Boring and unemotional. The comlex sounds and vibrations of an combustion engine gives more fun than pure acceleration. This stuff is just hyped because it seems to be something new and seems to be so much good environment. Electric Vehicles are only good for economy.
@NineShagnasty Well, now. I'm not claiming that your arse has zero emissions. But these bikes, while they are running, emit nothing. If you want to debate emissions during the charging phase (i.e., from the power plant), we can do that.
OK, it may not actually emit any nasties but research shows that electric vehicles are far less efficient than diesel engines when it comes to use of base fuels (about 1.4 x i believe on the urban cycle).
Looks really fascinating and fits with the history of the TT in terms of encouragement of new technology, provision of a challenging "test track" and a race situation.
It is a shame that some people seem to question the lack of "noise" or excitement from the elctric bikes. However I am sure they said the same about the lack of "real horses" when cars a and motorbikes appeared on the scene well over 100 years ago.
Best of luck with the film and the electric bikes project itself!
@shinysideup100 Not available yet. Mark Neale just mentioned that he's working on a new documentary on gas bikes... "Fastest" and, in the interview, he said he's working on the "editing" of "Charge." I'm not holding my breath.
Brilliant engineering, RESPECT! I could get used to that particular whizzing sound. How about the Cathedral of Speed: the Dutch TT track at Assen this year?
Look up "boron energy storage" in Google you will see you can have your cake (electric vehicle) and eat it (500km and 1 minute refuel). It just needs to be fully developed. What they are doing in this vid is great for motor sport and development. It's like what the space program is for silicon rubber.
2:55 silver bike wow! they sound amazing like the bastard offspring of an F1 car a tron bike and a tie fighter....Very futuristic
As much as I love the loud bass notes of a duke, this is the future. Just think with competition and funding how far this can go, as soon as the big japanese firms jump on with a superbike we will advance ten fold
Lithium-ion batteries can rupture, ignite, or explode when exposed to high-temperature environments, e.g. in an area that is prone to prolonged direct sunlight. Short-circuiting a lithium-ion battery can cause it to ignite or explode and any attempt to open or modify the casing or circuitry is dangerous.
Okay, but other than merely accepting your word, can you cite me a source? Also, your original statement strongly suggested that these batteries explode on impact. That is just plain wrong. Also, exposing them to prolonged direct sunlight can cause them to get warm...not rupture, ignite or explode. And "any attempt to open or modify the casing or circuitry is dangerous" can be said about a lot of basic consumer electronics.
Li-ion batteries are not as durable as nickel metal hydride or nickel-cadmium designs,and can be extremely dangerous if mistreated. They may explode if overheated or if charged to an excessively high voltage.
LiFePO4 batteries have been tested to thousands of cycles and continue to perform. They do not explode. Either you don't know what you're talking about or you have some motivation for spreading inaccurate information.
Funny how people become concerned about the toxicity and recyclability of batteries when it's an EV, forgeting the millions of lead acid ones in their cars, everyone else they are safe and able to be recycled
I think the biggest worry is how dirty the electricity is that charges them. Per kW of energy a petrol vehicle produces far fewer emissions than a coal or gas fired power station. Also, where we live there isn't enough electricity available to supply all the air conditioners, imagine having to supply all the cars as well :-)
I'd like to see the stats for this personally. It does move the source of the pollution somewhat but the particulates being pumped out into the street is a major concern, the rising health problems, asthma levels, smog, add to that the fact petroleum/oil has not just the energy expended drilling for it but the refining of it, the transportation of it by tanker and truck., that's without mentioning the way the power was generated. It may be nuclear it may be hydro electric, clean coal, wind etc
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a proponent of internal combustion, and there are some interesting chemical storage technologies coming, but currently 85% of electricity comes from coal at a gen. efficiency of 30%. Take into account average trans losses of 7.2% battery efficiency, elec motor eff. etc electric is only 17.7% eff. over all compared to 20% in a petrol eng. and 40% in a diesel (2-stroke) I'm just saying they are not the answer YET. AND tail pipe emissions are less on a new car.
