I'm sorry to say but, have you seen that episode of south Park when the new teacher replaces Mr. Garrison for the episode and the ADD kids can't stop babling and then he slaps the shit out of them "Slap! sit down and shut up (but I'm sitting) Slap! sit down and shut up! (kid sits down and shuts up)" my school was like that, and I can tell you it works well, fantastic even. The reason is the kids are extra unreasonable, and so applying reason n "laws" won't really work... not psychologically.
Would you be interested in defending that statement in a live debate with me?
"no foresight on human nature"
You should try paying attention to what was said in the video, in which I explicitly stress humans' tendency to be assholes. We have an endless supply of naturally inclined behaviors which we successfully avoid acting out due to existing laws. Bully laws are no exception. School yard "power structures" don't override civilization. Go live in a jungle, nature lover.
"Again laws should only be made that support rights"
Such as the right to not be bullied & driven to the point of suicide in a civilized state. This is the very last time I'm pointing this fact out to you, you absolute obsessive troll. You insist on wasting my time by continuing to spray the same old thoughtless graffiti on my board. You've been offered multiple opportunities to have a real debate with me live & have repeatedly wormed out of accepting it. You will not waste anymore of my time.
expectations. That is what it all boils down to. That is the only thing that keeps the powerful from completely exploiting the rest. Expectations, those things we all rights. Those things we expect not to be interfered with or else. If you allow people to expect laws from those in power, laws which sole purpose is just to make people do what they want. Your are running down a road to doom. Very unenlightened indeed.
And you apparently believe that children who have caused no ill to others should have zero expectations to not be bullied to the point where they become suicidal. Somehow that's too high an expectation, removed from the ones you are on board with. For the 100th time, explain why you make the random exception. You haven't explained this so far because:
A. You can't.
B. You enjoy all the ongoing attention I've been giving you.
@AntiBSMan Again, what would your law do that current laws do not. Your melodramatic arguments aside you have not given one shred of logical or reasoned support for your own assumptions, all you have done is tried to disproof a counter argument i have made and have failed miserably.
Being assertive & rightly calling you on your endless streams of bullshit does not make my argument "melodramatic". Look up the word.
The rest of your post is, again, just empty rhetoric. I've made zero assumptions. Kids are actually being driven to commit suicide over being bullied. The evidence for this is overwhelming. If you truly believed that I am incapable of a single shred of logic to support my "assumptions", then you'd have no issues debating me live.
Sad, dude, i backed you up several times in some of your previous videos. Now i find you have a set of beliefs that can not be challenged with logic or reason. That you can not see any possibilities other then what you want to see. That you have in effect created your own religion. ./shakes his head/. Back on point. what would your anti-bulling law do that is not covered by current laws that should be done? Other then to create more victim's mentality and more whinny ars punks.
"what would your anti-bulling law do that is not covered by current laws"
Children are not subject to the harassment laws you're thinking of. You have already asked this question before & I have already answered it. In typical fashion you divert from following up to my answer, only to ask the same question again days later, making me repeat my answer. The rest of your post is just more baseless huffing & puffing. Oh I have my own religion now? How very original of you & not at all cliche mush.
@AntiBSMan "Children are not subject to the harassment laws you're thinking of.",
Well in the USA they have the 14th amendment, which guaranties equal protection under the law for all peoples. The USA the first secular government, with a constitution written by enlighten men. The same constitution and enlightenment that is threaten by people such as your self, They have hundreds of quotes speeches and papers warring of the path you are on.
"14th amendment, which guaranties equal protection"
No child faces legal action over bullying someone in a school setting unless a specific anti-bullying law is in effect pertaining to the school.
"constitution written by enlighten men"
They were slave owners & sexist religious nutjobs, amongst other things. They wrote a document with the intention of it being self-interest of the rich. The world has changed a bit since 1776 & the constitution has been amended times over.
You're fudging. Hate is hate, and bullying is bullying. Being a Jew is also a "lifestyle choice." You can always convert to Pentecostalism, or become an atheist, or just keep your religion in the closet. Laissez-faire in this regard only benefits the bully - just as the "free market" only benefits the rich. So I do see the logic in your argument. :D
Bully - Someone whom society favors because he exhibits selfish, cruel, extroverted genes which will enable to him to successfully negotiate the adult world. Society pretends to hate him, but does nothing, as if we approve of his behavior. Contrary to popular belief, bullies sometimes ARE successful later in life, while their victims are not. After all, it is strength humans value and strength that rules us.
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Here's my 2 centavos on the topic, drawn from my experience, take it what it's worth. A hulking assclown was fucking with me in 8th grade, so I told my father one morning I was going to be kicked out of school before the day was over. That morning I walked up to said a-clown and hit him up the side of the head. Before it got too seious the teacher intervened - for once! - and I was expelled, on cue. Which leads me to --->
<------------ Perhaps the most effective way is a combination tactic: appeal to the authorities first, make them aware of the problem; and if real mutilating violence is threatened, then self-defense can't be argued with. As for those who find it difficult to fight back - there's no ideal solution, and I won't type what I'm thinking, but Gandhi did say that violence is preferable to submitting to injustice. Let your conscience be your guide.
I think your opinion on this point is moot. there will always be bullies and victims, but at least we should try to punish/stop the bullies. a teacher cant stop a bully if they dont have legal backup
Did you watch the video? I'm all for trying to punish/stop the bullies & I repeatedly said that I endorse the laws in question, despite the potential issues I outlined in addition to that.
Also, just like when a teacher can punish anyone for talking during an exam, a teacher can also punish a bully without there being an official law backing it. The official law just makes the extreme cases easier to handle and will hopefully create some deterrence.
great, balanced video. there is too much hypersensitivity round these parts, funny how the people who cry about that stuff seem to be pretty ready and able to go on the offensive when it suits them tho.
overall, it is a good idea but yea it may be real effin hard to differentiate between legitimate bullying and simple tit for tat playground shit. we shall see....
About getting your "butt kick" and why it is good. Two people i know you heard of understood how this works very well, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, Martin Luther King. I have watched a few of your videos and i know you to be very insightful. With those two in mind, think of this. One should stand up to any form of tyranny or injustice even if they will get there "butts kick" it should be ingrained in to the very fabric of any culture that wishes to never be ruled by it.
Tell that to the permanently brain damaged kids (now adults) I know who all suffered their brain damage because they stood up to the bully, specifically because they were led to believe they had no alternative.
A "David vs. Goliath" type result is not the standard, it's an anomaly. And shit can end badly. Very badly.
@AntiBullshitMan This is the first video of yours that I have seen that has shown you demonstrate the common disposition of, lack of foresight and or clouded judgment. Have you had a dog in this fight?. There are already rules for harassment, threats, assault, and any and all other bully tactics. Even laws against the kids that take your milk money, racketeering or extortion. What would your anti-bullying law accomplish how would it differ from the laws currently in place?
"What would your anti-bullying law accomplish how would it differ from the laws currently in place?"
The laws you speak of don't pertain to children in some countries, only adults. If these identical laws already exist everywhere & you had no issues with them before, it's puzzling as to why you're concerned about any injustice the new ones would generate. That is, if you truly believed there is nothing different about the recently proposed ones, which lots of countries have already implemented.
@AntiBullshitMan Have you noticed how rich people that can put the most money on the scales that lady justice carries tend to have a better chance of favorable outcomes? Have you noticed rich kids with the most toys tend to be the most popular? Have you noticed that children are more prone to lie for there friends then adults? Then can you see how all this will add up? Give the power to idealism and compassion, not to system who works for those that run it.
"Give the power to idealism and compassion, not to system who works for those that run it"
Look at the actual statistics for the districts in which these laws have already been passed & you'll find that the conspiracy theory you advocate here is imaginary. But even if it was reality, you still haven't provided one single reason as to why the rich would target abusing anti-bullying laws anymore so than any other law which is still subject to the exact same corruption at the hands of the rich.
If the rich have the entire system in their back pocket, and if you're willing to use this as a means to replace anti-bullying laws with "idealism and compassion" then perhaps you should apply consistency to your viewpoint and advocate anarcho-primitivism as the replacement system. Just don't give me this crap where you selectively use the argument from corruption when arguing against laws you dislike, while ignoring the argument from corruption when arguing for laws you like.
