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i made a music video to one of my songs that shows an older version of reading the cards like solitaire incorperating the trick taking rule of the fool Bang your head god of funk
Rev. Lewis, I really enjoyed parts one through six [can't find anymore] & I certainly learned a lot of new info. The history was interesting and concise. Thank you for your posts.
@littlesteviev9x9 How do you know I was "assuming" that about you? And don't blame me if you can read hostility into typed sentences. There's very little space and limited characters available for expressing one's self here, and I think that if I want to make a point in a time-efficient manner, I have to be blunt. Otherwise it requires repeated postings just to answer the same person on the same point.
@GaleZMe ok. i never asked for any of that information and it isn't a response to anything i've presented. i really don't care what you think of wilson. have i written you paragraphs explaining what i feel or don't feel about him or anyone? no, it's really as simple and telling as that. to reiterate, i only chose to converse with you by way of noticing your use of RAW's phrase. never did i elicit your declaration of how you feel about him or anything.
@littlesteviev9x9 RELAX for heaven's sake. :) You're waaaaay too serious, you know. Forget about all this and go on your way - don't get your blood pressure up 35 points and spend days on it.
@GaleZMe relax says the dude in capital exclamation! man, all i've done is ask for a simple bit of reasoning from your retarded responses. if being serious means i enjoy rational conversation i guess i'm guilty as charged.
you have to be the dumbest "trying to sound smart" person i have ever had the misfortune of conversing with.
@littlesteviev9x9 This shows just how much and well you've been paying attention. I'm not a "Dude", dude. But never mind. You enjoy a "rational conversation", you say? Yup, okay. Whatever you say.
@GaleZMe nothing in our conversation eluded to or was based upon our genders. there was no need for me to pay attention to that fact. i was however paying attention to what mattered, the topic at hand., and clearly you have made every effort to ditch any sort of reasonable response. diversion in debate is evidence of insecurity and inferiority. trust me, it was better when i assumed you were a 40 year old dude... cause when you write things like "yup, okay" i reduce you to a 14 year old girl.
@GaleZMe also, if you feel it necessary to assert that the phrase is misleading and inaccurate; then simply don't use it to affirm your points.
you seem like a person who likes to hear their own voice and i guess you assume others do too. lastly, please don't say that space is limited and that you have a hard time expressing yourself when clearly you have no problem typing long responses on youtube. i can read your posts.
@GaleZMe ...and being blunt doesn't connotate contradiction or hostility, especially when spawning from a very ambiguous and unbiased initial comment. to deny your abrupt and perhaps rude response is childish.
perhaps you have a hard time answering people on the same points because you can't talk your way out of nonsense. i can now understand your problem with belief, being that you are full of such simple contradictions. peace out man.
@GaleZMe - No, please don't scrap tarot cards! Whatever your beliefs about the occult, tarot cards were invented in 15th century Italy for playing card games - games that continue to be played throughout much of continental Europe today. These games are very, very good so, by all means, scrap the occult but let's keep the cards.
Alright, listen: the cards can be considered a form of Artistic expression ongoing from the 15th Century through to today. I have no problem with that at all. What I attack is using the cards as an authority which can provide advice and guidance. Obviously, they don't "work".....its the BELIEF that they "work" which causes self-fulfilling readings. People BELIEVE ( what the Thinker part of consciousness Thinks, the Prover part of consciousness Will Prove ).
@littlesteviev9x9 I read Wilson - almost all his works - DECADES AGO. I don't need Robert to tell me how to look at things. By the way, I don't BELIEVE in, or follow, Wilson or his views.....or Hyatt's.......or Duquette's......or any of the other New Falcon crowd's views on anything.
@GaleZMe awesome. that was quite some response for my simple little remark. i only stated that because you borrowed the phrase " what the thinker thinks, the prover proves" from wilson. you asserted this phrase
with emphasis, so it seemed it was a reasoning you identified with.
anyway, if you read these books decades ago, which i don't doubt; that would put you in your mid thirties to just getting over the hill.........
@littlesteviev9x9 they fall for some idea that anything outside themselves is the source of power ( any external authority ) such as systems, techniques, ceremonies, philosophies, objects ( Talisman, Oracles, etc. ) and so on. Nevertheless, for any external entity to produce an effect in someone's reality ( predict an outcome, cause a manifestation ) the user / observer must BELIEVE in it and its capacity to do so.
@GaleZMe you may say you don't need "robert" to tell you how to think, but you did at some point because you read almost all his works. just give the dude his credit, he helped shape your mind. you didn't do it all alone. even if you read his work and didn't follow it, which is hard to argue when you use his statements; you must admit he helped you assert what you do believe by helping you identify with what you don't. even non-belief is belief.
@littlesteviev9x9 As for R.A.W, I can give him credit to a certain extent for at least wanting to step outside the box confining his generation of people - his age group. Which, when you think about it is quite something because most people of his age were really well-programmed, unoriginal zombies.
However, he did fall into those same pitfalls when it came to his own health, even though he experienced something that didn't fit his generation's paradigm when he was young and it worked.
@littlesteviev9x9 Wilson, in other words, seemed to go as far as he was able but he hit a limit and stuck there. However, his concepts today aren't all that great. They're surface-scratching stuff, I think.
What gets me is this Groupie syndrome. Hyatt, Wilson, Crowley, Leary, etc., all seem to have groupies who think that they are the be-all and end-all "last word" on everything ! That's the really amazing thing to me.
@ANIideas This is where people get screwed by Astrology, Numerology, Spell Casting, Tarot / I Ching / Mo / etc. readings, and all the rest of the malarky. It forms Priest Craft where promoters who insist these swindles have special "powers" manage to make themselves a nice living by leading fools along the garden path and actually taking decision making capacity away from the fools and interfering with their lives for fun and profit.
The cards themselves are just artistic expression.
i say playing cards were invented in China for sure and that they should be the experts, since china gave alot of it's culture to Japan and we all know how hyped-up on playing cards Japan is. Nintendo was originally a trading-card company.
just like the Tarot, Pokemon cards have often been persecuted, accused of being evil, and banned. this explains why i often dream i'm useing pokemon cards for tarot, i guess. but not why i'm better at reading pokmon in the dreams..
DoctorSess... where are you located/ In the US now, even Barnes and Noble carries tarot cards in their stores. While I would highly recommend getting a more traditional deck to begin with, know that you can learn patterns of tarot meanings and easily read and appreciate any deck you like the look of... it will follow the same archetypal pattern if it is indeed a true tarot deck with 78 cards.
I own and read Tarot cards. I also understand their history and the relationship to the Order of the Golden Dawn in the mid to late 18th century. I have no illusions as to a rich and ancient history. However, age does not diminish its value as either a philosophical or introspective tool. If we can gain insight or meaning from, say, reading a good book or learning a new idea, then studying the tarot should be no different.
interesting stuff this tarot business...my interest was peaked because I kept seeing different tarot cards popping up in movies...like the hanged man is subtly placed in a ton of movies. I need to get a deck. Can I find them anywhere? Maybe a bookstore? And which Decks are recommended?
I have a Minotarot deck its never been opened still brand new deck in cello. I might consider selling it if the price is right. Or I will just lock it away for another 20+ years. .Designed and self-published by Eric Provoost, the deck was issued in France in 1982 in a limited edition of 2,000 copies. The artwork is black and white, with additional touches of brown in the Majors. The back of the deck is terra cotta with an image of a white 7-circuit labyrinth. The deck is signed and numbered
if it works, it works. Let it be. I can understand discussing the history, but this relevance nonsense is completely foolsih. Tarot cards word, it is as simple as that. If they do not work for you, it is you that is not functioning, not the cards. Silly humans and your egos!
If you can deomonstrate their working, then I believe that Mr Randi has a million dollars for you.
The problem is that this working has never been demonstrated - by that I mean under controlled scientific conditions. That failure, along with the logical problems and conflicts with the science we have, is plenty to justify scepticism. That NOTHING to do with ego, just objective rationality.
