LOL this video is pathetic lol u never evan pinned anything remotly valid???it was all lame bs that didnt make sence that you posted against 180 movie...you mean you cant do any better??? LOOOOOOOOOL hmm how many vews does ray comfort have on that video??2 mill+ and you???34k LOL and mostly dislikes you really out did yourself today beiber hahahaha
There are about 40 million abortions per year, world wide. Where they are not legal, women still have them, but they are much more dangerous. If that many women feel that strongly about controlling their reproduction, then who can tell them they are wrong? Pro-choice means, every pregnant woman decides for herself, nothing could be fairer.
(CNSNews.com) – According to its latest annual report, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) received $487.4 million in tax dollars over a twelve-month period and performed 329,455 abortions.Sometimes necessary? You actually believe that 329,455 abortions during a twelve month period were necessary? You are so naive.
@th3w01fv2 - No emotional appeal. It's not necessary. The truth speaks volumes. It's the killing of a human baby. You can lie and deny but you'll never be correct. You cannot even sensibly respond to the statistics I presented. 329, 465 babies murdered by that pure and simple procedure. You are amazingly dimwitted.
@jimjljensen Again you assume that a few cells = sentient Human. That's an error. You've been mislead by your pastors and other religious scam artists. An abortion is no different than the removal of tonsils or removing a wart, it's a medical procedure, to be used as directed.
You still haven't answered why you didn't invest into technology that would enable fetal transplant. You fail to provide a solution that doesn't violate the rights of women.
@th3w01fv2 And you again fail to acknowledge that life begins at conception. Same as removing tonsils? You are indeed sick, evil people. Like witches stirring the caldron, cackling every time an unborn is murdered. Abortion is murder. Even Jane Roe has seen the err of her ways and admits abortion is wrong. I pray that God will someday open your eyes but for some reason I believe it's too late for you.
@jimjljensen Wow you've crammed every little evangelical clichee you could cram into the 487 character limit could allow. You can call me every epithet in the book, it still won't convince me of your point. But please, feel free to make an ass of yourself.
Pro-choice means you're for whatever the other person decides but it doesn't state your personal point of view. Or does it? You cannot be against abortion and tell yourself it's okay if someone else chooses to kill their unborn baby. It doesn't work that way. There is no such thing as pro-choice. The issue is indeed black and white. For or against?
@jimjljensen *yawn* You do realize that your grandstanding means jack shit? An abortion is a medical procedure that is sometimes necessary. If you feel that strongly about it, then invest in research that makes it so that fetal transplants can be possible and you will make abortion a thing of the past.
@jimjljensen I'm pro-choice, I'm for the individual woman's right to choose what happens to her own body. Pro-abortion means that I want to force women to have abortion, pro-life means I want to force women to stay pregnant. Pro-choice means I'm leaving it up for the individual.
I'm pro-choice because my personal views on this is my own business, and shouldn't infringe on anyone's rights.
@jimjljensen I suspect you're new to this kind of debate? 1. I am pro-choice, I believe in the mother's rights first because she is the only one who can carry the child, so she has to be able to decide. 2. I care about the unborn life, but I can't make OTHER people care 3. my personal views is that I won't have an abortion, but that's my personal view, and just because I won't, I shouldn't force other people to do the same. 4. I am pro-choice, pro-abortion is to force people to have abortions.
@ittakesnogenius Being pro abortion by no means is defined by the forcing of abortion on anyone. How ridiculous. Calling yourself pro choice is a cop out by which you refuse to take a stand. Right or wrong? It is a black and white issue. You may personally choose not to get an abortion but otherwise the life of the unborn means nothing to you. If there is any definition for "pro-choice" it is the not giving a damn one way or the other. The unborn life means nothing to you.
@jimjljensen No, you're being ridiculous by not understanding the difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice. No one WANTS an abortion. I think it is right, and I've said it all along. It's not a cop-out, it's the truth. No matter what you want, you can't change the facts, and pro-choice and pro-abortion are two different things. Only allowing people to have 1 child is pro-abortion, for example, allowing the right to chose is pro-choice.
@jimjljensen the life of the unborn means a lot to me, however I cannot make other people care about it, and I value quality over quantity. My sister is currently pregnant and I assure you that I love the child in her tummy just as much as my already born nephew and niece, no doubt about it, can't wait to meet him or her sometime in the next 2 months. However, it's always my sister's choice to chose if she wants to be a mom again or not. ALWAYS.
@jimjljensen If I were pro-abortion I'd say to every woman "have an abortion", and I'd be just as horrible as the people who say "you have to stay pregnant". Both people say "you have no choice". What I'm saying "It's up to the individual to chose." = pro-choice.
Pro-life people came up with "pro-abortion" because we're saying "anti-choice". Anti-choice fits, pro-abortion is for a whooole other thing.
Abortion is genocide of the unborn. America's own personal holocaust. Unfortunately proponents of abortion have exported the killing of unborn babies worldwide.
While I don't buy the banana thing at all, I really think the 180 movie is worth watching. The arguments presented on BOTH sides are intriguing. Approach the movie with an open mind instead of immediately slamming it as "anti-choice propaganda". Hear what young people have to say about the issue.
@sineadbradyfan being from ray comfort im pretty sure its going to be shit and propoganda from start to finish however i will consider both sides when i watch it, even though like i said, its most likely going to be propaganda
@wearestarstuffsagan I think it's great that you'll consider both sides. Not to get all preachy and everything, but honestly, the only way we learn is by being open to what other people have to say, even if we don't agree with them. Also, a person can be totally off on one issue and lose some credibility, but that doesn't mean that all his other beliefs and opinions are necessarily wrong. They could be, it's true, but they may not be.
@sineadbradyfan Ray Comfort only presents logical fallacies. He doesn't debate, he uses the format of debate as a springboard for evangelism. Don't be fooled.
@th3w01fv2 It is not my intention to defend Ray Comfort's "debate format" in the last ten minutes of the film. So if, according to you, Ray Comfort only presents logical fallacies in his questioning of people about God and the afterlife, I would NOT vehemently oppose your claim. But if you argue that he presents logical fallacies on the issue of abortion AS SEPARATE from the issue of religion, I would strongly disagree, and ask that you clarify your point.
@sineadbradyfan Ray uses logical fallacies and propaganda techniques in all his ventures. It's not rocket science to figure this out, just look at his works with a critical eye.
@th3w01fv2 I'm talking about this "venture" in particular. The rest are immaterial for my argument, since Ray and I don't have the same views on religion. In the 180 video on the abortion segment only, what are his logical fallacies?
@th3w01fv2 Dude, you are seriously an idiot. The Reductio Ad Hitlerum only works when what is being criticized can't be directly compared to Nazi behavior -like I don't know um, BUTCHERING BABIES MAYBE?!!
@JohananRaatz what hitler did was genocide, "killing" embryos and fetuses does not fit into the definition of genocide: "The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of an entire national, racial, religious, or ethnic group". Abortion is not comparable to what Hitler did
@ittakesnogenius Ok, yes abortion is not trying to wipe out a particular group of people. They are still both mass murder on similar proportions however.
@JohananRaatz Use the right words, please. No, killing jews was never necessary, and jews did not inflict harm or potential harm, the responsibility of their survival did not rest on a single person. Pregnancy does. Jews were independent human beings, embryos and fetuses are not. And careful who you tell to shove it. Some one dear to you may have had an abortion, only you do not know about it. People don't blast it for everyone to hear, especially narrow minded and naive people like you
@JohananRaatz since people don't tend to blast their abortions around, there may be more, someone even closer to you. And that boyfriend wasn't pro-choice, he's just as anti-choice as you are, but the other way around.
You haven't even had a PERIOD and you're talking about pregnancy like it's the easiest thing possible. Try having a period first before even thinking about telling people that pregnancy is easy. Because this is what you're implying by being pro-life.
@ittakesnogenius A.) Choice isn't the issue here. Fetal rights is the issue. It doesn't matter if his GF got it of her own volition or if, or if he forced here too (though the later is more disgusting). The issue is that SOMEONE (be it the mother or the father) was disrespecting fetal rights. And that shouldn't be tolerated.
B.) "telling people that pregnancy is easy."