@AntiBullshitMan The only laws there should be are those to preserve rights. Law should not be used to make others do what those in power want them to do. Your arbitrary advocation of a law that you see will correct behavior you would like changed is shortsighted and egocentric. You are so jaded and twisted you can not even see straight. Your arguments against me are very much with out any validation out side your own head. You assume too much and know too little.
"The only laws there should be are those to preserve rights"
The law in question ensures the right to not be bullied. You continue to conveniently ignore this. You're incapable of grasping an elementary "1 man's rights end where another's begin" principle. Once again you fail to provide a single reason as to why this particular law differs from the ones you endorse. You instead shift the focus by making unfounded statements about me being "egocentric". Classic ad hominem desperation here by you
@AntiBSMan Your use the same defenses over and over. You sound like a broken record.' ad hominem this, straw man that, "quote generality" this, and shifting focus that.' You really need to go thew all of your old posts for your videos and read them. Maybe you need to define what a "right " is in this context. For this simple concept can clarify a lot of issues people have with legal rights. A right is something not to be interfered with. Laws should affirm rights not dictate behavior.
Pointing out your inability to argue point for point is not a self-defense move on my part. You truly have repeatedly failed to respond to specific counterarguments & have instead resorted to personalizing the debate. This has to be repeated to you because you're yet to recognize it, or you're just simply trolling me by now.
Debate me in a live medium. I will politely go over all our exchanges & show you, post for post, how you stray from the specifics.
@AntiBSMan ok bright guy, ever think i might have a USA, proxi server so that i might watch youtube and hulu and get on the university system from abroad? Or maybe i am on a student visa? Or a recent immigrant? Or all the above so i can maintain my accounts and work when i travel back and forth? Obviously, dynamic thought, having the wisdom to admit possible mistakes and changing your static mind is not your strong point so i figured i would rub your nose in some possibilities.
You as the rightful owner of your account have the ability to change the country setting yourself. Everyone with a YT channel can do this. The fact that you willingly opt not to do so & thus have misinformation on your front page is not something that you can use to desperately score non-sequitur points with in debates.
Now either quit wasting my time with your insipid replies or come debate me live already. You will not be getting the last word.
@AntiBSMan again you know too little and assume too much. You do not understand the need for a proxi server. One can not watch hulu in much of the world, ask around. Some countries block youtube. Again i could be a student on a visa that travels. Spending most of my time in the USA, now why would i change my setting every time in travel? Do you change your stetting every time you cross over into the USA? Your logic is beyond faulty to the point of being manically ego driven....mawhaha
I know people world over who watch YT with no issues & can control their channel settings.
"time in travel"
Oh so now you're a frequent traveler to the point where changing a country setting is terribly burdensome? Crazy of me not to consider that terribly unusual circumstance, which from the sounds of it is something you made up just now in another desperate attempt to score a point which has nothing to do with the original debate. Now go away.
Laws against impaired driving "control people's behavior" but only a reckless oaf void of statistics on the matter would argue against such laws. These laws exist through the people's own will & self-interest, not because the gov't boogeyman has an agenda to control you. Such irrational paranoia.
Your inability to grasp my refutations of your earlier posts has driven you to make blanket "you know too little" assertions in a transparently dishonest attempt to discredit me instead of my arguments
@AntiBSMan Again laws should not be to control peoples behavior but to ensure peoples rights. Again you know too little. Your inability to refute this one premises has driven you to the same preprogramed deference of attacking generalities. It is a clear sign of a weak position to retreat to such games. BTW in general, the sky is blue. rain falls down, and the obscuration you are making are transparent
"Again laws should not be to control peoples behavior"
And again you're too thick to grasp that the manner in which one individual behaves can lead to the rights of another individual being tarnished.
"a clear sign of a weak position to retreat to such games"
Please debate me live you condescending little troll. I will pay you to get on camera & try to back that up with something. If you reply again & avoid addressing my challenge, you'll be ignored. Not going to keep feeding you in text.
You seem to be ignorant of the definition of "arbitrary". There is nothing arbitrary about my advocation of this law.
"You are so jaded and twisted"
"Your arguments against me are very much with out any validation out side your own head"
"You assume too much and know too little"
Would you be interested in defending any of these blanket accusations in a publicly recorded debate with me in real time? Or are you just going to continue blowing hot air?
@AntiBSMan arbitrary :based on or subject to individual discretion or preference or sometimes impulse or caprice. Tell me how your wanting this a law is not arbitrary. As to you wanting to go live? English is not my way of thinking yet. So i would be at a major disadvantage in a live debate. Maybe you would like this, maybe you just want to cyber bully me. (which you stated, you find cyber bulling ok, i wonder why). Again arbitrary and you can quote me on that too.
It's not arbitrary. It's not based on subjective individual discretion, it's based on empirical evidence demonstrating that bullying has gotten to the point of driving kids to suicide. Saying kids shouldn't have a legal right to be left alone when they've done nothing wrong is like saying they shouldn't have a legal right to be protected against drunk drivers, since both laws "control behavior".
I would not "cyber bully" you live & you know it. Another cop out. C.B. is not simple name calling.
Yes I can see that. I'll promise to talk really slow & give you plenty of time to think of counterarguments. I see based on your profile that you currently reside in the U.S. Your English can't be that bad.
Again, I promise I will not "cyber bully" you. I am incapable of it. Cyber bullying often involves organized harassment campaigns and hacking into someone's account. Being called a-philosophical does not make you a victim of cyber bullying.
Politically Correct, and Tolerance, is all nonsense. It's just another form of taking away freedoms. Sure - it sounds good in theory, but so does Communism.
The point is that if people aren't capable of just living life and understanding that people can be jerks at times, then perhaps they need to live in some other country.
50 years of Liberal politics is what has brought our country down, and now here we are at it again with all the nonsense about bullying. Please - get thicker skin.
This has nothing to do with political correctness, but even if it did, simply putting a "politically correct" stamp on something in no way proves that thing to be illogical or harmful. There are cases where PC is bullshit & there are cases where it isn't. Rejecting racism is very PC, to give an easy example.
"taking away freedoms"
No rational civilized human being believes that it is their freedom to bully someone who has done absolutely nothing to them. It pains me to have to explain this.
@AntiBullshitMan I'm not talking about losing freedoms from bullying, I'm talking about trying to regulate a persons behavior through legislative means. Do you really want a more totalitarian society? I sure don't!
"trying to regulate a persons behavior through legislative means"
Which we do all the time & without which civilization would not exist. You arbitrarily lump anti-bullying laws into a separate category from other laws you accept, all of which are subject to the exact same restriction of behaviors - behaviors proven to be equally as damaging.
"Do you really want a more totalitarian society"
Look up the definition of totalitarianism. You sound like such a typical victim of right wing propaganda
"if people aren't capable of just living life and understanding that people can be jerks at times, then perhaps they need to live in some other country"
If we're gonna do the "love it or leave it" bullshit, then I'll simply point out how it is clearly you who has a problem with the basic idea of civilization, not the majority. You're the one who ought to consider looking for an island to suit you.
@AntiBullshitMan The majority are not the ones trying to push through legislative controls for anti-bullying laws, and you know that. I understand the need for safety - I get that - and I can appreciate that. But if you start to tell people how to act and how to behave, I mean - I think even you yourself said in your video that you are opening up a can of worms that could effect others who are truly innocent of any wrong doing. It's a very slippery slope to try and legislate this. I say no.
"The majority are not the ones trying to push through legislative controls"
The majority does not oppose this, which means some are indifferent to it, while others support it. Your opposition, in the name of "freedom" no less, puts you in the minority.
"I think even you yourself said in your video that you are opening up a can of worms"
I went on to explain immediately thereafter why it still makes sense in the big picture. You'll always have someone trying to abuse a law. Any law. Happens.
@AntiBullshitMan If you start making laws to make people to behave the way you would like them to then you are no better then a despotic thug. Even if you see your self as a good or doing things to rectify your sense of fairness. Again with another Hitler analogy, i bet Hitler though he was trying to correct what he saw as wrongs too. A society that has the expectations only a law that ensure ones rights(as long as it did not sacrifices others rights), could be passed, can avoid much wrongs
Invoking a Hitler analogy when discussing anti-bullying laws, when you have STILL not demonstrated how such laws differ from the laws you do endorse, has earned your argument a spot as the most poorly thought out, myopic argument I have dealt with in well over a year.
