WCG Korea 09 Ro4 Jaedong v Stork Set 1

[alquiora]

Complete dominance over Jaedong. Great play by Stork.

[ameryllw]

I'd rather have people say topleft, topright, midleft, midright, etc. Many of these maps have stuff in the topleft or topright, which correspond to a number like "10:30" which is pretty awkward to have to picture. Commentators often have to fudge it, calling it 10 instead, which throws both them and me off a little.

[ycz13]

18:04 Storms the Nydus Canal. Nice.

[Balgore8]

11 Kill hero Lurker, who moved back and never even ended up dieing! Definitely MVP unit lol.

[RockOfMud]

Personally, I would prefer angles (like 30 degrees instead of 1o'clock). The clock is hard to picture for some reason. I guess I'm too used to digital

[palidan99]

using the hours of a clock is much more commonly used than angles. "watch your six" "12 o'clock straight ahead" "coming up, 2 o'clock" are used more than angles in my opinion and it's easier to picture.

No need to have 360 directions when 12 is enough to get a good idea of where someone is referring to

[goonzies]

Lol cholera kinda reminds me of an overexcited muppet.... no offense to him, great commentaries...

[VagueVideos]

lol at the dead observers

[HeLL12aiseR]

seems like Stork took some private lessons from his teammate JangBi on how to win with storms. Stork did a very good job with his high templars, they're the main reason why Jaedong didnt manage to complete his comeback...

[Artofoov]

Why they covering their face man wtf!!

[roflcopters99]

It's where the players main bases are on the map (in relation to the numbers on a clock)

[thfFromRussia]

what means P1 and Z11?

[RockOfMud]

Positions on the clock, convenient way of saying where people start on the map.

[thfFromRussia]

thank you. i thought it is something like a rank :)

[qooxoop]

Good job VioleTAK for the excellent videos! (:

[Nevaeh225]

Where does Klazart live??

I've never heard them talk about it in their videos, maybe I'm just dumb.

[Andersp90]

Go stork!

[BobBurnnquist]

wowsomanEviews

[jhp531]

"such a shit" ... and you're calling me the retard lol, learn to speak proper english before trying to be an arsehole.

[jhp531]

food count? ... it's Unit count >.>

[gameboyredpee]

"food for thought"

so i call it food as well. and in warcraft, they show food so i call it food count in that case as well :)

[nejnej00]

would be fun to see some neutral creeps on the expansions :P like wc3

[drygel16]

I actually rather like the 1-gate builds from Protoss. You HAVE to harass the Zerg if you do it, but it allows the Protoss to dictate play more, and sometimes it's easier to harass your opponent than to keep them from either harassing you or getting more expos than you can handle.

[stevethemacguy]

I'm glad you mentioned Stork's observers. JD is good, but this is certainly something stork needs to work on and it doesn't look like he's made much of an effort to improve it. It might be due to the way Stork groups his units. I don't know if other Pro-gamers ever hotkey their observers (I doubt it), but I know from watching stork at the last WCG that he just groups them with his goons. Perhaps his apm is better spent elsewhere, but at least he seems to be building more PvZ now so that's good.

[Clearstarsummer]

p needs to use archons more.

[endplanets]

4:15  no a 5 sec delay is not cool for the speed of the internet. Or my massive impatience.

[TaylorXFactor]

Jaedong could have totally won, just muta harase the probes in storks main, or those begging mutas could have taken out a gateway or 2 if he microwed right

[dualkeybladeroxas]

There were too many cannons , temps, and dragoons. He only had 6 or so mutas, which took damage very quickly. Even with godlike micro, you cant break a defense like that with only a handful of mutas.

[FuckingSnorlax]

fuku chainamaens

[abramsantana]

I think storks storms and unit composition really one the game for him (except that one storm on his own probes of course)

[Tillysouth]

when do you put sunken down if you are planning a 2 hatch hydra rush?? Kind of stupid note by klazart.

the 2 zealots + dragoon really stopped the rush build. nice attack by stork.

[vanillacrem3]

It wasn't a rush. If Jaedong had wanted to commit to a surprise rush, he would have built more lings to both kill the scouting probe early and to assist in the attack. JD was actually somewhat greedy with his drones, suggesting he was only building the minimal number of hydras necessary to fend off an early sair. JD's overconfidence in his defense is what cost him.

[ForbiddianSC]

Psi lock doesn't hurt a zerg player very much.

I don't think it was worth the corsair to take out the Overlord.

