Maybe it's just me but I find this plods along like a knackered old carthorse in comparison to von Karajan's performance with the BPO. He drives the orchestra like a madman and the effect is electrifying and thrilling, far more "con brio" than this effort. Klemperer was much better with the Eroica. Just my opinion, feel free to disagree if you wish.
è bello vedere come i tempi cambiano, questa società ci ha imposto dei modi di aggire diversi a quelli di una volta, qui ad esempio il tempo è quasi di estudio, ma negli anni 70 era giusto.. bella questa fotografia del tempo
It's so easy to make comments about the tempo of Klemperer but who knows wich tempo the composer had in mention. In my opinion Klemperer belongs sure amoung the best directors ever. I love this tempo.
It's so easy to make comments about the tempo of Klemperer but who knows wich tempo the composer had in mention. In my opinion Klemperer belongs sure amoung the directors ever. I love this tempo.
When I was in college all I had was the Klemperer recordings of the 9 Beethoven symphonies. With the slower tempos, I really got to know the inner dialogues. Then when I graduated to the Von Karajan recordings, I already knew what was there.
Klemperer has always been one of my very favorites, especially with Beethoven. And, yes,with the slower tempo the music does breath and you can hear the articulations of the various instrumental groups. That all said I think this is just a little too slow vis-a-vis Beethoven's intentions. Earlier versions by Maestro from the 50s-60s are are stronger.
@stevenkonasr Klemperer suffered from a terrible number of physical problems - among them a fall off the podium, manic depression, and a misdiagnosis that led to an unnecessary operation for a brain tumor. He was massively paralyzed by the time he conducted these performances. His stage demeanor is not a very good outward indication of his musical authority.
This is the sound which all the modern orchestras should make. Kleiber's conducting is handsome and beautiful, but I think the greatest art of conducting is even just seat there, and orchestra would make incredible sound. We can not expect 85 years old Mo.Klemperer can do the same thing like Kleiber, especially after many accidents and illness.
@heldenbariton I was a pen-pal with Dr Klemperer's daughter Lotte from 2001 until her death. I asked specifically for her insights regarding the slowing of K's performances late in his life. She agree'd, it was partly age (he just moved slower, THOUGHT slower,) but also he deliberately wanted to give the inner workings of things like this "old carthorse" a chance to breathe and be heard. *This was also the LAST time Dr Klemperer was able to conduct the Seventh Symphony.
@stevenkonasr If you "fall asleep" by watching him, that's your problem, not the conductors. It means you are just not able to understand what you see/hear, due to your young age maybe. You should be rather grateful for the possibility to learn from a great master, instead of advising him to stop.
Heard Solti with Vienna do this at no less than 10X speed, and I suspect Klemperer was closer to an original performance style. He did not veer from what was first conceptualized unlike many of his generation
I have no idea how Beethoven intended this movement to be played - but for my nickel, Klemperer holds the keys here! It's just so much better a bit slower....
Wonderful wonderful wonderful!! I was used to listen to very fast versions, but this tempo is something majestic and monumental.. Klemperer is a genius!
My God ! Such power. Such inner life ! Truly a lot of freedom at this tempo. Everything is articulated, giving the performance greater urgency than it would at a faster pace.. Thank you for posting.
Within a slow tempo, everything lives and beathes - what phrasing and balance. Incredible. The impression in the Hall was remarkable. I know- I was there!
I like this one, but i rather like the Karajan fastest version!
NikolaTesla234 1 month ago
Maybe it's just me but I find this plods along like a knackered old carthorse in comparison to von Karajan's performance with the BPO. He drives the orchestra like a madman and the effect is electrifying and thrilling, far more "con brio" than this effort. Klemperer was much better with the Eroica. Just my opinion, feel free to disagree if you wish.
toomuchrose 3 months ago
è bello vedere come i tempi cambiano, questa società ci ha imposto dei modi di aggire diversi a quelli di una volta, qui ad esempio il tempo è quasi di estudio, ma negli anni 70 era giusto.. bella questa fotografia del tempo
jhonwica 3 months ago
It's so easy to make comments about the tempo of Klemperer but who knows wich tempo the composer had in mention. In my opinion Klemperer belongs sure amoung the best directors ever. I love this tempo.
pmmdrt 5 months ago
It's so easy to make comments about the tempo of Klemperer but who knows wich tempo the composer had in mention. In my opinion Klemperer belongs sure amoung the directors ever. I love this tempo.
pmmdrt 5 months ago
Dónde esta el "brio"??? Donde esta el "allegro"?????
