The problem with becoming an atheist is that you have to admit to yourself that you've been completely wrong for your entire life. It takes a special quality to do that.
This is my favorite one. No, God is not weak and feeble, but gave humanity too much of a choice to just show up and blow it all. If you saw God, than there is no need for faith, and thus no plan for salvation.
God is all knowing and all powerful and could easily provide proof of his existence , he loves us but will let us burn in hell for ever unless we believe despite the lack of evidence. Really? That's the plan?
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
God will not revel himself to you Matt. He wants to see you in hell. He can't wait to hand you over to Satan. Satan will be like "Okay Matt your hell will be an endless buffet of Mexican food and you have to eat until you explode".
Since humans stepped out of the caves, we were constantly expanding our circle of love to include more people. We now reject genocide, racism, incest, etc; things that were common centuries ago. We are in a crucial point in our development. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all evil is the next step. Atheism rejects Jesus, which represents 100% love, as a role model,which is a step back for consciousness. The time has come to raise our consciousness to the next level, is now or never.
It's kind of a shame people need to mock God. It's one thing not to believe but it's a whole 'nother step to mock or disgrace another person's religious deities. And why do people think God doesn't exist because he's not 'physically' there? Only a fool would say they know how we got here and only science can prove it. That's just plain ignorant.
@Sempi10 It's kind of a shame people need to believe in a god. It's one thing to believe, but it's a whole 'nother step to force their beliefs on educational standards. And why do people think god exists? Because they have no better way to fill the gaps in scientific knowledge? Only a fool would pretend to know that our existence is the work of an invisible/untestable god. That's just plain ignorant.
@drgoldteef@drgoldteef Lol...did it take you all night to come up with that one, Sparky? Your whole argument is a circle jerk. I don't care what you believe, I really don't. I'm sure you argued that the sky was green until someone else told you it was blue. But then again, science can't really prove the sky is blue can they, as colors are pre-supposed by science. We don't know where you came from...just accept it and move on.
@Sempi10 "science can't really prove the sky is blue"
That suggests you've never studied the inverse relationship between frequency and wavelength. Oh well.
"We don't know where you came from"
I came from my parents, as did you. And the phrase, "We don't know" aren't in religion's vocabulary. That's a shame, and it's the reason religion must be mocked - for pretending to know anything.
@drgoldteef Who said I was religious? I believe "someone" created us, seeing as we are floating on a wet rock in the middle of space. And wavelength and frequency have absolutely nothing to do with what you and I agree is a "color". You missed the point, friend. We all agree that blue is blue because we've always been told that, as were your parents and grandparents and so on....we pre-suppose these things.
@Zentz29 Because you and I both know it means something to exist, not just some random gesture by nature. We all have a purpose and a point for our existence and to deny that means denying you ever existed at all. Why do you believe we exist by chance or for no reason? That really defies your own self-awareness. Have you ever seen monkeys crying because they can't seem to advance as a race? No, because they're not a race, they don't qualify...that should tell you something about humans.
@Zentz29 You're asking "Why" someone created us...? I guess they had a reason. Probably something to do with learning and experiencing the world. That's just my guess. People have kids all the time. Maybe they just have a need to fill.
@explosivoification Science didn't determine that the sky was blue. You get the point. Science doesn't determine if your wife is pretty or whether or not you're an idiot. These are all presupposed things that we've picked up since the beginning of our existence. I think you are hung up on what science does. Science doesn't know and can't prove everything. We just aren't that advanced. Sorry.
@Sempi10 Yeah.......I said "Science can determine that the sky is blue. " i didn't say it did, im not saying science came up with blue.
Science still could determine it is blue, define blue, check if the colour of the sky has the same qualities. Not hard. "I think you are hung up on what science does. Science doesn't know and can't prove everything. We just aren't that advanced. Sorry." None of that even comes into it, its a simple task, science can do it, a child could too.......
@explosivoification Then who determined that the sky was blue? If a child could do it then you could say, we DON'T need science to determine that the sky is blue. The point is, we've taught that child to recognize the color blue, and yes we don't need science to do that, just parents and teachers and life. Yet if you talk about God, you now insist that SCIENCE hasn't determined whether or not there's a God...the problem is SCIENCE DOESN'T LOOK FOR GOD, so how could they answer this...?
@Sempi10 It doesn't matter if we need science to determine that the sky is blue, we need it for our health, for the technology we use and to learn about the universe we live in. This focus on science not determining the shy is blue (or as your original statement said not being capable, despite a child being able to).
SCIENCE ISN'T HERE TO INVESTIGATE EVERY BASELESS CLAIM, YOUR GOD IS NOT RELEVANT TO SCIENCE UNTIL YOU PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE IT EXISTS.
@explosivoification Oh, now I see...you believe it's a "baseless claim". I'm not sure who represents science and decides what's "baseless", but I bet it's not you. Now you're asking ME to provide evidence...? Well, I'm no Barnaby Jones with science, but I could tell you science is no Barnaby Jones with God. You need to look a little deeper than that.
@Sempi10 No, I'm not asking you to provide evidence, I meant that if someone who believes in your god wants science to investigate the claim they need to at least provide some tangible evidence that it exists.
The fact that nobody has done so is why science doesn't study your god, nobody has provided evidence for any god at all, which is why there isn't anything like a deityology in science.
Until someone provides evidence for such a huge claim the only reasonable thing to do is dismiss it.
@explosivoification I agree with your scientific position...sort of. It's indeed hard to study something when there is no physical evidence. I get that and I understand why that's what atheists hang their hat on. My problem here is with your last sentence. There are many things science can't "prove" but we don't dimiss them. Scientists can tell you you have a mind, but they can't show you a mind, physically. Do you get my point?
@Sempi10 They can't show you a mind, but only because a mind is the sum of different chemical and electrical impulses in the brain. We can show all of the parts that make up a mind and explain what a mind is. It's like metabolism, I can't show you metabolism but i can show you how different parts of it work and what their function is.
So you are right that I can't show you a mind, but science has given us a pretty good understanding of the mind.
@explosivoification The BRAIN is certainly houses chemical and electrical functions, but that resides in an organic world of its own. The mind is not so easily defined. Your mind apparently works will you are sleeping and even if you've experienced death for a short time. I won't even bother to ask you about dreams. I'm guessing you'll say something about chemicals again...
@Sempi10 Yeah I am because the mind is a product of the brain and uses chemical and electical impulses to create different aspects of your mind. The brain functions while you are sleeping and even if you've experienced death for a short time. Near death experiences for example occur in your mind but are a result of your brain being deprived of oxygen.
@explosivoification I think the best evidence is to actually speak to those who've had NDE's. I think most of them will differ with the "deprived oxygen" theory. I thinks it's ineresting that you can talk to dead relatives if you're deprived of oxygen and visit heaven. I don't know of any other condition that has this affect?
@Sempi10 I know of another condition: Extreme amounts of g force causing a lack of blood flow to the brain which deprives the brain of oxygen.
Symptoms include seeing a bright light at the end of a tunnel, feeling as if you are floating, a sense of serenity, vivid dreams of beautiful places and/or fiends and/or family members , false memories and out of body experiences.
Do you really believe that they go to heaven? If so, why do they get a free limited time access to heaven?
@explosivoification I'm not talking about symptoms, I'm talking about experiences, my friend. G-Force 'symptoms' are explainable...visitng the other side is not. The evidence is there if you choose to look at it. G-force symptoms don't include people floating to the ceiling and watching themselves, or listening to conversations taking place while they're dead. They also don't include a life review or being told to go back...you're not thinking deeply enough about the experience of death.
@Sempi10 Yeah but those experiences are symptoms of lack of oxygen to the brain. They do include a floating feeling, out of body experiences and vivid dreams, in other words "floating to the ceiling and watching themselves, or listening to conversations taking place while they're dead....a life review or being told to go back.. "
I think I'm thinking deeply enough, you're dying, your brain gets deprived of oxygen, you experience NDE or you die, the brain controlling your consciousness cease.
@explosivoification Well, you're not dying...you're dead. You're actually dead, sometimes for several minutes. Granted, in many cases I'm sure the brain runs out of oygen when you are dying. And yes, I think you could also have out of body experiences from lack of oxygen.No argument there.But if there is a heaven, and you died for a few minutes, then there's a very likely chance you could visit heaven, correct?I mean wouldn't people who've actually had the experience be the best source for this?
@Sempi10 Yeah you're dead but your brain isn't completely dead like someone who''s dead for a day..If heaven exists i don't think it's likely you'll be allowed in for a few minutes, I ,mean it doesn't seem like an omniscient god who knows you're going to be revived would bring you into the afterlife mid-life. No people having the experience wouldn't, in the same way that someone who claims to have been abducted wouldn't be a good source when deciding if aliens were visiting us.
@explosivoification I don't understand your logic...people die constantly and death is obviously very real. How are you comparing this to alien abduction?? There are records of people being pronounced dead for several minutes and returning to life. These are documented by scientifically minded folks like yourself. These people ARE the best source and best evidence for this experience. You can't simply dismiss it because it's not within your range of 'reason'.
