perhaps YOU are this "God" and you are just doing a really shitty job of things! we must hold ourselves responsible.
Smarten up! I am speaking from love.
Don't play the games of the world as it is presented to you. Rebel. be a jedi. pray for divine guidance from that which you can not yet understand, and STRONG ATHEISM IS LOGICAL, a logical stepping stone on the path to knowing thy self!
actually you are incorrect not all of those people are not stating their beliefs the ones in the first half are saying they don't believe in something for which there is no evidence and the ones in the second half are saying they do believe in something for which there is no evidence. the logical side is pretty obvious.
however even if they were both beliefs, atheism would be a singular belief not a belief system.
It's not that I believe there is no god. It is that I do not believe there is a god. Which is quite different. I suppose that is weak atheism. I believe the possibility of their being a god but do not see the evidence of it therefore I am at a default position of not believing in a god.
Now believing in a god/creator doesn't even mean that the god/creator loves us or has a personal attachment to us. It doesn't mean that he gives us an afterlife. All these are simply guesses or hopes of man.
I have no idea what made the universe, how it got started or if it had a beginning at all. I don't know. However, if there is a super being that does exist and it is a God then what created God? If it's not any of the Gods with a name or a revealed religion attached to it then how would you define this God by means of any rational justification?
Nothing created god. Before matter, space ,and time there was a force that was god like. That's it. We can find out a lot, but not that much. I wish we could though.
God doesn't exist, there is no God just like there is no Santa Claus, no invisible unicorns, no Leprechauns, no Mermaids and no invisible squiggly monster hiding in your refrigerator. I have no problem proclaiming there is no God or that God does not exist. Call that a statement of absolute truth, I call it a statement of logic, common sense and rational thinking. Any God with a name, a description or some contradictory definition does not exist. If there is a God it has yet to be defined.
How ever what im suggesting that you cannot determine anything as really true with no doubt unless you see it,hear it etc... with your 5 senses. If any statement contradicts ( EX: gravitation) contradicts with a claim (God) than the observable one would be more likeley. HOWVEVER if God is supernatural/unlogical in natural world, unobservable, all powerful etc... there is no certain way to determine stron atheistic claim
Well then, what is a god, exactly, and why do you think one exists? How would you define such a thing? How would you define the supernatural? The natural is something you and I both cannot deny. It is real. It is fact, it is reality. It exists. After millions of years of existence the only man has found God is through his own ignorance and to invent god. And there are many of them. None of them make any sense whatsoever.
I do not claim a "God" exists, how ever i acknowledge the possibility that our universe was Purposely inputted by a supernatural event rather than existed in eternity (because finite segments of time (finite times) cant equal infinity)
How can you claim such a ignorant (or very in acurate) statement that man invented god. Here you go using common sense again. Until you use logic reasoning or natural you do not convince me of anything. It was common sense earth was center of universe.
When I say man invented God, I'm referring to all the Gods with names and all the revealed religions. Christianity is one of those religions and the Gods contained within that concept. Isn't it obvious? Particularly the genocidal God of the OT. It has all the characteristics of the barbarians who created it. Why do you think our universe had to purposely be started by some supernatural force? I'm not trying to convince you of anything anyway. I don't know what gave you that impression.
The universe is expanding; it was announced by Dr. Steven Hawking that the distance between distant galaxies are increasing at a steady rate ( The speed of light)
If matter cannot be created of destroyed its constant. Since active moving matter makes recorded time and its constant gives the claim we have an infinity of past. But thats not possible (My video -Logic why God exists) so only other option would be inputted matter
I also should point out why a lot of people dont accept evolution (sometimes go to intelligent design) like me
2 principles
1.natural selection
2.mutation
- H. J. Muller, the worlds foremost expert in mutations Nobel Prize winner Said, and I quote, Mutations are of random nature and certainly 99% are harmful. Chances are that a genetic mutation is NOT going to be beneficial to the species but in fact lethal.
if you read more about Muller's work, you'd realize why 99% of mutations being bad is not a problem for evolution.
this does NOT mean 99% of offspring will die, but that 99% of the sperm/eggs that you make AND that mutate will die. and who cares, there are millions of sperm, so even if EVERY SINGLE ONE mutates, that still leaves many tens of thousands. and the mutation RATE is no where near 100%, so even more heathly sperm are produced. msg me about evolutionary genetics if you're interested.
"God doesn't exist, there is no God just like there is no Santa Claus, no invisible unicorns, no Leprechauns, no Mermaids and no invisible squiggly monster hiding in your refrigerator." All i can say affirm these claims with physical reasoning. Just because it sounds silly and unrealistic does it mean its not true? The helio centric theory sounded silly back in those times but johannes kepler and todays astrounauts confirmm its reality
Is it really necessary to search every corner of the North Pole before coming to the logical conclusion that there is no fat guy living there who has flying reindeer and a magic sleigh? Do you have any level of common sense in your head to be able to conclude that Santa is a childish myth? Just like God is a myth for immature, insecure adults who fear what might happen to them after death. So they believe thinking they will enter into everlasting life. God belief is a crutch .
