Dave Carroll is half-right. Why should you pay for it at all when these companies give it away for free in the first place?
That's what having a TV broadcast license is all about. The cable company shouldn't charge anything for those stations (except to maintain your line) and CTV et al shouldn't see a dime either unless they stop broadcasting their signal for free.
(I lost all respect for Dave Carroll due to this song, BTW.)
I remember this song as being a commercial.. Good times, back when commercials were funny, not just mind numbingly boring like they mostly are now a days
Years ago I live in town and had cable. They kept raising the price so one day I called and told them to disconnect. I got switched to three different people who all tried to talk me into staying on by offering extras. Finally, I told the third person I would not be paying the bill any longer and they asked," WHY"? I told them I was tired of price hikes every two months and hung up.
I now have a nice big antenna on the side of the house and watch TV for free.
While I agree with the general premise, I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion.
Compared with 30-40 years ago, it seems everyone and their second cousin's brother's hairdresser can get their 15 minutes of airtime these days, ya know?
At the same time, after a 20 year hiatus from 'tv', I was astonished to discover COMERCIALS on cable channels. (Does anyone else remember when 'cable' held the promise of 'pay up front so you don't have to see the damn commercials'?)
I don't trust cable companies either. They can't provide reliable signals. they have poor performance, and to make it worse, have the guts of placing phone calls, offering more and more services, when we are already dissatisfied with what we get.
@sexysax92 every channel on canadian tv has commercials. is every channel free?
the fact is the cablecos pay for every channel but not the locals. the ancient agreement of free rebroadcasting doesnt make sense anymore. i do think local channels need to make more of their own programming and rely less on purchasing US shows, but doesn't almost every channel on canadian tv not do that too?
local stations like CTV's agreed to a "free" business model, where cable co.'s carry their signal for free and CTV would get profits from advertising. CTV is asking to negotiate compensation, but the CRTC can't trust them with a "new tax with no benefits" because they will just blow it on more american shows. Yeah, if we pay the rights to our foreign programming, why can't Shaw pay the FFC; cause its a tax with no new benefits-- a short term sol'n. Thats how it's "fair".
They raised my Bill and now I get less channels which i payed for.... now the channels that i did paid for i dont get.. so now it means i need to dig into my pockets more. local tv rocks
This guy is great. I love his music and his message. I just wish whoever is in charge of the camera would get his/her eyes checked. Enough camera blur -- not effective!
Local tv channels have to first stop buying all the Amercian TV shows. If I want to watch an Amercian show I'll go to an Amercian station. Not CBC or CTV or any other Canadian channel.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
Local stations should be run like any other buis. If you can't make it, then that's it your done. Look at places like Walmart, Mcdonalds, Tims. They only allow so many of these buis. in a certain area because they know the population can only support so many. Like any other buis, the more of them the less money for all of them and only the best survive. Tv stations need to understand that the buis, can only support so many stations and will adv. on the best ones, the rest go under. Simple
its not about "the best" surviving its about the most competitive. That competition is gained from hammering the suppliers...take milk.....in the uk we have a situation wher the farmers are making such a pittance on milk the supermarkets will sell milk at a break even...why they know that people guage their prices on milk bread eggs etc... much of our milk comes from intensive farming in holland now I have lived in teh states great country but you must lessen the power of the corporates,
No you need to get the facts, and you won't get them from an industry mouthpiece. FACT - For the past 50+ years advertising has paid for network TV, and has been shown on cable for free. FACT - network TV still contains advertising, in fact it contains more than ever. FACT - With innovations in content delivery causing reductions in profit, networks are trying to figure out how to make more money. Whats hard to do? Actually innovate and provide new products. Whats an easy target? Cable users....
actually, I see that you are from the U.S. This is not about your local programming this is about ours. When cable first came to Canada,the cable company promised that it would support local tv stations and that we would not lose them. Here in sk, we have a fundraiser, the telemiracle that supports people with disabilities, no local tv, no telemiracle.Did you even go to local tv matters site and check the facts on how this effects our country? or who will end up paying?
@mamabear266 I am most certainly NOT from the US (Location on the Internet often does not represent reality). If you think that "local TV" will go away, you have had the wool pulled over your eyes by Bell and Global.What if cable did not exist? Do you think that network TV for some reason would also stop when there are eyeballs to be had? If so then how did it exist for 50 years without cable? Network TV is funded by advertising, not taxes or cable. Always has been and how it should remain.
@brunes007 You have it right. Also, in many markets, local TV IS the cable company. RogersTV in this area for example. Without Rogers here in NB, we would have no local programming since CBC, Global, and CTV all broadcast out of Halifax. If taxed, New Brunswickers would be supporting someone else's TV, not theirs.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
Brunes007; Glad to see someone else fighting the insane (TV Tax Grab). It's amazing how so many people have NO idea that local channels get advertising income. For 25 years we had 3 buis and we never paid the cable provider we always paid the local station, (50+ years in buis). When your tv signal is all weird who do you call? your local station HA. No you call your cable or sat. provider. People next time your tv goes out call your local station, see what they say.
I seriously think most people who "support local TV" have no clue what is actually going on. This whole thing is just a cash grab by the big media companies in Canada. If I wanted to watch local TV, then I wouldn't have cable in the first place, as it is free over the air! Why should I have to pay a sucharge on my cable bill to pay for TV stations that I do not even want on my cable (local TV is FORCED on all cable customers by the CRTC).
you need to get the facts, go to local tv matters, as far as what you choose to watch, it is your choice, pornography is available thru the cable companies does not mean I choose to watch it but someone else would. As a Canadian I want things to stay Canadian, ie: our canadian news should come from here not there
I think this video is awesome .I have CKY from Winnipeg.And I need it. If cable has been taking the free ride off someone back ,like this shows.I think that's pathetic, In this day and age for a co orperation to milk a small one.