@Sempi10 I'm comparing them because they are making claims with no evidence. Furthermore the symptoms of sleep paralysis can explain some claims of abduction but I'm not sure that any NDE claim can't be explained with the symptoms of a brain being deprived of oxygen.
If these people "ARE the best source and best evidence" then as fa as I'm concerned there is no evidence, their experiences justify them believing in it, they don't justify anyone else believing in it.
@explosivoification Are you serious? Alien abduction has absolutely nothing to do with sleep paralysis. This is poor research. Look into some of those cases in which people aren't even in bed...how can this be sleep paralysis? I've had sleep paralysis several times...no aliens. I'm not sure why personal experience is not considered evidence in your mind. I didn't say proof of anything, but you make it seem like a person's experience means nothing. Why is that?
@Sempi10 also I haven't heard of an instance of them being "documented by scientifically minded folks" AND finding evidence of the supernatural in doing so, this is despite all of the cases I have heard of.
@explosivoification Then I would say you're not looking very hard. Watch the show 'I Survived...There and Back'. These are cases of NDE's. One was even a doctor who didn't believe in God or the 'supernatural' as you call it. I think he was dead for something like 20 minutes. Watch these cases and LISTEN. You need to listen...or you will miss everything.
@Sempi10 "you're not looking very hard. Watch the show 'I Survived...There and Back'". How is this even a response to "haven't heard of an instance of them being "documented by scientifically minded folks" AND finding evidence of the supernatural "? Have you seen the show?Saw episode 1. It is just people talking about NDE, it isn't scientifically minded folks and it isn't finding evidence of the supernatural........Why did you think something so irrelevant was an appropriate response?
@explosivoification These events are documented by doctors and nurses and staff. Are you saying doctors aren't scientifically minded? And why would you consider that irrelevant. If someone has died and come back I would think their experience would be the MOST relevant piece of information.
@Sempi10 Because no scientifically minded person presented any evidence to the supernatural, that was the whole point.
Their personal experience isn't evidence. If I took it as evidence I would also have to take every claim of being abducted as evidence, every bigfoot sighting as evidence, every ghost sighting as evidence, every claim of a conspiracy as evidence.
Also people have experienced the same symptoms when they haven't died at all.
@explosivoification I guess thoughts or ideas don't exist to you either because you have hard time accepting anything that isn't physical. If I said I wanted to build a house, would you believe I had this idea or would I have to build it first? And I'm not saying take 'every claim', I'm saying open your mind to what's possible. You've already decided nothing's possible so having an objective point of view might be beyond what you are capable of accepting.
@Sempi10 You don't have to misrepresent my position. Thoughts and ideas can be proven to exist, also they have effects.
Saying people are closed minded just because they don't accept your position as true is really immature. I'm open minded enough to examine claims, I'm not so open minded that my brain falls out and I accept wild claims that have no evidence especially when more likely explanations exist.
@explosivoification And what claims have you examined? You seem to dismiss things based on personal biases and lack of physical evidence. In order to examine something that is obviously a non-physical entity, wouldn't the examiner need to be at least "open" to the idea of this being's existence..?? If not, then your examination is irrelevant because in your mind you've already dismissed this possibility.
@Sempi10 I've examined many claims such as the one we're talking about now. If someones "evidence" is just them insisting the claim is true then there is no reason to think it is true.
I'm open to the possibility, yet when people say they have evidence it never is evidence (from my experience anyway) it's just someone saying something is true without having evidence of it.
@explosivoification I don't understand. How are you 'open to the possibility'? The possibility of what? So you're saying it's possible there's a God? If that's true then you must understand that no one can show you physical evidence of 'God', right? In other words, if you say a God is possible, but there's no physical trace of him, then there must be some other way to find him, correct?
@Sempi10 I'm open to the possibility that a lot of claims i don't believe could be true. No I don't think no one can show me physical evidence of god/s.First we'd need a definition for the god/s in question, because there are so many different claims about what god is.If it has tangible effects on the world then maybe we can find evidence, if it is both intangible and doesn't have tangible effects then its existence is irrelevant.
@Sempi10 "It's kind of a shame people need to mock God" Well some people just find these beliefs hilarious, they mock them the same way they mock anything else they find funny. It's not as if they are only mocking your god, they mock all sorts of beliefs, superstitions and conspiracy theories.
It's like when you hear about lord xenu and thetens, or people thinking their souls will be captured by a photo. Or when you notice how many....
@Sempi10 ....anti psychology anti pharmaceuticals scientology members seem as if they need a psychiatrist and some meds.
When you see a cult member just repeating the stuff they were brainwashed into believing, you see how they're trained to respond to questions a certain way so they can never have a real conversation with them, you aren't exactly thinking "that's an interesting world view, pity it costs so much otherwise i'd consider it" you think it's ridiculous, a lot of people laugh at it.
God's a dick! Ok, now I should be struck down dead...1...2...3...4...5...nope, nothing
Don's a dick! Ok, now I should be struck down dead...1...2...3...4...5... *ding dong* Oh, hi, Don! *gets beaten to a pulp by Don with a baseball bat*
See what I did there? Don's more likely to strike me dead because he actually EXISTS!!! God didn't strike me down because he's as fictional as Sonic the Hedgehog! Game over!
(Appologies to Don for calling him a dick, it was just an experiment, he's not a dick)
I'm reminded of Elija ragging the priests of Baal trying to get their god to fire up their alter. Come on you Christians, pray louder. Maybe Yahweh is asleep.
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing....For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdon; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and the Greeks foolishness....not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble are called...the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually descerned." (1Corninthians)
@drrobertoboogie97 Isaiah 13:16 is the closets i could find to Psalm 137:9 Exodus 23:23 it was the closes i could find to Deuteronomy 20:17 those really are nasty ;D
@GermanChocolateCake There will never be any evidence for prayers working, because their 'knowledge' of it comes from anecdotal evidence and folk tales.
In "The Root of All Evil" the man Richard Dawkins is talking to proudly states that they have had 66 confirmed miracles, and over 2000 sick people healed. Then he says they have around 88,000 sick pilgrims visit every year. This is the type of thing they call 'evidence'. And of course no one has ever re-grown a limb.
@nikitty020 "prayer does work and anyone who listens to these idiots will burn in hell with them :)"
Thats wonderful, I cannot wait to go to hell.
I agree that prayer does work, Its 40 years that I pray every day that god does not reveal himself, and as you see (or rather don't see) god does not reveal himself.
I'm currently praying for god to convince us that his place is in the Mythology section of the library.
@nikitty020 Ok, pray every day as often as it takes for your natural eye color (iris color) to change without human intervention, and then come back to us and prove that it changed. Contact lenses don't count.
@GermanChocolateCake i've already prayed about a lot of things in my life to change so i know that prayer works. billions cant convince themselves it works if it doesnt. that doesnt make any sense. they wouldnt keep praying if it didnt work yet people all over the world pray everyday. and mocking God by praying for stupid things will only piss him off. God gave u that brain and look what you've done to it! its going to waste!
@nikitty020 Really. Ok, test number one. Go to a hosptital, any one in your area. Find an amputee (veterans hostpitals are good for that). Pray with that amputee that his limb(s) be restored by the power of god. Do that every day, perhaps multiple times per day, until it works. let us know when it has worked. And before you say "god doesn't work that way" be sure to read Matthew 18:19.
Report when your experiment is successful as Matthew 18:19 clearly indicates it should be.
@GermanChocolateCake I dont need to reread something i've read more times that you. I know how God works so don't try that crap with me. all u people will do is explain it away with some crap. thats what u always do. ppl HAVE been healed many times before by priests and pastors yet u deny it because the power of God is beyond your comprehension. why don't u try reading & comprehending the WHOLE bible to understand how God works. instead of cherrypicking just one.
@nikitty020 I've read the entire thing. Largely why I'm an atheist now. According to the statistics, your god works about 50% of the time, through prayer. That's a failing score in school. And that crap I'm trying with you is called reason, which is, as you observed, very good at explaining things. It's also, at least in the case I presented, called testing and evidence. But clearly, you don't need to put much stock in such things since you're so certain you've been told the truth by your bible.
@GermanChocolateCake reading closed-minded without faith is nothing! anyone can do that! if u claim u read it and don't see how its all connected and answers questions science will NEVER be able to answer youre obviously selectively retarded. there are no real statistics of prayer lol what? did all the believers in the world keep track of what they prayed for and when they got it? NO! so u dont actually know unless u see it or they tell u. ppl without faith dont know a thing about how God works.
@nikitty020 I'm selectively retarded because I don't assume that a millenia old book of cobbled together manuscripts of dubious authorship has told me the "end all, be all" truths of the universe? I counter that anyone who DOES unquestioningly believe such questionable material is the one being willfully retarded.
Also you make the assumption I read the bible with a closed mind. You are in error. I read it when I was a devout, church-going christian. Doing so is what caused me to question it.
@nikitty020 Science never claims to know everything, or answer everything. Science is a self-correcting process of finding out things to the "best of our knowledge". The entire idea of knowing everything, or even knowing anything beyond any doubt is unscientific.
Only religion makes such irrational claims.
You are also clearly ignorant of the statistical studies on the efficacy of prayer. I suggest you study the topic. The Mayo Clinic even tested the hypothesis of intercessory prayer. Read it.