Galaxies exist. They are objectively observable. Gods, the supernatural, ghosts, spirits, devils, angels and demons are not. They are all products of human imagination born out of superstition. The giant toilet? That's a good one. Actually I think that makes more sense then a God. Just curious, are you a theist or atheist? I'm an atheist. I reject the God idea out and out and find no possibility for such a ridiculous idea. Unless it can be logically and rationally defined.
Im a theist, how ever i dont accept it as a reality for having a "ruler for universe" i just belive in it.
Its good being skeptical "Unless it can be logically and rationally defined." at least better than accepting ideas very blindly because it sounds good. Howver i found it even more efficient to not "deny" the unobservable idea but putting into the state of UNDETERMINED
wow well why don't you stop celebrating christmas. if you don't believe. answer me this. what will happen to you when you die? i don't want you to change. if you want to believe in nothing that is up to you. i wish you would talk to my girlfriend. she would make you feel stupid. you believe in nothing. come on get a clue. dumb asses
Merry christmas?? is that meant to be proof of something??? Are you saying santa is real??? Its sad how as an adult who belives in both father xmas and SANTA, that I get laughed at and ridiculed.... I beleive in both..... Ive behaved all year so i know santa will bring me presents. And i also know that, because i have not sinned all year i should be going to heaven. Thanks god, Im 25 yrs old amen.
Sorry. It's too hard trying to understand (slog through) text written by an illiterate, who uses sentence fragments, butchered grammar, and loads of misspellings. You are deficient in the head, and I guess that's why you soak up fairy tales as if they're truth. How does it feel to be a FAILURE?
Atheism is defined as the absence of belief. If someone claims something without any evidence, then we need no evidence for rejecting that claim. That's why agnostics can be atheists. You do not stand on equal ground with atheists, that's why you need faith
"Prove to me the universe is certain, if you cant than any statement you make is just an uncertian belief"
Who ever said that an atheist is defined as a person who claims to know whether there is a god? The term 'atheist' is usually not defined that way. It's usually simply defined as a person who does not have the belief that there is a god - which of course includes people that claim they don't know, and people that believe there's no god but still claim they don't know with 100% certainty.
"If a person does not have a belief there is a God than he must have belief there is not a God? ..."
No. What about an indigenous person for which the concept of a god has never even entered their mind? They don't have a belief regarding whether God exists or not, since they've never even thought about God. It doesn't make sense to say their lack of belief in God is the same thing as believing God doesn't exist.
You're not contending with the main point of my post, either.
Okay, thank you for helping me understand better about atheism. How ever majority of atheists (as i seen on youtube and introductiuon of video) DENY existence of God and Dictionaries (video description) also states that they deny existence of God, or reject theism. This video is intended for those "hardcore atheist" or those people who deny existence of a supreme being.
Well, a lot of atheists deny the existence of God, without knowing with 100% certainty that there is no god, in the same way one rejects the idea of Russell's Teapot and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The point of those two analogies (Teapot and FSM) is:
- No, you can't prove that the Teapot and FSM don't exist, but is it not safe to say that they don't exist?
- To refute the idea that the burden of proof lies on the skeptic
Part of the reason Russell's Teapot and the FSM analogies were conjured up is to show that anyone can make _unverifiable_, _unfalsifiable_ claims. There is an infinite amount of such claims that can be made (and some which have been made). Would you say that it's reasonable to believe an outrageous claim, such as Russell's Teapot, without evidence?
The burden of proof is on the proclaimer, because they are the one that originated the claim.
1) atheists are accountable for their OWN actions, hence why atheist based countries have such low crime rates. you see, we dont just prey to an invisible man for forgiveness and take a NON-RESPONSE as proof that he accepted it.
2) if a god existed, we would be held accountable by him, wether we believed or not!
put your stupid incoherent and false claims in your hollow head and keep them there.
i know atheists are accountable to their own actions. that's because God gave us free will. atheists have admitted to not believing in God though because they're afraid of the consequences for their behavior.
your response isnt any more coherent than your last.
1) your "god gave us free will" is a total assumption based on a book, even it if was true...WHICH GOD? i have a video listing 3000 of them in 4 minutes, take your pick.
2)If there is a fork on the table, and it will condemn me if i do bad,no matter how much i deny it and act badly, ITS STILL THERE!
if we can over ride which ever god you believe in then i must be superior, if it cant judge me simply because i supposedly ignore it.
1. us having free will isn't an assumption. it's a fact that us humans have the ability to do whatever we want.
2. that's the thing about atheists. it's completely illogical to deny the existence of God just so you don't have to worry about the consequences. it's not a valid reason to not believe He exists.
