Hyun Jin Takeover in Brazil - UC Divisions Grow

[betgilson]

this heresy is being brought to Brazil through Bishop Manoel Ferreira, the President of the Assembly of God in Brazil. How disgusting

[tonyguimaraes04]

CAIM AGE ASSIM.ABEL TRAZ A PAZ...OS CAINS DO BRASIL ERRARAM E O DR HJN DESOBEDECEU A DEUS E AOS VERDADEIROS PAIS!

[erjolteruyo]

The seam as the john the baptist did not unite with his yang brother Jesus this is not yet restored so the old brother must understand father and unite with the younger brother of the family

[unread1234]

God created Adam and Eve sinless but not perfect. they are to be perfected fulfilling their own portion of responsibilities. Following the commandments of God. but Adam and Eve did committed the original sin. and God never intervene when they sin. as the principle implies, True parents cannot force true children or any of us on following his teachings and his path. True Parents can only love us.he can show us the way. at the end it is us who will choose witch path should we take.

God Bless

[wbttk]

he sounds like the rock

[lakitak]

ooooooooooooooooo my ass

[daissyjb]

yo estuve ahi !!!! y realmente no creo todavia lo que las personas piensan del hijo VERDADERO ..... es un hijo VERDADERO Y ESO NADIE LO VA A CAMBIAR !!!!

[grai]

the real creepy craziness starts at 6:00 when he starts mooing like a cow - mooing like a cow which is his messed up way of just letting people know he can do EXACTLY WHAT HE LIKES - look at the interpretors face - he's thinking "what the hell..."

his impersonation of his crazy dad is lame too - with his hand in his pocket

this is the "true family" ?

really?? These creeps are *sinless*?

really??

see with your own eyes - these pople will ruin your life if you let them - run!

[jerwincascarro18]

Why is the people around rejoicing (clapping and jumping)? They look so happy though!

[tomonari4]

ヒョンはなぜご父母さまから離れたのに、なぜ父母さまの写真に敬­礼しているのか分からない。

[MrMultimidia]

Eu penso que já esta na hora de esquecer o passado e excluir este vídeo! O que vocês acham?

[pcris26]

@MrMultimidia realmente ...

[marrianap]

I saw so much blame to In Jin Nim ,but i think that we should look at the roods of our movement -Messiah ,True Parents ,they trust in In Jin Nim & Kook Ji Nim etc .So i really respect & love HJN ,but i think we should trust in Tp decision they always right . If we blame In Jin Nim we deny Tp direction . Let's trust in TP .

[sungis]

@marrianap Well, SMM is taken captive... he has even tried to fire Kook Jin time after time, but the reports coming out of the palace are full of lies due to Kook Jin's influence and control.

[marrianap]

@sungis Is HNJ version,that TP receive fake reports , each I am not agree ,Our TP has spiritual seances, they predicted about end of communism,they predicted about black president ,and so many others .... So we know that TP don't perceive thos world just listening to others or just receiving reports ... I think if we dont trust in TP decision we dint trust in Messiah is same as disbelieve ,which is a big sin ...

ps- & from what HNJ group doing now is so ugly ....

[CholtaeSarang]

I cant tell if this is an attempt to shoot down Hyun Jin Moon and exalt In Jin Moon or reveal to the world that this act of HJN was necessary. But I will make things a bit more even: IN JIN MOON HAS HAD AFFAIRS WITH SAM PAK, HER HALF-BROTHER, AND HER PRODUCER ALISTAIR FARRANT! :) :) :) And her husband, Jinsung Park, has abused drugs... last time we know of is in 2008. Read about it in the New York Post. JAMES PARK!

[fromcagetotemple]

Wow... this is the natural reaction to having all your siblings lie about you. I mean, Hyun Jin is a violent guy but In Jin is a LIAR. KOOK JIN IS A LIAR. And SMM is being held captive. I pray the truth of In Jin Moon's affairs comes to light! IN JIN MOON HAD AN AFFAIR WITH ALISTAIR FARRANT

[MrYOLO78]

I do know many members left the movement because of Korean leaders.