I suggest researching metaphysics and the deviation of natural science and philosophy. With that being said, qauntum physics has produced solid scientific conditions which baffling enough, have produced results that better fit with tarot. Example, positron collides with electron destroying one another, producing two photons. One spins, one does not...until observed. After observed, and after producing a spin, the twin photon no matter how far away will automatically switch directions. Funny huh?
Sure, with regards to metaphysics and science, I have degree in philosophy and never gave it up.
With regards to quantum physics, there are some strange things (though we should properly understand what we mean by 'observer' in these systems), but we still lack evidence for divination to even try and use it for an explanation.
i think u rele are wrong in what you're saying although obv has their own opinion, why nt say - ur a sceptic, instead of the almighty statement - this doesnt work, just because ur spiritually an infant doesnt mean the rest of us are aswell.
I don't hide or deny that I am a sceptic - but why should I state that "instead" of saying that I don't believe it works.
I don't believe divination works for the same reasons that I don't believe Cold Fusion works. Repeated scientific experiment has failed to demonstrate it and the idea is inconsistent with our current understanding. It would therefore be unreasonable to believe otherwise.
There's nothing infantile or spiritually bereft about that.
I always had trouble understanding them but I understand the runes best I think there is norse people in the genes there are some red hair amongst us with blond in early years then it all turns dark later
One interesting thing about the tarot's history is that the cards all of them correspond to the golden dawn tree of life. Every single card is mentioned on that chart. Probably one of its truest origins.
There is no evidence that tarot cards had any such relation to the Tree of Life in their design. They are mentioned in the Golden Dawn's chard because the Golden Dawn put them there - they interpreted and modified things such as tarot and Kabbalism to fit their invented system of magic.
The true use of the tarot has been lost and recover that is why!! People who did not know the meaning of the Arcana split the pack in 2, the Majors and the minors Arcana, they trow the Majors and keep the Minors to play game... The Tarot KEYs are everything, the complete initiation, the complete science, a synthesis of the whole occult science, to who know how to make them talk...
There is no evidence of the tarot pack having been split in two in the way described, nor any evidence of the trumps prior to the mid 15th century...long after playing cards had arrived in Europe. (and before the arrival of Gypsies in Europe, so they didn't introduce them)
If people want to use the cards to represent their occult ideas now, they can. But when they start to invent or misrepresent history, then they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
These videos only contribute to the fear and apprehension over Tarot cards. Properly understood, the Tarot is a gaming system, a variant of standard playing cards.
People played and still play games with these cards long before their use in fortune telling. People also practiced cartomancy with standard playing cards prior to reading the Tarot.
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Oudler you're in every Tarot reading video bashing the divination aspects of the Tarot. Yes they were used to play games, I don't think a single person you've spoken to has denied that. Yet you come on here and act like it's a giant well-kept secret being used to trick the masses into believing. That simply is not true. There is no right or wrong way to use Tarot cards and the divination aspect goes back an equally long time. So in short I'd advise you to get over yourself.
The only real problem with divinatory Tarot is that most people wrongly assume that that one part of Tarot is the whole of it. That view of Tarot has become dominant to the point where it is unhealthful because it skews the perceptions we have of the playing cards and pastimes of other cultures. I don't wish for divination to go away but there should be more balance in how Tarot cards are presented.
As Oudler says, few of us are bashing divination (at least not here). The problem is with the misrepresentation of history.
I would also say that most people are unaware of tarot's origin as a game. And while you say 'they were used to play games', I would point out that they ARE STILL so used throughout most of Europe. It's just us English speakers who haven't figured that out yet.
ps. divination is about 200 years old - the games are 350. They don't go back an equally long time at all.
Hello - We need to understand Tarot as a game, and Tarot as divination better... and also a third item: the language and meaning of art and symbols. Linguists recognize that all symbols (ie numbers, letters, etc.) carry with them "sense," "reference," and "force." There were pictures (symbols) on the cards from the beginning, and... "a picture is worth 1,000 words." It is a mistake to overlook this in the debate about game versus divination in Tarot.
I'm not sure that there is any more debate about game versus divination in tarot than there is in beverage versus divination in tea leaves. Where there does seem to be debate is over the cards' history and origins.
Symbols have meaning according to how they are used: there is no magic link between the word 'pencil' and the object we use it to refer to.
On the evidence, occultists use tarot images to refer to things very different to those of its origins. The Female Pope is a good example.
Divination is 200 years old? ooohhhh kay.. egyptian, sumerian and phoentian mystics were just a detailed drawing then? hows the weather up there on ur high horse,dumb ass!
I hate to point out the obvious but, as the discussion is about divination with tarot rather than divination in general, I was saying that divination with tarot is only about 200 years old.
Of course, if you can cite an older source, please do.
The weather's just fine down here on the ground. Perhaps you should pay more attention before letting go with the insults.
@dukeofzhou Great post! As you indicate divination is much older than 200 years. Actually far older than 2000 years! In the book of Genesis Joseph is said to have practiced a few different forms of divination. He interpreted dreams and also practiced a form of hydromancy. And as many children will remember from their Sunday school lessons Joseph was and still is honored by the Jewish people as a great patriarch; a patriarch who was skilled in at least 2 forms of divination!
@DailyTarotReader Pay no heed to those who speak on the tarot with no knowledge of the rota.
How could they know the tarot, if all they know is the surface? Scraping together what little meaning they can find and then by clinging adamantly to their ignorance, they remain there, telling all of what little they know. How many heads does the hydra need?
The problem with Tarot for divination is the fact, that it is accepted as a divination tool because its so-told ancient origins and connections with people who built the yramids or wrote the Bible.
But these connections are a simple lie. If the truth was well-known, that Tarot was created as a card game 500 years ago, it might not be a well running bussines for the occultist industry.
And there are many people who like the truth, and like the Tarot with its 500 years old history and complexity.
Tarot was not just originally a card game - it still is. The games are played throughout much of continental Europe. Most countries now use a French suited tarot pack with a variety of novel trump designs - but the traditional suits and trumps are still used in games play in Italy, Sicily, Switzerland, and of course, by those who just prefer them.
tarot taps into the subconcious motor mind...its a window into the unknown...unknown because we cant conciously tap into our subconcious, or others subconcious, but with tarot, we can do this...and the results are amazing
ever since i was really amazed about the tarot and the meaning of it. how I wish I can also study about this mystical card and please tell me where to purchase
I just don't get why you're so obsessed with what people do with their personal belongings. I have read Tarot for years and have never "brainwashed" anyone thanks. Most people KNOW you can also use the cards as a game if you want to. There are instructions in a lot of decks by US GAMES as to how to use them as a game also. People DO think for themselves, and if they want to use the cards for divination and they spend the money on the cards, they can do what they want with them.
i really enjoyed this video for i love all history. you seem to be knowledgeable on the history of tarot. the only time i winced was when you threw in the crack about christians using the romany and the jews as scapegoats. which religion, nation, or culture HASN'T had its scapegoat? native american tribes warred at each other for slaves. jews and muslims r always hurting each other. commies killed millions of christians, jews, gypsies. how many people got their first tarot deck for xmas?
You are without knowledge of tarot's history. Tarot was originally made for card games. Tarot is also the name of a popular card game in France. People in europe play real card games with tarot. I have played them on the interenet.
Yeah, do what you want with the cards but stop bullshitting about other peoples culture. People should know that those cards were made for a game and people still play tarot games today! Tarot is for card games, people!
How are the Jews Christianity's scapegoats? Christianity was founded by a Jew (Jesus). In fact, the idea of "scapegoat" comes from a Jewish tradition!
The Jews were the Christians' scapegoats for centuries, primarily because a)Jews in Europe were seen as outsiders and foreigners, therefore not trusted, and b) Christians viewed Jews as the murderers of Christ. Since Christians had religious laws against usury, Jews also acted as banks, and people resented owing them money. Jews were usually placed into ghettos, blamed for unfortunate natural events, and were subject to persecution and execution.
