latinos I know are working hard, attending college and are assimilating very well, so you saying the opposite doesn't ring true for me.
Believe me when I say that i'm not trying lump all Latinos together. Good for those who are working hard,going to college and assimilating into society. I don't think you have been asleep the past two years so just look at some of the demonstrations that have occured. Many many people holding signs saying they refuse to assimilate, demanding amnesty and so on.
The argument I hear from your side constantly talks about being illegal entry. That point aside what are the issues? Are you just about law and order? Are you willing to look at international laws and when those are broken and how those broken laws affect the lives of refugees. If it is about laws then why don't you just join a police ride along program?
Man should work for God, not God working for man. All religions are just somebody's best guess, and not very good ones at that. God doesn't want you to have a bureaucracy between you and He. Fire the Village Shamans!
You were just spouting the party line here. Few Americans have ever really seriously believed the Christian moral code especially if it hampered economic gain. John Brown refused to be blessed by a Sounthern minister before he was executed- a slaveholding christian was an oxymoron. The point was simple-you can not claim to hold a religion to be dear while avidly undermining all its precepts for world gainly. American christianity has been no more than a moral affectation.
HAHAHA evilbible . com is such a load of shit. It's typical idiots like you, Ruffruff2006, that except the atheist crap constantly spewed by morons like "evilbible" . com. Look into the facts before you except what you read.
Thank whomever invented evolution...God or Satan. Evolution is what has kept us alive. I'm warning those that can't accept that knowledge that their gene pool will probably end soon due to their lack of adaption.
I seriously doubt any of you anti-Christian idiots have read the Bible. I'm familiar with your tactics, all you do is get your pseudofacts from corn ball moronic sites like "evilbible".
I do believe many Christians have their hearts in the right place and I see no reason believers and non believers can't get along. Many Christians are great people. I just think they have a blind spot.
Having said that though, I find the whole idea of religion to be one of superstition and faith at the expense of logic, evidence, critical thinking, reason, and open mindedness.
And then there's the movie Zeitgeist which settled it for me.
Very good argument southern avenger. You make a very strong point that you cant discard christianity not being part of american culture just because some of other American people dont believe in it. it doesnt stop the fact thats its been historical and the majority still warship christianity
just because a certain element is apart of one's coulture doesn't make it a good thing nor does it mean that person should respect that. what southernavenger is leaving out in his romanticized depiction of american christianity is that it's been deeply rooted in hypocrisy and injustice-not a positive cultural element. the so-called christians throughout american history have never followed the example of jesus nor have they obeyed the basic commandment which is to love everyone as yourself.
Very good and very well put SA. However, I cannot see something like that happening, or at least it is not here where I live. Could you plase post a response or an e-mail to me by telling me where this is happening?
Christianity might be a native religion to the Constitution, but America is a name for a continent as well as a nation and the native religion of this continent is Native American. Not only did they not kill us all, many of us were never militarily vanquished and are SOVEREIGN NATIONS WITHIN THIS NATION. Don't forget that.
So long as other, non-christina religions are respectuflly practiced in the US, then yes, Chrisitan heritage should not be denyed by the American people. Kudos, southern avenger. aethist or even imigrant, it is a part of American's history.
piz am not a ass hole but i have to put up with a lot of Christian`s my name is josh they want to make me Christian and i t get`s me pissed i do think there is a god but i do not kow his her o its name and cuz i do not i get called the devil the son of the devil and evil and more i wat think may be good in your mine but its not real
I damn your inpure flesh to hell, maggots, long live the Holy Order of the Archevangelion. When the wheels of fate come full circle only the enlightened will reach Neo-Jerusalem.
Again spot on SA as usual. What bigots like wntoply6 don't understand is we are not calling for a Christian United States but to be allowed to worship not just behind closed doors...like the original reason a lot of our ancestors came to the New World.
you people can worship other than behind close doors, but pushing your crap on others in public was your downfall. if you weren't so aggressive in trying to convert others to your crazy cult, in which you OFFENDED people, it might be a differnt story. catholics don't offend as you southern baptist do, they keep their religion to themselves...take a lesson from them jerks.
So are you saying that if someone is offended by you you should not be allowed to do whatever it is that someone is offended by. Im offended by open sexuality and affection in public (such as kissing your gf or bf while walking down the street)... does that mean we should pass laws to keep public displays of affection out of public society? No... Why? because just because I'm offended doesn't mean ANYTHING.(Btw... my gf is Buddhist and my last gf was Muslim)
all i had to see was houston, houstonkid, and i realized you have nothing of importance to say. one of your own in recent years has done enough damage to this country what with his christian crap, that i didn't bother to read your diatribe, i just responded to the fact it came from an ignorant texan.
You refused to read my comment simply due to the fact that Im from Texas and therefore I am ignorant. That logic makes you ignorant yourself. Your a total hypocrite.
If you had the decency to actually learn something about me before making a bumass out of yourself you would have found Im a Libertarian, have you ever known anybody to even call a Libertarian ignorant? Thats like calling a philanthropist inhumane or heartless.
haha... you still refuse to read what I have to say hu... what if I was on your side? How would you know your not just being an ignorant dumbass (actually you already are)
What closed doors? Honestly what is it that stops anyone from being a muslim, pagan, christian, wiccan, buddist etc. honest nonhostile question what is that you, generally speaking, feel so restricted by?
