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  • Smart guy. Too bad there aren't more people like him.

  • This video is a favorite on Haiti

  • Jean-Luc Mélenchon should be the next french president

  • this racist french female reporter compare tibetans with al qaida! this is some demonic madness! she should beheaded for make a such comparison!

  • @ageniusx187

    Watch the video again.

  • @MrStaxxy shut the fuck up and no, i don't need watch this shit again.

  • Thank you!! Raised some very good points about hypocrisy! And guys he is white too so lets not scream "the whites" although I can understand why you're angry..

  • @ThePerniciousTruth FUCK YOU ! FREE TIBET !!!!!

  • Open your eyes people. I'm french and I can tell you that this guy is a big crook. He is subversive only on topics which are safe for his career.

    He is a freemason and a demagogue. That's it.

  • @blugublu: as soon as you throw out "freemason" your validity is shot to shit.

  • @lukebccb

    You surely know absolutely nothing on the french history so please shut up.

    The presidential elections in France are just a question of money and powerful networks.

    In France, Freemasonry is one of them and it is totally opposed to the principle of democracy.

    Once you know that, there's absolutely no reason to believe that this guys talks with his heart. He talks according to what he thinks will propel him in his career.

  • @blugublu You are so wrong. The opposite of what he says is not only safe but also good for his career in France, but he dares to speak the truth.

  • @dilegentelectron

    Do you really think that Tibet is a burning issue in France ? Nobody cares at all. The president might just keep his mouth shut if he wants to make business with China but that's it.

    Rather, a very BURNING topic in France would be the israelo-palestinian conflict and here in France EVERYBODY keeps his mouth shut, including this impostor, because he knows how the french zionist lobby very powerful in France could kick his ass out of french politic.

    Enough said.

  • @blugublu that's your problem. shut up on China's internal affairs. Enough said.

  • @dilegentelectron

    The thing is that I said nothing on China, stupid.

    I talked about the guy that you idiot see as a hero.

  • @blugublu This video is obviously about China. And he speaks the truth which supports China. Some people don't allow that. He is a good person as far as we can see. Period.

  • @dilegentelectron

    And THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T SEE ENOUGH OF HIM TO JUDGE BECAUSE I KNOW HIM BETTER AND ENOUGH TO SAY THAT HE IS NOT A HERO, omg.

    You keep talking while you are obviously wrong. Just admit it and stop answering me with nothing but wind.

  • @blugublu I have never said he is a hero. You said that. I said he is good person as far as we can see. We don't care about how much you know him. Shut up on our internal affairs. Stop using our internal affair as bargain to manipulate China and keep China poor and weak. I don't give a fucking damn about how much you know him.

  • bravo, Mr Melonchon ! :)

  • Gros connard de pseudo socialiste ! populiste démago inculte !!

  • His Holiness has much admiration for what the CCP has done.

    It has raised 320 million people out of poverty.

    And it has abolished slavery, although I'm not entirely over the moon about it.

    Long Life His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama

    Dharamsala 25th July 1711.

  • @ CCP LAMA

    Its sad you've been brainwashed by communist party LIES and Propaganda.

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    How come

    Vast cities are being built across China at a rate of ten a year, but they remain almost uninhabited ghost towns ??? It's estimated there are 64 million empty apartments ???

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    Most Chinese are far to poor to buy an apartment...

  • @HumanRightsVideosT Most Chinese were starving a few decades ago so yes progress has been made.

  • @ what77777

    Pollution in China is running at 15% of GDP. Some people might call that progress.

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    At this point in time the World is heading for Environmental Destruction, but few people seem to realise it. They are far too busy trying to live the "good life".

  • @ CCP LAMA

    Free China from Slavery Factories in 2011.

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    Go back to China and enjoy losing all your rights ! ! ! ! ! !

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    Free Chinaaaaaaaaaaaa and Tibet

  • The Dalai Lama says the time has come for the US administration to accept the reality that it's game over.

    I am destined to live the rest of my sorrowful life as a beggar in Dharamsala.

    Tibet will remain a part of China and no one can do anything about it.

    His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama Dharamsala 22nd July 1711.

  • someone who calles "Chinese" a race, and sees poverty as genetics. I hold my pity on your ignorance.