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What is presented in "The Secret In The Bible" by Tony Bushby is not only PHYSICALLY REPRODUCEABLE and thus UNDENIABLE, but known historical fact. The symbols are not only derived from Egypt, but also from Khepra, or the benben, taro is rota reversed, the 't' later added as a 'blind'. Rotation or rotate is what the rainbow serpent of light did, casting 22 shadows or glyphs which are the basis of the 22 arcana, veiled later in the cards, and depicted on Egyptian temple walls/halls of initiation.
True, Tarot has its origin in gaming, that is a matter of historical record. However, because the card's origins are involved in a game does not box them into that catagory for all time. Just because someone made an object for a particular purpose does not mean that the object must be only used for its original intent. Please feel free to use the cards as a game, that's actually very cool. Just please don't try to dictate that this is their only use.
The problem is that the tarot outside of Europe has been boxed into divination. Tarot card readers do not always tell the whole story about tarot. If the tarot readers and new age publishers informed the public about its gaming use, there would be no issue. The new age has given the American public a skewed view of the cards.
Who cares? Use the cards for what you want, and stop pushing what you think on other people. If people find comfort in the cards in their own personal way, then what's it to you tarot4games?
even though i already knew much of the information you put out, it was good and should prolly be watched by someone who has no knowledge or little of tarot.
"A History of Games Played With the Tarot Pack" by Michael Dummett and John McLeod is essential reading. You can get vol.1 at thepiratebay dot org "/tor/3913821". Or just go to thepiratebay dot org and search for it under Ebooks. It's an expensive book so I scanned it for you poor kids! You should convince your local libraries to buy it though!! ISBN10: 0-7734-6447-6 ISBN13: 978-0-7734-6447-6 <-give those #'s to the librarian!
I have both of these volumes and they are an excellent source of Tarot information. The mainstream press is usually very one-sided about Tarot. Many people have the false notion that Tarot is only for divination. More people should know that not only were Tarot cards made for games but that people today are still playing card games with Tarot.
mind you im not saying that thats even their origin, just that there is ample evidence to show that it was something before it was a fortune telling game or game of chance or anything like that.
i have evidence... my intention! further, a "game" is just a concept and idea anyway, and tarot taps into universal archetypes, thereby transcending the laws of an even greater "game." the game that humans would play to keep the light of god out of their hearts!
Wow, retard? fucking moron? I can understand you being sore to find someone threating your occultist fantasies concerning the Tarot... but that's no way to pose an argument Vert! Saying I'm WRONG is an awfully bold claim. Those of us trying to show the true history of Tarot have a good deal of documented facts on our side. Whereas, you have documented fantasies and suggestions from people who have been shown to make distorted and wrong claims in the past.
Do some research, and by research I mean challenge your own ideas don't just read from sources that agree with you... insulting and casting aside the rest!
Many of the symbols on the Rider-Waite cards that we know today were added long after the creation of Tarot cards. Before that the images on Tarot cards were often shifting incorporating a variety of fanciful designs. The Rider-Waite brand of Tarot images is a modern concoction less than 100 years old even! Sure it draws on Egyptian symbols... but that doesn't mean that Tarot cards ever came from ancient Egypt!
If I redesigned the standard deck of playing cards we know today into a deck of fortune telling cards with symbols from ancient Norway... 100 years later will there be yahoos claiming the mystical heritage of playing cards from ancient Norway? History was a lot easier to manufacture and brandish about back in the days of EA Waite and Crowley.
Today it's a bit easier for the real facts of history to be scrutinized and cross referenced. The mystical claims to the history of Tarot simply hold no water!
asshole, if u think only the symbols printed on cardboard = tarot u totaly miss just about everything of value to it, and to u it never will be more then a game.
Wow getting snippy there Vert? To me it was ONCE something more than a game. I used to read fortunes with it until I realized the self deception and cold-reading that drive the use of Tarot. The cards (in their original form) are very valuable as playing cards, they don't NEED to have hoodo-voodo spiritual powers to be worthwhile.
What I'm trying to show you is that mystical symbolism based off Egyptian images or the Kabalah can be employed to illustrate cards and make them seem more spiritual... but that doesn't mean that Crowley and Waite's origin stories for the cards hold any historical truth. If they are true... where are the 15th century cards with these symbols? Scrutinize history and you find all that is added later. It was part of Tarot's RECENT history not ANCIENT history!
His history, if you listened, he puts forth in terms of theories, not saying it is absolute fact. Yes, some believe tarot was a game, but that is not important. What IS important is that it works as a system of divination. Stupid yahoos that are just looking for something in every video to whine about need to get a life, seriously.
All recorded history we can follow back shows Tarot cards as something that came about in the 15th century as a card-playing game. The false histories and theories concerning cards as divination tools didn't arise until later on. Much of the "Egyptian" imagery upon the cards was added with the Rider-Waite deck in 1909. Like the sphinxes on the chariot. It wasn't part of the original designs.
new age tarot is cultural theft! Not only is it true that tarot cards were created for games, people still play card games with tarot cards. Game playing is the more intelligent use for tarot cards
Tarot cards are playing cards. Tarot cards do not come from Egypt and there were not created for fortune telling. There is no evidence at all they were intended to mean anything. Despite popular misconceptions, tarot is not some mysterious oracle but a type of card game.
Nice point but we all agreed on that yonks ago. We know where they came from, we know they were invented for card games and we know people get really annoyed arguing about it. Im open to all possibilities at the moment and I am enjoying working these cards.
Aleister Crowleys Thoth Tarot deck made the idea of connecting the 10 sephira of the Kabalah to Tarot popular though the idea was previously also done in the Golden Dawn. Read Crowleys work if you want to learn something about this subject for real as he was infinately more intelligent than all the posters here.
I am not mistaken at all. I have read many of his books including the latest highly regarded biography Perdurabo. To say he was an anti semite is not true, to say he was a misogynist is also incorrect. None of this has anything to do with his reworking of the tarot.
Tarot has no historical connections with astrology or Kabbalah. The Tarot deck was created for playing a trick taking card game. Descendents of the original tarot card game are still played in France, Italy, Switzerland, and Austria. Tarot is really for card games, people!
This is a forum? So that is part of the point. Some points of view a based on fact. I worry that people actually believe a set of cards can tell someone anything at all about another person. And people believe it. This is about "cold reading", it is fraud. Paying for such services fraud. It may be fun, but it is dishonest.
If you are going discredit a process, then at least understand what the process is. The use of tarot can invite in the use of "cold reading" as you put it. However, that is the fault of the user for obstructing the meaning of the cards for his own ends. It is recommended by legitimate users of these cards that you alway do your own reading. You can discredit their use to that end if you want. But don't be surprised if you are called a bigot in response.
I get called a bigot when I criticize this stuff all the time. It is an indication that I am close to the truth when people use personal abuse to end the argument. Doing your own reading is going to give you biased results. This stuff needs single and double blind testing rigor to cut out the bias/cold reading aspects. Do that and I'll bet the cards say nothing about a person.
Do your own reading? You are kidding of course! How on earth can that give a true result? Personal bias is so strong you'll believe anything the cards say. Plus it is BS anyway.
You miss the point - Tarot/I-Ching/Etc. are not meant to be a pair of binoculars for the metaphorical horizon. It is a tool for spiritual growth. The problem with fanatical debunkers like yourself is that you fail to understand that not everyone uses these items to shill a dollar of some unsuspecting chump. A lot do use them as part of their religion, spirituality, etc. That is what makes you a bigot. YOU feel as though any use of them illegitimate and so should EVERYONE else.
It is a tool for spiritual growth in the same context that a crucifix, Star of David, or Yin-Yang symbol is. The media that is printed on or otherwise created with does not diminish it's importance to or impact on it's adherents. To say the images are random paints even clearer picture of your ignorance and ignores the obvious spiritual symbols through out them. I suggest you research these supposed "random" images rather than the classifieds for 1-900 tarot readers to debunk.