@nikitty020 "reading closed-minded without faith is nothing! "
hypocrite! YOU are the one reading it close-minded! You refuse to accept that you can't be wrong! HOW is that open minded? You're also implying that you need to be gullible and ignorant in order to believe.
"ppl without faith dont know a thing about how God works."
@nikitty020 Wow. I read some of your comments here because a lot of people seem to be respnding to you. I finally found something that makes sense. You say that science cannot answer everything and that's true! Wow. You're a genius! Unfortunately for you, this is why we have philosophy
@nikitty020 Furthermore, if your god is incomprehensible, then how is the bible going to give me any way to comprehend anything about him?
Your words remember.
I can tear apart the credibility of your bible with far more than just Matthew 18:19. And while we are on that subject, until you can provide a believable rational for why Matthew 18:19 is somehow not relevant, or doesn't apply, you are on horribly shaky grounds for credibility yourself.
@GermanChocolateCake "I can tear apart the credibility of your bible with far more than just Matthew 18:19. "
lol i'd like to see u try! u think billions would believe if that were possible? its not possible because u werent around thousands of yrs ago to prove stories didnt happen, u havent passed away yet and had judgement day, and u deny any proof of God u do see.
"Documented prayer healing? Citation needed." lol TURN ON THE TV. its broadcast all over the nation! since u don't go to church.
@nikitty020 YEs, and how many televangelist/faith healers have proven to be frauds? Just check with James Randi and the associated courts of law those individuals have been taken to. Additionally, millions believe because, on the whole, humans are ignorant creatures that look for simple, quick answers to difficult problems (like mortality). Religion provides quick, simple answers in spades with little concern over the accuracy of its answers. Just because billions do it doesn't make it right.
@GermanChocolateCake "YEs, and how many televangelist/faith healers have proven to be frauds?" clearly not all of them since ppl still go to them. u try to focus on the false ppl to prove your claims yet u leave out all the honest ppl who really do heal ppl. i know all arent frauds as i've been in church and witnessed things for myself... from bishops and pastors not just any "faithhealer" how can one convince themselves all r false? its not logical. ppl witnessed these healings!
@nikitty020 Demonstrate with repeatable, testable, quantifiable hard scientific evidence that some, rather ANY, of those faith healers have actually had any impact on any serious health condition up to and including complete reversal/cessation of illness/injury, and I might believe you have a case. Until then, you're expecting me to simply believe your claims, which I don't.
I find it far more statistically likely that there simply are a great many gullible people believing demonstrable frauds.
@JohnF30Music where does knowledge come from then??and think about how complex the human body is,the brain,the eyes,the bones in our feet,the bone in your head, whats the odds of such a complex body just comeing into an existence without a HIGHER POIWER,slim to none,NOW THAT TAKES FAITH,pull your head out of your arse,you atheist are stupid and you dont have a clue,so keep your big trap shut
@cmcneill60 What are the odds that human beings came to exist without a god existing? I have a better question; what are the odds that some nut on youtube (you) is right, and all of the scientists are wrong?
@ninjajesus81 i know the HOLY SPIRIT and HE indwells me,you and your scientists are in trouble,argue all you want,truth is truth,your headed for a bad place,GOD doesnt want that but HE gives humanity freedom of choice,HE will say to you did you accept my provision in my SON for forgiveness of sin and spiritual life and you will say HUH?? WHAT?? i never knew GOD and HE will bring this conversation up and say your without excuse,depart from me,not good,put trust in GOD not scientist
@cmcneill60 So what I understand from this is 1) You think you can see into the future. 2) You think you're perfect and you can't be wrong. You won't even accept that as a possibility.
You're arrogant and deluded. You're trying to scare an atheist with threats of god? How can you not realize that makes zero sense?
Do you believe in Pokemon? No? Then would it make sense for me to try to scare you with tales of Charizard?
Can you prove one god damn thing you've said? Of course not, so stop.
@ninjajesus81 GOD knows the future HE is the alpha and omega,your future is sad on your current path,your killing the messenger. you need to be scared of hell,its a bad place and its forever,GOD made that reality not me, as far as proof i could go on with many expieriences but your heart isnt right.its proud like GOD needs to march to your drummer YOUR DREAMING, HE is the CREATOR and KING
@cmcneill60 If god knows the future, let him tell me. Right now you're just talking out of your ass. You don't know the future, yet you're sitting there telling me about it.
Your proof is where? Your experiences? Even if you've had experiences, why should I believe you based on your experiences? People say they've been abducted by aliens. Should I believe them based on THEIR experiences?
@cmcneill60 If god knows the future and everything that will happen, then there is no such thing as free will and you're trying to divert god's plan by proselytizing and converting people to Christianity.
However, if people actually DO have free will, then your god CANNOT know the future because the free choices of humans have the power to change the future.
@ciaochowbella HE created people and is soverign,HE knows you better than you know yourself and knows what you and i will do,im not trying to convert anyone,just telling you that i have had things happen in life where i know GOD and the devil exist, its a mystery to me why HE has let me see so much and people like you nothing?? kinda sad, to me your thinking is very limited you leave the CREATOR out of the creation,only GOD can convert people,although HE does use people in the proscess
@cmcneill60 Before you start claiming "HE" did this and "HE" did that, you need to prove "HE" exists.
Unless and until you can offer evidence for the existence of your god, all your claims are bullshit and all your threats are petty chest pounding.
However, your definition of your god makes him an impossibility.
BTW, I am evolved. DO NOT denigrate me and the accomplishment of my ancestors by saying we're merely an art-n-crafts project of some petty celestial tyrant. I'm better than that
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors busty sexy wife. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said "holy fucking shit!" (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV
"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Justin Biebers. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Biebers, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."
Other humans. It's called teaching and learning. I didn't learn my alphabet and my numbers from divine intervention. My parents taught me. And doctors didn't learn about the human body from God either, they learned that from other doctors.
@cmcneill60 They found it themselfes, LOL. IM sorry to inerrupt here, but you are arguing from ingorance. The knowledge comes from investigation and following the evidence, no god ever told a doctor how to cure anything.
@JohnF30Music ahah so much hate between the atheist and theist sides. Only heat generates light my friend. Conflict is how we grow. And I'm right here fighting with you the whole way my atheist brother :P
@BlackMetalWorld lol satanic? its the truth. imagine a society where everyone was forced to be agreeable and peaceful argument was discouraged and not allowed. sounds rather totalitarian to me. in America, if you're regarded as someone who attempts to unify different groups you're praised but sometimes unity can be an illusion. a false feeling of unity, and a false feeling of unity is not worth having. division and conflict is how we TRULY come together and grow (in the end).
@nikitty020 People have watched Penn and Teller shoot each other and catch the bullets in their teeth. The difference between an Illusionist and a fraudster is whether or not they let you know they are fucking with you. If you know someone who is able to do these things, they should take the James Randi challenge & maybe donate the money to charity. Pretty sad too if faith healers were actually real. Having to brown nose that much to get your god to get off his ass and fix people.
@nikitty020 Millions believed the Earth was flat once. Millions believed man would never fly. Millions believed the moon was something supernatural, and never believed we would visit it. Millions thought the sun revolved around the Earth. Those millions were dead wrong. So clearly belief has absolutely no impact on fact. Millions don't believe in evolution, but that doesn't stop it from being a fact. Perhaps, like the flat Earth, we'll come to a time when the fact is accepted over the fiction.
@nikitty020 Finally, I don't have to try. Have a good read through of the Skeptics Annotated Bible (if you have the guts to) and then tell me your bible is chock full of some of the most misinformed, misanthropic, bigoted, genocidal, contradictory rubbish ever written.
I don't think you will. You're comfortable in your ignorance, and blind to anything that questions your equally blind faith. Even if you did, you'd look at it through the lens of faith, which is incapable of objectivity.
@nikitty020 "u think billions would believe if that were possible?"
argumentum ad popularum logical fallacy. there's more than a billion muslims too. You think billions of muslims would believe in allah is the one true god and that jesus wasn't a messiah, if it weren't true? your argument defeats itself
"because u werent around thousands of yrs ago to prove stories didnt happen"
and YOU weren't around to prove they DID happen. sorry to break it to you: the onus of evidence is on YOU!
@nikitty020 there is also star trek and battlestar gallactica broadcast WORLDWIDE... so those must be MORE true. also; doesnt god explain that man cant know his will? so how do you?
@gr8z0mbiejesus there is no connection between the two therefore you have no argument. just denial. and God's will is in the bible. God NEVER said we werent supposed to know his will. if we didnt know his will how would we know what commandments to follow and make apart of our religion? u make no sense.
But when you accept God and His Word, you can understand how Genesis explains the death and suffering as a result of the failure of humanity, not God. Amputations are one element of the consequences of death, degradation, and suffering that humanity and all creation bear because of our rebellion and sin (Romans 8:22). But even amid and through that suffering, God works His perfect will (Romans 8:28), and one day there will be no more pain for His people (Revelation 21:4).
