@tiagandremo Yeah being one of the only countries able to reduce their population through a well structured plan, they are sooooo in the wrong. Damn China.
Rich dumbasses are causing starvation and poverty throughout the world! The rich are taking farm land from foreign countries and putting their stupid real estate shit! if we don't act now..
What I see is people enjoying life not noticing the serious problems going on in our planet in which we call home! We simply don't care about the environment!
People seem to completely miss the root cause of the over population. The world is not having more and more children. In fact in most nations the population pyramids are top heavy. That is there are far more adults than children. People are living long lives and I read that "2/3 of all seniors who have ever lived, are alive today". It isn't by eliminating tomorrow's generation that the problem will be fixed.
@MsColdCanada Its a combination of better health care and people having kids at a much younger age. Teenage pregnancy causes the imbalance. People should breed at an older age to offset the improved health care.
@thomas007 Maternal age at first birth is older now than ever before. In developed countries the majority of women are over the age of 25 before they have a child. How old do you think they should have to be?
@thomas007 Well I was 37 before I had my only child so I'm going to claim the moral high ground here. First you said teen pregnancy and now you say over 30. The question is when are you going to address the other half of the over population problem. The elderly should have an age cap, if were going to be ruthlessly sensible about this, should they not? At what age do you recommend we punch their number?
@MsColdCanada I didnt say off the old people. I just said part of the problem is we are seeing more and more teen pregnancies. It is contributing to the problem. I guess I see where the confusion was. Ok the proposal is basically we breed accordingly. Our health care is allowing people to live longer... So we raise the minimum age of breeding to 30+ to compensate. Thus older generation dies out, and newer generation comes in and we're not looking at increased demands for resources.
@MsColdCanada Canada. and i've lived all over Canada. When I was 16-19 I never saw one 14/15 year old getting knocked up. not one. Now it blows my mind how teen pregnancy has increased exponentially. We have tv shows glorifying this shit. Kids making pregnancy pacts, etc. Between Canada and the US.... I dunno somewhere along the way parenting went out the window and young teens are all opening their legs. Whatever happened to just being a kid and hanging out with friends?
@thomas007 Good gravy no. Your reasoning is all wrong. I'm Canadian and our birthrate is actually lower than China's. I kid you not! Theirs is 1.73 per woman and ours is 1.53 per woman, without a law. We aren't anywhere near the 2.1 replacement birthrate which is why we are so reliant on immigration from other countries.
1/3 of all first time mothers in Canada are over the age of 35, whereas in 1987 they were only 4% of all first time mothers. Stats Canada is better for your brain than TV.
@MsColdCanada Well I can't argue with stats canada. however I still think it's not a good idea to address this problem on a country by country basis. It would be better as a species to collectively set the standard. I think we wouldn't see as large of a problem as we are right now.
@thomas007 Why is it not a good idea to address it on a country by country basis? Some countries are breeding horribly out of control and some are not. Those who are not at replacement value are not contributing to this problem. Those who are far above replacement value are. I don't think it's acceptable to ask those who have only one to two offspring to have even fewer so that someone else can have 19. The problem needs solved where the problem occurs or if it ain't broke don't fix it.
@MsColdCanada Look at how much our species has swelled. We are addressing it on a country by country basis. It hasnt changed a thing. Its time to look at it as a whole. And i'm sorry but it's coming to a point where we need to put aside selfish needs and start coming together as a species to make a change. Otherwise you're gonna be thinking about this conversation 10 years from now where we're all killing each other over what little resources are left.
@thomas007 Oh, no! You are not going to managed to guilt me into believing that my having only one child to raise who I had at the age of 37 is a "selfish need". No way. I'm not having it. You can go preach that to someone else or you can go get stuffed. Either one.
@MsColdCanada I didnt say that. You had the child at an age I think is more than suitable. I think you're missing my point. Sorry to have offended you.
@thomas007 I must be missing your point because I was offended. It's not the first time in the 17 mths since he was born. You don't know how many tactless people have no qualms about coming right out and telling a perfect stranger that it's selfish or insane to bring a child into the world today. I've had it happen in person a few times and once is too many. Some are so adamant about it that they look at my child as if he's about to leap from his stroller and murder the world.
I see nothing wrong with allowing human birthrates to greatly exceed deathrates. I don't buy all that gloom-and-doom Malthusian poverty religion crap. Natural pop accumulation is GOOD, for more and more people would be glad to live.
I would agree somewhat with libs who would claim that as more people reach childbearing age, we should expect more people to become sexually active. What I don't agree with, is the irresponsibility going on. Let them open legs, but be responsible parents
Isn't it all the rampant contraceptive pushing, that's encouraging irresponsibility, by pretending that human copulation can somehow magically be divorced from human reproduction?
There are some good arguments for possibly somewhat more "teenage" pregnancies. What about 18 and 19 year olds, who responsibly marry first? Word "teenage" is a modern invention anyway, as not long ago, teenagers were effectively adults, and still are, in many developing countries.
The government will probably make it illegal to produce babies until the population literally dies down to a more sustainable level. Once it's suitable to reproduce again, it will be the next baby boom.
humans are stupid they say they either want to or are already doing things for this earth they fucking arent we are doing shit we are here to destroy our own planet human race will cease to exist trying to take as many other species as we can.
What are all of you conspiracy theorist worried about, lets see we got Nibru is going ot kill us? We got Gammaa Ray burst that are going to kill us? We got Solar Storms are going to klll us, We have Earth Quakes, Tsunamis, and A pole shift coming to wipe us out. If not then the Aliens will take us to different Worlds, or the Governent elites will start WW3. It will be fine.
@BudCharles999 We can implement the Logans Run Scenerio. after 30 years that it your toast not, but we could have voluntary suicides and we can start with the guys on this page who talk about Genocide. Where is the problem we have Oceans of Water and We can invent Solent Green Crackers. Just kidding . As for me and mine this side of my family will cease to exist on this Planet because my brother left no heir and i will leave no heir. Yeshua is coming Soon: He has the answer
@MrBeautifulba1 You misunderstood,me i have already got my reservation to eternal life, For the wages of sin is death but the gift of god is eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son Yeshua so that whosoever believes on him shall have eternal life God sent his Son into the world not to condemn the world but so that thru him the world might be saved. Their is a God, and He is a rewareder of those who dilegently seek him.
There's nothing wrong with having clean water, actually Americans use some of the cleanest water on earth, believe me I live in Oregon. You ever had an Earth2o bottled water? Opal Springs Oregon.
LESS PEOPLE = more water, more resources for everybody;
i seriously think countries will devise weapons to durastically reduce populations by either poisoning water/ food/ air or biochemical weapons. another solution is birth control ! Man is killing the human race off.......
In the world is not enough habitable and farmable land. The 6.8 billion people today needs three planets. The only way for better possibilities for all people is a reducing mankind to a lower population. Fewer people need fewer foods and fewer goods and resources.
@walthain I beleive that the population is being reduced these days ,that is the plan for the elites and also you can find it on the georgia guide stones.watch alex jones on youtube ,there's alot of people saying it will happen.
why would people even bother doing this documentary? i thought like 2012 was hyped up pretty good to make us scared. so what now? wanna make us buy books of how to do it yourself : surviving 2030 global crisis!
and waste our money and at 2030 no shit happens, then we feel cheated. oh what somemore?!?!?!?! come on american scientist! gimme more!
@GarryHarriman I suggest those who think overpopulation is THE problem point their whining at those guilty of fast growth - Africa & Muslim Asia. These two areas will provide 90% of all growth until the year 2030.
Dealing with reality, the UN has lowered their pop. estimates several times recently and the growth continues to decline each year since 2000., IN 2010 it was down to 1,13%
There are less than 7 billion people in our world (about 6.9 billion to be exact). If you took the entire population of the world (all 6.9 billion people), you could fit each individual into his or her own 33 foot by 32 foot cubicle. That equals 1,058 square feet PER PERSON. The State of Texas (USA) has 262,000 square miles of dry land. That translates into 7.33 TRILLION square feet. Since there are only 6.9 BILLION people, each person could fit into a 1,058 square foot cubicle.
Higher concentrations of CO2 and higher temperatures would actually be good for plant growth. The problems of overpopulation are in the failed states of Africa - that's where a Malthusian situation is likely to occur, although the result is more likely to be mass starvation in the Third World than a "collapse of world civilization".
Marxists have successfully managed to keep most poor countries from participating in the global capitalist economy. The results are depressingly predictable.
@DrCruel STOP being rational on Youtube! It must be global disaster, secret conspiracy or news on our hidden alien/Jewish/Vatican masters. Births are decreasing so rapid that 2050 world pop has been downgraded from 12 to 7-8 bil and - - you're right - growth is in developed lands.
Oddly, those advocating primitivism ignore the fact that only technology gives us the tools to combat huge huge problems. Media "solutions" (less toilet paper) are utterly inept yet grab all the attention.