1) wether he is invisible or not is beside the point ,i was simply describing his most famous non existent characteristic.
how else could we of gotten free will?
what the hell are you talking about? we dont need to be given free will,you just said yourself we can do what we want,why the hell would we need it "given"?
2)no ,you told me your opinion as to why atheists dont beleive in god, which is majorly wrong,
tell me exactly, why dont you believe in other gods?
1. my point is that God created us. therefore, all of our characteristics and traits that define us as individuals were given to us by Him including free will.
2. some atheists don't believe in God because they truly believe in evolution but that's where they're mistaken because science has proven that we couldn't have just evolved and came into existence. and then a lot of other atheists who are smarter and have accepted being proven wrong, use the excuse that i stated.
Evolution doesn't talk about the origin of life nor does it say anything about God. Get this through your thick skull. Evolution does NOT deny the existence of God; YOU are projecting that bullshit assertion onto evolution because (presumably) you have a narrow view of your infinite God's powers. You don't know the first fucking thing about evolution so STFU about it.
Show me ONE fucking atheist that claims to be running from judgment and I'll show you a scared believer.
i DO know about evolution. and i KNOW that it doesn't specifically deny the existence of God. BUT it suggests that that's how we got here as opposed to God creating us. so get off my back loser.
No, as I said in my previous post to you evolution does NOT address the origin of life. It merely talks about how life progressed after it appeared. There are some (semi) rational creationists that still believe in evolution claiming that the Bible describes divinely motivated speciation. The idea is insane and requires creative reinterpretation of Genesis, but it is out there. Your problem is that evolution doesn't agree with YOUR interpretation of the Bible. You've removed God from the Bible.
Atheists are atheists because they want to sin, but does your religion not permit sinning? If we were Christians, we could sin all we want and ask for forgiveness from Jesus later.
I might be able to understand other religions making this claim but Christianity? Really?
it's completely illogical to deny the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster just so you don't have to worry about the consequences. it's not a valid reason to not believe He exists.
Hey kid, how can you have free will if everything in your life is part of "God's plan?" He plans your birth and your death etc, so where exactly is your free will at? Even if you deny the "God's plan" argument, you can't deny that God is supposedly omniscient. If he knows everything (your future included) then you've lost your free will as the future has been determined to some degree right? Think about it, if you believe in an omniscient being then you only have the illusion of free will.
I never stated anything about free will and i probally wont for some time. And yes, contradictions are not allowed according to logic...Good job boy your getting here little jooshi puu
My response was (obviously) directed at Max. Youtube doesn't always do a great job of keeping messages in order, so sometimes you have to use your woefully derelict powers of deduction to figure out toward whom the response is directed.
What contradictions are you talking about. Be specific.
Jassi kills your stupid position quite well, but I thought I'd add a bit. Can you not see that you're projecting your belief onto your opponent here? Your argument assumes that we atheists are LYING to OURSELVES about our disbelief. In order to be using disbelief to escape judgment, we'd have to BELIEVE that we were going to be judged. If we believe we are avoiding judgment then we cease to be atheists. You're talking about closet theists or something ... who knows, but it's certainly retarded.
Once again have i ever mentioned there will be a judged (or God i assume) No and i dont assume atheist lying to themselfs of their belief. My arguement (in video description,video) defines why atheists (who does not belive supreme beings) is rather a belief system than "reality" as amazingAtheist assumes and it's so obvious bad boy jooshi bad
I'm the retard ... right, yet YOU cannot discern to whom I'm responding.
Reality defines things that are real, and real is something that has verified existence. Since YOU cannot verify the existence of your imaginary friend the default position is that he is NOT real. The burden of proof lies upon you. My position is certainly based on belief insomuch as my position that Santa Clause doesn't come down my chimney is a belief system. Call it what you must, but my beliefs are based on evidence.
Once again you assume im a christian, and i have an imaginary friend which is not real? Im going to say this 1 more time. If you make a claim (not necessarily atheist but there is no God) you have to support it. If you dont make any claim your good to go and dont need to support it (that is if you dont want risk ending up being delusional)
Collossal failure, my friend. You've just made one huge straw man argument. Atheists don't say "there is no god," EXCEPT in polemical statements like the Blasphemy challenge. We don't literally claim to have *knowledge* in the strong sense of the word that there is no god, because one cannot logically make a negative claim about existence of something. Try as you may, atheism is still a lack of belief and not a belief; it's NOT something we have to prove. YOU have to prove god; good luck.
Chucky if your an atheist you belive there is no God simple right...thats what i mean during whole video,(besides the title is for attention ignore it)
Other guys like chandler and amazing atheist and a whole bunch consider atheism as a accept of reality or educational or whatever u get the point
If you make any statement "There is no God" you have to support it otherwise dont make it if you dont wanna risk be delusional
Watch infinitive timeline please for better picture of supernatural
NO, not simple. Atheist: A = without; theism = belief in god. Therefore, we lack a belief in god. Study epistemology (how we know what we know); there are different degrees of knowing things. We can't know in the strongest sense that there is no god, simply because you can't prove a negative claim. Having said that then, we say the odds of a deity existing are just as likely as the existence of leprechauns. Why? Because the evidence is the same -- zip, nothing.