@GermanChocolateCake Disputing the accuracy of your question doesn’t ultimately matter, though; even if we agreed that amputations were extremely common during Bible times and that the Bible doesn’t record any, that in no logical way disputes God’s existence or omnipotence. Besides, if you accept the argument against God on the basis of the evil around us, then miracles aren’t going to change your mind, anyway (Matthew 12:39).
@cmcneill60 Please take some time to briefly understand biology before throwing out sentences like this. Or if possible, explain to me how you think natural recovery is evidence for a supernatural being and how one could demonstrate this, as opposed to one just using as an argument on YouTube.
@GermanChocolateCake ha ha they know it won't work and they'll try to make up any excuse for their god as to why it didn't work lol Typical religious bullshitters.
@MrUrosSrb "Context" is a very old and broken evasion technique. You'll have to do better than that. Besides, I've read the whole thing (a tedious and unpleasant task). Context is frequently thrown out as a counter even in the face of surrounding passages doing exactly nothing to counter or alter the context of the passage cited. taking any verse at face value is reasonable and even expected when you are talking about a book supposedly meant to clearly convey messages and teaching to all people.
@GermanChocolateCake I suggest u read a real Bible study on thsis passage...pleaes dont be so childish,and take every word literaly,and even so when somebody is praying he has to fully believe in it without having doubts,thats why some prayers go unanswered.
@MrUrosSrb A subtle variation on the no true Scotsman. The is nothing childish in expecting plain language translations to convey a message clearly and unambiguously. See your argument of context and interpretation are just methods to try to exploit ambiguity to allow for whatever interpretation you agree with.
world peace is so nebulous. We need to be at least a little more specific. How about start praying for a true and free election in Egypt. Now that's something more specific on the way to peace.
@bmatsnig "but rather, that people would freely come to know of Him." Wich is kind of difficult if he consistently hides himself, sends conflicting "revelations" and molds reality in such a way that it is completely incompatible with any of these "revelations". If god's realy, he's for sure a bastard who enjoys seeing people fight about it.
@PokeRapper5000 That's not the point of the statement. The point is that the level of evidence required is related to the "wickedness" of the claim. For example, if a friend tells me that he saw a car crash last night, I'll simply believe him without asking for evidence. It's not an extra ordinary claim, car crashes happen all the time. Now, if he would say "they were gonna crash, but then suddenly this one car defied gravity and flew over the car he was gonna hit"...
How ironic. I lost my keys yesterday, and got depressed cause I keep doing stupid things. Then I fell back on an old habit. I prayed. Not to find my keys, but for God to help me with my depression. Well, Im no longer depresed, but my keys are still lost. But I still haven't gone back to Xianity
I'm an Atheists who views my catholic background more like a good luck charm !... So what there is no God !.....One Billion + people cling to the ancients for purpose and the power of the congregation !.Through time i have redifined my beliefs to less offend the simple minded... " I'm not smart enough NOT to believe in God but there is no heaven and hell... when U die U turn to Shit !" Telling a feable minded person there is no God is cruel .. So what U know the truth !
If the world doesn't end in 2012, which I will bet my eternal soul it won't, then I want any Christian reading this comment to become an atheist. Seriously, Christians, you guys are running out of chances. Your god has delayed salvation for long enough. If you're willing to wait forever, then you are showing your own stubbornness. Please respond if you are willing to take this bet.
@MunkyDrag0n uh no because Christianity doesn't teach the world will end in 2012. That's the Mayan calendar. The Bible says we cannot know when the end will happen. And salvation happens everyday in individual hearts.
@steffyb528 That's unbelievable! So you all are willing to wait forever for the end, making our lives miserable every step of the way? Salvation happens every day. So does anger, sorrow, depression, and suicide. When will you realize that for every person who is happy and content there are a hundred more who are destitute? What will you tell them? "God loves you but not enough to lift a finger to help?" That's pretty low even if you say it with the best intentions.
@MunkyDrag0n Yes, I am willing to wait. Actually, I will probably die around 70 years of age like most Americans. In the meantime, yes there is much suffering in the world as I do see it in the kids that pass my way and for now God has us to help. I try to let Him use me everyday by taking needy children in my country into my home while their parents work to get off drugs and giving what little money I can to charities that help others. He uses us to lift that finger.
@steffyb528 I respect you for helping children, but you make God look like a coward. So every human is a puppet of God? Would you help those children if God did not exist and you just felt sorry for them? God has the power to create planets and life forms but cannot make crops grow in poor countries? He tells you to help. He tells others to take money from the poor, threaten others, and commit murder. Are these people puppets as well? For every good thing I see people do, I see a hundred bad.
@MunkyDrag0n I don't mean to make God out like that. He TELLS them to take money from the poor, threaten others? I seriously doubt that. Would I help if God did not exist? Maybe I would, but honestly I would be a completely different person if God didn't exist. Maybe I would be evil. I say it's hard to know what kind of person I would be as I experienced salvation of Jesus in my heart at 7 years old. Hard to know what I would do if He hadn't given me compassion.
@steffyb528 Politicians take money from the poor through taxes. Priests take money through donations they use for themselves. The US forces third world countries to pay taxes even though citizens live with less than a dollar a day. All of them claim God is on their side. Also the Westboro baptist church threatens veterans and gays. Conservatives threaten atheists and abortion advocates. I myself treat others with compassion and respect. I do this because I had been exposed to many kind people.
The problem with becoming an atheist is that you have to admit to yourself that you've been completely wrong for your entire life. It takes a special quality to do that.
TheCraich 1 month ago 2
@TheCraich Not necessarily. You could be raised in an atheist household in an atheist culture.
Ekit357 3 weeks ago
@Ekit357 Allow me to rephrase. To transition from theist to atheist you have to admit . . .
TheCraich 3 weeks ago
They just use so many strawmen in this, it's pathetic.
ProtestantsRUs 2 months ago
@ProtestantsRUs such as?
lightweightatheist 1 month ago
@ProtestantsRUs Can you give an example of a strawman that was used...?
shaun2135 1 month ago
@shaun2135 Apparently not :).
YaleBreaker 1 week ago
This is my favorite one. No, God is not weak and feeble, but gave humanity too much of a choice to just show up and blow it all. If you saw God, than there is no need for faith, and thus no plan for salvation.
Looks like you had a bad idea this time.
MrNatwill2 3 months ago
@MrNatwill2 Let me know if I've got this right:
God is all knowing and all powerful and could easily provide proof of his existence , he loves us but will let us burn in hell for ever unless we believe despite the lack of evidence. Really? That's the plan?
llieno 2 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
God will not revel himself to you Matt. He wants to see you in hell. He can't wait to hand you over to Satan. Satan will be like "Okay Matt your hell will be an endless buffet of Mexican food and you have to eat until you explode".
baxtar1963 3 months ago
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Since humans stepped out of the caves, we were constantly expanding our circle of love to include more people. We now reject genocide, racism, incest, etc; things that were common centuries ago. We are in a crucial point in our development. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all evil is the next step. Atheism rejects Jesus, which represents 100% love, as a role model,which is a step back for consciousness. The time has come to raise our consciousness to the next level, is now or never.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
So, Richard Dawkins a Christian yet? A couple of years later...? No, didn't think so.
aboyborninjune 6 months ago 9
@aboyborninjune he is just a "cultural christian", but he is an atheist
that means he just loves the art inspired with christianity and loves churches and their architecture design
but in a matter of beliefs he is an atheist that strongly fights creationism
marfg12345 4 months ago
It's kind of a shame people need to mock God. It's one thing not to believe but it's a whole 'nother step to mock or disgrace another person's religious deities. And why do people think God doesn't exist because he's not 'physically' there? Only a fool would say they know how we got here and only science can prove it. That's just plain ignorant.
Sempi10 6 months ago
@Sempi10 It's kind of a shame people need to believe in a god. It's one thing to believe, but it's a whole 'nother step to force their beliefs on educational standards. And why do people think god exists? Because they have no better way to fill the gaps in scientific knowledge? Only a fool would pretend to know that our existence is the work of an invisible/untestable god. That's just plain ignorant.
drgoldteef 6 months ago
@drgoldteef @drgoldteef Lol...did it take you all night to come up with that one, Sparky? Your whole argument is a circle jerk. I don't care what you believe, I really don't. I'm sure you argued that the sky was green until someone else told you it was blue. But then again, science can't really prove the sky is blue can they, as colors are pre-supposed by science. We don't know where you came from...just accept it and move on.
Sempi10 6 months ago
@Sempi10 "science can't really prove the sky is blue"
That suggests you've never studied the inverse relationship between frequency and wavelength. Oh well.
"We don't know where you came from"
I came from my parents, as did you. And the phrase, "We don't know" aren't in religion's vocabulary. That's a shame, and it's the reason religion must be mocked - for pretending to know anything.
drgoldteef 6 months ago
@drgoldteef Who said I was religious? I believe "someone" created us, seeing as we are floating on a wet rock in the middle of space. And wavelength and frequency have absolutely nothing to do with what you and I agree is a "color". You missed the point, friend. We all agree that blue is blue because we've always been told that, as were your parents and grandparents and so on....we pre-suppose these things.
Sempi10 6 months ago
@Sempi10 "I believe "someone" created us"
Why?