  • HAHAHAHA, only dumb people would believe that the DaLaiLAma is right, hes just a slave owner who got kicked out by the Chinese government, so hes having a hissy fit, and the US is using him as a front to create problem for China, and start Racism against Chinese people. All who support DaLaiLama are Racists towards Chinese people. I think the Chinese people should teach them a fucken lesson.

  • @lppoqql never realized the "fact" that Chinese was a race? you made me laugh. educate yourself and come back.

  • @gaky0001 You also dont realize how stupid you are too? Go to school before you post here, dumb kids shouldn't be allowed to play on the computer. You probably came from a poor family, thats why your so dumb, bad genes.

  • Tibet has been part of China since thousand years ago. See, when Mongol conquered China, they drew the map of China included Tibet. And in Mongol history, they never had conquered Tibet, only China alone, and TIBET WAS ALREADY PART OF IT.

    How about FREE the north america and give back the land to Indian???

    How about FREE oceania and give back the land to Aborigin????

    Why French never talk about the human right of Indian and Aborigin???? HYPOCRITE?????????????

  • @halim181276

    Go on wikipedia.

    French exterior politics.

    You'll see they did, in the '80.

    Then american state lobby in france stopped this.

  • @halim181276

    They did talk of aborigins and indian.

    Stop failing please.

  • Quand on regarde une carte de la chine, il apparait évident que le tibet en fait partie...(une petite recherche sur les lois pratiquées au Tibet, sous la bénédiction du Dalaï-lama, ne serait pas de trop non plus)

    Tout ce cirque sert juste à diaboliser la Chine, grand ennemi de l'Empire...

  • Tibet is a fucking religious state. NO FUCKING RELIGIOUS STATE !!!!

  • FREE MY ASS MOTHERFUCKING WESTERNERS

    HAN NATION FUCK TIBETAN !!!!!!

  • Freedom for Tibet! Freedom for Tibet! Freedom for Tibet! Freedom for Tibet!

    Freedom for everyone! Except Mélanchon!

  • · I am often asked whether I truly believe this. The answer is not simple to give because my brain, which is not connected to my mouth, has slowed and my thoughts have become muddled. But as a 8 year old, although I am 75, when I consider my experience during this present life, and given my separatist beliefs, I have no difficulty accepting that I am spiritually, ideologically, and most probably genetically connected both to the US secret service and the US ruling clique of genocidal killers.

  • Isn't a brave French man an oxymoron? Do you want some Brie with your surrender? To be fair Brie is delicious, Trader Joe's and St. Andre's are excellent brands. I just stay away from our President's Choice garbage, and by "President's Choice" they don't mean Sarkozy.

  • French and egnlish are the biggest theives. During the 1800s they stole lot of things from china, viet, middle east, india etc..what are they talking about human rights...theives..

  • @methodman348 You forgot the Spanish and the Portuguese...

  • @TheMercilessEye

    yes..haha..forgot to note them too..

  • @methodman348

    The French say, "We will steal the cheeses!"

  • Melenchon is the best!!!

  • The problem with this man is that he hasn't eaten pork, the meat of the Gods! Perhaps he has eaten too many frogs!

  • French? Better stick to eating frogs and snails!

  • The guy makes incredibly GOOD VALID points and western WHITES are utterly naive (AND ESPECIALLY IGNORANT) about Tibet and the protesters REALLY made a bad case for themselves with what happened with the relayers but China should NOT have been the host of the Olympics in 2008 as China simply was not "developed" enough in 2008. 2008 was too early for China..... should have waited till 2020 or so but 2008 was definitely too early for China as host.

  • @lukebccb

    China has actually developed quite a bit. Shenzhen a few decades ago was only a fishing village, but today it has more people than New York City, a theme park with a world monument theme, has high-tech companies, and has its own stock exchange.

  • Man, this guy totally kicks arse.

  • To fight Communists, west world support all mess! I can't disagree with this. For those proud westerners, Chinese people are not suffering as you imagine. I found all common people in the world are manipulated by politicians or religious forces distorting facts and arousing hatred towards others. That is so pathetic. Maybe westerners feel superior when they say untruthful shit about China, that is why they cling to few bad news about China and selectively blind to those good news.

  • Jean-Luc Mélenchon is awesome :)

    Je vous remercie!

