I spent a couple of thousand dollars on my PC which was a great deal considering it would cost double the price if I bought something with the same specs from a company like Dell but I game so PC all the way
What i learned from watching this is that it takes 4 macs to bring down one PC, cause PC's are 4 times the computer Mac's are. I hope the creator of the video wasn't trying to make it pro-Mac, cause he just made them look bad.....
My opinion on mac vs pc (and I have both, and they are both, when it comes down to it, equally awesome computers) is that pc's do everything a computer can do and can always be customised, but that comes at the price of frequent crashes and such. Macs are reliable, fast and easy to use starlight out the box, but are limited to whatever comes in that box and you have to be prepared to lose out on a lot of programs or go through tough processes to port them over.
Mac isn't better for visual effects. You'd be in a far better position building a customized VFX/rendering workstation on your own than buying a Mac. You'll save literally thousands of dollars, and you'll have a machine that is faster than the more expensive, comparable Mac. Case in point: SR-2 Classified 12-Core PCs run circles around decked out 12-Core Mac Pros, beating them in every benchmark. What kind of visual effects are you hoping to do?
@MaestroDraven For MOVIES like 3D animations and VFX for action movies. The kind of VFX like in the big time budget movies. I`m a big fan of DIGITAL DOMAIN and just today i askt my self what kind of PC or MAC do you need (components, hardware) to make VFX at home to study or experiance if you start working for this kinda companies. I Have a PC INTEL CPU Duo CORE 1.64 each and 4 GB of RAM. I`m asking so if i can find this kinda part for a this kinda work (VFX) so i can buy parts .
Well your best bet would be to focus on a big workstation, depending on your budget. You could build a very excellent SR-2 Classified-based workstation with 2 six-core Xeons, 32GB of high-performance DDR3 RAM, a 128GB SSD (for OS & programs), then buy two 1TB SATA hard drives and set them up in RAID formation (RAID 0, if you're nervous about it), and throw in a nice 27" or 30" Dell UltraSharp and you'd top out at around $4000. That's $1000 cheaper than the Mac Pro.
macs don´t get to many viruses because most viruses are made for windows. This goes same for Linux, they don´t get many viruses.
If you really think about it, the only difference between a PC and a mac is the operating system. I would get an Alienware with windows. I can then dual boot mac and Linux if I would like to :D
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@panayiotis210 Apple has a hard time selling their computers outside of America (especially in Asia) because people are more computer savvy and know when they are getting ripped off
MAC IS FASTER AND EASY EVEN MY SISTER HATES PC AND SHE WANTS A MAC FCK ALL OF YOU WHO GOT PC BECAUSE I WANT SIMS 2 PETS AND ALL THE COLLETION BUT GUESS WHAT IT'S ONLY FOR FREAKIN PC URGHHHHHHHHHHHH
@99theguydude Exactly. If you buy a mac you can partition the drive in half and install Windows on one and Mac OSX on the other, and boot between them, so if you own a mac you own a mac and a pc.
I've used Windows for over 14 years, not once did I ever get a virus. How you ask? Because I'm npt a dumbass who clicks every link. And guess what Apple does get viruses. Yea I didn't even make it through a minute of the video. Mac users = dumbasses.
I hate to simplify it that way, but.....I agree, kind of. It's a combination of being naive, inexperienced, and uneducated about computers. There is always a company looking to take advantage of people who don't know any better.
Continuing for Dairemccg: ...think. I've only got 2GB RAM, but it runs like 4GB. No joke. Oh and just to refer to an earlier point on Microsoft copying their competitiors, check out the video on Apple's 2006 WWDC. not only that, but Google (not Apple now) actually confirmed that Microsoft were using IE on PCs to track which search results were the most popular so that Bing would have the same; if that isn't copying, what is?
I believe I also claimed that Macs run a lot better than PCs, and I truly believe this. I've got a white MacBook (plastic) with 2GB RAM with Intel Core 2 Duo...sounds pretty shit you say? I say, yes it does, but it ain't! Because the OS is designed to work with the hardware so well, unlike many Windows machines, because Microsoft licence their software, it works a lot better than you'd..
Right gents, I've returned from the abyss. Last night I claimed that many PCs are ugly and outdated. I think anybody who looks at a PC, and then glances at a Mac will agree that Macs are much prettier machines. That's not really disputable. I also said that Microsoft have a habit of copying Mac. That statement is justified in the following ways: Apple created icons, Windows based PCs have icons, Apple brought in Spotlight, Windows Vista also has a similar search feature. Don't believe me?...
Actually, Macs get viruses, too. And macroviruses. And Malware. And trojans. And they're the most vulnerable to rootkits and hack attacks. Did I mention that none of these require ROOT access to work?
@MaestroDraven And yet I have had my mac for 2 years with no expensive antivirus software and I have never got a virus. Like I said I have a windows 7 PC and I only got Norton after I had to clean install windows TWICE with no anti virus. But yeah, your little statement up there is great, keep it up
What a coincidence :) I've been running PCs with FREE antivirus software (Avast, the best) for years and I've never gotten a virus either. How do you know you don't have a virus if you don't have virus software on your Mac?
Oops. This is what we call a "logic implosion." That's like saying "I've never been to the doctor, because I KNOW I don't have cancer!"
Do you realize that 99% of Mac exploits can happen right under your nose?
@MaestroDraven I understand that macs get viruses, i mean everyone has heart of thet MacKeeper thing, but are you seriously trying to tell me that macs get more viruses than windows? I understand that the ration of mac users to windows users is tiny, so the virus ratio must be just as tiny, but Mac's reputation for not getting viruses did not come out of thin air! It was marketed like that by apple around 06-07 before the Mac boom, but still, in 2010, 30% of PC's in the EU became newly infected.
That isn't the point. According to Charlie Miller, an expert professional hacker at Pwn2Own, Windows might be easier to attack initially, but extremely difficult to get past due to Microsoft's intense layers of security. OSX on the other hand, is deadpan easy to initiate and make succeed. And this is coming from the mouth of a Mac lover, no less He's smart enough to realize just how atrocious Apple's security really is.
Viruses and malware will always target the most predominant platform. When you're barely scratching 6% market share, you're not a very big target. No pickpocket sits on a bench on Sunday morning at 8:00 AM looking to ply his trade. He's downtown at a picked club full of patrons on Friday night at midnight. Cyber-crime is a billion dollar business, not kids fooling around. There could be someone logging your keystrokes right now on your Mac and you'd be oblivious.
@MaestroDraven But that is exactly my point. Mac's don't get as many viruses, yes? Right now I don't care how vulnerable they are to viruses, just that they don't get as many as PC's, full stop.
And that's like saying "I'm not worried about getting cancer or heart disease, so I'm never going to visit a doctor because I think I'm fine." If you want to go down that route, that's entirely your choice. Meanwhile, rootkits remain the #1 threat on the Mac platform, and none of them can be traced without proper software. I'd hate to know what's going on behind the scenes on your Mac.
It's one thing to vigorously defend your platform of choice. It's quite another to bury your head in the sand when truckloads of proof is hitting you in the face, and you refuse to see it. You're not even bothering. All I'm getting is speculation and conjecture, over and over again. Why not take a few minutes to actually research everything I've said? Or are you too afraid that your overpriced Mac may actually not be all its cracked up to be?
@MaestroDraven Well it is all its cracked up to be, because i'm sitting here using it! Its a well known fact that the mac user experience is far better than any pc one. I know from brining my mac to coffee shops or college that people say 'wow you got a mac!'. You'd never hear anyone say 'Woah you got toshiba thats running like an oven!'
No, it's not a well known fact. It's personal opinion. Again, you're mixing those things up. If you bought a computer to show off at coffee shops, then good for you. I bought my computer to actually do work with at a faster, better, competent rate. You've proven my original point for me: Macs are for people more interested in a status symbol than a tool with some muscle under the hood. A Lamborghini with a Ford Taurus engine.