Ender have you been out of the media loop? Its alright for the media to slam Jesus Christ and Christians repeatedly hence the creation of the term "Christian Right" but one can not make fun of Muslims say like the Mohamed Cartoon infact they pull said cartoons and made an apology. All I want is equal treatment not to be constantly bashed all I think as Christians we ask for is respect nothing more nothing less.
Yes I am completely and totally out of the media loop I stopped watching television years ago most of my news is from online and newspapers and we all know the apology to the muslim world had nothing to do with respect, fear is a great motivator. No one respects fanatics christian or Muslim I'm afraid that is something all religions are going to have to deal with.
Nobody is asking for respect for Fanatics. I don't remember saying that I wanted support of the KKK a fanatic Christian group. The thing is Christians are continually slammed everywhere not fanatical Christians but everyday don't hurt anybody Christians.
Sorry Jack, I disagree. This nation is a land of all faiths. Our government shouldn't allow religious displays in public areas, that are funded by tax payer money, but if someone wants to bring a bible or pray in such areas, I see no problem with it. Let people have their faith, but don't let government recognize any certain religion.
xtremejohnny69 8 months ago
The entire argument of the piece is baloney. The fact of a predominantly christian cultural past can in no way inform any prescribed norm of christian religious supremacy present.
therealaj123 9 months ago
1:56 Did you just call Christopher Hitchens "dimly", you dimwit?
therealaj123 9 months ago
religion should be kept out of politics and the education system. this causes indoctrination and the end of freedom as we know it
Dann123100 1 year ago
I disagree that being an American makes one a Christ follower by default, I also disagree that going to church makes one a Christ Follower by default, People become a Christ follower by confessing Him, Loving God, and Loving others (enemies included).
MrAbolitionist 1 year ago
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"If you are an american you are Christian by default if not in practice."
Go fuck yourself.
newdimensionfilms 1 year ago
The issue with Christianity is not denying its influence on the culture of the west, for better or worse,which no atheist that I know of denies. The issue is with the religion's "truth" claims, which too many people think should be treated as nothing less than self evident, which leads to the promotion of self-destructive ignorance and superstition.
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
Christian by default. BUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLSHHHHHHHHHITTTTTT.
Everyone is born with no religion, everyone is born atheist, with no religious ties. Only when they're indoctrinated into the Christian lifestyle they are Christian.
The founding fathers were hypocrites and murderers and thieves, and just because they wrote the constitution years ago doesn't mean we need to follow it now.
zaggers77 1 year ago
@zaggers77 "Just because they wrote the constitution years ago doesn't mean we have to follow it now." *ahem* YES IT FUCKING DOES!!!!! The constitution is the foundation of our country and secures our rights as American citizens you twit!!! You want to live in an atheist communist utopia? Go get deported to North Korea you thick fuck!
scripturesamurai 1 year ago
So do you concede that the founding fathers were murderers and theives. George Washington has slaves, knew slavery was wrong but kep them till he died. And Jefferson was just a plain racist.
What a foolish assumption, atheist communist utopia. Any ways loook how other countries turn out who have religion in thier constitution. Also we are more moral than our forefathers and should be able to make changes to the constitution that our forefathers commonly did and suggested doing.
zaggers77 1 year ago
Wow SA, you've changed over the years. I can't believe i'm hearing you say something like this. I'm sure you've heard of the Treaty of Tripoli by now, but as I can see you certainly haven't heard of it three years ago.
sniper6081 1 year ago
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." - Thomas Paine
aceflashheart 2 years ago
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Worth watching, Youtube video: America's Heritage is not Christian: TRUE or FALSE
Resurrect the historical TRUTH! Stand UP, WE THE PEOPLE!
TheRationalthinker 2 years ago
Religion is bullshit. I understand some of us were brought up on it but that dosent stop it from being complete guff.
StonerKid655321 2 years ago
We're all culturally Christian. I get the point, but the argument has no meat because you could say the same thing about corporate farming or militarism or slavery. Because we grew up with it doesn't mean it has any "rightful" place in our society. It simply has the place it has.
granulorhoek 2 years ago
Ooops. I gave the wrong name of the video. My bad. It is: America's Heritage is NOT Christian: True or False?
Please watch it countryboy1949. I am pretty sure you'll like it. : )
TheRationalthinker 2 years ago
See my video: AMERICA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION: TRUE OR FALSE?
TheRationalthinker 2 years ago
False
countryboy1949 2 years ago
if i was younger i would gladly move to southern america. i am english and very very very proud to be such . i feel the south has the same pride. time to have a return to pride in country and your own kind.
bigrider2806 2 years ago 2
"Even in our ignorance, Christ remains with us."
That's awesome.
Ishpeck 2 years ago
i dont know about you guys but god has sure been god to me.. real good
jeremyeells6893 2 years ago
@jeremyeells6893 Sure it was God or the random circumstance? If you'll excuse him, he has some starving kids in Uganda to attend to now.
AtheistAltar 1 year ago
Anyone can believe what they want to believe, but keep it in your homes and churches, not in our schools. The only reason Christianity (catholiscsm) has had an impact on the world is that it was spread buy the tip of a sword. It is because of this Protestents emerged, and so did other types of congregations. Oh, and the founding fathers were deists. This is not a rail against SA, I'm just stating my opinion.