  • @wxhnvr

    he is so wrong

  • This French senator is awesome :)

  • Ask ANY WHITE westerner about the social, economical, political and cultural history and development of Tibet and ALL WHITE westerners will SCREAM "free tibet" in reply.

    Ask the WHITE westerner about the historical political situation involving Imperial China and IMPERIALIST Britain in COLONIAL India and the WHITE westerner will SCREAM "free tibet".....

  • @lukebccb

    ALL WHITE people are that ignorant? Really? ANY WHITE westerner will reply in the way you said? Maybe the racism and the hatred in your thoughts has become so obvious that you don't even see it anymore. (hint: racism works in any direction)

    And by the way: The western world has its flaws and a dark history. Granted: It's FAR from flawless. But at the moment it's still doing a hell of a lot better than the fascist military dictatorship in China. FACT.

  • @MasslRockss When you say China is a fascist military dictatorship, you are just as ignorant as the guy that says all whites are ignorant. Two ignorant people at each other creates the best stereotype for those other ignorant people in the world to follow. So, do everyone a favor, stop spreading hate.

  • @yuning83

    alright ... so would you please redefine my characterization of the chinese governent? I would be interested in your point of view.

    I'm really not willing to represent a certain side here, because I know that even the western governments are corrupt ... I was just saying that our "democracies" are still better than a party dictatorship that calls itself communist.

  • @MasslRockss What you define better doesn't mean others share your point of view. And nobody like someone else forcing an idea on them. The Tibetans hate the Chinese for forcing their culture and policies in Tibet, and the Chinese hate people like you telling them what freedom means and how to live their life according to your view of how it should be. You see the similarities here? Stop worrying about how others should be, instead voluteer your time at a shelter and feed the poor in your city.

  • @MasslRockss

    Haven't you heard from anti-racism workshops and classes that only white people can be racist? Power + Privilege = racism! As a white man I am ipso facto racist!

  • @lukebccb

    Agreed, most westerners simply shout 'free tibet' for the sake of shouting something to make their lives seem more 'meaningful'... it's pathetic yet funny.. it's like 'free LGBT', 'free marijuana', 'free guantanamo', and the lastest: "Occupy Wall Street"~~~

  • mr jean luc melenchon, i am really appreciate you standing up and speak it out for chinese, 謝謝你!

  • That is a son of a B****

  • well if i would like to hear about the Truth(very manipluative term in first place), i wouldn not listen to some senator, or other cunny politician, but maybe read some scientific reasearch, and mostly listen to the voice of indegenous people, that is tibetans, which is almoust impossible these days. You will not get close to reality thourgh mainstream media, be it biased western or censored chinese.

  • the truth is always suppressed by power

  • Men like him is the reason why the French enjoys much more personal freedoms than Americans.

  • dalai lama is a CIA spy paid for destabilyzing China, that s all.

    Tibet is chinese since 13th !

  • There are absolutely no western geo-political interests served by a free Tibet, about which in any case, the western governments do not support or are neutral.

    What I care about is the dishonor that China carries by its misunderstanding of this issue. How can China function if it lacks basic humility? Oh, please say this of any other government!! It is certainly true, as the Dalai Lama would tell you before anything else.

    The greater Truth is this:

    Tibetans want to be Tibetans.

  • the west is using divide and conquer to sabotage china. this is not about tibet, this is about china. if the west is not using tibet issue to instigate conflicts within china, then dalai lama and tibetans are irrelevant to the west, means usless.

  • @GARNETSODA Quit being naive. The West is far from innocent. Severing China is one geo-political interest right there, not to mentions a plethora of other indirect benefits. What misunderstanding? The Chinese leadership understand this clearly. Don't try to mock their ability and diligence. I'm not sure what you're getting at with "Tibetans want to be Tibetans."

  • @liebstandarteadolf

    UNTIL 50 years ago Tibetans had no consciousness of being part of China.

    They still don't. Tibet is an ancient autonomous civilization. The whole misunderstanding derives from a long diplomatic arrangement by which Tibet's foreign affairs were conducted through the Chinese Imperial court. In other words, the Chinese emperor was their ambassador. There was never at any time an idea that this made them a part of China. They consistently protested any sign contrary.