I Love This Tune, very catchy... but i also love my local tv, and i think it's about time that we stood up to the cable company, GOOD JOB GUYS, KEEP IT UP!! They are taking the prophits from the stations that could go into important projects, suck as fundraisers, wishfunds, etc. I don't know what i'd do with the 6:00 NTV evening news hour. it has become a family tradition since the first broadcast to have supper cooked, and sit down with the family just to watch. a real family moment.
The cable companies are on their way out. Period. In three years there will be a device to receive on your smart phone AND project that onto a larger screen, in much the say way ipods can be hooked up to a Bose sound system carriage (I'm sure there are many brands...) and make your music stereophonic. All I can say is don't sign any long term contracts!
It's amazing how you try to spin a persons words. Knowing very well that is not what I meant, but I guess you have to somehow justify the communist statement knowing very well that it's the so called big 3 doing the strong arm tactics.
And YES people would love to have hundreds of millions, did I mean of some companies money NO, I also said Canadians don't have that kind on money and we have to live within our means, as so should companies and if they can't to bad.
None of the broadcasters want you to pay a penny more, they want cable rates REGULATED so cable can't charge you more! They simply want cable to pay local stations value for their signal with the profits they already make from selling local stations. YOU ALREADY PAY FOR LOCAL STATIONS, it's just cable keeps all the money, the local stations just want some of the money cable makes from selling local stations, and they DON'T WANT YOUR BILL TO GO UP. How is this so hard for you to understand?
I pay for cable, I don't "pay for local stations". Local stations are force-fed to you thanks to the CRTC.
If cable had it's way all programming would be a-la-carte and you woudl be able to pick and choose channels and not have these stupid regulated packages the CRTC forces everyone to have. IE, why am I force-fed French channels when I don't speak French? Why am I force-fed CTV Toronto when I don't live there?
By the way your saying I'm for redisturbution of wealth is completly wrong. When I say it's my money, I mean the money in my Wallet not the cable companies wallet. And money Canadians have in their wallets is theirs not the gov or the crtc and diff not the local stations. We will decide where to spend or support with OUR money not anyone else.
Simple as that.
But what do we know, we are just a bunch of commies.
No you said 90% of Canadians would like to have a chance [at the companies] money.
Of course we will decide where we will spend our money. Cancel your cable subscription to send a message to CABLE and SATELLITE, your rates are TOO HIGH!
For once I agree with you. The coomis, as you put it, is the CRTC who objects against the cable company charging PER channel a la carte. IF gov't left TV to free enterprise, you would be able to call the cable company, and select only the channels you would want to watch and pay for. Keep supporting this Local TV cause, it's a waste of time and effort. Lobby the CRTC and your local MP instead.
Down here in the USA , local cable companies typically offer several packages. The most basic package usually includes NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, and the CW network , as well as the local public TV station . Other packages include more channels. The term "premium channels" is usually used to refer to such outfits as HBO, Showtime, STARZ, Cinemax, and Disney. The cable companies don't charge on an a la carte basis, except for those events that are specifically pay-per-view (usually athletic events).
Whatever, anyone that doesn't want to pay more money is now a commie?. OKAY well than I guess I'm a commie. I guess 90% of Canadians are commies. That's the arguement. If you don't want to pay more for the same thing your a commie. Believe like the supporters of this obscene bill or your a commie. Support local nothing or your a commie.
Umm just thought of something what is more commie like than to force another company to pay their profits to the poorer one?????
Once again, you're ignoring the facts. You already pay for local TV. Why should anybody pay twice. Under your definition, I would be a proud commie as I don't want cable bills to go up, as would the broadcasters.
I guess the only people who aren't commies are the cable companies then!
I'm a communist cause I don't want to pay more money?
Well I guess than 90% of the people in Canada are communists?.
WOW
Not even sure how to answer that. It's stupid, crazy and insane all at the same time. That really is a talent.
34 hours and counting
And YES people that don't want to pay more for nothing will be happy.
I will say one thing, you have stuck to your guns, and I give you credit for that. You want to believe what you believe fine. That's why we live in a free country.
No, you said "these companies saying we can't survive on hundreds of millions when 90% of Canadians would love to have a chance at that money". Which is redistribution of wealth, which was practised in communist countries like the Soviet Union.
I don't want to pay more for local TV because I ALREADY PAY and so do you. None of that money goes towards local. The BDUs want you to pay TWICE for local TV, and they don't even want to negotiate fair compensation for the locals.
Canadians care about local news, opinion polls prove that, ratings prove that and public support proves that. If the CRTC has the balls to do the right thing, it will be the approval of a form of negotiation for value.
The CRTC will look bad to if they allow a majority stations to shut down. The government will look bad if they allow a majority of the stations shut down. The only people that will be celebrating will be the BDUs and people like you.
OH one more thing, when all your friends get their cable bills then you can tell them the reason why the rates have jumped and why they should be SOOOO happy to pay more. Should be an interesting conversation.
And on my end, everyone I know has said some perty nasty things about the so called big 3 networks. I guess to us having that extra little bit of cash in our pockets means something.
Rem people it's OUR money not the big 3's now they want it.
You asked if I work for the cable companies I can say NO to that.