@smb12321 It's a bit worse than that. My suggestion is that the "environmentalists" very much know that what they postulate doesn't make much sense, but go ahead with their dom and gloom prophesies anyway - mainly as an excuse to get free goodies from the industrialized, developed countries.
If the people advocating primitivism actually lived as primitives, rather than going to the most advanced country they can find and whining for their suppers, I'd have more respect for them.
@DrCruel Berkeley physicist Richard Muller authored "Physics for Future Presidents" that cuts through the BS (from Youtube & media idiots) & explains why fossil fuels are unbeatable in terms of efficiency. He says that temperatures have risen about 1 degree F in the past 100 yrs and its a 90% chance that half is due to humans. That makes sense to me. He (of course) does not see global gloom and doom because (again) technology will save us.
@smb12321 Actually I'm more a fan of nuclear fission. But there is a much better arbiter of what the most efficient energy source is - the global free market - and thus far, it agrees with Professor Muller.
As to whether significant global temperature changes are being caused by humans, or even whether temperatures are going up or down, I've seen nothing to convince me conclusively one way or the other. And I certainly see no reason to give environmentalists lots of money.
We have to stop worrying about starving masses. We are not the promiscuous hoards who had those children in the first place. They created their problems, and they should deal with it, not us. If you feed all the starving, they will just have more children. Thus, our charity makes the problem much worse.
By 2030 they could easily make space colonies up in space, where hundreds of millions of people may be able to live. Maybe billions the more colonies that are build. Come scientists talk to a rocket scientist. It's possible. Space could easily be the frontier, if the world doesn't e d before 2030 for some unknown reason as of yet. Some things of Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, etc, can be a reality. Talk to Nasa. lol Hey, it's possible.
Lol, you are very optimistic. The only thing we achieved so far towards space colonies is we were able to send a human to the moon!!!! We can't even send a human to the nearest planet, mars, yet. USA plans to land a man on mars by 2020, so do you think it will only take 10 years to build a colony on Mars and movies hundreds of millions? It would be an acheivment if we get 10 people on mars :P
@mhmmdashour ya I see your point, you're quite right. space doesn't really seem to be on many peoples minds lately. The Mars rovers have been the biggest news for space in recent history. It probably wil be 80 years for space colonies. If it came down to human survival, I'd hope we'd do whatever we can. I'd hope they'd rather do that than to kill 90% of the human beings to save the planet. Sadly I'd guess that wouldnt happen, they'd rather save money than save lives. Pisses me off.
For all of you motherfuckers who have more than 2 children, need to go fuck themselves!!!!! Im single and hate to work my ass off to make a living to pay those damn taxes to raise all of their's children!!!!! DON'T GO BEG THE GOV'T FOR MEDICARE OR MEDICATE. iF YOU CAN'T TAKE CARE OF YOUR BABIES, PLEASE DON'T have sex..
@Tien1185 thank you. i am 29 and have no children, work my ass off and i pay more taxes than someone with children. the ones popping them out are always the ones that cant afford them. and they didnt want them so they dont raise them right. we should get a tax break. we dont have children using the schools and jamming up the freeways that we pay more for. getting government spending money, food stamps, and free health clinic.
whether global warming is true or not, i'll say this-you HAVE to take care of the enviornment you live in!lets take an example of your bedroom.you would want to keep that place neat and tidy because if you dont,it'll look conjusted,full of dust,dirty,it might start smelling in there,you'll start getting rats and roaches running into your room at 3,4 o clock at night time etc. wouldn't you want to keep your room clean and take care of it?same goes with the environment we live.common sense O_o
In all seriousness, I'd like to know where you think these people would live. And then once you figure that out, I'd like you to figure out where food for 63 billion people would be grown. And then, since we aren't the only freaking animals on this planet, I'd like you tell me where all of the animals that are indirectly essential for our survival (ie worms etc) would live. The world is too crowded with only (ONLY!) 6 bill. of us. We have overmatched our capacity, and the repercussions will come
Well of course the planet can easily hold 8.3 billion people, but not very comfortably? I beg to differ. Sure, there is expected to be some minor "growing pains" from so many people enjoying having come alive at once. But why is comfort so overrated anyway? What is comfort? People can still drive their cars and run air conditioning, with so many people alive. Housing could become more cramped, overflowing with people, but not if we build more good housing and create the needed jobs.
Global Warming? No, more like climate change. I live in Canada and its getting colder here, the world isn't getting warmer. Everywhere is different. Climate change is a just a stage in Earth's natrual cycle. Earth's magenetic shield is weakenening because again, its just a cycle. Every hundred thousand years or so our magnetic shield "shifts" causeing it to be weaker during certain time periods. Very dangerous but many species managed to survive, and humans are meant to be adaptable.
Global population as a problem is just government propaganda. The world's populaion can fit on Australia alone at the moment. Birth rates are going to decrease in the coming decades and the baby boomers will become senior citizens.
It's not the scientists that are causing global warming, it's EVERYBODY. We have access to solar energy, to wind energy, to low-energy appliances and technology, elecric, zero emission vehicles-so why aren't we using them? Because the big guys that run corporations want to fill their pockets, and a self sustaining, environmentally friendly public would be their downfall. It's us that has to do something, the scientists can't cover everyone's asses.
We are actually bringing in a new technology where we can convert infra-red rays, from the sun and the earth itself, into electricity. The earth at night emits so much infra-red at night that one strip can power lots and lots(Not sure on the number but the strips aren't big they're like the size of a table mat) of light bulbs. =D.
I LOVE technology. They've also come up with vertical style green houses. If these are supported, they can create jobs for building/maintaining/and less useage of land for more produce. Not to mention, they take up WAY less land than plain plantations, so that means more conservation for our wildlife.
i think its about the time the world unites for a single cause. i mean we're all humans and we all share the same planet. its up to us to take reponsibility for our actions.
We must forget about green fuels based on cereals! We should feed on corn, not burn it in our cars. There are other ways of replacing the traditional fuels that should be faster developed instead.
I agree about the monetary system but you, greed is within most of us, quite a universal feature. Right now we really could provide enough food and energy for all round the globe. But later on? Imagine the population keeps on growing and growing. Could we (the Earth) meet that? I truly doubt it, we need to control the number of people somehow but have their needs satisfied, although it sounds even diabolic in a way...
I agree, which is why after I have a second kid (if I have more than one), I'm getting my tubes tied off. I think it's time for other large contries to instill a simular law that China has done so, before we end up breathing such toxic air.
Our systems have already begun to fail. We are pushing up against the finite limits of the global ecosystem, and our consumption and population are increasing exponentially worldwide. What goes up must come down, and we are skyrocketing up into a brick wall. It will probably all come down within the next half-century, and it will be a civilzational collapse the likes of which has never been seen before. The harder they come, the harder they fall. The "singularity" will be a disaster.
You made some good points here, Blackfish, but do you really think the technocratic globalized civilization will relinquish its power and allow human society to return to an egalitarian natural state? Highly, doubtful, to say the least. If we do return to our hunter/gatherer and/or horticultural roots, it will only be after a disaterous collapse of the megamachine. The human species may not survive theat collapse. If it does, we'll have another chance to do it right. I hope we can do it ...
scientist don't agree that my inner journey even exists ...actually they don't ever have solutions only bleak predictions...why should i believe them when I can have my own prediction?! everything is going to b just fine! (:
It's you who seems to be diverting attention 59. Look at your comments: Not a single reference to the actual video, just going after other people who are commenting here. diverting attention away from the issues. I have an idea... why don't you come up with an acual argument rather than attacking the commentators. They call what you are doing "trolling". So you are Troll Type59, unless you wish to find another reason for being on this forum.
One point agenda thats what you have. Everything is linked to one subject. I dont want to debate with you why because your not gonna change ur mind. Has anyone chanllenged your perspective? No they have not. You was challenged by someone but you neglected other nations part in global warming but blamed muslim nations. Does population growth add upto global warming. More to with Industrilisation that equals to global warming. LOike I said u dont give a crap abt what I
Troll Type59, 1st, your perspective on "global warming" is infantile and antiquated.(They don't even call it that any more) 2nd you see me as an interloper here, yet my posting here is a challenge to the sterile Islamo/Arab perspective that is needed. AJ embodies every false stereotype that the Islamic mind has deluded itself in for centuries. Until I brought it up, everyone here would see 9 children as normal. It isn't. Islam and the 3rd world is breeding people faster than the rest of us.
And you can prove it by... Oh, that's right, except for ad hominem attacks, you have no rebuttals. Prove any statment I made on my profile or any of my videos, or any comment forum is wrong. Prove me wrong, don't level insults and ad hominem, pick a topic or video I comment on at AJ or anywhere else and discuss without insults. I will "unhinge" your arguments. You mock what you fear yet you have no understanding even basic understanding of who I am or what motivates me. You Don't Know Me.
Did not finish comment but again you dont care about my opinion because it is worthless u, due I am seen as the enemy. Thus I am always wrong because I am seen to be brainwashed. I am right that you see me as your enemy??