"you are no better then a despotic thug"
You are utterly impervious to basic logic.
"Even if you see your self as a good"
It's not about me. I don't make these arguments to feel good about myself.
"it's not about me. I don't make these arguments to feel good about myself.
You a-philosophical dolt."
Such a strong reaction, is your ego in firm control again? Your are right when you say "it's not about me. I don't make these arguments to feel good about myself.", it is obvious this has become about your ego. That is the way bullies react. i bet if you where bigger you would just be a physical bully not a cyber one(which you find ok for some reason).
You are, in fact, being a-philosophical. Not a strong reaction on my part, it's just stating an obvious fact. I'm trying to make you understand why your reasoning is terribly flawed here. I do this despite knowing you could very well just be trolling me. If this screams ego to you, then look up ego as well.
"if you where bigger"
More obvious troll tactics. I've got 4 inches on the average man worldwide & weigh 200 lbs. I don't lack size/confidence & have never lost a fight.
I'll share a tidbit with you: Every single user who has ever randomly thrown Communism in a comment section to my videos (which have nothing to do with anything even remotely approaching Communism) has always been from the US. Think about that. Just stop & think about that for a sec. Are ONLY Americans enlightened to the horrors of Communism, or are they actually victims of relentless propaganda & red baiting, to the point where they start seeing the big C where it doesn't exist.
@AntiBullshitMan Maybe because a lot of Americans here in the US had family who not only spilled blood, but had their blood spilled for the freedoms we all enjoy, by fighting against that "relentless propaganda & red baiting". How insulting, dude. Did you have any family in WWII? Korea? Vietnam? If not - please don't go there with me. You can say that we were all stupid for fighting those wars, but if we hadn't - and assuming you live here - you'd be speaking German, not English.
@AntiBullshitMan The "Communism" calumny is a variant of Godwin's law. It works like this: If you try to get people to give a shit about anything, somebody will eventually call you a communist, and at that point, the debate completely ceases to address anything valid or productive, and the accuser, having resorted to the accusation, automatically loses the debate.
@TheAzov Oh Azov - not at all, but come on dude. Do we really want people telling us how to act? How to behave? Do we need to become that regulated, and not give people the ability to work through their own issues without some sort of government control? You remember my comments on Euthanasia correct? I am for less government - not more. Sorry if my take on all of this offends you guys.
@sly2kusa The example I gave from my school days was during the era when such problems were your own business - you resolved them yourself and "standing up to the bully" was a "test of character," etc. If you "allowed" yourself to be bullied it was "your own fault." But if violence is to be regulated in society, it should begin here if anywhere.
@TheAzov Yeah, but lets look at the most recent cases in the media. Was violence what lead to the deaths of those being bullied? No - it wasn't. Now - some can say (and even justify) that the actions of being exposed for a sexual exploit were worse, but how many times have we seen (even in movies for crying out loud) the outing of a sexual exploit? Most people just slither their way through their 15 minutes of XXX fame, and get on with it - not take their own life.
@sly2kusa We're getting into the murky realm of psychological violence, which is often as deadly as the physical that draws blood: a narrow definition has been the major problem with the entire issue. "Most people" is also at issue: laws must be framed so none are allowed to slip through the cracks and left dangling outside the law. Remember you're dealing with adolescents who by definition cannot look at things from an adult perspective.
@TheAzov Dude - that's my whole point. There is no way to carefully (or otherwise) craft a set of laws to regulate this kind of behavior. I'm not condoning it, nor condemning it - it's just a part of life, and people need to really just get over it.
It just happens, and believe it or not - sometimes the bullied wind up becoming friends with the bullies themselves. It's just a part of growing up, but if we give into the whims of the liberal idiots of the US, we are going to lose all freedoms.
@sly2kusa There are ways to craft laws for every circumstance - if not preventive, then penalties for doing harm. As for "freedoms," I'll concede your liberty to play big bad bully, if you'll concede my right to wait for you around a corner and whack you over the head with a plank. :D No state, no principal, no problem.
@TheAzov LOL! It's not that I have a problem with crafting laws that protect people from violent idiots. I just want to make sure we have a clear and concise distinction on what those will be. I'm just getting sick of idiots going around, claiming they had their feelings hurt. I know that emotional distress and fear can be as bad as physical, but this kid told everyone that he was gay, so getting outted for his exploits should not have been that big a deal.
@sly2kusa If you tell someone you're a Jew, and they go painting swastikas on your school locker and call you kike every time you turn around, whose fault is that?
@TheAzov That's a hate crime, and homosexuals already have legislation that protects them from such matters. Frankly, I'm sick of the whole issue. They are not a race of people - they are a lifestyle choice of people (I never have nor will ever buy that someone is born gay). People might have a tendency to lean more towards the homosexual lifestyle (Just like some are more prone towards Alcohol or Drugs), but to continue to pander to this is getting ridiculous.
I wish they had some anti-bullying laws when I was in school. I had to deal with this one guy every day for 4 years. He was constantly in my face, physically and verbally harassing me every day. I tried ignoring it for a while, which didn't work, and every time I fought him, his friends would jump in. So, instead of a fair one-on-one fight which I probably could have won, I had 5 guys beating the shit out of me. After exhausting every possible option, I eventually had to get a restraining order.
I used to be my school's anti-bully. I used to stand up for kids all the time, and since I'm like Wu-Tang (nothin' to fuck with) I used to make the bullies back down. It was one of the best feelings ever.
I think there isn't any need for any laws like this, and extreme cases fall under harassment anyway.
I don't know if I was likable or what but I managed to turn anyone that started picking on me into my friend somehow. I would have never survived had I not been able to. I'm a little dude, never been in a real fight, surprised I'm still around.
I was bullied at school, but fortunatly for me i had my own personal Chuck Norris android built, and it was programmed to come to my aid if i was in trouble.
I'd be getting bullied and robot chuck would turn up, do some roundhouse kicks and the bullys heads would fucking explode and...just everyone dead basically.
The worst form of bullying in any school is done by the teachers, and the worse form of bullying outside of the school is done by governments who force parents to pay for and send their children to these little prisons for children.
The inmates of a prison attack each other, too. Why would a school be any different?
Well said! One good thing regarding technology is more kids are able to take videos w/ camera phones etc. I think when miniature video cams are everywhere kids will have a tougher time getting away with some of the horrors they do. I think back to when I was a kid and realize many of the things Ive seen kids do and get away with back then, if they did it as an adult, they would be imprisoned for assault/battery. Hell, you can go to jail for punching someone in the arm if they pressed charges.
I agree we need some sort of laws, but their needs to be a clear line or something. If their isnt it could end up hurting the bullies victims, and getting charges put on them for self defense,bc if people like the bully they arent going to tell the principal all the cruel things the bully did just that the victim punched/ or did whatever to the bully.Even if the victim got their ass kicked in the end if they "initiated" it they will have legal problems.(other situations would hurt innocent too)
It's not really easy. A big guy 290-300 punds. If he came up to me, I would never try to fight him. In this case, I was with my girlfriend, and her friend. Because I was scared for the girls, I fought him. Since I used to be a boxer, I was not all that worried about he hurting me, but if I hurt him, I could go to jail if he pressed charges against me (and found guilty ofcoures).
@sawman85 I think that there needs to be some provisions in laws for fighting back. Yes it is hard to tell when someone isn't lying about it but hell, I got into fights in school and I fought back in some of them. If I was punished at that point by a law I probably could have been pushed over the edge into depression and maybe suicide like some of these kids are. It's a lose lose situation as far as I'm concerned. We need to figure out a way to make the best of it.
@Presenceofmemory there are laws on fighting back, it's called self defence. If you feel threatened, you can respond with equal force, or enough force to "handle" the situation.
My point was. If you are trained in fighting, the rules change. You should win, without hurting the other person. The problem is, it's not always easy to judge "in the moment" how much force to use.