MrTanguerodeley 5 months ago
Painfully slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
TrevRockOne 6 months ago
When I was in college all I had was the Klemperer recordings of the 9 Beethoven symphonies. With the slower tempos, I really got to know the inner dialogues. Then when I graduated to the Von Karajan recordings, I already knew what was there.
TheGreenHornist 7 months ago
Klemperer has always been one of my very favorites, especially with Beethoven. And, yes,with the slower tempo the music does breath and you can hear the articulations of the various instrumental groups. That all said I think this is just a little too slow vis-a-vis Beethoven's intentions. Earlier versions by Maestro from the 50s-60s are are stronger.
HickysBoy 7 months ago
Sorry, but Beethoven wrote "Allegro con brio" and this is actually NON Allegro and WITHOUT any kind of "brio".
Matteo7419 8 months ago
@stevenkonasr Klemperer suffered from a terrible number of physical problems - among them a fall off the podium, manic depression, and a misdiagnosis that led to an unnecessary operation for a brain tumor. He was massively paralyzed by the time he conducted these performances. His stage demeanor is not a very good outward indication of his musical authority.
gvvt 8 months ago
This is absolutely a precise and also very emotional performance.
Becaus of the slow Tempo the orchestra has to be very precise
and they like it.....
pastorale100 9 months ago
This is the sound which all the modern orchestras should make. Kleiber's conducting is handsome and beautiful, but I think the greatest art of conducting is even just seat there, and orchestra would make incredible sound. We can not expect 85 years old Mo.Klemperer can do the same thing like Kleiber, especially after many accidents and illness.
He is a god.
heldenbariton 11 months ago 5
@heldenbariton I was a pen-pal with Dr Klemperer's daughter Lotte from 2001 until her death. I asked specifically for her insights regarding the slowing of K's performances late in his life. She agree'd, it was partly age (he just moved slower, THOUGHT slower,) but also he deliberately wanted to give the inner workings of things like this "old carthorse" a chance to breathe and be heard. *This was also the LAST time Dr Klemperer was able to conduct the Seventh Symphony.
UlfenDaddy 3 months ago
@stevenkonasr If you "fall asleep" by watching him, that's your problem, not the conductors. It means you are just not able to understand what you see/hear, due to your young age maybe. You should be rather grateful for the possibility to learn from a great master, instead of advising him to stop.
nikolaimedtner 11 months ago 2
This slow tempo goes like pitches of a titan. You can listen to rich flows of multiple sounds created by Klemperer's spirit!
x91119 1 year ago
Wonderful, Klemperer is a titan
mark6230 1 year ago
@stevenkonasr yes, but not everyone can stop at the right age. He was 85 in 1970...
Pricher1991 1 year ago
Heard Solti with Vienna do this at no less than 10X speed, and I suspect Klemperer was closer to an original performance style. He did not veer from what was first conceptualized unlike many of his generation
adolbe 1 year ago
The mystery of late Klemperer. Try to get your hands on his Mahler 7.
MrUggamugga 1 year ago
Excellent tempo-orchestral timbre very broad, very precise-horns right on as usual with this orchestra.
60ECg 1 year ago
Terrible interpretation...as always Klemperer plays Beethoven waaayyyyy too slow...zzz.zzz...
Olorin444 1 year ago
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Ah you are still young! :)
MrUggamugga 1 year ago
I have no idea how Beethoven intended this movement to be played - but for my nickel, Klemperer holds the keys here! It's just so much better a bit slower....
HickysBoy 1 year ago
Wonderful wonderful wonderful!! I was used to listen to very fast versions, but this tempo is something majestic and monumental.. Klemperer is a genius!
ilpianista89 1 year ago
My God ! Such power. Such inner life ! Truly a lot of freedom at this tempo. Everything is articulated, giving the performance greater urgency than it would at a faster pace.. Thank you for posting.
mrdarcyme 2 years ago 8
Within a slow tempo, everything lives and beathes - what phrasing and balance. Incredible. The impression in the Hall was remarkable. I know- I was there!
thebwlaclerk 2 years ago 3
I could get used to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lambecolin 2 years ago
@thebwlaclerk
Then I envy you !
CaptainBluebear08 1 year ago
le falta impetú, debe de ser màs rapido lastima de obra estos me dan flojera
cdera01 2 years ago