The deck is shuffled and they are dealt out. That is not random? If they are not random then that is paranormal. Yet other Tarot readers tell me it is not a paranormal practice. Can you clarify that please?
Randomness does play a factor in the usage of the cards, not the imagery. The belief is that when you shuffle the deck, mind intuits which card to pick, thus revealing your subconscious. That, in itself, is a metaphysical/paranormal practice as you are dealing with parapsychological topics like intution, esp, etc.
Anyone who tells you different is full of shit or ignorant.
Perhaps if you had the ability to parse a coherent statement then you would of read my answer.
The belief is that when you shuffle the deck, mind intuits which card to pick, thus revealing your subconscious. That, in itself, is a metaphysical/paranormal practice as you are dealing with parapsychological topics like intution, esp, etc.
Yes, there is a paranormal practice. No more different than communion and transfiguration except with a different set of archetypes and symbols.
Does it make you feel good being sarcastic as well as rude? I wouldn't have to ask the question twice if it was written in plain English instead of new age prattle. By the way it is "would have read my answer" not "would of". Then you'd know that wouldn't you smarty pants
So Tarot readings involve the paranormal. Interestingly that contradicts what some others on YouTube are saying, and it contradicts all scientific principles.
New Age prattle? Now who is being arrogant? Yes, concepts used in English literature and Psychology are such prattle. Pardon my misspelling. I wasn't aware a common slip on the keyboard was going to brand me an idiot.
You are free to believe what you want to believe, as is everyone else. However, I suggest you learn a bit of tolerance for those who do not share your ideas and opinions. Just because it does not conform to your rigid world view does not mean it is inherently false.
You started it with reference to my ability to parse a statement. Don't assume because I disagree with your line of thought that I'm an idiot. Just put your ideas in plain English and type a bit slower. (a joke! don't get offended!). Just tell me how the stuff is paranormal.
ZoeMarks: Spiritual growth? It works with your interpretation of images. Maybe you identify a King, want to be like him, or he reminds you someone. You learn to listen to yourself, I guess. It's the same with dreams. Say you dream of killing your neighbour and are happy in the dream you know then you should probably leave the unpleasant situation with your neighbour. YOU are the best interpreter.
I've viewed the first SIX programs (tarot 101). I find these accessible, focussed, and welcoming. I'm rewatching to solidify my understanding of the tarot structure. I look forward to the 7th presentation (covering 'spreads'). I thank you for these gifts!
Very well done. Good quality. I already have some working knowledge and a great deal of interest in the Tarot...will watch the rest of your productions.
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RadioRevistaCabala 2 months ago
what games do they still play with the tarot?
zofoblues 7 months ago
@zofoblu French Tarot, Swiss Troccas and Troggu. Austrian Tarock, Danish Tarok, Bolognese Tarocchino.
Oudler 1 month ago
i made a music video to one of my songs that shows an older version of reading the cards like solitaire incorperating the trick taking rule of the fool Bang your head god of funk
ImcallingJapan 8 months ago
Rev. Lewis, I really enjoyed parts one through six [can't find anymore] & I certainly learned a lot of new info. The history was interesting and concise. Thank you for your posts.
b/b )O(
avallonmist 1 year ago
Why is a pilgrim telling me about this?
Octiferrous 1 year ago
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Gangly1 1 year ago
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Please explain to me how it could be, that if I have a first reading and then a second reading 10 minutes later, the results are entirely different?
Errmm...I suspect that you can't!
Or is that where the first lie ends and the new lie begins?
Get a life.
Gangly1 1 year ago
college.....tarot....in college???
tara8686 1 year ago 2
@tara8686 This Tarot 'College Course' is boring and mentirous.. False information and pure especulation
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago 2
Esto es aburrido y mentiroso...
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago
@littlesteviev9x9 How do you know I was "assuming" that about you? And don't blame me if you can read hostility into typed sentences. There's very little space and limited characters available for expressing one's self here, and I think that if I want to make a point in a time-efficient manner, I have to be blunt. Otherwise it requires repeated postings just to answer the same person on the same point.
GaleZMe 1 year ago
@GaleZMe ok. i never asked for any of that information and it isn't a response to anything i've presented. i really don't care what you think of wilson. have i written you paragraphs explaining what i feel or don't feel about him or anyone? no, it's really as simple and telling as that. to reiterate, i only chose to converse with you by way of noticing your use of RAW's phrase. never did i elicit your declaration of how you feel about him or anything.
littlesteviev9x9 1 year ago
@littlesteviev9x9 RELAX for heaven's sake. :) You're waaaaay too serious, you know. Forget about all this and go on your way - don't get your blood pressure up 35 points and spend days on it.
GaleZMe 1 year ago
@GaleZMe relax says the dude in capital exclamation! man, all i've done is ask for a simple bit of reasoning from your retarded responses. if being serious means i enjoy rational conversation i guess i'm guilty as charged.
you have to be the dumbest "trying to sound smart" person i have ever had the misfortune of conversing with.
littlesteviev9x9 1 year ago
@littlesteviev9x9 This shows just how much and well you've been paying attention. I'm not a "Dude", dude. But never mind. You enjoy a "rational conversation", you say? Yup, okay. Whatever you say.
GaleZMe 1 year ago
@GaleZMe nothing in our conversation eluded to or was based upon our genders. there was no need for me to pay attention to that fact. i was however paying attention to what mattered, the topic at hand., and clearly you have made every effort to ditch any sort of reasonable response. diversion in debate is evidence of insecurity and inferiority. trust me, it was better when i assumed you were a 40 year old dude... cause when you write things like "yup, okay" i reduce you to a 14 year old girl.
littlesteviev9x9 1 year ago
@GaleZMe also, if you feel it necessary to assert that the phrase is misleading and inaccurate; then simply don't use it to affirm your points.
you seem like a person who likes to hear their own voice and i guess you assume others do too. lastly, please don't say that space is limited and that you have a hard time expressing yourself when clearly you have no problem typing long responses on youtube. i can read your posts.
littlesteviev9x9 1 year ago
@GaleZMe ...and being blunt doesn't connotate contradiction or hostility, especially when spawning from a very ambiguous and unbiased initial comment. to deny your abrupt and perhaps rude response is childish.
perhaps you have a hard time answering people on the same points because you can't talk your way out of nonsense. i can now understand your problem with belief, being that you are full of such simple contradictions. peace out man.
littlesteviev9x9 1 year ago
I bought a book on Tarot because I am certain it would be an incredible aid in writing literature and poetry.
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
@GaleZMe - No, please don't scrap tarot cards! Whatever your beliefs about the occult, tarot cards were invented in 15th century Italy for playing card games - games that continue to be played throughout much of continental Europe today. These games are very, very good so, by all means, scrap the occult but let's keep the cards.
ANIideas 1 year ago
Alright, listen: the cards can be considered a form of Artistic expression ongoing from the 15th Century through to today. I have no problem with that at all. What I attack is using the cards as an authority which can provide advice and guidance. Obviously, they don't "work".....its the BELIEF that they "work" which causes self-fulfilling readings. People BELIEVE ( what the Thinker part of consciousness Thinks, the Prover part of consciousness Will Prove ).
GaleZMe 1 year ago
@GaleZMe someone read prometheus rising
littlesteviev9x9 1 year ago
@littlesteviev9x9 I read Wilson - almost all his works - DECADES AGO. I don't need Robert to tell me how to look at things. By the way, I don't BELIEVE in, or follow, Wilson or his views.....or Hyatt's.......or Duquette's......or any of the other New Falcon crowd's views on anything.
GaleZMe 1 year ago
@GaleZMe awesome. that was quite some response for my simple little remark. i only stated that because you borrowed the phrase " what the thinker thinks, the prover proves" from wilson. you asserted this phrase
with emphasis, so it seemed it was a reasoning you identified with.
anyway, if you read these books decades ago, which i don't doubt; that would put you in your mid thirties to just getting over the hill.........
littlesteviev9x9 1 year ago
@littlesteviev9x9 they fall for some idea that anything outside themselves is the source of power ( any external authority ) such as systems, techniques, ceremonies, philosophies, objects ( Talisman, Oracles, etc. ) and so on. Nevertheless, for any external entity to produce an effect in someone's reality ( predict an outcome, cause a manifestation ) the user / observer must BELIEVE in it and its capacity to do so.