@MaestroDraven Right then you ask anyone if Apple's closed system of products provides a better user experience than Microsoft Windows on any machine (besides a mac, oh yeah, you can bootcamp windows and osx onto a mac). It is less fragmented, so in theory less can go wrong in relation to compatability between machines in the closed system. iCloud.
So? I can run OSX on my W7 machine using parallels, the same thing Apple does :) Fragmentation? Are you kidding? Win7 automatically defrags in the background, and today's hard drives have such huge space and are pre-optimized so that fragmentation isn't even an issue anymore. iCloud? Oh yes :) ANOTHER thing Apple copied from someone else. Cloud is everywhere. Apple was late to the game...........again.
@MaestroDraven "Fragmentation? Are you kidding? Win7 automatically defrags in the background, and today's hard drives have such huge space and are pre-optimized so that fragmentation isn't even an issue anymore." You could place defrag on scheduler in w95, but it is not the problem. The problem is that FAT and NTFS are defective by design. They are both not COW-capable FS´ms, so just like with AVs, fragmentation was leaved untouched on purpose. Even with 3TiB drive you need it.
@lin545 I'm not talking about disk fragmentation i'm talking about OS fragmentation, for example as seen in Android at the moment with tablet PC's and PC's that can do things that others can't, and multiple drivers that have to be downloaded from every other website... Also if you install Mac OS via parallels on a PC, well lets just say its not going to work very well or be compatible with the apple update service and the likes
It doesn't need to work well with Apple update. That's not the point of running OSX via parallels. If you build a hackintosh you'll face the same set of issues. Most Windows people who run OSX on their machines do so for the entertainment value, not for anything serious. We already have a system with a higher peak performance ratio than OSX anyways, and the benchmarks have proved it beyond dispute.
@MaestroDraven Here we are with benchmarks again, god I love this. If you own a Mac, you can install Windows and have NO COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WHATSOEVER. If you install parallels on a PC and use it to run Mac OS, you are faced with EXTREME compatability issues, so its not the same as windows on a mac at all, which runs as intended
It might also enlighten you to know that the reason Apple makes it difficult for OSX to run natively on hackintosh setups (as well as the legal issues) is because they won't be able to price gouge their naive consumer base.
If Apple allowed OSX to be installed on any computer, the Macintosh line of computers would crumble overnight and die a short, quick death.
@MaestroDraven Well to be honest it wouldn't. There will always be a market, however niche, for QUALITY CONSUMER PRODUCTS that Apple provide. Sure, they are overpriced, I thought we past that hurdle in the last century. But I don't see any other computer manufacturer that takes near as much attention to detail as Apple does. Beautifully rounded corners, large glass multitouch trackpad, Beautifully finished aluminum, glass displays, the list goes on. The fact that they are delicate goes without..
Again.....you're talking nothing but aesthetics. If you think rounded corners and glass displays justify that much of a price inflation, then I'm sorry, but your reasons for buying a computer are for personal image. Those of us who are confident enough in ourselves will choose the best tool for the job. I admire your devotion, but it's severely distorted. Apple has done quite a number on you, despite all the evidence I've shown you.
@MaestroDraven ..question. So you are seriously saying that you dont regard the personal computers that Apple make as beautiful? Then there is something missing in your life, my friend
No, there isn't :) That's the point. You need an aesthetic piece of furniture to brag about and help yourself feel better. "Oh, good! Now everyone will see that I own a Mac!" Whereas I think......"Oh good! I spent my money wisely, and I've got a system that'll actually get my work done, and tackle anything I throw at it."
You've proven where your priorities lie. I didn't realize you were so hung up on fashion gimmicks. That's what Apple sells.
@MaestroDraven Well you say you own a mac, or at least have access to one, so you should know that Mac's are just as advanced as PC's when it comes to getting work done and tackling anything I throw at it. Take Apple's amazing suites of software as an example. iLife, iWork, Aperture, Xcode, Xsan, Remote Desktop, you name it, all of them beautifully packaged and polished just like the Mac itself, and also like the Mac, they sure pack a punch too. Office has been running on macs for yonks too so..
The iSuite is for the casual home user. No professional would choose iPhoto over Photoshop. Hell, it can't even compete with GIMP, and GIMP is 100% free and open-source! I don't know about you, but when you've been using the best software in the world, it's hard to go down a step.
Also, Macs do not have the same peak potential as PCs. Not with those hardware configs. Time is money, especially when you're rendering complex material.
@MaestroDraven I have photoshop, dreamweaver, final cut pro and premiere pro all installed on my machine (given it does have a vertex 3 though). They fly around, certainly no major rendering time difference then the other guys I know exporting their projects to motion or whatever. And let me tell you one thing, Premiere pro runs like shit on Windows, and that comes solely from experience. Compare iMovie to Windows movie maker. You can't really can you.
Wrong, wrong, wrong :) I run Premiere Pro CS5 on my machine and it's absolutely fine. All Adobe products are RAM hogs, whether Mac or PC. I've ran the program on both. It has nothing to do with choice of OS.
Now, try rendering a 60-second trapcode form comp with 500x500 particles on X and Y, and 200 on Z. Do it on a Mac and PC, equal powered, I dare you. I guarantee, the Mac won't win. The pipelining constraints prevent it from doing so.
My point isn't that Macs are BAD. They're not. I think Apple makes fine use of what hardware they have, but they're certainly no better than anyone else. Grandiose claims about bulletproof security, stability and performance make Apple look arrogant and smug, both of which are qualities proven by psychology to be displayed by insecure people. Apple spends lots of time spit-polishing their stuff, but leaves the internals to suffer, from Safari to Macs.
That being said, Taylor....if I'm expected to fork out $700-$1000 (or more) dollars on a Mac, then it had better damned well be immaculate! It should run like a racehorse instead of being left at the gates. It should be absolutely bulletproof when I surf the web, and it should have the upgrade options of an interstate freeway, instead of a side street. Sure, they're fine machines. Excellent? Oh, no, no.
@MaestroDraven Well I have updated both my RAM (1067 MHz laugh all you like) my HDD to an SSD and my Optical drive to an optibay. That option is simply not available for similar windows-based laptops. In total all three procedures took less than half an hour.
They don't need to :) The hardware in lesser-expensive laptops is already two generations ahead of the Macbook line! And yes, you may certainly upgrade those parts, if you know the correct procedure. All laptops have a limited space of upgradeability, but when you're starting out running to begin with, it automatically puts you ahead of the game.
@MaestroDraven Left at the gates! Oh dear you are mistaken. You can throw your benchmarks out the window on this one because OS X dosn't tug on the system resources as much as Win7
No, you're right it doesn't. So.......how then did it lose so badly against W7 when it came down to heavy workload tests? If you can give me ONE good answer, I'll retract my statement.
@MaestroDraven I have never read anything about heavy workload tests, but straight from CNET "While multitasking, Windows 7 proved to be almost twice as slow as Mac OS X. The same was true when it came to shutting down, which leaves Microsoft's 30% lag on boot time seem like a good result." That is clearly not heavy workload, but what I am saying is that while Windows 7 may be faster on clean install benchmarks, it is more susceptible to heavy bloatware which slows it right down
CNET also showed Windows 7's startup speed at 36 seconds, and OSX at 28. You're right about desktop multitasking. Do you know what that means? You're paying $700 bucks more to open a JPEG 0.5 seconds faster than a PC. Congrats!
You didn't mention anything about heavy rendering, where W7 was a runaway. Hell, even Starcraft II (developed on Mac) ran atrociously.......until users switched to their Bootcamped Windows. Voila! They could actually play it.
"Cinebench R10 showed that Win7 was noticeably better than Snow Leopard in 3D image rendering with a score of 5,777 versus 5,437 for the OS X (higher is better)."