Did I say it was easy or hard? No, I said nothing on that. We are talking about fetal rights here.
@JohananRaatz But you are disrespecting women's rights to their bodies. Why should they have to go through a pregnancy? If it is hard on a woman, why should they have to go through a pregnancy. YOU'RE talking about fetal rights here, that's all you're talking about, I'm looking on both sides of the spectrum, and women's right to chose needs to be a part of the discussion, because no matter how you look at it, you're forcing a woman to do something against her will. It's almost comparable to rape
Yes, but they don't have a right to kill other people's bodies with their bodies.
"Why should"
Because they had the kid, and therefore have responsibility for it. Additionally considerations of utility tell us that: life >> autonomy. Thus life should be chosen over autonomy. I do bring both into the calculation though.
"against her will"
We make moms and dads responsible for their kids all of the time even if they don't want to be.
@JohananRaatz They don't kill them with their own bodies, they don't squeze the life out of them. NO they shouldn't have to have responsibility because they accidentally made the kid (they haven't "had the kid" until birth). Sex doesn't mean you have responisbility, it is the reason why people tend to get pregnant MOST of the time. And they should have children?
And no, we don't make them be responsible if they really don't want to. We call that adoption
"NO they shouldn't... accidentally" Sex doesn't mean you have responisbility,"
Sure it is. It's just a recognized sexual liability that sex means you might make a kid. And if you have a kid, then you are obviously parentally responsible for it.
"We call that adoption"
Well yes that's valid, but they have a parental responsibility to get the kid safely to that point.
@JohananRaatz you are assuming that all children will be treated well if they are just born, that if they have a child they will treat it well until they give it up for adoption etc. This is false. If people act irresposibly and have sex before they are ready/without contraceptives, how do you assume they will be responsible enough to take care of a child? I've seen a lot that suggests that a lot if parents are not (like FF their kids in their car before 1 (they should be RF till 3!!)).
@JohananRaatz I don't get "Why are they getting abortions then?"... they get them becaus ethey don't want to have children.
And I don't get how putting a penis into a vagina takes any responsibility. Anyone can do that. What takes responsibility is pregnancy, parenting AND abortion. For example... a 13 year old can have sex, is she responsible? How is it responsible to have sex, especially if you have a mentality like "it won't happen to me", that many teens have.
@JohananRaatz So basically you just want children to be born, and don't care if they're neglected all their lives, they just deserve to be born, even if they don't get support in their cognitive development so that they can't speak properly or at all by school age, get potty trained etc. Yeah, just so they're born.
And parents, no matter how good they are, won't be able to rule over their children's sexlives. Teens have sex, teens takes risk during sex. It's a part of their natural behaviour
@ittakesnogenius "and don't care if they're neglected all their lives"
I don't recall saying anything like that. Though yes everyone deserves to be born.
"rule over their children's sexlives."
Sure they can, and many have. It's just a matter of managed social conditioning. Sometimes a religious upbringing is helpful here as well. (fear of going to hell for sex is often a useful deterrent) Or simply spanking them early on so they have a proper fear of authority works too.
@JohananRaatz "I don't recall saying anything like that" well, I'm drawing conclusions, just like you are.
And here I am met with several things that are soo wrong. Teaching abstinence has been proven that it doesn't work, religion doesn't help either (and what about atheists?), and spanking to invoke fear? Are you serious? Spanking is wrong in general, but doing it to cause your child to fear you = child abuse. Wow, please don't become a dad.
Well I know for a fact that it works with some families, and all that needs to be done is to replicate those conditions.
"religion doesn't"
Homeschoolers for example are less likely to become atheists -like I said the right conditioning.
"spanking"
Well Pavlovian conditioning has been shown to work, and besides it's a lot better than having the kid knock someone up and have an abortion as a result. I mean what's worse, spanking or abortions?
@JohananRaatz Key word: SOME families. You forget we are unique individuals.
Homeschoolers are less likely because they are brainwashed. I'm an atheist, for me being religious is like a step down on the intelligence-ladder. It's brainwashing.
So, you admit to being a future child abuser. Please, don't have kids. I'm in a family of 5 kids who have worked out WONDERFULLY without spanking or a 5 minute method etc. Please, castrate yourself or something.
Well I wouldn't AIM to spank. I'm just noting that it worked well in my family growing up. Obviously we need to reproduce though to make the purple states go red!
"religious.. down on the intelligence"
I see. Things for you to look up then: "Simulation argument" "digital physics" & "Omega Point," to make things a bit weirder throw in "Orch-OR" and "hard problem of consciousness" too. Religion is important or you get existentialism.
@JohananRaatz So you isolate children, you abuse them, you make them fear you, you make them fear life and themselves (that's religion)... you consider this a healthy upbringing? How about teaching your children instead? Coach them, guide them through ups and downs that we all face in life? You want to shut them in a room and make them think like you, because you know that if led by free will, and by their own natural thoughts: they'll not agree with you.
@ittakesnogenius Here's the problem. If you don't have people raised with elements of religion, statistically what happens is that they end up with no morality, which is why we see places like Western Europe were religious observance is down end up as moral cesspools (the less religious the more so). This is not universal, but you have to think. We see cultures throughout the world regardless of particular religion producing the same kinds of mores. Nature did this for a reason.
No one needs religion for morals. In fact most crimes are committed by overly repressed religious people. The prisons are full of christians and VERY few atheists.
In theory no, in practice yes. As demonstration look at the support for Obama and his unethical policies. They are disproportionately favored by self-described secularists when compared to religious people.
"most crimes are committed"
Why commit crimes if you can simply legalize things? Why steal for example when you have no qualms about voting for redistributed wealth? (I just got done arguing with someone supporting this)
@JRaatz Watch any other social animals. They have rules about how to treat others in their group, a wolf pack, a colony of ants.....they all have dos and don'ts that they follow. In the "higher" animals if one goes rogue, that is anti-social, they are shunned and expelled. Add to this inherent behavior the social evolution of humans, we have tried every different way. Only Troglodytes or fundamentalists have to be threatened with eternal punishment before they will act properly.
@JohananRaatz Religion is not important at all. I live in a country that has one of the largest population of atheists. I grew up in an atheist family, and none of us have had any backlash from it at all. We all thrive, actually! Have it great, and all us 5 children have stayed out of trouble and been raised to be good citizens. Without fear, without punishment, without abuse. With love, caring, and knowledge.
@ittakesnogenius You're from Sweden right? Ok, I don't know about Sweden, and there are some exceptions to this trend, but many of the places in Western Europe where religious observance is low are also moral cesspools, with things like: legalized prostitution, legalized drugs, almost no regard for fetal rights, legal public nudity, child euthanasia, and even a pro-pedophilia party in one place (Netherlands?).
Religion acts as a natural defense mechanism against this.
@JohananRaatz LOL most of that is untrue. Prostitution is mostly illegal in Europe, "drugs" (marijuana) is legal in the netherlands (a really smallc ountry), public nudity is legal in New York, too (well, partial), and it's mostly just legal in special places (i.e nudist beaches), child euthanasia... LOL no, and pro-pedophilia... you can't even say where it happened so I bet it didn't really happen.
@ittakesnogenius Perhaps I was getting a bad sampling from the netherlands then (many of these came things came from there). (partial) Public nudity is only legal in a few places in the US and they tend to be the areas with the higher degree of atheism. And the pro-pedophilia party was in the Netherlands, I checked it out. And there is legal heroin in Switzerland.
@JohananRaatz the legal heroin is given under monitored conditions and not just to anybody. Why is nudity bad? We all were born nude, and we all have naked bodies under our clothes.
@JohananRaatz (cont) thing is, fetal rights, you don't have much of them either, if we should compare. And we don't want fetal rights, we want reproductive rights.
You have watched some show about Europe, and now you think you know all about it? Most of that is either legal in very few countries, or a singular country, or not at all. Europe consists of many countries, so you generalizing about the whole of Europe makes you look stupid.
@ittakesnogenius "fetal rights, you don't have much of them either,"
I know, but see the people opposing them the most are the ones who claim to have "secular morality." Now I'm fine with secular ethics, however what I have in mind by this tends to be very different than what self-described "secularists" propound.
"And we don't want fetal rights, we want reproductive rights."
