LONG RANGE - TOM SELLECK

[lightman006]

The long range shot Quigley made in the movie would be virtually impossible in reality given the distance of 1,200 yards minimum to the target; his unsteady standing off-hand position; the fact that he was using primitive open sights with no magnification; the target would have appeared as nothing more than a blurred speck at that distance; the poor long range ballistics of the calibre he used; and the significant cross breeze would affect the bullet. Pure fantasy and BS by Hollywood.

[lordxeras]

this is some good gun dialogue. you usually don't get stuff like this in movies.

[bigduke346]

he probley has sex wit this rifle

[claudiobenassi85]

And then he fucks the two dirty biatches.

[mpetersen6]

the Sharps should have had equal blling

[anthuan86]

ESTA PELICULA ME ENCANTA ES UN CHINGON TOM SELLECK

[SonicDude87]

Shots like this are possible given the right circumstances and as long as the shooter's a good enough shot. I read that back during the days of the Texas-Indian Wars, a soldier, also using a Sharps, knocked a Native American off his horse and that particular Native American was on a ridge about 1,538 yards (nine-tenths of a mile) away.

[rvndmnmt1]

@SonicDude87 That would be the Battle of Abobe Walls and the marksman would be one of the buffalo hunters there by the name of Billy Dixon. He was armed with one of those newfangled .45-70-405's when he pulled that shot and not one of the .45-110 Sharps (yes the cartridge did exist but for this movie it was glamorized a bit) that Quigley had. Basically shot a medicine man off his horse at a mile or so, give or take, depending on which source you go off of. Your using the army source.

[SonicDude87]

@rvndmnmt1

Oh. Thanks for telling me. I'm not really that good identifying different types of guns.

[Ridgerunner272]

@rvndmnmt1 Supposedly, this is what I heard, Billy Dixon was using a 50-90 and shot a Kiowa at 1538 yards...Supposedly. Hell of a shot, eitherway O.o

[USMarineRifleman0311]

@SonicDude87

those indians were grouped up. His chances were increased, all he had to get right was elevation. He had a wide target along his front.

[SonicDude87]

@USMarineRifleman0311

Ah. Thanks for giving me the info. History always was a favorite subject of mine in school.

[goatboyful]

Sorry Mr Quigley, the US Army got to Osama first!

[goatboyful]

@goatboyful and i do beg your pardon, it's now been revealed to have been the US Navy SEALS. and once again, thank-you.

[breffnipark]

what is the name of this movie ??

[goatboyful]

@breffnipark Quigley Downunder,

[breffnipark]

@goatboyful thanks .

[MAnnaconduit1]

i love how he scoops up the sand and lets it blow away to see what direction the wind is blowing at

[cattlewrangler]

At the speed whitey was going on the horse and the length of time he was galloping the bucket would have been well out of vision when he dropped it.

[therealKINDLE]

I've been searching this Scene for 10 Years! So Glad I found it! I wonder if the Films any Good?

[xyPERSON]

@therealKINDLE I can tell you with absolute certainty that it is!

[kg51596]

this is prolly my favorite scene from this movie :)

[diptwares]

Nothing like the "impossibly long shot" scene in a western! But offhand? C'mon now. :-)

[hovanti]

@diptwares My thoughts exactly! Prone, likely, but not offhand!

[goatboyful]

@diptwares ever see the episode of JAG, where a USMC sniper makes an 800yard offhand shot to take out the sideview mirror on a moving Humvee? and then to prove his innocence to the investigation team, he does it again! it's all the Hollywood BS that we've been watching for a hundered years that makes people ask cops "did you have to kill him?why did'nt you shoot the gun out of his hand?"!!!!LOL

[Sturmmann]

@diptwares

yea definantly, I taught Id be the only one to catch that.

this type of shot is only possible out to 300yds (iron sights-offhand) with very careful wind calls, but not at this speed.

and most competition shooters cant hit the 13in target at 200yds 10 out of 10 times to begin with

[samborez]

WHAT!? Superman CAN'T really fly?

[goatboyful]

it's just a movie you blokes, not a bloody documentary. iff you want to talk about BS in this flick, why not the fact the man comes all the way from the US to Western Australia for $50? now that's Hollywood bullshit!

