11/6/2009 Peter Schiff On The Glenn Beck Show : Fannie Mae Implements Deed-For-Lease Program

[TheAmyknows]

these 3 are a breath of sanity and rationality in a country where the government is incompetent and catapulting america to bankruptcy. how did this happen?? you couldnt come up with a scarier movie

[auctionmusic]

Deed for lease is no cakewalk...

You must have failed or denied a loan modification...

You must pay market rent on the property..and 31% of your gross income must be equal to or greater than the fair market rent you'll be paying..

You cannot have a second or third mortgage on the property.

You lose ownership of the property completely...

[adulamunda]

"I can make a lot more if I'm working with a bulldozer rather than digging with a shovel." Well that's great, Mr. candidate, but who's the lucky shovel worker who gets to operate the bulldozer?

[florgat91]

Gerald Chelente !

[painisanillusion7]

"these are government lies" hahaha

[wachman]

i wish all 3 of them were at the continental congress

[BerkeleyBayArea510]

PETER SCHIFT!!!!

[john5246]

god how old is this video? get with the program

[mike6459]

John has aged very well

[jfcrow1]

Fix Toilets HA AH HA HA HA. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

[khattamshud]

END IMMIGRATION NOW!!!

[judoyodan]

The guy in the middle is retarded.

[elboertjie]

Find out who he is and what he stands for, you'll change your tune VERY quickly...

[judoyodan]

lol...Andy Napolitano? Puhlease....you've got to be kidding.

He is nothing more than a tea bagger in a nice suit.

[elboertjie]

What do you mean by tea bagger?

You mean he is someone protesting what the government is doing? Meaning he is a patriot?

What is wrong with this?

[judoyodan]

You know..."tea bagger" the people you see decrying socialism all the while enjoying their medicare, police and fire protection, roads, education, military etc etc.

tea baggers...the people that think Obama was born in Kenya.

tea baggers...the people that profess their christian values, yet want to refuse health care for everybody. Usually the same christians that think torture is acceptable.

tea baggers...incapable of understanding article 1, section 8 of the US Constitution.

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[MrMP81]

Judoyodan:

Medicare, police, etc was put on without knowledge, even today people don't fully comprehend how they work, except for medicare. Mentioning Military is wrong, no one opposed that.

As for Obama, it still hasn't been show of his Birth Certificate, Certificate of Live Birth isn't the same but this isn't something I lose sleep over.

Universal Healthcare, while in a utopian society can work and is alright, in reality, it's done through forcing others to abide = Hence, unjust.

[MrMP81]

As for Article 1 Section 8: You should read it a little more clearly. " To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures "

NOT PRINT MONEY

And by the way, The Tea Bag movement was started by the 9-11 truthers, then with Ron Paul followers, not Faux.

Faux, being the Fascists they are (exceptions of Napolitano and 1 or 2 ) saw an opposing force since the GOP lost, latched onto it and made it theirs, like the pieces of trash they are.

[MrMP81]

"The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States"

This was defined in I think 2 court cases I can find for you if you need me to.

This applies to Corporate Gains & Profits NOT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.

[judoyodan]

MrMP81,

My point is that the military, police, fire dept., medicare, roads, schools(k-12) etc. are ALL socialized programs. Hell, even legal protection is provided via socialization.

And you're going to tell me that the richest country in the world has enough money to fight aggressive foriegn wars but not enough to provide basic health care as a right to it's citizens???

Every other country does it. Are they better than us? I don't think so.

[ExquisiteDoom]

You're actually better than them by not letting a violent institution control you and subjugate you to it's will. Freedom solves just about any problem, it's about time people realize violence is not constructive in any possible way; legality in no means equals virtue, legality is all about hijacking that which a few owns, and bribing the poor with it ,to attempt to legitimize itself. all that by destroying wealth. Governments are separating us, turning us against each other, while it grows.

[MrMP81]

The Police, Fire Dept, Roads, etc. are local. They get funded by the Fed but are maintained locally, so they work more efficiently. I still don't support it with the Federal Level but thats another story.