Yes, but that's the problem. You want to get rid of the natural right in favor of the synthetic one.
@JohananRaatz however... " Obviously we need to reproduce though to make the purple states go red!" makes me wonder if you are not in fact a troll, after all.
@iLike2scream7 Riiiiiiight and you just HAD to get an account to just respond to me? Sorry I am not buying it. Most people get their accounts just because they want to be part of the community, Not to just respond to one person. You're just being dishonest.
@iLike2scream7 Now your channel is unavailable. Just goes to show you, you think you can trick people but things have changed for you evangelists in the last ten years hasn't it? HAHAHAHA
@th3w01fv2 So if she agrees with something another Christian says, that means she would jump off a cliff? would you follow pro-choice folks off a cliff? sounds like it.
@phaxad says - You die without Christ you will end up in hell.
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You do know that when you people say things like that it shows us the you see the world thru the eyes of a seven year old. Anything you say after such ignorance can not be taken seriously...
@phaxad Haha, yes, I'll die without believing in your bullshit imaginary friend, yes. Guess what? Your "Hell" place is something fictional people made up, too! You can't "scare" a reasonable person into believing in your bullshit. Please, grow a brain, please. Pathetic. You don't seem to know what the 2nd law is all about. You're ignorant on such topics, so please, don't attempt to think you can discuss them.
If you call it "anti-choice", than those who disagree with you can just as well call your view anti-life. Also, the "Pro-choice" view does not give the babies a choice of whether or not they want to live.
Even if tomorrow the scientists discover something that proves evolution isn't correct (it's impossible, I know). Would that make the christian god real? No, there is NO evidence that the christian god ever existed...
@geezusispan Not neciassarily, but my point is you can't use science to disprove God because science cannot and will not ever disprove God. Stephen Hawking said that himself so...
science is also unable to disprove the flying spaghettin monster. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If someone claimed to be able to fly then the burdon of proof would be on them. They could not walk around saying "prove i CAN'T fly!". I'm sorry but you strike me as someone who has never heard any argument against your position ever.
Not when WE decide it's human, when the woman decides she wants to give birth to it. It's an individual choice and an individual right. It's human, it's also the size and shape of a small shrimp at 12 weeks. Giving it a right to use the woman's body over her objection is absurd.
I don't see any propaganda in fact all you did was show him asking someone their stance on the issue then fast fowarding through his question till he eventually got them to change. I don't see any propaganda. Even the annoying whiny music just shows that you're a very hateful sociopathic atheist.
If YOU had an abortion, escape the torture the devil is inflicting upon you, and belong to him no more!
All men and women on this earth are sinners, and every sin is equally abhorrent to God. The God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob LOVES YOU and is merciful. Ask His forgiveness for that and for all of your sins, as you acknowledge His son Jesus who paid the price for you and me. Surrender your life to Him, and follow Him, walking forever more in faith and love. Shalom!
Which is worse abortion or the destruction of the Amazon forest? The destruction of the Amazon, by far. There are already more than enough humans on the planet, but once the Amazon is gone it can never be replaced.Experts estimate that we are losing 137 plant, animal and insect species every single day due to rainforest deforestation. That equates to 50,000 species a year. A single bush in the Amazon may have more species of ants than the entire British Isles.
@geezusispan another environmentalist moron. Killing a human is far worse than killing an animal or plant. Plus abortiong in America alone has killed 50,000,000 children. If you think the Earth has too many people than maybe you should be one of the people we kill. You solve the problem of overpopulation by building upwards. Not killing people.
I wish you had enough sense to realize that the humans are killing themselves by blindly killing the other life forms, but alas people like you won't get it until it's WAY too late.
@geezusispan Not really. i don't see people dying. If I kill a deer for food is that a bad thing. It is keeping me alive. And cutting down wood to build a house? My point wasn't exactly an anti-environmentalist thing, more of an anti-abortion thing. If you really believe you shouldn't kill anything then I hope you are against abortion and the death penalty.
The point is not killing anything. The point is not destroying an irreplaceable part of the planet's biosphere.
The Amazon jungle is more important, in real terms, than multiplying the numbers of humans. Don't YOU think we have enough people? We can't properly take care of the ones here now. The knowledge locked in the plants and diversity of the Amazon could help us save ourselves and the rest of life on Earth. Abortion isn't even a problem.
@geezusispan Well I can tell you are immoral. We are fine here. If we stop killing and raping people we'll be fine. We've been fine killing animals and knocking down forests since the beginning of time. Overpopulation is a myth and so is the whole idea that the Amazon rainforest is more important than people.
The Amazon Rainforest is the "Lungs of our Planet" because it is continuously recycling carbon dioxide into oxygen. More than 20 percent of the world oxygen is produced in the Amazon Rainforest. More than half of the world's estimated 10 million species of plants, animals and insects live in the tropical rainforests. One-fifth of the world's fresh water is in the Amazon Basin. Humans are a dime a dozen, we have more than we need... yesterday.
Calling an embryo a human being or a person does NOT change the fact that it is growing from and inside a real human being. OK let's say they are both humans. Which one should we side with if the woman does not want to give birth? The educated member of society that we have invested 20 years in? Or the one that is the size and shape of a shrimp that can be replaced in 10 weeks? Do we need EVERY embryo to grow to fruition? The population of the world increases 200,000 everyday, now!
he makes a legitimate point and is actually changing peoples minds....whats wrong with that...people are free to think for themselves and make their own choices....they are just making an informed one now.....
In the land of the free all women have the right to choose when and if they give birth. We trust each individual woman to do what is best for her in her situation. If THAT sounds like the Nazi way, you must be very confused....
well I guess men can only ejaculate inside of a fertile woman than, as sperm are individual life forms and they can't go about intentionally killing them, am I right? No matter how small....
In the land of the free all women have the right to choose when and if they give birth. We trust each individual woman to do what is best for her in her situation. If THAT sounds like the Nazi way to you, you must be very confused....
@nessastreasures sadly ur right! with all the wemen who insane because of there abortions and the 747% increase in sucides they face! but its there own fault!
Your lame ass 31,152 views to Ray's 1,000.000 views and about 80% of people dislike your video. Time to find a busy highway to lay in buddy, you'll be doing the world a favor.
Holy crap! I just checked out the link, it's disgusting. They're telling people to target high school students with this evil propaganda. They're even arming them with a 'freedom of speech act' so they can hang around sidewalks outside schools.
I didn't really mind when they were approaching Colleges (Universities) as that seems like a decent place to conduct debates, but pushing this shit on High school students is wrong.
in those 40 seconds that we dont see ray probably gave the people 100 bucks and said "ok now real quick, just say that youre anti abortion, ok?" i know that would do the trick for me
Ray Comfort uses Hitler as an example, not because Jews are like babies in the womb, but but because people believe that just like abortion, Hitler had a choice to kill those who were inconvenient and inferior. Didn't Hitler have the right to chose? Jews were nothing but a mass of tissue too, right? Alot of the Jews children were not yet developed yet as well... or were they?
Anti-Choice? When has Ray Comfort ever wanted to NOT give these unborn women (or men) a choice? Does the person who made/put up this video really believe anyone should have the choice to killed their 1 or 2 year old because the baby is inconvenient, just because they haven't developed yet?
one day a Christian tried to talk to me about Gods love for me and forgiveness of my sins, I told her she was an idiot and her beliefs we're stupid...her only response to my aggression was 'I'll pray for you' I told her to pray for herself! three nights later I woke up at 3am I became a Christian. God knows you, even if you haven't met him yet...I'll pray for you.
SIR, you should read up. You NEED to understand GODWIN's LAW and what it say. The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate (because in some cases it is appropriate), but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses... So logically, your reference to Godwin's Law is simply a red herring.
Jews are sentient beings. That's where our compassion and empathy stems from. If a "thing" can't feel pain either emotionally or physically, , then my compassion belongs to the "thing" which does. Most retarded people ARE sentient and have the same capacity for suffering.
"Recognition of suffering" is the main determinant of human compassion for virtually everyone....and I'm positive the same applies to you.
@JustinIsAlwaysWright Yeah, if you're pro-choice, that makes you Hitler. Good argument buddy <3 Now I'm going to go and do something better with my life than argue with you because you clearly are refusing to see this from any other perspective.