Really enjoyed this video. For a man interested in "Human Rights" and the problems that go with them, I would recommend looking at Liber OZ. A quick Google and you're there. Written about 85 years ago by Aiwaz, OZ is a very terse document that states, in factual terminology, Human Rights as they operate and have operated for eternity.
I agree in that it is very hard to tell, especially for kids who have done this for a while, who is at fault. The legal system has trouble with that outside of cases of bullying. Although I would say we might want to refine our laws before we start making some drastic changes. There are a lot of old laws that really need to be taken off the books before new things can be put up. I also agree with the anti-bullying bill, but I think your right in questioning how it would be put into practice.
when these three kids jumped me and took my wallet, i ran after those bitches and managed to get my wallet back :) although i live in nyc and i'm lucky they didn't have any weapons.....but yeah i walk to school in groups now :D
99.9 percent of kids would not want to fight some chuck norris asshole yes, but 99.9 percent of the bullies out there are not some chuck norris asshole
That's a red herring seeing as how the point I'm attempting to drive home is that the cowardice line we're talking about is arbitrary. I deliberately picked an extreme example to illustrate how the "take an ass kicking > run away" principle gets thrown out the window whenever an extremely difficult opponent comes along.
A kid and any person should know to defend themselves when they are in a situation where they are unable to simply walk away from there bullies. What if you are constantly harassed by your bullies everywhere you go despite walking away from them or ignoring them? Sometimes a big punch in the nose would silenced your bullies. My bully stopped harassing me after I punched him square in the nose. It doesn't hurt to learn how to defend yourself because physical violence may be inevitable.
@Pentazoid111 "It doesn't hurt to learn how to defend yourself because physical violence may be inevitable"
I never said it does. I'm concerned for the kids who are physically incapable of defending themselves. I've seen lots of kids try to stand up for themselves and fight back. They got annihilated as a result. Happens all the time.
I already covered all of this in the video, seems like you didn't watch the whole thing.
Oh, and psychological bullying i think can take place over the internet as an extension of real life physical and mental bullying. Particularly useful perhaps for evidencing these facts.
Generally self defense in the uk is only valid if you think you are going to be assaulted. Provocation, i've heard it mentioned, may be it is a mitigator and rightly so. But we design our laws to mold the society. So I am with you, except you seem a little to ready to allow initiation of force by the bullied person.
Yeah, haven't heard anything about any proposed laws, so I'm not sure what this whole debate is about. If by "bullying", we're talking about calling someone a dummyhead or something, then fuck no, I don't want to live in the kind of society where "political correctness" destroys all intellectual capacities. If we're talking about blackmail, defamation of character, slander, etc. then I'm all for it, but aren't those things already illegal?
Isent that the US has the second amendment? But i agree that there isent a good solution and a bad one is better then no solution. Some laws should protect kids from badass bulling.
I'm all for these laws. Bullying isn't calling somebody a shithead or an asshole on occasion. It's a pattern of behavior. It doesn't have to involve physical violence. It goes on all the time in our schools. As far as I'm concerned, if these laws lead to more discussion about what is or is not bullying, that's all for the better.
There will always be people trying to abuse the laws. Such is the example where an Israeli Arab was accused of rape by a Jewish woman, who, after consensual sex, said she wouldn't have slept with him if she'd known he was an Arab. And also there are many cases of actual rape where, because of lack of physical evidence, things come down to a "he said she said situation". However, I don't see how anyone could argue that rape laws are "a double edge sward".
Also, even if "rape", as an act of violence, is easier to define than "bullying", "consent" seems to be something very debatable when it comes to applying the law. And for anyone trying to go there, no, I'm not comparing rape to bullying. I am comparing violence laws and how they are used and misused.
"There will always be people trying to abuse the laws"
I know, but I already explained why in the case of high school or elementary school, it's going to be a little more messy than with your average adult.
As for accusations of rape coming down to a he said she said, that is also a problem in the cases where rape did not actually take place, and just like with the bully stuff, I'm not saying scrap the laws because of it, I'm just saying it can happen and it sucks.
My point is that up until we come up with a sufficiently advanced technology that can read the bio-chemistry of the brain and accurately determine if people are lying or not and to what degree, there will be problems within the legal system. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do our best to formulate and apply laws against violence and abuse. I honestly don't see the utility of any argument against such laws.
"I honestly don't see the utility of any argument against such laws"
It's unfair to suggest that I argued against these laws. I said at the beginning that I can't stress enough that something needed to be done, but I also felt the need to point out how we're dealing with kids here, so it's going to be less efficient.
Merely pointing this out will not harm the cause, and you seem to be suggesting that it will. I think this is the only part we disagree on, and it's circular so I'll drop it.
@ZOMGitsCriss well too bad but that example perfectly reflects how the situation of bullying is viewed in the American society... also you need to understant that the average american bully is very impulsive and he gets pissed off really fast. i.e.: in PE soccer (high school), an idiot grabbed my hand, and all i did I said (WTF man???) and he got pissed of and he pushed me. I almosed fucked his face but the coach stopped me... BTW te iubesc si imi palc clipurile tale (check my stuff) :D
@Xelico thanks bro... it`s like I really wanted to emphasize the phyisical damage that I wished to apply to that motherfucker.... and besides, i thought it souds cool :D
13:10
but you have to admit, its fucking Chuck Norris man
SchizophrenicDelight 4 months ago
cut ur hair, lose some weight.
Th33M33 8 months ago
@Th33M33 lol...
SincereCreature 8 months ago
Oh yeah, some epic wit right there...
AntiBSMan 8 months ago
I'm sorry to say but, have you seen that episode of south Park when the new teacher replaces Mr. Garrison for the episode and the ADD kids can't stop babling and then he slaps the shit out of them "Slap! sit down and shut up (but I'm sitting) Slap! sit down and shut up! (kid sits down and shuts up)" my school was like that, and I can tell you it works well, fantastic even. The reason is the kids are extra unreasonable, and so applying reason n "laws" won't really work... not psychologically.
Ramiromasters 1 year ago
You'd think someone with hair like that would be against all forms of bullying.
MKShaggy1985 1 year ago
LOL YOU'RE VENTING
finnsia 1 year ago
mindless drivel, with no foresight on human nature and the reality of power structures.
bleatingcirclejerk 1 year ago
"mindless drivel"
Would you be interested in defending that statement in a live debate with me?
"no foresight on human nature"
You should try paying attention to what was said in the video, in which I explicitly stress humans' tendency to be assholes. We have an endless supply of naturally inclined behaviors which we successfully avoid acting out due to existing laws. Bully laws are no exception. School yard "power structures" don't override civilization. Go live in a jungle, nature lover.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
Again laws should only be made that support rights.
masluxx 1 year ago
"Again laws should only be made that support rights"
Such as the right to not be bullied & driven to the point of suicide in a civilized state. This is the very last time I'm pointing this fact out to you, you absolute obsessive troll. You insist on wasting my time by continuing to spray the same old thoughtless graffiti on my board. You've been offered multiple opportunities to have a real debate with me live & have repeatedly wormed out of accepting it. You will not waste anymore of my time.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
expectations. That is what it all boils down to. That is the only thing that keeps the powerful from completely exploiting the rest. Expectations, those things we all rights. Those things we expect not to be interfered with or else. If you allow people to expect laws from those in power, laws which sole purpose is just to make people do what they want. Your are running down a road to doom. Very unenlightened indeed.
masluxx 1 year ago
"Expectations, those things we all rights"
And you apparently believe that children who have caused no ill to others should have zero expectations to not be bullied to the point where they become suicidal. Somehow that's too high an expectation, removed from the ones you are on board with. For the 100th time, explain why you make the random exception. You haven't explained this so far because:
A. You can't.
B. You enjoy all the ongoing attention I've been giving you.
Live debate or go away.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
@AntiBSMan Again, what would your law do that current laws do not. Your melodramatic arguments aside you have not given one shred of logical or reasoned support for your own assumptions, all you have done is tried to disproof a counter argument i have made and have failed miserably.
masluxx 1 year ago
"Your melodramatic arguments"
Being assertive & rightly calling you on your endless streams of bullshit does not make my argument "melodramatic". Look up the word.