I wish you guys wouldn't look at the food count so much. It might be a good way to fine tune the commentary, but you can't rely on it to determine who is ahead.

[thedelta88]

gotta get that turd base

[manuelschindler]

...yes you can.

[palidan99]

woah wtf, horrible observer control, you'd think he'd learn by the third or so observer

[palidan99]

rofl friendly fire storm

[gigioneumatica]

haha heavy fire from the probe

[deefromott]

totally wrecks him at 14:45

[funnybananaman94]

wow great play from stork

[NETMR2]

good game

[Baleur]

On a sidenote, i wonder if Citadel of Adun will be renamed for SC2 to Citadel of Tassadar.. I'm thinking along the lines of "En taro Adun!" which changed to "En taro Tassadar!" at the end of the campaign :P

[Kakashinoor]

JAEDONG IS COMING FROM A GOLDEN MOUSE I HOPE HE CAN WIN WCG!

I like to write caps :P

[derekWC3]

gg!!

[Sc2ggrocks]

yo cholera, jaedong isnt master of zerg race, hes the master of his own race, jaedongs race, k? lol

[Baleur]

lol =) k dude ^_^

[USpecies]

hyuk is TEH greatest challenger ever born, he just dont know himself ^^

[drkarma503]

hyuk is amazing some games and not so amazing others... Choleras broadcast on him playing recently watch them if you havent lol.

[Womack51]

gg, great commentary, thank you Cholera-Klaz !

[MostCreativeName]

cholera and klaz should start learning that food count simply doesn't matter.

[Briscoe01]

It really does matter:(

[MostCreativeName]

No it doesn't. Zerg is supposed to be lower pop than both protoss and terran because of how fast they regenerate and the fact they have less drones. Protoss should be higher than terran in PvT since terran units are more expensive and more durable. Think about it. If each race was maxed at 200/200, zerg would be the strongest because of it's gas heavy units, terran would be 2nd strongest, and protoss would be weakest since they have the cheapest means of production (gateway)

[Sc2ggrocks]

yeh, plus, most of toss units require very heavy pop, like they could have 100 zealots while zerg has 200 hydras, so yes, i agree with ur statement

[KlazartSC]

You're right that a small difference in food count doesn't matter. But when you get to the 50 or so range then it's one of many indicators that you can use to judge a game situation imo.

[drkarma503]

it does matter -.-;; the more food someones using means hes ahead units, it may be military units economy units etc. if you have more military units its good, if you have more economy units your more ahead. however vs Zerg zerg make up for it fast.

[MostCreativeName]

If you have say 50 scvs off 2 bases, 25 scvs per base, most of them aren't mining compared to if a zerg has 30 drones off 3 bases. That's mainly why zerg usually has less pop than the other races because of their reduced drone count. A Terran army can take out a protoss army that's around 20 pop higher than it. Why? because even though it doesn't have as many units, it's just as strong.

[pianomikey0]

BTW, thanx guide. This qual is TDF.

[pianomikey0]

Cholera-Klazart!!! <3

[MattandSteveSC]

great commentary. good to see you guys doing big games together.

[OminouString]

I've been to hard on Klazart, he is getting much softer, much easier to listen to these days. Making duals helps a lot to, Klazart tends to get very intense in his singles.

Thx for the work you guys though, keep it up!

[Pacober1]

i love how klaz says ouch at hurtful moments in his videos, that and much other stuff by both commentators just adds to the comic aspect of these videos.

[Mikaia]

there no such thing as a "much more superior ... army"

[siciliano29]

"WCG Korea"? Am I missing something, or isn't the WORLD cyber games supposed to include other countries too? I remember PJ from China winning it once. Is there also a WCG world competition for SC? That would be a little redundant as far as the name goes.

Can someone clarify this for me? ;)

[CyrilCaps]

The WCG does include all countries but "WCG Korea" is to narrow down which players the country wishes to send.

[siciliano29]

How far did the other countries get this year (in SC)??

[Kuzmorgo]

its the qualifier

[funkyc9]

this is the qualifier for the main event, 3 Koreans get to go afaik

[siciliano29]

Oh ok, it's a qualifier! Now it makes sense. Why didn't they put that in the desc? ;)

[GULRUDJ]

I guess there's too much to put in the description. I wondered if this was a commentary; don't like it when they're not...

[1337Baboon]

jaedong always loses the first game then steamrolls the opponent

[odourpreventer]

How come one base tech is so effective on this map?

[Silver19321]

the game was kinda meh but the commentary was great!