Also if someone I loved was in a coma for a very long time - eventually I probably would consider turning their life support off. Also, retarded? Come on dude, be a little more P.C.
@ReebieJewitt your definitely NOT hitler but it makes you that guy that doesn't stand for whats right . What if your wrong about it not having life until the magic happens at three months? Its human life your betting on. I could understand it if maybe you believed in God because that would truely be a miracle for a soul to appear out of nowhere at three months as opposed to it being integral in its creation. But if you believe in God how could you think it ok to circumvent his plans.
@JustinIsAlwaysWright That doesn't automatically mean it's 100% a fully formed human capable of sentient thought. Why is this bothering you so much? It's a differ of opinion.
@JustinIsAlwaysWright No, because it is independent of it's mother and has sentient thought and actions. That's why you can only abort a baby in my opinion up to three months after conception; because after that it completely feels pain and is aware as to what is going on. Really, before then the baby is just a cluster of cells growing within the mother with a basic nervous system. You're not going to change my opinion; notice how I'm not trying to change yours.
This video proves nothing. Ray on the other hand, brings up many interesting, valid points. But I'll admit it, the guilt trip sucks, especially if you're guilty (which everybody is). As George Carlin once said, "Your Birth Certificate is proof of guilt"! And YES, I used the quote from a self professed athiest on purpose!
@JustinIsAlwaysWright Look, I understand that. It looks like we will never agree so let's not be keyboard warriors. I'll say this; if the woman doesn't want an abortion that is amazing. She is strong, and I could honestly say I'd look up to her for getting through that. But some women wouldn't even be able to cope with the pregnancy without going insane; let alone the birth and giving it away. Everyone is different.
If a woman has an unwanted pregnancy and has no desire to raise a child, then she can abort. Simple isn't it? Anyone who thinks abortion is horrible, never has to have one.
Uh huh, this is so terrible, and mediocre scientists forcing every child in america to learn about how they were descendants of apes is okay...im 'pro choice'. I say give the kids all the information and let them CHOOSE what to believe. But don't let them choose to murder another human being for selfish reasons.
Why do people feel they have a right to kill a baby? It seems like the weak loving killing the weaker. I am sorry if you didn't wear protection or were raped. Please change the world and do something good by giving the baby a chance to live a full life like you have. Must be nice to be living and make decisions about death.
If religion causes one to take this banana guy, Ray Comfort, seriously ,then it must damage your brain in some way....
100chemosabe 6 days ago
LOL this video is pathetic lol u never evan pinned anything remotly valid???it was all lame bs that didnt make sence that you posted against 180 movie...you mean you cant do any better??? LOOOOOOOOOL hmm how many vews does ray comfort have on that video??2 mill+ and you???34k LOL and mostly dislikes you really out did yourself today beiber hahahaha
AEWLEE 2 weeks ago
@AEWLEE I posted this five months ago and you guys are STILL making a fuss over it?
Thanks for watching.
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ittakesnogenius 2 weeks ago
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@AEWLEE ctually it isn't pathetic, it just flew over your pro-life propaganda filled head. And ad populum... a really lame way to make an argument.
ittakesnogenius 2 weeks ago
There are about 40 million abortions per year, world wide. Where they are not legal, women still have them, but they are much more dangerous. If that many women feel that strongly about controlling their reproduction, then who can tell them they are wrong? Pro-choice means, every pregnant woman decides for herself, nothing could be fairer.
100chemosabe 1 month ago
@100chemosabe exactly! Someone who gets it :) Women will keep having abortions even if they are illegal because they need them THAT badly.
ittakesnogenius 2 weeks ago
Grandstanding? I think not.
(CNSNews.com) – According to its latest annual report, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) received $487.4 million in tax dollars over a twelve-month period and performed 329,455 abortions.Sometimes necessary? You actually believe that 329,455 abortions during a twelve month period were necessary? You are so naive.
jimjljensen 1 month ago
@jimjljensen Get over yourself. Your emotional appeals are a pointless venture. It's a medical procedure, pure and simple.
th3w01fv2 1 month ago
@th3w01fv2 - No emotional appeal. It's not necessary. The truth speaks volumes. It's the killing of a human baby. You can lie and deny but you'll never be correct. You cannot even sensibly respond to the statistics I presented. 329, 465 babies murdered by that pure and simple procedure. You are amazingly dimwitted.
jimjljensen 1 month ago
@jimjljensen Again you assume that a few cells = sentient Human. That's an error. You've been mislead by your pastors and other religious scam artists. An abortion is no different than the removal of tonsils or removing a wart, it's a medical procedure, to be used as directed.
You still haven't answered why you didn't invest into technology that would enable fetal transplant. You fail to provide a solution that doesn't violate the rights of women.
th3w01fv2 1 month ago
@th3w01fv2 And you again fail to acknowledge that life begins at conception. Same as removing tonsils? You are indeed sick, evil people. Like witches stirring the caldron, cackling every time an unborn is murdered. Abortion is murder. Even Jane Roe has seen the err of her ways and admits abortion is wrong. I pray that God will someday open your eyes but for some reason I believe it's too late for you.
jimjljensen 1 month ago
@jimjljensen Wow you've crammed every little evangelical clichee you could cram into the 487 character limit could allow. You can call me every epithet in the book, it still won't convince me of your point. But please, feel free to make an ass of yourself.
th3w01fv2 1 month ago
Pro-life means I am against abortion.
Pro-abortion means you approve of abortion
Pro-choice means you're for whatever the other person decides but it doesn't state your personal point of view. Or does it? You cannot be against abortion and tell yourself it's okay if someone else chooses to kill their unborn baby. It doesn't work that way. There is no such thing as pro-choice. The issue is indeed black and white. For or against?
jimjljensen 1 month ago
@jimjljensen *yawn* You do realize that your grandstanding means jack shit? An abortion is a medical procedure that is sometimes necessary. If you feel that strongly about it, then invest in research that makes it so that fetal transplants can be possible and you will make abortion a thing of the past.
th3w01fv2 1 month ago
@jimjljensen I'm pro-choice, I'm for the individual woman's right to choose what happens to her own body. Pro-abortion means that I want to force women to have abortion, pro-life means I want to force women to stay pregnant. Pro-choice means I'm leaving it up for the individual.
I'm pro-choice because my personal views on this is my own business, and shouldn't infringe on anyone's rights.
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@ittakesnogenius Your own views shouldn't infringe on anyone's rights. But they do infringe on the unborn life that you care nothing about.
If your personal views are your own business you wouldn't be expressing them here.
You're not pro-choice. You're pro-abortion. Quit lying to yourself.
jimjljensen 2 weeks ago
@jimjljensen I suspect you're new to this kind of debate? 1. I am pro-choice, I believe in the mother's rights first because she is the only one who can carry the child, so she has to be able to decide. 2. I care about the unborn life, but I can't make OTHER people care 3. my personal views is that I won't have an abortion, but that's my personal view, and just because I won't, I shouldn't force other people to do the same. 4. I am pro-choice, pro-abortion is to force people to have abortions.
ittakesnogenius 2 weeks ago
@ittakesnogenius Being pro abortion by no means is defined by the forcing of abortion on anyone. How ridiculous. Calling yourself pro choice is a cop out by which you refuse to take a stand. Right or wrong? It is a black and white issue. You may personally choose not to get an abortion but otherwise the life of the unborn means nothing to you. If there is any definition for "pro-choice" it is the not giving a damn one way or the other. The unborn life means nothing to you.
jimjljensen 2 weeks ago
@jimjljensen No, you're being ridiculous by not understanding the difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice. No one WANTS an abortion. I think it is right, and I've said it all along. It's not a cop-out, it's the truth. No matter what you want, you can't change the facts, and pro-choice and pro-abortion are two different things. Only allowing people to have 1 child is pro-abortion, for example, allowing the right to chose is pro-choice.
ittakesnogenius 2 weeks ago
@jimjljensen the life of the unborn means a lot to me, however I cannot make other people care about it, and I value quality over quantity. My sister is currently pregnant and I assure you that I love the child in her tummy just as much as my already born nephew and niece, no doubt about it, can't wait to meet him or her sometime in the next 2 months. However, it's always my sister's choice to chose if she wants to be a mom again or not. ALWAYS.
ittakesnogenius 2 weeks ago
@jimjljensen If I were pro-abortion I'd say to every woman "have an abortion", and I'd be just as horrible as the people who say "you have to stay pregnant". Both people say "you have no choice". What I'm saying "It's up to the individual to chose." = pro-choice.