InvaderAiden 2 years ago
@InvaderAiden Yes, some of them were diests, but they were all members of a Christian Church. Hmm... Liberals really crack me up with their comments.
rtgoodson 1 year ago
@rtgoodson But they were not Christians. Christianity tells of a god that is active in human affairs. Deists reject that notion.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@mongoose704 Hmm...I could have sworn that Jefferson, like the majority of the Founding Fathers, was a member of the Church of England. Yes, deists reject the notion of a God involving himself in everyday affairs, but, then again, Mormons reject a significant portion of traditional Christianity. The same can be said of the Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox Christians, et cetera, but they all consider themselves to be Christian. I'm an agnostic, unitarian, diest, and baptist. Hmm...
rtgoodson 1 year ago
@rtgoodson A lot of words and not one even addresses my point.
Have you no answer?
mongoose704 1 year ago
@mongoose704 Hmm...Did you even read my post? I believe I answered your response.
rtgoodson 1 year ago
@rtgoodson Only questions need answers and I did not ask you a question I made a point, one you haven't refuted or even addressed with anything relevant other than
well so and so calls themselves Christians and Thomas Jefferson once belonged to a church.
mongoose704 1 year ago
So what you are saying is that Christianity is a tradition, much the same as Santa Clause. Fair enough.
adyc5 2 years ago
johnhenrik 2 years ago
"johnenrik" - Answer these questions:
Who created "space" (Not outer space)?
Who created the first mineral?
Who created the first gaseous matter?
Who created the first movement?
Now I can agree that mankind can screw up every religion created. But - something created the things I ask about above. And, who are you to argue with that?
Christianity (good & bad) created the Democratic Republic we live in & see this youtube educational video playlist.
_play_list?p=E23AE808BF7B73A5
CaJeffO 2 years ago
Sorry CaJeffO - I can only ask the unanswerable questions. Such as, why is there something rather than nothing? And, if something created all that there is, who created that something that had the ability to create? These questions are circular & will completely tear your mind apart if you keep on trying to find the answers.
johnhenrik 2 years ago
@CaJeffO none of these were "created"
maximuslaurius 1 year ago
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"johnenrik" - Answer these questions:
Who created "space" (Not outer space)?
Who created the first mineral?
Who created the first gaseous matter?
Who created the first movement?
Now I can agree that mankind can screw up every religion created. But - something created the things I ask about above. And, who are you to argue with that?
Christianity (good & bad) created the Democratic Republic we live in & see this youtube educational video playlist.
_play_list?p=E23AE808BF7B73A5
CaJeffO 2 years ago
What Christian heritage?
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies."-President Jefferson
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."-President Madison
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."-President John Adams
"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."-President Lincoln
HolyHellPreacher 3 years ago 2
@HolyHellPreacher
what is the source of your quotes?
sdsunandfun 1 year ago
@HolyHellPreacher
The Christian heritage present in the fact that America has always been a majority Christian nation since 1776? That all our presidents have been Christians? The vast majority of all our leaders? That the practices in American Christian faith have shaped the very milestones by which we live our lives and the morals by which we govern ourselves? Historical reality trumps dubious quotes pal.
venomousspiderwookie 10 months ago
You do relize that most of the founders were not Christians right? in fact, most of them though it was evil.
spawk1993 3 years ago 2
@spawk1993 haha-you don't even know what you are talking about and give no grounds for your claim.
PepperdineJon 1 year ago
"Christian by default," as in "are you a Protestant atheist or a Catholic atheist?" (it's an old joke). I'm sorry but THAT'S generally not what or how the "Christian Heritage" movement defines what it means to be a "Christian."
Most orthodox Christians don't believe generic or nominal Christianity is "real" Christianity.
JonWRowe 3 years ago
wrong !!!!! this is the shit you need to keep out of school....teach religion in church and educate in school..Say your prayer before you leave the house..Everyone will be happy that way,,,And no kid will feel left out..
no1saphead 3 years ago
jerry fallwell was an idiot, the fact that he married religion and politics has put this country back several spaces . In the words of christopher hitchens on jerry fallwell, "the finding of his body in his obscure office was of no significance, and Its a pity that there isnt a hell for him to go to"
volcomkyle152 3 years ago
I agree that praying in schools should not be banned. If a was a christian, or religious for that matter, I would have want to pray as I like. But the 10 commandments in court, those things have as much to do with justice as mud with washing machines.
For the other points I also agree, no matter if we like it or not, christianity is part of our culture and we can not escape from that.
SA - you are great!
As for the idiot with the creationist nonsense below - GET AN EDUCATION YOU MORON!!!
DaniOcean 3 years ago
I love how you godless idiots lecture people about the need to get an education and then broadcast your ignorance without shame.
I can assure you son, my educational experience is vastly superior to yours. How is the IT work going for you buddy? Seriously, do you even have a degree from a university?
Maybe if you would *actually* get an education, you wouldn't be posting your ignorant comments about American politics as well as your completely ignorant comments on "creationist" views.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
Well if you had any type of education, you might know that throwing the word "godless" around is rather ignorant, don't you think?
jazzfan5000 3 years ago
Um...would you attend a freethought meeting and talk openly with a group of atheists about your thoughts and feelings?
mathgeek37 3 years ago
Sure I would!
jazzfan5000 3 years ago
I was referring to Paleo...
mathgeek37 3 years ago
Couple of things I disagree with...
1) I haven't been slammed for talking religion with my students.