I'm just a fellow Canadian that is sick of paying out of my wallet more and more and now seeing some of these companies saying we can't survive on hundreds of millions when 90% of Canadians would love to have a chance at that money. But we won't and we have to keep working and live within our means and these companies can't, so now we have to pay so they can play with OUR money.
I know what we get, we get the satisfaction of knowing that we are paying more for nothing. BUT we are getting something, the same programming, same quality same signal. Now it all makes sense, we should be glad to pay more for nothing. Now we can all sleep better.
Re-regulation of cable and sat rates means one thing. Re-regulation of money out Canadian pocket books. Simple as that.
Why not admit this will do one thing and cost us the consumer more money. NO don't want cbc and the other 2 to admit that.
Imagine going into a supermarket and the teller says $75 please O but you now owe us $85 you would say WHAT, WHY O because it's us. You don't get more food just we want more money now THANKS.
Where the hell did you even get something like that? Of course cable rates will rise, even when regulated, but the Government can control the increases. It's unreasonable to not raise cable rates, but to raise them at their current rates is unacceptable.
Your supermarket analogy wouldn't work as the increases take place gradually over time with the factors of supply and demand, and inflation.
You don't think we are going to pay more with this obscene bill. HAHAHA
Well then I have some swamp land for sale for you.
That was a good one. Everyone read that, 3 companies forcing other companies to pay them money and our bills won't go up.
We should be glad that a few Canadian companies are making money, even if it's in the evil billions. These cable and Sat. companies hire thousands of people all across this country.
This is nothing but strong arm tactics. Who is the real badguy?
If regulated, the CRTC controls how much increases are allowed each year. No downsides.
You're also ignoring that besides CBC, CTV and Global, smaller stations like CHEK, V and NTV are also a part of the Local TV Matters campaign. They don't want your bills to go up, nobody wants the cable bills to go up besides the executives at the BDUs. Which brings me to these two questions. Do you have any relations with cable and satellite? Why are you against the reregulation of cable and satellite?
Furthermore, everybody that I've talked to, even those who are against fee-for-carriage would like to see cable rates reregulated again. I don't know why you would oppose the reregulation of cable rates, and support the status quo. Status quo = higher cable rates.
The local cable companies hire more local people than the local tv station does. Someone has to go out and repair and install new lines.
I ask anyone reading this board to just phone up CBC or CTV or who ever the local station is and just do a simple test, tell them that your tv signal is very bad or cut out and see what they say. Who will they say to contact. I WONDER WHO???
It really is just amazing that you can't figure out who the LITTLE GUYS are. And who is going to get really hurt.
Let me tell you AGAIN
MY BANK ACCOUNT is going to get hit. People with a fixed income is going to get hit. Anyone that is sick of paying more for nothing. Along with millions of other Canadians.
Isn't it funny how the save your local tv adds NOT ONE TIME have ever mentioned " O by the way everyones tv bills are going up" wonder why?
It's really amazing that you haven't the other part of the LocalTVMatters campaign.
They want to reregulate cable rates. So you DON'T have to pay more. I don't know why your're opposing your cable rates regulated while complaining that cable rates are increasing.
Can't afford cable? Cancel it. Television is not a right.
The cable and Sat companies supply 90% of the viewing audience for the local station. They also supply all the cable lines or sat freq. They also supply all the upgrades for tv viewing or if you have a prob. who do you call???
I ask anyone to call the local station in your area and tell them you are having problems with your tv signal. They will tell you to call your local cable or sat. who ever you are with.
What or why do they think they deserve more of our money. For doing what???
When are people going to figure this out. This is NOT going to hurt the cable and sat companies. It's going to hurt the real little guys us the consumer.
Yes lets make the multi million dollar companies richer by strong arming the the billion dollar company for more money.
The so called big 3 can't get anymore money so we will just strong arm the crtc into forcing the cable and sat company to pay out their profits. WOW sounds so right. Sounds like something Obama would do.
So you mean THIS IS AN EVIL SOCIALIST PLOT TO DESTROY AMURIKA BY NOBAMA?
Geez, of course the consumers are going to get hurt. They're going to lose their local news. Cable companies have been increasing their profits for years now, just now, BCE has reported their profits had doubled. Of course it won't hurt them. Once again, cable and satellite screws over the viewers.
The reference I made to "Private Broadcasters" going to "Social Services" was pure sarcasm, intended to reaffirm the point that what these "Private Broadcasters" want in short, is indeed "Welfare" at the people's expense. It was not intended to be a real suggested course of action.
This "Money Pit" they call the C.B.C. is already funded by the taxpayers to the annual tune of $1,200,000,000,00. What a complete waste of taxpayer dollars. As for "Corporate Welfare" for "Private Broadcasters", that's what "Social Services" is for.
Anyone ever wonder why some of these local station can't make it? Could it be that the station sucks. I mean why isn't the local buis and population supporting the station? I mean if the buis in the area aren't advertising on them there is a reason. And blaming cable is crazy, because cable gives the local station 10 times the viewers. Logic has to say there has to be a problem with the station, bad programming, bad tv personalities. There is a reason people don't tune in. Some just suck.
And by passing this obscene bill will help control cable rates LOLOLOLOLOL O man that was good.
By charging everyone in Canada more money OR what I should say all the "cable or Sat companies" This going to give us better tv and control rates. I suppose next the cable and sat companies won't pass this on to us "the consumer"
Well I needed a good laugh today.