  • @GARNETSODA They have always had the "consciousness". There is not reason to suggest that Tibetans in Tibet don't recognise China as their country. Exiled Tibetans and their decendents are another story altogether. They're the ones seen among pro-Tibetan independence demonstrations, or perhaps I should've said "you"? Ancient history is moot, as we'll be incredulous to one another's sources.

  • @liebstandarteadolf Your statements are light of truth. Tibetans recognize Tibet as their country of which China is an illegal occupier. China finds no evidence to the contrary because all their evidence is Chinese evidence. There are many signs in the Earth that testify to this. Let Tibetans choose--free of any coercion. History cries out. It haunts your bones. Whoever you are.

    If I am an advocate, it is of small countries. Small countries, small armies. Soft borders, soft miseries.

  • @GARNETSODA Nope, only those deluted decendents of Tibetans in exile think so. There are countless Western hard copy books written in the 20th century that attest to China's sovereignty over Tibet. Free of coersion you say. There is none in the first place, misinformation at best. But, then I'd rather choose the lesser of 2 evil by letting China misinform the Tibetans rather than having the West and the exiled Tibetans do so.

  • @liebstandarteadolf No accurate Western history of the area attests to China's sovereignty because that was never the case. Other than a few years now and then, mostly during the Ch'ing Dynasty, even China never claimed sovereignty. That was never the case. Only something like a protectorate status. Sources saying otherwise are being glib about a basic fact about a country they don't have to care about because it's been small and weak over the last century.

  • @GARNETSODA Most books published in the 20th century show Tibet as a part of China. I'll refrain from further debates over ancient history as we'll begin to invalidate each other's sources. However ancient histroy isn't needed in this case. International laws dealing with cession and such is simply a guise to justify stronger nations imposing their world order on other nation. Again, it's not an intrinsic set of attributes the Earth was created with.......a), continue in part b)

  • @GARNETSODA part b) So until China ratified said laws, China were not bound by these laws, and your "protectorate status", pulled from these Western laws certainly didn't pertain to Empirical China. When China did adopt these international laws, she was under the government of Republic of China who still lays claim on Tibet today. So, 1.PRC didn't invade Tibet 50 years ago. 2. Ancient history is open to interpretation, but it doesn't count squt.

  • @GARNETSODA However a few facts in the recent history form the basis of my judgement. During the Cultural revolution, Tibetan red guards were Tibetans. Ethnic Tibetans hold all kinds of government jobs including civilian officials and military officers. Clearly, the mindset of the general Tibetan populations is contrary to that your sweeping statement suggests.

  • @liebstandarteadolf

    It's easy to get Tibetan supporters--make them yourself!! :  Take Tibetan children to where they will be well-schooled, well-fed and learn the ways of the humane Chinese. Promise jobs in service to China & to their homeland! Smile!

    The relevant history you've been given is a reduction of various polemically-arranged rhetorical finials which gratefully fixes the stars in the sky in a convenient way.

    It ignores the basic fact that Tibetans would prefer to be who they are.

  • @GARNETSODA Yes, that's certainly a better way to gain support than enslaving them. Even if there is this ulterior motive behind these welfare, what do the Tibetans stand to lose?Nothing. It doesn't ignore anything. Without promising all that much the Tibetans were fervently devoted to Mao. People don't have an inherent set of believes as you make it be. What people want are always influenced by their environs. You're merely imposing your own preference unto their choice.

  • Human rights, just like any thoughts or truth, is, in some ways, selective.

    people only believe what they want to believe. if any other truth does not support their opinion, most simply ignore it

    Is there any problem in Africa? Definitely.

    Is there any problem in China? Of course.

    Is there any in America? Yes.

    Legitmacy aside, the story most people hear about tibet is really one sided, yet they draw the conclusion against China.

    Fairness should be not selective.

  • @vvin732 I support you, and thanks for being logical at the issue of TIBET

  • @vvin732 I support you, and thanks for being logical at the issue of TIBET

  • @vvin732: human right is just an equipment the U.S. uses to fish for its interests!!!

  • @ vvin732

    There aren't that many problems in NZ.

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    Do you really think the communist party is doing a great job in Tibet or China ???