I think one area we should be looking into more is the haulage and public transport. Low speeds suited to elec and the fact drivers have to take breaks by law, so in other words a chance to re-charge. Add to that the possibility of storing spare batteries the rising diesel prices over here (around $8 a gallon)and the shit they spew out equals a good idea
Im not for or against ICE engines, I just believe I'm more suited towards elctricity doing the job I do. I also consider myself an early adopter and lover of gadgets etc. I would like to see a study on the comparisons between the two, I believe the ev method to be more efficient and environmentally better. The power consumption of the chevvy volt is akin to running 3 plasma tvs for a year
sorry for the multiple posts, but I just watched something relating to this on my local news here in the U.K.
Sheffield a near-by fairly large city spent nearly $170 million on Air pollution related diseases, with 300 related deaths. This from our highly economical smaller cleaner european cars. The catalytic converter hasn't really dented the levels that much. For these reasons alone I fully support EV's now
Hmm, given all this is about human well being in the end you may have a point there. Thanks for your input. I think boron storage and fuel cell technology is where the research should be going though. If I find the article I'll send you a link. Probably not ideal for racing bikes but good commuting.
This is very dangerous. Cause lithium ion batteries are very explosive. Imagine if you crash on that bike, you will be blown away in many different pieces.
@originofmight Not sure what your source is for that, but everything I've ready says they are safe. While "plasma fires" were thought to be a danger once, practical experience with lithium ion batteries has proven this to be incorrect.
Of course you are incorrect. There are different types of lithium chemistry, and most EV's use LiFePO4 cells, which can NOT explode as has been proven in many tests. You are making up lies. A tank of gasoline is much more dangerous than a pack of batteries.
Wow can you imagine if the internet and lobbyists were around a hundred years ago, we wouldn't ever get anything done...."I hate cars because my horse is faster, and it stinks of horse shit, and my steam traction engine runs on coal"
The danger comes from the density of the energy and how quickly it can be released. A friend of mine had a bike accident, his tank ruptured, he was covered with petrol and burnt to death. We have a lot LPG cars and in a crash the tanks can bleve resulting in destruction as well, so all energy storage is dangerous. It's a matter of mitigating risks.
Yeah I noticed that too. That's currently the biggest issue with electric, if you have performance you have little distance. I also wonder about running airconditioning in electric cars.
Mark was telling Jim Race on MotoPod cast that he has finished Charge its ready for shipping. Great stuff.
theduderwiggysan 10 months ago
Early car enthusiasts began racing their cars to be better than the other .. etc.
Basically this is the "real" start of the evolution of electric motors :)
even though they've been here forever :P since 1899 or something
Haraldur34 1 year ago
Boring and unemotional. The comlex sounds and vibrations of an combustion engine gives more fun than pure acceleration. This stuff is just hyped because it seems to be something new and seems to be so much good environment. Electric Vehicles are only good for economy.
myndron 1 year ago
i love this video more then my bong maybe
DoNotCensorMeAssHole 1 year ago
Zero emissions my arse!
NineShagnasty 1 year ago
@NineShagnasty Well, now. I'm not claiming that your arse has zero emissions. But these bikes, while they are running, emit nothing. If you want to debate emissions during the charging phase (i.e., from the power plant), we can do that.
Thebrammofan 1 year ago 3
@Thebrammofan hehehe :D
shinysideup100 1 year ago
@Thebrammofan
OK, it may not actually emit any nasties but research shows that electric vehicles are far less efficient than diesel engines when it comes to use of base fuels (about 1.4 x i believe on the urban cycle).
This is no solution to energy crisis looming.
NineShagnasty 1 year ago
Looks really fascinating and fits with the history of the TT in terms of encouragement of new technology, provision of a challenging "test track" and a race situation.
It is a shame that some people seem to question the lack of "noise" or excitement from the elctric bikes. However I am sure they said the same about the lack of "real horses" when cars a and motorbikes appeared on the scene well over 100 years ago.
