Legalization of Torture Part 1

[newbievamp2005]

How can you Torture a period?

[newbievamp2005]

Those who ever think of torture should be tortured for even considering it.

[55ella2007k]

@newbievamp2005 No. No torture, period. 

[GOTTshua]

Justice will take place, however, it will be the justice of YHWH since mankind's justice only exists to "protect" the guilty and oppress the poor.

I'd be glad to see another Nuremburg but even that was imperfect justice.

[brengale]

Well done Miss Ella! always good to hear your input and perspective on things taking place in our world

[KamikazeKoscki]

The use of torture deprives the society whose laws have been so egregiously violated of the possibility of rendering justice. Torture destroys justice. Torture in effect relinquishes this sacred right in exchange for speculative benefits whose value is, at the least, much disputed. Whistle blower are being killed by the elites, yet the news indicates their suicides, they know who the bonus money was given to, we know now too Diane Fienstein family.

[KamikazeKoscki]

Warrantless wiretapping certainly isnt mass disappearances of citizens, but it is a tool that keeps everyone in fear that they are next. It suppresses dissent and keeps people in fear for their basic safety, while around them their economic safety net is dismantled. America hadnt undergone enough of a shock to allow, for instance, Social Security privatization, but in Chile and the other Friedmanite regimes, torture and repression left people unable to fight back.

[55ella2007k]

Exactly.

[LouieArrighi]

the US spent billions of dollars on false leads from Sheik Mohammed leading us on a wild goose hunt.

[cycimian]

Back in the 60zz, censory deprevation with a mild dose of LSD. Has cracked codes and all those who were subjected to it. The fear of Death through drowing is toruture. Since then they have made addvancements in my altering or Liberating drugs. The though of torture is Evil. When phycolocigical programs like censory dept and certain mind altering drugs were 99% effective. Torture is a tool to be exampled to the masses. Not the critical wittness to a possible WMD

[tenebroust]

My absolute bottom line on this issue is that if we legitimize torture FOR ANY REASON to ANYONE we are opening the door to having this applied here in America to our own citizens. There is much more to this issue of course, but that, in itself, is enough to give pause.

[55ella2007k]

tenebroust: yes, absolutely... I agree !

[FeelFreeToArgue]

I've been thinking in exactly those terms - "a legal fig leaf" - & trying to think where the blame should be placed. Even if they wanted more extreme forms of torture, I don't think the CIA is culpable. I find their lack of individual conscience disturbing, but don't feel comfortable blaming the instruments of policy.

The judgement of the lawyers should be handled by their professional organizations. They s/ be permanently disbarred. All in active service (like Jay Bybee) s/ be impeached.

[FeelFreeToArgue]

But all of these are a step removed in responsibility from the true architects of this policy. The ones who turned to the lawyers looking for whatever semi-plausible misreading of the Constitution would suffice for plausible deniability.

Shame on Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld, who fulfilled Osama bin Laden's dream of a blind, stupid, cruel and exploitative US response. Our torture made our attempts to install democracy in Iraq laughable, & was the prime recruitment tool for violent jihad.

[Heartbreakin]

Nice one Ella . Rham Emanuel asked me to relay a message to you .... here goes....Ahem ....

Dear Miss Ella:

GET OFF MY ASS !!...

Yours sincerly : the High and lofty one.

[valhala56]

Heard on the news that one of the terrorist's was water boarded 183 times. Wow, I don't think Imperial Japan during WW2 waterboarded American POW's more then a few times.

Post War some of the Japanese were convicted by US Military courts of water boarding American POW's and I believe they were executed for these crimes.

No doub't that torture was unaceptable in WW2 by US forces but now I suppose do to a change in sensibility towards our prisoners it is right to torture if we feel the need too.

[Jcabartlett]

great video Ella, you are so on target!

[Plutonwolf]

Did you see how the Bushies misquoted a scientist who wrote a book on sleep and cited a bit that said that going without sleep for 8-11 days would produce no lasting harm? Well, that is if the subject is in good shape and not subject to other stresses....like water boarding and wall chaining.

Did those planes on 9/11 crash into our souls and self respect? Did our consciences and reason collapse?

[FeelFreeToArgue]

The answer to your 2 questions at the end are yes and yes.

[mrgoodvibrations]

I am 48 and appalled at the mention of state sanctioned torture. I am surprised after taking a "straw" poll at work how many under 30 think it is acceptable. I expect torture to become "mainstream" in a short time look how the movies like "SAW" sell!(I never saw it, and won't) but soon speaking out will label you with the dreaded "T" word, and the torture van will hall you off. 1984 was 25 years late~

[55ella2007k]

mrgoodvibrations: I took a straw poll at work also: roughly 40% were ok with torture under certain circumstances. 10% saw no problem with it at all.

Very disturbing, to say the least...

[iMBBonlyone]

Bravo.

it DOES have lasting effects, including the ripple effect on all those who are connected to the one who has been physically tortured.

Been there.