GaleZMe 1 year ago
@GaleZMe you may say you don't need "robert" to tell you how to think, but you did at some point because you read almost all his works. just give the dude his credit, he helped shape your mind. you didn't do it all alone. even if you read his work and didn't follow it, which is hard to argue when you use his statements; you must admit he helped you assert what you do believe by helping you identify with what you don't. even non-belief is belief.
littlesteviev9x9 1 year ago
@littlesteviev9x9 As for R.A.W, I can give him credit to a certain extent for at least wanting to step outside the box confining his generation of people - his age group. Which, when you think about it is quite something because most people of his age were really well-programmed, unoriginal zombies.
However, he did fall into those same pitfalls when it came to his own health, even though he experienced something that didn't fit his generation's paradigm when he was young and it worked.
GaleZMe 1 year ago
@littlesteviev9x9 Wilson, in other words, seemed to go as far as he was able but he hit a limit and stuck there. However, his concepts today aren't all that great. They're surface-scratching stuff, I think.
What gets me is this Groupie syndrome. Hyatt, Wilson, Crowley, Leary, etc., all seem to have groupies who think that they are the be-all and end-all "last word" on everything ! That's the really amazing thing to me.
GaleZMe 1 year ago
@ANIideas This is where people get screwed by Astrology, Numerology, Spell Casting, Tarot / I Ching / Mo / etc. readings, and all the rest of the malarky. It forms Priest Craft where promoters who insist these swindles have special "powers" manage to make themselves a nice living by leading fools along the garden path and actually taking decision making capacity away from the fools and interfering with their lives for fun and profit.
The cards themselves are just artistic expression.
GaleZMe 1 year ago
Romani are AWESOME.
i say playing cards were invented in China for sure and that they should be the experts, since china gave alot of it's culture to Japan and we all know how hyped-up on playing cards Japan is. Nintendo was originally a trading-card company.
just like the Tarot, Pokemon cards have often been persecuted, accused of being evil, and banned. this explains why i often dream i'm useing pokemon cards for tarot, i guess. but not why i'm better at reading pokmon in the dreams..
snager80 1 year ago
DoctorSess... where are you located/ In the US now, even Barnes and Noble carries tarot cards in their stores. While I would highly recommend getting a more traditional deck to begin with, know that you can learn patterns of tarot meanings and easily read and appreciate any deck you like the look of... it will follow the same archetypal pattern if it is indeed a true tarot deck with 78 cards.
virtualtarotschool 1 year ago
I own and read Tarot cards. I also understand their history and the relationship to the Order of the Golden Dawn in the mid to late 18th century. I have no illusions as to a rich and ancient history. However, age does not diminish its value as either a philosophical or introspective tool. If we can gain insight or meaning from, say, reading a good book or learning a new idea, then studying the tarot should be no different.
GeoVII 1 year ago
interesting stuff this tarot business...my interest was peaked because I kept seeing different tarot cards popping up in movies...like the hanged man is subtly placed in a ton of movies. I need to get a deck. Can I find them anywhere? Maybe a bookstore? And which Decks are recommended?
DoctorSess 1 year ago
I have a Minotarot deck its never been opened still brand new deck in cello. I might consider selling it if the price is right. Or I will just lock it away for another 20+ years. .Designed and self-published by Eric Provoost, the deck was issued in France in 1982 in a limited edition of 2,000 copies. The artwork is black and white, with additional touches of brown in the Majors. The back of the deck is terra cotta with an image of a white 7-circuit labyrinth. The deck is signed and numbered
Nesnatae 1 year ago
Here is some food for thought-
if it works, it works. Let it be. I can understand discussing the history, but this relevance nonsense is completely foolsih. Tarot cards word, it is as simple as that. If they do not work for you, it is you that is not functioning, not the cards. Silly humans and your egos!
EyesofNeurosis 2 years ago
If you can deomonstrate their working, then I believe that Mr Randi has a million dollars for you.
The problem is that this working has never been demonstrated - by that I mean under controlled scientific conditions. That failure, along with the logical problems and conflicts with the science we have, is plenty to justify scepticism. That NOTHING to do with ego, just objective rationality.
ANIideas 2 years ago 4
I suggest researching metaphysics and the deviation of natural science and philosophy. With that being said, qauntum physics has produced solid scientific conditions which baffling enough, have produced results that better fit with tarot. Example, positron collides with electron destroying one another, producing two photons. One spins, one does not...until observed. After observed, and after producing a spin, the twin photon no matter how far away will automatically switch directions. Funny huh?
dzolcali 2 years ago
Sure, with regards to metaphysics and science, I have degree in philosophy and never gave it up.
With regards to quantum physics, there are some strange things (though we should properly understand what we mean by 'observer' in these systems), but we still lack evidence for divination to even try and use it for an explanation.
ANIideas 2 years ago
i think u rele are wrong in what you're saying although obv has their own opinion, why nt say - ur a sceptic, instead of the almighty statement - this doesnt work, just because ur spiritually an infant doesnt mean the rest of us are aswell.
MrMichaelj1982 1 year ago
I don't hide or deny that I am a sceptic - but why should I state that "instead" of saying that I don't believe it works.
I don't believe divination works for the same reasons that I don't believe Cold Fusion works. Repeated scientific experiment has failed to demonstrate it and the idea is inconsistent with our current understanding. It would therefore be unreasonable to believe otherwise.
There's nothing infantile or spiritually bereft about that.
ANIideas 1 year ago
Tarot cards are about as relevant as taking the game Trouble and turning the "Pop o' matic" dice bubble into a crystal ball!
Genesimmons8 2 years ago 5
I always had trouble understanding them but I understand the runes best I think there is norse people in the genes there are some red hair amongst us with blond in early years then it all turns dark later
Crystalwolf78 2 years ago
pls put caption there i want to understand ur vlog.
deafannie 2 years ago
One interesting thing about the tarot's history is that the cards all of them correspond to the golden dawn tree of life. Every single card is mentioned on that chart. Probably one of its truest origins.
breemystic 2 years ago
There is no evidence that tarot cards had any such relation to the Tree of Life in their design. They are mentioned in the Golden Dawn's chard because the Golden Dawn put them there - they interpreted and modified things such as tarot and Kabbalism to fit their invented system of magic.
ANIideas 2 years ago 4
The true use of the tarot has been lost and recover that is why!! People who did not know the meaning of the Arcana split the pack in 2, the Majors and the minors Arcana, they trow the Majors and keep the Minors to play game... The Tarot KEYs are everything, the complete initiation, the complete science, a synthesis of the whole occult science, to who know how to make them talk...
FWASP 2 years ago
There is no evidence of the tarot pack having been split in two in the way described, nor any evidence of the trumps prior to the mid 15th century...long after playing cards had arrived in Europe. (and before the arrival of Gypsies in Europe, so they didn't introduce them)
If people want to use the cards to represent their occult ideas now, they can. But when they start to invent or misrepresent history, then they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
ANIideas 2 years ago 3
These videos only contribute to the fear and apprehension over Tarot cards. Properly understood, the Tarot is a gaming system, a variant of standard playing cards.
People played and still play games with these cards long before their use in fortune telling. People also practiced cartomancy with standard playing cards prior to reading the Tarot.
Oudler 2 years ago 5
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Oudler you're in every Tarot reading video bashing the divination aspects of the Tarot. Yes they were used to play games, I don't think a single person you've spoken to has denied that. Yet you come on here and act like it's a giant well-kept secret being used to trick the masses into believing. That simply is not true. There is no right or wrong way to use Tarot cards and the divination aspect goes back an equally long time. So in short I'd advise you to get over yourself.
xPythox 2 years ago
The only real problem with divinatory Tarot is that most people wrongly assume that that one part of Tarot is the whole of it. That view of Tarot has become dominant to the point where it is unhealthful because it skews the perceptions we have of the playing cards and pastimes of other cultures. I don't wish for divination to go away but there should be more balance in how Tarot cards are presented.