Like I said, do the Trapcode Form render. I dare ya :)
Keep in mind that they're talking about multitasking performance, and for some strange and stupid reason, they group startup/shutdown times into multitasking, which is ridiculous and has ZERO effect on computational power. A 38.5% increase is absolute hogwash for many reasons. A Mac can convert several AAC files to MP3 in 117 seconds. Windows 7 needed 129 seconds. That's only 12 extra seconds, and nowhere NEAR 38.5%. Again, doesn't make sense :)
It's not as simple as that. For instance, to duplicate the power configuration in my $1500 mid-range rendering system, I would need a customized $4000 iMac. The iMac may indeed multitask faster but...it took $2500 extra dollars to do it! Now, for $2500 dollars, how farther could I have gone on my rendering station?
It's the same reason why 12-Core Mac Pros are easily defeated by SR-2 Classified builds which hold Cinebench's top rankings.
In the end, I cannot justify paying $2500 more just to open a JPEG in 0.2 seconds as opposed to 0.8, or encode an MP3 8 seconds faster than Windows. Not when the true measure of my system needs to be peak power output. If someone is so concerned about their computer taking 10 seconds longer to start up, then they CLEARLY need to work on their time management skills. I walk away when i hit the shutdown button. I don't sit there waiting for it to shut down.
you know the only guy making sense is the maestro dude.. Every time u bring up a point he comes back with knowledgee knowledge knowledge and defeats you. my money is on maestrodraven as he claerly knows his shit.
@MaestroDraven "Most Windows people who run OSX on their machines do so for the entertainment value, not for anything serious." Most windows people are clowns. People who do VM on OSX do not make this for fun, but because they do not want carrying 2-3 nettops around at work.
Wrong again :) But I suppose you're telepathic and you know what everyone on Earth is thinking, right? Do some forum searches on the subject. It'll enlighten you.
@MaestroDraven "Wrong again :)" How its supposed me to be wrong and accurate to reality? Maybe you are magician no? Windows uses swap always and for everything, in practice it means any time deframentation runs machine gets 2-3x longer waits on I/O with memory. And none of defragmenters has achieved even slightly correct I/O throttling detection, it always interferes!
@MaestroDraven "Moot point. All OS's defrag the same way. You can run W7 for 2 years without a single defrag and you won't notice a lick of performance degradation."
Should that mean I have to disable autodefragmentation? Because this is the first thing I will do cause it interefers a LOT with actual work, no matter which auto-defrag solution you use.
Claiming w7 autodefrag solves unneeded defragmentation is same as claiming reboot helps correct BSODs - tip from w9x era.
Oh, and fragmentation has absolutely nothing to with compatibility between machines. I don't know where you got that from, but I wouldn't ever say that again. Your secret is safe with me though.
@MaestroDraven I'm not talking about disk fragmentation i'm talking about OS fragmentation, for example as seen in Android at the moment with tablet PC's and PC's that can do things that others can't, and multiple drivers that have to be downloaded from every other website... Also if you install Mac OS via parallels on a PC, well lets just say its not going to work very well or be compatible with the apple update service and the likes
@MaestroDraven You have zero understanding how PM-optimized macs are. Phoronix has nice article on w7 vs ubuntu vs mac energy efficency.
"Microsoft's intense layers of security." lol what layers? UAC which is half-arsed version of sudo? Quickest 0day vulnerability response from ms was 10 days. No X flag, lol. Pretty retarded ACLs implementation.
"Viruses and malware will always target the most predominant platform" This FUD is known since 2003.
@MaestroDraven "Cyber-crime is a billion dollar business, not kids fooling around." Is that the case why various stocks replaced their windows servers with *nix ones and google as prohibited using any ms-based system for all workers?
"Meanwhile, rootkits remain the #1 threat on the Mac platform, and none of them can be traced without proper software" Meanwhile rootkits are undetectable on any OS withouth external chroot - is that new to you? Rooting mac requires root password.
No, it doesn't require a ROOT password :) 95% of Mac exploits don't require ROOT access. That is the horrible truth of things. Google Pwn2Own and do a little bit of light reading.
@MaestroDraven I know p2o for rather long period of time. On day 3 they allow physical access to device, physical access always guarantee security breach because all they do is to make run code for priviledge escallation hole they found earlier. This means user HAS to do unlogical things and this is equal to giving root pwd away. Isn´t this the reason Fx has noscript installed? Also, win* have binary elements as plugins with no no-X file attributes as mentioned before.
You can overcomplicate the issue all you want. Talk to Charlie Miller, one of the best hackers in the world, a former NSA security op........and a Mac lover to boot, who was the one said that most exploits on Mac don't require ROOT access to work. That is the inherent flaw of OSX. You can try to justify your argument any way you want. Pwn2own has already proved you wrong.several years in a row. Case closed.
Pwn2Own and Charlie Miller have already proved you wrong. Miller is a Mac lover, by the way, and he was the one who said that most Mac exploits don't require ROOT access. I suppose you're telling me that you know more than one of the best hackers (and a former NSA security op) in the world? Show me your definitive proof, please. pwn2Own has given me several years worth.
@MaestroDraven "most Mac exploits don't require ROOT access." You seem to have problems with perception, mr enlightment magician BS? Miller is giving love to macs because he loves them and only working exploits utilize privilege escalation as first and only step. In order to achieve that, you need physical access to machine and proprietary binaries. 80% of PE were within Adobe Falsch which fails on every OS and 20% on Safari which lacks noscript capabilities.
@MaestroDraven Chome unhackable AHAHA! That made my day! Cmmon fix memleaks first, k?
"And most Mac exploits don't require ROOT access, in case you didn't hear me the first two times. Nothing is going to change that. Nothing."
Yes, because those exploits were about priviledge escalation, in case you didn´t read my text either. In windows, you are owned by definition - you don´t even need physical access. Malware will replicate automatically - just add internet.
If you needed physical access to the machine, then how are rootkits and keystroke loggers being installed remotely on Mac machines and allowing for customer's personal data and credit card info to be stolen? Did they break into the guy's house and install the software while he was asleep?
I smell something fishy! Or.....cheesy. As in swiss cheese. You know, ......full of holes.
@MaestroDraven "Did they break into the guy's house and install the software while he was asleep?" Most attack vectors invovle phishing and similar SE.
"I smell something fishy! Or.....cheesy. As in swiss cheese. You know, ......full of holes" That must be your windows box. You better update your AV definitions, which will mess network a bit but who cares, before they roll-out patches in 5 months. You never know.
...that everybody should note that what makes Apple better as a company & and as a manufacturer is their BUSINESS MODEL!! Microsoft's is based mainly on profits and flooding the market with their products, which they've done successfully for many years. Apple's probably on the way to this model, but for now, their quality products and success with the iPhone are what are keeping them afloat!
Wrong. Apple's is based on profits. They don't care about you, only money. Why is it that Apple charges $750 to upgrade 6GB of RAM to 16GB of RAM in an iMac? Are they using excellent-grade RAM? Actually, no. It's Hynix RAM. By contrast, pack-leaders like OCZ and Corsair that make the best RAM in the business are offering 16GB packs for $200 bucks. Ouch! Yeah, Apple doesn't care about profit one bit :)
...analyse the business aspect of the two companies. Apple have been trailing Microsoft for many years, mainly due to their higher prices, and their poor business model. I think in my argument I've justified the price; if you want quality, go custom made. If a PC is custom made, then it'll probably run better too! Macs aren't perfect, but they're better looking and better made, for the most part, than the generic Toshiba, Acer, Sony and many other Microsoft-licensed companies. I think...
Microsofts' website is certainly not the beaut that Apple's is. But that isn't really important.
I completely understand and empathise with people who use PCs. I used one for many years and I know, particularly from a commerce point of view, PCs are better, in terms of the software packages available, e.g. accounting software, etc. Most people would traditionally associate Macs with graphic design, artists, architects & engineers.