2) One of my fellow teachers will pray over his meal and nobody says anything to him about it.
3) Even as an admitted nonbeliever, I wouldn't oppose a copy of the Sermon on the Mount being placed in every school over the ten commandments. I think it would inspire more respect for Christianity than the Decalogue ever could.
If those sound blasphemous, then it's open season on me.
mathgeek37 3 years ago
I really believe that any respect for Christianity is respect for years of enslavement, hubris, genocide and tyranny! The bible was nothing more/nothing less than a declaration of war against the masses. It has been proven again and again. Look at Jonestown, look at Charles Manson, look at the Crusades, the Dark Ages, the Inquisition, the civil instability between catholics and protestants in Ireland. The list goes on pal!
jazzfan5000 3 years ago
I don't disagree with you. At the same time, taking such a stance with Christians will earn you their wrath and conceit. Such an attitude only cements in the Christian's mind that atheists and nonbelievers are batshit insane and they should be avoided at all costs.
mathgeek37 3 years ago
I am surrounded by Christians everyday! Most of them know how I feel. I know all of what I said as fact. I'm not just speaking from where the sun doesn't shine. You can clarify this information on the internet, at your local library and even more and more it is being talked about and reported in the mainstream media.
jazzfan5000 3 years ago
At the same time, they are going throw information (however misleading) about atheism back in our faces. Freethought may have been respected at one time, but after the Red Scare, Americans have really held on hard to their belief in God. I'm not saying don't do it, I am just saying expect them to do the same thing you are doing.
mathgeek37 3 years ago
jazzfan: I too am surrounded by these close minded, intolerant idiots all the time, and I openly insult their stupidity and lack of reasoning to their face, and they cant to anything about it. we freethinkers, atheist, and anti theist (me being the latter) need to make a noise so we can remove this toxic belief system from society
volcomkyle152 3 years ago
I say let people believe what they want to believe. Just don't push your belief on me because then I am not going to respect you or your beliefs. Don't expect me to respect Christianity either. I am not about to have any respect for a religion that has tortured people for centuries.
jazzfan5000 3 years ago
There's something I guess you should know, religion is one thing, their followers is completely another. Religion should be a moral guide and a help for humans to live a good life in respect with the other. However followers of certain extreme forms of religion try to force that religion on everyone. It's not the fault of the sacred book or the God within, it's the Zealots fault that the religion is seen as wrong.
Windwolf001 3 years ago
volcomkyle152, you can try all you want to, but you aren't getting rid of us. How can you not call what you posted spewing hate? Unbelievable! You are such a hypocrit!!
luddrummer123 3 years ago
@volcomkyle152 ...and replace it with what? A selfish and foolish thought system where people claim omniscience? By the way, if you are omniscient, I would very much like to know what the cure to cancer is, how you explain the soul, passion, dreams, and love, among other things. I am sorry, but to shut out something that offers hope, forgiveness, love, joy and peace is difficult for me to want to keep away from the next generation.
PepperdineJon 1 year ago
Yeah, believing we got here by the big bang theory is so much more rational.
We know that matter has just *always* been around. Energy has just *always* been around.
When it comes to matters regarding how we got here, you eventually will come to a conclusion that is not logical.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
not quite you need to check your facts. I know your not a particle physicist by your little explanation there. Look up the facts
volcomkyle152 3 years ago
Are you a particle physicist? I already did look up the facts. Even if you believe in the big bang, the vast, vast majority of people in the field of science believe in some kind of God.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
no i am not, matter hasn't always been there and there on the cusp of adding more evidence explaining how it got here (the higgs-boson, and the LHC at CERN look it up). you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG. only 7% of scientists believe in some kind of god. I dont know where you get your info but its false
volcomkyle152 3 years ago
Where did you get your seven percent figure from?
Even when Science gives us its best "guess* as to where the matter came from, the same questions will be there. Where did the material come from that created the matter and it can go on and on.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
Don't worry about it, I found the survey/study you were talking about.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
The seven percent figure is bogus. It only included members of the National Academy of Sciences.
Do a google search on Elaine Howard Ecklund. Her research was much better and more in depth.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
No, your not. Godless infidels have been a complete disaster every single time they have been in power. Ever ready about the French Revolution? Have you paid respects to your buddies Stalin? Mao? Pol Pott?
Blaming religion for all the wrongs you listed is like blaming guns for killing people. It completely misses the real root causes of the wrong: human greed and the desire for power.
Your point also refuses to acknowledge the vast good that has been given to us by religion.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
Vast good? hmm the crusades and slavery good things huh?
volcomkyle152 3 years ago
Yeah really! Right on!
jazzfan5000 3 years ago
ah yes, let's listen to bullshit from southernavenger. he comes from that section of the country where hate, bigotry, ignorance & intollerance have run rampant throughout american history.
now after they've been forced to live by the constitution, if not in spirit, but in fact, they, like this ignorant avenger thinks he & his ilk are now the moral compass of america. what a fucking laugh!
avenger, keep your hate & intollerance down there, leave equality & american spirit to real americans!
wntoply6 3 years ago
"Roy Moore has plenty of respect from people in the field of law, including me."
Thanks, wannabe. I needed a good laugh today!