The rest of your post is, again, just empty rhetoric. I've made zero assumptions. Kids are actually being driven to commit suicide over being bullied. The evidence for this is overwhelming. If you truly believed that I am incapable of a single shred of logic to support my "assumptions", then you'd have no issues debating me live.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
Sad, dude, i backed you up several times in some of your previous videos. Now i find you have a set of beliefs that can not be challenged with logic or reason. That you can not see any possibilities other then what you want to see. That you have in effect created your own religion. ./shakes his head/. Back on point. what would your anti-bulling law do that is not covered by current laws that should be done? Other then to create more victim's mentality and more whinny ars punks.
masluxx 1 year ago
"what would your anti-bulling law do that is not covered by current laws"
Children are not subject to the harassment laws you're thinking of. You have already asked this question before & I have already answered it. In typical fashion you divert from following up to my answer, only to ask the same question again days later, making me repeat my answer. The rest of your post is just more baseless huffing & puffing. Oh I have my own religion now? How very original of you & not at all cliche mush.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
@AntiBSMan "Children are not subject to the harassment laws you're thinking of.",
Well in the USA they have the 14th amendment, which guaranties equal protection under the law for all peoples. The USA the first secular government, with a constitution written by enlighten men. The same constitution and enlightenment that is threaten by people such as your self, They have hundreds of quotes speeches and papers warring of the path you are on.
masluxx 1 year ago
"14th amendment, which guaranties equal protection"
No child faces legal action over bullying someone in a school setting unless a specific anti-bullying law is in effect pertaining to the school.
"constitution written by enlighten men"
They were slave owners & sexist religious nutjobs, amongst other things. They wrote a document with the intention of it being self-interest of the rich. The world has changed a bit since 1776 & the constitution has been amended times over.
Yank-in-training.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
Drugs are bad....
claudia1love 1 year ago
+ 1 sub
HatemailMagnet 1 year ago
You're fudging. Hate is hate, and bullying is bullying. Being a Jew is also a "lifestyle choice." You can always convert to Pentecostalism, or become an atheist, or just keep your religion in the closet. Laissez-faire in this regard only benefits the bully - just as the "free market" only benefits the rich. So I do see the logic in your argument. :D
TheAzov 1 year ago
Bully - Someone whom society favors because he exhibits selfish, cruel, extroverted genes which will enable to him to successfully negotiate the adult world. Society pretends to hate him, but does nothing, as if we approve of his behavior. Contrary to popular belief, bullies sometimes ARE successful later in life, while their victims are not. After all, it is strength humans value and strength that rules us.
Fleursdelily 1 year ago
zomgitscriss said it`s you birthday man, so happy birthday, have whatever i wish you: money & women...the rest of the shit will come by itself and you know it !
dragonsword343 1 year ago
happy bday! i do what i'm told ;)
dragonkiss131 1 year ago
There was a good 80s teen semi-comedy film on this very subject, raising a lot of these issues, called "Three O'Clock High." Anyone remember this?
TheAzov 1 year ago
I can wish you a happy BD without being a gitsCriss zombie. :D
Here's my 2 centavos on the topic, drawn from my experience, take it what it's worth. A hulking assclown was fucking with me in 8th grade, so I told my father one morning I was going to be kicked out of school before the day was over. That morning I walked up to said a-clown and hit him up the side of the head. Before it got too seious the teacher intervened - for once! - and I was expelled, on cue. Which leads me to --->
TheAzov 1 year ago
<------------ Perhaps the most effective way is a combination tactic: appeal to the authorities first, make them aware of the problem; and if real mutilating violence is threatened, then self-defense can't be argued with. As for those who find it difficult to fight back - there's no ideal solution, and I won't type what I'm thinking, but Gandhi did say that violence is preferable to submitting to injustice. Let your conscience be your guide.
TheAzov 1 year ago
Happy Birthday. I have been bullied my whole life, and it is good to hear the subject addressed realistically. Thanks.
a11m0n 1 year ago
wishing you a happy birthday because zomgitscriss said so
phenomwon 1 year ago
Happy Birthday!!!
HEAVYWATER23 1 year ago
I think your opinion on this point is moot. there will always be bullies and victims, but at least we should try to punish/stop the bullies. a teacher cant stop a bully if they dont have legal backup
doutonight 1 year ago
@doutonight
Did you watch the video? I'm all for trying to punish/stop the bullies & I repeatedly said that I endorse the laws in question, despite the potential issues I outlined in addition to that.
Also, just like when a teacher can punish anyone for talking during an exam, a teacher can also punish a bully without there being an official law backing it. The official law just makes the extreme cases easier to handle and will hopefully create some deterrence.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
great, balanced video. there is too much hypersensitivity round these parts, funny how the people who cry about that stuff seem to be pretty ready and able to go on the offensive when it suits them tho.
overall, it is a good idea but yea it may be real effin hard to differentiate between legitimate bullying and simple tit for tat playground shit. we shall see....
oojamaflipper 1 year ago
About getting your "butt kick" and why it is good. Two people i know you heard of understood how this works very well, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, Martin Luther King. I have watched a few of your videos and i know you to be very insightful. With those two in mind, think of this. One should stand up to any form of tyranny or injustice even if they will get there "butts kick" it should be ingrained in to the very fabric of any culture that wishes to never be ruled by it.
masluxx 1 year ago
@masluxx
Tell that to the permanently brain damaged kids (now adults) I know who all suffered their brain damage because they stood up to the bully, specifically because they were led to believe they had no alternative.
A "David vs. Goliath" type result is not the standard, it's an anomaly. And shit can end badly. Very badly.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan This is the first video of yours that I have seen that has shown you demonstrate the common disposition of, lack of foresight and or clouded judgment. Have you had a dog in this fight?. There are already rules for harassment, threats, assault, and any and all other bully tactics. Even laws against the kids that take your milk money, racketeering or extortion. What would your anti-bullying law accomplish how would it differ from the laws currently in place?
masluxx 1 year ago
"What would your anti-bullying law accomplish how would it differ from the laws currently in place?"
The laws you speak of don't pertain to children in some countries, only adults. If these identical laws already exist everywhere & you had no issues with them before, it's puzzling as to why you're concerned about any injustice the new ones would generate. That is, if you truly believed there is nothing different about the recently proposed ones, which lots of countries have already implemented.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago 4
@AntiBullshitMan Have you noticed how rich people that can put the most money on the scales that lady justice carries tend to have a better chance of favorable outcomes? Have you noticed rich kids with the most toys tend to be the most popular? Have you noticed that children are more prone to lie for there friends then adults? Then can you see how all this will add up? Give the power to idealism and compassion, not to system who works for those that run it.
masluxx 1 year ago
"Give the power to idealism and compassion, not to system who works for those that run it"
Look at the actual statistics for the districts in which these laws have already been passed & you'll find that the conspiracy theory you advocate here is imaginary. But even if it was reality, you still haven't provided one single reason as to why the rich would target abusing anti-bullying laws anymore so than any other law which is still subject to the exact same corruption at the hands of the rich.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
If the rich have the entire system in their back pocket, and if you're willing to use this as a means to replace anti-bullying laws with "idealism and compassion" then perhaps you should apply consistency to your viewpoint and advocate anarcho-primitivism as the replacement system. Just don't give me this crap where you selectively use the argument from corruption when arguing against laws you dislike, while ignoring the argument from corruption when arguing for laws you like.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan The only laws there should be are those to preserve rights. Law should not be used to make others do what those in power want them to do. Your arbitrary advocation of a law that you see will correct behavior you would like changed is shortsighted and egocentric. You are so jaded and twisted you can not even see straight. Your arguments against me are very much with out any validation out side your own head. You assume too much and know too little.
masluxx 1 year ago
"The only laws there should be are those to preserve rights"
The law in question ensures the right to not be bullied. You continue to conveniently ignore this. You're incapable of grasping an elementary "1 man's rights end where another's begin" principle. Once again you fail to provide a single reason as to why this particular law differs from the ones you endorse. You instead shift the focus by making unfounded statements about me being "egocentric". Classic ad hominem desperation here by you
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
@AntiBSMan Your use the same defenses over and over. You sound like a broken record.' ad hominem this, straw man that, "quote generality" this, and shifting focus that.' You really need to go thew all of your old posts for your videos and read them. Maybe you need to define what a "right " is in this context. For this simple concept can clarify a lot of issues people have with legal rights. A right is something not to be interfered with. Laws should affirm rights not dictate behavior.
masluxx 1 year ago
"use the same defenses over and over"
Pointing out your inability to argue point for point is not a self-defense move on my part. You truly have repeatedly failed to respond to specific counterarguments & have instead resorted to personalizing the debate. This has to be repeated to you because you're yet to recognize it, or you're just simply trolling me by now.