[irshgrl500]

@goatboyful You know, you need to do some research on sharpshooters, aka Military Snipers, like Carlos Hathcock, and Chuck Mawhinney. Their kills were very similar to the fictional Quigley's shots. And what about the UK's Craig Harrison? That bloke blew everyone away in the Iraqi war with a shot kill of nearly 1 3/4 miles in distance!

[goatboyful]

@irshgrl500 i already own Hathcock's book, "Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills", and i don't recall anything in it about shooting off-hand. that is the BS i was referring to. if you scroll some of the earlier comment's, i believe you will find that was the topic of conversation. the plausability of shooting off-hand. using a heavy rifle with iron sights, at that range. as to the other gentlemen you mentioned, i'll freely admit to never reading of Chuck Mawhinney. as to Craig Harrison....

[goatboyful]

@goatboyful .. i revelled in the news and celebrated it here on YT. but i believe you will find that the man fired from a prone position. so my dear, off to the library and we'll square off again later.

[Sturmmann]

@irshgrl500

Hathcock never shot from the standing at NVA troops, it was all from the prone or supported sitting

[jeffraven]

@goatboyful: Uh, the U.S. dollar had a lot more worth to it back then. Consider that .25 cents then could get you a night in a hotel, and if you had $2000, you were a very rich man. So $50 is not out of reason.

[goatboyful]

@jeffraven well yes, quite right. but for me the prospect of a long,slow boat trip to the other side of the world....regardless of wether you took the job or not? as to what you could get for your money at the time,consider Robert Vaughn in "The Magnificent Seven". he wants his $20 fee before he leaves town. "that should cover my last two days rent." or for that matter, remember "For a Few Dollars More", a sheriff hands Clint a $1000 bounty and says it would take him "three years to make that".

[MikeAM78]

@goatboyful $50 would have been a pretty amount of money for some back then, especially if they were down and out.

[mbs357]

@goatboyful Fifty dollars was a ton of money back then. Probably around six to twelve months wages.

[lightman006]

@mbs357 The typical American cowboy's wages in the mid to late 1800's was $30-40 per month which equates to $360-480 per year, so $50 represented a significant amount of money for a hard working cowboy on the range.

[peacefuljeffrey]

Of course it's Hollywood bullshit!

Only a moron would be demanding that it be anything other than entertaining. It's "realistic fiction," and nothing says it has to be 100% true-to-life.

[Sturmmann]

@peacefuljeffrey

well we had 2 retards argue for 3-4 days that this is possible of being repeated

[gullfiskibolle]

mustache-power!

[saltydog45]

Also have to wonder...ever shot,handled a Sharps rifle with a 28? 30 " barrel? It is fucking heavy,and you cant stand like you do normally as you have to get the weight closer to your centre mass for balance...but hey,keep playing with those plastic guns wont you....always spot an american gun ho...

[saltydog45]

Gebus,ya gotta love youtube arguments...so riddle me this..why did the K98,SMLE etc have 1200 yard sights then? For those optimistic shots of the day?

[Sturmmann]

@saltydog45

the argument isnt about max effective range of this or other centerfire service rifles, nor is that info questioned.

its all about the human ability to hit targets from the standing at this range

i cant help but call bullshit on the stances in this movie, because i know how much the sights sway left and right at what distance

[Setebos]

"Are you quite certain, Mr. Quigley, that you wouldn't want the bucket a bit closer?"

"Are you quite certain you don't want this rifle barrel hard across your face if you open your mouth again while I'm aiming?"

[blueagle84]

Marston: Are you certain you wouldn't like the bucket a bit closer?

Quigley fires

Quigley:...Quite certain

3 more shots

awesome

[Sturmmann]

you couldnt make that shot from the standing

this is early hollywood bravado

plain unrealistic

[saltydog45]

@Sturmmann Dont do a lot of shooting do you......

[Sturmmann]

@saltydog45

only national competitions with the M14 at Camp Perry

a standing shot on a bucket 600 yds away is impossible

[saltydog45]

@Sturmmann Then you should know that nothing in the shooting world is impossible,just because YOU cant do it. Last thing I heard was a 2.4 Km kill shot with a .338 Lapua,not once but twice,...yeah,those ranges are impossible.....prone they may be,but take into consideration,wind,drop,rotati­on of the earth etc...yeah,impossible....

[Sturmmann]

@saltydog45

have you ever fucking shot at 200 yards while standing? on a simple 12in tgt?