Ok i see what you mean how ever if your an atheist you reject theism and you deny the existence of a supreme being still. And the majority and almost all atheist i seen (including those in introduction of video) they deny theism basically. Your not an atheist if you dont belive in nothing, more likley agnostic. The God theory remains unknown to you
Do you deny the existence of the god Odin? Yes? Can you prove his non-existence? No, because you can't make a negative claim. It's a matter of semantics here. Just because I deny the existence of JHWH doesn't mean that I'm claiming I can prove he doesn't exist. Not sure what you mean by the God theory remains unknown to me. I'm certainly familiar with it, I just don't accept it as any kind of reality.
Agnostic -asserting the uncertainty of all claims to knowledge. God theory is unkown to them what i ment
I define atheists those who DENY existence of God or supreme being. Just as you deny existence of JHWH. This would make your statement a belief (Video description)
If atheism is really a philosphy where statements about Gods existence is not mentioned than im sorry.
This video is meant to those atheist who deny Gods existence clearly
Again, we disagree over the definition of the verb "to deny." To deny something is not to claim knowledge (at least in the strong sense) that that something does not exist. If you insist on saying otherwise, we're done.
*sigh* I feel bad for you Chucky. No one should have to endure this sort of idiocy after such a well stated and clear argument has been presented. Respondent, you must understand the nature of the videos you clipped from. Look up apostasy please? Note that these people are basically attempting to commit the "unforgivable" sin of apostasy. Your argument is like me saying you have an illogical faith based non-belief in the Flying Spag Monster. Don't be obtuse; our position can be no more obvious.
There are these little things on youtube called "video description" and it lets you read what you video is about, you see little jooshi puu
I feel bad for myself having to put up with wrong presented information. I say the obvious Atheists who say the believe(or know) there is no God is a belief
perhaps YOU are this "God" and you are just doing a really shitty job of things! we must hold ourselves responsible.
Smarten up! I am speaking from love.
Don't play the games of the world as it is presented to you. Rebel. be a jedi. pray for divine guidance from that which you can not yet understand, and STRONG ATHEISM IS LOGICAL, a logical stepping stone on the path to knowing thy self!
revolter1 1 year ago
The people in the first half are just full of shit
sred14 2 years ago
actually you are incorrect not all of those people are not stating their beliefs the ones in the first half are saying they don't believe in something for which there is no evidence and the ones in the second half are saying they do believe in something for which there is no evidence. the logical side is pretty obvious.
however even if they were both beliefs, atheism would be a singular belief not a belief system.
types10001 2 years ago
no wrong its logical not to believe in a god its not logical to believe in a god. simple.
Temuldjin 2 years ago
maybe you don't know it
but most atheists have a bible
and they have indeed read it
and that study by itself, drove them to a truth search
which has led them to the one conclusion that is logical
there is no gawd
Your homework for the day
Pick out your favorite verses
And read the whole chapter
Shadizar666 2 years ago
So, by the same reasoning, denying the existence of Thor, God of Thunder, is not logical?
ccady 2 years ago
It's not that I believe there is no god. It is that I do not believe there is a god. Which is quite different. I suppose that is weak atheism. I believe the possibility of their being a god but do not see the evidence of it therefore I am at a default position of not believing in a god.
Now believing in a god/creator doesn't even mean that the god/creator loves us or has a personal attachment to us. It doesn't mean that he gives us an afterlife. All these are simply guesses or hopes of man.
matt4787 3 years ago
If god doesn't exist what made the universe. There is no proof of him. But truth is srtanger than fiction sometimes.
tomass298 3 years ago
I have no idea what made the universe, how it got started or if it had a beginning at all. I don't know. However, if there is a super being that does exist and it is a God then what created God? If it's not any of the Gods with a name or a revealed religion attached to it then how would you define this God by means of any rational justification?
nogogma 3 years ago
Nothing created god. Before matter, space ,and time there was a force that was god like. That's it. We can find out a lot, but not that much. I wish we could though.
tomass298 3 years ago
Actually man created god. Isn't it obvious? It should be. They all look and closely resemble the people who invented all of them.
nogogma 3 years ago
God doesn't exist, there is no God just like there is no Santa Claus, no invisible unicorns, no Leprechauns, no Mermaids and no invisible squiggly monster hiding in your refrigerator. I have no problem proclaiming there is no God or that God does not exist. Call that a statement of absolute truth, I call it a statement of logic, common sense and rational thinking. Any God with a name, a description or some contradictory definition does not exist. If there is a God it has yet to be defined.