BenAliGtor 3 years ago
Keep thinking that son, keep thinking that.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
This county was NOT founded on faith. It was founded on secular beliefs. In the treaty of Tripoli, written under George Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797 said "...the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion...." you people are retards for believing in the bible
volcomkyle152 3 years ago
Article 11, U.S. treaty with Tripoli. 1796 Treaty unanimously approved by the senate. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; ...etc..."
modestosplat 3 years ago
LOL,
Exactly why should anyone care about what some old dusty treaty says? I'm sure you creamed your pants with excitement when you found this treaty but it does nothing to prove the great Southern Avenger wrong.
For example, Thomas Jefferson with Madison worked on a bill in Virginia which was designed to eliminate marriages "contrary to biblical law."
PaleoConservative1 3 years ago
It refutes the false notion that America is a Christian nation and has been from it's inception.
The Constitution is an "old dusty" document but is still referred to .
The Bible is an "old dusty" book. So...what was your argument?? Why should anyone care?
America is not a Christian nation. England was and is and America freed itself from religious tyranny. Amen
modestosplat 3 years ago
No, it doesn't. Did you listen to the video? One sect of Christianity is not allowed to be established under the Constitution, but many state constitutions did establish various Christian sects under state law.
George Washington described religion and morality as the pillars of our society. He started the swearing in of Presidents on the Bible. Congress prayed and issued national days of thanks giving from day one. These, along with a many of other examples, prove the SouthernAvenger right.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
Wrong. one RELIGION is not allowed to be established as a state RELIGION. Nowhere does it say anything about Christian sects.
The only thing proven is that most white Americans were Christians. Now, many are not Christian in America. The brilliance of the founding fathers is that they allowed for this possibility. If they had wanted America to be a Christian nation they easily could have done so. The fact that they did not proves it is not and was not intended to be.
modestosplat 3 years ago
Exactly what other religions do you think the founding fathers were worried about? They already had dealt with the church of England and several state constitutions did establish certain sects above others. Clearly, the only religion that could have established a national religion in the late 1700's were Christian sects.
However, your point is well taken. The Establishment Clause also protects us against another other religion that would try to Establish a national religion.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
They were aware of other religions in the world. However, this is not the point. The point is that some people in America are now trying to claim that there is and was a national religion by inference and that religion is Christianity. this is a bad trend, especially if you are Christian because in the future perhaps the dominant religion will not be Christianity and then any group can say...what ever the popular religion is is the state religion. Keep it a private matter, as intended.
modestosplat 3 years ago
heres a treaty for you!
This county was NOT founded on faith. It was founded on secular beliefs. In the treaty of Tripoli, written under George Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797 said "...the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion...." you people are retards for believing in the bible and you are completely delusional
volcomkyle152 3 years ago
No one said it was founded on "faith." However, America's Christian heritage can't be ignored by anyone who has spent two seconds going over American history.
You'll have to do better then taking one part of a treaty out of context. The vast volumes of historical evidence that prove America's Christian heritage can't be denied.
State Constitutions established state religions in early America. The Congress called 4 national days of thanksgiving. No Christian heritage?!?! Do your homework.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
the treaty wasnt out of context, andI didn't say there was no christian heritage, I just said you saying this country was founded on those beliefs is incorrect. But one day as we get smarter as a society, we will realize that christianity in this country is as harmful and stupid as slavery was, and yes they are essentially the same, and one day christianity will be abolished
volcomkyle152 3 years ago
Your only 20. There is hope for you yet. Another Godless infidel. Should have known.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
Yes, you did take the treaty out of context. This video was talking about America's Christian Heritage. So you post the treaty of tripoli to refute that?
No one said our government established the Christian religion at the national level. That was left up to the states who did establish religions.
It was the Christian West that lead the fight against slavery. Your religious values or lack of them is far more harmful than any religious sect will ever be or has been.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
absolutely wrong about the slavery thing, both the slaves and slave owners were "christians, and secondly almost everything religions and churches do is detrimental. Many wars and thousands of conflicts have been caused by religions retarded ideals. RELIGION HAS SINGLE HANDEDLY BEEN THE MOST PREVENTABLE CAUSE OF DEATH and its all because these idiots dont agree on which sky fairy to worship!
volcomkyle152 3 years ago
"godless infidel" hmm im not really offended because im the one that is actually on the correct side of the debate. continue trying to prove the malevolent, infanticidal, genocidal, racist, ethnic cleansing, sky fairy that you call god. And stop implying that i am an idiot, you believe in a magic tree, a talking snake, and a 750 year old man building a boat to hold billions of species . all really logical.
volcomkyle152 3 years ago
I listened to this entire diatribe but replaced the idea christian with the idea slavery (which regardless of how you try to spin it is endorsed (and regulated) by the christian bible) and your argument made the same amount of sense: none.
kaksonen 3 years ago
The fundietards are not the brightest bulbs on the tree, too dim witted to realize that the erosion of the separation of church & state is the greatest threat to their own religious freedom.
BenAliGtor 3 years ago
LOL,
No, liberal supreme court justices and state judges are the greatest threat to our liberties. No fundie is tearing down the ten commandments from schools and courtrooms. Liberal judges do.
Unlike you, my liberty isn't in danger by the prayer of someone who isn't part of the particular religious sect I believe in.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
"No fundie is tearing down the ten commandments from schools and courtrooms. Liberal judges do. "
Funny what happened to Roy Moore in Alabama, wasn't it? Got his sorry ass thrown off the Alabama Supreme Court--and might even be disbarred! HAA-haa!!