And I do know many members left the movement because of Hyun Jin Moon.

To me this is "dog eat dog".

Anyway, is it just me,he sounds like drug addict？

He swears members and physically attack members even front of their kids.

He has really tough life as a son of Messiah. But that's not mean he can do such things to members.

No matter how life challenging you,we must be responsible to our own act.

[GodsTrueChristianity]

@MrYOLO78

I also know many members who are disillusioned by In Jin and Kook Jin and Hyung Jin. I know many youth leaving because of In Jin's hypocrisy. Their family is a mess and is not fit to lead a movement of any sort.

[moondof]

@MrYOLO78

I think it's just you.

[degaullemarie]

the anti Christ is here

[amiablesnowman]

I don't understand, what is this division in the church. Someone please explain it to me! And what does this video have to do with it?

[GodsTrueChristianity]

@amiablesnowman

basically, In jin and kook jin are powerhungry. and Hyun Jin is too. and they disagree with each other. but in jin backstabbed her brother. and theyre all robbing everyone!

[bexler53]

Whatever the case Hyun Jin Nim is TP son and it would have been more diplomatic

to resolve all this in private. How many Korean leaders have pushed their ways

and how many Unificationist have left the movement because of some of their

attitudes and abuse. This affair should have never happened.

[icanhopeanddream]

If you weren't there, please stop acting as if you know what happened. What gives anyone the right to criticize someone they've never met or gotten to know? Do you know what was done to him? It is unfair to HJN to judge him without watching the entire speech or understanding the full context of the situation. You wonder why people stick with HJN? Its because they know how honorable of a man he is. They have nothing to gain and yet they support him because they believe in his heart and vision.

[grangeender1]

@icanhopeanddream Keep hoping and dreaming. Some of us have known him a whole lot longer than you have, longer in fact than you've been alive. Handy with his fists is ol' Hyun.

[CholtaeSarang]

oh sun myung moon... your kids learned hypocrisy so well.

[punhada]

@CholtaeSarang

this proves that Sun Myung Moon does not control or brain wash nobody,since people are free can do what they think is right.You are a young dude that have done what things for God`s Providence? Dont be "hipocrita". Sun Myung Moon kids are not exempt of errors like you and me and everybody....

If you dont like SMM delete all the videos you have about it in your channel be sincere man."To Cesar what belong to Cesar and to God what belong to God"

[jingkee2]

not like some claim christian out there who loves to point fingers on other church for divisions whichs actually satans work. we unificationist are for god and world peace we must pray harder! god is not sleeping he knows whos doing the job and whos just talking about themselve of who they are claiming christ as if they know him. we know jesus better than those mumbling goats. remember the lords prayer "thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" 

[Fred2008m]

My Lord! What is this?

[aduraku2000]

Why are this things happening to him? Please think about it. Well...to be more specific: are this things a result of unity or disunity with his(our) Parents? Members,please do not take positions that you do not understand. Uniting with TP is always, always.......always the safest way. I am a simple member.

[gonaive56]

What is all this foolish talk about 'excommunication, 'character assassination" of HJN. I listen attentively to the leadership of the church and hear no such intent in their words. What is resolute, however, is that the action in Brazil was wrong, and violent physically, even more so spiritually.From that there is NO HIDING.Modern day audiences carry cameras to expose all things. I love HJN. and you who are his supporters. I know many of you.

Nonetheless, stop supporting his wrong direction.

[icanhopeanddream]

It is unprecedented that leadership in the movement "excommunicate" members and yet the current leaders seem to be doing a lot of that recently. Where is the true love? How can anyone justify the deliberate character assassination of HJN who has been working for God for his entire life? He is a loving family man and such a noble character. If he was so "violent" why would people stay loyal to him?

[grangeender1]

@icanhopeanddream Good question. Because HJN's habitual resort to violence is well and lengthily documented. There is much to be said for Hyun Jin Moon as a leader and a visionary but that's all wiped out by his habit of beating people up.