nogogma 3 years ago
The video explain things very vauge
How ever what im suggesting that you cannot determine anything as really true with no doubt unless you see it,hear it etc... with your 5 senses. If any statement contradicts ( EX: gravitation) contradicts with a claim (God) than the observable one would be more likeley. HOWVEVER if God is supernatural/unlogical in natural world, unobservable, all powerful etc... there is no certain way to determine stron atheistic claim
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
Well then, what is a god, exactly, and why do you think one exists? How would you define such a thing? How would you define the supernatural? The natural is something you and I both cannot deny. It is real. It is fact, it is reality. It exists. After millions of years of existence the only man has found God is through his own ignorance and to invent god. And there are many of them. None of them make any sense whatsoever.
nogogma 3 years ago
I do not claim a "God" exists, how ever i acknowledge the possibility that our universe was Purposely inputted by a supernatural event rather than existed in eternity (because finite segments of time (finite times) cant equal infinity)
How can you claim such a ignorant (or very in acurate) statement that man invented god. Here you go using common sense again. Until you use logic reasoning or natural you do not convince me of anything. It was common sense earth was center of universe.
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
When I say man invented God, I'm referring to all the Gods with names and all the revealed religions. Christianity is one of those religions and the Gods contained within that concept. Isn't it obvious? Particularly the genocidal God of the OT. It has all the characteristics of the barbarians who created it. Why do you think our universe had to purposely be started by some supernatural force? I'm not trying to convince you of anything anyway. I don't know what gave you that impression.
nogogma 3 years ago
The universe is expanding; it was announced by Dr. Steven Hawking that the distance between distant galaxies are increasing at a steady rate ( The speed of light)
If matter cannot be created of destroyed its constant. Since active moving matter makes recorded time and its constant gives the claim we have an infinity of past. But thats not possible (My video -Logic why God exists) so only other option would be inputted matter
watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY
In the 8 th dimension
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
I also should point out why a lot of people dont accept evolution (sometimes go to intelligent design) like me
2 principles
1.natural selection
2.mutation
- H. J. Muller, the worlds foremost expert in mutations Nobel Prize winner Said, and I quote, Mutations are of random nature and certainly 99% are harmful. Chances are that a genetic mutation is NOT going to be beneficial to the species but in fact lethal.
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
if you read more about Muller's work, you'd realize why 99% of mutations being bad is not a problem for evolution.
this does NOT mean 99% of offspring will die, but that 99% of the sperm/eggs that you make AND that mutate will die. and who cares, there are millions of sperm, so even if EVERY SINGLE ONE mutates, that still leaves many tens of thousands. and the mutation RATE is no where near 100%, so even more heathly sperm are produced. msg me about evolutionary genetics if you're interested.
atbatcatdat 3 years ago
"God doesn't exist, there is no God just like there is no Santa Claus, no invisible unicorns, no Leprechauns, no Mermaids and no invisible squiggly monster hiding in your refrigerator." All i can say affirm these claims with physical reasoning. Just because it sounds silly and unrealistic does it mean its not true? The helio centric theory sounded silly back in those times but johannes kepler and todays astrounauts confirmm its reality
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
Is it really necessary to search every corner of the North Pole before coming to the logical conclusion that there is no fat guy living there who has flying reindeer and a magic sleigh? Do you have any level of common sense in your head to be able to conclude that Santa is a childish myth? Just like God is a myth for immature, insecure adults who fear what might happen to them after death. So they believe thinking they will enter into everlasting life. God belief is a crutch .
nogogma 3 years ago
Common sense is not a positive thing.
Is there a possibility of multiple galaxies? yes?
Is there a possibility of a giant toilet somewhere in the galaxy? No?
Common sense does not prove Shit other than assumption of often, silly claim equals false (as in not existent)
Dude "common sense" is also used in religious arguements such as "universe is fine tuned therefore there is a fine tuner (God)"
Yes it is necessary to search everything before making negative claims
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
Galaxies exist. They are objectively observable. Gods, the supernatural, ghosts, spirits, devils, angels and demons are not. They are all products of human imagination born out of superstition. The giant toilet? That's a good one. Actually I think that makes more sense then a God. Just curious, are you a theist or atheist? I'm an atheist. I reject the God idea out and out and find no possibility for such a ridiculous idea. Unless it can be logically and rationally defined.
nogogma 3 years ago
Im a theist, how ever i dont accept it as a reality for having a "ruler for universe" i just belive in it.
Its good being skeptical "Unless it can be logically and rationally defined." at least better than accepting ideas very blindly because it sounds good. Howver i found it even more efficient to not "deny" the unobservable idea but putting into the state of UNDETERMINED
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
"at least better than accepting ideas very blindly because it sounds good"
Isn't that what theism is basically about?