Best of luck with the film and the electric bikes project itself!
pete7kcu 1 year ago
The future Bikes, very interesting!
I would like a lot to drive her...I am curious!
Harno3 1 year ago
Interesting... is the docu. available yet? If so, where? Thanks
shinysideup100 1 year ago
@shinysideup100 Not available yet. Mark Neale just mentioned that he's working on a new documentary on gas bikes... "Fastest" and, in the interview, he said he's working on the "editing" of "Charge." I'm not holding my breath.
Thebrammofan 1 year ago
Great video. . .its "Tron" all over again !! awesome
supersevenn 1 year ago
Brilliant engineering, RESPECT! I could get used to that particular whizzing sound. How about the Cathedral of Speed: the Dutch TT track at Assen this year?
roelof1966 2 years ago
Look up "boron energy storage" in Google you will see you can have your cake (electric vehicle) and eat it (500km and 1 minute refuel). It just needs to be fully developed. What they are doing in this vid is great for motor sport and development. It's like what the space program is for silicon rubber.
etmax1 2 years ago
Only Imagine where we are in say 10 years. Amazing ...
chri7 2 years ago
Defenitly the future of motorsport.And it is absolutely exiting to see that it is starting to grow.I`d like one of those!!! Great vid,man!
Nordfisken 2 years ago
2:55 silver bike wow! they sound amazing like the bastard offspring of an F1 car a tron bike and a tie fighter....Very futuristic
As much as I love the loud bass notes of a duke, this is the future. Just think with competition and funding how far this can go, as soon as the big japanese firms jump on with a superbike we will advance ten fold
eldictator1 2 years ago 6
is that Ewan McGregor doing the commentary?:)
jathe5th 2 years ago 2
Yes it is.
Thebrammofan 2 years ago
@jathe5th yes, they had him do the commentary of faster the old motogp documentary. same director etc.
TheRibbonAce 1 year ago
Go Charge
gvi341984 2 years ago
Lithium-ion batteries can rupture, ignite, or explode when exposed to high-temperature environments, e.g. in an area that is prone to prolonged direct sunlight. Short-circuiting a lithium-ion battery can cause it to ignite or explode and any attempt to open or modify the casing or circuitry is dangerous.
originofmight 2 years ago
Okay, but other than merely accepting your word, can you cite me a source? Also, your original statement strongly suggested that these batteries explode on impact. That is just plain wrong. Also, exposing them to prolonged direct sunlight can cause them to get warm...not rupture, ignite or explode. And "any attempt to open or modify the casing or circuitry is dangerous" can be said about a lot of basic consumer electronics.
Thebrammofan 2 years ago
@Thebrammofan I think he's trying to convince you that gasoline is so much safer.
rrrrrrright
Keveeee2000 1 year ago
@originofmight Do you work for a Gas company or a Gas motorbike company? because it sounds like you really don't like these electric bikes.
shotta2545 1 year ago
@originofmight doesnt gasoline do that to? i could be wrong.
jaronhall 1 year ago
Li-ion batteries are not as durable as nickel metal hydride or nickel-cadmium designs,and can be extremely dangerous if mistreated. They may explode if overheated or if charged to an excessively high voltage.
originofmight 2 years ago
LiFePO4 batteries have been tested to thousands of cycles and continue to perform. They do not explode. Either you don't know what you're talking about or you have some motivation for spreading inaccurate information.