Debate me in a live medium. I will politely go over all our exchanges & show you, post for post, how you stray from the specifics.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
@AntiBSMan ok bright guy, ever think i might have a USA, proxi server so that i might watch youtube and hulu and get on the university system from abroad? Or maybe i am on a student visa? Or a recent immigrant? Or all the above so i can maintain my accounts and work when i travel back and forth? Obviously, dynamic thought, having the wisdom to admit possible mistakes and changing your static mind is not your strong point so i figured i would rub your nose in some possibilities.
masluxx 1 year ago
"ever think i might have a USA, proxi server"
You as the rightful owner of your account have the ability to change the country setting yourself. Everyone with a YT channel can do this. The fact that you willingly opt not to do so & thus have misinformation on your front page is not something that you can use to desperately score non-sequitur points with in debates.
Now either quit wasting my time with your insipid replies or come debate me live already. You will not be getting the last word.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
@AntiBSMan again you know too little and assume too much. You do not understand the need for a proxi server. One can not watch hulu in much of the world, ask around. Some countries block youtube. Again i could be a student on a visa that travels. Spending most of my time in the USA, now why would i change my setting every time in travel? Do you change your stetting every time you cross over into the USA? Your logic is beyond faulty to the point of being manically ego driven....mawhaha
masluxx 1 year ago
"mawhaha"
Keep solidifying your troll status.
I know people world over who watch YT with no issues & can control their channel settings.
"time in travel"
Oh so now you're a frequent traveler to the point where changing a country setting is terribly burdensome? Crazy of me not to consider that terribly unusual circumstance, which from the sounds of it is something you made up just now in another desperate attempt to score a point which has nothing to do with the original debate. Now go away.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
Laws against impaired driving "control people's behavior" but only a reckless oaf void of statistics on the matter would argue against such laws. These laws exist through the people's own will & self-interest, not because the gov't boogeyman has an agenda to control you. Such irrational paranoia.
Your inability to grasp my refutations of your earlier posts has driven you to make blanket "you know too little" assertions in a transparently dishonest attempt to discredit me instead of my arguments
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
@AntiBSMan Again laws should not be to control peoples behavior but to ensure peoples rights. Again you know too little. Your inability to refute this one premises has driven you to the same preprogramed deference of attacking generalities. It is a clear sign of a weak position to retreat to such games. BTW in general, the sky is blue. rain falls down, and the obscuration you are making are transparent
masluxx 1 year ago
"Again laws should not be to control peoples behavior"
And again you're too thick to grasp that the manner in which one individual behaves can lead to the rights of another individual being tarnished.
"a clear sign of a weak position to retreat to such games"
Please debate me live you condescending little troll. I will pay you to get on camera & try to back that up with something. If you reply again & avoid addressing my challenge, you'll be ignored. Not going to keep feeding you in text.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
"Your arbitrary advocation of a law"
You seem to be ignorant of the definition of "arbitrary". There is nothing arbitrary about my advocation of this law.
"You are so jaded and twisted"
"Your arguments against me are very much with out any validation out side your own head"
"You assume too much and know too little"
Would you be interested in defending any of these blanket accusations in a publicly recorded debate with me in real time? Or are you just going to continue blowing hot air?
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
@AntiBSMan arbitrary :based on or subject to individual discretion or preference or sometimes impulse or caprice. Tell me how your wanting this a law is not arbitrary. As to you wanting to go live? English is not my way of thinking yet. So i would be at a major disadvantage in a live debate. Maybe you would like this, maybe you just want to cyber bully me. (which you stated, you find cyber bulling ok, i wonder why). Again arbitrary and you can quote me on that too.
masluxx 1 year ago
It's not arbitrary. It's not based on subjective individual discretion, it's based on empirical evidence demonstrating that bullying has gotten to the point of driving kids to suicide. Saying kids shouldn't have a legal right to be left alone when they've done nothing wrong is like saying they shouldn't have a legal right to be protected against drunk drivers, since both laws "control behavior".
I would not "cyber bully" you live & you know it. Another cop out. C.B. is not simple name calling.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
"English is not my way of thinking yet"
Yes I can see that. I'll promise to talk really slow & give you plenty of time to think of counterarguments. I see based on your profile that you currently reside in the U.S. Your English can't be that bad.
Again, I promise I will not "cyber bully" you. I am incapable of it. Cyber bullying often involves organized harassment campaigns and hacking into someone's account. Being called a-philosophical does not make you a victim of cyber bullying.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
Well stated and you're right about the lack of middle grounders. They seem to be disappearing everywhere, not just the internet.
alaskafido 1 year ago
Politically Correct, and Tolerance, is all nonsense. It's just another form of taking away freedoms. Sure - it sounds good in theory, but so does Communism.
The point is that if people aren't capable of just living life and understanding that people can be jerks at times, then perhaps they need to live in some other country.
50 years of Liberal politics is what has brought our country down, and now here we are at it again with all the nonsense about bullying. Please - get thicker skin.
sly2kusa 1 year ago
This has nothing to do with political correctness, but even if it did, simply putting a "politically correct" stamp on something in no way proves that thing to be illogical or harmful. There are cases where PC is bullshit & there are cases where it isn't. Rejecting racism is very PC, to give an easy example.
"taking away freedoms"
No rational civilized human being believes that it is their freedom to bully someone who has done absolutely nothing to them. It pains me to have to explain this.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago 17
@AntiBullshitMan I'm not talking about losing freedoms from bullying, I'm talking about trying to regulate a persons behavior through legislative means. Do you really want a more totalitarian society? I sure don't!
sly2kusa 1 year ago
"trying to regulate a persons behavior through legislative means"
Which we do all the time & without which civilization would not exist. You arbitrarily lump anti-bullying laws into a separate category from other laws you accept, all of which are subject to the exact same restriction of behaviors - behaviors proven to be equally as damaging.
"Do you really want a more totalitarian society"
Look up the definition of totalitarianism. You sound like such a typical victim of right wing propaganda
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago 3
"if people aren't capable of just living life and understanding that people can be jerks at times, then perhaps they need to live in some other country"
If we're gonna do the "love it or leave it" bullshit, then I'll simply point out how it is clearly you who has a problem with the basic idea of civilization, not the majority. You're the one who ought to consider looking for an island to suit you.
"50 years of Liberal politics"
Observe: watch?v=zU7lGbPcukY
Thick skin, & even thicker skulls.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago 3
@AntiBullshitMan The majority are not the ones trying to push through legislative controls for anti-bullying laws, and you know that. I understand the need for safety - I get that - and I can appreciate that. But if you start to tell people how to act and how to behave, I mean - I think even you yourself said in your video that you are opening up a can of worms that could effect others who are truly innocent of any wrong doing. It's a very slippery slope to try and legislate this. I say no.
sly2kusa 1 year ago
"The majority are not the ones trying to push through legislative controls"
The majority does not oppose this, which means some are indifferent to it, while others support it. Your opposition, in the name of "freedom" no less, puts you in the minority.
"I think even you yourself said in your video that you are opening up a can of worms"
I went on to explain immediately thereafter why it still makes sense in the big picture. You'll always have someone trying to abuse a law. Any law. Happens.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago 4
@AntiBullshitMan If you start making laws to make people to behave the way you would like them to then you are no better then a despotic thug. Even if you see your self as a good or doing things to rectify your sense of fairness. Again with another Hitler analogy, i bet Hitler though he was trying to correct what he saw as wrongs too. A society that has the expectations only a law that ensure ones rights(as long as it did not sacrifices others rights), could be passed, can avoid much wrongs
masluxx 1 year ago
Invoking a Hitler analogy when discussing anti-bullying laws, when you have STILL not demonstrated how such laws differ from the laws you do endorse, has earned your argument a spot as the most poorly thought out, myopic argument I have dealt with in well over a year.