Oudler 2 years ago 7
As Oudler says, few of us are bashing divination (at least not here). The problem is with the misrepresentation of history.
I would also say that most people are unaware of tarot's origin as a game. And while you say 'they were used to play games', I would point out that they ARE STILL so used throughout most of Europe. It's just us English speakers who haven't figured that out yet.
ps. divination is about 200 years old - the games are 350. They don't go back an equally long time at all.
ANIideas 2 years ago 22
Hello - We need to understand Tarot as a game, and Tarot as divination better... and also a third item: the language and meaning of art and symbols. Linguists recognize that all symbols (ie numbers, letters, etc.) carry with them "sense," "reference," and "force." There were pictures (symbols) on the cards from the beginning, and... "a picture is worth 1,000 words." It is a mistake to overlook this in the debate about game versus divination in Tarot.
seeker4light 2 years ago
I'm not sure that there is any more debate about game versus divination in tarot than there is in beverage versus divination in tea leaves. Where there does seem to be debate is over the cards' history and origins.
Symbols have meaning according to how they are used: there is no magic link between the word 'pencil' and the object we use it to refer to.
On the evidence, occultists use tarot images to refer to things very different to those of its origins. The Female Pope is a good example.
ANIideas 2 years ago
Divination is 200 years old? ooohhhh kay.. egyptian, sumerian and phoentian mystics were just a detailed drawing then? hows the weather up there on ur high horse,dumb ass!
MrMichaelj1982 1 year ago
I hate to point out the obvious but, as the discussion is about divination with tarot rather than divination in general, I was saying that divination with tarot is only about 200 years old.
Of course, if you can cite an older source, please do.
The weather's just fine down here on the ground. Perhaps you should pay more attention before letting go with the insults.
ANIideas 1 year ago 4
@ANIideas Divination is 200 years old?
Listen to how 'matter' of fact the in-formation in this video is presented. Is each paid according to the work he has done?
Harmony or discord, a simple choice, comfort or discomfort, thought to a fool only the familiar is home.
Alas all those poor souls who ventured out into the dark and cold, pity them, they found themselves alone.
dukeofzhou 1 year ago 2
@dukeofzhou Great post! As you indicate divination is much older than 200 years. Actually far older than 2000 years! In the book of Genesis Joseph is said to have practiced a few different forms of divination. He interpreted dreams and also practiced a form of hydromancy. And as many children will remember from their Sunday school lessons Joseph was and still is honored by the Jewish people as a great patriarch; a patriarch who was skilled in at least 2 forms of divination!
DailyTarotReader 3 months ago in playlist Tarot College 101 Lessons 1-6.
@DailyTarotReader Pay no heed to those who speak on the tarot with no knowledge of the rota.
How could they know the tarot, if all they know is the surface? Scraping together what little meaning they can find and then by clinging adamantly to their ignorance, they remain there, telling all of what little they know. How many heads does the hydra need?
dukeofzhou 3 months ago
The problem with Tarot for divination is the fact, that it is accepted as a divination tool because its so-told ancient origins and connections with people who built the yramids or wrote the Bible.
But these connections are a simple lie. If the truth was well-known, that Tarot was created as a card game 500 years ago, it might not be a well running bussines for the occultist industry.
And there are many people who like the truth, and like the Tarot with its 500 years old history and complexity.
zagyex 2 years ago 2
wow, never knew that tarot was originally a card game. Tarot has come so far since then...that's just too cool.
thedarkmoonmidnight 2 years ago 4
Tarot was not just originally a card game - it still is. The games are played throughout much of continental Europe. Most countries now use a French suited tarot pack with a variety of novel trump designs - but the traditional suits and trumps are still used in games play in Italy, Sicily, Switzerland, and of course, by those who just prefer them.
ANIideas 2 years ago 7
ANIideas, thanks for clearing that up. Just goes to show that when you think you might understand something....you might just have no idea, lol.
thedarkmoonmidnight 2 years ago 4
Blessings )O(
lindasper 2 years ago
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wyzzy 2 years ago
No, it is clear that tarot is NOT Egyptian in origin. The trump images are European.
philebus1972 2 years ago 6
tarot taps into the subconcious motor mind...its a window into the unknown...unknown because we cant conciously tap into our subconcious, or others subconcious, but with tarot, we can do this...and the results are amazing
bobtommsncom 2 years ago
YOUR SO DUMB ACT YOUR AGE 10 YEAR OLD
jassypoo1 2 years ago
Yes, Tarot cards were originally made for card games.
Aerisselicious 2 years ago 6
you have such a great voice
nickia88 2 years ago 3
if the idiots want to play cards, then let them play cards..stop bugging tarot readers
bobtommsncom 3 years ago
If tarot readers gave a rather more informed and honest account of tarot's history, no one would bug them.
philebus1972 2 years ago 7
africans in asia 1 to 9 on youtube check it out
and africans in achent mexico 1to 22
iirepoii 3 years ago
Tarot cards were really made to play a card game!
Tarockspieler 3 years ago 4
ever since i was really amazed about the tarot and the meaning of it. how I wish I can also study about this mystical card and please tell me where to purchase
saintbarrabackxs 3 years ago
The easiest place to try would be the spiritual section in any decent bookstore. Some books come with the book.
Or you can try a spiritual or mystical shop.
hipretty 2 years ago
show me the stop crazy writer dcf
yamamangiao 3 years ago
t is my past live is ?
yamamangiao 3 years ago
not u again
yamamangiao 3 years ago
Tarots have been studied by Carl Gustav Jung too; think about this fact guys.
oloscience 3 years ago
Ahah putain c'est à se tapper le cul par terre ces vidéos.
Tarockspieler 3 years ago 12
I just don't get why you're so obsessed with what people do with their personal belongings. I have read Tarot for years and have never "brainwashed" anyone thanks. Most people KNOW you can also use the cards as a game if you want to. There are instructions in a lot of decks by US GAMES as to how to use them as a game also. People DO think for themselves, and if they want to use the cards for divination and they spend the money on the cards, they can do what they want with them.
TarotSkye 3 years ago
i really enjoyed this video for i love all history. you seem to be knowledgeable on the history of tarot. the only time i winced was when you threw in the crack about christians using the romany and the jews as scapegoats. which religion, nation, or culture HASN'T had its scapegoat? native american tribes warred at each other for slaves. jews and muslims r always hurting each other. commies killed millions of christians, jews, gypsies. how many people got their first tarot deck for xmas?
shizaunilicious 3 years ago
Ahah putain c'est à se tapper le cul par terre ces vidéos. XD
AnonWWXD 3 years ago 7
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whoever thinks tarot is games and whatnot is without knowledge on it in all seriousness
erin517 3 years ago
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You are without knowledge of tarot's history. Tarot was originally made for card games. Tarot is also the name of a popular card game in France. People in europe play real card games with tarot. I have played them on the interenet.
tarot4games 3 years ago 8
If people find comfort in the cards in their own personal way, then what's it to you? A person can use them however they want to.
TarotSkye 3 years ago 2
Yeah, do what you want with the cards but stop bullshitting about other peoples culture. People should know that those cards were made for a game and people still play tarot games today! Tarot is for card games, people!
tarot4games 3 years ago
thanks on posting this, real informative, good information
erin517 3 years ago
How are the Jews Christianity's scapegoats? Christianity was founded by a Jew (Jesus). In fact, the idea of "scapegoat" comes from a Jewish tradition!
jm2trash 3 years ago
The Jews were the Christians' scapegoats for centuries, primarily because a)Jews in Europe were seen as outsiders and foreigners, therefore not trusted, and b) Christians viewed Jews as the murderers of Christ. Since Christians had religious laws against usury, Jews also acted as banks, and people resented owing them money. Jews were usually placed into ghettos, blamed for unfortunate natural events, and were subject to persecution and execution.
