I met Auld Joe when i was working in the Grassmarket, we wnt for a pint and he told me he owned half the street, i though aye mate, nae bother, i have to go back to work. thinking' he's fulla shite' went back to work and was told, Joe owns most of the Grassmarket! a very expensive piece of real estate in Edinburgh..
I was thinking on this , and Scotland for me was summed up after the attack on Glasgow Airport when the muslim community came out and marched against those bombing in their name, for the people who marched were Muslim , and equally they were Scots and proud , I have never seen that anywhere else.
It's this for this simple fact that I'm proud to be Scottish. It's not just because of heroes giving their lives to keep us free, or inventing half the modern world - it's because I'm a part of Scotland's story.
@MarvellousMuffin If you are born native to Scotland then yes you are Scottish and part of Scotland's story, if you were born native to Scotland to at least one Scottish parent then I agree you have an indigenous link, but if not then you are still a Scottish national at least, and still kinda part of the story of Scotland.
Frankly, I don't think blood matters at all. Or indigenous links, it's what our population considers itself. As long as there are people who consider themselves to be Scots or descendents of Scots then they are a part of our story.
The song deserves more recognition than it has. My god it's the truth. This isn't about Celtic blood and purity from the English, the population of an independent Scotland would be a construct of people who came from all over the world to be here.
ok you two go get a youtube scots/ irish history/geography page of your own . these guys wrote the song about MODERN DAY scotland and use their song to give a message of anti - racism . Personally i think ur both trying to out do one another with 'ive got greater knowledge' than you crap when really u both just look like two kids in a playground .
I love Celtic music and newfie music and I've been looking for good songs, any suggestions? (I like bands like "great big sea" and "the Irish descendants")
oh my does no one actually listen to the words ...we do not say we are italian , lithuanian etc.. but that people from these nations all chose scotland as their home. And italians have been here for years they brought their delicious ice cream with them :)
ronnoc1990 Nova Scotia it around your neck of the woods New Scotland. we, along with many other, made you. I feel an AC/DC track coming on no rap up this comment, so don't you cousins across the water all this gibbering back chat.
@segano1 If I am a plastic paddy, you're all plastic Ukrainians, Italians, Lithuanians, etc. Well that is good, only claim that you are Pictish then. Leave your fantasies to be part Ukrainian, Italian, Lithuanian, and so on out of it. You're not any of them.
@ronnoc1990 No we're not Plastic at all, because unlike you Yankee wankee Americunts, we don't pretend to be what we're not, we don't judge purely on far distant ancestry that has fuck all to do with us, the individual! most yanks ancestry isnt even what they think it is (as you Yankee tribes think), we don't pretend, we don't have to pretend, we just ARE, we were born here, its OUR country! Born & Bred, we contribute to OUR nation, we pay OUR taxes to OUR nation, we dont rip off others nations.
@johnjohnnyist not really. Since when have Ukrainians moved to Scotland lol? That is on the polar oppiste end of the continent. Or Lithuanians and Italians for that matter? No. The fact is you can't deal with the fact that your country sucks. Your cuisine is terrible, your history isn't particularly great, etc. Listen to yourselves, you are loose canons over it. You claim other ethnic groups as your own cause you can't get over the fact that your own culture sucks.
@segano1 it seems to me that the proclaimers here are proclaiming the same thing. lets see you are claiming to be irish, ukrainian, african, lithuanian, jewish, and italian. what other national cultures to we hi-jack? you people are lame scotts. get over it.
@ronnoc1990 The song is simply recognising the fact that all people in scotland, like EVERY country, are descended from immigrants - you just have to go back far enough.
U should come up with some more intelligent remarks if you want to do your country proud. Oh btw where was the first prime minister of canada from?
@ronnoc1990 Fuck off you Canuck Cunt! There were people in Scotland thousands of years before Ireland, the genetic research clearly shows that Scottish is Pictish by largest majority (75% upwards) with the 'OGAP4' haplotype marker, most Scots today have this marker in Scotland.
Blood lines can change all the time, like the Yankees and Canucks, they came from all over the world and have outbreed each other and mixed.
"And lame Scotts"? ROFL! It's spelt "Scots" not 'scotts' you illiterate bastard.
@ronnoc1990 Also If immigrants come into Scotland they adopt the Scottish culture they were born into you tit, they don't do what you Canucks and Yankees do where you worship one ancestor who was Scottish or Irish out of your 100's of other ancestors and then base your whole identity on that one ancestor, that's nothing but selective identity ad exactly the reason you're known as Plastics.
@segano1 Because the first person mentioned is a migrant who came to scotland from donegal in ireland. Obviously. Were you listening to the song at all?