Pro-life people came up with "pro-abortion" because we're saying "anti-choice". Anti-choice fits, pro-abortion is for a whooole other thing.
ittakesnogenius 2 weeks ago
Abortion is genocide of the unborn. America's own personal holocaust. Unfortunately proponents of abortion have exported the killing of unborn babies worldwide.
jimjljensen 1 month ago
He won't even go lie to students at my alma mater, Laurentian University! :( Preposterous!
GmanNetworks 2 months ago
While I don't buy the banana thing at all, I really think the 180 movie is worth watching. The arguments presented on BOTH sides are intriguing. Approach the movie with an open mind instead of immediately slamming it as "anti-choice propaganda". Hear what young people have to say about the issue.
sineadbradyfan 2 months ago 2
@sineadbradyfan being from ray comfort im pretty sure its going to be shit and propoganda from start to finish however i will consider both sides when i watch it, even though like i said, its most likely going to be propaganda
wearestarstuffsagan 2 months ago
@wearestarstuffsagan I think it's great that you'll consider both sides. Not to get all preachy and everything, but honestly, the only way we learn is by being open to what other people have to say, even if we don't agree with them. Also, a person can be totally off on one issue and lose some credibility, but that doesn't mean that all his other beliefs and opinions are necessarily wrong. They could be, it's true, but they may not be.
sineadbradyfan 2 months ago
@sineadbradyfan Ray Comfort only presents logical fallacies. He doesn't debate, he uses the format of debate as a springboard for evangelism. Don't be fooled.
th3w01fv2 1 month ago
@th3w01fv2 It is not my intention to defend Ray Comfort's "debate format" in the last ten minutes of the film. So if, according to you, Ray Comfort only presents logical fallacies in his questioning of people about God and the afterlife, I would NOT vehemently oppose your claim. But if you argue that he presents logical fallacies on the issue of abortion AS SEPARATE from the issue of religion, I would strongly disagree, and ask that you clarify your point.
sineadbradyfan 1 month ago
@sineadbradyfan Ray uses logical fallacies and propaganda techniques in all his ventures. It's not rocket science to figure this out, just look at his works with a critical eye.
th3w01fv2 1 month ago
@th3w01fv2 I'm talking about this "venture" in particular. The rest are immaterial for my argument, since Ray and I don't have the same views on religion. In the 180 video on the abortion segment only, what are his logical fallacies?
sineadbradyfan 1 month ago
@sineadbradyfan Oh it can be summed up in one. "Reductio Ad Hitlerium".
th3w01fv2 1 month ago
@th3w01fv2 Dude, you are seriously an idiot. The Reductio Ad Hitlerum only works when what is being criticized can't be directly compared to Nazi behavior -like I don't know um, BUTCHERING BABIES MAYBE?!!
JohananRaatz 1 month ago
@JohananRaatz what hitler did was genocide, "killing" embryos and fetuses does not fit into the definition of genocide: "The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of an entire national, racial, religious, or ethnic group". Abortion is not comparable to what Hitler did
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@ittakesnogenius Ok, yes abortion is not trying to wipe out a particular group of people. They are still both mass murder on similar proportions however.
JohananRaatz 1 month ago
@JohananRaatz one is necessary, one was not
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@ittakesnogenius Baloney. Necessary to whom? Killing Jews was "necessary" to Hitler, but Hitler can shove it, so can these abortive mothers.
JohananRaatz 1 month ago
@JohananRaatz Use the right words, please. No, killing jews was never necessary, and jews did not inflict harm or potential harm, the responsibility of their survival did not rest on a single person. Pregnancy does. Jews were independent human beings, embryos and fetuses are not. And careful who you tell to shove it. Some one dear to you may have had an abortion, only you do not know about it. People don't blast it for everyone to hear, especially narrow minded and naive people like you
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@ittakesnogenius "the responsibility of their survival did not rest on a single person. Pregnancy does."
That still doesn't justify killing kids.
"independent human beings, embryos and fetuses are not."
Since when does dependency make someone not a human being?
"Some one dear to you"
Someone I knew forced his GF to get one. I gave him an earful.
"narrow minded and naive"
It's not narrow-minded to realize that people who commit these are despicable pieces of shit.
JohananRaatz 1 month ago
@JohananRaatz since people don't tend to blast their abortions around, there may be more, someone even closer to you. And that boyfriend wasn't pro-choice, he's just as anti-choice as you are, but the other way around.
You haven't even had a PERIOD and you're talking about pregnancy like it's the easiest thing possible. Try having a period first before even thinking about telling people that pregnancy is easy. Because this is what you're implying by being pro-life.
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@ittakesnogenius A.) Choice isn't the issue here. Fetal rights is the issue. It doesn't matter if his GF got it of her own volition or if, or if he forced here too (though the later is more disgusting). The issue is that SOMEONE (be it the mother or the father) was disrespecting fetal rights. And that shouldn't be tolerated.
B.) "telling people that pregnancy is easy."
Did I say it was easy or hard? No, I said nothing on that. We are talking about fetal rights here.
JohananRaatz 1 month ago
@JohananRaatz But you are disrespecting women's rights to their bodies. Why should they have to go through a pregnancy? If it is hard on a woman, why should they have to go through a pregnancy. YOU'RE talking about fetal rights here, that's all you're talking about, I'm looking on both sides of the spectrum, and women's right to chose needs to be a part of the discussion, because no matter how you look at it, you're forcing a woman to do something against her will. It's almost comparable to rape
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@ittakesnogenius "rights to their bodies"
Yes, but they don't have a right to kill other people's bodies with their bodies.
"Why should"
Because they had the kid, and therefore have responsibility for it. Additionally considerations of utility tell us that: life >> autonomy. Thus life should be chosen over autonomy. I do bring both into the calculation though.
"against her will"
We make moms and dads responsible for their kids all of the time even if they don't want to be.
JohananRaatz 4 weeks ago
@JohananRaatz They don't kill them with their own bodies, they don't squeze the life out of them. NO they shouldn't have to have responsibility because they accidentally made the kid (they haven't "had the kid" until birth). Sex doesn't mean you have responisbility, it is the reason why people tend to get pregnant MOST of the time. And they should have children?
And no, we don't make them be responsible if they really don't want to. We call that adoption
ittakesnogenius 4 weeks ago
@ittakesnogenius "they don't squeze the life out of them."
Why are they getting abortions then?
"NO they shouldn't... accidentally" Sex doesn't mean you have responisbility,"
Sure it is. It's just a recognized sexual liability that sex means you might make a kid. And if you have a kid, then you are obviously parentally responsible for it.
"We call that adoption"
Well yes that's valid, but they have a parental responsibility to get the kid safely to that point.
JohananRaatz 3 weeks ago
@JohananRaatz you are assuming that all children will be treated well if they are just born, that if they have a child they will treat it well until they give it up for adoption etc. This is false. If people act irresposibly and have sex before they are ready/without contraceptives, how do you assume they will be responsible enough to take care of a child? I've seen a lot that suggests that a lot if parents are not (like FF their kids in their car before 1 (they should be RF till 3!!)).
ittakesnogenius 3 weeks ago
@JohananRaatz I don't get "Why are they getting abortions then?"... they get them becaus ethey don't want to have children.
And I don't get how putting a penis into a vagina takes any responsibility. Anyone can do that. What takes responsibility is pregnancy, parenting AND abortion. For example... a 13 year old can have sex, is she responsible? How is it responsible to have sex, especially if you have a mentality like "it won't happen to me", that many teens have.
ittakesnogenius 3 weeks ago
@ittakesnogenius "takes any responsibility."
Sure because it entails a recognized liability -to possibly get pregnant with a kid.
"Anyone can do that."
Right, but anyone can incur a liability.
"is she responsible?"
In those cases the grandparents should be more responsible, and better regulate their children's sexual behavior.