[redeye117]

.... I find it that once Protoss create a blob.. it is imposible for Zerg to defeat..

[Puckstop101]

nah its just jaedong didnt have the units to work , or the econ to suport the units he had to make. i actully think also that plague wouldve been a better choice for his defilers instead of dark swarm, with how many templar and zealots storkh had in his army, but im not a pro gamer so i would just fail anyways :)

[redeye117]

Agree plague would do better than swarm.. since swarm = Storm magnet..

[Puckstop101]

i caNT rember tho if plague comes with defiler or is it dark swarm that does. if plague doesnt he might not have had the econamy to even get plague casue he had to just make mass of units to try and hold stork back

[mireka]

You might want to look at his resources again. He got like 500 in his bank.

[Puckstop101]

just casue he had 500 mins doestn mean he can afford to get plague, those mins wouldve had to be used for units after the orignal units where made

[thebluemeaner]

swarm, plague is 200 200 to research if I'm not wrong.

[ameryllw]

swarm is free. Plague is 200/200. Devour is 100/100. Devour is the thing they have to research before swarm becomes a major factor.

[Womack51]

That is true !

[iambaubo]

Heheh. Go Stork. Btw, I'm surprised that one base thing works so well. I know Stork whacked Yarnc with it on this same map. I guess this is his standard PvZ OP on the map.

[TheHazimsanjib]

one base is non standard for a very long time now. Stork is pretty much the only player that still uses those oldschool strats. I think that makes him the most exciting player in pvz. Just remeber him going carriers and stuff against zerg two years ago was so awesome

[Miikle89]

Jaedongs mutalisks have a scourge shooting ability

[RealmEternal]

gg.

[Wogrim]

JD wasn't prepared for the ground units that came with the initial corsair; he had his overlords together so that he could easily defend them with hydras, but that came out poorly because he couldn't spend his time attacking the corsair.

[Robotman42]

Stork took on quite a big advantage in the opening - he prevented Jaedong from getting many drones, he killed not one, not two, but THREE overlords, he forced a fast hydra den, and he got a quick expansion. At the end, he was about 50 up in POP, which is a decisive advantage. 20 is typical, 30 bearable, but 50 is too much.

I think Jaedong's rush to hive had something to do with his loss - he didn't seem to have the econ to support hive tech.

[SovietSR71]

i say! Frightfully insightful commentary, old chap!

[Yuicy]

There's been so many Zerg players winning lately that i'm really glad to see Protoss player doing well against one of the best. That was exciting game and as Protoss player myself i really liked Storks play here.

[lendial]

jaedong is the most exciting zerg to watch (ducks from savior fans).

[Influenza91]

Usually I root for zerg, but go Stork!!!

[RaiKageRyu]

That scourge was hidden so well that even i didn't notice it.

[Puckstop101]

only the first sair was killed by scurge, i think the second was just killed by the mutas

[Ardunafeth]

Excellent commentary!

[evildonut]

how the hell do u hide scourge so well 0.0

[Puckstop101]

it got jaedong cloaking :)

[jamchew1982]

where are the rise-cholera commentaries T__T

[buddyboy122122]

I can't even bring myself to blame Stork for losing those obs, it seems impossible to protect them from scourges that are used so well

[kujamannen89]

Wow, it seems Cholera has improved, good job =)

[labartic]

LMFAO Those observers lives basically equal - fly to front line, eat a fucking scourge.

[Aikionen]

@labartic, your comment made me both laugh and nod. So true!

[labartic]

Oh man I was laughing my balls off trust me. I kept thinking "holy shit the next one he HAS to move THIS one out of the way.... BOOM" LOLOLOL

[Aikionen]

I think Stork had the same thoughts hahaha!

[Iaaanxd]

You have to go 2 hatch hydralisk vs a fast one gate tech build from a protoss, otherwise a potential cosair will just destroy your overlords. 3 hatch hydra is simply too late.

[Mykillyang]

Hyuk lololol

(he all-killed STX in the masters tourney)

great commentary again :)

[Sabu113]

FTW! No joke about the way he loses games. -.-

[hellshade]

GG nice dual commentary =)

[murdoc614]

<3 <3<3<3<3<3 Cholera

[Rickder19]

"...coming at us quick and hard" That's what I do to irisx85.

[Hannnez]

Finally! Thanks guys, love you!

[RussellKD]

i like the cholera/klazart commentaries the best

[irisx85]

Derrick Anderson

[ddstar]

woot