I don't see you as an "enemy" I see you as a troll. That's how you presented yourself to me. I don't see Muslims as my enemy either. The Islamic mind is imbued with doctrine that is better fitted to the Arab bedouin culture from which Islam sprang. My quarrel has never been with the Muslims, but the mosques and the Arab media of hate. One need only look at the translations of Arab/Iranian broadcasts intro English to see the truth of this. AJ is nothing more than an Islamo/Arab propaganda outlet.
I see you as a product of years of brainwashing, but that doesn't mean that you bought it all hook line and sinker. All it means is that you've spent your life constantly being bombarded w/hate. I don't see everything that Israel does as justified, but the Arab/Islamic position forces one to take one side or the other. I watched over 4 decades Israeli reactions becoming more like the Arabs and after everything I've seen from the Arabs, I've become desensitized to it. I see AJ as a BS factory.
I agree. They seem to swarm al jazeera. Look at bbc, cnn and other major western networks youtube page, you will see they have less viewers. I think some people believe they need to counter al jazeera "propaganda". I think they percieve it as a threat to the west. I wish I was joking but I seen this type of things occur.
I made no such statements. As for your statement above this one...Would you agree that 6 billion plus using more efficient machines, processes and lives more in tune with the environment can live better than the project 8 billion?
I was replying to ogapadoga, "population control" isn't a problem in the west, among the indigenous populations of Europe, and North America. China has problems with it, as does India, but tell me: How many children do European or American families have on average? How many do Muslim or Arab families have? I replied to ogapadoga's remark. It is You who strayed off topic in that context. 3/4 of the population lives at or near the equator, the 3rd world.(a large portion of which is Muslim)
So what the USA should do is let people like you administer our resources so everyone gets some, and noone has more than they need. I'll pass your observations along to the proper authorities. BTW, I find many of your comments personally insulting...Was that your goal? "There's only so much land on this planet. " That was a statement that you seem to think is "infantile" I find you tedious and insulting. There is only room for your generalizations here. Instead of badanage, I get labels. TEDIOUS
No, you're right, the Taliban isn't damaging the world really. Nor would their takeover of it. In fact, decomposing bodies make great fertilizer. As for the number of topics: I'm discussing the population explosion, not deflectiong the attention away from it by blaming "the west's opulent lifestyle..." for the problems. There's only so much land on this planet. What do you think of the fact that the only creatures on this planet that are multiplying faster than us are vermin and insects.
Yes, we opulent westerners are the real problem. Why we should return to the agrarian lifestyle of the 7th century just like the Taliban has shown us in Afghanistan. Women don't need schooling to have babies and we don't need things like cars, trains, and airplanes...All we need is a donkey, a goat, a patch of earth and 4 wives. No Drs... There are enough people anyway. Damn us Westerners for our "inovations" and new-fangled progress. Damn us for it.
And yet, the USA gives tens of Billions in food to the world. That's my $ being spent to feed the starving. You say "..enough food for us all." I say By the time Islam's latest jihad is over and Europe has fallen and the US, Canada, India and China are embattled by them...There wont be anymore. There is only so much arable land on the planet. Palestinians without even a Job have 14 kids, and it's worldwide now. Muslim families emigrate to the west and overburden our social programs. TRUTH!
So then it's Americans eating the Arab and Egyptians grain and corn...not the other way around. It's America and Europe eating the Palestinian's rice and flour, not the other way around. The OIC(56 Islamic countries) constitutes what...45 of the poorest countries in the world and represent the fastest exploding population. (people = pop.) Yet it is America who is eating all the food. Us Americans should give our food away since we have so much....wait, that's right...WE DO! We FEED THEM!
The population cycle is on a steep rise right now, and has been for generations. It can't ever go down, can it? Like the stock market, real estate and derivatives bubbles - they couldn't go down either. But they did - oops. Prepare for a massive die-off in the next 50 years.
Your comparison of human population growth, to the stock market, is invalid. Like comparing apples and oranges. The stock, and other economic markets, are destabilized by too much marxist centralized planning, unjust taxation corruption system, and fiat paper currency designed to lose its value and transfer the people's wealth to the government. This greatly intensifies the boom-bust cycle and hinders finding a natural flow and balance
@pronatalist - thanks for your comments. I suspect human population growth more closely resembles bacterial growth on a Petri dish - exponential growth until the entire surface of the dish is covered, then slow poisoning from the bacterial waste products leading to almost complete die-off. Fortunately for humanity, we are not total slaves to statistics, and will most likely find a way to stabilize populations on a local basis (one silly example: throwing up walls and evicting immigrants).
That's the wrong metaphor. Don't believe the lies of the New World Order control freak elitists. We humans aren't bacteria, we aren't parasites, we are created in God's image, and each and every human being has immense and sacred value. So our natural multiplication must be a GOOD thing. A far better metaphor is that the growing human race resembles a global pregnancy. It must grow to be healthy, all parts must grow, growing promotes life
Even if we throw up walls, what about the natural increase of some 310 million Americans including immigrants with high birth rates? We'll still have to grow somewhat
Let's not evict immigrants who are productive members of society. Problem is,wild immigration isn't compatible with welfare state,and DemocRATS want to bring in flood immigrants thinking them easy DemocRAT votes, as they destroy their base. If immigrants were voting for Republicans, DemocRATS would change tune real fast
Actually, you should want for world population growth to rise more "out of control," so that the New World Order control freaks might finally shut up about it. If everybody around was having babies, who would dare talk nonsense about "too many" babies? No, the peer pressure would be for baby booms to be contagious and spread, and to ADAPT. But the more they can dupe us into giving up our rights, and they more they deceive, the more liberty and taxes they want to steal from us further.
Do bacteria build cities and freeways and electricity power plants, libraries, bookstores, universities, reseach centers? Are bacteria even aware of their own growth? The metaphor just doesn't hold in any meaningful way.
Humans know we are growing, and make provision and allowance for this. Pronatalism helps keep us on track and progressing, as we humans really do want to multiply our numbers. God has put it in our hearts to seek our multiplication and increase. But we forgot God?
@pronatalist Ok I know you're like a crazy religious person, but I just want to point out that Earth is exactly like the petridish. If we continue to grow like we do, we will eventually breach the basic reasorce output limits on food and water. Some "colonies" on our "petridish" will reach this state much sooner than others, so people there might start mass migrating towards the remaining productive sectors, whereas, they won't be welcome, at least not in such numbers.
The petri dish doesn't work as a metaphor. Surely you aren't going to tell me, that bacteria are as smart as people, and can easily ADAPT to their rising numbers?
Humans have proved very clever in expanding the resources we can harvest or mine, and at finding good substitutions
Many, many times, villages have grown or merged into towns, towns grown and merged into cities, even huge cities can coelesce into megacities and conurbations, with obviously "less than catastrophic results"
In the past, growing tribes had the luxury of the option of moving farther apart, as Abraham and Lot's growing tribes choose to do. But obviously, there's but just so far people can spread out, on a spherical globe, before they run into themselves again. But aren't you forgetting the other 2 perceptional dimensions people can spread into? Not only Outwards, but Inwards, and Upwards. We can infill underutilized space and grow denser, also people can be stacked into beautiful highrises
So what does an overflowing petri dish (the globe) look like? About like the futuristic The Jetsons cartoon. Why is it just so "normal" for everybody to live in spacious highrises with a view of other spacious highrises?
See, the petri dish metaphor isn't very useful, as bacteria don't accommodate their rising numbers, as humans can steadily figure out how to do.
Also, I don't see much time remaining before the Biblical endtimes, so we aren't talking all that many more billions.
@pronatalist I'm not so much worried about the space, but more about food and water, and protecting the remaining wildlife, which is precious beyond account. If space was the only issue, it would be no argument. Space is the Universe's most abundant resource. If we go about the way you want, we have to cultivate every suitable suface, sacrifcing whats left. We'll have to modify the dna of any crop, and finally even have to syntesize basic nutrients for the poor, not able to afford organic food.
The "remaining wildlife" do not pay taxes, nor do they vote, so why would they be priority with me? I mean there is something terribly wrong, when interests are supposedly heard at the discussion table, that can't speak, don't know what they want if at all, and are heard dishonestly, to the extent that we common citizens, taxpayers are ignored or even persecuted, by the evil globalists.
Yes, I say let us grow denser and denser, even if farms and gardens have to grow denser also.
@pronatalist "The "remaining wildlife" do not pay taxes, nor do they vote, so why would they be priority with me?" Are you serious? What about forests, preserving water for us throughout dry seasons. If you cut them down, the water from heavy rainfalls will qickly waporize or flow back to the oceans, and all crops in the region will fail. Many dry and hot regions in the developed world depend on ground water reservoirs, but these are about to be depleted throught the world.
I read in an "overpopulation" article, that we may be headed for a future "Baby Blast" if the half of people in the world, using contraception, isn't soon increased to 75%. When are people going to wisen up, and see how we are being played like a fiddle by the evil globalists? They invent some phony crisis, as an excuse to get us to give up our freedom, and allow ourselves to be manipulated by the evil rampant Big Pharma, eco-freak, power controller mongers, contraceptive pushers.