@segano1 *sigh* the name "Scot" was the name given to Irish tribes that settled on the West coast, that nearly wiped out the Picts before both were unitied by Kennith MacAlpin in the 800's. Now can we stop fighting and sort out the Trump golf course nonsense?
@TherealMrChristophel = Another Plastic Paddie talking shite about another persons national history, aided by 100 years of national Catholic propaganda from Ireland coupled with the heavily biased annals of Ulster and the bullshit made up modern term of "Celtic" - invented in the mid 1800's by an English linguist.
You're hugely wrong there Yankee, and don't dare try to lecture me on my own nation, Yank!
The "Scotti" was a merely a Latinised name that had fuck all to do with Ireland.
@segano1 before accusing someone being american try looking at their channel first. also "Celt" was invented in the mis1700's by some of the first neo-pagans, who arranged stone circles made of pebbles on Primrose Hill, down in London.
@TherealMrChristophel Con't...Hence it's now agreed by historians that the Cruithne were a Pictish sea fairer tribe originally from Scotland much further back, who often travelled between S-W Scotland to N-E Ireland and back again. the modern archeological evidence and genetic research patterns also support this.
@TherealMrChristoph I didn't bother checking your channel first to see if you were a Yank, as your comments were akin to those of a typical ignorant sadly mis-guided Yankee, so speaking from experience of some of those Yanks who speak on our & others nations, I naturally put you down as just another one of them.
Celtic, in it's modern term, is a made up modern form used by a linguist in the 1800's to describe pre-Roman barbarians, it's linked to the historical term "Keltoi" - from Ancient greek.
@segano1 Additionally Celtic studies is an established academic pursuit as is linguistics. The fact remains that there are families of languages and cultural traits such as art forms, weapons, religious practice amongst others that were shared by a number of ancient ethnically diverse peoples. While it is now generally accepted amongst Irish academics that the "Celts" did not come to Ireland, the cultural influence did and was absorbed, added to and re-exported by our ancient Race.
Colmcille's work in founding Iona and his work amongst the Picts is an example, and they readily accepted him. Additionally the Picts would not have absorbed what they considered to be the language and literacy of cultural inferiors (the Gaidheals of Eiriú aka the Irish). Fiacre (France), Killian (Germany) and Columbanus (Bobbio), Aidan (Lindisfarne) are other examples. All these men (and women) brought their considerable learning, culture, faith & abilities (rooted in Irish culture) to bear...
@TherealMrChristophel The Scots are Caledonian Picts by Massive majority witch are largely related to the original natives of Scotland, the OGAP4 haplotype code taken from over 12 years of research (1996~2008) proves this. The Irish largely came from 'Celt' (C18th modern term) Gael invaders from Iberia (Modern day Spain), Scottish land and population pre-dates Ireland's by thousands of years, Ireland was the last place in Europe to be discovered and habited.
@segano1 the whole point of this song is that anyone from anywhere that is living in Scotland are just as Scottish as anyone you could care to mention. They're ALL Scotland story, and they're ALL worth the same.
@TherealMrChristophel Also, Dál Riata was only 1/4 the size of the Caledonian Picts (early Scots) territory. Dál Riata took several heavy defeats, were wiped out at the 'battle of Degsastan' to which they became subject to the Picts who reclaimed back the land.
Scotland's first kings were Picts who supported Gaelic, it's useful script already intertwined with Christianity, The Kingdom of Scotland was a direct continuation of Kingdom of Alba from the 900's onwards by Pictish King Constantine II.
It is noteworthy that when in 614AD King Aethelfrith (who defeated Aeded at Degestan) is killed in the battle of the River Idle, his sons, Oswald and Oswiu, take refuge with Eochaidh Buidhe, king of Dal Riata son of Aeden. So an accommodation of sorts had been arrived at between them for this to even be considered a safe option by the sons of Aethelfrith. Note also the the venerable Bede, though a useful source for historians to reference, as a man of his time, was not beyond a bit of propaganda
@TherealMrChristophel Also, as the modernised term was re-defined to describe pre-Roman barbarians and group them all as the same when their not, it should be pointed out that they were not native at all & they never took over, they only started from 800BC~500BC.
It's this modern and re-defined "Celt" term which has confused people into grouping the Scots and Irish as the same people, and given the Irish a feasible excuse to claim Scottish culture and re-brand it as Irish from the early 1900's.
