Talk Radio Update 3/10/2007 - The Facts About Plame-Gate

[skill13815]

First of all, she was still a covert operative at the time of her compromisation. There's a vid here on youtube showing proof of this on c-span.

regardless of when Wilsons piece was publicized. Before the state of the union address, the CIA reportedly urged the speech writers to remove the yellow cake info.

[UTubeTalkRadio]

So what? Bush was quoting "British Intelligence." Also, her civil suit was thrown out. She and her husband are nothing more than political hacks, that's the bottom line.

[skill13815]

So what? You said, "you would agree with [your friend] totally if his facts were straight" Yet yours arent? A bit hypocritical imo, sir. You said she wasnt covert when she was. Well done

Secondly Bush quotes British intelligence to support his argument, yet he ignores the urges of his own CIA that are discrediting British intelligence and goes ahead and misleads the American people. You dont see a problem with that?

[UTubeTalkRadio]

The media mislead people, not Bush. I wrote an article a year before we went into Iraq saying this would be a 10 year project according to what the administrations goal was.

You want America to fail, that's the bottom line. It's people like you that caused 3 million Cambodians and a million Vietnamese to be slaughtered! I hope God can forgive you and your ilk for what happens in Iraq if we're forced to leave before the job is done.

[skill13815]

You ignored almost everything I just said because you couldnt dispute it, and then changed the subject to make some random, baseless generalization about me and people like me. Again, well done. I said how Bush mislead people using data (the 16 words). All you said was, "the media mislead people" without describing how.

Care to comment about the hypocrisy of disagreeing with someone due to their facts being wrong when your "facts" are wrong as well? Didnt think so.

[UTubeTalkRadio]

I ignored it because it was baseless! Good Lord you're a dim bulb. Show me the indictments!!! Oh yeah, there were NONE! That's the fact. Live with it and get over it. Civil suit? Thrown out! This is over and old news.

[skill13815]

You disagreed with someone because their facts were wrong. Fact. Your "facts" ended up being wrong. That's my main point, pointing out your hypocrisy. Call it baseless, but it's 100% true. You based your opinion on incorrect information.

[UTubeTalkRadio]

That's just it, my facts are correct. That's why they're "facts." You just don't like the facts.

What is it you want? Bush's head on a platter? Plame is a fraud and her husband's behaviour borders on traitorous. If you should be mad at anyone it's Joe Wilson and Dick Armitage. They're the ones that actually "leaked" this.

Also, I apologize for calling you a dim bulb. I shouldn't have resorted to name calling.

[skill13815]

Well you said she wasnt covert at the time of the leak and it was proven that she was on C-span (there's a vid here on youtube that showed the event). That's an incorrect fact.

Anyway, like you said we probably wont agree on this so, it's been fun. Peace for now.

[szampon]

the funniest question asked was about PROTECTION OF CIA MEMBERS FROM AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. i think it should be expanded. how to protect america and the world from neocon powered white house?

[UTubeTalkRadio]

Show up and vote, that's how.

[avatar723]

Can you explain to me why Libby had to lie if NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED?

Also, do you think the Bush administration has "brought honor and integrity back to the Whitehouse"?

[UTubeTalkRadio]

You'd have to ask Fitzgerald, since his only indictment was for a process crime.

[rickindavis]

The CIA made the criminal referral to the Justice Department in this matter. Why would they do that if Valerie Plame Wilson had not been a covert agent? There certainly would be no criminal referral for outing a NON-covert agent.

You pulled your "facts" out of your ass...

[UTubeTalkRadio]

There is a difference between covert and undercover. Also, I stand by my facts. Plame herself stated she wasn't sure of her status at the time. Also, if I'm so wrong why wasn't there an indictment? Fitzgerald found no crime had been committed, that's why.

[nothankyoumam]

I think your facts are wrong. Please back them up. Ms. Plame Wilson just testified under oath before Congress countering some of the claims you've made here. Where did your get your 'facts'?

[UTubeTalkRadio]

Actually my facts are absolutely correct or I wouldn't have asserted them as fact. I got them many sources - as I'm a news junkie - including The Chicago Sun Times and Wikipedia.

[nothankyoumam]

Sorry. You facts are erroneous. If this were journalism 101, you'd get an F for factual errors, lack of attribution, and not presenting a balanced report. Feel free to post you uniformed opinions, but don't call them 'facts'.

[UTubeTalkRadio]

Then correct me. Don't just make a blanket statement. Per a balanced report, tell me how it isn't balanced. I'd be willing to bet that it's unbalanced in your opinion because you disagree with it. Now, THANK ME FOR MY COMMENT!

[kmataya]

nice "facts", (about as true as your characterization of a "liberal" media) see congressional testimony 3.16.07, valerie plame was undercover and the cia filed a case with the DOJ when her identity was released.

scooter libby - no crime?! what was clinton impeached for??

[UTubeTalkRadio]

There is a different characterization between covert and undercover in the CIA. Also, Plame testified today that she wasn't sure what her status was at the time of the so-called outing. She also only agreed to testify in front of Congress if certain questions wouldn't be asked.

Also, Clinton was impeached for perjury and filing false affidavits.

[deleuzean]

Dude, Valerie Plame just testified under oath that she was a covert operative at the time Novak's column was published. Check your facts.

[UTubeTalkRadio]

Actually, she testified she wasn't sure what her status was at the time of the so-called outing.

[DanielGiuditta]

By, the way- you're the only person on the internet whose ever pronounced my name correctly. I'm working on the piece we talked about, and I'm just finding it incredible difficult to articulate. Bob Novak, started the whole thing, I absolutely won't dispute this.

[DanielGiuditta]

On one side you have a very liberal media, who pushes only their set of facts that validate their beliefs, and then you have a conservative media who does the same thing.

This country is so confused right now, and I think its mighty bold of me to say "I don't know where I stand."

[PickledPython]

Bold? I don't know about that. The majority of American citizens don't know where they stand, and say it.

[UTubeTalkRadio]

I'm not sure what you mean...?

[UTubeTalkRadio]

Nevermind, I understand now.  lol

[DanielGiuditta]

I agree with you on the facts. I think the question is "do the facts even matter?" Seriously, who owns the facts? Washington is a dirty game. Both sides have their hands dirty. Wilson was trying to discredit the administration, and I won't dispute anything you said, but I think the really issue is that liberals and conservatives both believe a different set of facts.

[UTubeTalkRadio]

My apologies for calling "Deputy Sect. of State Armitage", "Asst. Sect. of State Armitage."