[icanhopeanddream]

@grangeender1 If I may ask, what habitual resort to violence? Two isolated cases which were blown up to a whole new degree? I don't see him as a violent man. Rarely is he pushed to the extent in which he is physical and even then it isn't as if anyone was seriously hurt except maybe their pride. Doesn't TF often give 'love taps' to members? If compared to that, this event (judging by what Shin has done to deserve it) hardly warrants the stoning HJN has received since.

[icanhopeanddream]

Does it not seem strange to you that the speech was 6-7 hours and yet they take a 6 minute clip and spread it around to frame HJN a certain way? propaganda? when has HJN ever shown his desire for power? Read his speeches, know his life and anyone can see that HJN was never motivated by money and power. for the past 12 years, when the movement was at its darkest and worst time, he was the ONLY person in the true family that stood up and listened to father.

[subliteral]

Don't take this lightly & don't be naive. HJ clearly intends to seize power , & has shown he's not against using intimidation & physical force to do it. Don't expect him to change his goals simply because Father disapproves , either. This is quite serious , & you can bet it's not over.

[jaabko]

The old story again, the old tricks again:jealousy and arrogancy, Satans Way. If somebody see this, have possible to follow this Man? I think is absolutely impossible. Have any connection with True Love and this kind of Style? NOTHING! I'm very sad, but the things are simply for me. Only question: why we could see this on Youtube?

[batourey]

"Strange things are happening in our movement" he says.

[grangeender1]

Just watched the video of HJN at Hoon Dok Hae. Total psycho. Complete nutjob, absolutely obsessed with position and power. No one stood up to him. Shame on those Brazilians for that. This lunatic will destroy everything if you let him.

[CholtaeSarang]

Glad to see Hyun Jin Nim taking ownership of his position, just as we all should in these times of skewed censorship and corruption.

[mazczan]

why post it? why put it in the public?

[chrislepel]

Those who took over the pulpit during the service don´t represent the UC tradition, don´t understand the teaching and don´t know the practice of True Love establish by our Founder Rev SMM, they are a small minority group and cannot be considered as UC "members", therefore there is no division in the UC, no one can divide the power of True Love, True Love is the absolute power of GOD that will unite the world with goodness without fear, arrogance, but with natural surrender.

[pichinohe]

"What is this a circus" ?!?!? disgusting..... how is this justified behaiviour? Hyun Jin ruining a message that was supposed to unify everyones hearts and minds, and defending himself from accusations?!? is that a message anyone wants to hear? protecting status through force? in not one way was that how Father taught us.... not one..... and all you talking about him having done nothing wrong... open your eyes and see for yourself.....

[newlyborn09]

@pichinohe oh stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. it's members like you who blow situations like this out of proportion and create unnecessary tension and rumours. Open your eyes, and try to understand the situation and what is going on before you make uneducated assumptions and judgements.

[newlyborn09]

So much harm can be done from speculation and lack of objective information. In my opinion everyone should keep their opinions private and to avoid taking sides. Division in the movement is the last thing anyone wants.

[Bulgaamn]

Everytime I see this my heart was teared down. For whose benefit, seeking what kind of results or gain credit to whom? this video is posted? I 100% trust in HJN rather than Rev.Shin. It is hard to imagine how group of some people, including Rev.Shin pushed HJN into his limits to pushing him to take such action. He arranged everything and left no room for HJN to act like this and ALLENKEY89 posted this video by their guidance. But for whose benefit? Think about that? Normal people will never do!

[grangeender1]

Who is the first translator? And who is the tall man at the back doing the fist pumping?

[gonaive56]

Hyunjin, I love brother, Your Father is a man of deep heart, a man of love. Anybody who knows him for real can't help but burst in tears from time to time. But I got to tell you that what happened in Brazil was a shame. THUGLIKE, BUMRUSHIN a stage by members, with your approval, proclaiming God, TP! You look bad, your father is mocked, and those who don't give a damn laugh at all his followers. Funny thing is: It's in your hands now. You're at the crossroads.