I'm not just saying Macs are better for no reason; one must....
All you have to do is go to Apple & Microsofts respective websites: Apple understand that customer relations and helping the consumer are important to their reputation, whereas Microsoft have been a little slow to catch up on this point. Apple, for the most part, have an excellent customer support service over the phone, and were at lease a decade ahead of Microsoft on opening retail stores, which are key to maintained customer relations and for other, logistical matters.
Microsoft ....again....doesn't make computers. Now let's check out ASUS, with the best warranty in the business that Apple can't HOPE to beat. If you sneeze on your Mac, chances are Apple will void your warranty.
...many PATENTS they have over their products, which are invaluable to their innovation, especially with the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad. Microsoft have often spent many months in the court room, but for completely different reasons, mainly in their attempt to monopolise the web browser market. However this is mostly irrelevant. But it is clear to note that Microsoft certainly aren't as reputable as Apple, which are the "golden company", so to speak, of the technology world.
@MaestroDraven Nobody ever said that Apple invented these technologies, but do you seriously think that capacitive touch screen technology and its respective UI (ALL stolen from Apple) would be as advanced today without them? They are the only ones innovating in the sector, with microsoft thriving and making money off shitty PC's running bloatware all day. Yipee, CNET and IGN have independently bechmarked them as better than Macs!...
@MaestroDraven ...Do you honestly thing anyone is going to give a shit other than the anti-mac guys? Just because the benchmarks are worse doen't mean they are bad! You guys are clinging to the fact that PC's are both cheaper and more popular. Don't you see that that only makes apples devices more alluring?...
@MaestroDraven ...Exclusivity is everything! Would you rather sit in a coffee shop with a clunky laptop with a 3 hour battery vibrating away on the table making everybody deaf and keeping your coffee warm for you? Or would you rather sit there on a swanky macbook air, doing what you want, KEEPING OUT OF YOUR WAY! You are clinging to your benchmarks and at the end of the day the only one you're fooling is yourself...
Well, you tell me. The ASUS U-Series laptops have 10 hour battery lives. That's 3 more hours than APple's best. Plus they're just as lightweight...and they just coincidentally seem to have double power.
dude.... when they showed the "PCs Transform" thingy, my task bar kinda reset itself :0
DaNeoGamer 2 hours ago
LOL! upgrading to windows XP hahahahahahaah yeah. vista sux people....
DaNeoGamer 2 hours ago
They are about the same size, PC is cheaper, mac DOES get viruses, mac rips people off, PC has gaming computer mac does not, Basically PC is better.
yodafan91 12 hours ago
who would buy a computer you can't play skyrim on
MutatedCrabBot 2 days ago
@MutatedCrabBot Because a computer isn't for skyrim, get the fuck outside.
megusta535 1 day ago
@MutatedCrabBot
Because not everyone is a gamer and even gamers don't needs all their computers to play Skyrim.
My desktop PC needs to play games, but my laptop doesn't and my home theatre PC doesn't either.
Gaming is the only reason my desktop PC is running Windows.
Molo9000 1 day ago
@Molo9000 being gamer is a different thing
What I'm asking is why choosing a computer which doesn't run most applications/games over a computer which can
MutatedCrabBot 1 day ago
realy cool made video, may I ask, which designing program did you use to make it? autodesk maya?
9kraby9 2 days ago
2:18 drops hes balls?
N04C 2 days ago
This Video is just epic
epicnessforfree 3 days ago
I bought mac one year ago.
My opinion is........
Mac is biggest shit in world! ....ok it´s not. But PC is still lot better than Mac.
IgnotoFin 3 days ago
MAC!!!!!!!!!
SithScumSlayer1138 4 days ago
That was awesome!! dollar for dollar pc pwns mac all day.
jakegibson 4 days ago
This vid is a favorite on Dodoma
jarrettpeter37 5 days ago
I spent a couple of thousand dollars on my PC which was a great deal considering it would cost double the price if I bought something with the same specs from a company like Dell but I game so PC all the way
ObsidianCrafta 5 days ago
Mac強いな
WindowsのデスクトップPCが出てきて戦えば面白い
個人的にはWindowsPCの方に勝って欲しかった
Yuya1026full 5 days ago
What i learned from watching this is that it takes 4 macs to bring down one PC, cause PC's are 4 times the computer Mac's are. I hope the creator of the video wasn't trying to make it pro-Mac, cause he just made them look bad.....
PvtGermanWagz 5 days ago 2
wait it said upgrading to windows xp, it should be downgrading to windows xp!
TheCraigID 6 days ago
just get both.. problem solved
mist8k 6 days ago
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Mac did the editing of this video...Macs rule!! fuck windows
solomonpin1 6 days ago
@solomonpin1 If you look a few comments down you'll see they used 3DS Max, a program that only exists on Windows
eateroftheflame 5 days ago
@eateroftheflame Macs are still better computers
solomonpin1 5 days ago
i bet all the special effects are made on a mac
genis3641 1 week ago
@genis3641 You might want to rethink that, seeing as how the 3D was done using 3DS Max, which is only available for Windows.
FoodMoTron3k 6 days ago 7
@genis3641 Ikr
solomonpin1 6 days ago
My opinion on mac vs pc (and I have both, and they are both, when it comes down to it, equally awesome computers) is that pc's do everything a computer can do and can always be customised, but that comes at the price of frequent crashes and such. Macs are reliable, fast and easy to use starlight out the box, but are limited to whatever comes in that box and you have to be prepared to lose out on a lot of programs or go through tough processes to port them over.
DazNoobs 1 week ago
windows vista... upgrading to windows xp :P
andee1404 1 week ago
IF you have a PC what kind OF PC u need for making Visual FX, or is MAC better for Visual FX ?
Iskrenasdtwo 1 week ago
@Iskrenasdtwo
Mac isn't better for visual effects. You'd be in a far better position building a customized VFX/rendering workstation on your own than buying a Mac. You'll save literally thousands of dollars, and you'll have a machine that is faster than the more expensive, comparable Mac. Case in point: SR-2 Classified 12-Core PCs run circles around decked out 12-Core Mac Pros, beating them in every benchmark. What kind of visual effects are you hoping to do?
MaestroDraven 1 week ago
@MaestroDraven For MOVIES like 3D animations and VFX for action movies. The kind of VFX like in the big time budget movies. I`m a big fan of DIGITAL DOMAIN and just today i askt my self what kind of PC or MAC do you need (components, hardware) to make VFX at home to study or experiance if you start working for this kinda companies. I Have a PC INTEL CPU Duo CORE 1.64 each and 4 GB of RAM. I`m asking so if i can find this kinda part for a this kinda work (VFX) so i can buy parts .
Iskrenasdtwo 1 week ago
@Iskrenasdtwo
Well your best bet would be to focus on a big workstation, depending on your budget. You could build a very excellent SR-2 Classified-based workstation with 2 six-core Xeons, 32GB of high-performance DDR3 RAM, a 128GB SSD (for OS & programs), then buy two 1TB SATA hard drives and set them up in RAID formation (RAID 0, if you're nervous about it), and throw in a nice 27" or 30" Dell UltraSharp and you'd top out at around $4000. That's $1000 cheaper than the Mac Pro.
MaestroDraven 1 week ago
/watch?v=32lMllDte3M check this guy out on why pc is better than mac, thumbs me up so everyone can see.
xTakenotesx16 1 week ago
Pc forever :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
arnosh07 1 week ago
mac is better over all but its easier to program PC
eca3101 1 week ago
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if you are on a mac thumbs up
JustCallMeFizzz 1 week ago
if you are on a pc thumbs up
JustCallMeFizzz 1 week ago
macs don´t get to many viruses because most viruses are made for windows. This goes same for Linux, they don´t get many viruses.