Just rem people your bill could go up anywhere from $5 to $10 a month. $60 - $120 a year. For NOTHING I MEAN NOTHING
The Reality Cable companies produce more local tv them CTV and CBC combines CPAC is owned by the cable companies and they run it with no comercials they also have there own local channels in larger centers. I live in a city of 60,000 and our ctv station closed in 2001 so don't ask me to save local tv it's already gone
North Bay ON or Timmins or sue ste marie take your pick. all of are local station were closed and we are left with sudbury as our ctv provider. lost almost all north bay content
Canadian distributors are forced to carry local signals and place them in their basic packages. Distributors charge for basic packages for the use of the network they have paid to put in place, for upgrades and maintenance to that network. Included in basic packages are channels that the distributors pay to carry. The broadcasters have also had less and less unique Canadian programming and more purchased programming from U.S. broadcasters, why should distributors have to pay for these decisions?
Here is an idea, next time something goes wrong with your tv signal, call up ctv or cbc or global and complain that your tv went out. Know what they will say, call the cable company. Wonder why? cause the cable companies own the cable lines. These big 3 don't do anything except ride on the cable and sat backs but now want money to ride.
This bill won't hurt Shaw or Rogers, Bell, Starchoice or who ever else, it's going to hurt the little guy, and the little guy is not the local broadcasters, the little guy is the consumer. Cable and Sat will NOT pay this out of their own pockets, WE will pay it out of OUR pockets, and whoever is on a fixed budget will feel it.
And we don't get nothing for it. Same tv, no upgrade, no better signal. Just POOF there goes our money to give a multi mil dol company more money.
For the final time we "Canada " are not the same country as the "Americans" our laws are not the same (thank goodness)
HEY if you look I bet England and the rest of Europe also have diff. Broadcasting laws.
If this is your only arguement about fcc and crtc. It's a really sad arguement.
But I'll even go further for you. I have always heard that ctv is also gov. funded BUT if they aren't GREAT. BUT they still don't deserve somebody elses profits. For doing nothing.
There is nothing we could say to change your mind. look up the info for yourself.
The people that are against this obscene bill will always be against it, the people that believe that big buis is wrecking our country will be for this obscene bill.
Until you get your cable or sat bill. Then reality will hit you right between the eyes.
To late then. cough up the 5 - 10 bucks a month.
I guess we will have to wait to see what the idiots at the crtc have to say.
Could the cable networks charge the local TV stations for carrying their signal or could the cable networks refuse to carry the local TV signals instead of being forced to pay the local TV stations?
If the cable networks have incurred all the costs to setup and maintain the cable network, then why should they pay the local TV stations? It seems that the local TV stations should be paying the cable network companies for distributing that signal to everyone; it seems the cable companies are providing a free service to the local TV stations.
Local TV stations have always broadcast their signal for free; in the past the signal was broadcast by the local TV station and the signal was picked-up by a TV antenna on the roof of each house, or by 'rabbit ears' on the TV set. Now the signal is broadcast through a cable network instead of through the air, so why should the cable companies pay the local TV stations for a signal that has always been broadcast for free by the TV station?
With that said, cable providers are required by the CRTC to carry the local tv stations. HBO is a horse of a different colour. I am not required to buy HBO to get other channels, but all the local channels are required. I can understand that the local television stations would like some of the money paid for basic cable, but the fact of the matter is it will raise cable bills & they already broadcast for free.
We don't have to explain nothing to you, we are 2 diff countries period. What the States does is there buis not ours. And If you haven't noticed they aint doing so good down there.
But if you want something fine, okay cable and sat pays some US local channels. CTV and CBC get gov funding. There solved, one gets no funding but gets a few dollars and the other side gets hundreds of mill. to basically put on some of the worse tv programs in history. Happy
It's really not to hard to understand. The cable companies own the lines going to your house not the local channels, the sat companies send the signal to your house not the local channels, BUT the local channels are given a free ride on the cable lines and the sat signals. Not a bad deal, they get free signal ride and keep local advertisment income and don't have to worry about consumer upgrades or costs of up keep. But now they want part of the profits, for what?
zactly..... finally someone else who knows the system. Now that the locals business plan is going in the toilet, they want a piece of the cable or Satellite pie cause they are doing sooooo well. I am not for any greedy assed increase just dont want local to get away with this sleazy ploy...let em die see what comes of it...
Once again why should cable and sat companies give local channels a free ride on their system. OH YEA the crtc makes them. As I said before if they are forced to pay local channels part of their profits then it'll be time for local channels to also start paying the costs of upgrade to city and country cable and sat grids.
And if you actually think the cable and sat companies won't pass this on to the consumer well then I have some swamp land for sale.
Are you not listening....look one last time buddy, you have it all wrong. back in the beginning cable said to local "look we will give you guys expanded viewership and expanded money from more people watching and you let us carry your signals for free. This went on for decades and still does only nowadays cable has to carry local. Problem here is how many local do you need to pay for . Sure as hell not all of them. Cable saw and still does not see any of that extra money from more viewership
Don Don . You called me Buddy! I am touched. I say a truce. I want to hear you. At the end of the day Both of us want a good fare deal for ourselves as viewer Correct? I'll be honest and I hope you are too. It's hard to know if its Networks or cable that is screwing us.
Simple researched publicly available facts.
Viewership is was limited to what the broadcast towers did when boundary were established. No greatly expanded viewers but Yes you are Right Cable has been getting it Free.