USFella 3 years ago
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What is presented in "The Secret In The Bible" by Tony Bushby is not only PHYSICALLY REPRODUCEABLE and thus UNDENIABLE, but known historical fact. The symbols are not only derived from Egypt, but also from Khepra, or the benben, taro is rota reversed, the 't' later added as a 'blind'. Rotation or rotate is what the rainbow serpent of light did, casting 22 shadows or glyphs which are the basis of the 22 arcana, veiled later in the cards, and depicted on Egyptian temple walls/halls of initiation.
tigr7170 3 years ago
True, Tarot has its origin in gaming, that is a matter of historical record. However, because the card's origins are involved in a game does not box them into that catagory for all time. Just because someone made an object for a particular purpose does not mean that the object must be only used for its original intent. Please feel free to use the cards as a game, that's actually very cool. Just please don't try to dictate that this is their only use.
dkinnibu 3 years ago 4
The problem is that the tarot outside of Europe has been boxed into divination. Tarot card readers do not always tell the whole story about tarot. If the tarot readers and new age publishers informed the public about its gaming use, there would be no issue. The new age has given the American public a skewed view of the cards.
tarot4games 3 years ago 4
Who cares? Use the cards for what you want, and stop pushing what you think on other people. If people find comfort in the cards in their own personal way, then what's it to you tarot4games?
TarotSkye 3 years ago 2
There is better Tarot history video on YT now!
See "Lost History-Tarot Cards" This newer video is only based on the facts instead of myths
Oudler 3 years ago 6
i really enjoy your lessons informative and you have a great voice
myasgrandma 3 years ago
Tarot was made for no other purpose than for playing a card game!
tarot4games 4 years ago
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Oudler 4 years ago 3
He has a great voice! This history of tarot is very interesting. Thanks for posting this!
harpgos 4 years ago
One thing I've noticed is he doesn't show us any of these old Tarot decks. I find it odd for a Tarot video not to show us Tarot cards.
Oudler 4 years ago 2
even though i already knew much of the information you put out, it was good and should prolly be watched by someone who has no knowledge or little of tarot.
TheLastQuincy4 4 years ago
I love his voice. I could listen to him for hours. He has excellent enunciation.
MoonCandleLady 4 years ago
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this dude is hilarious!! just listen to how much he loves to pronounces his s's....
kamiradancer 4 years ago
Great videos!
IAMASCREENNAME 4 years ago
"A History of Games Played With the Tarot Pack" by Michael Dummett and John McLeod is essential reading. You can get vol.1 at thepiratebay dot org "/tor/3913821". Or just go to thepiratebay dot org and search for it under Ebooks. It's an expensive book so I scanned it for you poor kids! You should convince your local libraries to buy it though!! ISBN10: 0-7734-6447-6 ISBN13: 978-0-7734-6447-6 <-give those #'s to the librarian!
anonrt6 4 years ago 4
I have both of these volumes and they are an excellent source of Tarot information. The mainstream press is usually very one-sided about Tarot. Many people have the false notion that Tarot is only for divination. More people should know that not only were Tarot cards made for games but that people today are still playing card games with Tarot.
Oudler 4 years ago 4
That's okay, I like the salty taste of brine...
jimmyrae 4 years ago
this is good and the Teacher is cute.
jimmyrae 4 years ago
this is bad and you need glasses
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
I'd drink his bath water!
jimmyrae 4 years ago
It may not be all bath water...
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
mind you im not saying that thats even their origin, just that there is ample evidence to show that it was something before it was a fortune telling game or game of chance or anything like that.
Vertigo6911 4 years ago
There is no evidence at all that tarot was meant to be anything more than a card game.
tarot4games 4 years ago 2
i have evidence... my intention! further, a "game" is just a concept and idea anyway, and tarot taps into universal archetypes, thereby transcending the laws of an even greater "game." the game that humans would play to keep the light of god out of their hearts!
hiccupofirony 4 years ago
your facts only document the development of a set of cards.
tarot is not a set of cards, its a set of symbols.
symbols that have been used by mystery schools in their initiation rituals.
Vertigo6911 4 years ago
thats because ure too retarded to seperate the symbols from the cards.
u fucking moron, your wrong, just deal with it!
Vertigo6911 4 years ago
Wow, retard? fucking moron? I can understand you being sore to find someone threating your occultist fantasies concerning the Tarot... but that's no way to pose an argument Vert! Saying I'm WRONG is an awfully bold claim. Those of us trying to show the true history of Tarot have a good deal of documented facts on our side. Whereas, you have documented fantasies and suggestions from people who have been shown to make distorted and wrong claims in the past.
Duckhugger 4 years ago 4
Do some research, and by research I mean challenge your own ideas don't just read from sources that agree with you... insulting and casting aside the rest!
Duckhugger 4 years ago 4
this guy is making the same mistake everyone else is.
the cards are not the pieces of cardboard, they are the symbols printed on them.
the symbols existed long before they ever were printed on cards, like stone tablets in ainchent agypt for example...
Vertigo6911 4 years ago
Many of the symbols on the Rider-Waite cards that we know today were added long after the creation of Tarot cards. Before that the images on Tarot cards were often shifting incorporating a variety of fanciful designs. The Rider-Waite brand of Tarot images is a modern concoction less than 100 years old even! Sure it draws on Egyptian symbols... but that doesn't mean that Tarot cards ever came from ancient Egypt!
Duckhugger 4 years ago 3
If I redesigned the standard deck of playing cards we know today into a deck of fortune telling cards with symbols from ancient Norway... 100 years later will there be yahoos claiming the mystical heritage of playing cards from ancient Norway? History was a lot easier to manufacture and brandish about back in the days of EA Waite and Crowley.
Duckhugger 4 years ago 2
Today it's a bit easier for the real facts of history to be scrutinized and cross referenced. The mystical claims to the history of Tarot simply hold no water!
Duckhugger 4 years ago 3
asshole, if u think only the symbols printed on cardboard = tarot u totaly miss just about everything of value to it, and to u it never will be more then a game.
your wrong, get over it.
Vertigo6911 4 years ago
Wow getting snippy there Vert? To me it was ONCE something more than a game. I used to read fortunes with it until I realized the self deception and cold-reading that drive the use of Tarot. The cards (in their original form) are very valuable as playing cards, they don't NEED to have hoodo-voodo spiritual powers to be worthwhile.
Duckhugger 4 years ago 3
What I'm trying to show you is that mystical symbolism based off Egyptian images or the Kabalah can be employed to illustrate cards and make them seem more spiritual... but that doesn't mean that Crowley and Waite's origin stories for the cards hold any historical truth. If they are true... where are the 15th century cards with these symbols? Scrutinize history and you find all that is added later. It was part of Tarot's RECENT history not ANCIENT history!
Duckhugger 4 years ago 3
His history, if you listened, he puts forth in terms of theories, not saying it is absolute fact. Yes, some believe tarot was a game, but that is not important. What IS important is that it works as a system of divination. Stupid yahoos that are just looking for something in every video to whine about need to get a life, seriously.
Feather13 4 years ago
This is no belief, tarot was and still is played as a card game! Tarot reading is an abuse of tarot.
tarot4games 4 years ago
dude STFU, you were wrong commenting the same bs at every other topic and you are wrong at this one.
deal with it.
Vertigo6911 4 years ago
All recorded history we can follow back shows Tarot cards as something that came about in the 15th century as a card-playing game. The false histories and theories concerning cards as divination tools didn't arise until later on. Much of the "Egyptian" imagery upon the cards was added with the Rider-Waite deck in 1909. Like the sphinxes on the chariot. It wasn't part of the original designs.
Duckhugger 4 years ago 4
I can't wait to get started ! thanks!
hiccupofirony 4 years ago
new age tarot is cultural theft! Not only is it true that tarot cards were created for games, people still play card games with tarot cards. Game playing is the more intelligent use for tarot cards
tarot4games 4 years ago
OMG!! Could this guy talk anymore annoyingly????