God bless you, my brother.

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[edpoor]

God is the one King of Kings. There is only one set of True Parents. All families are the people who share a single lineage, and are the children of one heavenly kingdom.

Moreover, the command center of cosmic peace and unity is the absolute and unique command center. Its representative and heir is Hyung Jin Moon.

Anybody else [who claims such a position] would be a heretic and one who brings things to destruction.

[HiPwrD64]

HJN is our elder brother. his passion is undeniable, as seen in this video. also undeniable is the fact that his passion is misguided. violence and hatred towards those who have given up their lives for TF's providence shows so. such is contradictory to the message of 'One Family under God'. even if they were in the wrong, a family forgives because God forgives. and thus, must we. rather than shunning and taking sides, it is time that we put on our Abel hats and bring our beloved Cain back home.

[turuu2012]

I don’t know before this. Why this happened. But I am happy to see Hyun Jin Moon and his action. He shouldn’t be quite now. He should stand up and protect Rev Sun Myung Moon’s legacy and name.

[HiPwrD64]

@turuu2012 if you really feel so strongly about protecting Rev SMM's legacy and life work, i would invite you to do a bit more research. you will soon find that it is actually HJN, or more likely his 'loyal' followers, who are driving the downfall. the camp's failed liquidation of TWT and other church assets is the biggest evidence. their defense? these businesses were losing money... since when was our movement all about making that mighty buck? was that Father's original intent?

[HiPwrD64]

@turuu2012 furthermore, check the attendance of TC's in last 3 of TP's major events - Father's 90th b-day, TP's 50th anniversay, and Parent UN proclamation. not a single follower of that camp showed up. Father even extended his stay at all of the events to wait for HJN. he never showed; not even a single congratulatory card. ask around. better yet, ask yourself, based on facts.

[HiPwrD64]

@turuu2012 lastly, what you don't see in this video is HJN's real message to the congregation. later in the video, HJN proclaims himself the new channel of God's vision, having passed his 40th bday. this is exactly why TF wrote the proclamation. in a way, i'm with you - i'm happy HJN came out and revealed his true agenda. hopefully all members will now realize what's really happening. the quicker that happens, the quicker we can put this behind us. i for one am ready to forgive and forget.

[newlyborn09]

God is the one King of Kings.

There is only one set of True Parents.

All families are the people who share a single lineage, and are the children of one heavenly kingdom.

Moreover, the command center of cosmic peace and unity is the absolute and unique command center.

Its representative and heir is Hyung Jin Moon.

Anybody else [who claims such a position] would be a heretic and one who brings things to destruction.

The above content is True Parents’ proclamation.

[HiPwrD64]

let's think about this for a second, folks. Rev. SMM is the 'perfect' embodiment of God, our Father. could such a man be misled by the so-called 'corrupt leaders' of the church? to insinuate that this 'perfect' man is indeed corruptable, is to insinuate that he is not 'perfect'. why? because being 'perfect' leaves no room for Satanic perversion; and in my eyes, hatred/grievance against one's son is exactly that. and honestly, would you take the words of your son, or those of your disciples?

[bkarnowski1]

Our relationship is with our Heavenly Father. The messiah is a mediator between us and our Heavenly Father. Let us grow to become at God's image, developing our parental heart towards each other.

[baysaad]

I LOVE Hyun Jin Nim 

[Bulgaamn]

Thank you Hyun Jin Nim for your appearing. It is time to protect True Parents and True Family. If you will not stand up, legacy of our TPs' will be ruined in hands of bad people. Using other members of TF bad people wants to fulfill their Satanic desires. Thank you God that you raised HJN.

[cherchelaverite]

What a shame! It is great that these days we can not hide anything. Please look at yourself and see what you are creating arround you. Anything with this kind of start will not grow in a right direction. I showed this to my B. daughter 16 y. old and told her never never jump up and down for any one, any one. As long as there are these kind of people there will be this kind of leader! It happens over and over again. What a shame this is all I can say.