"you are no better then a despotic thug"
You are utterly impervious to basic logic.
"Even if you see your self as a good"
It's not about me. I don't make these arguments to feel good about myself.
You a-philosophical dolt.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
@AntiBSMan
"it's not about me. I don't make these arguments to feel good about myself.
You a-philosophical dolt."
Such a strong reaction, is your ego in firm control again? Your are right when you say "it's not about me. I don't make these arguments to feel good about myself.", it is obvious this has become about your ego. That is the way bullies react. i bet if you where bigger you would just be a physical bully not a cyber one(which you find ok for some reason).
masluxx 1 year ago
"strong reaction"
You are, in fact, being a-philosophical. Not a strong reaction on my part, it's just stating an obvious fact. I'm trying to make you understand why your reasoning is terribly flawed here. I do this despite knowing you could very well just be trolling me. If this screams ego to you, then look up ego as well.
"if you where bigger"
More obvious troll tactics. I've got 4 inches on the average man worldwide & weigh 200 lbs. I don't lack size/confidence & have never lost a fight.
AntiBSMan 1 year ago
"Communism"
I'll share a tidbit with you: Every single user who has ever randomly thrown Communism in a comment section to my videos (which have nothing to do with anything even remotely approaching Communism) has always been from the US. Think about that. Just stop & think about that for a sec. Are ONLY Americans enlightened to the horrors of Communism, or are they actually victims of relentless propaganda & red baiting, to the point where they start seeing the big C where it doesn't exist.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago 21
@AntiBullshitMan Maybe because a lot of Americans here in the US had family who not only spilled blood, but had their blood spilled for the freedoms we all enjoy, by fighting against that "relentless propaganda & red baiting". How insulting, dude. Did you have any family in WWII? Korea? Vietnam? If not - please don't go there with me. You can say that we were all stupid for fighting those wars, but if we hadn't - and assuming you live here - you'd be speaking German, not English.
sly2kusa 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan The "Communism" calumny is a variant of Godwin's law. It works like this: If you try to get people to give a shit about anything, somebody will eventually call you a communist, and at that point, the debate completely ceases to address anything valid or productive, and the accuser, having resorted to the accusation, automatically loses the debate.
Dave83C 1 year ago 5
@sly2kusa Obviously you're a fan of lynching. As long as it's not your neck, of course.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov Oh Azov - not at all, but come on dude. Do we really want people telling us how to act? How to behave? Do we need to become that regulated, and not give people the ability to work through their own issues without some sort of government control? You remember my comments on Euthanasia correct? I am for less government - not more. Sorry if my take on all of this offends you guys.
sly2kusa 1 year ago
@sly2kusa The example I gave from my school days was during the era when such problems were your own business - you resolved them yourself and "standing up to the bully" was a "test of character," etc. If you "allowed" yourself to be bullied it was "your own fault." But if violence is to be regulated in society, it should begin here if anywhere.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov Yeah, but lets look at the most recent cases in the media. Was violence what lead to the deaths of those being bullied? No - it wasn't. Now - some can say (and even justify) that the actions of being exposed for a sexual exploit were worse, but how many times have we seen (even in movies for crying out loud) the outing of a sexual exploit? Most people just slither their way through their 15 minutes of XXX fame, and get on with it - not take their own life.
sly2kusa 1 year ago
@sly2kusa We're getting into the murky realm of psychological violence, which is often as deadly as the physical that draws blood: a narrow definition has been the major problem with the entire issue. "Most people" is also at issue: laws must be framed so none are allowed to slip through the cracks and left dangling outside the law. Remember you're dealing with adolescents who by definition cannot look at things from an adult perspective.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov Dude - that's my whole point. There is no way to carefully (or otherwise) craft a set of laws to regulate this kind of behavior. I'm not condoning it, nor condemning it - it's just a part of life, and people need to really just get over it.
It just happens, and believe it or not - sometimes the bullied wind up becoming friends with the bullies themselves. It's just a part of growing up, but if we give into the whims of the liberal idiots of the US, we are going to lose all freedoms.
sly2kusa 1 year ago
@sly2kusa There are ways to craft laws for every circumstance - if not preventive, then penalties for doing harm. As for "freedoms," I'll concede your liberty to play big bad bully, if you'll concede my right to wait for you around a corner and whack you over the head with a plank. :D No state, no principal, no problem.
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov LOL! It's not that I have a problem with crafting laws that protect people from violent idiots. I just want to make sure we have a clear and concise distinction on what those will be. I'm just getting sick of idiots going around, claiming they had their feelings hurt. I know that emotional distress and fear can be as bad as physical, but this kid told everyone that he was gay, so getting outted for his exploits should not have been that big a deal.
sly2kusa 1 year ago
@sly2kusa If you tell someone you're a Jew, and they go painting swastikas on your school locker and call you kike every time you turn around, whose fault is that?
TheAzov 1 year ago
@TheAzov That's a hate crime, and homosexuals already have legislation that protects them from such matters. Frankly, I'm sick of the whole issue. They are not a race of people - they are a lifestyle choice of people (I never have nor will ever buy that someone is born gay). People might have a tendency to lean more towards the homosexual lifestyle (Just like some are more prone towards Alcohol or Drugs), but to continue to pander to this is getting ridiculous.
sly2kusa 1 year ago
Old learning from the young.Very intelligent!
TheUnconvertible 1 year ago
Woud you say its ALL about the he said she said bullshit? What if they keep letting shit slip? Should they leave with a fat lip? :p
I'm not sure if you intended it, but I had to go watch a limp bizkit vid after I heard that line... which I haven't said in a long time haha
k1dpresentable 1 year ago
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TheUnconvertible 1 year ago
I wish they had some anti-bullying laws when I was in school. I had to deal with this one guy every day for 4 years. He was constantly in my face, physically and verbally harassing me every day. I tried ignoring it for a while, which didn't work, and every time I fought him, his friends would jump in. So, instead of a fair one-on-one fight which I probably could have won, I had 5 guys beating the shit out of me. After exhausting every possible option, I eventually had to get a restraining order.
onthefly1zero9 1 year ago
I used to be my school's anti-bully. I used to stand up for kids all the time, and since I'm like Wu-Tang (nothin' to fuck with) I used to make the bullies back down. It was one of the best feelings ever.
I think there isn't any need for any laws like this, and extreme cases fall under harassment anyway.
equallyeasilyfuqyou 1 year ago
Get a friggin haircut!
dirtyboy830 1 year ago
I don't know if I was likable or what but I managed to turn anyone that started picking on me into my friend somehow. I would have never survived had I not been able to. I'm a little dude, never been in a real fight, surprised I'm still around.
Dogstolmychi 1 year ago
I was bullied at school, but fortunatly for me i had my own personal Chuck Norris android built, and it was programmed to come to my aid if i was in trouble.
I'd be getting bullied and robot chuck would turn up, do some roundhouse kicks and the bullys heads would fucking explode and...just everyone dead basically.
Pretty useful.
MDEMONIC689 1 year ago
The worst form of bullying in any school is done by the teachers, and the worse form of bullying outside of the school is done by governments who force parents to pay for and send their children to these little prisons for children.
The inmates of a prison attack each other, too. Why would a school be any different?
somecomputergeek 1 year ago
Well said! One good thing regarding technology is more kids are able to take videos w/ camera phones etc. I think when miniature video cams are everywhere kids will have a tougher time getting away with some of the horrors they do. I think back to when I was a kid and realize many of the things Ive seen kids do and get away with back then, if they did it as an adult, they would be imprisoned for assault/battery. Hell, you can go to jail for punching someone in the arm if they pressed charges.
trick0171 1 year ago 2
I know only one thing that stopped bullying. That was when some kid killed half of the people in his school and himself with a gun!
Painfulldarksoul 1 year ago
I agree we need some sort of laws, but their needs to be a clear line or something. If their isnt it could end up hurting the bullies victims, and getting charges put on them for self defense,bc if people like the bully they arent going to tell the principal all the cruel things the bully did just that the victim punched/ or did whatever to the bully.Even if the victim got their ass kicked in the end if they "initiated" it they will have legal problems.(other situations would hurt innocent too)
mydoggotshavedtoday 1 year ago
Teach kids to stick up for those weaker ones being bullied, Instead of just spectating...