After working in "local" as everyone calls it for 25 years, I have an insight to this that makes the whole thing perverse. what I and any other longtimers know is the locals now want something they do not deserve nor have they any right to. And as for your viewership comment. The amount locals could charge for commercials went astronomical after cable took them on signal wise in there packages. To long and tedious to explain here trust me let em die see what comes out...
neither of these players is in the right. But I will be damned if I will pay for saving anyones failing business. the CBC throws money out the window, CTV has just been lucky up till now but it would be where I would put my money if I could chose. Global was doomed from the start with Izzies inept kids at the helm and Chum was just dreamin period. Let em all die and see what comes out of it or let me pick who I support and let compitition reign. You want my 10 bucks, impress me constantly
I'm not sure what to say. You still talking as if this is a TAX for you.
It's a publicly accessible fact that this is about Local Networks asking the 2 billion dollar Cable industry to pay for what they have been getting for free.
You sound like a pissed off former employee!?
We let local theaters and Books stores die, and now their all owned by One Couple. We let small business die to Wal Mart. And now everything is made in China.
Do you think this is all a good thing? Yes I know .. You do.
fuck local TV. If you cant compete in a free and open market then you can go fuck your selves. I shouldn't have to pay for your shit local programming.
I have heard this since I was a kid, and 40 years later our local channel is still here and radio has increased from 1 to 4. We will not loose our Canadian way of life. And we will not loose our local channels.
They can't cry and say I want more money for nothing, If they want the sat and cable systems to pay them. Then they better step up to the plate and help pay the costs of major upgrades and the on going expenses of new cable lines and repairs. You can't say I want but then say I'm not going to help pay for anything.
We all go to work and get paid for it. Should ctv and cbc get some other companies profits just because it's them. How is that right?
The cable company makes 2 billion in profits. The vast majority of local Stations that bring the local news and represent the local people are barely getting by and only a few are making the millions talked about.
Here where I really don't get you. I understand if you go to work you get paid. But why do you think The local TV network should give Cable their services free.
That's why they call them speciality channels, TV Land, Movie Time, National Geographic. If you want them you pay for them. They also recieve advertising income, as do the local channels from their home cities and surrounding areas. They reach houndreds of thousand of people that would never see them unless they piggy backed off the sat and cable systems. If the local channels want money from the cable guys then they can start to help pay the costs of upgrading and expanding cable, sat grids.
Local channels don't pay to be on sat. or cable. Infact the local advertising income goes to the local channels, NONE that I know of goes to the cable or sat.
Another fact is, local channels don't spend any money to help cable system increase their grid on the ground. Cable companies are always installing new lines for new housing areas and upgrading their own systems including the sat companies.
The local channels broadcast on the cable lines and pay nothing.
Then why am I paying for the cable? We should just all go back to Antenna tv, it was free...
Govt is investing in 'broadband networks' which is essentially what our cable tv goes through... over $110 Million in Ontario alone.
Now that extra $10 tax on cable bills the cable companies say will ensue if they have to support local tv I do not agree with... they just don't want to cut into their profit...
I guess we'll see what bogus scheme the CRTC comes up with ! lol
Exactly, the local channels are just riding a long for free, but now lets get paid for doing nothing and do you really think that if the crtc goes a long with obscene tax that the little guys in small centers will actually get one dime or will it all go to the big boys in Toronto.
Actually the sat guys could easily just say okay we are just going to air the national ctv and cbc channels the rest are out and there massive audience once again is just local. They don't have to air them.
Really? Really? All of the speciality channels receive fee for carriage from the cable and satellite companies. All of the American stations receive FFC from their American cable and satellite companies.
Now answer these two questions. Is it fair that the local stations receive nothng? Are you against the reregulation of cable rates?
you dont pay for local already. not in the sense that its on your bill as a special service. You pay for the line and the channels that are offered just like your cell phone and the package you pay for. Local tv and cable have had a scratch my back scratch yours deal for decades dealing with viewship counts and commercial price postings. Neither side is right in raising prices but the local guys are just being greedy cause there business plan sucked. Let em die and see what comes of it...
You do know if they get their way this time by taxing everyones cable or sat bills, this will be only the start. It's like anything you give them a inch and the next thing they come back for the rest. This will be just the start. CTV and CBC are already making millions and millions (400 million), they just want more for doing nothing.
That doesn't even count for all the money the gov. gives them.
It's funny how the save the local station adds not once tell people that everyones cable or sat bills will go up anywhere from $5 to $10 a month. That's $60 to $120 a year.
And for what???
NOTHING
Here is an idea, cable and sat companies stop airing local stations. There now if you want the local station get a video splitter box. One side has some rabbit ears and the other side has cable. And does the CBC really matter anymore?
Choose to believe the BDUs lies and nothing good will happen. They're spreading LIES. The broadcasters don't want YOU to pay twice since you already PAY FOR LOCAL. The local station money is not going towards the local sattions.
Dropping the locals would be a PR disaster for the BDUs.
dropping the locals wouldn't only be PR disaster for the BDU's, how would you like to be the conservative MP going back to the home town that just lost their local TV station because their guy would not fight for supporting local tv.
If stations were to be dropped from cable and satellite it would likely be the main American networks because the Canadian networks are paying to broadcast their material to Canadians.
When Canadians tune into certain programs on the American networks on cable they already get the Canadian broadcast of the program, commercials and all.
Why exactly would the local stations adverts discuss a rate that hasn't been negotiated, set or specified ? A rate that could easily be absorbed by the cable companies ?
The cable and satellite companies also claimed they had no choice to pass along a increase for the Local Programming Improvement Fund in September, 2009 when the CRTC clearly stated they didn't need to ( line 357, Broadcasting Public Notice CRTC 2008-100, dated October 30th, 2008). And then there was "negative billing"...
Local tv is everything to my family. We can't all afford to pay for cable but local tv has provided us with up-to-date news, weather, sports, and other interesting and important stories. Without local tv my family would be lost.