At least you're thinking critically. That's a good start towards free thought.
nogogma 3 years ago
But Flying Spaghetti monster really exist -.-
Arkhir666 3 years ago
Atheists suffer from self agronidssment, self inflated Narssistci disorder...LMAO
katdanmo 3 years ago
wow well why don't you stop celebrating christmas. if you don't believe. answer me this. what will happen to you when you die? i don't want you to change. if you want to believe in nothing that is up to you. i wish you would talk to my girlfriend. she would make you feel stupid. you believe in nothing. come on get a clue. dumb asses
legalman07 3 years ago
God cannot be proven. Merry Christmas.
FatherJohnPrester 3 years ago
Merry christmas?? is that meant to be proof of something??? Are you saying santa is real??? Its sad how as an adult who belives in both father xmas and SANTA, that I get laughed at and ridiculed.... I beleive in both..... Ive behaved all year so i know santa will bring me presents. And i also know that, because i have not sinned all year i should be going to heaven. Thanks god, Im 25 yrs old amen.
grozza333 3 years ago
God cannot be proven. Merry Christmas.
FatherJohnPrester 3 years ago
Sorry. It's too hard trying to understand (slog through) text written by an illiterate, who uses sentence fragments, butchered grammar, and loads of misspellings. You are deficient in the head, and I guess that's why you soak up fairy tales as if they're truth. How does it feel to be a FAILURE?
indignant99 3 years ago
Congrats
You have proven all my points to be wrong because of spelling errors.
Go quit youtube or something
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
Atheism is defined as the absence of belief. If someone claims something without any evidence, then we need no evidence for rejecting that claim. That's why agnostics can be atheists. You do not stand on equal ground with atheists, that's why you need faith
ravingdead 3 years ago
"Prove to me the universe is certain, if you cant than any statement you make is just an uncertian belief"
Who ever said that an atheist is defined as a person who claims to know whether there is a god? The term 'atheist' is usually not defined that way. It's usually simply defined as a person who does not have the belief that there is a god - which of course includes people that claim they don't know, and people that believe there's no god but still claim they don't know with 100% certainty.
Pulseczar1 3 years ago
If a person does not have a belief there is a God than he must have belief there is not a God?
Thats a law of logic -- law of excluded middle. If you really wanna lack of belief in anything simple say " I cannot determine that"
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
"If a person does not have a belief there is a God than he must have belief there is not a God? ..."
No. What about an indigenous person for which the concept of a god has never even entered their mind? They don't have a belief regarding whether God exists or not, since they've never even thought about God. It doesn't make sense to say their lack of belief in God is the same thing as believing God doesn't exist.
You're not contending with the main point of my post, either.
Pulseczar1 3 years ago
Okay, thank you for helping me understand better about atheism. How ever majority of atheists (as i seen on youtube and introductiuon of video) DENY existence of God and Dictionaries (video description) also states that they deny existence of God, or reject theism. This video is intended for those "hardcore atheist" or those people who deny existence of a supreme being.
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
Well, a lot of atheists deny the existence of God, without knowing with 100% certainty that there is no god, in the same way one rejects the idea of Russell's Teapot and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The point of those two analogies (Teapot and FSM) is:
- No, you can't prove that the Teapot and FSM don't exist, but is it not safe to say that they don't exist?
- To refute the idea that the burden of proof lies on the skeptic
Pulseczar1 3 years ago
Its a lot safer in fact the safiest to say that "I cannot determine if FSM and teapot exists"
rather claiming that they are not
Making statements of any kind is a risk
Please explain further where you get the idea
"- To refute the idea that the burden of proof lies on the skeptic "
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
"Please explain.."
Part of the reason Russell's Teapot and the FSM analogies were conjured up is to show that anyone can make _unverifiable_, _unfalsifiable_ claims. There is an infinite amount of such claims that can be made (and some which have been made). Would you say that it's reasonable to believe an outrageous claim, such as Russell's Teapot, without evidence?
The burden of proof is on the proclaimer, because they are the one that originated the claim.
See Wikipedia: Russell's Teapot
Pulseczar1 3 years ago
"Can you see a diffrence?"
...atheists can spell?
philstilwell 3 years ago
I guess my whole video is proven absoulute wrong now
Congrats
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
atheists don't want to believe in God because they're afraid of being held accountable to their creator.
Max1qa 3 years ago
max1qa..you're a fucking idiot...
1) atheists are accountable for their OWN actions, hence why atheist based countries have such low crime rates. you see, we dont just prey to an invisible man for forgiveness and take a NON-RESPONSE as proof that he accepted it.
2) if a god existed, we would be held accountable by him, wether we believed or not!
put your stupid incoherent and false claims in your hollow head and keep them there.
dumbass.
jassi4010709 3 years ago 2
i know atheists are accountable to their own actions. that's because God gave us free will. atheists have admitted to not believing in God though because they're afraid of the consequences for their behavior.
Max1qa 3 years ago
your response isnt any more coherent than your last.