BenAliGtor 3 years ago
Given Roy Moore is now a hero among conservatives for standing up to the despot of an oligarchy, I'm sure he is losing sleep over losing his job.
I believe he is also making more money today then he did as a judge.
If you call this funny, I'm sure Roy Moore will take it every time.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
"If you call this funny, I'm sure Roy Moore will take it every time. "
He has won the admiration of a lot of slack jawed yokels-and any former judge who can't at least triple his judicial salary in private practice is doing something wrong. One thing Roy Moore will NEVER have again, however, is the respect and esteem of his professional colleagues. That, in and of itself, is a precious commodity-and the main reason many law professors and judges are reluctant to enter better paying endeavors.
BenAliGtor 3 years ago
Oh no, Roy Moore is worried that slack jawed yokels like you and spineless cowards in the legal profession will not respect him! Roy Moore has plenty of respect from people in the field of law, including me. The ones who deserve no respect are the lawyers and judges who just blindly follow Supreme Court rulings, even rulings that have no basis in the Constitution.
Read up on what Jefferson wrote about blindly letting the Supreme Court be the final judge on what is constitutional or not.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
Roy Moore is more worried about standing up for what is right than earning respect and esteem. This precious commodity is why Moore is such a gem to society. Here, you have an outstanding legal mind exposing the lies of the lazy liberal left in the courtroom. Morally bankrupt liberals like BenAliGtor don't like that. But hey, keep making yourself feel better by telling everyone how miserable or rough Moor has it in life. He doesn't and he'll be making your life miserable for a long time.
ThePaleoConservative 3 years ago
We now know more than ever. Science has given us a road map to the future. It ain't perfect but it's what we got.Now you have the religious trying to push ID in the name of their faith. What the fuck does the ten commandments have to do with our modern laws? Graven Idols? Having no other god before you? Absurd. An idiot like Huckabee saying he would change the constitution to be more in line with god's word should alarm all of you...
tattypatty 3 years ago
america never was and never will be a christian country all this is bull god bless every country just mean some people that run there country is fuck up there are no good they take all money they fattent there poket them and there friends and the country look like shit god bless america my home sweet home god bless america my home sweet homeeeeeeeeeeeeee
earlsutton 3 years ago
Bu the founding fathers were not 100% christian. Thomas Jefferson, for instance, did not believe in Jesus, he was a deist. Ben Franklin seems to have been an atheist (we can't ask him so no one knows for sure) while many were like Washington; Christians, but not devout, church going, bible thumpers like many people lie to us about. Washington rarely attended church, and many of the founders would show up on Christmas and Easter if at all.
Odyssey54 3 years ago
Actually, according to the history books, during the 'great awakening' ben franklin became a full blown christian after attending a church service one night. He stayed a christian all his life. That comes from documents, journals, and people all around at the time. So we know he was not an atheist.
job1201204 3 years ago
Deist. Not a Christian.
amartin7889 3 years ago
Deist. Not a Christian.
Better do your homework.
castletriglav 3 years ago
When you see how a lot of theocracies operate, you should be grateful for that separation between church and state.
Also, no-one should be forced to pray at school or in government buildings.
RebelVoDKa 3 years ago
I am an unbeliever that admits this truth. Christianity is the uniting factor for the majority of people in this country. Christianity really is an individual choice at the end of the day, no matter how many edifices there are that show its historicity.
Filtering can be problematic.
opinionhead444 3 years ago 2
Well said
Seriousdudes 3 years ago
Disagree with the "Christian by default" part here.
Freshmanwave 4 years ago
Me, too. Living in a largely Christian culture does not make one a Christian "by default," and some of America's greatest thinkers were not Christians (Franklin, Jefferson, Lincoln, Edison). Just the same, dismissing America's Christian heritage because one doesn't personally believe is ridiculous, just as SA points out.
theblob2007 3 years ago
Thomas Jefferson was an atheist. Don't agree with you on this.
NecroGrimm 4 years ago
Diest actually but yea he wasnt chrsitian
ZeroCoolCirca1982 4 years ago
In some ways I agree with what he says because understanding Christianity is important to our culture. But that doesn't mean we should take this silly superstition as anything more than that.
Furthermore, I don't believe you are a Christian by birth any more than a conservative or liberal by birth. I don't consider myself Christian in any sense of the word, and I'm still an American.
feedbackdude 4 years ago
i agree one is raised christian but the keys of heaven or to become a christian include these: repentence; confession & belief in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection; as well as baptism in water for the remission of sins and to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
willyrobinson 4 years ago
Your assertions about the modern place of religion in school and the public square are simplistic and poorly informed. First amendment law is complicated, but I am sure nuance does not make for a good screed.
monitajb 4 years ago
i want christianity in my private and public life.but i don't want religion of any kind involved my politics.and i would also want the state to treat all of the religions in the same way.if you can't do it for all of them then don't do it for any of them.
HELLFIRE8282 4 years ago
We all carry this cross, whether we know it or not. God Speed America.
hillbillybeachboy 4 years ago
Stop funding schools with tax dollars, and you wont have to consider my views as an atheist, and we wont have to have arguments about your right to worship in school. As long as I don't have to foot the bill, I don't care what you do.
umilmi81 4 years ago
the first amendment(the most violated amendment) is the one that gives us separation of church and state means that the government will not even recognize religions as being there, therefore prayers in school are wrong by definition of the constitution.