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 year ago
lol chuck norris asshole..
Yeah, parents are fucking up.. so are the schools..
kids are becoming violent because of this.. and others stay effected their whole lives.. others shoot up schools..
i agree with your video, i do believe these things need to be better regulated
i would like to make the bullies go sit in the corner.. lol. chain them to the damn wall.
:S i mean trying and get them to change but using the same method they use on others.. that would be interesting.. i think.
GravDiga 1 year ago
cyber bullying is a legitimate term. Hello
tonypiecuzpan 1 year ago
It's not really easy. A big guy 290-300 punds. If he came up to me, I would never try to fight him. In this case, I was with my girlfriend, and her friend. Because I was scared for the girls, I fought him. Since I used to be a boxer, I was not all that worried about he hurting me, but if I hurt him, I could go to jail if he pressed charges against me (and found guilty ofcoures).
sawman85 1 year ago
@sawman85 I think that there needs to be some provisions in laws for fighting back. Yes it is hard to tell when someone isn't lying about it but hell, I got into fights in school and I fought back in some of them. If I was punished at that point by a law I probably could have been pushed over the edge into depression and maybe suicide like some of these kids are. It's a lose lose situation as far as I'm concerned. We need to figure out a way to make the best of it.
Presenceofmemory 1 year ago
@Presenceofmemory there are laws on fighting back, it's called self defence. If you feel threatened, you can respond with equal force, or enough force to "handle" the situation.
My point was. If you are trained in fighting, the rules change. You should win, without hurting the other person. The problem is, it's not always easy to judge "in the moment" how much force to use.
sawman85 1 year ago
Really enjoyed this video. For a man interested in "Human Rights" and the problems that go with them, I would recommend looking at Liber OZ. A quick Google and you're there. Written about 85 years ago by Aiwaz, OZ is a very terse document that states, in factual terminology, Human Rights as they operate and have operated for eternity.
Liber OZ... check it out.
Pax
ThotherBrother 1 year ago
I agree in that it is very hard to tell, especially for kids who have done this for a while, who is at fault. The legal system has trouble with that outside of cases of bullying. Although I would say we might want to refine our laws before we start making some drastic changes. There are a lot of old laws that really need to be taken off the books before new things can be put up. I also agree with the anti-bullying bill, but I think your right in questioning how it would be put into practice.
Presenceofmemory 1 year ago
when these three kids jumped me and took my wallet, i ran after those bitches and managed to get my wallet back :) although i live in nyc and i'm lucky they didn't have any weapons.....but yeah i walk to school in groups now :D
uiluj13 1 year ago
99.9 percent of kids would not want to fight some chuck norris asshole yes, but 99.9 percent of the bullies out there are not some chuck norris asshole
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111
That's a red herring seeing as how the point I'm attempting to drive home is that the cowardice line we're talking about is arbitrary. I deliberately picked an extreme example to illustrate how the "take an ass kicking > run away" principle gets thrown out the window whenever an extremely difficult opponent comes along.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago 6
A kid and any person should know to defend themselves when they are in a situation where they are unable to simply walk away from there bullies. What if you are constantly harassed by your bullies everywhere you go despite walking away from them or ignoring them? Sometimes a big punch in the nose would silenced your bullies. My bully stopped harassing me after I punched him square in the nose. It doesn't hurt to learn how to defend yourself because physical violence may be inevitable.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111 "It doesn't hurt to learn how to defend yourself because physical violence may be inevitable"
I never said it does. I'm concerned for the kids who are physically incapable of defending themselves. I've seen lots of kids try to stand up for themselves and fight back. They got annihilated as a result. Happens all the time.
I already covered all of this in the video, seems like you didn't watch the whole thing.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago 6
@AntiBullshitMan
Those kids should pay bigger kids to be their body gaurd
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 year ago
i disagree... partially
i agree that there should be consequences.. but not legal shit.. they are still kids
bla34112 1 year ago
Oh, and psychological bullying i think can take place over the internet as an extension of real life physical and mental bullying. Particularly useful perhaps for evidencing these facts.
Hythloday71 1 year ago
Generally self defense in the uk is only valid if you think you are going to be assaulted. Provocation, i've heard it mentioned, may be it is a mitigator and rightly so. But we design our laws to mold the society. So I am with you, except you seem a little to ready to allow initiation of force by the bullied person.
Hythloday71 1 year ago
Yeah, haven't heard anything about any proposed laws, so I'm not sure what this whole debate is about. If by "bullying", we're talking about calling someone a dummyhead or something, then fuck no, I don't want to live in the kind of society where "political correctness" destroys all intellectual capacities. If we're talking about blackmail, defamation of character, slander, etc. then I'm all for it, but aren't those things already illegal?
arknihil 1 year ago
Isent that the US has the second amendment? But i agree that there isent a good solution and a bad one is better then no solution. Some laws should protect kids from badass bulling.
Uhmu45 1 year ago
I'm all for these laws. Bullying isn't calling somebody a shithead or an asshole on occasion. It's a pattern of behavior. It doesn't have to involve physical violence. It goes on all the time in our schools. As far as I'm concerned, if these laws lead to more discussion about what is or is not bullying, that's all for the better.
Ramiiam 1 year ago 12
@Ramiiam
Time for a Rami video, perhaps?
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
Cyber bullying is trolling
GogoGGK 1 year ago
Cyber bullying is not a thing, unless you know the bullies in real life (in which case it's simply bullying).
tgseason12 1 year ago
There will always be people trying to abuse the laws. Such is the example where an Israeli Arab was accused of rape by a Jewish woman, who, after consensual sex, said she wouldn't have slept with him if she'd known he was an Arab. And also there are many cases of actual rape where, because of lack of physical evidence, things come down to a "he said she said situation". However, I don't see how anyone could argue that rape laws are "a double edge sward".
ZOMGitsCriss 1 year ago 16
@ZOMGitsCriss
Also, even if "rape", as an act of violence, is easier to define than "bullying", "consent" seems to be something very debatable when it comes to applying the law. And for anyone trying to go there, no, I'm not comparing rape to bullying. I am comparing violence laws and how they are used and misused.
ZOMGitsCriss 1 year ago
@ZOMGitsCriss
"There will always be people trying to abuse the laws"
I know, but I already explained why in the case of high school or elementary school, it's going to be a little more messy than with your average adult.
As for accusations of rape coming down to a he said she said, that is also a problem in the cases where rape did not actually take place, and just like with the bully stuff, I'm not saying scrap the laws because of it, I'm just saying it can happen and it sucks.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan
My point is that up until we come up with a sufficiently advanced technology that can read the bio-chemistry of the brain and accurately determine if people are lying or not and to what degree, there will be problems within the legal system. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do our best to formulate and apply laws against violence and abuse. I honestly don't see the utility of any argument against such laws.
ZOMGitsCriss 1 year ago 2
"I honestly don't see the utility of any argument against such laws"
It's unfair to suggest that I argued against these laws. I said at the beginning that I can't stress enough that something needed to be done, but I also felt the need to point out how we're dealing with kids here, so it's going to be less efficient.
Merely pointing this out will not harm the cause, and you seem to be suggesting that it will. I think this is the only part we disagree on, and it's circular so I'll drop it.
AntiBullshitMan 1 year ago
@AntiBullshitMan
BAH!
ZOMGitsCriss 1 year ago
@ZOMGitsCriss well too bad but that example perfectly reflects how the situation of bullying is viewed in the American society... also you need to understant that the average american bully is very impulsive and he gets pissed off really fast. i.e.: in PE soccer (high school), an idiot grabbed my hand, and all i did I said (WTF man???) and he got pissed of and he pushed me. I almosed fucked his face but the coach stopped me... BTW te iubesc si imi palc clipurile tale (check my stuff) :D
dragonsword343 1 year ago
@dragonsword343 ROFLMAO. You almost what?!? I know what you meant to say, but damn that's a gnarly typo. He almost fucked his face XD
Xelico 1 year ago
@Xelico thanks bro... it`s like I really wanted to emphasize the phyisical damage that I wished to apply to that motherfucker.... and besides, i thought it souds cool :D
dragonsword343 1 year ago
first x]
Kerdex 1 year ago
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