1) your "god gave us free will" is a total assumption based on a book, even it if was true...WHICH GOD? i have a video listing 3000 of them in 4 minutes, take your pick.
2)If there is a fork on the table, and it will condemn me if i do bad,no matter how much i deny it and act badly, ITS STILL THERE!
if we can over ride which ever god you believe in then i must be superior, if it cant judge me simply because i supposedly ignore it.
jassi4010709 3 years ago 2
1. us having free will isn't an assumption. it's a fact that us humans have the ability to do whatever we want.
2. that's the thing about atheists. it's completely illogical to deny the existence of God just so you don't have to worry about the consequences. it's not a valid reason to not believe He exists.
Max1qa 3 years ago
1)having free will is a fact, but claiming an invisible man gave it to us is an ASSUMPTION.
2)when you understand why you dont believe in all other gods, you will understand why atheists dont believe in yours.
jassi4010709 3 years ago
1. what does it matter if He's invisible? just because we can't see Him, doesn't mean He doesn't exist. and how else could we have gotten it?
2. I already understand why I don't believe in all other gods and I already told you why atheists don't believe in ours.
Max1qa 3 years ago
1) wether he is invisible or not is beside the point ,i was simply describing his most famous non existent characteristic.
how else could we of gotten free will?
what the hell are you talking about? we dont need to be given free will,you just said yourself we can do what we want,why the hell would we need it "given"?
2)no ,you told me your opinion as to why atheists dont beleive in god, which is majorly wrong,
tell me exactly, why dont you believe in other gods?
THEN YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND.
jassi4010709 3 years ago
1. my point is that God created us. therefore, all of our characteristics and traits that define us as individuals were given to us by Him including free will.
2. some atheists don't believe in God because they truly believe in evolution but that's where they're mistaken because science has proven that we couldn't have just evolved and came into existence. and then a lot of other atheists who are smarter and have accepted being proven wrong, use the excuse that i stated.
Max1qa 3 years ago
omfg really dude?
Evolution doesn't talk about the origin of life nor does it say anything about God. Get this through your thick skull. Evolution does NOT deny the existence of God; YOU are projecting that bullshit assertion onto evolution because (presumably) you have a narrow view of your infinite God's powers. You don't know the first fucking thing about evolution so STFU about it.
Show me ONE fucking atheist that claims to be running from judgment and I'll show you a scared believer.
joshTheGoods 3 years ago
i DO know about evolution. and i KNOW that it doesn't specifically deny the existence of God. BUT it suggests that that's how we got here as opposed to God creating us. so get off my back loser.
Max1qa 3 years ago
No, as I said in my previous post to you evolution does NOT address the origin of life. It merely talks about how life progressed after it appeared. There are some (semi) rational creationists that still believe in evolution claiming that the Bible describes divinely motivated speciation. The idea is insane and requires creative reinterpretation of Genesis, but it is out there. Your problem is that evolution doesn't agree with YOUR interpretation of the Bible. You've removed God from the Bible.
joshTheGoods 3 years ago
i believe that men have evolved surely but not that we came from monkeys.
Max1qa 3 years ago
Atheists are atheists because they want to sin, but does your religion not permit sinning? If we were Christians, we could sin all we want and ask for forgiveness from Jesus later.
I might be able to understand other religions making this claim but Christianity? Really?
ravingdead 3 years ago
it's completely illogical to deny the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster just so you don't have to worry about the consequences. it's not a valid reason to not believe He exists.
KYASHAAAN 3 years ago
it's completely logical to deny the existence of a made up parody character.
Max1qa 3 years ago
FSM's not made up, bro. He's real. I was touched by his noodly appendage!
KYASHAAAN 3 years ago
*****STUPID COMMENT**** above
...Prove it somehow or have reasoning
until than this is considered a stupid comment
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
"...Prove it somehow or have reasoning
until than this is considered a stupid comment"
Well said, Respondent. Unfortunately, you don't realize you're being hypocritical..
Pulseczar1 3 years ago
Hey kid, how can you have free will if everything in your life is part of "God's plan?" He plans your birth and your death etc, so where exactly is your free will at? Even if you deny the "God's plan" argument, you can't deny that God is supposedly omniscient. If he knows everything (your future included) then you've lost your free will as the future has been determined to some degree right? Think about it, if you believe in an omniscient being then you only have the illusion of free will.
joshTheGoods 3 years ago
Hey josh
I never stated anything about free will and i probally wont for some time. And yes, contradictions are not allowed according to logic...Good job boy your getting here little jooshi puu
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
My response was (obviously) directed at Max. Youtube doesn't always do a great job of keeping messages in order, so sometimes you have to use your woefully derelict powers of deduction to figure out toward whom the response is directed.