I noticed censorship was going on when LocalTvMatters (dot) ca had a Public Message Board.
You heard me correct, most of the people were protesting on LocalTvMatters and than they closed the Public Boards and had one comment supporting TV stations.
They DO want more money. They want the same fees the cable providers get since the lack of that fee is causing them to loser money. End result - WE lose local programming. And the cable providers call it a bullshit fee grab when they are the ones who should be paying for it.. but they pass it on to you.
I won't take time to muddle through the specifics.. but bottom line.. local programming is totally dependant on commericials (which have declined due to economy and other issues) and they're asking for same fees that cable companies, etc. get (who ALSO get commericial revenue). Proof is when cable companies et al. bought local stations for $1 each and then turned around and asked for gov't money.
Heres another way to look at the nonsense and spin local TV broadcasters are trying to force feed us:
Dont we, the television viewing audience, deserve a cut of the $400 million that local broadcasters made last year? Without us theyd have no advertisers. We (the audience) are the one and only reason they were able to bring in hundreds of millions, yet they share not even a single nickel of that profit with us. Is this fair? Bottom line: Wheres my bailout?
Let me see 400 million that the cable / sat companies are saying that ctv & global made in a combined profit. How many stations is that? Now did the cable and satellite companies ever bother to mention the billions that they are currently making in profit.
Now back to the 400 million that cable & sat companies claim that ctv & global made, now who is making the profits and who are losing, operations like toronto may be making some profit, many other markets are losing.
Dave Carroll is half-right. Why should you pay for it at all when these companies give it away for free in the first place?
That's what having a TV broadcast license is all about. The cable company shouldn't charge anything for those stations (except to maintain your line) and CTV et al shouldn't see a dime either unless they stop broadcasting their signal for free.
(I lost all respect for Dave Carroll due to this song, BTW.)
shepd3 1 week ago
Dave Carroll rocks. Proud Canadian!
catherinek58 2 months ago
I remember this song as being a commercial.. Good times, back when commercials were funny, not just mind numbingly boring like they mostly are now a days
irssssss 5 months ago
Where is Jim Carrey? :O ^^)
Beech165 7 months ago
I don't even get canadian local channels :(
Bertziethegreat 9 months ago
Years ago I live in town and had cable. They kept raising the price so one day I called and told them to disconnect. I got switched to three different people who all tried to talk me into staying on by offering extras. Finally, I told the third person I would not be paying the bill any longer and they asked," WHY"? I told them I was tired of price hikes every two months and hung up.
I now have a nice big antenna on the side of the house and watch TV for free.
BYE BYE CABLE....
donteverlietome 10 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I want this song!
irssssss 11 months ago
Rogers = CityTV
Shaw = GlobalTV
CTV = Bell , oh sorry, they use to own them. :P
CBC = Telus , lol
As you can see the tv and cable companies are either ripping themselves off or ripping you off.
CrewRite 11 months ago
I love this guy. he's not afraid to bash anyone who pisses him off. keep rolling dave!!!!
jtawil123 1 year ago 3
Dave carroll is the best! he did a great job with this song!!
doaktownrocks 1 year ago 5
Satellite/ Cable gives 'local tv' extra coverage that they would not normally get thus giving 'local tv' more revenue from sponsors.
Sat/Cab should be charging them for the service, either that or blackout 'local tv' none stop commercials with their own.
How would 'local tv' sponsors like that? it would be better for you to just stay quiet or it might just bight you back,
This should be about choice, If I don't want it I shouldn't pay, this is the world of internet, 'local TV' does NOT matter.
RUDEC0Y0TE 1 year ago
While I agree with the general premise, I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion.
Compared with 30-40 years ago, it seems everyone and their second cousin's brother's hairdresser can get their 15 minutes of airtime these days, ya know?
At the same time, after a 20 year hiatus from 'tv', I was astonished to discover COMERCIALS on cable channels. (Does anyone else remember when 'cable' held the promise of 'pay up front so you don't have to see the damn commercials'?)
But, Dave is a total cutie.
MyLatestEscape 1 year ago
I don't trust cable companies either. They can't provide reliable signals. they have poor performance, and to make it worse, have the guts of placing phone calls, offering more and more services, when we are already dissatisfied with what we get.
DECACOWBOY 1 year ago
@sexysax92 every channel on canadian tv has commercials. is every channel free?
the fact is the cablecos pay for every channel but not the locals. the ancient agreement of free rebroadcasting doesnt make sense anymore. i do think local channels need to make more of their own programming and rely less on purchasing US shows, but doesn't almost every channel on canadian tv not do that too?
theRealSlimJordan 1 year ago
I couldn't agree with you more. But as long as you are around my friend we will never be out of story tellers. Great job!
Never2Old2Learn 1 year ago
A new Gordon Lightfoot perhaps?
maxsmodels 1 year ago 3
@maxsmodels I was just thinking more like Loudon Wainwright III
mikepcap 1 year ago
Shaw Cable now has 80% control of GlobalTV
CrewRite 1 year ago
Right On Dave, from my guitar to yours,,,,well said,, love your style, my brother.
Dale
Martin00028Guitar 1 year ago
We need local TV!
Dave Carroll takes the words right out of my mouth.
Who IS going to tell our stories if the storytellers are gone?
MewWolf5 1 year ago
Another thought-provoking and entertaining production from these gifted musicians. Hoorah!
Kendakei 1 year ago 12
Never trust the cable company.
How can it be fair for cable to pay for american channels but not our own?