[eunzies]

You have no legal right to post this video. Remove this NOW.

[alleejj88]

It is clear to see that Hyun Jin is an individual who has been corrupted by power. He pushes people to get the poor pastor off stage, he gives orders because he's feel entitled to give them. Yeah there are things going on in the church that I've never seen either. Like a coup lead by a power hungry individual trying to prove that he is still relevant. Everyone needs to just see this for what it is. It's one guy forcing another guy off stage. He pulled a Kanye West.

[sungis]

@alleejj88 wow. this was... disappointing.

[alleejj88]

@sungis it's disappointing that people like you are defending such horrible behavior. If you saw this happening at any other church, mosque or synagogue or Buddhist temple, would you think doing something like this is ok?

[sungis]

@alleejj88 if it was to retake what was lost... yes.

[theori3ntexpress]

InJin and HyungJin need to vindicate their elder brother not cover up the truth (ex: barely addressing the situation publically and basically trying to make us forget about him)

[Loew01]

@theori3ntexpress The truth with Hyun Jin Nim is so ugly, they don't want to cause a rift in the church by publicly denouncing him. They are trying to resolve it peacefully behind the scenes, but Hyun Jin Nim is kind of forcing their hand... Imagine how heartbroken Father is now that he has had to write that proclamation. There is a video of him doing it, by the way, so it is not a 'forgery' either...

[newlyborn09]

@Loew01 in my eyes, it seems that Hyun Jin Nim is somewhat sincere in his actions and although his methods may be wrong, he still has the right serving attitude towards true parents.

And I'd like to know about this 'ugly truth' concerning Hyun Jin Nim...

[sungis]

@newlyborn09 there is a lot of false accusations against HJN. people keep saying he is claiming to to be the 4th Adam.. but not once is that ever actually said. this is ahemful.

[Loew01]

@sungis It's not the 4th Adam claims that I have ever been worried about... It's HJN's arrogance and disrespect for Korean leaders and his own siblings that is so frustrating. I know Korean leaders make mistakes, but that's different than trying to paint them as malicious power-hungry animals. They do their best... HJN is incredibly smart, and he's churning out a powerful counter-propaganda message to hide how selfish he is being. There is no excuse for his actions. None at all...

[sungis]

@Loew01 Funny, that is exactly how I feel about In Jin Nim.

[Loew01]

@sungis To be fair, I'm not incredibly inspired by In Jin Nim, but all the evidence points to her having the right heart and Hyun Jin Nim being the rebel. Bottom line, which I can not understand how HJN supporters get around, is that In Jin Nim and Hyung Jin Nim are fully supported by Father, whereas Hyun Jin Nim is acting on his own, against Father's appointed representatives. The only possible explanation to support Hyun Jin Nim is that Father is being 'misled', which just makes me angry...

[sungis]

@Loew01 I gotta say that he could very well be misinformed. Even the video of the proclamation was shady as hell.

[Loew01]

@sungis The proclamation video is only shady if you presume certain things. 1. Father is weak-minded at this moment for whatever reason. 2. Mother has her own personal agenda that is not in-line with God's providence. 3. It was video-taped to be kept secret?

Also, it doesn't change the fact that HJN kicked and yelled at the continental leader AND the national leader at HDH the next day. He told the members to stop following them. That is not something Father would ever do or approve of.

[Loew01]

@sungis The HDH was video-taped as well, so I can provide you with a link if you need one. Again about the proclamation, obviously Father did not want to write it. I don't think anyone, even Mother or Hyung Jin Nim, wanted Father to write it, but only felt it was the lesser of all evils. The video shows Mother trying to convince Father that this was necessary, and Father's reluctance, which is entirely understandable. No Father would ever want to have to make such a declaration...

[sungis]

@Loew01 Did you hear Father's God's Day Speech? He is not the same man he was 10 years ago. Even 2 years ago. And both of them are being fed lies by leaders who send false reports on HJN.