"assuming that all children will be treated well"
Well no, but I'm saying that that's not a good reason for abortion either.
JohananRaatz 2 weeks ago
@JohananRaatz So basically you just want children to be born, and don't care if they're neglected all their lives, they just deserve to be born, even if they don't get support in their cognitive development so that they can't speak properly or at all by school age, get potty trained etc. Yeah, just so they're born.
And parents, no matter how good they are, won't be able to rule over their children's sexlives. Teens have sex, teens takes risk during sex. It's a part of their natural behaviour
ittakesnogenius 2 weeks ago
@ittakesnogenius "and don't care if they're neglected all their lives"
I don't recall saying anything like that. Though yes everyone deserves to be born.
"rule over their children's sexlives."
Sure they can, and many have. It's just a matter of managed social conditioning. Sometimes a religious upbringing is helpful here as well. (fear of going to hell for sex is often a useful deterrent) Or simply spanking them early on so they have a proper fear of authority works too.
JohananRaatz 1 week ago
@JohananRaatz "I don't recall saying anything like that" well, I'm drawing conclusions, just like you are.
And here I am met with several things that are soo wrong. Teaching abstinence has been proven that it doesn't work, religion doesn't help either (and what about atheists?), and spanking to invoke fear? Are you serious? Spanking is wrong in general, but doing it to cause your child to fear you = child abuse. Wow, please don't become a dad.
ittakesnogenius 1 week ago
@ittakesnogenius "doesn't work"
Well I know for a fact that it works with some families, and all that needs to be done is to replicate those conditions.
"religion doesn't"
Homeschoolers for example are less likely to become atheists -like I said the right conditioning.
"spanking"
Well Pavlovian conditioning has been shown to work, and besides it's a lot better than having the kid knock someone up and have an abortion as a result. I mean what's worse, spanking or abortions?
JohananRaatz 1 week ago
@JohananRaatz Key word: SOME families. You forget we are unique individuals.
Homeschoolers are less likely because they are brainwashed. I'm an atheist, for me being religious is like a step down on the intelligence-ladder. It's brainwashing.
So, you admit to being a future child abuser. Please, don't have kids. I'm in a family of 5 kids who have worked out WONDERFULLY without spanking or a 5 minute method etc. Please, castrate yourself or something.
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@ittakesnogenius (part 1) "SOME families"
Well we just isolate the relevant social factors then and work from there.
"brainwashed."
You mean properly conditioned. Obviously people that screw around and abort the results are improperly conditioned.
JohananRaatz 1 week ago
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@ittakesnogenius (part 1) "don't have kids"
Well I wouldn't AIM to spank. I'm just noting that it worked well in my family growing up. Obviously we need to reproduce though to make the purple states go red!
"religious.. down on the intelligence"
I see. Things for you to look up then: "Simulation argument" "digital physics" & "Omega Point," to make things a bit weirder throw in "Orch-OR" and "hard problem of consciousness" too. Religion is important or you get existentialism.
JohananRaatz 1 week ago
@JohananRaatz So you isolate children, you abuse them, you make them fear you, you make them fear life and themselves (that's religion)... you consider this a healthy upbringing? How about teaching your children instead? Coach them, guide them through ups and downs that we all face in life? You want to shut them in a room and make them think like you, because you know that if led by free will, and by their own natural thoughts: they'll not agree with you.
ittakesnogenius 1 week ago
@ittakesnogenius Here's the problem. If you don't have people raised with elements of religion, statistically what happens is that they end up with no morality, which is why we see places like Western Europe were religious observance is down end up as moral cesspools (the less religious the more so). This is not universal, but you have to think. We see cultures throughout the world regardless of particular religion producing the same kinds of mores. Nature did this for a reason.
JohananRaatz 1 week ago
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No one needs religion for morals. In fact most crimes are committed by overly repressed religious people. The prisons are full of christians and VERY few atheists.
100chemosabe 6 days ago
@100chemosabe "No one needs religion for morals"
In theory no, in practice yes. As demonstration look at the support for Obama and his unethical policies. They are disproportionately favored by self-described secularists when compared to religious people.
"most crimes are committed"
Why commit crimes if you can simply legalize things? Why steal for example when you have no qualms about voting for redistributed wealth? (I just got done arguing with someone supporting this)
JohananRaatz 1 day ago
@JRaatz Watch any other social animals. They have rules about how to treat others in their group, a wolf pack, a colony of ants.....they all have dos and don'ts that they follow. In the "higher" animals if one goes rogue, that is anti-social, they are shunned and expelled. Add to this inherent behavior the social evolution of humans, we have tried every different way. Only Troglodytes or fundamentalists have to be threatened with eternal punishment before they will act properly.
100chemosabe 1 day ago 3
@JohananRaatz Religion is not important at all. I live in a country that has one of the largest population of atheists. I grew up in an atheist family, and none of us have had any backlash from it at all. We all thrive, actually! Have it great, and all us 5 children have stayed out of trouble and been raised to be good citizens. Without fear, without punishment, without abuse. With love, caring, and knowledge.
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@ittakesnogenius You're from Sweden right? Ok, I don't know about Sweden, and there are some exceptions to this trend, but many of the places in Western Europe where religious observance is low are also moral cesspools, with things like: legalized prostitution, legalized drugs, almost no regard for fetal rights, legal public nudity, child euthanasia, and even a pro-pedophilia party in one place (Netherlands?).
Religion acts as a natural defense mechanism against this.
JohananRaatz 1 week ago
@JohananRaatz LOL most of that is untrue. Prostitution is mostly illegal in Europe, "drugs" (marijuana) is legal in the netherlands (a really smallc ountry), public nudity is legal in New York, too (well, partial), and it's mostly just legal in special places (i.e nudist beaches), child euthanasia... LOL no, and pro-pedophilia... you can't even say where it happened so I bet it didn't really happen.
ittakesnogenius 1 week ago
@ittakesnogenius Perhaps I was getting a bad sampling from the netherlands then (many of these came things came from there). (partial) Public nudity is only legal in a few places in the US and they tend to be the areas with the higher degree of atheism. And the pro-pedophilia party was in the Netherlands, I checked it out. And there is legal heroin in Switzerland.
JohananRaatz 1 day ago
@JohananRaatz the legal heroin is given under monitored conditions and not just to anybody. Why is nudity bad? We all were born nude, and we all have naked bodies under our clothes.
ittakesnogenius 1 day ago
@JohananRaatz (cont) thing is, fetal rights, you don't have much of them either, if we should compare. And we don't want fetal rights, we want reproductive rights.
You have watched some show about Europe, and now you think you know all about it? Most of that is either legal in very few countries, or a singular country, or not at all. Europe consists of many countries, so you generalizing about the whole of Europe makes you look stupid.
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@ittakesnogenius "fetal rights, you don't have much of them either,"
I know, but see the people opposing them the most are the ones who claim to have "secular morality." Now I'm fine with secular ethics, however what I have in mind by this tends to be very different than what self-described "secularists" propound.
"And we don't want fetal rights, we want reproductive rights."
Yes, but that's the problem. You want to get rid of the natural right in favor of the synthetic one.
JohananRaatz 1 day ago
@JohananRaatz however... " Obviously we need to reproduce though to make the purple states go red!" makes me wonder if you are not in fact a troll, after all.
ittakesnogenius 1 week ago
I can't take this video seriously at all with the background music in it.
iLike2scream7 2 months ago
@iLike2scream7 This from a user with no channel. Who are you kidding?
th3w01fv2 2 months ago
@th3w01fv2 You need a YouTube account/channel to be able to comment on other videos, and that's what I've done.
iLike2scream7 2 months ago
@iLike2scream7 Riiiiiiight and you just HAD to get an account to just respond to me? Sorry I am not buying it. Most people get their accounts just because they want to be part of the community, Not to just respond to one person. You're just being dishonest.
th3w01fv2 2 months ago
@th3w01fv2 I created my account last December; you uploaded this video in August.
iLike2scream7 2 months ago
@iLike2scream7 Now your channel is unavailable. Just goes to show you, you think you can trick people but things have changed for you evangelists in the last ten years hasn't it? HAHAHAHA
th3w01fv2 2 months ago
@th3w01fv2 I just fixed it, there ya go. This circular argument is pointless; I'm done with it.
iLike2scream7 2 months ago
Ray Comfort's Anti-Choice Propaganda EXPOSED.......