5 for 5 is nearly impossible for most people at that range

people today can hardly hit a target like that from the prone and this retard jerked the trigger at 600+ yds

I havent seen anyone that can get 10 for 10 from the prone at 12in bullseye from the prone (600) with iron sights.

there is no human alive that can hold his breath and hands this steady

its humanly impossible

[IDNeon]

@Sturmmann You haven't seen shit poser, go somewhere else.

[Sturmmann]

@IDNeon

k asswipe post a video of you repeating this shot

its humanly impossible, he only glanced through the sights, didnt have the right stance or anything, let alone good trigger pull

this is just hollywood bullshit 

[USMCM249gunner]

@IDNeon

as the sturman dude says....this shot truly is impossible in real life.

bad acting, tom selleck knows nothing about the proper standing stance or trigger control

[shkotay]

@Sturmmann I just read (never saw one way or the other) from some old stuff charlie beckwith wrote, and richard marcinko (in his book rogue warrior) that the secret service were capable of making shots like that with iron sites, and they were the only ones ahead of the groups these guys ran in long range shooting. I have no idea if they were standing, but probably prone. I am asking since I dont know, have you seen them shoot? I know I cant hit anything big reliably past 100 yards standing.

[Sturmmann]

@shkotay

I have shot standing from 200yds at 12in targets, and I have to say only till lately I couldnt get 5 for 5.

Every shot takes atleast 10 seconds and the preparation, breathing, stance......is meticulous.

marcinko is full of shit if he thinks anything can be hit from the standing beyond 300yds

what he did here even with a 2 stage trigger from his stance at a glance through the sights is impossible.

[shkotay]

@Sturmmann Marcinko never said he did it standing or not just to be clear, just that shooting with iron sights with m14s the secret service were able to shoot at great distances accurately and better then the seals and delta force. I have no idea about stances or anything as they didnt go into that, just iron sight long distance shooting. I personally cant aim that well over 100 yards tops, shooting at deer and moose size targets. My uncle has accurately shot deer at 300 yards, which i cant

[Sturmmann]

@shkotay

good on you for being honest.

for the record, SEALs and special forces arent the master marksmen, those would be the infantry oriented troops like the USMC. Seals are lucky to hit out to 300yds with consistency (not talking about their sniper overwatch units tough, they go to the USMC SS school for training)

if this was 400yds, the bucket would've been a tiny speck that would have to be balanced on top of the front sight post

[shkotay]

@Sturmmann Well this makes sense :D I have been lucky to talk to some amateur marksmen since this time and purchase a nice M1A, they say much the same as you do regarding long shots. I'll be getting a bit into the sport in the spring myself. A 1200 yard standing shot...I can barely see a car at that distance much less a bucket and to standing shoot it too....sheesh. Great for hollywood though.

[Sturmmann]

@shkotay

I went with the venerable M1, did you make the next step and bought a good shooting jacket? I strongly recommend the Creedmoor basic green cloth coat

[shkotay]

@Sturmmann I'll take a look for the design. Winter in the north end is far too much a pain in the butt to go plinking but the other 3 seasons are perfect for getting out and into sport shooting, with hunting in the fall. I love the idea of being able to hit a target at long range while simultaneously adjusting for many variables. Having a little side gear would assist.

[911mrchevyman]

@shkotay yeah 1200 yards is like a hail mary . but we do have some great scopes these days. but 1200 yards thats a hail mary

[911mrchevyman]

@Sturmmann seals were never trained to be marksmen. army infantry was, seals are up close and personal. army snipers you'll never see before you hear the report, of rifle.

[shkotay]

@911mrchevyman Yeah a few guys explained some of the mechanics of making long range shots. Position, breathing, ballistics and so forth come into play along with wind and all that. This would have been a million to one luck shot at best is what I am getting now. I sure wouldnt mind becoming skilled at long range shooting. I have a nice M1A now so maybe I can start at it. Already hitting decent size targets at 300 yards :D

[Sturmmann]

@shkotay

M1s have a better stock grip for offhand shooting. M1As Ive shot had nice triggers but Ive always found the grips to be way too skinny, unless you're talking about a match SA M1A.

I dont rule out the possibility of a 300yd offhand shot with M1 style rifles. Ive done it myself on 12in tgts.

Now hitting the 36in 600yd tgt would be a challenge in the offhand.