@segano1 ... on a medieval Europe that was in cultural turmoil. They and their learning, culture and acumen was respected, valued and sought after throughout the courts of Europe (England included). They were independent minded people who were unafraid to oppose Rome when necessary (standing down popes etc where they knew them to be out of order). Ultimately they failed to prevent the spread of the Rome-centric religion in England and had to withdraw after the Synod of Whitby in 664AD.
@TherealMrChristophel I'm well aware of what the song is trying to say, it's message is promoting anti-racism and showing that people are as equal as each other, no better, no worse.
But I disagree that the term 'Scot' applies to an individual simply just because you went on holiday there to live if you weren't born and bred there by native birth right.
You're view seems to be at odds with the establishment and many people I've spoken to.
@segano1 As i read through some of your posts (some of which are interesting and worth considering), I can't help but detect some level of angst, that somehow, Irish people or others have an agenda centred on hijacking Scottish and revising history to their own ends. I can assure you that we have plenty to be proud of (and indeed cope with in our own culture) without burdening ourselves with another...
... While I respect , applaud and encourage your passion for Scottish culture, that passion ought not transgress to diminishing an extremely rich and vibrant "sister" culture, that shares much in common with yours. Again I would say that while our cultural similarities can be celebrated (e.g. pre-historical and historical ties, Atlantic seaboard peoples, sister native languages, shared fight for cultural survival etc), our differences should serve only to enrich the overall cultural weave... EOM
@TherealMrChristophel Incidently, the "Irish" were given that name by Pope Leo X in the 1600's.
"Scotti" was a Latinised form of the ancient Greek word "Skoto" (Darkland), Latinised to "Scotti" by Romans and re-defined to "Speaker of Gaelic" - which of course included the Caledonian Picts of Scotland as all Scotland's first kings were Picts who supported Gaelic.
"Picti" was just a nikname to refer to the early Scots by Romans to refer to blue tattoos and art they wore on their skin in battle.
@segano1 no actually, the picts spoke pictish, an ancient language, lost to the mists of time. the Roman used "scotia" to refer to a tribe in modern Scotland and the Gaels in Ireland, who founded the kingdom of Dál Riata, in the west of Scotland. The Irish flag, however, could also refer to the nearly one million Irish immigrants who left Ireland's povierty and famine in the 1800s.
@TherealMrChristophel No actually, the Picts language was supplanted into what's now modern Scots-Gáidhlig, several Pictish root words are still used in it, 'ALBA' - Scotland's real name for one, is a Pictish root word that is cognate with the entire isles ancient name 'ALBION'. The tribe in Ulster was not called 'Scotia', they did not speak Latin then, they were known by Irish of Connacht and Munster as 'Cruithne' - old Irish for tribe of designs, Irish called everyone in Scotland by that name.
@segano1 I think (in using the word 'Cruithne' that you are referring to oral lore that was recorded in the 13-14th Century Irish manuscript Leabhar Mór Leacain (great book of Lecan) written by Giolla Íosa Mac Firbisigh in Sligo under the patronage of the O'Dowds. He records Cruithne son of Cuinge as the first king of the Picts amongst whose seven sons Pictland was divided. Criuthne MAY be derived from the Gaeilge 'Cruth' meaning a shape or design.
@segano1 Gaeilge however being classified a c-Celtic language the 'c' in Cruithne becomes a 'p' and Cruithne becomes Pruithne which MAY refer to Pretanic Isles of Pytheas of Massalia's fame. The fact that Ptolmy's map show Cruithne as a tribe living in north-eastern Ireland is interesting as is the fact that he shows Menapii living in the Wexford area but not conclusive as his map is not the result of a precise scientific geographic nor ethnographic study in 150AD.
@segano1 There were a number of ulster tribes and the one identified as 'Voluntii' on Ptolemy's 150AD Map MAY be associated with the tribe Ulaidh who give the province it's name. Scotii was a nickname given by the Romans to the Irish sea raiders making incursions on their western territories and the Name followed the Dal Riataigh to Scotland. The (9th Century) Irish theologian, philosopher and adviser to the Carolingian kings of the time was called Johannes Scotus Eriugena (the Irish-born Scot)
In the 9th century Ireland was sometimes referred to as ‘Scotia Maior’ and its inhabitants as ‘scotti. Additionally you have to be very careful with the assertion that the Dal Riataigh were destroyed or that there influence was obliterated post the battle of Degsastan. (Note this post should sit between the posts on Johannes Scotus Eriugena and the death in 614Ad of Aethelfrith...