What contradictions are you talking about. Be specific.
joshTheGoods 3 years ago
Jassi kills your stupid position quite well, but I thought I'd add a bit. Can you not see that you're projecting your belief onto your opponent here? Your argument assumes that we atheists are LYING to OURSELVES about our disbelief. In order to be using disbelief to escape judgment, we'd have to BELIEVE that we were going to be judged. If we believe we are avoiding judgment then we cease to be atheists. You're talking about closet theists or something ... who knows, but it's certainly retarded.
joshTheGoods 3 years ago
Woah fucking retard here...
Once again have i ever mentioned there will be a judged (or God i assume) No and i dont assume atheist lying to themselfs of their belief. My arguement (in video description,video) defines why atheists (who does not belive supreme beings) is rather a belief system than "reality" as amazingAtheist assumes and it's so obvious bad boy jooshi bad
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
I'm the retard ... right, yet YOU cannot discern to whom I'm responding.
Reality defines things that are real, and real is something that has verified existence. Since YOU cannot verify the existence of your imaginary friend the default position is that he is NOT real. The burden of proof lies upon you. My position is certainly based on belief insomuch as my position that Santa Clause doesn't come down my chimney is a belief system. Call it what you must, but my beliefs are based on evidence.
joshTheGoods 3 years ago
sorry for calling you a retard
Once again you assume im a christian, and i have an imaginary friend which is not real? Im going to say this 1 more time. If you make a claim (not necessarily atheist but there is no God) you have to support it. If you dont make any claim your good to go and dont need to support it (that is if you dont want risk ending up being delusional)
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
Collossal failure, my friend. You've just made one huge straw man argument. Atheists don't say "there is no god," EXCEPT in polemical statements like the Blasphemy challenge. We don't literally claim to have *knowledge* in the strong sense of the word that there is no god, because one cannot logically make a negative claim about existence of something. Try as you may, atheism is still a lack of belief and not a belief; it's NOT something we have to prove. YOU have to prove god; good luck.
ChuckyJesus666 3 years ago
Chucky if your an atheist you belive there is no God simple right...thats what i mean during whole video,(besides the title is for attention ignore it)
Other guys like chandler and amazing atheist and a whole bunch consider atheism as a accept of reality or educational or whatever u get the point
If you make any statement "There is no God" you have to support it otherwise dont make it if you dont wanna risk be delusional
Watch infinitive timeline please for better picture of supernatural
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
NO, not simple. Atheist: A = without; theism = belief in god. Therefore, we lack a belief in god. Study epistemology (how we know what we know); there are different degrees of knowing things. We can't know in the strongest sense that there is no god, simply because you can't prove a negative claim. Having said that then, we say the odds of a deity existing are just as likely as the existence of leprechauns. Why? Because the evidence is the same -- zip, nothing.
ChuckyJesus666 3 years ago 2
Ok i see what you mean how ever if your an atheist you reject theism and you deny the existence of a supreme being still. And the majority and almost all atheist i seen (including those in introduction of video) they deny theism basically. Your not an atheist if you dont belive in nothing, more likley agnostic. The God theory remains unknown to you
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
Do you deny the existence of the god Odin? Yes? Can you prove his non-existence? No, because you can't make a negative claim. It's a matter of semantics here. Just because I deny the existence of JHWH doesn't mean that I'm claiming I can prove he doesn't exist. Not sure what you mean by the God theory remains unknown to me. I'm certainly familiar with it, I just don't accept it as any kind of reality.
ChuckyJesus666 3 years ago
Agnostic -asserting the uncertainty of all claims to knowledge. God theory is unkown to them what i ment
I define atheists those who DENY existence of God or supreme being. Just as you deny existence of JHWH. This would make your statement a belief (Video description)
If atheism is really a philosphy where statements about Gods existence is not mentioned than im sorry.
This video is meant to those atheist who deny Gods existence clearly
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
Again, we disagree over the definition of the verb "to deny." To deny something is not to claim knowledge (at least in the strong sense) that that something does not exist. If you insist on saying otherwise, we're done.
ChuckyJesus666 3 years ago
Deny is not necessarily having the knowledge of invalid points. And when i say it i dont mean it that way either.
"Deny existence of..." Is rejecting the existence of, i never ment deny as "knowing the unpresence of..."
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago
*sigh* I feel bad for you Chucky. No one should have to endure this sort of idiocy after such a well stated and clear argument has been presented. Respondent, you must understand the nature of the videos you clipped from. Look up apostasy please? Note that these people are basically attempting to commit the "unforgivable" sin of apostasy. Your argument is like me saying you have an illogical faith based non-belief in the Flying Spag Monster. Don't be obtuse; our position can be no more obvious.
joshTheGoods 3 years ago
Josh...sigh
There are these little things on youtube called "video description" and it lets you read what you video is about, you see little jooshi puu
I feel bad for myself having to put up with wrong presented information. I say the obvious Atheists who say the believe(or know) there is no God is a belief
theRESPONDENT 3 years ago