If a natural "Baby Blast" is indeed coming, we would do best to EMBRACE it and not resist it at all. Celebrate the world's "burgeoning billions" and invite and urge them to come freely, unrestrained. As author Julian Simon claims, people are "The Ultimate Resource," to say the least. Do not believe the power control freaks who wish to massage or manipulate any supposed crisis into an excuse to rob us of our individual rights and Constitutionally-protected and God-given freedom.
@pronatalist Also you forget that bacteria extend in all dimentions too, as long as there is enough food, stacking on-top of each other, piling up their filth beneith them as they do so. Even if you constantly replenish the same amount of nutrients at fixed intervals, like the Sun replenish Earth's bioenergy, they will still get overpopulated, just like we will if we exceed that yieldable energy input.
Don't you know those mad-scientists are just itching to try out their GMO crops, regardless whether the human race is growing denser, and in need of more efficient crops or not. Have you not heard how many people hate Monsanto, and insist upon their God-given right to save seed? How do those mad scientists, think they can put patents upon LIFE, what God created?
I am so sick of those patronizing evil people, who pretend like the poor need their "help," meaning more gov, less freedom
How many farmers are being abused, arrested, being put out of business, because they refuse to follow, or can't follow unjust rules, of endless gov subsidies, violating contracts to not save seed? Look into this cabal abuse of power, and how farmers are being put under some evil mafia of unjust rules and economic manipulation.
How many poor people are denied any land at all, such that why should they make any effort to build nice homes, when their property rights aren't respected?
So why shouldn't multiplying human populations, also extend in all available dimensions? Seems to be what the people want, they like growing more and more abundant, and in developing countries still more pronatalist than us, people still are proud to have many children. They ought to be, for it's a great honor to be doing their part to help human life spread.
Again, bacteria is the wrong metaphor. It's a constructive natural process, like an advancing pregnancy needing to grow.
@pronatalist BTW, at our present technological level, we are already overpopulated in terms of renewable resource consumption. If every person in the world where to enjoy the average western standard of living, which all indications suggest they would if they could, we'd need four Earths. That is because modern man needs more than just basic food and water. It's true that we have technologies, either ready or under conception, that can reduce our wastefulness, but with the current economical...
@kreaturen, system, there's no way we'll make it in time at this rate. The west is too slow to re-invent itself, and the functional part of the developing world, choose to make the exact same mistakes we did. No one knows who will pay the full price in the end, or how hard it will hit us, but I'm pretty sure we'll get to see dispear beyond our wildest imagination in the dysfunctional, overpopulated, corners of the world.
Not only would we have a duty to somehow admit the colonists back, but to also allow people to keep growing their families freely without use of any "birth control."
No, the people and the economy does ADAPT quickly. But the real reason why we are doing so poorly employing people, is because we are OVERTAXED AND OVER-REGULATED. The evil politicians are so overloading the economy with their stupid meddling, as to make it seriously stunted
The real problem in the West, is that we have had it so good for so long, we have forgotten to teach our children the basis and foundation for our freedom, and are letting the evil socialist marxists take over our governments. Which is putting us behind economically, under growing mountains of false Keynesian-economy debt.
I wouldn't be surprised anymore, if some of the developing countries pass us on by economically, become First World nations while we go back to being Third World.
@pronatalist You speak of returning colonists... What if native americans where to have their land back? All decendants of the colonists had to go back to the old world. That would be roughly 1 billion people being relocated. It's no way that would go smoothly, and no economy could handle it. I guess if we had billions of brethren stranded in space, we'd have no choice but to try and shelter them, but I'm sure we'd have a hard time feeding them, and incorporate them smoothly into our economy.
@pronatalist And what if India's booming economy get stunted by climate change, which we're having whether it's man made or not, and they are unable to be self-supportive of their soon to be 2 billion people, half of which will be poor. What do we do in such a case, when 1 billion people face starvation simultaniously, and with no chance that the drought will pass? India is already one of the hottest fertile regions on Earth, and could easily turn into a desert with rizing temperatures.
What a big lie. The earth has enough to feed all. Stop forcing urbanization.
drsugarcane 1 month ago
"all the nations of the world working together" yeah right. Were fucked
johnny24357 3 months ago 2
this is china's fault
tiagandremo 3 months ago
@tiagandremo Yeah being one of the only countries able to reduce their population through a well structured plan, they are sooooo in the wrong. Damn China.
TheKmank1 2 months ago
*sigh* oh my, another way that the humans will make themselves extinct, yawn
xxchimakaraxx 5 months ago
people work together? no way sadly if there is money
Norbyusz 7 months ago
kill more people in the 3rd world and we will be fine.
usterdboy 8 months ago
lets see..... poor family already have great troubles feeding 1 child... why not have more! o.o....
k3ldo69 8 months ago 2
people in poor countries need to be sterilized
oscie1 8 months ago
Rich dumbasses are causing starvation and poverty throughout the world! The rich are taking farm land from foreign countries and putting their stupid real estate shit! if we don't act now..
unknowndude941 8 months ago
What I see is people enjoying life not noticing the serious problems going on in our planet in which we call home! We simply don't care about the environment!
unknowndude941 8 months ago
People seem to completely miss the root cause of the over population. The world is not having more and more children. In fact in most nations the population pyramids are top heavy. That is there are far more adults than children. People are living long lives and I read that "2/3 of all seniors who have ever lived, are alive today". It isn't by eliminating tomorrow's generation that the problem will be fixed.
MsColdCanada 8 months ago 2
@MsColdCanada Its a combination of better health care and people having kids at a much younger age. Teenage pregnancy causes the imbalance. People should breed at an older age to offset the improved health care.
thomas007 7 months ago
@thomas007 Maternal age at first birth is older now than ever before. In developed countries the majority of women are over the age of 25 before they have a child. How old do you think they should have to be?
MsColdCanada 7 months ago
@MsColdCanada 30+ years
thomas007 7 months ago
@thomas007 Well I was 37 before I had my only child so I'm going to claim the moral high ground here. First you said teen pregnancy and now you say over 30. The question is when are you going to address the other half of the over population problem. The elderly should have an age cap, if were going to be ruthlessly sensible about this, should they not? At what age do you recommend we punch their number?
MsColdCanada 7 months ago
@MsColdCanada I didnt say off the old people. I just said part of the problem is we are seeing more and more teen pregnancies. It is contributing to the problem. I guess I see where the confusion was. Ok the proposal is basically we breed accordingly. Our health care is allowing people to live longer... So we raise the minimum age of breeding to 30+ to compensate. Thus older generation dies out, and newer generation comes in and we're not looking at increased demands for resources.
thomas007 7 months ago
@thomas007 Where are you that you're seeing more teen pregnancies than before?
MsColdCanada 7 months ago
@MsColdCanada Canada. and i've lived all over Canada. When I was 16-19 I never saw one 14/15 year old getting knocked up. not one. Now it blows my mind how teen pregnancy has increased exponentially. We have tv shows glorifying this shit. Kids making pregnancy pacts, etc. Between Canada and the US.... I dunno somewhere along the way parenting went out the window and young teens are all opening their legs. Whatever happened to just being a kid and hanging out with friends?
thomas007 7 months ago
@thomas007 Good gravy no. Your reasoning is all wrong. I'm Canadian and our birthrate is actually lower than China's. I kid you not! Theirs is 1.73 per woman and ours is 1.53 per woman, without a law. We aren't anywhere near the 2.1 replacement birthrate which is why we are so reliant on immigration from other countries.
1/3 of all first time mothers in Canada are over the age of 35, whereas in 1987 they were only 4% of all first time mothers. Stats Canada is better for your brain than TV.
MsColdCanada 7 months ago
@MsColdCanada Well I can't argue with stats canada. however I still think it's not a good idea to address this problem on a country by country basis. It would be better as a species to collectively set the standard. I think we wouldn't see as large of a problem as we are right now.
thomas007 7 months ago
@thomas007 Why is it not a good idea to address it on a country by country basis? Some countries are breeding horribly out of control and some are not. Those who are not at replacement value are not contributing to this problem. Those who are far above replacement value are. I don't think it's acceptable to ask those who have only one to two offspring to have even fewer so that someone else can have 19. The problem needs solved where the problem occurs or if it ain't broke don't fix it.
MsColdCanada 7 months ago
@MsColdCanada Look at how much our species has swelled. We are addressing it on a country by country basis. It hasnt changed a thing. Its time to look at it as a whole. And i'm sorry but it's coming to a point where we need to put aside selfish needs and start coming together as a species to make a change. Otherwise you're gonna be thinking about this conversation 10 years from now where we're all killing each other over what little resources are left.
thomas007 7 months ago
@thomas007 Oh, no! You are not going to managed to guilt me into believing that my having only one child to raise who I had at the age of 37 is a "selfish need". No way. I'm not having it. You can go preach that to someone else or you can go get stuffed. Either one.