I remember being a 2nd grade kid, this was my favorite band. I listened to nothing else. I made a scrapbook of various things I had collected over the year related to the band and had it sent backstage when I saw em, and I remember this song distinctly cuz they guys dedicated it to my then 7year old ass. They were some cool folks. it's hard to believe that was a whole 10 years ago. Revisiting this stuff after years of nothing but hard rock and metal makes one appreciate GOOD folk music like this
@ ronnoc1990 if u listened to the words its about those who emigrated to scotland not about who we scots decend from. for those who chose to come to scotland and settle down thats what makes them part of scotland's story
scotland is fucking lame. ireland ftw!!! you guys seem to think you descend from everybody when you can't come to the realization that you are lame intestine eating, skirt wearing, fuckjobs.
@ronnoc1990From your comments you sounded a retarded american. looking at your profile,I am disappointed you are Canadian. Dissapointing as i thought candians were brighter, had more foresight and less bigoted stereotypical ignorance than some loud mouths of aforementioned country. read more books before you slag a nation, U will discover Ireland and scotland are practically Brothers.slag one and you insult the other.an insult to Canada too as scots have a huge history in Canada.ALBA GU BRATH
Halo4L your suggestion is a good one and is also a policy suggestion of the Scottish National Party - a "Federation of British States". We have so much shared history and culture that we would often work together and find common cause in the EU, but where our national interests differ we can simply 'beg to differ' and do our own thing. Scottish Nationalists are not anti-England or Britain and this would be our preferred future together on these islands.
Why don't you adopt a system like under the American Constitution? Become a collection of sovereign and independent but federated states. A nation of mini-nations, basically.
I agree benny, everyone has to have their freedom BEFORE they can work together and stamp out tyrants, dictators, and genocidal maniacs. It wont work unless people feel free, and as long as Scots feel trapped, our potential IS trapped. We Scots cant, through any fibre of our body, understand, how being a sub region of the UK, in any way makes up for a ground breaking, forward looking, wealthy country, if the UN could talk it'd say "where the hell are you Scotland, we need you"
Never an immigrant, born and bred and family from the Black Isle
argyll1854 3 weeks ago
I miss my accent. Even if people did make me say things just to hear it and laugh a little. Thanks mother and father.
mmafanatic91 1 month ago
we are all scots , the best little country in the world , those who disagree " bite ma shite "
bagmanrobbo 2 months ago
I'm english but i wish i'd been born in scotland.......just for the accent and the right to wear a kilt..
mynameislort 3 months ago
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sometimes i pee on the side of the toilet bowl just coz its quieter
TomTawksTV 3 months ago
every day i wake up, i look at the sky and i thank the good lord above that i'm scottish! :)) x
n1k1k1i1 4 months ago 3
I met Auld Joe when i was working in the Grassmarket, we wnt for a pint and he told me he owned half the street, i though aye mate, nae bother, i have to go back to work. thinking' he's fulla shite' went back to work and was told, Joe owns most of the Grassmarket! a very expensive piece of real estate in Edinburgh..
bennyfaethebrig 4 months ago
I was thinking on this , and Scotland for me was summed up after the attack on Glasgow Airport when the muslim community came out and marched against those bombing in their name, for the people who marched were Muslim , and equally they were Scots and proud , I have never seen that anywhere else.
angelusuk1a 5 months ago 7
like the song, like the sentiment, thx for the post.
edward0988 6 months ago
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oskaras77 7 months ago
It's this for this simple fact that I'm proud to be Scottish. It's not just because of heroes giving their lives to keep us free, or inventing half the modern world - it's because I'm a part of Scotland's story.
MarvellousMuffin 7 months ago 2
@MarvellousMuffin If you are born native to Scotland then yes you are Scottish and part of Scotland's story, if you were born native to Scotland to at least one Scottish parent then I agree you have an indigenous link, but if not then you are still a Scottish national at least, and still kinda part of the story of Scotland.
Calengela 6 months ago
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Frankly, I don't think blood matters at all. Or indigenous links, it's what our population considers itself. As long as there are people who consider themselves to be Scots or descendents of Scots then they are a part of our story.
MarvellousMuffin 6 months ago
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The song deserves more recognition than it has. My god it's the truth. This isn't about Celtic blood and purity from the English, the population of an independent Scotland would be a construct of people who came from all over the world to be here.