If you really think about it, the only difference between a PC and a mac is the operating system. I would get an Alienware with windows. I can then dual boot mac and Linux if I would like to :D
Scott5212 1 week ago
This video was created with a Mac or a PC ?
ThomasProduction1 1 week ago
2:44 Windows Vista: upgrading to Windows XP
Dude7469 1 week ago
@Dude7469 This was before Windows 7. Back then Windows XP was the only good Windows OS.
Catalytera 1 week ago
I WANNAA TUTORIALLL!! lol
tutoriaisbrisa 1 week ago
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TheCanadacriminal 1 week ago
The Commodore 64 ALWAYS wins!
n__n
creeper283 1 week ago
thumbs up if you hate Apple.
S1aa3d 1 week ago 2
@S1aa3d lol, why do you hate appe?
WoozyVlogs 1 week ago
Go to ANY office you are living close to
Then lokk at the computer manufacturer .....
Everything's clear I hope !!
creeper283 1 week ago
You can get a $10 iTunes* card for free. You just need to download App Trailers from the APP STORE -OR- the ANDROID MARKET and enter wakespace as the bonus code.
The app is free, so download it and give it a shot. I've received 2x $10 iTunes card so far.
*--You can also choose to receive Amazon, Best Buy, eBay, GameStop, PSN, Wii, or XBL gift cards; there are also -17- other available gift cards not mentioned here (for brevity's sake). Additionally, you can withdraw your money via PayPal.
AviciHell 1 week ago
No wonder windows lost..
It was using vista.
Damn you, vista.
EnchantedLocket 2 weeks ago
windows vista.......upgrading to windows xp?WTF???
ventril2009 2 weeks ago
Thumb up if your bored and you typed in Mac into youtube.
ZzzinoGaming 2 weeks ago
Excellent effects. Amazing how many companies can fail to produce CGI as realistic, fluid, and detailed as these.
ZombiezuRFER 2 weeks ago
This is awesome but the girl in the beginning was annoying and was really bad at acting.
flippysnow 2 weeks ago
<3 mac
gabriella97ish 2 weeks ago
whoever made this should work for pixar
FreeSpirit0978 2 weeks ago
pc>mac
shiznak55 2 weeks ago
Bring in the alienware area 52 :P
codmad1000 2 weeks ago
I don't like MAC but that girl was really annoying
thomas1999 2 weeks ago
If my Laptop was like that i prefer linux, because they only become spectators or make friends with Apple to kick PC ass
TheRizki23 2 weeks ago
to get oyur pc look like a mac check my vid: /watch?v=7CuPOvaH6s0&feature=related
lifeshade23 2 weeks ago
The projectile, which was an apple logo said " in JOBS we Trust
- ( steve jobs for the clueless)
JTHMShmee 2 weeks ago
i noticed that here in australia macs are cheaper than what they are in europe and america...why?
panayiotis210 2 weeks ago 17
@panayiotis210 cuz you know australians are cooler mate haha
PictureVlogs 2 weeks ago
@panayiotis210 CHEAPER TO IMPORT AND SHIP?
Theguywiththeforces 1 week ago
@panayiotis210 cheaper? what are you talking about? macs are more expensive in australia than europe and the US.
bnza10 1 week ago
@panayiotis210
Because they're less popular.
microsf121 1 week ago
@panayiotis210
Because your communist, you just dont know it yet.
caleb12345ization 1 week ago
@panayiotis210 Apple has a hard time selling their computers outside of America (especially in Asia) because people are more computer savvy and know when they are getting ripped off
DrDeso1 6 days ago 3
@panayiotis210 Closer to asia so less transport costs I think.
maxoomen 3 days ago
@panayiotis210 then i will goto australia to buy my macs from now on!
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i got mac and pc haha i got it all muahahahaha
panayiotis210 2 weeks ago
If you are on a PC thumbs up.
If you are on a Mac thumbs down.
lexmark245 2 weeks ago 172
@lexmark245 Wish i could give you a million thumb down
solomonpin1 6 days ago
@Maestro
99theguydude 2 weeks ago
@taylorconnor95 woes I never knew that!!!!! now I r lly want a mac
99theguydude 2 weeks ago
the PC kinda looks like an old-style mac desktop
HELIOWITZ 2 weeks ago
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thedeadmau5king 2 weeks ago
"Give me vicodin Please... You're an Idiot"
"Send Error Report To Microsoft... Sending.... Failed.... Bill Gates Doesn't Give A S*#t About You"
ROTFL!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!
G E N I U S ! ! ! ! !
mxgare 2 weeks ago
this is soo cool
beyblade1ish 2 weeks ago
MAC IS FASTER AND EASY EVEN MY SISTER HATES PC AND SHE WANTS A MAC FCK ALL OF YOU WHO GOT PC BECAUSE I WANT SIMS 2 PETS AND ALL THE COLLETION BUT GUESS WHAT IT'S ONLY FOR FREAKIN PC URGHHHHHHHHHHHH
WeskerLovE55 2 weeks ago
OMG THIS WAR IS SO STUPID JUST USE BOTH OF YOU NEED TO. NO ONE SAID YOU CAN'T HAVE A MAC AND A PC
99theguydude 2 weeks ago
@99theguydude Exactly. If you buy a mac you can partition the drive in half and install Windows on one and Mac OSX on the other, and boot between them, so if you own a mac you own a mac and a pc.
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
There are two kinds of OSes:
1) Windows and Mac OSes that fight each other who´s better at doing job.
2) Linux PC which just does the job silently.
lin545 2 weeks ago
COMMENTS= NERD RAGE
TechnoDice 2 weeks ago
Apple pwns
everythingsinslowmo 2 weeks ago
Comments = uber nerd rage
everythingsinslowmo 2 weeks ago
I've used Windows for over 14 years, not once did I ever get a virus. How you ask? Because I'm npt a dumbass who clicks every link. And guess what Apple does get viruses. Yea I didn't even make it through a minute of the video. Mac users = dumbasses.
manna887 2 weeks ago
@manna887
I hate to simplify it that way, but.....I agree, kind of. It's a combination of being naive, inexperienced, and uneducated about computers. There is always a company looking to take advantage of people who don't know any better.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
Continuing for Dairemccg: ...think. I've only got 2GB RAM, but it runs like 4GB. No joke. Oh and just to refer to an earlier point on Microsoft copying their competitiors, check out the video on Apple's 2006 WWDC. not only that, but Google (not Apple now) actually confirmed that Microsoft were using IE on PCs to track which search results were the most popular so that Bing would have the same; if that isn't copying, what is?
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
I believe I also claimed that Macs run a lot better than PCs, and I truly believe this. I've got a white MacBook (plastic) with 2GB RAM with Intel Core 2 Duo...sounds pretty shit you say? I say, yes it does, but it ain't! Because the OS is designed to work with the hardware so well, unlike many Windows machines, because Microsoft licence their software, it works a lot better than you'd..
Dairemccg 2 weeks ago
@Dairemccg
Every OS is designed to "work with the hardware." Yet top grade 27" iMacs from 2011 with $1999 iMacs are getting beaten to death by $1000 PCs.
If it's so much better, and works with the hardware so well, then why did it lose so badly? You can either have one, or the other, not both.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
Right gents, I've returned from the abyss. Last night I claimed that many PCs are ugly and outdated. I think anybody who looks at a PC, and then glances at a Mac will agree that Macs are much prettier machines. That's not really disputable. I also said that Microsoft have a habit of copying Mac. That statement is justified in the following ways: Apple created icons, Windows based PCs have icons, Apple brought in Spotlight, Windows Vista also has a similar search feature. Don't believe me?...
Dairemccg 2 weeks ago
this vid is better than transformers 2
Deefboy95 2 weeks ago
"That's what she said." LOL!
linkinscooter 2 weeks ago
Ok, MACs are good. PCs are good. We all have opinoins. PCs get viruses and MACs are extremley over priced.