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It's pretty easy to expose it, just watch any of his horse shit. It's hilarious!
geezusispan 2 months ago
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cindyiozada 2 months ago
I dont follow men I follow Jesuschrist, Acts 20:32.
cindyiozada 2 months ago
I second that amen!
cindyiozada 2 months ago
@cindyiozada If a fellow Christian jumped off a cliff, would you follow? Sounds like it.
th3w01fv2 2 months ago
@th3w01fv2 So if she agrees with something another Christian says, that means she would jump off a cliff? would you follow pro-choice folks off a cliff? sounds like it.
Texfield91 2 months ago
@Texfield91 how old are you? 2?
th3w01fv2 2 months ago
We need to distribute more of Ray's videos....they are faithful to the word of God
TheChaseair 2 months ago
@TheChaseair If this is how you want to waste your money, be my guest. But I know it's not going to work. The whole thing is a crock.
th3w01fv2 2 months ago
this video reminds me of those conspiracy videos with the Illuminati. all emotion, not a shred of logic
sonofrevan 3 months ago
WOW this video has a 98% disapproval rating at this point.
George0025 3 months ago 4
@George0025 It only proves that they don't like opposition.
th3w01fv2 3 months ago
@George0025 says - WOW this video has a 98% disapproval rating at this point.
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Yeah, they don't call them religious fanatics for nothin'!
geezusispan 3 months ago
@George0025 It's still lower than Rick Perry's lol
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@George0025 said - WOW this video has a 98% disapproval rating at this point.
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Yeah, those christians are really badass as long as they can hide behind their computer screens...
100chemosabe 1 month ago
@phaxad says - You die without Christ you will end up in hell.
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You do know that when you people say things like that it shows us the you see the world thru the eyes of a seven year old. Anything you say after such ignorance can not be taken seriously...
geezusispan 3 months ago
@phaxad Haha, yes, I'll die without believing in your bullshit imaginary friend, yes. Guess what? Your "Hell" place is something fictional people made up, too! You can't "scare" a reasonable person into believing in your bullshit. Please, grow a brain, please. Pathetic. You don't seem to know what the 2nd law is all about. You're ignorant on such topics, so please, don't attempt to think you can discuss them.
Mushuukyou 3 months ago
If you call it "anti-choice", than those who disagree with you can just as well call your view anti-life. Also, the "Pro-choice" view does not give the babies a choice of whether or not they want to live.
Jesse859 3 months ago
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Jesse859 3 months ago
We don't force women to go through the 9 long months of pregnancy if she doesn't want do. That's how it is in every democracy on the planet.
geezusispan 3 months ago
Even if tomorrow the scientists discover something that proves evolution isn't correct (it's impossible, I know). Would that make the christian god real? No, there is NO evidence that the christian god ever existed...
geezusispan 3 months ago
@geezusispan Not neciassarily, but my point is you can't use science to disprove God because science cannot and will not ever disprove God. Stephen Hawking said that himself so...
lilpeaceacrap 3 months ago
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science is also unable to disprove the flying spaghettin monster. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If someone claimed to be able to fly then the burdon of proof would be on them. They could not walk around saying "prove i CAN'T fly!". I'm sorry but you strike me as someone who has never heard any argument against your position ever.
tremblelikeaflowr 3 months ago
@lilpeaceacrap says - Not neciassarily, but my point is you can't use science to disprove God because science cannot and will not ever disprove God.
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I don't have to disprove anything. You are making the claim that god exists, it is on you to prove it.
geezusispan 3 months ago
Not when WE decide it's human, when the woman decides she wants to give birth to it. It's an individual choice and an individual right. It's human, it's also the size and shape of a small shrimp at 12 weeks. Giving it a right to use the woman's body over her objection is absurd.
geezusispan 3 months ago
I don't see any propaganda in fact all you did was show him asking someone their stance on the issue then fast fowarding through his question till he eventually got them to change. I don't see any propaganda. Even the annoying whiny music just shows that you're a very hateful sociopathic atheist.
TheEmoTronROBOTx 3 months ago
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If YOU had an abortion, escape the torture the devil is inflicting upon you, and belong to him no more!
All men and women on this earth are sinners, and every sin is equally abhorrent to God. The God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob LOVES YOU and is merciful. Ask His forgiveness for that and for all of your sins, as you acknowledge His son Jesus who paid the price for you and me. Surrender your life to Him, and follow Him, walking forever more in faith and love. Shalom!
slswyoming 3 months ago
Which is worse abortion or the destruction of the Amazon forest? The destruction of the Amazon, by far. There are already more than enough humans on the planet, but once the Amazon is gone it can never be replaced.Experts estimate that we are losing 137 plant, animal and insect species every single day due to rainforest deforestation. That equates to 50,000 species a year. A single bush in the Amazon may have more species of ants than the entire British Isles.
geezusispan 3 months ago
@geezusispan another environmentalist moron. Killing a human is far worse than killing an animal or plant. Plus abortiong in America alone has killed 50,000,000 children. If you think the Earth has too many people than maybe you should be one of the people we kill. You solve the problem of overpopulation by building upwards. Not killing people.
lilpeaceacrap 3 months ago
@lilpeaceacrap
I wish you had enough sense to realize that the humans are killing themselves by blindly killing the other life forms, but alas people like you won't get it until it's WAY too late.
geezusispan 3 months ago
@geezusispan Not really. i don't see people dying. If I kill a deer for food is that a bad thing. It is keeping me alive. And cutting down wood to build a house? My point wasn't exactly an anti-environmentalist thing, more of an anti-abortion thing. If you really believe you shouldn't kill anything then I hope you are against abortion and the death penalty.
lilpeaceacrap 3 months ago
@lilpeaceacrap
The point is not killing anything. The point is not destroying an irreplaceable part of the planet's biosphere.
The Amazon jungle is more important, in real terms, than multiplying the numbers of humans. Don't YOU think we have enough people? We can't properly take care of the ones here now. The knowledge locked in the plants and diversity of the Amazon could help us save ourselves and the rest of life on Earth. Abortion isn't even a problem.
geezusispan 3 months ago
@geezusispan Well I can tell you are immoral. We are fine here. If we stop killing and raping people we'll be fine. We've been fine killing animals and knocking down forests since the beginning of time. Overpopulation is a myth and so is the whole idea that the Amazon rainforest is more important than people.
lilpeaceacrap 3 months ago
@lilpeaceacrap You are a narrow minded moron. Good luck with burrowing your head in the sand.
geezusispan 3 months ago
@geezusispan When liberals know they are beaten they resort to name calling and immaturity. Way to come up with a good argument. And I'm the moron?
lilpeaceacrap 3 months ago
@lilpeaceacrap
I don't argue with religiotards or morons, they are not worth the time....
geezusispan 3 months ago
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@geezusispan You have just proven my point
lilpeaceacrap 3 months ago
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The Amazon Rainforest is the "Lungs of our Planet" because it is continuously recycling carbon dioxide into oxygen. More than 20 percent of the world oxygen is produced in the Amazon Rainforest. More than half of the world's estimated 10 million species of plants, animals and insects live in the tropical rainforests. One-fifth of the world's fresh water is in the Amazon Basin. Humans are a dime a dozen, we have more than we need... yesterday.
geezusispan 3 months ago
Calling an embryo a human being or a person does NOT change the fact that it is growing from and inside a real human being. OK let's say they are both humans. Which one should we side with if the woman does not want to give birth? The educated member of society that we have invested 20 years in? Or the one that is the size and shape of a shrimp that can be replaced in 10 weeks? Do we need EVERY embryo to grow to fruition? The population of the world increases 200,000 everyday, now!
geezusispan 3 months ago
Individual freedom for women to choose or the government forcing all pregnant women to give birth.