Zentz29 5 months ago
@Zentz29 Because you and I both know it means something to exist, not just some random gesture by nature. We all have a purpose and a point for our existence and to deny that means denying you ever existed at all. Why do you believe we exist by chance or for no reason? That really defies your own self-awareness. Have you ever seen monkeys crying because they can't seem to advance as a race? No, because they're not a race, they don't qualify...that should tell you something about humans.
Sempi10 4 months ago
@Zentz29 Oops...I was responding to drgoldteef
Sempi10 4 months ago
@Sempi10 Okay, but the question still stands.
Zentz29 4 months ago
@Zentz29 You're asking "Why" someone created us...? I guess they had a reason. Probably something to do with learning and experiencing the world. That's just my guess. People have kids all the time. Maybe they just have a need to fill.
Sempi10 4 months ago
@Sempi10 I was asking why you believe that "someone" created us.
Zentz29 4 months ago
@Sempi10 You do know blue is just a label we gave to the colour blue right? Science can determine that the sky is blue.
explosivoification 4 months ago
@explosivoification Science didn't determine that the sky was blue. You get the point. Science doesn't determine if your wife is pretty or whether or not you're an idiot. These are all presupposed things that we've picked up since the beginning of our existence. I think you are hung up on what science does. Science doesn't know and can't prove everything. We just aren't that advanced. Sorry.
Sempi10 4 months ago
@Sempi10 Yeah.......I said "Science can determine that the sky is blue. " i didn't say it did, im not saying science came up with blue.
Science still could determine it is blue, define blue, check if the colour of the sky has the same qualities. Not hard. "I think you are hung up on what science does. Science doesn't know and can't prove everything. We just aren't that advanced. Sorry." None of that even comes into it, its a simple task, science can do it, a child could too.......
explosivoification 4 months ago
@explosivoification Then who determined that the sky was blue? If a child could do it then you could say, we DON'T need science to determine that the sky is blue. The point is, we've taught that child to recognize the color blue, and yes we don't need science to do that, just parents and teachers and life. Yet if you talk about God, you now insist that SCIENCE hasn't determined whether or not there's a God...the problem is SCIENCE DOESN'T LOOK FOR GOD, so how could they answer this...?
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 It doesn't matter if we need science to determine that the sky is blue, we need it for our health, for the technology we use and to learn about the universe we live in. This focus on science not determining the shy is blue (or as your original statement said not being capable, despite a child being able to).
SCIENCE ISN'T HERE TO INVESTIGATE EVERY BASELESS CLAIM, YOUR GOD IS NOT RELEVANT TO SCIENCE UNTIL YOU PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE IT EXISTS.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification Oh, now I see...you believe it's a "baseless claim". I'm not sure who represents science and decides what's "baseless", but I bet it's not you. Now you're asking ME to provide evidence...? Well, I'm no Barnaby Jones with science, but I could tell you science is no Barnaby Jones with God. You need to look a little deeper than that.
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 No, I'm not asking you to provide evidence, I meant that if someone who believes in your god wants science to investigate the claim they need to at least provide some tangible evidence that it exists.
The fact that nobody has done so is why science doesn't study your god, nobody has provided evidence for any god at all, which is why there isn't anything like a deityology in science.
Until someone provides evidence for such a huge claim the only reasonable thing to do is dismiss it.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification I agree with your scientific position...sort of. It's indeed hard to study something when there is no physical evidence. I get that and I understand why that's what atheists hang their hat on. My problem here is with your last sentence. There are many things science can't "prove" but we don't dimiss them. Scientists can tell you you have a mind, but they can't show you a mind, physically. Do you get my point?
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 They can't show you a mind, but only because a mind is the sum of different chemical and electrical impulses in the brain. We can show all of the parts that make up a mind and explain what a mind is. It's like metabolism, I can't show you metabolism but i can show you how different parts of it work and what their function is.
So you are right that I can't show you a mind, but science has given us a pretty good understanding of the mind.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification The BRAIN is certainly houses chemical and electrical functions, but that resides in an organic world of its own. The mind is not so easily defined. Your mind apparently works will you are sleeping and even if you've experienced death for a short time. I won't even bother to ask you about dreams. I'm guessing you'll say something about chemicals again...
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 Yeah I am because the mind is a product of the brain and uses chemical and electical impulses to create different aspects of your mind. The brain functions while you are sleeping and even if you've experienced death for a short time. Near death experiences for example occur in your mind but are a result of your brain being deprived of oxygen.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification I think the best evidence is to actually speak to those who've had NDE's. I think most of them will differ with the "deprived oxygen" theory. I thinks it's ineresting that you can talk to dead relatives if you're deprived of oxygen and visit heaven. I don't know of any other condition that has this affect?
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 I know of another condition: Extreme amounts of g force causing a lack of blood flow to the brain which deprives the brain of oxygen.
Symptoms include seeing a bright light at the end of a tunnel, feeling as if you are floating, a sense of serenity, vivid dreams of beautiful places and/or fiends and/or family members , false memories and out of body experiences.
Do you really believe that they go to heaven? If so, why do they get a free limited time access to heaven?
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification *friends
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification I'm not talking about symptoms, I'm talking about experiences, my friend. G-Force 'symptoms' are explainable...visitng the other side is not. The evidence is there if you choose to look at it. G-force symptoms don't include people floating to the ceiling and watching themselves, or listening to conversations taking place while they're dead. They also don't include a life review or being told to go back...you're not thinking deeply enough about the experience of death.
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 Yeah but those experiences are symptoms of lack of oxygen to the brain. They do include a floating feeling, out of body experiences and vivid dreams, in other words "floating to the ceiling and watching themselves, or listening to conversations taking place while they're dead....a life review or being told to go back.. "
I think I'm thinking deeply enough, you're dying, your brain gets deprived of oxygen, you experience NDE or you die, the brain controlling your consciousness cease.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification Well, you're not dying...you're dead. You're actually dead, sometimes for several minutes. Granted, in many cases I'm sure the brain runs out of oygen when you are dying. And yes, I think you could also have out of body experiences from lack of oxygen.No argument there.But if there is a heaven, and you died for a few minutes, then there's a very likely chance you could visit heaven, correct?I mean wouldn't people who've actually had the experience be the best source for this?
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 Yeah you're dead but your brain isn't completely dead like someone who''s dead for a day..If heaven exists i don't think it's likely you'll be allowed in for a few minutes, I ,mean it doesn't seem like an omniscient god who knows you're going to be revived would bring you into the afterlife mid-life. No people having the experience wouldn't, in the same way that someone who claims to have been abducted wouldn't be a good source when deciding if aliens were visiting us.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification I don't understand your logic...people die constantly and death is obviously very real. How are you comparing this to alien abduction?? There are records of people being pronounced dead for several minutes and returning to life. These are documented by scientifically minded folks like yourself. These people ARE the best source and best evidence for this experience. You can't simply dismiss it because it's not within your range of 'reason'.
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 I'm comparing them because they are making claims with no evidence. Furthermore the symptoms of sleep paralysis can explain some claims of abduction but I'm not sure that any NDE claim can't be explained with the symptoms of a brain being deprived of oxygen.
If these people "ARE the best source and best evidence" then as fa as I'm concerned there is no evidence, their experiences justify them believing in it, they don't justify anyone else believing in it.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification Are you serious? Alien abduction has absolutely nothing to do with sleep paralysis. This is poor research. Look into some of those cases in which people aren't even in bed...how can this be sleep paralysis? I've had sleep paralysis several times...no aliens. I'm not sure why personal experience is not considered evidence in your mind. I didn't say proof of anything, but you make it seem like a person's experience means nothing. Why is that?
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 also I haven't heard of an instance of them being "documented by scientifically minded folks" AND finding evidence of the supernatural in doing so, this is despite all of the cases I have heard of.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification Then I would say you're not looking very hard. Watch the show 'I Survived...There and Back'. These are cases of NDE's. One was even a doctor who didn't believe in God or the 'supernatural' as you call it. I think he was dead for something like 20 minutes. Watch these cases and LISTEN. You need to listen...or you will miss everything.
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 If he was dead as in brain-dead (no brain activity), then he wasn't aware or thinking anything. In fact, if he was revived, he wasn't dead.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Err...I don't follow you. He was dead...absolutely, positively dead. And if he wasn't dead, then what was he revived from?
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 "you're not looking very hard. Watch the show 'I Survived...There and Back'". How is this even a response to "haven't heard of an instance of them being "documented by scientifically minded folks" AND finding evidence of the supernatural "? Have you seen the show?Saw episode 1. It is just people talking about NDE, it isn't scientifically minded folks and it isn't finding evidence of the supernatural........Why did you think something so irrelevant was an appropriate response?
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification These events are documented by doctors and nurses and staff. Are you saying doctors aren't scientifically minded? And why would you consider that irrelevant. If someone has died and come back I would think their experience would be the MOST relevant piece of information.
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 Because no scientifically minded person presented any evidence to the supernatural, that was the whole point.
Their personal experience isn't evidence. If I took it as evidence I would also have to take every claim of being abducted as evidence, every bigfoot sighting as evidence, every ghost sighting as evidence, every claim of a conspiracy as evidence.