I did see all the videos. SMM kicked and smacked and punched members on many occasions. Even HJN is known for hitting members. Do I agree with it? No. They are rowdy Koreans. I bet Shin has hit a lot of folks himself. The guy did LIE and deceive... even during the HDH!

[Loew01]

@newlyborn09 He does not have the 'right serving attitude' towards true parents. If he did, he would not be acting against his brothers, which he is actively doing. If you talk to people who support HJN, they won't just come out and say it (although one or two have), but they believe that the "leaders" are lying to Father. Some say it is Kook Jin Nim and Hyung Jin Nim that are just power hungry and trying push Hyun Jin Nim out.

[newlyborn09]

@Loew01 if that's the case then what's his motivation? and I'm interested to know why you seem to portray HJN as the one in the wrong. As far as I know the other True Children also have been involved or are involved in sketchy business.

I'm not trying to argue with you, just get a better picture of the situation.

[Loew01]

@newlyborn09 Motivation is a tricky thing to try to guess... personally, I think it is a Lucifer type arrogance that he understands better than his siblings the way to do God's will. He might actually believe his Father is being tricked by his mother and younger brothers, but if this is the case, it's the same problem as people who receive spiritual inspiration that they are the new Messiah, even if he doesn't make that claim. It's possible based on bad conditions he's made...

[Loew01]

@newlyborn09 By the way, this isn't speculation, but based on some pretty concrete objective info... The real reason Father asked HJN to stop public mission for a year is because in 2009 he tried to takeover the board of directors of HSA-UWC USA. Luckily In Jin Nim caught on and blocked the move, but HJN still managed to force a vote, and in the end the vote was split 6-6. If he had one more vote, he might have been able to take over all the assets of our movement in the US, like the Times...

[theori3ntexpress]

The messiahs son should be allowed to speak in his father's church not be prevented by a church leader due to personal resentment. Urikajok said he wants him to meet true parents, but did you know he hasn't been allowed to have an audience with him b/c of the lies of other leaders. His speech on this day had no indication of disuniting the church and true parents either.

[Loew01]

@theori3ntexpress You really don't know what is going on with Hyun Jin Nim... Do you honestly think Father would ever prevent his own son from seeing him based on what other leaders say? I've read what those other leaders have said about Hyun Jin nim, including the report by this continental leader that was kicked off stage, and they are always respectful and repentful to Hyun Jin Nim. Their only defense? They are doing what Father told them to do...

[HiPwrD64]

@theori3ntexpress Messiah's son does not gain any special powers. Father is all of humankind's Father. HJN, as a member of TF, should be regarded as our elder brother, only because he in theory should have been closest to Father in proximity and heart. he is not a prince, and he is not the next Messiah, after Father. this is not HJN's church and we will hear HJN's words only when endorsed by Father himself.  HJN was not allowed audience in Brazil, because Father already forbid him to do so.

[theori3ntexpress]

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In the video you see Rev Shin on the ground, he wasnt forced in any way to do so. He thought this would prevent hyun jin from speaking (very child like). Rev shin and other leaders have been spreading lies about hyun jin. This isn't the first incident like this either. My theory is one reason he has been silent for so long was to protect the integrity of the church/TP's but now he's just mad as hell.

[theori3ntexpress]

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[theori3ntexpress]

you guys have to get your facts straight. First time I saw this I thought how arrogant Mr. Moon seemed storming in during a sermon. But you have to read the reports from the leaders there.

[Loew01]

@theori3ntexpress I read the reports. Also, it goes back much further than Brazil. If you read all the information on what's going on, it is blatantly obvious that Hyun Jin Nim is acting against Father's desires.

[urikajok]

Hyun Jin Nim we love you a lot, but you should go to True Parents they are the origin. True Father stated clearly and documentary that Hyung Jin Nim is his representative. I think you know this too. Please, we want back our Hyun Jin Oppa who inspired us for greatest good. You don`t want to make peace by fights right? God and members love you and all True Family members , our only desire for you to come together. Father is waiting for you....