I cant rebroadcast copyrighted works for free, why should the cable company have that right?
theRealSlimJordan 2 years ago 16
@theRealSlimJordan
local stations like CTV's agreed to a "free" business model, where cable co.'s carry their signal for free and CTV would get profits from advertising. CTV is asking to negotiate compensation, but the CRTC can't trust them with a "new tax with no benefits" because they will just blow it on more american shows. Yeah, if we pay the rights to our foreign programming, why can't Shaw pay the FFC; cause its a tax with no new benefits-- a short term sol'n. Thats how it's "fair".
sexysax92 1 year ago
@sexysax92 actually they wont be able too as CRTC will have more control on there PRofits
prckay 1 year ago
@theRealSlimJordan I agree with you
They raised my Bill and now I get less channels which i payed for.... now the channels that i did paid for i dont get.. so now it means i need to dig into my pockets more. local tv rocks
prckay 1 year ago
This guy is great. I love his music and his message. I just wish whoever is in charge of the camera would get his/her eyes checked. Enough camera blur -- not effective!
avivamattnoah 2 years ago 2
Local tv channels have to first stop buying all the Amercian TV shows. If I want to watch an Amercian show I'll go to an Amercian station. Not CBC or CTV or any other Canadian channel.
ramona7609 2 years ago 2
We already seem to struggle trying to find the minimum required amount of Canadian programming that is any good.
UnjustifiedCruelty 2 years ago 2
I Love Local TV
prckay 1 year ago 2
@ramona7609
In 1986, "Dr. Who" was up against re-runs of "The A-Team", so I'd say that phenomenon is not unique to Canada.
A1l2l2e2n4 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Local stations should be run like any other buis. If you can't make it, then that's it your done. Look at places like Walmart, Mcdonalds, Tims. They only allow so many of these buis. in a certain area because they know the population can only support so many. Like any other buis, the more of them the less money for all of them and only the best survive. Tv stations need to understand that the buis, can only support so many stations and will adv. on the best ones, the rest go under. Simple
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
its not about "the best" surviving its about the most competitive. That competition is gained from hammering the suppliers...take milk.....in the uk we have a situation wher the farmers are making such a pittance on milk the supermarkets will sell milk at a break even...why they know that people guage their prices on milk bread eggs etc... much of our milk comes from intensive farming in holland now I have lived in teh states great country but you must lessen the power of the corporates,
muppet9 2 years ago
No you need to get the facts, and you won't get them from an industry mouthpiece. FACT - For the past 50+ years advertising has paid for network TV, and has been shown on cable for free. FACT - network TV still contains advertising, in fact it contains more than ever. FACT - With innovations in content delivery causing reductions in profit, networks are trying to figure out how to make more money. Whats hard to do? Actually innovate and provide new products. Whats an easy target? Cable users....
brunes007 2 years ago 2
actually, I see that you are from the U.S. This is not about your local programming this is about ours. When cable first came to Canada,the cable company promised that it would support local tv stations and that we would not lose them. Here in sk, we have a fundraiser, the telemiracle that supports people with disabilities, no local tv, no telemiracle.Did you even go to local tv matters site and check the facts on how this effects our country? or who will end up paying?
mamabear266 2 years ago
@mamabear266 I am most certainly NOT from the US (Location on the Internet often does not represent reality). If you think that "local TV" will go away, you have had the wool pulled over your eyes by Bell and Global.What if cable did not exist? Do you think that network TV for some reason would also stop when there are eyeballs to be had? If so then how did it exist for 50 years without cable? Network TV is funded by advertising, not taxes or cable. Always has been and how it should remain.
brunes007 2 years ago
@brunes007 You have it right. Also, in many markets, local TV IS the cable company. RogersTV in this area for example. Without Rogers here in NB, we would have no local programming since CBC, Global, and CTV all broadcast out of Halifax. If taxed, New Brunswickers would be supporting someone else's TV, not theirs.
cableguy1111 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Brunes007; Glad to see someone else fighting the insane (TV Tax Grab). It's amazing how so many people have NO idea that local channels get advertising income. For 25 years we had 3 buis and we never paid the cable provider we always paid the local station, (50+ years in buis). When your tv signal is all weird who do you call? your local station HA. No you call your cable or sat. provider. People next time your tv goes out call your local station, see what they say.
The song is still crap
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
this video is bad and you should feel bad
ratiman 2 years ago
I seriously think most people who "support local TV" have no clue what is actually going on. This whole thing is just a cash grab by the big media companies in Canada. If I wanted to watch local TV, then I wouldn't have cable in the first place, as it is free over the air! Why should I have to pay a sucharge on my cable bill to pay for TV stations that I do not even want on my cable (local TV is FORCED on all cable customers by the CRTC).
brunes007 2 years ago
you need to get the facts, go to local tv matters, as far as what you choose to watch, it is your choice, pornography is available thru the cable companies does not mean I choose to watch it but someone else would. As a Canadian I want things to stay Canadian, ie: our canadian news should come from here not there
mamabear266 2 years ago
@mamabear266 Finally, if you think that local TV and local news will somehow go off the air if this TV tax is not passed, then you are very gullible.
brunes007 2 years ago
Keep Local News
pce from London ONT, Achannel news
EVEREST234 2 years ago 2
Good work.
American culture is awesome - in America, but other cultures should be protected.
Unfortunately this wont get the help from Youtube that it deserves because they prefer American content too.
TheJapanChannelDcom 2 years ago
Does anyone know anything about the background music that was used for the localtvmatters ads?
I believe it was played by violin.
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
I wanna come back to Canada just so I can play gigs with you guys - Damn you write some cool stuf!!! Love it!!!