MsColdCanada 7 months ago
@MsColdCanada I didnt say that. You had the child at an age I think is more than suitable. I think you're missing my point. Sorry to have offended you.
thomas007 7 months ago
@thomas007 I must be missing your point because I was offended. It's not the first time in the 17 mths since he was born. You don't know how many tactless people have no qualms about coming right out and telling a perfect stranger that it's selfish or insane to bring a child into the world today. I've had it happen in person a few times and once is too many. Some are so adamant about it that they look at my child as if he's about to leap from his stroller and murder the world.
MsColdCanada 7 months ago
@thomas007
I see nothing wrong with allowing human birthrates to greatly exceed deathrates. I don't buy all that gloom-and-doom Malthusian poverty religion crap. Natural pop accumulation is GOOD, for more and more people would be glad to live.
I would agree somewhat with libs who would claim that as more people reach childbearing age, we should expect more people to become sexually active. What I don't agree with, is the irresponsibility going on. Let them open legs, but be responsible parents
pronatalist 4 months ago
@thomas007
Isn't it all the rampant contraceptive pushing, that's encouraging irresponsibility, by pretending that human copulation can somehow magically be divorced from human reproduction?
There are some good arguments for possibly somewhat more "teenage" pregnancies. What about 18 and 19 year olds, who responsibly marry first? Word "teenage" is a modern invention anyway, as not long ago, teenagers were effectively adults, and still are, in many developing countries.
No need to "compensate"
pronatalist 4 months ago
The government will probably make it illegal to produce babies until the population literally dies down to a more sustainable level. Once it's suitable to reproduce again, it will be the next baby boom.
mkellerdesign 9 months ago 2
humans are stupid they say they either want to or are already doing things for this earth they fucking arent we are doing shit we are here to destroy our own planet human race will cease to exist trying to take as many other species as we can.
trueong577 9 months ago
What are all of you conspiracy theorist worried about, lets see we got Nibru is going ot kill us? We got Gammaa Ray burst that are going to kill us? We got Solar Storms are going to klll us, We have Earth Quakes, Tsunamis, and A pole shift coming to wipe us out. If not then the Aliens will take us to different Worlds, or the Governent elites will start WW3. It will be fine.
Mrpl778 10 months ago
@Mrpl778 We can prevent this one.
BudCharles999 9 months ago
@BudCharles999 We can implement the Logans Run Scenerio. after 30 years that it your toast not, but we could have voluntary suicides and we can start with the guys on this page who talk about Genocide. Where is the problem we have Oceans of Water and We can invent Solent Green Crackers. Just kidding . As for me and mine this side of my family will cease to exist on this Planet because my brother left no heir and i will leave no heir. Yeshua is coming Soon: He has the answer
Mrpl778 9 months ago
@Mrpl778 My point is, this time we CAN avoid (with a lot of trouble) all getting killed, as opposed to a gamma ray burst.
BudCharles999 9 months ago
@Mrpl778 Excellent choice sir. I shall join you and your brother. I too will cease to exist on this devolving shopping mall of a planet.
MrBeautifulba1 9 months ago
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@MrBeautifulba1 You misunderstood,me i have already got my reservation to eternal life, For the wages of sin is death but the gift of god is eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son Yeshua so that whosoever believes on him shall have eternal life God sent his Son into the world not to condemn the world but so that thru him the world might be saved. Their is a God, and He is a rewareder of those who dilegently seek him.
Mrpl778 9 months ago
@Mrpl778 silly christian myths are for kids
maestro4110 8 months ago
@Mrpl778 Amen on that last statement! :D
Burdlover 8 months ago
There's nothing wrong with having clean water, actually Americans use some of the cleanest water on earth, believe me I live in Oregon. You ever had an Earth2o bottled water? Opal Springs Oregon.
Gaelheretic4 11 months ago
Universal access to voluntary contraception and awareness of the issue is the solution. Watch "overconsumpulation" for more info.
phillips78 11 months ago
GENOCIDE is the answer.
XDeadlyXDieselX 1 year ago
LESS PEOPLE = more water, more resources for everybody;
i seriously think countries will devise weapons to durastically reduce populations by either poisoning water/ food/ air or biochemical weapons. another solution is birth control ! Man is killing the human race off.......
MrChopperdave 1 year ago
@MrChopperdave less people = less life No church or mosque is going to accept this
AFGuidesHD 11 months ago
@AFGuidesHD more ppl = no jobs no food more crime
ifartnaked 11 months ago
@ifartnaked like i said
AFGuidesHD 11 months ago
@AFGuidesHD nahhh
ifartnaked 11 months ago
@ifartnaked ok then which governement is going to slaughter their population huh?
AFGuidesHD 11 months ago
In the world is not enough habitable and farmable land. The 6.8 billion people today needs three planets. The only way for better possibilities for all people is a reducing mankind to a lower population. Fewer people need fewer foods and fewer goods and resources.
walthain 1 year ago
@walthain I beleive that the population is being reduced these days ,that is the plan for the elites and also you can find it on the georgia guide stones.watch alex jones on youtube ,there's alot of people saying it will happen.
66graciezj 1 year ago
hemp can save the world. but the government refuses to let it be industrialized.
kirbz01 1 year ago
why would people even bother doing this documentary? i thought like 2012 was hyped up pretty good to make us scared. so what now? wanna make us buy books of how to do it yourself : surviving 2030 global crisis!
and waste our money and at 2030 no shit happens, then we feel cheated. oh what somemore?!?!?!?! come on american scientist! gimme more!
cacatboy 1 year ago
@GarryHarriman I suggest those who think overpopulation is THE problem point their whining at those guilty of fast growth - Africa & Muslim Asia. These two areas will provide 90% of all growth until the year 2030.
Dealing with reality, the UN has lowered their pop. estimates several times recently and the growth continues to decline each year since 2000., IN 2010 it was down to 1,13%
smb12321 1 year ago
Genetically modify foods to be nutrient deficient and make them the only food available to us so we all die thats the plan.
SevenLeggedWalrus 1 year ago
@GarryHarriman
you need to go back to school and learn how to spell and use proper grammar moron.
downy62 1 year ago
There are less than 7 billion people in our world (about 6.9 billion to be exact). If you took the entire population of the world (all 6.9 billion people), you could fit each individual into his or her own 33 foot by 32 foot cubicle. That equals 1,058 square feet PER PERSON. The State of Texas (USA) has 262,000 square miles of dry land. That translates into 7.33 TRILLION square feet. Since there are only 6.9 BILLION people, each person could fit into a 1,058 square foot cubicle.
KedarOfHope 1 year ago
Don't worry. Nuclear war will commence and we can all start over again.
Axxeleration84 1 year ago
Higher concentrations of CO2 and higher temperatures would actually be good for plant growth. The problems of overpopulation are in the failed states of Africa - that's where a Malthusian situation is likely to occur, although the result is more likely to be mass starvation in the Third World than a "collapse of world civilization".
Marxists have successfully managed to keep most poor countries from participating in the global capitalist economy. The results are depressingly predictable.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel STOP being rational on Youtube! It must be global disaster, secret conspiracy or news on our hidden alien/Jewish/Vatican masters. Births are decreasing so rapid that 2050 world pop has been downgraded from 12 to 7-8 bil and - - you're right - growth is in developed lands.
Oddly, those advocating primitivism ignore the fact that only technology gives us the tools to combat huge huge problems. Media "solutions" (less toilet paper) are utterly inept yet grab all the attention.
smb12321 1 year ago
@smb12321 It's a bit worse than that. My suggestion is that the "environmentalists" very much know that what they postulate doesn't make much sense, but go ahead with their dom and gloom prophesies anyway - mainly as an excuse to get free goodies from the industrialized, developed countries.
If the people advocating primitivism actually lived as primitives, rather than going to the most advanced country they can find and whining for their suppers, I'd have more respect for them.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Berkeley physicist Richard Muller authored "Physics for Future Presidents" that cuts through the BS (from Youtube & media idiots) & explains why fossil fuels are unbeatable in terms of efficiency. He says that temperatures have risen about 1 degree F in the past 100 yrs and its a 90% chance that half is due to humans. That makes sense to me. He (of course) does not see global gloom and doom because (again) technology will save us.
smb12321 1 year ago
@smb12321 Actually I'm more a fan of nuclear fission. But there is a much better arbiter of what the most efficient energy source is - the global free market - and thus far, it agrees with Professor Muller.
As to whether significant global temperature changes are being caused by humans, or even whether temperatures are going up or down, I've seen nothing to convince me conclusively one way or the other. And I certainly see no reason to give environmentalists lots of money.
DrCruel 1 year ago
if we somehow convince africa to use some condoms and to convince asia to do the same and maybe we have hope :)
XxUlTiMATESHAGUARxX 1 year ago
We have to stop worrying about starving masses. We are not the promiscuous hoards who had those children in the first place. They created their problems, and they should deal with it, not us. If you feed all the starving, they will just have more children. Thus, our charity makes the problem much worse.