MarvellousMuffin 7 months ago
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MarvellousMuffin 7 months ago
"The golden age, we'll then revive, each man shall be a brother,
In harmony we all shall live and till the earth together,
In virtue trained, enlightened youth shall move each fellow creature,
And time shall surely prove the truth that man is good by nature". Rabbie Burns
CountryQuestion 7 months ago
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CountryQuestion 7 months ago
The perfect counter to the despicable "Famine Song"
michaelkyoo777 8 months ago 2
ok you two go get a youtube scots/ irish history/geography page of your own . these guys wrote the song about MODERN DAY scotland and use their song to give a message of anti - racism . Personally i think ur both trying to out do one another with 'ive got greater knowledge' than you crap when really u both just look like two kids in a playground .
paulinesmith44 8 months ago
I love Celtic music and newfie music and I've been looking for good songs, any suggestions? (I like bands like "great big sea" and "the Irish descendants")
Angel77777771 8 months ago
oh my does no one actually listen to the words ...we do not say we are italian , lithuanian etc.. but that people from these nations all chose scotland as their home. And italians have been here for years they brought their delicious ice cream with them :)
scotsgirl45 8 months ago
ronnoc1990 Nova Scotia it around your neck of the woods New Scotland. we, along with many other, made you. I feel an AC/DC track coming on no rap up this comment, so don't you cousins across the water all this gibbering back chat.
DorokusaiYT 8 months ago
Geez. I don't know why the Irish get such a bum rap for being "short tempered". I think that title goes to you lame ass "scots".
ronnoc1990 9 months ago
@ronnoc1990 ah yes but this "bum rap" is mainly given to the Irish by you Americans.
TherealMrChristophel 8 months ago
*polar opposite*
ronnoc1990 9 months ago
@segano1 If I am a plastic paddy, you're all plastic Ukrainians, Italians, Lithuanians, etc. Well that is good, only claim that you are Pictish then. Leave your fantasies to be part Ukrainian, Italian, Lithuanian, and so on out of it. You're not any of them.
ronnoc1990 9 months ago
@ronnoc1990 No we're not Plastic at all, because unlike you Yankee wankee Americunts, we don't pretend to be what we're not, we don't judge purely on far distant ancestry that has fuck all to do with us, the individual! most yanks ancestry isnt even what they think it is (as you Yankee tribes think), we don't pretend, we don't have to pretend, we just ARE, we were born here, its OUR country! Born & Bred, we contribute to OUR nation, we pay OUR taxes to OUR nation, we dont rip off others nations.
segano1 8 months ago
@johnjohnnyist not really. Since when have Ukrainians moved to Scotland lol? That is on the polar oppiste end of the continent. Or Lithuanians and Italians for that matter? No. The fact is you can't deal with the fact that your country sucks. Your cuisine is terrible, your history isn't particularly great, etc. Listen to yourselves, you are loose canons over it. You claim other ethnic groups as your own cause you can't get over the fact that your own culture sucks.
ronnoc1990 9 months ago
@segano1 it seems to me that the proclaimers here are proclaiming the same thing. lets see you are claiming to be irish, ukrainian, african, lithuanian, jewish, and italian. what other national cultures to we hi-jack? you people are lame scotts. get over it.
ronnoc1990 9 months ago
@ronnoc1990 The song is simply recognising the fact that all people in scotland, like EVERY country, are descended from immigrants - you just have to go back far enough.
U should come up with some more intelligent remarks if you want to do your country proud. Oh btw where was the first prime minister of canada from?
Scotland!
johnjohnnyist 9 months ago 14
@johnjohnnyist ur full of shite! moan eh scots! :)
n1k1k1i1 5 months ago
@n1k1k1i1 I'll drink tae that laddie!!!!
smiddtendo64 4 months ago
@ronnoc1990 Fuck off you Canuck Cunt! There were people in Scotland thousands of years before Ireland, the genetic research clearly shows that Scottish is Pictish by largest majority (75% upwards) with the 'OGAP4' haplotype marker, most Scots today have this marker in Scotland.
Blood lines can change all the time, like the Yankees and Canucks, they came from all over the world and have outbreed each other and mixed.
"And lame Scotts"? ROFL! It's spelt "Scots" not 'scotts' you illiterate bastard.
segano1 9 months ago
@ronnoc1990 Also If immigrants come into Scotland they adopt the Scottish culture they were born into you tit, they don't do what you Canucks and Yankees do where you worship one ancestor who was Scottish or Irish out of your 100's of other ancestors and then base your whole identity on that one ancestor, that's nothing but selective identity ad exactly the reason you're known as Plastics.
segano1 9 months ago
@ronnoc1990 in fairness isreal was only set up in 1948 so I think they are just saying were all worth the same
TheCiller10 9 months ago
What's with the Irish flag at the start, the Scots aren't Irish at all.
Picts = Scots!
segano1 9 months ago
@segano1 Because the first person mentioned is a migrant who came to scotland from donegal in ireland. Obviously. Were you listening to the song at all?
johnjohnnyist 9 months ago
@segano1 *sigh* the name "Scot" was the name given to Irish tribes that settled on the West coast, that nearly wiped out the Picts before both were unitied by Kennith MacAlpin in the 800's. Now can we stop fighting and sort out the Trump golf course nonsense?