Subscriber7thst 2 weeks ago
@Subscriber7thst
Actually, Macs get viruses, too. And macroviruses. And Malware. And trojans. And they're the most vulnerable to rootkits and hack attacks. Did I mention that none of these require ROOT access to work?
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven And yet I have had my mac for 2 years with no expensive antivirus software and I have never got a virus. Like I said I have a windows 7 PC and I only got Norton after I had to clean install windows TWICE with no anti virus. But yeah, your little statement up there is great, keep it up
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
What a coincidence :) I've been running PCs with FREE antivirus software (Avast, the best) for years and I've never gotten a virus either. How do you know you don't have a virus if you don't have virus software on your Mac?
Oops. This is what we call a "logic implosion." That's like saying "I've never been to the doctor, because I KNOW I don't have cancer!"
Do you realize that 99% of Mac exploits can happen right under your nose?
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven I understand that macs get viruses, i mean everyone has heart of thet MacKeeper thing, but are you seriously trying to tell me that macs get more viruses than windows? I understand that the ration of mac users to windows users is tiny, so the virus ratio must be just as tiny, but Mac's reputation for not getting viruses did not come out of thin air! It was marketed like that by apple around 06-07 before the Mac boom, but still, in 2010, 30% of PC's in the EU became newly infected.
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
That isn't the point. According to Charlie Miller, an expert professional hacker at Pwn2Own, Windows might be easier to attack initially, but extremely difficult to get past due to Microsoft's intense layers of security. OSX on the other hand, is deadpan easy to initiate and make succeed. And this is coming from the mouth of a Mac lover, no less He's smart enough to realize just how atrocious Apple's security really is.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
Viruses and malware will always target the most predominant platform. When you're barely scratching 6% market share, you're not a very big target. No pickpocket sits on a bench on Sunday morning at 8:00 AM looking to ply his trade. He's downtown at a picked club full of patrons on Friday night at midnight. Cyber-crime is a billion dollar business, not kids fooling around. There could be someone logging your keystrokes right now on your Mac and you'd be oblivious.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven But that is exactly my point. Mac's don't get as many viruses, yes? Right now I don't care how vulnerable they are to viruses, just that they don't get as many as PC's, full stop.
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
And that's like saying "I'm not worried about getting cancer or heart disease, so I'm never going to visit a doctor because I think I'm fine." If you want to go down that route, that's entirely your choice. Meanwhile, rootkits remain the #1 threat on the Mac platform, and none of them can be traced without proper software. I'd hate to know what's going on behind the scenes on your Mac.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
It's one thing to vigorously defend your platform of choice. It's quite another to bury your head in the sand when truckloads of proof is hitting you in the face, and you refuse to see it. You're not even bothering. All I'm getting is speculation and conjecture, over and over again. Why not take a few minutes to actually research everything I've said? Or are you too afraid that your overpriced Mac may actually not be all its cracked up to be?
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven Well it is all its cracked up to be, because i'm sitting here using it! Its a well known fact that the mac user experience is far better than any pc one. I know from brining my mac to coffee shops or college that people say 'wow you got a mac!'. You'd never hear anyone say 'Woah you got toshiba thats running like an oven!'
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
No, it's not a well known fact. It's personal opinion. Again, you're mixing those things up. If you bought a computer to show off at coffee shops, then good for you. I bought my computer to actually do work with at a faster, better, competent rate. You've proven my original point for me: Macs are for people more interested in a status symbol than a tool with some muscle under the hood. A Lamborghini with a Ford Taurus engine.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven Right then you ask anyone if Apple's closed system of products provides a better user experience than Microsoft Windows on any machine (besides a mac, oh yeah, you can bootcamp windows and osx onto a mac). It is less fragmented, so in theory less can go wrong in relation to compatability between machines in the closed system. iCloud.
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
So? I can run OSX on my W7 machine using parallels, the same thing Apple does :) Fragmentation? Are you kidding? Win7 automatically defrags in the background, and today's hard drives have such huge space and are pre-optimized so that fragmentation isn't even an issue anymore. iCloud? Oh yes :) ANOTHER thing Apple copied from someone else. Cloud is everywhere. Apple was late to the game...........again.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven "Fragmentation? Are you kidding? Win7 automatically defrags in the background, and today's hard drives have such huge space and are pre-optimized so that fragmentation isn't even an issue anymore." You could place defrag on scheduler in w95, but it is not the problem. The problem is that FAT and NTFS are defective by design. They are both not COW-capable FS´ms, so just like with AVs, fragmentation was leaved untouched on purpose. Even with 3TiB drive you need it.
lin545 2 weeks ago
@lin545 I'm not talking about disk fragmentation i'm talking about OS fragmentation, for example as seen in Android at the moment with tablet PC's and PC's that can do things that others can't, and multiple drivers that have to be downloaded from every other website... Also if you install Mac OS via parallels on a PC, well lets just say its not going to work very well or be compatible with the apple update service and the likes
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
It doesn't need to work well with Apple update. That's not the point of running OSX via parallels. If you build a hackintosh you'll face the same set of issues. Most Windows people who run OSX on their machines do so for the entertainment value, not for anything serious. We already have a system with a higher peak performance ratio than OSX anyways, and the benchmarks have proved it beyond dispute.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven Here we are with benchmarks again, god I love this. If you own a Mac, you can install Windows and have NO COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WHATSOEVER. If you install parallels on a PC and use it to run Mac OS, you are faced with EXTREME compatability issues, so its not the same as windows on a mac at all, which runs as intended
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
No, you're not : ) You've obviously never ran OSX via parallels. I suggest you try it sometime, then come back here and talk to me
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
It might also enlighten you to know that the reason Apple makes it difficult for OSX to run natively on hackintosh setups (as well as the legal issues) is because they won't be able to price gouge their naive consumer base.
If Apple allowed OSX to be installed on any computer, the Macintosh line of computers would crumble overnight and die a short, quick death.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven Well to be honest it wouldn't. There will always be a market, however niche, for QUALITY CONSUMER PRODUCTS that Apple provide. Sure, they are overpriced, I thought we past that hurdle in the last century. But I don't see any other computer manufacturer that takes near as much attention to detail as Apple does. Beautifully rounded corners, large glass multitouch trackpad, Beautifully finished aluminum, glass displays, the list goes on. The fact that they are delicate goes without..
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
Again.....you're talking nothing but aesthetics. If you think rounded corners and glass displays justify that much of a price inflation, then I'm sorry, but your reasons for buying a computer are for personal image. Those of us who are confident enough in ourselves will choose the best tool for the job. I admire your devotion, but it's severely distorted. Apple has done quite a number on you, despite all the evidence I've shown you.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven ..question. So you are seriously saying that you dont regard the personal computers that Apple make as beautiful? Then there is something missing in your life, my friend
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
No, there isn't :) That's the point. You need an aesthetic piece of furniture to brag about and help yourself feel better. "Oh, good! Now everyone will see that I own a Mac!" Whereas I think......"Oh good! I spent my money wisely, and I've got a system that'll actually get my work done, and tackle anything I throw at it."
You've proven where your priorities lie. I didn't realize you were so hung up on fashion gimmicks. That's what Apple sells.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven Well you say you own a mac, or at least have access to one, so you should know that Mac's are just as advanced as PC's when it comes to getting work done and tackling anything I throw at it. Take Apple's amazing suites of software as an example. iLife, iWork, Aperture, Xcode, Xsan, Remote Desktop, you name it, all of them beautifully packaged and polished just like the Mac itself, and also like the Mac, they sure pack a punch too. Office has been running on macs for yonks too so..
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
The iSuite is for the casual home user. No professional would choose iPhoto over Photoshop. Hell, it can't even compete with GIMP, and GIMP is 100% free and open-source! I don't know about you, but when you've been using the best software in the world, it's hard to go down a step.