Which sounds the most like Nazism?
geezusispan 3 months ago
he makes a legitimate point and is actually changing peoples minds....whats wrong with that...people are free to think for themselves and make their own choices....they are just making an informed one now.....
nessastreasures 3 months ago
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In the land of the free all women have the right to choose when and if they give birth. We trust each individual woman to do what is best for her in her situation. If THAT sounds like the Nazi way, you must be very confused....
geezusispan 3 months ago
No one has the right to take another's life, no matter how small....end of discussion.
jber8103 3 months ago
@jber8103
well I guess men can only ejaculate inside of a fertile woman than, as sperm are individual life forms and they can't go about intentionally killing them, am I right? No matter how small....
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 3 months ago
this has one of the highest dislike rates on all of youtube!
you loose and pro-life won! haha bitch!
1997seanmac 3 months ago 2
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@1997seanmac
In the land of the free all women have the right to choose when and if they give birth. We trust each individual woman to do what is best for her in her situation. If THAT sounds like the Nazi way to you, you must be very confused....
geezusispan 3 months ago
@1997seanmac the only losers are the babies
nessastreasures 3 months ago
@nessastreasures sadly ur right! with all the wemen who insane because of there abortions and the 747% increase in sucides they face! but its there own fault!
1997seanmac 3 months ago
There's nothing noble about killing babies, but killing your own flesh and blood is pure evil. Noone needs to watch a video to realise that.
TheExpertCritique 3 months ago
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Science says that the zygote is a living thing, the people of Mississippi voted it is NOT, however, a person.
God bless america the land of safe and legal abortions!
geezusispan 3 months ago
Your lame ass 31,152 views to Ray's 1,000.000 views and about 80% of people dislike your video. Time to find a busy highway to lay in buddy, you'll be doing the world a favor.
FLSweatt 3 months ago
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Science says that the zygote is a living thing, the people of Mississippi voted it is NOT, however, a person.
God bless america the land of safe and legal abortions!
geezusispan 3 months ago
"anti-choice"? lol you are ridiculous with your dumb and hateful propaganda. Long live, Ray Comfort!
mbison83 3 months ago
Holy crap! I just checked out the link, it's disgusting. They're telling people to target high school students with this evil propaganda. They're even arming them with a 'freedom of speech act' so they can hang around sidewalks outside schools.
I didn't really mind when they were approaching Colleges (Universities) as that seems like a decent place to conduct debates, but pushing this shit on High school students is wrong.
A new low for charlatan Ray Comfort.
Muckymuckmuck 3 months ago
@Muckymuckmuck Oh, and to prove the depth of their depravity, they've linked the Holocaust to abortion.
Muckymuckmuck 3 months ago
in those 40 seconds that we dont see ray probably gave the people 100 bucks and said "ok now real quick, just say that youre anti abortion, ok?" i know that would do the trick for me
sorry8140 3 months ago
Ray Comfort uses Hitler as an example, not because Jews are like babies in the womb, but but because people believe that just like abortion, Hitler had a choice to kill those who were inconvenient and inferior. Didn't Hitler have the right to chose? Jews were nothing but a mass of tissue too, right? Alot of the Jews children were not yet developed yet as well... or were they?
richmahn 3 months ago
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Anti-Choice? When has Ray Comfort ever wanted to NOT give these unborn women (or men) a choice? Does the person who made/put up this video really believe anyone should have the choice to killed their 1 or 2 year old because the baby is inconvenient, just because they haven't developed yet?
richmahn 3 months ago
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richmahn 3 months ago
one day a Christian tried to talk to me about Gods love for me and forgiveness of my sins, I told her she was an idiot and her beliefs we're stupid...her only response to my aggression was 'I'll pray for you' I told her to pray for herself! three nights later I woke up at 3am I became a Christian. God knows you, even if you haven't met him yet...I'll pray for you.
Soltantoabby 3 months ago 7
@Soltantoabby Holy shit, thats proof right there
Squirreldiscodancer 3 months ago
@Soltantoabby says - three nights later I woke up at 3am I became a Christian.
That's the biggest lie I have ever heard! hahahahah Thanx for the laughs!
geezusispan 3 months ago
@Soltantoabby hahahahaha you became a christian because you woke up a 3 am...
great story.
HuyerPercussive 3 months ago
Not to mention your comments in the beginning are nothing but ad hominem fallacies. All you do is attack this guy, not his ideas.
aphillipmoore 3 months ago 5
SIR, you should read up. You NEED to understand GODWIN's LAW and what it say. The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate (because in some cases it is appropriate), but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses... So logically, your reference to Godwin's Law is simply a red herring.
aphillipmoore 3 months ago
@JustinIsAlwaysWright
Jews are sentient beings. That's where our compassion and empathy stems from. If a "thing" can't feel pain either emotionally or physically, , then my compassion belongs to the "thing" which does. Most retarded people ARE sentient and have the same capacity for suffering.
"Recognition of suffering" is the main determinant of human compassion for virtually everyone....and I'm positive the same applies to you.
leeharveyosmosis 3 months ago
@leeharveyosmosis can you prove a fetus doesn't feel or have emotions? If not then your the guy blowing up that building without checking for people.
skibumbilly 3 months ago
@JustinIsAlwaysWright Yeah, if you're pro-choice, that makes you Hitler. Good argument buddy <3 Now I'm going to go and do something better with my life than argue with you because you clearly are refusing to see this from any other perspective.
Also if someone I loved was in a coma for a very long time - eventually I probably would consider turning their life support off. Also, retarded? Come on dude, be a little more P.C.
ReebieJewitt 3 months ago
@ReebieJewitt your definitely NOT hitler but it makes you that guy that doesn't stand for whats right . What if your wrong about it not having life until the magic happens at three months? Its human life your betting on. I could understand it if maybe you believed in God because that would truely be a miracle for a soul to appear out of nowhere at three months as opposed to it being integral in its creation. But if you believe in God how could you think it ok to circumvent his plans.
skibumbilly 3 months ago
@JustinIsAlwaysWright That doesn't automatically mean it's 100% a fully formed human capable of sentient thought. Why is this bothering you so much? It's a differ of opinion.
ReebieJewitt 3 months ago
@JustinIsAlwaysWright No, because it is independent of it's mother and has sentient thought and actions. That's why you can only abort a baby in my opinion up to three months after conception; because after that it completely feels pain and is aware as to what is going on. Really, before then the baby is just a cluster of cells growing within the mother with a basic nervous system. You're not going to change my opinion; notice how I'm not trying to change yours.
ReebieJewitt 3 months ago
This video proves nothing. Ray on the other hand, brings up many interesting, valid points. But I'll admit it, the guilt trip sucks, especially if you're guilty (which everybody is). As George Carlin once said, "Your Birth Certificate is proof of guilt"! And YES, I used the quote from a self professed athiest on purpose!
Rattlehead2000 3 months ago
@JustinIsAlwaysWright Look, I understand that. It looks like we will never agree so let's not be keyboard warriors. I'll say this; if the woman doesn't want an abortion that is amazing. She is strong, and I could honestly say I'd look up to her for getting through that. But some women wouldn't even be able to cope with the pregnancy without going insane; let alone the birth and giving it away. Everyone is different.
ReebieJewitt 3 months ago
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If a woman has an unwanted pregnancy and has no desire to raise a child, then she can abort. Simple isn't it? Anyone who thinks abortion is horrible, never has to have one.
geezusispan 3 months ago
Ans by this video typical have just proved that people's minds were changed by this message...what's evil about that?
dragonking700 3 months ago
Uh huh, this is so terrible, and mediocre scientists forcing every child in america to learn about how they were descendants of apes is okay...im 'pro choice'. I say give the kids all the information and let them CHOOSE what to believe. But don't let them choose to murder another human being for selfish reasons.
dragonking700 3 months ago
Life allows each of us to post our opinions about abortion. How about giving the child that same chance at life and their own opinion?!
MrFunBusiness 3 months ago
Why do people feel they have a right to kill a baby? It seems like the weak loving killing the weaker. I am sorry if you didn't wear protection or were raped. Please change the world and do something good by giving the baby a chance to live a full life like you have. Must be nice to be living and make decisions about death.
MrFunBusiness 3 months ago
@JustinIsAlwaysWright What, so your rape victims can give birth to your children? :') Why, that is such a genius plan :L
ReebieJewitt 3 months ago
@JustinIsAlwaysWright
Even the bible thumpers in Mississippi know that an embryo is not a person!!
geezusispan 3 months ago