[shkotay]

@Sturmmann Oh, I am no expert :D I am talking about consistently hitting the rotten old outhouse with a fat target stuck to it thats 300 yards back in the field on my family's property. As far as I know, I have a standard M14 civilian version (no expert on guns too as you see) which is listed as a M1A. I have a fairly cheap bushnell scope and good mount on it which does the trick for bushy areas but crap for long range stuff.

[Sturmmann]

@911mrchevyman

us army infantry cant shoot for shit, that would be the Marines.

They still shoot out to 500yds with iron sights

[Sturmmann]

@saltydog45

he was shooting from the prone with a hi powered scope and many electronics that computed in the winds and earths rotation.

thats alot of technological leverage

[saltydog45]

@Sturmmann Argue away.But interesting to read from Accuracy International,the makers of the rifle,admit that after 1500m ,its skill and luck.And if you have ever looked at a double trigger sharps,the second trigger is so fking sensitive,you just need to breathe on it,and thirdly,most modern day shooters are lazy ass scope jockeys.....and yes,I have shot 200 metres quite often standing,and got them in a 6" group.....with iron sights....and not using poxy peep sights,using "V" and post sights...

[Sturmmann]

@saltydog45

come to Camp Perry and show me from the 600yd line

[Sturmmann]

@saltydog45

there is no fucking way you can hit somethig that size from the standing in only a glance at the fucking sights.

[IDNeon]

@Sturmmann Billy Dixon whom Quigly is based upon didn't have any of that in the 1870s when he was shooting 1500+ yards.

[shkotay]

@Sturmmann for my part i fully agree, I was asking earlier about the capability of the rifle itself. Seems it was capable of being accurate out to those ranges. As for standing and making a shot like that past 60 (not 1200) yards, I cant see it.

[Danny62093]

Whenever I use the Buffalo Rifle in Red Dead Redemption, I always think of this scene.

[skeetereze]

Sexy.

[shkotay]

I have no clue about the capability of this gun. Was it possible that this gun with that caliber and a skilled shooter was capable of doing that back then? 1200 meters is one long ass ways away and WWII snipers up to today work hard to get 800-1000 meters. Sure is today that a skilled sniper is something to be scared of lol.

[idontrunntoofast]

@shkotay yes the sharps rifle was quite capable to fire somewhat accurately at that range

however it is the shooter has to be very good and know the gun very well

the bullet would have a great amount of drop and all other variables are quite amplified at that range with such a slow bullet

so in conclusion the gun yes it is capable but it would take so much practice to take the capability and put it to use

[shkotay]

@idontrunntoofast

In a word: "astounding".

Thats enormous precision in the show to be able to make those kinds of shots with such an antique weapon, much less the high precision rifles to be found today. To think it can be done for real? Wow.

[saltydog45]

@shkotay Google the Sandy Hook Trials of the 45/70.......yeah,so what a Barrett/Maxim/ .5o BMG can shoot a mile...they were doing it long before Mr Browning came along ( great engineer that he was,dont worry,I admire the guy heaps ),but in the right hands, a 45/70 and its fellow calibers were we able to do these sorts of ranges with skill and practice.

[shkotay]

@saltydog45 Surgical skill man. I always thought it was blatant fiction in the film. Thanks for clearing it up.

[4325air]

@saltydog45  I may be mistaken, but didn't the real-lifeTom Horn use a .45/70 routinely?

[saltydog45]

@4325air Not sure.But a gent I know with a custom built Sharps in 45/110 (scope and all ) was telling us of a town that was under siege by indians in the mid 1800's,unfortunately for them,the buffalo hunters were in town taking men off their horses at 1000 yards,after three days it was down to pistols and knives...next time I see him I shall ask him which town it was and send ya some info.

[jkirschy]

@saltydog45 You're thinking of the 2nd battle of Adobe Walls.

[4325air]

@saltydog45 I believe what you are thinking of is known as the Fight at Adobe Walls, June 27, 1874. The marksman was Billy Dixon, hitting a medicine man at plus-or-minus a mile with a Sharps. Wikipedia has a decent write-up.

[saltydog45]

@4325air Yep,thats the one.Apparently they are still discovering some of the old battle sites, projectiles from fights at least out to a half mile.

[micmoable]

cool scene from QDU-----!!!! SHOOTEM QUIG!!!

[mmhansen2]

Making that shot from the standing position, with no support of any kind? I don't think so. Still, it's a great scene.