  • @HumanRightsVideosT

    they are terrible but they are still better than the monk and KMT before them. one has to realized that China is still a fairly young republic and to reach where it is now in term of human right, it not a model example but it is hardly bad. I have more problem with their transparency and legal system than human right, for example their affirmative action is comparable to the US (but I think the US one suck too, but it is progress).

  • @ akinkhoo

    To learn the TRUTH about State TERRORISM in the PRC please watch the video evidence on this important video which is only 88 seconds long

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    Tibet: Murder In The Snow Trailer

    @ watch?v=LYN-mzRLABg

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    which shows the murderous border security in action in Tibet

  • @HumanRightsVideosT if you think you can do a better job. make a proposal please. china is building infrastructure and giving incentives to people in tibet. i absolutely agree that the government has to be more transparent and it is indeed going towards that direction because as more people join middle class, they want their voices to be heard. this is something even the CCP cannot prevent. what you are asking is an overnight change which is impossible and naive to even ask for

  • @ vivspring

    When China becomes DEMOCRATIC someone with a brain will end up in power.

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    Apparently Mao killed the intellectuals in China. Its no wonder that China and Tibet are in a mess right now.

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    Free China and Tibet

  • @HumanRightsVideosT extremist mind like you are the real terrorist

  • Currently in India, Tibetans who worship Dorje Shugden are threatened, some in life and death situation.

    They can not have a job, many Tibetan shops in India forbid Dorje Shugden believers.

    Google and Youtube have lots of Dalai Lama persecuting Dorje Shugden stories. Because of Dalai Lama ban on this sect, worshipper of this sect around world are threatened and live in fear

  • kill whitey!

  • And interesting you mention tibetan wants independence. Have you visited all tibetan? all you see is just those overseas begging for their own benefit to slave the majority tibetan only!! Go visit n find out... most overseas tibetan were master of those slave tibetan or being brain washed while borned and educated somewhere else without visiting homeland ever. Whereelse doesnt have pal seeking independence even in US... u want me introduce you to some of them that wants independence from US?

  • @ fungkpm

    If Tibetans were serfs or slaves they wouldn't have risen up many times after the communist invasion which began in 1949-50.

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    Free China from Slavery Factories in 2011.

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    Free Tibet and China from backward communist party polices in 2011.

  • Allez Melenchon!!!! super!

  • I agree just because china spends billions and billions of dollars helping tibetans they also abolished the tibetan feudalism system they are abusing huh?

  • advice you take a look in Tibet before you make any false statements and claims... China destroy Buildings and temples? destructed in tibet? Tibet is a part of China, will you go to burn texes because you are from NYC? This is really a joke like Chinese claiming American killed all indies without visiting there. (In fact its a matter of fact!) Based on the truth please. This is very nonsense and showing your stereotyping on China and racist!! Mr Eternalricemuncher!!

  • @fungkpm Maybe they confused Tibet with Agfhanistan...where Buddhist temples WERE indeed destroyed- by the Taliban.

  • then give your arguments proving that he is wrong or bribed.

  • Sino-Japanese Journalist Exchange Agreement ( 互换记者的会谈纪要)

    1 Japanese government shall not take a hostile view toward China.

    2 Japan shall not follow the United States and the conspiracy of creation of two China which the United States contrives. We definitely disagree with Japan's subserviency.

    3 The development toward the normalization of bilateral relations between China and Japan will not be interfered.

  • how much was this guy paid to utter this nonesense

  • you just got paid by cia for your lunch now for saying something to support the tibetans.

  • No I am expressing my disgust at Chinese violence against Tibetans for free.

  • You arent being open minded. Is it too hard to accept that anything said for China could be counted as actual fact?

    This man based all his arguments on real events. Hes not lying to you, hes stating facts and connecting them into arguments that make so much sense, Im surprised other politicians havent noticed. Maybe you need to examine your own morals. Chinese violence? At least blame the government, not the innocents who were actually murdered by Tibetans first.

  • First of all, this guy does not support CCP, he suggested talk about wrong doing of CCP but not China as a nation.

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    Secondly, which words he said is wrong??  please point out specifically~

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    Thirdly, i, myself, in Toronto Canada have seen white guys got paid to support Tibet. how would you comment that??????

  • You have NEVER seen "white guys" paid to support Tibet.

  • hahahaha~

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    u r just a brainwashed DOUBLE STAND shit head~  so the Senator got paid, but white guy NEVER got paid??? is that ur mind set????