JRP3 2 years ago
Funny how people become concerned about the toxicity and recyclability of batteries when it's an EV, forgeting the millions of lead acid ones in their cars, everyone else they are safe and able to be recycled
eldictator1 2 years ago
I think the biggest worry is how dirty the electricity is that charges them. Per kW of energy a petrol vehicle produces far fewer emissions than a coal or gas fired power station. Also, where we live there isn't enough electricity available to supply all the air conditioners, imagine having to supply all the cars as well :-)
etmax1 2 years ago
I'd like to see the stats for this personally. It does move the source of the pollution somewhat but the particulates being pumped out into the street is a major concern, the rising health problems, asthma levels, smog, add to that the fact petroleum/oil has not just the energy expended drilling for it but the refining of it, the transportation of it by tanker and truck., that's without mentioning the way the power was generated. It may be nuclear it may be hydro electric, clean coal, wind etc
eldictator1 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a proponent of internal combustion, and there are some interesting chemical storage technologies coming, but currently 85% of electricity comes from coal at a gen. efficiency of 30%. Take into account average trans losses of 7.2% battery efficiency, elec motor eff. etc electric is only 17.7% eff. over all compared to 20% in a petrol eng. and 40% in a diesel (2-stroke) I'm just saying they are not the answer YET. AND tail pipe emissions are less on a new car.
etmax1 2 years ago
I think one area we should be looking into more is the haulage and public transport. Low speeds suited to elec and the fact drivers have to take breaks by law, so in other words a chance to re-charge. Add to that the possibility of storing spare batteries the rising diesel prices over here (around $8 a gallon)and the shit they spew out equals a good idea
eldictator1 2 years ago
Im not for or against ICE engines, I just believe I'm more suited towards elctricity doing the job I do. I also consider myself an early adopter and lover of gadgets etc. I would like to see a study on the comparisons between the two, I believe the ev method to be more efficient and environmentally better. The power consumption of the chevvy volt is akin to running 3 plasma tvs for a year
eldictator1 2 years ago
sorry for the multiple posts, but I just watched something relating to this on my local news here in the U.K.
Sheffield a near-by fairly large city spent nearly $170 million on Air pollution related diseases, with 300 related deaths. This from our highly economical smaller cleaner european cars. The catalytic converter hasn't really dented the levels that much. For these reasons alone I fully support EV's now
eldictator1 2 years ago
Hmm, given all this is about human well being in the end you may have a point there. Thanks for your input. I think boron storage and fuel cell technology is where the research should be going though. If I find the article I'll send you a link. Probably not ideal for racing bikes but good commuting.
etmax1 2 years ago
This is very dangerous. Cause lithium ion batteries are very explosive. Imagine if you crash on that bike, you will be blown away in many different pieces.
originofmight 2 years ago
@originofmight Not sure what your source is for that, but everything I've ready says they are safe. While "plasma fires" were thought to be a danger once, practical experience with lithium ion batteries has proven this to be incorrect.
Thebrammofan 2 years ago
Of course you are incorrect. There are different types of lithium chemistry, and most EV's use LiFePO4 cells, which can NOT explode as has been proven in many tests. You are making up lies. A tank of gasoline is much more dangerous than a pack of batteries.
JRP3 2 years ago
Wow can you imagine if the internet and lobbyists were around a hundred years ago, we wouldn't ever get anything done...."I hate cars because my horse is faster, and it stinks of horse shit, and my steam traction engine runs on coal"
eldictator1 2 years ago
Yeah but petrol and LPG or CNG are also, and don't talk about hydrogen :-)
etmax1 2 years ago
The danger comes from the density of the energy and how quickly it can be released. A friend of mine had a bike accident, his tank ruptured, he was covered with petrol and burnt to death. We have a lot LPG cars and in a crash the tanks can bleve resulting in destruction as well, so all energy storage is dangerous. It's a matter of mitigating risks.
etmax1 2 years ago
sick stuff, electric vehicles all the way
XOCOATL7 2 years ago
any one know the miles per charge
Akira bike here we come
hahayouknowme33 2 years ago
killer
llamacide73 2 years ago
i hope the bikes be the first on this and not the cars
2006rc211v 2 years ago
I love the sound the bikes make. It's so futuristic sounding.
mechaghost 2 years ago 8
holy...it drops about a percentage of charge every 10 seconds... it does go fast though...
BikeDesignBenelux 2 years ago
Yeah I noticed that too. That's currently the biggest issue with electric, if you have performance you have little distance. I also wonder about running airconditioning in electric cars.
etmax1 2 years ago