Just when you think he's done with a word he slithers in a plural or suffix.
sharonar22 4 years ago
i share with u this opinion. he talks unsupportably
sedmacedo 4 years ago
Fortune telling tarot is a rotting corpse from the hippy generation. It is a practice based on ignorance of tarot's true history.
Tarockspieler 4 years ago 2
lmao, well I guess it works differently for people cause for me it predicts everything that's gonna happen tarock
stephanie3215777 4 years ago
Tarot cards are playing cards. Tarot cards do not come from Egypt and there were not created for fortune telling. There is no evidence at all they were intended to mean anything. Despite popular misconceptions, tarot is not some mysterious oracle but a type of card game.
Tarockspieler 4 years ago 2
Nice point but we all agreed on that yonks ago. We know where they came from, we know they were invented for card games and we know people get really annoyed arguing about it. Im open to all possibilities at the moment and I am enjoying working these cards.
wyzzy 4 years ago
Aleister Crowleys Thoth Tarot deck made the idea of connecting the 10 sephira of the Kabalah to Tarot popular though the idea was previously also done in the Golden Dawn. Read Crowleys work if you want to learn something about this subject for real as he was infinately more intelligent than all the posters here.
wyzzy 4 years ago
Crowley was an anti-Semite and misogynist.
tarot4games 4 years ago
No he wasnt, You are wrong.
wyzzy 4 years ago
You need to research that as you are clearly mistaken. I have read two of his works and he was a racist as were many of the Victorian era.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
I am not mistaken at all. I have read many of his books including the latest highly regarded biography Perdurabo. To say he was an anti semite is not true, to say he was a misogynist is also incorrect. None of this has anything to do with his reworking of the tarot.
wyzzy 4 years ago
Tarot has no historical connections with astrology or Kabbalah. The Tarot deck was created for playing a trick taking card game. Descendents of the original tarot card game are still played in France, Italy, Switzerland, and Austria. Tarot is really for card games, people!
tarot4games 4 years ago 3
Here's to the uninitiated!
purgatoryincolor 4 years ago
Showing images of the cards he is discussing would be helpful.
bayardcoll 4 years ago
This is a joke of course? This is superstitious clap trap. This is as bad as astrology and palm reading. Pure BS.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
No more worse than faith healing, prayer, or the laying of hands.
Different strokes for different folks. Get off your high horse.
Joszuaprocess 4 years ago
Just as bad as faith healing, prayer, laying of hands, astrology, psychics. What's you point?
zzytrewq 4 years ago
My point is what is your point?
What makes your point of view so much better than anyone else?
Joszuaprocess 4 years ago
This is a forum? So that is part of the point. Some points of view a based on fact. I worry that people actually believe a set of cards can tell someone anything at all about another person. And people believe it. This is about "cold reading", it is fraud. Paying for such services fraud. It may be fun, but it is dishonest.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
If you are going discredit a process, then at least understand what the process is. The use of tarot can invite in the use of "cold reading" as you put it. However, that is the fault of the user for obstructing the meaning of the cards for his own ends. It is recommended by legitimate users of these cards that you alway do your own reading. You can discredit their use to that end if you want. But don't be surprised if you are called a bigot in response.
Joszuaprocess 4 years ago
I get called a bigot when I criticize this stuff all the time. It is an indication that I am close to the truth when people use personal abuse to end the argument. Doing your own reading is going to give you biased results. This stuff needs single and double blind testing rigor to cut out the bias/cold reading aspects. Do that and I'll bet the cards say nothing about a person.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Do your own reading? You are kidding of course! How on earth can that give a true result? Personal bias is so strong you'll believe anything the cards say. Plus it is BS anyway.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
You miss the point - Tarot/I-Ching/Etc. are not meant to be a pair of binoculars for the metaphorical horizon. It is a tool for spiritual growth. The problem with fanatical debunkers like yourself is that you fail to understand that not everyone uses these items to shill a dollar of some unsuspecting chump. A lot do use them as part of their religion, spirituality, etc. That is what makes you a bigot. YOU feel as though any use of them illegitimate and so should EVERYONE else.
Joszuaprocess 4 years ago
Explain spiritual growth in the context of random images on cardboard.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
It is a tool for spiritual growth in the same context that a crucifix, Star of David, or Yin-Yang symbol is. The media that is printed on or otherwise created with does not diminish it's importance to or impact on it's adherents. To say the images are random paints even clearer picture of your ignorance and ignores the obvious spiritual symbols through out them. I suggest you research these supposed "random" images rather than the classifieds for 1-900 tarot readers to debunk.
Joszuaprocess 4 years ago
The deck is shuffled and they are dealt out. That is not random? If they are not random then that is paranormal. Yet other Tarot readers tell me it is not a paranormal practice. Can you clarify that please?
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Randomness does play a factor in the usage of the cards, not the imagery. The belief is that when you shuffle the deck, mind intuits which card to pick, thus revealing your subconscious. That, in itself, is a metaphysical/paranormal practice as you are dealing with parapsychological topics like intution, esp, etc.
Anyone who tells you different is full of shit or ignorant.
Joszuaprocess 4 years ago
I'm no wiser after reading that explanation. Are you saying there is or is not a paranoromal practice involved?
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Perhaps if you had the ability to parse a coherent statement then you would of read my answer.
The belief is that when you shuffle the deck, mind intuits which card to pick, thus revealing your subconscious. That, in itself, is a metaphysical/paranormal practice as you are dealing with parapsychological topics like intution, esp, etc.
Yes, there is a paranormal practice. No more different than communion and transfiguration except with a different set of archetypes and symbols.
Joszuaprocess 4 years ago
Does it make you feel good being sarcastic as well as rude? I wouldn't have to ask the question twice if it was written in plain English instead of new age prattle. By the way it is "would have read my answer" not "would of". Then you'd know that wouldn't you smarty pants
So Tarot readings involve the paranormal. Interestingly that contradicts what some others on YouTube are saying, and it contradicts all scientific principles.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
New Age prattle? Now who is being arrogant? Yes, concepts used in English literature and Psychology are such prattle. Pardon my misspelling. I wasn't aware a common slip on the keyboard was going to brand me an idiot.
You are free to believe what you want to believe, as is everyone else. However, I suggest you learn a bit of tolerance for those who do not share your ideas and opinions. Just because it does not conform to your rigid world view does not mean it is inherently false.
Joszuaprocess 4 years ago
You started it with reference to my ability to parse a statement. Don't assume because I disagree with your line of thought that I'm an idiot. Just put your ideas in plain English and type a bit slower. (a joke! don't get offended!). Just tell me how the stuff is paranormal.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
Hey ZoeMarks, what's your game? This is my debate, stop pretending to be me. P*ssoFF or I'll misread your cards. Good points though.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
ZoeMarks: Spiritual growth? It works with your interpretation of images. Maybe you identify a King, want to be like him, or he reminds you someone. You learn to listen to yourself, I guess. It's the same with dreams. Say you dream of killing your neighbour and are happy in the dream you know then you should probably leave the unpleasant situation with your neighbour. YOU are the best interpreter.
Etn0rias 4 years ago
Fantastic tarot videos. Thank you so much! YOU ROCK!!!!
OzeBoy25 5 years ago
I've viewed the first SIX programs (tarot 101). I find these accessible, focussed, and welcoming. I'm rewatching to solidify my understanding of the tarot structure. I look forward to the 7th presentation (covering 'spreads'). I thank you for these gifts!
garacha607 5 years ago
Rev Don you're awesome. Thanks for keeping it all real.
bunnycatch3r 5 years ago
Very well done. Good quality. I already have some working knowledge and a great deal of interest in the Tarot...will watch the rest of your productions.
NorthernKiara 5 years ago
Great information about Tarot. Worth watching even if you have the knowledge of the cards. I look forward to watching any additional videos.
MagikMichael 5 years ago