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    let me clear things out. in Toronto, in front of Chinese Consulate, there r ppl handing out anti-CCP flyers very day. n one day when i was passing by, i hear a Chinese guy "assigning" "working schdule" to a white guy, and that guy looks so crapy for me.

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    that's my personal experience, whether u believe or not, it's totally up to you!!

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    hahaha~

  • seems u look so uneducated, let me give u more lessons.

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    in Hong Kong, at most of the tourism areas, there r always ppl handing out anti-CCP flyers, n it's been a "OPEN SECRET" to all H.K citizens that, those ppl got paid to do it.

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    it hurts u, and u don't want to believe this. but just ask any ppl from H.K, if u r desperate to get money but don't have a job, u can just join the "handing flyer" job, n they pay u well --- it doubles H.K's minium salary.

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    so~ deal with the truth, dude~

  • You are contradicting yourself. You said you saw people being paid in Toronto. Now you are seeing people being paid in HK. I have to admit that me mentioning a payment issue seems to have pushed your buttons. Me thinketh that he doth protest too much.

  • i think u didn't pay attention.

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    i gave u two replies earlier, first one is what happenning in Toronto, and second one is what's happenning in H.K.

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    check ur email and replies on youtube carefully first.

    mentioning H.K is just to give me another example, i don't see any contradiction here.

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    all i want to say is my proof of "get paid" is stronger than yours.

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    u just think the Sentator got paid, and i think you "think" too much.

  • DON'T PU US IN THE SAME POT AS CCP

  • Please tell me you're joking. What have you to say against his arguments?

  • @jacintat explain to me what kind of nonsense did you mean, let's discuss and debate

  • listen to me, all you french guys.

    THERE IS NO SNAILS IN TIBET. CAUSE TIBET IS LACK OF THE FUCKING OXYGEN.

    so live tibet alone. there is no national resource which you want. you greedy hypocratical barbarians

  • CCTVNBCBBCNHK, can you tell me when in the video he talked about national ressources? He's talking about historical facts to defend China against this boycott propaganda under the olympic games! And it's his right to talk about Tibet! And please stop with this stupid "snail" stereotype! Culture won't hurt you!

  • Hi, did you know that the numbers of the Beast were drawn on Obama's election night in his State ? The State website carries it on a video. Check out my page at the main video, I've put it there.

  • La plupart des Tibétains n'ont jamais vécu sous le régime du Dalaï Lama et n'ont jamais été à leur précieux tibet. Le peuple tibétain ne seraient pas mieux lotis libre, parce qu'ils n'ont pas les moyens de subvenir à leurs besoins économiques.

  • dkh1786, Les tibétains en exile possèdent un gouvernement démocratiquement élu, vis à vis duquel ils semblent satisfaits.

    "Leur précieux Tibet" est colonisé et sinisé, ce qui est de l'entière responsabilité du Régime totalitaire chinois. Enfin, le Tibet est viable économiquement et ait actuellement pillé exclusivement au seul profit des Hans qui y récupèrent la matière première à moindre coùt et revendent, après transformation, avec de gros profits.

  • What would we expect from a self-proclaimed socialist? He's only sticking up for his brothers in arms, the Chinese communists. What an idiot and a disgrace to France.

  • you are an idiot and a disgrace to the entire human being who is so extreme and stupid.

  • What do you French know about human rights. You're human right is call "selective rights". Because when so call president Marcos setup the corrupted dictatorship in the Philipine. No one did a thing about it. For 20+ years the philipino suffered. If it wasn't for the people power. Marcos will still be in power. All this happended under the US watchful eyes, one of the champion of democracy.

  • Sad to say, you're right about that. I am American and believe the U.S. let Marcos stay in power for way too long. Marcos and his family robbed the Filipino people. I know this as I've been to the Phils and saw some examples of it. If they could have done it, they would have finished building that palace in the sky that's in Tagatay. Of course I'm sure they would have put statues of themselves in there, maybe with blinking lights.

  • oh shit this guy is unstopable! ROFL!!! He's the man, and what he said is absolutely right!

  • M. Mélenchon vos propos montrent votre manque de connaissance sur le sujet du Tibet.