Measapon 4 years ago
I love when you put Thomas Jeffersonian with Christianity, when in reality he was disgusted with it. Also when the blocks under the statue of liberty were being taken out "under god" was on one of them, however that wasn't on our money until after the statue was put up. And good try trying to demonize atheists with that Stalin picture.
Measapon 4 years ago
In God We Trust was first put on money during the Civil War, the Statue of Liberty came later
4rdsuks 4 years ago
my mistake
Measapon 4 years ago
Excellant argument. But I fear not many will listen to you before saying your wrong.
pytko3 4 years ago
I cannot make geniuses out of idiots, but hopefully some with the ability to open their minds will start seeing another side to their very limited position.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Again, I have been to the marches. All I see is people asking for a path. I see employers looking for workers and employees looking for jobs. Lets fix the system so wages stay high and America can continue to have a strong economy. Job growth in California has been based around real estate mostly in "fee" areas and brokers. That is a false economy. The Latino workers are producers of labor which is true wealth generation not the false "market" of smoke and mirror inflated growth.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
For a short lesson about Christianity go to:
zeitgeistmovie(dot)com
Watch the entire thing, it is worth the time investment.
Just because people thought the world was flat doesn't mean it was so. A little education goes a long way.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
The face of the Republican Party and right wing is the face of a losing party, full of hatred toward immigrants, lust for large government subsidies and payola, and the demand that any Republican seeking any elected office acknowledge that he's little more than Jesus Christ's running mate. How pitiful.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Hatred towards immigrants? We are all descendants of immigrants however is is really that hard to ask someone to please come to the country legally(keyword here)?
Thrashfan21 4 years ago
That is exactly the debate. Legally? Are the laws, both international and nationally serving the needs of the country and allowing refugees access to jobs that go begging. Watch the price of lettuce if this reform is not instituted. How are you at pickin' and growin'? Hatred towards immigrants is within the context of the discussion, so don't play ignorant. That is of course if you are not just pretending ignorance.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Crossing the border illegally is a crime. Not to mention many do not want to assimilate into society,this can be a problem when one puts loyalty to their old country over loyalty to their new country. Being proud of where one comes from is fine and dandy however if it effects your ability to assimilate then it becomes a problem.
Thrashfan21 4 years ago
People constantly throw out these generalizations. I agree, deal with the criminals as they need to be dealt with, but don't lump all people into one group, that smacks of communism. All the Latinos I know are working hard, attending college and are assimilating very well, so you saying the opposite doesn't ring true for me.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Believe me when I say that i'm not trying lump all Latinos together. Good for those who are working hard,going to college and assimilating into society. I don't think you have been asleep the past two years so just look at some of the demonstrations that have occured. Many many people holding signs saying they refuse to assimilate, demanding amnesty and so on.
Thrashfan21 4 years ago
The argument I hear from your side constantly talks about being illegal entry. That point aside what are the issues? Are you just about law and order? Are you willing to look at international laws and when those are broken and how those broken laws affect the lives of refugees. If it is about laws then why don't you just join a police ride along program?
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Man should work for God, not God working for man. All religions are just somebody's best guess, and not very good ones at that. God doesn't want you to have a bureaucracy between you and He. Fire the Village Shamans!
trailsman5 4 years ago
You were just spouting the party line here. Few Americans have ever really seriously believed the Christian moral code especially if it hampered economic gain. John Brown refused to be blessed by a Sounthern minister before he was executed- a slaveholding christian was an oxymoron. The point was simple-you can not claim to hold a religion to be dear while avidly undermining all its precepts for world gainly. American christianity has been no more than a moral affectation.
fightjapanrc 4 years ago
You can google w w w . evilbible . c o m
for some information on the Bible that I didn't know before.
Ruffruff2006 4 years ago
HAHAHA evilbible . com is such a load of shit. It's typical idiots like you, Ruffruff2006, that except the atheist crap constantly spewed by morons like "evilbible" . com. Look into the facts before you except what you read.
RC13245 4 years ago 3
It's "accept," not "except."
Facts? You mean facts like "Satan invented Evolution"? What stupidity?
Ruffruff2006 4 years ago
Then you had better thank him/her, it is the reason you have survived to this point. Genetic selection is still in play so be careful...
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
"jimmyjustice"
??? Thank who? What is the reason?
What do you mean?
Ruffruff2006 4 years ago
Thank whomever invented evolution...God or Satan. Evolution is what has kept us alive. I'm warning those that can't accept that knowledge that their gene pool will probably end soon due to their lack of adaption.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Actually, the bible is FULL of evil shit.
Maybe you should read it. I doubt that you have.
sillychrist 4 years ago
I seriously doubt any of you anti-Christian idiots have read the Bible. I'm familiar with your tactics, all you do is get your pseudofacts from corn ball moronic sites like "evilbible".
CatholicWarrior20 4 years ago
haha.
willyrobinson 4 years ago
CatholicWarrior20
I do believe many Christians have their hearts in the right place and I see no reason believers and non believers can't get along. Many Christians are great people. I just think they have a blind spot.
Having said that though, I find the whole idea of religion to be one of superstition and faith at the expense of logic, evidence, critical thinking, reason, and open mindedness.