[ambersstar1]

welcome to the real world.,theve been fubaring us yanks for a lot longer! do see your point though ,well taken!

[TMoorej]

this role was offered to Steve McQueen years ago before he died, so I guess this story was written a long time ago

[an8kyoe]

give this man a scope and call him death.

[mal334455]

brilliant scene from Tom

[MrJayson1464]

Ordered this rifle in Feb 2008 and have finally paid it off. It will be here March 2010. A two year wait time. At 18 months full payment needs to be made. Can't wait.

[goatboyful]

since march is just around the corner, good-luck and good shooting.

[MrJayson1464]

They called Dec 19th said they would ship after Jan 1st after I send the shipping and tax cost of $385. I got it finally on Feb 8th......heavy rifle about 13 1/2 lbs

[chriss1911]

got one a few years ago. My favorite next to my M1

[Keranofkri]

the M in the bottom of the screen is from a station in south africa called Mnet :)

Loved this film!

[1Morey]

Me and my dad always chuckle when we watch this scene and O'Flynn (orange haired guy) says "Bullsh*t". My dad then says, "Shut up and wtach him shoot."

[kombatzero]

i love this scene -

[Wunterwafffen]

Quigley is really Trace from Metroid Prime Hunters and his sharps is really the Imperialist. Marston with is pistol is Weavel with his Battlehammer. Lol.

[goatboyful]

great rifle, BULLSHIT movie

[goatboyful]

what? i'm an Australian and as much as some leftie historian would have you believe, Australian farmers did'nt hire "regulators" to snipe aborigines. nor are Dingo's like wolves. yes, this film is entertaining enough, though the soundtrack is way over the top. and YES I KNOW, it's not a documentary, but who likes seeing their history FUBAR!

[old45marine]

What?

I am an old RM .and I guess FUBAR will stand.

Fuck u b all recon

Take care oppo..excellent comment

[goatboyful]

take care yourself. Per Mare,Per Terram

[nelled09]

@old45marine ......fucked up beyond all recognition?

[old45marine]

@nelled09 I know what it means Oppo, was just being polite :)

[nelled09]

@old45marine haha ok good, carry on devil dog.

[Flowbee79]

Does Quigley specify which side of the Civil War he fought on? I gather he was a great sharpshooter and he was so during the war, but I don't believe they clarify which side he fought on. It is insignficant point, and obviously he's still a good action hero. Just wondering if they said for sure.

[undergroundbasement]

Billy Dixon shot an Indian off his horse in 1874 at Adobe Walls ,Texas using his 50-90 Sharps at a range of 1,538 yards, ...that kind of shot would be amazing even using a scoped Barrett 50 BMG

[BoldReiver]

And one must remember that Dixon made that shot with open "iron" sights!

Of course later in life he blew it off as a lucky shot ;-)

[Jrhoney]

He must have had really good eyesight!

[erik7x57]

Haha...BOOM! "Quite certain...."

[BigDumbJerk]

give me a gun like that I could hit it with my eyes shut.

[TheCoolProfessor]

Let's see Severus Snape make a shot like that from a standing position!

[neoconsnightmare]

LOL@ "...He is the GREATEST crack shot I've...."

[Bloodynavallint]

Rickman is the man

great movie

[smithstar4]

Alan Rickman may be the most underrated actor in the business--In every movie he's in he runs away with it,leaving whoever the star is in the dust.A good example is "Robin Hood,Prince Of Thieves" where he stole the movie from Costner.

[darthmorgen]

WHAT? Rickman's accent in this movie is horrible, and his acting is forced. IN Robin Hood he acts exactly the way he does here, only he uses an English accent. The only movie he was marginally good in was Die Hard.

[FetusWenus]

Alan Rickman is great, but Costner is easily upstaged, specially in Robin Hood

[mal334455]

wow ...  what a gun..

[Jayson1464]

Can't wait to get that rifle. 2 year wait just to get one. Only 622 days left. Ha Ha....

[Bystandah]

I'm assuming you are 15 or 16? From experience, it is worth the wait to finally buy your first rifle. I remember my first one. :)

[Jayson1464]

15 times 2 plus 5.

[AgentCross420]

I love the music in the movie.

[chrismallyon]

alan rickman always plays a great bad guy, except in january man, where he was quite amusing.

[bptaylor11]

Love this movie. My favorite scene is where he guns down the 3 at the end, but this one is a close second.

Thanks for sharing.