    Votre naïveté (?) est consternante et vous perdez toute crédibilité politique en défendant le totalitarisme du gouvernement chinois. Je vous conseille malgré tous de vous rapprocher des parlementaires français (toutes tendances confondues) qui font un remarquable travail pour la cause juste du Tibet. Notamment a été édité par le Sénat 3 dossiers sur ce sujet. Eclairant.

  • C'est toi qui est naif et ignorant. When Deng Xiaoping visited the US in 1979, all western media said nothing about tibet, Jimmy carter said nothing too, the american NGO's said nothing too. Check Time archive available online of the 12th Feb 1979 edition i.e the week following Deng visit. You will see nothing absolutely NOTHING about Tibet. Dalai Lama was completely ignored in his cave in India.

  • .../.. As Melenchon said you cannot be selective in your criticism otherwise you just prove you are a hypocrite. I ask you one Q - can u name me one dissident of saudi arabia. It would be the same answer if 25 years ago i asked you where is Tibet

  • Bonjour Passport0001. Pour aller dans votre sens, en effet il n'y a pas que la Chine comme pays totalitaire. Mais, le Tibet, a devant lui le plus gros pays totalitaire du monde. Or, les propositions du gouvernement tibétain en exile me paraissent plus prometteur de Paix dans cette partie du monde que les visées expansionnistes de la Chine impériale. Dans le bouddhisme il y a 3 poisons : l'avidité, la haine et l'ignorance. Il faut aider la Chine à suivre une cure. Fraternité.

  • Ta reponse n'explique pas pourquoi les occidentaux ( les media, les politicines et les soit disant defenseurs des droits humains) ont ignore Dalai lama avant 1989. ,

  • Bonsoir Passport0001. Avant de répondre à cette question "pourquoi 1989 ? ". Réagissons à "soit disant defenseurs des droits humains". En France certains, pour décrédibiliser les défenseurs des droits humains, emploi le néologisme "Hommisme". Lorsque vous utilisez "soit disant" vous agissez de même. Or dans l'histoire humaine le respect de la vie et la tolérance vis à vis des autres sont présents depuis très longtemps : toutes les religions en parlent.

  • J'attends ta reponse a la question "pour quoi avant 1989, on parle presque pas du Tibet.." T'as bien recu le URL de archive Time du 12th Feb 1979. Alors tes commentaires sur cette edition special sur la Chine ou on parle ABSOLUMENT RIEN du Tibet.

  • Bonjour Passport0001. Quel âge aviez vous en 1911 à la fin de l'Empire Mandchou ? en 1914 (conférence de Simla qui définit la frontière entre l'Inde, le Tibet et la Chine) ? en 1950 lors de l'invasion du Tibet par la Chine ? en1959 (Révolte populaire anti chinoise et exil du Dalaï Lama) ? pendant la révolution culturelle ? en 1989 (Loi martiale à Lhassa suite aux protestation anti-chinoise et place tienanman ? désolé mais je n'ai pas lu le Time

  • ".... desole je n'ai pas lu le Time (du 12 feb 1979...) Ca veut dire que tu n'as aucune explication pour justifier pouquoi las classe politique, le media et les ONG se taisent a propos de dalai lama et le tibet avant 1989. Peut etre meme avant 1989 toi et la grande majorite des francais et occidentaux n'ont jamais entendu parler du Tibet

  • Tintin au Tibet (Hergé) = 1960, remarquez il y a aussi "Tintin et le Lotus bleu" plus ancien, complètement pro-chinois et anti impérialisme japonais. En 1977, Cosey débutait sa série "Jonathan" l'action s'y déroule au Tibet avec les Khampas contre l'APL, magnifique. Donc en 89 vous n'étiez pas né. Quelqu'un vous a-t-il parlé des événements de la place Tien'namen ?

  • The last time I read Tintin I was 10 years old.  I remember little. Once I read some excerpts of "Tintin aucongo in an African neuspaper and the comments that follow. The comments to which I agree. Tintin au Congo - c'est du racism. I think it tis the same for many Tintin comics.

  • En fait Hergé était paternaliste : Dans "Tintin au Congo" Tintin c'est le "bon" colon paternaliste qui prétend apporter la civilisation aux autochtones. Un peu comme les chinois au Tibet ;-)

    Tintin au Tibet = 1960. Tintin = culture-loisirs de masse, donc à priori en occident a cette période (années 60) l'occidental connait le Tibet. Certainement aussi par les récits des expéditions pour l'escalade des sommets de cette région du monde.