TherealMrChristophel 8 months ago
@TherealMrChristophel = Another Plastic Paddie talking shite about another persons national history, aided by 100 years of national Catholic propaganda from Ireland coupled with the heavily biased annals of Ulster and the bullshit made up modern term of "Celtic" - invented in the mid 1800's by an English linguist.
You're hugely wrong there Yankee, and don't dare try to lecture me on my own nation, Yank!
The "Scotti" was a merely a Latinised name that had fuck all to do with Ireland.
segano1 8 months ago
@segano1 before accusing someone being american try looking at their channel first. also "Celt" was invented in the mis1700's by some of the first neo-pagans, who arranged stone circles made of pebbles on Primrose Hill, down in London.
TherealMrChristophel 8 months ago
@TherealMrChristophel Con't...Hence it's now agreed by historians that the Cruithne were a Pictish sea fairer tribe originally from Scotland much further back, who often travelled between S-W Scotland to N-E Ireland and back again. the modern archeological evidence and genetic research patterns also support this.
segano1 8 months ago
@TherealMrChristoph I didn't bother checking your channel first to see if you were a Yank, as your comments were akin to those of a typical ignorant sadly mis-guided Yankee, so speaking from experience of some of those Yanks who speak on our & others nations, I naturally put you down as just another one of them.
Celtic, in it's modern term, is a made up modern form used by a linguist in the 1800's to describe pre-Roman barbarians, it's linked to the historical term "Keltoi" - from Ancient greek.
segano1 8 months ago
@segano1 Additionally Celtic studies is an established academic pursuit as is linguistics. The fact remains that there are families of languages and cultural traits such as art forms, weapons, religious practice amongst others that were shared by a number of ancient ethnically diverse peoples. While it is now generally accepted amongst Irish academics that the "Celts" did not come to Ireland, the cultural influence did and was absorbed, added to and re-exported by our ancient Race.
irishhistoryman 8 months ago
Colmcille's work in founding Iona and his work amongst the Picts is an example, and they readily accepted him. Additionally the Picts would not have absorbed what they considered to be the language and literacy of cultural inferiors (the Gaidheals of Eiriú aka the Irish). Fiacre (France), Killian (Germany) and Columbanus (Bobbio), Aidan (Lindisfarne) are other examples. All these men (and women) brought their considerable learning, culture, faith & abilities (rooted in Irish culture) to bear...
irishhistoryman 8 months ago
@TherealMrChristophel The Scots are Caledonian Picts by Massive majority witch are largely related to the original natives of Scotland, the OGAP4 haplotype code taken from over 12 years of research (1996~2008) proves this. The Irish largely came from 'Celt' (C18th modern term) Gael invaders from Iberia (Modern day Spain), Scottish land and population pre-dates Ireland's by thousands of years, Ireland was the last place in Europe to be discovered and habited.
segano1 8 months ago
@segano1 the whole point of this song is that anyone from anywhere that is living in Scotland are just as Scottish as anyone you could care to mention. They're ALL Scotland story, and they're ALL worth the same.
TherealMrChristophel 8 months ago
@TherealMrChristophel Also, Dál Riata was only 1/4 the size of the Caledonian Picts (early Scots) territory. Dál Riata took several heavy defeats, were wiped out at the 'battle of Degsastan' to which they became subject to the Picts who reclaimed back the land.
Scotland's first kings were Picts who supported Gaelic, it's useful script already intertwined with Christianity, The Kingdom of Scotland was a direct continuation of Kingdom of Alba from the 900's onwards by Pictish King Constantine II.
segano1 8 months ago
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irishhistoryman 8 months ago
It is noteworthy that when in 614AD King Aethelfrith (who defeated Aeded at Degestan) is killed in the battle of the River Idle, his sons, Oswald and Oswiu, take refuge with Eochaidh Buidhe, king of Dal Riata son of Aeden. So an accommodation of sorts had been arrived at between them for this to even be considered a safe option by the sons of Aethelfrith. Note also the the venerable Bede, though a useful source for historians to reference, as a man of his time, was not beyond a bit of propaganda
irishhistoryman 8 months ago
@TherealMrChristophel Also, as the modernised term was re-defined to describe pre-Roman barbarians and group them all as the same when their not, it should be pointed out that they were not native at all & they never took over, they only started from 800BC~500BC.