MrStillmans 1 year ago
Tell this information in high school sex ed classes.
samiam1995 1 year ago
We can't afford the future. Not even if the population stopped growing right now today.
Meanwhile, the band continues playing.
taufactor 1 year ago
"...can only be tackled by all the nations of the world, working together."
I shudder to think the level of mutual catastrophe that would make that happen.
taufactor 1 year ago
oh no...too many people no more food
1zootub 1 year ago
By 2030 they could easily make space colonies up in space, where hundreds of millions of people may be able to live. Maybe billions the more colonies that are build. Come scientists talk to a rocket scientist. It's possible. Space could easily be the frontier, if the world doesn't e d before 2030 for some unknown reason as of yet. Some things of Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, etc, can be a reality. Talk to Nasa. lol Hey, it's possible.
greenhorns99 1 year ago
@greenhorns99
Lol, you are very optimistic. The only thing we achieved so far towards space colonies is we were able to send a human to the moon!!!! We can't even send a human to the nearest planet, mars, yet. USA plans to land a man on mars by 2020, so do you think it will only take 10 years to build a colony on Mars and movies hundreds of millions? It would be an acheivment if we get 10 people on mars :P
mhmmdashour 1 year ago
@mhmmdashour ya I see your point, you're quite right. space doesn't really seem to be on many peoples minds lately. The Mars rovers have been the biggest news for space in recent history. It probably wil be 80 years for space colonies. If it came down to human survival, I'd hope we'd do whatever we can. I'd hope they'd rather do that than to kill 90% of the human beings to save the planet. Sadly I'd guess that wouldnt happen, they'd rather save money than save lives. Pisses me off.
greenhorns99 1 year ago
@mhmmdashour Anyways, I'm not talking Mars colonies. I'm talking in actual space, like a ship but much larger and stationary.
greenhorns99 1 year ago
Damn, I'll only be 40 then. I'll still be relivatly young...
Superflykid2008 1 year ago
@PercysPants haha worms will live in the ground where they have lived ever since the beginning of time. lol
xTripleDoublex 1 year ago
Damn generation y and z are fucked!!!
Superflykid2008 1 year ago
The world populatin is NOT growing the last years!!
ArubaSailing 1 year ago
@ArubaSailing Yeah, but this is from al-Jazeera, It's supposed to be bullshit.
DrCruel 1 year ago
For all of you motherfuckers who have more than 2 children, need to go fuck themselves!!!!! Im single and hate to work my ass off to make a living to pay those damn taxes to raise all of their's children!!!!! DON'T GO BEG THE GOV'T FOR MEDICARE OR MEDICATE. iF YOU CAN'T TAKE CARE OF YOUR BABIES, PLEASE DON'T have sex..
Tien1185 1 year ago
@Tien1185 thank you. i am 29 and have no children, work my ass off and i pay more taxes than someone with children. the ones popping them out are always the ones that cant afford them. and they didnt want them so they dont raise them right. we should get a tax break. we dont have children using the schools and jamming up the freeways that we pay more for. getting government spending money, food stamps, and free health clinic.
danrichards23 1 year ago
Don't blame me I voted for Hitler
Jerman81 1 year ago
@Jerman81 lol thats was funny as hell! =D
danrichards23 1 year ago
whether global warming is true or not, i'll say this-you HAVE to take care of the enviornment you live in!lets take an example of your bedroom.you would want to keep that place neat and tidy because if you dont,it'll look conjusted,full of dust,dirty,it might start smelling in there,you'll start getting rats and roaches running into your room at 3,4 o clock at night time etc. wouldn't you want to keep your room clean and take care of it?same goes with the environment we live.common sense O_o
ODAL123 2 years ago
i didnt know conjusted was a word thanks for the fun fact
jason4themoney 2 years ago
@jason4themoney congested my bad XD
ODAL123 2 years ago
haha yeah..
if we get pass 2012 then maybe we got a shot at 2030
jason4themoney 2 years ago
i find it strange that we elect politicians to protect our rights and keep us free from tyranny, but now they are wanting to control everything.
ryanwilliammac 2 years ago
earth can support over 63 billion humans. AlJazeeraEnglish is funded by the BBC which is NWO, this is eugenics propaganda people
jihadage 2 years ago
BBC funds Al Jazeera English, haha thats like saying the National Heart Foundation supports McDonalds hahaha...... IDIOT!
reddesertsands 2 years ago
In all seriousness, I'd like to know where you think these people would live. And then once you figure that out, I'd like you to figure out where food for 63 billion people would be grown. And then, since we aren't the only freaking animals on this planet, I'd like you tell me where all of the animals that are indirectly essential for our survival (ie worms etc) would live. The world is too crowded with only (ONLY!) 6 bill. of us. We have overmatched our capacity, and the repercussions will come
PercysPants 2 years ago
@jihadage yeah it can hold that much.... but not very comfortably lol
japsterman 1 year ago
@japsterman
Well of course the planet can easily hold 8.3 billion people, but not very comfortably? I beg to differ. Sure, there is expected to be some minor "growing pains" from so many people enjoying having come alive at once. But why is comfort so overrated anyway? What is comfort? People can still drive their cars and run air conditioning, with so many people alive. Housing could become more cramped, overflowing with people, but not if we build more good housing and create the needed jobs.
pronatalist 1 year ago
Global Warming? No, more like climate change. I live in Canada and its getting colder here, the world isn't getting warmer. Everywhere is different. Climate change is a just a stage in Earth's natrual cycle. Earth's magenetic shield is weakenening because again, its just a cycle. Every hundred thousand years or so our magnetic shield "shifts" causeing it to be weaker during certain time periods. Very dangerous but many species managed to survive, and humans are meant to be adaptable.
sgtodeath 2 years ago
True that dude
MutantKush 1 year ago
Global population as a problem is just government propaganda. The world's populaion can fit on Australia alone at the moment. Birth rates are going to decrease in the coming decades and the baby boomers will become senior citizens.
sgtodeath 2 years ago
The baby boomers are senior citizens.
And why, pray tell, will birth rates decrease? What magic will make that happen?
PercysPants 2 years ago
not to mention the retards that dont believe global warming is happening and the media doesnt talk about the important issues
MrScoopers103 2 years ago
i dont get it if people are so worried global warmingim (preety worried about it myself) why dosent scientests accualy do somthing
SuperMountaindrew 2 years ago
dumby scientists are doing everything they can its the politicians and the other world leaders who arent doing anything about it
MrScoopers103 2 years ago
It's not the scientists that are causing global warming, it's EVERYBODY. We have access to solar energy, to wind energy, to low-energy appliances and technology, elecric, zero emission vehicles-so why aren't we using them? Because the big guys that run corporations want to fill their pockets, and a self sustaining, environmentally friendly public would be their downfall. It's us that has to do something, the scientists can't cover everyone's asses.
S0XF0X 2 years ago
We are actually bringing in a new technology where we can convert infra-red rays, from the sun and the earth itself, into electricity. The earth at night emits so much infra-red at night that one strip can power lots and lots(Not sure on the number but the strips aren't big they're like the size of a table mat) of light bulbs. =D.
hbunnyo 2 years ago
I LOVE technology. They've also come up with vertical style green houses. If these are supported, they can create jobs for building/maintaining/and less useage of land for more produce. Not to mention, they take up WAY less land than plain plantations, so that means more conservation for our wildlife.
S0XF0X 2 years ago
IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS.
cerberusgoddog 2 years ago
i think its about the time the world unites for a single cause. i mean we're all humans and we all share the same planet. its up to us to take reponsibility for our actions.
sarimakbar 2 years ago
It was all good until he said "All the nations of the world has to cooperate"
As if that will ever happen.
DozleZabi 2 years ago
Hey, I saw a triangular UFO on 3/19/2009..
Lol, I'm not kidding
dellaire11 2 years ago
We must forget about green fuels based on cereals! We should feed on corn, not burn it in our cars. There are other ways of replacing the traditional fuels that should be faster developed instead.
malogolemo 2 years ago 2
I agree about the monetary system but you, greed is within most of us, quite a universal feature. Right now we really could provide enough food and energy for all round the globe. But later on? Imagine the population keeps on growing and growing. Could we (the Earth) meet that? I truly doubt it, we need to control the number of people somehow but have their needs satisfied, although it sounds even diabolic in a way...
malogolemo 2 years ago
there should be a certain number of children per family like 2 per couple. thats what they do in china now population control
theshortfuze 2 years ago
Well China did a thing where people could only have 1 child or something. If we even have a 'child quota' of 2 then population stops rising.
hbunnyo 2 years ago
I agree, which is why after I have a second kid (if I have more than one), I'm getting my tubes tied off. I think it's time for other large contries to instill a simular law that China has done so, before we end up breathing such toxic air.