Also, Macs do not have the same peak potential as PCs. Not with those hardware configs. Time is money, especially when you're rendering complex material.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven I have photoshop, dreamweaver, final cut pro and premiere pro all installed on my machine (given it does have a vertex 3 though). They fly around, certainly no major rendering time difference then the other guys I know exporting their projects to motion or whatever. And let me tell you one thing, Premiere pro runs like shit on Windows, and that comes solely from experience. Compare iMovie to Windows movie maker. You can't really can you.
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
Wrong, wrong, wrong :) I run Premiere Pro CS5 on my machine and it's absolutely fine. All Adobe products are RAM hogs, whether Mac or PC. I've ran the program on both. It has nothing to do with choice of OS.
Now, try rendering a 60-second trapcode form comp with 500x500 particles on X and Y, and 200 on Z. Do it on a Mac and PC, equal powered, I dare you. I guarantee, the Mac won't win. The pipelining constraints prevent it from doing so.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
My point isn't that Macs are BAD. They're not. I think Apple makes fine use of what hardware they have, but they're certainly no better than anyone else. Grandiose claims about bulletproof security, stability and performance make Apple look arrogant and smug, both of which are qualities proven by psychology to be displayed by insecure people. Apple spends lots of time spit-polishing their stuff, but leaves the internals to suffer, from Safari to Macs.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
That being said, Taylor....if I'm expected to fork out $700-$1000 (or more) dollars on a Mac, then it had better damned well be immaculate! It should run like a racehorse instead of being left at the gates. It should be absolutely bulletproof when I surf the web, and it should have the upgrade options of an interstate freeway, instead of a side street. Sure, they're fine machines. Excellent? Oh, no, no.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven Well I have updated both my RAM (1067 MHz laugh all you like) my HDD to an SSD and my Optical drive to an optibay. That option is simply not available for similar windows-based laptops. In total all three procedures took less than half an hour.
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
They don't need to :) The hardware in lesser-expensive laptops is already two generations ahead of the Macbook line! And yes, you may certainly upgrade those parts, if you know the correct procedure. All laptops have a limited space of upgradeability, but when you're starting out running to begin with, it automatically puts you ahead of the game.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven Left at the gates! Oh dear you are mistaken. You can throw your benchmarks out the window on this one because OS X dosn't tug on the system resources as much as Win7
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
No, you're right it doesn't. So.......how then did it lose so badly against W7 when it came down to heavy workload tests? If you can give me ONE good answer, I'll retract my statement.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven I have never read anything about heavy workload tests, but straight from CNET "While multitasking, Windows 7 proved to be almost twice as slow as Mac OS X. The same was true when it came to shutting down, which leaves Microsoft's 30% lag on boot time seem like a good result." That is clearly not heavy workload, but what I am saying is that while Windows 7 may be faster on clean install benchmarks, it is more susceptible to heavy bloatware which slows it right down
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
CNET also showed Windows 7's startup speed at 36 seconds, and OSX at 28. You're right about desktop multitasking. Do you know what that means? You're paying $700 bucks more to open a JPEG 0.5 seconds faster than a PC. Congrats!
You didn't mention anything about heavy rendering, where W7 was a runaway. Hell, even Starcraft II (developed on Mac) ran atrociously.......until users switched to their Bootcamped Windows. Voila! They could actually play it.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
Just one of many examples:
"Cinebench R10 showed that Win7 was noticeably better than Snow Leopard in 3D image rendering with a score of 5,777 versus 5,437 for the OS X (higher is better)."
Like I said, do the Trapcode Form render. I dare ya :)
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven
dude I agree but lots of websites claim that OSX is faster than win7 by like 38.5%. I do not agre but how do you explain that??
TheDarkMikado 2 weeks ago
@TheDarkMikado
Keep in mind that they're talking about multitasking performance, and for some strange and stupid reason, they group startup/shutdown times into multitasking, which is ridiculous and has ZERO effect on computational power. A 38.5% increase is absolute hogwash for many reasons. A Mac can convert several AAC files to MP3 in 117 seconds. Windows 7 needed 129 seconds. That's only 12 extra seconds, and nowhere NEAR 38.5%. Again, doesn't make sense :)
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven
i agree but if mac is faster at multitasking then that does say something about how good it is wouldnt it?
TheDarkMikado 2 weeks ago
@TheDarkMikado
It's not as simple as that. For instance, to duplicate the power configuration in my $1500 mid-range rendering system, I would need a customized $4000 iMac. The iMac may indeed multitask faster but...it took $2500 extra dollars to do it! Now, for $2500 dollars, how farther could I have gone on my rendering station?
It's the same reason why 12-Core Mac Pros are easily defeated by SR-2 Classified builds which hold Cinebench's top rankings.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@TheDarkMikado
In the end, I cannot justify paying $2500 more just to open a JPEG in 0.2 seconds as opposed to 0.8, or encode an MP3 8 seconds faster than Windows. Not when the true measure of my system needs to be peak power output. If someone is so concerned about their computer taking 10 seconds longer to start up, then they CLEARLY need to work on their time management skills. I walk away when i hit the shutdown button. I don't sit there waiting for it to shut down.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
you know the only guy making sense is the maestro dude.. Every time u bring up a point he comes back with knowledgee knowledge knowledge and defeats you. my money is on maestrodraven as he claerly knows his shit.
eyeinsistGT3 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven "Most Windows people who run OSX on their machines do so for the entertainment value, not for anything serious." Most windows people are clowns. People who do VM on OSX do not make this for fun, but because they do not want carrying 2-3 nettops around at work.
lin545 2 weeks ago
@lin545 s/nettop/netbook
lin545 2 weeks ago
@lin545
Wrong again :) But I suppose you're telepathic and you know what everyone on Earth is thinking, right? Do some forum searches on the subject. It'll enlighten you.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven "Wrong again :)" How its supposed me to be wrong and accurate to reality? Maybe you are magician no? Windows uses swap always and for everything, in practice it means any time deframentation runs machine gets 2-3x longer waits on I/O with memory. And none of defragmenters has achieved even slightly correct I/O throttling detection, it always interferes!
lin545 2 weeks ago
@lin545
Aaaaaand once again.....W7 defrags automatically in the background, as does Linux and OSX. So, you're not proving a point.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@lin545 Sorry wrong guy :)
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@lin545
Moot point. All OS's defrag the same way. You can run W7 for 2 years without a single defrag and you won't notice a lick of performance degradation.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
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@MaestroDraven "Moot point. All OS's defrag the same way. You can run W7 for 2 years without a single defrag and you won't notice a lick of performance degradation."
Should that mean I have to disable autodefragmentation? Because this is the first thing I will do cause it interefers a LOT with actual work, no matter which auto-defrag solution you use.
Claiming w7 autodefrag solves unneeded defragmentation is same as claiming reboot helps correct BSODs - tip from w9x era.
lin545 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
Oh, and fragmentation has absolutely nothing to with compatibility between machines. I don't know where you got that from, but I wouldn't ever say that again. Your secret is safe with me though.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
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@MaestroDraven I'm not talking about disk fragmentation i'm talking about OS fragmentation, for example as seen in Android at the moment with tablet PC's and PC's that can do things that others can't, and multiple drivers that have to be downloaded from every other website... Also if you install Mac OS via parallels on a PC, well lets just say its not going to work very well or be compatible with the apple update service and the likes
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven You have zero understanding how PM-optimized macs are. Phoronix has nice article on w7 vs ubuntu vs mac energy efficency.
"Microsoft's intense layers of security." lol what layers? UAC which is half-arsed version of sudo? Quickest 0day vulnerability response from ms was 10 days. No X flag, lol. Pretty retarded ACLs implementation.