It's this modern and re-defined "Celt" term which has confused people into grouping the Scots and Irish as the same people, and given the Irish a feasible excuse to claim Scottish culture and re-brand it as Irish from the early 1900's.
segano1 8 months ago
@segano1 ... on a medieval Europe that was in cultural turmoil. They and their learning, culture and acumen was respected, valued and sought after throughout the courts of Europe (England included). They were independent minded people who were unafraid to oppose Rome when necessary (standing down popes etc where they knew them to be out of order). Ultimately they failed to prevent the spread of the Rome-centric religion in England and had to withdraw after the Synod of Whitby in 664AD.
irishhistoryman 8 months ago
@TherealMrChristophel I'm well aware of what the song is trying to say, it's message is promoting anti-racism and showing that people are as equal as each other, no better, no worse.
But I disagree that the term 'Scot' applies to an individual simply just because you went on holiday there to live if you weren't born and bred there by native birth right.
You're view seems to be at odds with the establishment and many people I've spoken to.
segano1 8 months ago
@segano1 As i read through some of your posts (some of which are interesting and worth considering), I can't help but detect some level of angst, that somehow, Irish people or others have an agenda centred on hijacking Scottish and revising history to their own ends. I can assure you that we have plenty to be proud of (and indeed cope with in our own culture) without burdening ourselves with another...
irishhistoryman 8 months ago
... While I respect , applaud and encourage your passion for Scottish culture, that passion ought not transgress to diminishing an extremely rich and vibrant "sister" culture, that shares much in common with yours. Again I would say that while our cultural similarities can be celebrated (e.g. pre-historical and historical ties, Atlantic seaboard peoples, sister native languages, shared fight for cultural survival etc), our differences should serve only to enrich the overall cultural weave... EOM
irishhistoryman 8 months ago
@segano1 oh in which case you really need to specify whether you mean "scots" the ethnic group or "scots" as in anyone from Scotland.
TherealMrChristophel 8 months ago
@TherealMrChristophel Incidently, the "Irish" were given that name by Pope Leo X in the 1600's.
"Scotti" was a Latinised form of the ancient Greek word "Skoto" (Darkland), Latinised to "Scotti" by Romans and re-defined to "Speaker of Gaelic" - which of course included the Caledonian Picts of Scotland as all Scotland's first kings were Picts who supported Gaelic.
"Picti" was just a nikname to refer to the early Scots by Romans to refer to blue tattoos and art they wore on their skin in battle.
segano1 8 months ago
@segano1 no actually, the picts spoke pictish, an ancient language, lost to the mists of time. the Roman used "scotia" to refer to a tribe in modern Scotland and the Gaels in Ireland, who founded the kingdom of Dál Riata, in the west of Scotland. The Irish flag, however, could also refer to the nearly one million Irish immigrants who left Ireland's povierty and famine in the 1800s.
TherealMrChristophel 8 months ago
@TherealMrChristophel No actually, the Picts language was supplanted into what's now modern Scots-Gáidhlig, several Pictish root words are still used in it, 'ALBA' - Scotland's real name for one, is a Pictish root word that is cognate with the entire isles ancient name 'ALBION'. The tribe in Ulster was not called 'Scotia', they did not speak Latin then, they were known by Irish of Connacht and Munster as 'Cruithne' - old Irish for tribe of designs, Irish called everyone in Scotland by that name.
segano1 8 months ago
@segano1 I think (in using the word 'Cruithne' that you are referring to oral lore that was recorded in the 13-14th Century Irish manuscript Leabhar Mór Leacain (great book of Lecan) written by Giolla Íosa Mac Firbisigh in Sligo under the patronage of the O'Dowds. He records Cruithne son of Cuinge as the first king of the Picts amongst whose seven sons Pictland was divided. Criuthne MAY be derived from the Gaeilge 'Cruth' meaning a shape or design.
irishhistoryman 8 months ago
@segano1 Gaeilge however being classified a c-Celtic language the 'c' in Cruithne becomes a 'p' and Cruithne becomes Pruithne which MAY refer to Pretanic Isles of Pytheas of Massalia's fame. The fact that Ptolmy's map show Cruithne as a tribe living in north-eastern Ireland is interesting as is the fact that he shows Menapii living in the Wexford area but not conclusive as his map is not the result of a precise scientific geographic nor ethnographic study in 150AD.