S0XF0X 2 years ago
Our systems have already begun to fail. We are pushing up against the finite limits of the global ecosystem, and our consumption and population are increasing exponentially worldwide. What goes up must come down, and we are skyrocketing up into a brick wall. It will probably all come down within the next half-century, and it will be a civilzational collapse the likes of which has never been seen before. The harder they come, the harder they fall. The "singularity" will be a disaster.
luv2bud 2 years ago
You made some good points here, Blackfish, but do you really think the technocratic globalized civilization will relinquish its power and allow human society to return to an egalitarian natural state? Highly, doubtful, to say the least. If we do return to our hunter/gatherer and/or horticultural roots, it will only be after a disaterous collapse of the megamachine. The human species may not survive theat collapse. If it does, we'll have another chance to do it right. I hope we can do it ...
luv2bud 2 years ago 5
you fail for thinking of religion
FoxMedina 2 years ago
lol
FoxMedina 2 years ago
Oh, you caught that simile... Sorry. You were starting to get sort of "Al Gore preachy" there.
wideawake123 3 years ago
ah...did I forget to say? DON'T PANIC
bogdy72000 3 years ago
scientist don't agree that my inner journey even exists ...actually they don't ever have solutions only bleak predictions...why should i believe them when I can have my own prediction?! everything is going to b just fine! (:
bogdy72000 3 years ago
omg
armageddon is here nigga
WKaliberr 3 years ago
I just looked at his profile, what a sad boy. Funny how he diverts everything to islam and muslims.
Type59 3 years ago
It's you who seems to be diverting attention 59. Look at your comments: Not a single reference to the actual video, just going after other people who are commenting here. diverting attention away from the issues. I have an idea... why don't you come up with an acual argument rather than attacking the commentators. They call what you are doing "trolling". So you are Troll Type59, unless you wish to find another reason for being on this forum.
wideawake123 3 years ago
One point agenda thats what you have. Everything is linked to one subject. I dont want to debate with you why because your not gonna change ur mind. Has anyone chanllenged your perspective? No they have not. You was challenged by someone but you neglected other nations part in global warming but blamed muslim nations. Does population growth add upto global warming. More to with Industrilisation that equals to global warming. LOike I said u dont give a crap abt what I
Type59 3 years ago
Troll Type59, 1st, your perspective on "global warming" is infantile and antiquated.(They don't even call it that any more) 2nd you see me as an interloper here, yet my posting here is a challenge to the sterile Islamo/Arab perspective that is needed. AJ embodies every false stereotype that the Islamic mind has deluded itself in for centuries. Until I brought it up, everyone here would see 9 children as normal. It isn't. Islam and the 3rd world is breeding people faster than the rest of us.
wideawake123 3 years ago
wideawake just is an ass. Ignore him, people like that are unhinged.
Type59 3 years ago
And you can prove it by... Oh, that's right, except for ad hominem attacks, you have no rebuttals. Prove any statment I made on my profile or any of my videos, or any comment forum is wrong. Prove me wrong, don't level insults and ad hominem, pick a topic or video I comment on at AJ or anywhere else and discuss without insults. I will "unhinge" your arguments. You mock what you fear yet you have no understanding even basic understanding of who I am or what motivates me. You Don't Know Me.
wideawake123 3 years ago
Did not finish comment but again you dont care about my opinion because it is worthless u, due I am seen as the enemy. Thus I am always wrong because I am seen to be brainwashed. I am right that you see me as your enemy??
Type59 3 years ago
I don't see you as an "enemy" I see you as a troll. That's how you presented yourself to me. I don't see Muslims as my enemy either. The Islamic mind is imbued with doctrine that is better fitted to the Arab bedouin culture from which Islam sprang. My quarrel has never been with the Muslims, but the mosques and the Arab media of hate. One need only look at the translations of Arab/Iranian broadcasts intro English to see the truth of this. AJ is nothing more than an Islamo/Arab propaganda outlet.
wideawake123 3 years ago
I see you as a product of years of brainwashing, but that doesn't mean that you bought it all hook line and sinker. All it means is that you've spent your life constantly being bombarded w/hate. I don't see everything that Israel does as justified, but the Arab/Islamic position forces one to take one side or the other. I watched over 4 decades Israeli reactions becoming more like the Arabs and after everything I've seen from the Arabs, I've become desensitized to it. I see AJ as a BS factory.
wideawake123 3 years ago
I agree. They seem to swarm al jazeera. Look at bbc, cnn and other major western networks youtube page, you will see they have less viewers. I think some people believe they need to counter al jazeera "propaganda". I think they percieve it as a threat to the west. I wish I was joking but I seen this type of things occur.
Type59 3 years ago
It is pretty simple really. Love each other. Don't do drugs. Use a condom. Don't do religions.
Love is the answer.
BenetFleck 3 years ago 2
I made no such statements. As for your statement above this one...Would you agree that 6 billion plus using more efficient machines, processes and lives more in tune with the environment can live better than the project 8 billion?
wideawake123 3 years ago
I was replying to ogapadoga, "population control" isn't a problem in the west, among the indigenous populations of Europe, and North America. China has problems with it, as does India, but tell me: How many children do European or American families have on average? How many do Muslim or Arab families have? I replied to ogapadoga's remark. It is You who strayed off topic in that context. 3/4 of the population lives at or near the equator, the 3rd world.(a large portion of which is Muslim)
wideawake123 3 years ago
So what the USA should do is let people like you administer our resources so everyone gets some, and noone has more than they need. I'll pass your observations along to the proper authorities. BTW, I find many of your comments personally insulting...Was that your goal? "There's only so much land on this planet. " That was a statement that you seem to think is "infantile" I find you tedious and insulting. There is only room for your generalizations here. Instead of badanage, I get labels. TEDIOUS
wideawake123 3 years ago
No, you're right, the Taliban isn't damaging the world really. Nor would their takeover of it. In fact, decomposing bodies make great fertilizer. As for the number of topics: I'm discussing the population explosion, not deflectiong the attention away from it by blaming "the west's opulent lifestyle..." for the problems. There's only so much land on this planet. What do you think of the fact that the only creatures on this planet that are multiplying faster than us are vermin and insects.
wideawake123 3 years ago
Yes, we opulent westerners are the real problem. Why we should return to the agrarian lifestyle of the 7th century just like the Taliban has shown us in Afghanistan. Women don't need schooling to have babies and we don't need things like cars, trains, and airplanes...All we need is a donkey, a goat, a patch of earth and 4 wives. No Drs... There are enough people anyway. Damn us Westerners for our "inovations" and new-fangled progress. Damn us for it.
wideawake123 3 years ago
And yet, the USA gives tens of Billions in food to the world. That's my $ being spent to feed the starving. You say "..enough food for us all." I say By the time Islam's latest jihad is over and Europe has fallen and the US, Canada, India and China are embattled by them...There wont be anymore. There is only so much arable land on the planet. Palestinians without even a Job have 14 kids, and it's worldwide now. Muslim families emigrate to the west and overburden our social programs. TRUTH!
wideawake123 3 years ago
When are the real scientists going to get here ffs
Leading scientists, leading scientists blah blah
The media is a fucking joke, and the people know it.
I hope you guys have a change of underwear.
RexNunc 3 years ago
So then it's Americans eating the Arab and Egyptians grain and corn...not the other way around. It's America and Europe eating the Palestinian's rice and flour, not the other way around. The OIC(56 Islamic countries) constitutes what...45 of the poorest countries in the world and represent the fastest exploding population. (people = pop.) Yet it is America who is eating all the food. Us Americans should give our food away since we have so much....wait, that's right...WE DO! We FEED THEM!
wideawake123 3 years ago
....all nations of the world working together??? Hmmm... we're screwed!
CHEKA287 3 years ago
The population cycle is on a steep rise right now, and has been for generations. It can't ever go down, can it? Like the stock market, real estate and derivatives bubbles - they couldn't go down either. But they did - oops. Prepare for a massive die-off in the next 50 years.
audadvnc 3 years ago 5
@audadvnc 0
haha....I'll survive the next 50 years!!! I mean, I'm too young for this shit! I haven't even really lived yet
Superflykid2008 1 year ago
@audadvnc
Your comparison of human population growth, to the stock market, is invalid. Like comparing apples and oranges. The stock, and other economic markets, are destabilized by too much marxist centralized planning, unjust taxation corruption system, and fiat paper currency designed to lose its value and transfer the people's wealth to the government. This greatly intensifies the boom-bust cycle and hinders finding a natural flow and balance
While nature wants human pop growing and growing
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist - thanks for your comments. I suspect human population growth more closely resembles bacterial growth on a Petri dish - exponential growth until the entire surface of the dish is covered, then slow poisoning from the bacterial waste products leading to almost complete die-off. Fortunately for humanity, we are not total slaves to statistics, and will most likely find a way to stabilize populations on a local basis (one silly example: throwing up walls and evicting immigrants).
audadvnc 1 year ago
@audadvnc
That's the wrong metaphor. Don't believe the lies of the New World Order control freak elitists. We humans aren't bacteria, we aren't parasites, we are created in God's image, and each and every human being has immense and sacred value. So our natural multiplication must be a GOOD thing. A far better metaphor is that the growing human race resembles a global pregnancy. It must grow to be healthy, all parts must grow, growing promotes life
Pop "stabilization" is stagnation and tyranny
pronatalist 1 year ago
@audadvnc
Even if we throw up walls, what about the natural increase of some 310 million Americans including immigrants with high birth rates? We'll still have to grow somewhat
Let's not evict immigrants who are productive members of society. Problem is,wild immigration isn't compatible with welfare state,and DemocRATS want to bring in flood immigrants thinking them easy DemocRAT votes, as they destroy their base. If immigrants were voting for Republicans, DemocRATS would change tune real fast
pronatalist 1 year ago
@audadvnc
Actually, you should want for world population growth to rise more "out of control," so that the New World Order control freaks might finally shut up about it. If everybody around was having babies, who would dare talk nonsense about "too many" babies? No, the peer pressure would be for baby booms to be contagious and spread, and to ADAPT. But the more they can dupe us into giving up our rights, and they more they deceive, the more liberty and taxes they want to steal from us further.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@audadvnc
Do bacteria build cities and freeways and electricity power plants, libraries, bookstores, universities, reseach centers? Are bacteria even aware of their own growth? The metaphor just doesn't hold in any meaningful way.