"Viruses and malware will always target the most predominant platform" This FUD is known since 2003.
lin545 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven "Cyber-crime is a billion dollar business, not kids fooling around." Is that the case why various stocks replaced their windows servers with *nix ones and google as prohibited using any ms-based system for all workers?
"Meanwhile, rootkits remain the #1 threat on the Mac platform, and none of them can be traced without proper software" Meanwhile rootkits are undetectable on any OS withouth external chroot - is that new to you? Rooting mac requires root password.
lin545 2 weeks ago
@lin545
No, it doesn't require a ROOT password :) 95% of Mac exploits don't require ROOT access. That is the horrible truth of things. Google Pwn2Own and do a little bit of light reading.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven I know p2o for rather long period of time. On day 3 they allow physical access to device, physical access always guarantee security breach because all they do is to make run code for priviledge escallation hole they found earlier. This means user HAS to do unlogical things and this is equal to giving root pwd away. Isn´t this the reason Fx has noscript installed? Also, win* have binary elements as plugins with no no-X file attributes as mentioned before.
lin545 2 weeks ago
@lin545
You can overcomplicate the issue all you want. Talk to Charlie Miller, one of the best hackers in the world, a former NSA security op........and a Mac lover to boot, who was the one said that most exploits on Mac don't require ROOT access to work. That is the inherent flaw of OSX. You can try to justify your argument any way you want. Pwn2own has already proved you wrong.several years in a row. Case closed.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@lin545
Pwn2Own and Charlie Miller have already proved you wrong. Miller is a Mac lover, by the way, and he was the one who said that most Mac exploits don't require ROOT access. I suppose you're telling me that you know more than one of the best hackers (and a former NSA security op) in the world? Show me your definitive proof, please. pwn2Own has given me several years worth.
Macs.
Fall.
First.
Every.
Time.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven "most Mac exploits don't require ROOT access." You seem to have problems with perception, mr enlightment magician BS? Miller is giving love to macs because he loves them and only working exploits utilize privilege escalation as first and only step. In order to achieve that, you need physical access to machine and proprietary binaries. 80% of PE were within Adobe Falsch which fails on every OS and 20% on Safari which lacks noscript capabilities.
lin545 2 weeks ago
@lin545
And yet Safari had the most exploits out of any browser on the market.
Safari = 60 vulnerabilities
Internet Explorer = 3 vulnerabilities
Chrome = Unhackable
Funny how Apple.....the supposed "most revolutionary tech company in the world" can't even button down security on their own browser. AWFUL!
And most Mac exploits don't require ROOT access, in case you didn't hear me the first two times. Nothing is going to change that. Nothing.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
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@MaestroDraven Chome unhackable AHAHA! That made my day! Cmmon fix memleaks first, k?
"And most Mac exploits don't require ROOT access, in case you didn't hear me the first two times. Nothing is going to change that. Nothing."
Yes, because those exploits were about priviledge escalation, in case you didn´t read my text either. In windows, you are owned by definition - you don´t even need physical access. Malware will replicate automatically - just add internet.
lin545 2 weeks ago
@lin545
If you needed physical access to the machine, then how are rootkits and keystroke loggers being installed remotely on Mac machines and allowing for customer's personal data and credit card info to be stolen? Did they break into the guy's house and install the software while he was asleep?
I smell something fishy! Or.....cheesy. As in swiss cheese. You know, ......full of holes.
If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
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@MaestroDraven "Did they break into the guy's house and install the software while he was asleep?" Most attack vectors invovle phishing and similar SE.
"I smell something fishy! Or.....cheesy. As in swiss cheese. You know, ......full of holes" That must be your windows box. You better update your AV definitions, which will mess network a bit but who cares, before they roll-out patches in 5 months. You never know.
lin545 2 weeks ago
i wish that happen to me
pedropaulo648 2 weeks ago
@pedropaulo648 hahaha me too :)
rawnhansen 2 weeks ago
...that everybody should note that what makes Apple better as a company & and as a manufacturer is their BUSINESS MODEL!! Microsoft's is based mainly on profits and flooding the market with their products, which they've done successfully for many years. Apple's probably on the way to this model, but for now, their quality products and success with the iPhone are what are keeping them afloat!
Dairemccg 2 weeks ago
@Dairemccg
Wrong. Apple's is based on profits. They don't care about you, only money. Why is it that Apple charges $750 to upgrade 6GB of RAM to 16GB of RAM in an iMac? Are they using excellent-grade RAM? Actually, no. It's Hynix RAM. By contrast, pack-leaders like OCZ and Corsair that make the best RAM in the business are offering 16GB packs for $200 bucks. Ouch! Yeah, Apple doesn't care about profit one bit :)
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
...analyse the business aspect of the two companies. Apple have been trailing Microsoft for many years, mainly due to their higher prices, and their poor business model. I think in my argument I've justified the price; if you want quality, go custom made. If a PC is custom made, then it'll probably run better too! Macs aren't perfect, but they're better looking and better made, for the most part, than the generic Toshiba, Acer, Sony and many other Microsoft-licensed companies. I think...
Dairemccg 2 weeks ago
Microsofts' website is certainly not the beaut that Apple's is. But that isn't really important.
I completely understand and empathise with people who use PCs. I used one for many years and I know, particularly from a commerce point of view, PCs are better, in terms of the software packages available, e.g. accounting software, etc. Most people would traditionally associate Macs with graphic design, artists, architects & engineers.
I'm not just saying Macs are better for no reason; one must....
Dairemccg 2 weeks ago
All you have to do is go to Apple & Microsofts respective websites: Apple understand that customer relations and helping the consumer are important to their reputation, whereas Microsoft have been a little slow to catch up on this point. Apple, for the most part, have an excellent customer support service over the phone, and were at lease a decade ahead of Microsoft on opening retail stores, which are key to maintained customer relations and for other, logistical matters.
Dairemccg 2 weeks ago
@Dairemccg
Microsoft ....again....doesn't make computers. Now let's check out ASUS, with the best warranty in the business that Apple can't HOPE to beat. If you sneeze on your Mac, chances are Apple will void your warranty.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
...many PATENTS they have over their products, which are invaluable to their innovation, especially with the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad. Microsoft have often spent many months in the court room, but for completely different reasons, mainly in their attempt to monopolise the web browser market. However this is mostly irrelevant. But it is clear to note that Microsoft certainly aren't as reputable as Apple, which are the "golden company", so to speak, of the technology world.
Dairemccg 2 weeks ago
@Dairemccg
It might surprise you that the touch screen technology used in iPhones and iPads was stolen by Fingerworks back in 2003. Woops :)
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven Nobody ever said that Apple invented these technologies, but do you seriously think that capacitive touch screen technology and its respective UI (ALL stolen from Apple) would be as advanced today without them? They are the only ones innovating in the sector, with microsoft thriving and making money off shitty PC's running bloatware all day. Yipee, CNET and IGN have independently bechmarked them as better than Macs!...
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven ...Do you honestly thing anyone is going to give a shit other than the anti-mac guys? Just because the benchmarks are worse doen't mean they are bad! You guys are clinging to the fact that PC's are both cheaper and more popular. Don't you see that that only makes apples devices more alluring?...
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven ...Exclusivity is everything! Would you rather sit in a coffee shop with a clunky laptop with a 3 hour battery vibrating away on the table making everybody deaf and keeping your coffee warm for you? Or would you rather sit there on a swanky macbook air, doing what you want, KEEPING OUT OF YOUR WAY! You are clinging to your benchmarks and at the end of the day the only one you're fooling is yourself...
taylorconor95 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95
Well, you tell me. The ASUS U-Series laptops have 10 hour battery lives. That's 3 more hours than APple's best. Plus they're just as lightweight...and they just coincidentally seem to have double power.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@taylorconor95 Do what you want? Like... gaming?
linkinscooter 2 weeks ago