Schools, right, look how well they're doing lol

You're right about the spending on wars but not healthcare. But other countries aren't empires like ours is. That's still no excuse for not having it but why I oppose it is for the fundamentals because u have to force people not for anything els

[Invirtuo]

@judoyodan America wouldn't be the wealthiest country in the world if it had things like socialized medicine. It would be a moribund backwater like France

[judoyodan]

lol...we are not going to be the "wealthiest country in the world" for long.

Part of the reason is that we cannot compete with our employer based health care model.

Health care needs to be socialized not only for moral reasons, but for economic ones, as well.

I'm as free market as any of you. But you have to realize that we do not have a "free market" in any way regarding our health care system.

[dannidandannikins]

@judoyodan

A person who can say in the same post that he supports socialised medicine and that he is 'as free market of any of you'. Is a person with whom it is not necessary to argue. You have declared for all to see that you don't know the meanings of the words you use.

If you truly support free markets then you do so for moral reasons. That means that when someone proposes socialised anything you oppose it for moral reasons, the economics is actually secondary to the morality.

[judoyodan]

dannidandannikins,

And you clearly don't understand the meaning of the word "irony".

You say you wouldn't argue with me, and then pose an argument to me. Maybe "hypocrisy" would be a better word.

Free market mechanisms only work if either party can walk away from the deal without a significant deleterious effect.

This is NOT the case with health care insurance.

[dannidandannikins]

I am fully familiar with the word irony. The error you have made is in assuming that the argument I presented was for your benefit. It was not. I do not care to argue with you because you don't make enough sense to argue with. I'd have to spend half of each message explaining to you the meaning of your own comments; and I honestly can't be bothered.

[judoyodan]

dannidandannikins,

Since you are having trouble understanding me, I will try to speak s-l-o-w-e-r for you.

I'm sure eventually, you'll get a clue.

[Nexus974]

I'm curious. What is the moral justification for nationalizing the health care industry?

[judoyodan]

The "moral justification"?

Sounds like you are wanting to argue mechanism rather than "morality", as the answer to your question is blatently obvious to anyone with an once of humanity.

[NoisemakerArrow]

Hey, get off my lack of compassion. Everyone should pay for themselves. YOU care so much about the less fortunate, YOU pay for them. I'm not gonna. Cry me a river.

[judoyodan]

noisemaker,

Fortunately, most of society is not composed of assholes like you.

[NoisemakerArrow]

No, it's composed of idiots like you. You support tyranny and theft and you call me an asshole? Idiot.

[judoyodan]

Noisemaker,

Why so angry? You should try to get out of your mom's basement once in awhile.

And before you start to lie about being a highly succesful business person living in a mansion on the beach, try looking up the word "odious".

[NoisemakerArrow]

Haha, your original insults only prove that you're an idiot as I have already stated.

[NoisemakerArrow]

So the government can run it as efficiently as it does the wars on drugs, terror, and literacy.

[informedskeptic]

@judoyodan

Can you list any program that the gov't runs that they don't lose large sums of money on? Didn't think so.

[judoyodan]

informedskeptic,

Maybe you didn't read, or understand my previous posts. I am not a big government person. It is far too big and expensive.

The problem with our health care system is the inherrant conflict of interrest between the insurers and the "insured". It is a model that will not work unless ou are willing to watch people suffer and die in the streets needlessly. Then you can kiss goodbye any fabric of society.

A medicare buy-in is the best idea on the table.

[informedskeptic]

We both know Medicare isn't properly funded now. Our unfunded liabilities are over $100 trillion and you want to add to it. Gov't must shrink drastically. Look at Greece's situation. We'll be there soon.

Life isn't fair, but people aren't dying in the streets. Socialized medicine has very big problems on their own. No innovation, rationing, etc. Bluntly, I don't trust the gov't to run anything.

Health insurance should be purchased the same way we purchase any other commodity.

[judoyodan]

Health care is NOT like any other commodity. If you don't understand those dynamics, then this discussion is pointless.