  • ".. Visee expantionistes..." N'importe quoi ! -  Centuries before european colonisation,"totalitarian" China had the military capablity to conquer and dominate the world, but they did not.

  • Les visées expansionnistes sont pourtant évidentes si on observe une carte géographique : Tibet, Ouïghours, Mongolie (dite "intérieure" !) Vietnam, Corée du nord, Birmanie, Népal, Pakistan et puis sur le continent africain : Darfour, Algérie, Mali... Généralement le commentaire c'est : "le passé colonial des pays occidentaux" "l'Irak", ma réponse : je suis aussi contre ces expansionnismes. Fraternité anti-coloniale.

  • Je vais pas discuter sur tibet, xinjiang et mongolie Mais je te demande Pour quoi tu ne demande pas a tes cousins nord americains de deguerpir du continent. Est-ce que vous croyerz superieurs et a plus droits que le reste du monde.

  • Re bonsoir Passport0001. "Je ne vais pas discuter sur le Tibet, ni les Ouïghours, ni la Mongolie" Pourquoi ? C'est pourtant le sujet de l'intervention du sénateur Mélenchon. Le racisme et le sentiment de supériorité de beaucoup de Hans vis à vis de ces communautés est pourtant intéressant à observer.

    Sinon, je n'ai pas de lien de parenté avec des américains. Enfin, je n'ai pas écrit que je sois supérieur etc... ?! Mais vous même n'êtes vous pas un peu raciste ?

  • Quoi tu veux dire maintenent que tu as des lien parentes avec les Chinois ou Chinois Tibetans.. c'est pourquoi ce sujet te preoccupe plus que le sort des indigenes du continent nord americain,.

  • Oui, j'ai un lien de parenté avec le Tibet.

    Mais par ailleurs la lutte des amérindiens aux Amériques (nord et sud), est intéressante. Les Amérindiens ont été et sont les Mongoles, les Tibétains et les Ouïghours des Amériques.

  • tu sais faire rire.

    "les amerindiens ont ete et sont les mongols...blah blah.." Mais pas pour autant tu va reclamer le departs de tes cousins.

  • Et donc vous êtes incapable de penser qu'une personne qui trouve juste la cause tibétaine puisse aussi trouvée fondée la cause des amérindiens d'Amérique du nord et du sud.

    Vous confondez votre personne physique avec un territoire géographique et politique sans jamais vous posez la moindre question sur la légitimité de ce pouvoir politique et du hasard de votre naissance à cet endroit précis du monde. Remarquez c'est confortable ! A demain.

  • Alors que fais tu pour la cause des amerindiens. Pour tu ne leur dis pas a tes cousind=s de foutre le camp. Cesses ton hypocrisie.

  • Et quoi encore sur le vietnam, birmanie. Cdu Nord, Pakistan. Est-ce ce sont les avions Chinois qui bombardent les soit disants bases terroristes au pakistan

    Les conflits en Afrique sont les resultats du colonialism Francais, Anglais, Belge ect. Et quoi encore sur l'Algerie - vous me direz peut etre que les Chinois ont teste une bombe atomique la bas.

  • En faite vous êtes le miroir de ce que vous dénoncez...

  • ."... vs faites le mirroir de ce que vous denoncez.."

    Tu rigoles - Que ce soit des "les droits humains", la pollution, l'emission des gaz carbon, les essais nucleaires, les occidentaux aiment denoncer les autres alors que eux meme sont les plus grands coupables.

    " Fais ce que je te dis ne fais pas ce que je fais.." - voila comment on peut decrire votre arrogance vis a vis les autres peuples du monde.

  • "vous êtes le miroir de ce que vous dénoncez..." Il faut comprendre dans cette phrase "vous" = Passport0001.

    Je n'ai pas l'impression que vous lisiez beaucoup mes propos... Peut-être l'incompréhension de la langue. En effet, je n'ai pas l'impression d'être arrogant dans mes propos. Mais, si vous vous sentez blessé, je m'en excuse.

  • Tu fais mine de pas comprendre ma reponse.