Humans know we are growing, and make provision and allowance for this. Pronatalism helps keep us on track and progressing, as we humans really do want to multiply our numbers. God has put it in our hearts to seek our multiplication and increase. But we forgot God?
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist Ok I know you're like a crazy religious person, but I just want to point out that Earth is exactly like the petridish. If we continue to grow like we do, we will eventually breach the basic reasorce output limits on food and water. Some "colonies" on our "petridish" will reach this state much sooner than others, so people there might start mass migrating towards the remaining productive sectors, whereas, they won't be welcome, at least not in such numbers.
kreaturen 1 year ago
@kreaturen
The petri dish doesn't work as a metaphor. Surely you aren't going to tell me, that bacteria are as smart as people, and can easily ADAPT to their rising numbers?
Humans have proved very clever in expanding the resources we can harvest or mine, and at finding good substitutions
Many, many times, villages have grown or merged into towns, towns grown and merged into cities, even huge cities can coelesce into megacities and conurbations, with obviously "less than catastrophic results"
pronatalist 1 year ago
@kreaturen
In the past, growing tribes had the luxury of the option of moving farther apart, as Abraham and Lot's growing tribes choose to do. But obviously, there's but just so far people can spread out, on a spherical globe, before they run into themselves again. But aren't you forgetting the other 2 perceptional dimensions people can spread into? Not only Outwards, but Inwards, and Upwards. We can infill underutilized space and grow denser, also people can be stacked into beautiful highrises
pronatalist 1 year ago
@kreaturen
So what does an overflowing petri dish (the globe) look like? About like the futuristic The Jetsons cartoon. Why is it just so "normal" for everybody to live in spacious highrises with a view of other spacious highrises?
See, the petri dish metaphor isn't very useful, as bacteria don't accommodate their rising numbers, as humans can steadily figure out how to do.
Also, I don't see much time remaining before the Biblical endtimes, so we aren't talking all that many more billions.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist I'm not so much worried about the space, but more about food and water, and protecting the remaining wildlife, which is precious beyond account. If space was the only issue, it would be no argument. Space is the Universe's most abundant resource. If we go about the way you want, we have to cultivate every suitable suface, sacrifcing whats left. We'll have to modify the dna of any crop, and finally even have to syntesize basic nutrients for the poor, not able to afford organic food.
kreaturen 1 year ago
@kreaturen
The "remaining wildlife" do not pay taxes, nor do they vote, so why would they be priority with me? I mean there is something terribly wrong, when interests are supposedly heard at the discussion table, that can't speak, don't know what they want if at all, and are heard dishonestly, to the extent that we common citizens, taxpayers are ignored or even persecuted, by the evil globalists.
Yes, I say let us grow denser and denser, even if farms and gardens have to grow denser also.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist "The "remaining wildlife" do not pay taxes, nor do they vote, so why would they be priority with me?" Are you serious? What about forests, preserving water for us throughout dry seasons. If you cut them down, the water from heavy rainfalls will qickly waporize or flow back to the oceans, and all crops in the region will fail. Many dry and hot regions in the developed world depend on ground water reservoirs, but these are about to be depleted throught the world.
kreaturen 1 year ago
@kreaturen
I read in an "overpopulation" article, that we may be headed for a future "Baby Blast" if the half of people in the world, using contraception, isn't soon increased to 75%. When are people going to wisen up, and see how we are being played like a fiddle by the evil globalists? They invent some phony crisis, as an excuse to get us to give up our freedom, and allow ourselves to be manipulated by the evil rampant Big Pharma, eco-freak, power controller mongers, contraceptive pushers.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@kreaturen
If a natural "Baby Blast" is indeed coming, we would do best to EMBRACE it and not resist it at all. Celebrate the world's "burgeoning billions" and invite and urge them to come freely, unrestrained. As author Julian Simon claims, people are "The Ultimate Resource," to say the least. Do not believe the power control freaks who wish to massage or manipulate any supposed crisis into an excuse to rob us of our individual rights and Constitutionally-protected and God-given freedom.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist Also you forget that bacteria extend in all dimentions too, as long as there is enough food, stacking on-top of each other, piling up their filth beneith them as they do so. Even if you constantly replenish the same amount of nutrients at fixed intervals, like the Sun replenish Earth's bioenergy, they will still get overpopulated, just like we will if we exceed that yieldable energy input.
kreaturen 1 year ago
@kreaturen
Don't you know those mad-scientists are just itching to try out their GMO crops, regardless whether the human race is growing denser, and in need of more efficient crops or not. Have you not heard how many people hate Monsanto, and insist upon their God-given right to save seed? How do those mad scientists, think they can put patents upon LIFE, what God created?
I am so sick of those patronizing evil people, who pretend like the poor need their "help," meaning more gov, less freedom
pronatalist 1 year ago
@kreaturen
How many farmers are being abused, arrested, being put out of business, because they refuse to follow, or can't follow unjust rules, of endless gov subsidies, violating contracts to not save seed? Look into this cabal abuse of power, and how farmers are being put under some evil mafia of unjust rules and economic manipulation.
How many poor people are denied any land at all, such that why should they make any effort to build nice homes, when their property rights aren't respected?
pronatalist 1 year ago
@kreaturen
So why shouldn't multiplying human populations, also extend in all available dimensions? Seems to be what the people want, they like growing more and more abundant, and in developing countries still more pronatalist than us, people still are proud to have many children. They ought to be, for it's a great honor to be doing their part to help human life spread.
Again, bacteria is the wrong metaphor. It's a constructive natural process, like an advancing pregnancy needing to grow.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist BTW, at our present technological level, we are already overpopulated in terms of renewable resource consumption. If every person in the world where to enjoy the average western standard of living, which all indications suggest they would if they could, we'd need four Earths. That is because modern man needs more than just basic food and water. It's true that we have technologies, either ready or under conception, that can reduce our wastefulness, but with the current economical...
kreaturen 1 year ago
@kreaturen, system, there's no way we'll make it in time at this rate. The west is too slow to re-invent itself, and the functional part of the developing world, choose to make the exact same mistakes we did. No one knows who will pay the full price in the end, or how hard it will hit us, but I'm pretty sure we'll get to see dispear beyond our wildest imagination in the dysfunctional, overpopulated, corners of the world.
kreaturen 1 year ago
@kreaturen
Not only would we have a duty to somehow admit the colonists back, but to also allow people to keep growing their families freely without use of any "birth control."
No, the people and the economy does ADAPT quickly. But the real reason why we are doing so poorly employing people, is because we are OVERTAXED AND OVER-REGULATED. The evil politicians are so overloading the economy with their stupid meddling, as to make it seriously stunted
And keeping people poor keeps them breeding?
pronatalist 1 year ago
@kreaturen
The real problem in the West, is that we have had it so good for so long, we have forgotten to teach our children the basis and foundation for our freedom, and are letting the evil socialist marxists take over our governments. Which is putting us behind economically, under growing mountains of false Keynesian-economy debt.
I wouldn't be surprised anymore, if some of the developing countries pass us on by economically, become First World nations while we go back to being Third World.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist You speak of returning colonists... What if native americans where to have their land back? All decendants of the colonists had to go back to the old world. That would be roughly 1 billion people being relocated. It's no way that would go smoothly, and no economy could handle it. I guess if we had billions of brethren stranded in space, we'd have no choice but to try and shelter them, but I'm sure we'd have a hard time feeding them, and incorporate them smoothly into our economy.
kreaturen 1 year ago
@pronatalist And what if India's booming economy get stunted by climate change, which we're having whether it's man made or not, and they are unable to be self-supportive of their soon to be 2 billion people, half of which will be poor. What do we do in such a case, when 1 billion people face starvation simultaniously, and with no chance that the drought will pass? India is already one of the hottest fertile regions on Earth, and could easily turn into a desert with rizing temperatures.
kreaturen 1 year ago