And then there's the movie Zeitgeist which settled it for me.
jackson32 4 years ago 2
you need to read more Jefferson, your view is incorrect
Grimli 4 years ago
Very good argument southern avenger. You make a very strong point that you cant discard christianity not being part of american culture just because some of other American people dont believe in it. it doesnt stop the fact thats its been historical and the majority still warship christianity
YingYangPanda 4 years ago
just because a certain element is apart of one's coulture doesn't make it a good thing nor does it mean that person should respect that. what southernavenger is leaving out in his romanticized depiction of american christianity is that it's been deeply rooted in hypocrisy and injustice-not a positive cultural element. the so-called christians throughout american history have never followed the example of jesus nor have they obeyed the basic commandment which is to love everyone as yourself.
kinga8106 4 years ago
Was that a Freudian slip..."Warship Christianity" for indeed Christianity has been and and continues to be reponsible for wars, oppression and death.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
So long as any religion is not supported or denied by government what harm can come?
thorsmitersaw 4 years ago
Very good and very well put SA. However, I cannot see something like that happening, or at least it is not here where I live. Could you plase post a response or an e-mail to me by telling me where this is happening?
reaperj06221986 4 years ago
Christianity might be a native religion to the Constitution, but America is a name for a continent as well as a nation and the native religion of this continent is Native American. Not only did they not kill us all, many of us were never militarily vanquished and are SOVEREIGN NATIONS WITHIN THIS NATION. Don't forget that.
oyate1960 4 years ago
So long as other, non-christina religions are respectuflly practiced in the US, then yes, Chrisitan heritage should not be denyed by the American people. Kudos, southern avenger. aethist or even imigrant, it is a part of American's history.
Ragade 4 years ago
piz am not a ass hole but i have to put up with a lot of Christian`s my name is josh they want to make me Christian and i t get`s me pissed i do think there is a god but i do not kow his her o its name and cuz i do not i get called the devil the son of the devil and evil and more i wat think may be good in your mine but its not real
mjpumkin 4 years ago
I'm atheist
Iwanapavich 4 years ago
I damn your inpure flesh to hell, maggots, long live the Holy Order of the Archevangelion. When the wheels of fate come full circle only the enlightened will reach Neo-Jerusalem.
CirrusBluesummers 4 years ago
Brilliant use of image and argument to present a thinly disguised manifesto for Christo-Fascism. thank you
LEATSLAN 4 years ago
then you stupid ass, why did you respond, bigot?
wntoply6 4 years ago
Again spot on SA as usual. What bigots like wntoply6 don't understand is we are not calling for a Christian United States but to be allowed to worship not just behind closed doors...like the original reason a lot of our ancestors came to the New World.
Infanterie 4 years ago
you people can worship other than behind close doors, but pushing your crap on others in public was your downfall. if you weren't so aggressive in trying to convert others to your crazy cult, in which you OFFENDED people, it might be a differnt story. catholics don't offend as you southern baptist do, they keep their religion to themselves...take a lesson from them jerks.
wntoply6 4 years ago
So are you saying that if someone is offended by you you should not be allowed to do whatever it is that someone is offended by. Im offended by open sexuality and affection in public (such as kissing your gf or bf while walking down the street)... does that mean we should pass laws to keep public displays of affection out of public society? No... Why? because just because I'm offended doesn't mean ANYTHING.(Btw... my gf is Buddhist and my last gf was Muslim)
TheHoustonKid 4 years ago
all i had to see was houston, houstonkid, and i realized you have nothing of importance to say. one of your own in recent years has done enough damage to this country what with his christian crap, that i didn't bother to read your diatribe, i just responded to the fact it came from an ignorant texan.
wntoply6 4 years ago
You refused to read my comment simply due to the fact that Im from Texas and therefore I am ignorant. That logic makes you ignorant yourself. Your a total hypocrite.
If you had the decency to actually learn something about me before making a bumass out of yourself you would have found Im a Libertarian, have you ever known anybody to even call a Libertarian ignorant? Thats like calling a philanthropist inhumane or heartless.
TheHoustonKid 4 years ago
yup, i don't believe anything a texan has to say. they lie all the time.
wntoply6 4 years ago
haha... you still refuse to read what I have to say hu... what if I was on your side? How would you know your not just being an ignorant dumbass (actually you already are)
TheHoustonKid 4 years ago
did you say something houston, can you write? didn't think they had schools in texas, well at least high school
wntoply6 4 years ago
What closed doors? Honestly what is it that stops anyone from being a muslim, pagan, christian, wiccan, buddist etc. honest nonhostile question what is that you, generally speaking, feel so restricted by?
Ender1zero1 4 years ago
Ender have you been out of the media loop? Its alright for the media to slam Jesus Christ and Christians repeatedly hence the creation of the term "Christian Right" but one can not make fun of Muslims say like the Mohamed Cartoon infact they pull said cartoons and made an apology. All I want is equal treatment not to be constantly bashed all I think as Christians we ask for is respect nothing more nothing less.
Infanterie 4 years ago
Yes I am completely and totally out of the media loop I stopped watching television years ago most of my news is from online and newspapers and we all know the apology to the muslim world had nothing to do with respect, fear is a great motivator. No one respects fanatics christian or Muslim I'm afraid that is something all religions are going to have to deal with.
Ender1zero1 4 years ago
Nobody is asking for respect for Fanatics. I don't remember saying that I wanted support of the KKK a fanatic Christian group. The thing is Christians are continually slammed everywhere not fanatical Christians but everyday don't hurt anybody Christians.
Infanterie 4 years ago