Also people have experienced the same symptoms when they haven't died at all.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification I guess thoughts or ideas don't exist to you either because you have hard time accepting anything that isn't physical. If I said I wanted to build a house, would you believe I had this idea or would I have to build it first? And I'm not saying take 'every claim', I'm saying open your mind to what's possible. You've already decided nothing's possible so having an objective point of view might be beyond what you are capable of accepting.
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 You don't have to misrepresent my position. Thoughts and ideas can be proven to exist, also they have effects.
Saying people are closed minded just because they don't accept your position as true is really immature. I'm open minded enough to examine claims, I'm not so open minded that my brain falls out and I accept wild claims that have no evidence especially when more likely explanations exist.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification And what claims have you examined? You seem to dismiss things based on personal biases and lack of physical evidence. In order to examine something that is obviously a non-physical entity, wouldn't the examiner need to be at least "open" to the idea of this being's existence..?? If not, then your examination is irrelevant because in your mind you've already dismissed this possibility.
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 I've examined many claims such as the one we're talking about now. If someones "evidence" is just them insisting the claim is true then there is no reason to think it is true.
I'm open to the possibility, yet when people say they have evidence it never is evidence (from my experience anyway) it's just someone saying something is true without having evidence of it.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@explosivoification I don't understand. How are you 'open to the possibility'? The possibility of what? So you're saying it's possible there's a God? If that's true then you must understand that no one can show you physical evidence of 'God', right? In other words, if you say a God is possible, but there's no physical trace of him, then there must be some other way to find him, correct?
Sempi10 3 months ago
@Sempi10 I'm open to the possibility that a lot of claims i don't believe could be true. No I don't think no one can show me physical evidence of god/s.First we'd need a definition for the god/s in question, because there are so many different claims about what god is.If it has tangible effects on the world then maybe we can find evidence, if it is both intangible and doesn't have tangible effects then its existence is irrelevant.
explosivoification 3 months ago
@Sempi10 "It's kind of a shame people need to mock God" Well some people just find these beliefs hilarious, they mock them the same way they mock anything else they find funny. It's not as if they are only mocking your god, they mock all sorts of beliefs, superstitions and conspiracy theories.
It's like when you hear about lord xenu and thetens, or people thinking their souls will be captured by a photo. Or when you notice how many....
explosivoification 3 months ago
@Sempi10 ....anti psychology anti pharmaceuticals scientology members seem as if they need a psychiatrist and some meds.
When you see a cult member just repeating the stuff they were brainwashed into believing, you see how they're trained to respond to questions a certain way so they can never have a real conversation with them, you aren't exactly thinking "that's an interesting world view, pity it costs so much otherwise i'd consider it" you think it's ridiculous, a lot of people laugh at it.
explosivoification 3 months ago
god wouldn't dare appear in front of Richard Dawkins.
lewisner 6 months ago 10
@lewisner God is demoralized right now, head in hands, losing a debate with Hitchens about whether or not He exists.
699backstab 1 month ago 6
@699backstab A beautiful thought. Hitch is blowing smoke in gods face too?
lewisner 1 month ago
Might be just a coincidence, but doesn't Matt look a lot like Happy Buddha?
NoFaithInFolklore 7 months ago
God's a dick! Ok, now I should be struck down dead...1...2...3...4...5...nope, nothing
Don's a dick! Ok, now I should be struck down dead...1...2...3...4...5... *ding dong* Oh, hi, Don! *gets beaten to a pulp by Don with a baseball bat*
See what I did there? Don's more likely to strike me dead because he actually EXISTS!!! God didn't strike me down because he's as fictional as Sonic the Hedgehog! Game over!
(Appologies to Don for calling him a dick, it was just an experiment, he's not a dick)
Tarynus 8 months ago 10
@Tarynus Also I highly doubt he'd actually strike you down for being called a dick, as he's way too nice of a person for that.
sharkjack 8 months ago
@Tarynus God might strike your grandchild down!!
jurnagin 4 months ago
@jurnagin Emphasis on "might" in that sentence & with the evidence of God being practically zero, that "might" tilts more in favour of "no"
Tarynus 4 months ago
god got bored along time ago and just said 'fuck this' and just started fucking with us.
(god is nor real)
Bayzz2 8 months ago
lol at least these fuckers aren't blowing themselves up
Pooternackle5 8 months ago
I'm reminded of Elija ragging the priests of Baal trying to get their god to fire up their alter. Come on you Christians, pray louder. Maybe Yahweh is asleep.
Kailoa36 8 months ago
@Kailoa36 when he judges you and says depart from me HE will speak loud and clear to you
cmcneill60 8 months ago
@cmcneill60 Oooh! Your imaginary friend is going to send me to Hell. I'm so afraid!
Kailoa36 8 months ago 3
@cmcneill60 Yeah well my omnipotent sock puppet that is undetectable is going to beat up your sky daddy.
TurumbarTurin 8 months ago 2
★★★★★
Katalyzt 9 months ago
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing....For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdon; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and the Greeks foolishness....not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble are called...the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually descerned." (1Corninthians)
missionarymayn 9 months ago
abominations in the bible
Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13) arent christians doing this against minoritys like atheist?
Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17) pig? shellfish?
Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1) so god like animal sacrifice so loong it is not imperfect
Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9) wich law? goverments law or the bibles?
MeisterReaper 9 months ago
@MeisterReaper Where is Psalm 137:9? Or my favorite, Deuteronomy 20:17?
drrobertoboogie97 8 months ago
@drrobertoboogie97 Isaiah 13:16 is the closets i could find to Psalm 137:9 Exodus 23:23 it was the closes i could find to Deuteronomy 20:17 those really are nasty ;D
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sidesho666 10 months ago
@sidesho666 hi
zEropoint68 9 months ago
@zEropoint68 its about time someone answered. shit, I'v been waiting for 3 weeks.
sidesho666 9 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake There will never be any evidence for prayers working, because their 'knowledge' of it comes from anecdotal evidence and folk tales.
In "The Root of All Evil" the man Richard Dawkins is talking to proudly states that they have had 66 confirmed miracles, and over 2000 sick people healed. Then he says they have around 88,000 sick pilgrims visit every year. This is the type of thing they call 'evidence'. And of course no one has ever re-grown a limb.
MegaDerp11 10 months ago
lobotomy may work
yexela 10 months ago
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prayer does work and anyone who listens to these idiots will burn in hell with them :)
nikitty020 10 months ago
@nikitty020 Prove it moron.
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@nikitty020 "prayer does work and anyone who listens to these idiots will burn in hell with them :)"
Thats wonderful, I cannot wait to go to hell.
I agree that prayer does work, Its 40 years that I pray every day that god does not reveal himself, and as you see (or rather don't see) god does not reveal himself.
I'm currently praying for god to convince us that his place is in the Mythology section of the library.
saintpine 10 months ago 3
@nikitty020 Ok, pray every day as often as it takes for your natural eye color (iris color) to change without human intervention, and then come back to us and prove that it changed. Contact lenses don't count.
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake i've already prayed about a lot of things in my life to change so i know that prayer works. billions cant convince themselves it works if it doesnt. that doesnt make any sense. they wouldnt keep praying if it didnt work yet people all over the world pray everyday. and mocking God by praying for stupid things will only piss him off. God gave u that brain and look what you've done to it! its going to waste!
nikitty020 10 months ago
@nikitty020 Really. Ok, test number one. Go to a hosptital, any one in your area. Find an amputee (veterans hostpitals are good for that). Pray with that amputee that his limb(s) be restored by the power of god. Do that every day, perhaps multiple times per day, until it works. let us know when it has worked. And before you say "god doesn't work that way" be sure to read Matthew 18:19.
Report when your experiment is successful as Matthew 18:19 clearly indicates it should be.
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago 57
@GermanChocolateCake I dont need to reread something i've read more times that you. I know how God works so don't try that crap with me. all u people will do is explain it away with some crap. thats what u always do. ppl HAVE been healed many times before by priests and pastors yet u deny it because the power of God is beyond your comprehension. why don't u try reading & comprehending the WHOLE bible to understand how God works. instead of cherrypicking just one.
nikitty020 10 months ago
@nikitty020 I've read the entire thing. Largely why I'm an atheist now. According to the statistics, your god works about 50% of the time, through prayer. That's a failing score in school. And that crap I'm trying with you is called reason, which is, as you observed, very good at explaining things. It's also, at least in the case I presented, called testing and evidence. But clearly, you don't need to put much stock in such things since you're so certain you've been told the truth by your bible.
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago 3
@GermanChocolateCake reading closed-minded without faith is nothing! anyone can do that! if u claim u read it and don't see how its all connected and answers questions science will NEVER be able to answer youre obviously selectively retarded. there are no real statistics of prayer lol what? did all the believers in the world keep track of what they prayed for and when they got it? NO! so u dont actually know unless u see it or they tell u. ppl without faith dont know a thing about how God works.
nikitty020 10 months ago
@nikitty020 I'm selectively retarded because I don't assume that a millenia old book of cobbled together manuscripts of dubious authorship has told me the "end all, be all" truths of the universe? I counter that anyone who DOES unquestioningly believe such questionable material is the one being willfully retarded.