[gonaive56]

Wow! Absent was the spirit of Peace Present, the spirit of hooliganism, bragadoccio and manipulation. no matter what the nature of this dispute is, this behavior from 'religious leaders' is completely unjustifiable.

[Chilgman]

Who is 'they'

They that rose up against Us have put us to death, have shed our blood, have plundered our property, and violated our honor. Though aware of most of our afflictions, ye, nevertheless, have failed to stay the hand of the aggressor. For is it not your clear duty to restrain the tyranny of the oppressor, and to deal equitably with your subjects, that your high sense of justice may be fully demonstrated to all mankind? (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 247)

[grangeender1]

Reality check. Everything ends up on YouTube. Like this embarrassment. Any public address HJN makes will end up on YouTube unless cameras are forbidden. And it would take a brave man indeed to attend a HJN session where cameras are barred, unless he is in possession of a suit of armor.

[Chilgman]

YouTube is not a good venue unless extreme measures are needed. Why are the members in Brazil happy to see HJN in spite of the Korean leaders urgings? Why was the Korean leader ignoring HJN? Why does HJN now feel compelled to raise the stakes at this time? Now these questions need to be addressed. Not on YouTube, within Family. The whole Family. Remember Forgive, Love, Unite. ?

[GrahamCLester]

Yeah, sungis is a good guy!

[grangeender1]

Hye Sung, I don't know you but I know of you. My son, who lives very far away from you, says he has met you and that you are a friendly, funny guy. And I know that you are a frequent and effective defender of the church on YouTube. I think my tone in the previous post may have been a little harsh. Don't get too wrapped up in all this nonsense. It will get resolved. All will be well.

[sungis]

@grangeender1 It's fine. No worries. May God resolve these issues quickly. May our hearts and minds be open to God's wisdom.

[sungis]

@grangeender1 Oh and now I am so curious about your son! Hahah.

[GrahamCLester]

sungis, well at least we both like Tim Folzenlogen.

[grangeender1]

Sungis, If I were your dad I would suspend your allowance or something for even SUGGESTING that violence is justified, and HJN has a long and brutal history of it. HJN wants to speak. What? Has he never heard of YouTube? Let him make a video. I'll watch it, Everyone will watch it. No, what he really wants is to parade around a stage acting like the big enchilada.

[sungis]

@grangeender1 You may or may be right. He has issues with violence. He even knocked the hearing out of a wonderful man, Tim Folzenlogen. But what I am saying is that he is by far the lesser of two evils. He was silent out of a desire to keep the issues of his family quiet... but now he is reclaiming what the leaders tried to tear away from him.

[sungis]

@sungis btw, I meant may or may not* hah

[HiPwrD64]

@sungis so... what did these leaders take away from HJN? position in UC? look at church records - HJN is and has been at top positions across most UC orgs, including UCI. money? most honest leaders live quite humbly, making as much as your avg. college grad. Father's time? yeah, we all did. that, we all repent and are forever thankful for; but after all, Father is Father of humankind. supreme leadership of church, anointed to his baby brother? hm. remind you of anyone in biblical history?

[sungis]

@HiPwrD64

w w w.usabc.freeforums. org/

get rid of the spacing. Go there and find out the truth :)

[HiPwrD64]

@sungis interesting link. however, you do realize that Rev. Baldini, whose account you believe to be one of the 'truth' in the matter, was one of those fist-pumping on stage? and that he is also one who was pushed out of his leadership position by Rev. Shin (original speaker)? as of now, there have been dozens of individual accounts in closed email circulation. please be careful drawing conclusions based on limited exposure - we as UC members have been victims of that for far too long already.