irishhistoryman 8 months ago
@segano1 There were a number of ulster tribes and the one identified as 'Voluntii' on Ptolemy's 150AD Map MAY be associated with the tribe Ulaidh who give the province it's name. Scotii was a nickname given by the Romans to the Irish sea raiders making incursions on their western territories and the Name followed the Dal Riataigh to Scotland. The (9th Century) Irish theologian, philosopher and adviser to the Carolingian kings of the time was called Johannes Scotus Eriugena (the Irish-born Scot)
irishhistoryman 8 months ago
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In the 9th century Ireland was sometimes referred to as ‘Scotia Maior’ and its inhabitants as ‘scotti. Additionally you have to be very careful with the assertion that the Dal Riataigh were destroyed or that there influence was obliterated post the battle of Degsastan. (Note this post should sit between the posts on Johannes Scotus Eriugena and the death in 614Ad of Aethelfrith...
irishhistoryman 8 months ago
I remember being a 2nd grade kid, this was my favorite band. I listened to nothing else. I made a scrapbook of various things I had collected over the year related to the band and had it sent backstage when I saw em, and I remember this song distinctly cuz they guys dedicated it to my then 7year old ass. They were some cool folks. it's hard to believe that was a whole 10 years ago. Revisiting this stuff after years of nothing but hard rock and metal makes one appreciate GOOD folk music like this
drquesadilla 11 months ago
Who sings this. So true wish we all be that honest
hawickman 1 year ago
Scotland is a decent enough country, i would know, i live there so don't go dissing it when you live no where near it.
spiskifish 1 year ago
@ ronnoc1990 if u listened to the words its about those who emigrated to scotland not about who we scots decend from. for those who chose to come to scotland and settle down thats what makes them part of scotland's story
paulinesmith44 1 year ago
alba gu brath
MrBrassneck 1 year ago
scotland is fucking lame. ireland ftw!!! you guys seem to think you descend from everybody when you can't come to the realization that you are lame intestine eating, skirt wearing, fuckjobs.
ronnoc1990 1 year ago
@ronnoc1990From your comments you sounded a retarded american. looking at your profile,I am disappointed you are Canadian. Dissapointing as i thought candians were brighter, had more foresight and less bigoted stereotypical ignorance than some loud mouths of aforementioned country. read more books before you slag a nation, U will discover Ireland and scotland are practically Brothers.slag one and you insult the other.an insult to Canada too as scots have a huge history in Canada.ALBA GU BRATH
bluenose4344 1 year ago
@ronnoc1990 Canucks are gay weak accent lame plastic fucks with no identity of their own hence why you hi-jack other national cultures.
Fuck you Canuck Cunts.
segano1 9 months ago
we could use a dutch version of this song. we're all holland's story and we're all worth the same.
mannesijsma 1 year ago
it is a very respectful song.
arnoldklous 1 year ago
TheKingcamy - I concur saor alba
clery88 1 year ago
Halo4L your suggestion is a good one and is also a policy suggestion of the Scottish National Party - a "Federation of British States". We have so much shared history and culture that we would often work together and find common cause in the EU, but where our national interests differ we can simply 'beg to differ' and do our own thing. Scottish Nationalists are not anti-England or Britain and this would be our preferred future together on these islands.
PMechan 1 year ago
that bit with buchanan st and the saltire is crackin mate
joetavish 1 year ago
GREAT SONG! just a shame Brown Murphy dont agree!
mullac1980 1 year ago
brilliant song!! these boys are poets..
alfreddunn03 2 years ago
National Anthem? Just kidding nothing beats Flower Of Scotland
theholygoalienumber1 2 years ago
Im so with this song, i love english, but want to be independant, i think its right x
TheKingcamy 2 years ago 14
Why don't you adopt a system like under the American Constitution? Become a collection of sovereign and independent but federated states. A nation of mini-nations, basically.
Halo4Lyf 2 years ago
@TheKingcamy
I concur, saor alba x
clery88 1 year ago
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@TheKingcamy
I concur, saor alba x
clery88 1 year ago
@TheKingcamy I concur, saor alba x
clery88 1 year ago
@TheKingcamy I concur, saor alba x
clery88 1 year ago
@TheKingcamy good way of looking at it
ScrewedSongsStudio 1 year ago
@TheKingcamy I love the English too, I think they should be independant!
bennyfaethebrig 4 months ago
@bennyfaethebrig
I agree benny, everyone has to have their freedom BEFORE they can work together and stamp out tyrants, dictators, and genocidal maniacs. It wont work unless people feel free, and as long as Scots feel trapped, our potential IS trapped. We Scots cant, through any fibre of our body, understand, how being a sub region of the UK, in any way makes up for a ground breaking, forward looking, wealthy country, if the UN could talk it'd say "where the hell are you Scotland, we need you"
TheKingcamy 4 months ago
Charlie sings this one right?
mightybooshisluv 2 years ago
Class.
DaibhidhRothach 2 years ago
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DaibhidhRothach 2 years ago
fantastic song!!
walker287 2 years ago