Also you make the assumption I read the bible with a closed mind. You are in error. I read it when I was a devout, church-going christian. Doing so is what caused me to question it.
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago
@nikitty020 Science never claims to know everything, or answer everything. Science is a self-correcting process of finding out things to the "best of our knowledge". The entire idea of knowing everything, or even knowing anything beyond any doubt is unscientific.
Only religion makes such irrational claims.
You are also clearly ignorant of the statistical studies on the efficacy of prayer. I suggest you study the topic. The Mayo Clinic even tested the hypothesis of intercessory prayer. Read it.
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago
@nikitty020 "reading closed-minded without faith is nothing! "
hypocrite! YOU are the one reading it close-minded! You refuse to accept that you can't be wrong! HOW is that open minded? You're also implying that you need to be gullible and ignorant in order to believe.
"ppl without faith dont know a thing about how God works."
you're describing self-delusion to a tee!
lennyhipp 9 months ago
@nikitty020 Faith is nothing!
MrMZaccone 9 months ago
@nikitty020 Wow. I read some of your comments here because a lot of people seem to be respnding to you. I finally found something that makes sense. You say that science cannot answer everything and that's true! Wow. You're a genius! Unfortunately for you, this is why we have philosophy
Pigroota 9 months ago
@nikitty020 Furthermore, if your god is incomprehensible, then how is the bible going to give me any way to comprehend anything about him?
Your words remember.
I can tear apart the credibility of your bible with far more than just Matthew 18:19. And while we are on that subject, until you can provide a believable rational for why Matthew 18:19 is somehow not relevant, or doesn't apply, you are on horribly shaky grounds for credibility yourself.
Documented prayer healing? Citation needed.
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake "I can tear apart the credibility of your bible with far more than just Matthew 18:19. "
lol i'd like to see u try! u think billions would believe if that were possible? its not possible because u werent around thousands of yrs ago to prove stories didnt happen, u havent passed away yet and had judgement day, and u deny any proof of God u do see.
"Documented prayer healing? Citation needed." lol TURN ON THE TV. its broadcast all over the nation! since u don't go to church.
nikitty020 10 months ago
@nikitty020 YEs, and how many televangelist/faith healers have proven to be frauds? Just check with James Randi and the associated courts of law those individuals have been taken to. Additionally, millions believe because, on the whole, humans are ignorant creatures that look for simple, quick answers to difficult problems (like mortality). Religion provides quick, simple answers in spades with little concern over the accuracy of its answers. Just because billions do it doesn't make it right.
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake "YEs, and how many televangelist/faith healers have proven to be frauds?" clearly not all of them since ppl still go to them. u try to focus on the false ppl to prove your claims yet u leave out all the honest ppl who really do heal ppl. i know all arent frauds as i've been in church and witnessed things for myself... from bishops and pastors not just any "faithhealer" how can one convince themselves all r false? its not logical. ppl witnessed these healings!
nikitty020 10 months ago
@nikitty020 Demonstrate with repeatable, testable, quantifiable hard scientific evidence that some, rather ANY, of those faith healers have actually had any impact on any serious health condition up to and including complete reversal/cessation of illness/injury, and I might believe you have a case. Until then, you're expecting me to simply believe your claims, which I don't.
I find it far more statistically likely that there simply are a great many gullible people believing demonstrable frauds.
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago
@nikitty020 people still go to proven frauds.
doaftheloaf 10 months ago
@nikitty020 doctors heal people, you fucking disgrace to humanity.
JohnF30Music 10 months ago 60
@JohnF30Music GOD gives man knowledge to heal people,that includes doctors,clean up your mouth punk
cmcneill60 8 months ago
@cmcneill60 no he didn't. god didn't give anyone the knowledge.
JohnF30Music 8 months ago
@JohnF30Music where does knowledge come from then??and think about how complex the human body is,the brain,the eyes,the bones in our feet,the bone in your head, whats the odds of such a complex body just comeing into an existence without a HIGHER POIWER,slim to none,NOW THAT TAKES FAITH,pull your head out of your arse,you atheist are stupid and you dont have a clue,so keep your big trap shut
cmcneill60 8 months ago
@cmcneill60 What are the odds that human beings came to exist without a god existing? I have a better question; what are the odds that some nut on youtube (you) is right, and all of the scientists are wrong?
ninjajesus81 8 months ago 3
@ninjajesus81 i know the HOLY SPIRIT and HE indwells me,you and your scientists are in trouble,argue all you want,truth is truth,your headed for a bad place,GOD doesnt want that but HE gives humanity freedom of choice,HE will say to you did you accept my provision in my SON for forgiveness of sin and spiritual life and you will say HUH?? WHAT?? i never knew GOD and HE will bring this conversation up and say your without excuse,depart from me,not good,put trust in GOD not scientist
cmcneill60 8 months ago
@cmcneill60 So what I understand from this is 1) You think you can see into the future. 2) You think you're perfect and you can't be wrong. You won't even accept that as a possibility.
You're arrogant and deluded. You're trying to scare an atheist with threats of god? How can you not realize that makes zero sense?
Do you believe in Pokemon? No? Then would it make sense for me to try to scare you with tales of Charizard?
Can you prove one god damn thing you've said? Of course not, so stop.
ninjajesus81 8 months ago
@ninjajesus81 GOD knows the future HE is the alpha and omega,your future is sad on your current path,your killing the messenger. you need to be scared of hell,its a bad place and its forever,GOD made that reality not me, as far as proof i could go on with many expieriences but your heart isnt right.its proud like GOD needs to march to your drummer YOUR DREAMING, HE is the CREATOR and KING
cmcneill60 8 months ago
@cmcneill60 If god knows the future, let him tell me. Right now you're just talking out of your ass. You don't know the future, yet you're sitting there telling me about it.
Your proof is where? Your experiences? Even if you've had experiences, why should I believe you based on your experiences? People say they've been abducted by aliens. Should I believe them based on THEIR experiences?
ninjajesus81 8 months ago
@cmcneill60 If god knows the future and everything that will happen, then there is no such thing as free will and you're trying to divert god's plan by proselytizing and converting people to Christianity.
However, if people actually DO have free will, then your god CANNOT know the future because the free choices of humans have the power to change the future.
You're not much on critical thinking, are you?
ciaochowbella 8 months ago
@ciaochowbella HE created people and is soverign,HE knows you better than you know yourself and knows what you and i will do,im not trying to convert anyone,just telling you that i have had things happen in life where i know GOD and the devil exist, its a mystery to me why HE has let me see so much and people like you nothing?? kinda sad, to me your thinking is very limited you leave the CREATOR out of the creation,only GOD can convert people,although HE does use people in the proscess
cmcneill60 8 months ago
@cmcneill60 Before you start claiming "HE" did this and "HE" did that, you need to prove "HE" exists.
Unless and until you can offer evidence for the existence of your god, all your claims are bullshit and all your threats are petty chest pounding.
However, your definition of your god makes him an impossibility.
BTW, I am evolved. DO NOT denigrate me and the accomplishment of my ancestors by saying we're merely an art-n-crafts project of some petty celestial tyrant. I'm better than that
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@cmcneill60
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors busty sexy wife. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
TheFockerizer 8 months ago
@cmcneill60
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said "holy fucking shit!" (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV
TheFockerizer 8 months ago
@cmcneill60
"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Justin Biebers. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Biebers, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."
TheFockerizer 8 months ago
@cmcneill60
"where does knowledge come from then?"
Other humans. It's called teaching and learning. I didn't learn my alphabet and my numbers from divine intervention. My parents taught me. And doctors didn't learn about the human body from God either, they learned that from other doctors.
Charmolution 8 months ago
@cmcneill60 They found it themselfes, LOL. IM sorry to inerrupt here, but you are arguing from ingorance. The knowledge comes from investigation and following the evidence, no god ever told a doctor how to cure anything.
gulbirk 8 months ago
@JohnF30Music ahah so much hate between the atheist and theist sides. Only heat generates light my friend. Conflict is how we grow. And I'm right here fighting with you the whole way my atheist brother :P
Freethinker12341 4 months ago
@Freethinker12341 wow thats a very "satanic" outlook but I have to agree, only through tribulation can we grow
BlackMetalWorld 4 months ago
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Freethinker12341 4 months ago
@BlackMetalWorld lol satanic? its the truth. imagine a society where everyone was forced to be agreeable and peaceful argument was discouraged and not allowed. sounds rather totalitarian to me. in America, if you're regarded as someone who attempts to unify different groups you're praised but sometimes unity can be an illusion. a false feeling of unity, and a false feeling of unity is not worth having. division and conflict is how we TRULY come together and grow (in the end).
Freethinker12341 4 months ago
@BlackMetalWorld What I just described sums up the concept of the dialectic in marxism
Freethinker12341 4 months ago
@nikitty020 People have watched Penn and Teller shoot each other and catch the bullets in their teeth. The difference between an Illusionist and a fraudster is whether or not they let you know they are fucking with you. If you know someone who is able to do these things, they should take the James Randi challenge & maybe donate the money to charity. Pretty sad too if faith healers were actually real. Having to brown nose that much to get your god to get off his ass and fix people.
mistereveready 10 months ago
@nikitty020 Hey any update on the application of faith healing working in a hospital?
wowamonn 8 months ago
@nikitty020 Millions believed the Earth was flat once. Millions believed man would never fly. Millions believed the moon was something supernatural, and never believed we would visit it. Millions thought the sun revolved around the Earth. Those millions were dead wrong. So clearly belief has absolutely no impact on fact. Millions don't believe in evolution, but that doesn't stop it from being a fact. Perhaps, like the flat Earth, we'll come to a time when the fact is accepted over the fiction.