[franzende]

@HiPwrD64 To clarify matter, Rev. Baldini was not one of those "fist-pumping" on stage. He is the white haired man with his arm around Rev. Shin at 1:02

[Bulgaamn]

@HiPwrD64 I would like to ask you from the bottom of my heart: please do not make judgment on HJN based on limited info you have had. According to your comments it is obvious that you are not familiar with the matter and what horrible things people doing in the name of WMD and TF. I see you are faithful and good hearted member and I'm sure if you will see the real facts about what evil they doing your thinking will be different. Please don't ask to show those facts, time will come for truth.

[Bulgaamn]

@HiPwrD64 May God and TPs forgive Rev.Shin, PK and others... They don't care how much they caused great damage to the spiritual life of members of whole world. Once the truth will be revealed and you will be amazed with how much patience and love our elder brother was possessed. It smells from you big headed (all-i-know, i-am-right) thinking which is not always the best way of thinking. Be humble and not too much logical (because logical thinking requires 100% of the data you need).

[sungis]

@HiPwrD64 I am listening to both sides. And it hurts me that one side could hide and lie so damn much.

[grangeender1]

@sungis You keep saying things like this, implying that dark secrets are being kept. To you, young fella I say: Don't be so coy. What do you know that we, the vast uninitiated, do not?

[gonaive56]

@sungis no side is lying, ok. a person(s), might lie and get called on it, but no SIDE is lying. Think about that!

[mitchipr]

Hey allenkey89, just wanted to say, thanks for posting this!

Good or bad, I like how we're more open and sharing things now.

[grangeender1]

Absolutely appalling. We were putting in 18-hour shifts when this thug was still wetting his pants. And just look at those caudillo worshippers jumping up and down behind him. SMM needs to put an end to this once and for all or watch his life's work go down the drain.

[GrahamCLester]

A word to the Church: If you have to choose between a person who goes around beating people up and a person who does *not* go around beating people up, always choose the one who does *not* go around beating people up.

[sungis]

@GrahamCLester He lied to HJN and said he would be able to speak. Then Rev. Shin said to the audience that HJN wouldn't speak, which was a lie. People traveled across South America to see him. Shin NEEDED to be kicked off stage. Then at HDH... those hits were justified.

In Jin and Kook Jin are hiding things. That is a whole other story, though. But lies are being multiplied and Hyun Jin needs his chance to speak.

[HiPwrD64]

@sungis all HJN needed to do was talk to his own blood father for a chance to speak his mind, should he feel disgraced by anyone. this is not democracy. he's not running for office. he need not address the church for anything. if Father truly endorsed HJN's direction, Father's word would be law. no 'leader' of the church could influence this; not even Mother! so why the circus act? why not appear before Father? do u even know when HJN last appeared before Father in person?

[kyungsunorr]

Sungis, please remember though that Hyun Jin Nim did this against True Parents order. He may be a far better true child than In JIn Nim, but if he doesn't unite with True Parents, we should not stand behind him. It is because of True Parents that the Unification Church exists. They are it's lifeblood; they are absolute; and no true child should question their authority.

[sungis]

Hyun Jin had to do this. He was lied to and deceived by Rev. Shin.

In Jin and Kook Jin are hiding many, many things. The UC is not in Sun Myung Moon's hands. There is manipulation and horrible deceit. And Hyun Jin is left behind. Finally he is speaking up.

Anybody who stands by In Jin pains me. How ignorant can you be? Anybody who bashes Hyun Jin through this all absolutely infuriates me... that is so shameful.

[gonaive56]

@sungis The UC is not in SMM's hands? what do you know that we don't? put it out.

SMM is 90 years old, travels, speaks publically, put a crown on the head of his spiritual successor publically, and you can make a comment like that? Are you a sower of discord?

[HiPwrD64]

@sungis there SHOULD be no 'taking sides'. period. TF is not a group of faction leaders, as much as we allow them to be. they're not our puppets, nor Pokemons. only 'side' we should take is God's and TP's. simple as that. furthermore, HJN feels left behind, because the UC church leadership position went to HgJN instead. remind you of Cain/Abel at all? Jacob/Esau? HJN is truly a blessed character, and he should realize which side of the providence he represents here - for all of mankind.