The "medicare buy-in plan" would be self funding, as the people under 65 would pay monthly to get medicare coverage. There are sveral benefits to this idea and we should adopt it ASAP. Rep. Alan Grayson has a bill, H.R. 4789, that does just that. I suggest you research it.

[informedskeptic]

If healthcare is self-unfunded, why do we need the gov't to be involved? The gov't needs to end its exception to the commerce clause allowing states to block competition across state lines. This would allow people to buy plans that meet their individual needs. For example, I do not need or want abortion coverage for my family. Why should I be forced to buy it? Perhaps, I just want coverage for just large medical expenses. I'm currently locked into my employers plan with no options. Why?

[informedskeptic]

I additionally noticed you never addressed the financial aspect of Medicare, Medicaid, the deficit, the inefficiency of gov't run programs. Do you have an answer or do you just bury your head in the sand?

[judoyodan]

"sel-unfunded"...what the hell does that mean?

Anyways, the bottom line is that there will have to be major changes to the medicare program in the years to come. Funding it on it's current course is impossible. (i.e. my 90 year old grandma might not be able to get that new hip that she didn't really want to begin with).

Maybe it's not such a good idea to allow doctors to have a financial interest in expensive diagnostic services. etc.

These are all part of the solution.

[informedskeptic]

Alright typo. S/h/b "self-funded".

Do you think doctors forced that hip replacement on grandma? I agree with you on funding, but funding should be slowly reduced over time. Doing so, however amounts to political suicide. Tort reform has to be a part of the solution as well. Look at Edwards famous cerebral palsy case. Look at breast implants. In hindsight, an unintended joke, sorry. Sure fraud reduction is part of the equation too.

[judoyodan]

Our system of employer based health insurance distances the patient from the cost loop. That 3rd party distance gives the patient no incentive to economise, look for the best offer etc.

If we took the burden off of employers they would be able to produce their goods and services at a lower cost, making them more competitive on a global scale. Higher employment would ensue.

If we incentivised people to be more conservative with their health care, the cost curve would come down.

[judoyodan]

In answer to your question, I will take "government inefficiency" over corporate greed ANY DAY!

Medicare has a 3% overhead cost. It is 30 to 40% in the private sector.

It is an inherrant conflict of interest to have a company responsible for health care when it only makes money if it doesn't give out said care. It is an unworkable model fundementally.

The medicare buy-in represents the best solution, combined with an incentive to involve the public in the cost loop.

[informedskeptic]

Now you're showing your true colors. I thought you weren't a "big gov't person". Baloney. Please show the source of your numbers, as I think it's pure nonsense. Having worked for the gov't, I can tell you efficiency is the last thing on their mind. Did you know the biggest percentage of rejections of coverage come from Medicare? Profit margins of insurance companies run about 4%. Hardly greedy and if we allowed competition companies would be less likely to get away with it.

[judoyodan]

informedskeptic,

You are missing the point. Again. The system we have is flawed from the start. It will not work no matter how much "tort reform" and "competition" is adopted. The system is flawed FUNDAMENTALLY.

Every other developed country, and some "devolping" countries, have realized this. The vast majority of them have a better functioning systems than us, to differing degrees. We even spend twice what the nearest country does on care per capita. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

[ChrisMeerkat]

When will Americans realize that their wealth goes straight to offshore banking cartels via the federal Reserve.... America simply BORROWS its wealth back off of these cartels at interest thru The Federal Reserve....So.... Since The Federal Reserve Act U have only had credit from banks.... The sooner u get your heads around that the sooner u will begin to see what this world wide pantomime really is!!! This is why they have destroyed your constitution... U guys really need to wake up...

[sk8raz2k1]

Like forcing ppl to abide to a military draft is unjust? or forcing people to pay a tax is unjust?

[wunderbeast]

what are you talking about??

[Shaunt1]

@judoyodan You are an idiot! I don't know about them all but these three people understand that government is the problem and freedom is the solution. If you don't understand that, you have a lot to learn.

[judoyodan]

Shaunt1, I've forgotten more than you'll ever know.

[chiyerano]

The government in the rental business and as landlord? Scary.

[ojciec2]

Not whole thing?