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago 2
@nikitty020 Finally, I don't have to try. Have a good read through of the Skeptics Annotated Bible (if you have the guts to) and then tell me your bible is chock full of some of the most misinformed, misanthropic, bigoted, genocidal, contradictory rubbish ever written.
I don't think you will. You're comfortable in your ignorance, and blind to anything that questions your equally blind faith. Even if you did, you'd look at it through the lens of faith, which is incapable of objectivity.
GermanChocolateCake 10 months ago
@nikitty020 "u think billions would believe if that were possible?"
argumentum ad popularum logical fallacy. there's more than a billion muslims too. You think billions of muslims would believe in allah is the one true god and that jesus wasn't a messiah, if it weren't true? your argument defeats itself
"because u werent around thousands of yrs ago to prove stories didnt happen"
and YOU weren't around to prove they DID happen. sorry to break it to you: the onus of evidence is on YOU!
lennyhipp 9 months ago
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@nikitty020 Please tell me 2 months later you are smarter and still not this stupid.
Judicial78 7 months ago
@nikitty020 there is also star trek and battlestar gallactica broadcast WORLDWIDE... so those must be MORE true. also; doesnt god explain that man cant know his will? so how do you?
gr8z0mbiejesus 6 months ago
@gr8z0mbiejesus there is no connection between the two therefore you have no argument. just denial. and God's will is in the bible. God NEVER said we werent supposed to know his will. if we didnt know his will how would we know what commandments to follow and make apart of our religion? u make no sense.
nikitty020 6 months ago
But when you accept God and His Word, you can understand how Genesis explains the death and suffering as a result of the failure of humanity, not God. Amputations are one element of the consequences of death, degradation, and suffering that humanity and all creation bear because of our rebellion and sin (Romans 8:22). But even amid and through that suffering, God works His perfect will (Romans 8:28), and one day there will be no more pain for His people (Revelation 21:4).
George0025 9 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake Disputing the accuracy of your question doesn’t ultimately matter, though; even if we agreed that amputations were extremely common during Bible times and that the Bible doesn’t record any, that in no logical way disputes God’s existence or omnipotence. Besides, if you accept the argument against God on the basis of the evil around us, then miracles aren’t going to change your mind, anyway (Matthew 12:39).
George0025 9 months ago
@George0025 Indeed, the lack of evidence disputes the existence of god(s). Same with miracles.
GermanChocolateCake 9 months ago
@George0025 First you would have to define a miracle in such a way that one could differentiate between a miracle and just recovering naturally.
halonone 8 months ago
@halonone just the body having the ability to recover naturally is evidence of GOD
cmcneill60 8 months ago
@cmcneill60 no it's not. it's evidence for evolution
JohnF30Music 8 months ago
@cmcneill60 Please take some time to briefly understand biology before throwing out sentences like this. Or if possible, explain to me how you think natural recovery is evidence for a supernatural being and how one could demonstrate this, as opposed to one just using as an argument on YouTube.
halonone 8 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake ha ha they know it won't work and they'll try to make up any excuse for their god as to why it didn't work lol Typical religious bullshitters.
fourtywpm 7 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake u should look at the full contecst of the passage,not just one verse...This is just childish.....
MrUrosSrb 4 months ago
@MrUrosSrb "Context" is a very old and broken evasion technique. You'll have to do better than that. Besides, I've read the whole thing (a tedious and unpleasant task). Context is frequently thrown out as a counter even in the face of surrounding passages doing exactly nothing to counter or alter the context of the passage cited. taking any verse at face value is reasonable and even expected when you are talking about a book supposedly meant to clearly convey messages and teaching to all people.
GermanChocolateCake 3 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake I suggest u read a real Bible study on thsis passage...pleaes dont be so childish,and take every word literaly,and even so when somebody is praying he has to fully believe in it without having doubts,thats why some prayers go unanswered.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb A subtle variation on the no true Scotsman. The is nothing childish in expecting plain language translations to convey a message clearly and unambiguously. See your argument of context and interpretation are just methods to try to exploit ambiguity to allow for whatever interpretation you agree with.
GermanChocolateCake 3 months ago
@nikitty020 But sometimes god doesn't answer, right?
LesPaul2006 8 months ago
@nikitty020 Evidence that your claim is true?
Antibaryon 10 months ago
lol @ Richard Dawkins
jupitercrash07 11 months ago
He would have to create a universe out of nothing in 6 days
Or at least a man from dust
adey5 11 months ago
My grandmother told me that matt dillahunty is a tranny
heribertoc9 11 months ago
world peace is so nebulous. We need to be at least a little more specific. How about start praying for a true and free election in Egypt. Now that's something more specific on the way to peace.
steffyb528 11 months ago
@bmatsnig "but rather, that people would freely come to know of Him." Wich is kind of difficult if he consistently hides himself, sends conflicting "revelations" and molds reality in such a way that it is completely incompatible with any of these "revelations". If god's realy, he's for sure a bastard who enjoys seeing people fight about it.
ScientificBob 11 months ago
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
I love Carl Sagen, but seriously, that statement is wicked. Either there is evidence for something or there is none.
PokeRapper5000 11 months ago
@PokeRapper5000 That's not the point of the statement. The point is that the level of evidence required is related to the "wickedness" of the claim. For example, if a friend tells me that he saw a car crash last night, I'll simply believe him without asking for evidence. It's not an extra ordinary claim, car crashes happen all the time. Now, if he would say "they were gonna crash, but then suddenly this one car defied gravity and flew over the car he was gonna hit"...
ScientificBob 11 months ago
How ironic. I lost my keys yesterday, and got depressed cause I keep doing stupid things. Then I fell back on an old habit. I prayed. Not to find my keys, but for God to help me with my depression. Well, Im no longer depresed, but my keys are still lost. But I still haven't gone back to Xianity
xcellken1 11 months ago
I'm an Atheists who views my catholic background more like a good luck charm !... So what there is no God !.....One Billion + people cling to the ancients for purpose and the power of the congregation !.Through time i have redifined my beliefs to less offend the simple minded... " I'm not smart enough NOT to believe in God but there is no heaven and hell... when U die U turn to Shit !" Telling a feable minded person there is no God is cruel .. So what U know the truth !
13lael 11 months ago
If the world doesn't end in 2012, which I will bet my eternal soul it won't, then I want any Christian reading this comment to become an atheist. Seriously, Christians, you guys are running out of chances. Your god has delayed salvation for long enough. If you're willing to wait forever, then you are showing your own stubbornness. Please respond if you are willing to take this bet.
MunkyDrag0n 1 year ago
@MunkyDrag0n uh no because Christianity doesn't teach the world will end in 2012. That's the Mayan calendar. The Bible says we cannot know when the end will happen. And salvation happens everyday in individual hearts.
steffyb528 11 months ago
@steffyb528 That's unbelievable! So you all are willing to wait forever for the end, making our lives miserable every step of the way? Salvation happens every day. So does anger, sorrow, depression, and suicide. When will you realize that for every person who is happy and content there are a hundred more who are destitute? What will you tell them? "God loves you but not enough to lift a finger to help?" That's pretty low even if you say it with the best intentions.
MunkyDrag0n 11 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Yes, I am willing to wait. Actually, I will probably die around 70 years of age like most Americans. In the meantime, yes there is much suffering in the world as I do see it in the kids that pass my way and for now God has us to help. I try to let Him use me everyday by taking needy children in my country into my home while their parents work to get off drugs and giving what little money I can to charities that help others. He uses us to lift that finger.
steffyb528 11 months ago
@steffyb528 I respect you for helping children, but you make God look like a coward. So every human is a puppet of God? Would you help those children if God did not exist and you just felt sorry for them? God has the power to create planets and life forms but cannot make crops grow in poor countries? He tells you to help. He tells others to take money from the poor, threaten others, and commit murder. Are these people puppets as well? For every good thing I see people do, I see a hundred bad.
MunkyDrag0n 11 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n I don't mean to make God out like that. He TELLS them to take money from the poor, threaten others? I seriously doubt that. Would I help if God did not exist? Maybe I would, but honestly I would be a completely different person if God didn't exist. Maybe I would be evil. I say it's hard to know what kind of person I would be as I experienced salvation of Jesus in my heart at 7 years old. Hard to know what I would do if He hadn't given me compassion.
steffyb528 11 months ago
@steffyb528 Politicians take money from the poor through taxes. Priests take money through donations they use for themselves. The US forces third world countries to pay taxes even though citizens live with less than a dollar a day. All of them claim God is on their side. Also the Westboro baptist church threatens veterans and gays. Conservatives threaten atheists and abortion advocates. I myself treat others with compassion and respect. I do this because I had been exposed to many kind people.
MunkyDrag0n 11 months ago