CAGuitarGirl 2 years ago 3
I think this video is awesome .I have CKY from Winnipeg.And I need it. If cable has been taking the free ride off someone back ,like this shows.I think that's pathetic, In this day and age for a co orperation to milk a small one.
kyta639 2 years ago 3
I Love This Tune, very catchy... but i also love my local tv, and i think it's about time that we stood up to the cable company, GOOD JOB GUYS, KEEP IT UP!! They are taking the prophits from the stations that could go into important projects, suck as fundraisers, wishfunds, etc. I don't know what i'd do with the 6:00 NTV evening news hour. it has become a family tradition since the first broadcast to have supper cooked, and sit down with the family just to watch. a real family moment.
Moi2202 2 years ago 4
The cable companies are on their way out. Period. In three years there will be a device to receive on your smart phone AND project that onto a larger screen, in much the say way ipods can be hooked up to a Bose sound system carriage (I'm sure there are many brands...) and make your music stereophonic. All I can say is don't sign any long term contracts!
MiseryPerv 2 years ago 2
It's amazing how you try to spin a persons words. Knowing very well that is not what I meant, but I guess you have to somehow justify the communist statement knowing very well that it's the so called big 3 doing the strong arm tactics.
And YES people would love to have hundreds of millions, did I mean of some companies money NO, I also said Canadians don't have that kind on money and we have to live within our means, as so should companies and if they can't to bad.
Go a head spin my words
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
If you mention it, it's clearly fair game. No you clearly said that the Canadians would like to have chance at the hundred of millions.
Once again you ignore smaller stations that are part of Local Matters like CHEK or NTV. Why do you continue to do such a thing?
But of course, what do I know, I'm just a commie that cares about local news and regulating cable rates.
Emarsee 2 years ago
It boggles the mind of how you continue to be against regulating cable rates but you don't want your cable rates to go up. Talk about hypocrisy.
Regulating the cable rates would mean cable and satellite wouldn't be allowed to raise their rates for NO REASON.
Emarsee 2 years ago
None of the broadcasters want you to pay a penny more, they want cable rates REGULATED so cable can't charge you more! They simply want cable to pay local stations value for their signal with the profits they already make from selling local stations. YOU ALREADY PAY FOR LOCAL STATIONS, it's just cable keeps all the money, the local stations just want some of the money cable makes from selling local stations, and they DON'T WANT YOUR BILL TO GO UP. How is this so hard for you to understand?
ILoveLocalTV 2 years ago
I agree with you
My bill for basic or vip is going up every year
for example i asked Rogers to see if they would add my Local TV Station new HD signal they said No
prckay 2 years ago
I pay for cable, I don't "pay for local stations". Local stations are force-fed to you thanks to the CRTC.
If cable had it's way all programming would be a-la-carte and you woudl be able to pick and choose channels and not have these stupid regulated packages the CRTC forces everyone to have. IE, why am I force-fed French channels when I don't speak French? Why am I force-fed CTV Toronto when I don't live there?
brunes007 2 years ago
By the way your saying I'm for redisturbution of wealth is completly wrong. When I say it's my money, I mean the money in my Wallet not the cable companies wallet. And money Canadians have in their wallets is theirs not the gov or the crtc and diff not the local stations. We will decide where to spend or support with OUR money not anyone else.
Simple as that.
But what do we know, we are just a bunch of commies.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
No you said 90% of Canadians would like to have a chance [at the companies] money.
Of course we will decide where we will spend our money. Cancel your cable subscription to send a message to CABLE and SATELLITE, your rates are TOO HIGH!
But of course, what do I know, I'm just a commie.
Emarsee 2 years ago
For once I agree with you. The coomis, as you put it, is the CRTC who objects against the cable company charging PER channel a la carte. IF gov't left TV to free enterprise, you would be able to call the cable company, and select only the channels you would want to watch and pay for. Keep supporting this Local TV cause, it's a waste of time and effort. Lobby the CRTC and your local MP instead.
cableguy1111 1 year ago
Down here in the USA , local cable companies typically offer several packages. The most basic package usually includes NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, and the CW network , as well as the local public TV station . Other packages include more channels. The term "premium channels" is usually used to refer to such outfits as HBO, Showtime, STARZ, Cinemax, and Disney. The cable companies don't charge on an a la carte basis, except for those events that are specifically pay-per-view (usually athletic events).
A1l2l2e2n4 1 year ago
Whatever, anyone that doesn't want to pay more money is now a commie?. OKAY well than I guess I'm a commie. I guess 90% of Canadians are commies. That's the arguement. If you don't want to pay more for the same thing your a commie. Believe like the supporters of this obscene bill or your a commie. Support local nothing or your a commie.
Umm just thought of something what is more commie like than to force another company to pay their profits to the poorer one?????
Sounds commie to me
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
Once again, you're ignoring the facts. You already pay for local TV. Why should anybody pay twice. Under your definition, I would be a proud commie as I don't want cable bills to go up, as would the broadcasters.
I guess the only people who aren't commies are the cable companies then!
Emarsee 2 years ago
I'm a communist cause I don't want to pay more money?
Well I guess than 90% of the people in Canada are communists?.
WOW
Not even sure how to answer that. It's stupid, crazy and insane all at the same time. That really is a talent.
34 hours and counting
And YES people that don't want to pay more for nothing will be happy.
I will say one thing, you have stuck to your guns, and I give you credit for that. You want to believe what you believe fine. That's why we live in a free country.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
No, you said "these companies saying we can't survive on hundreds of millions when 90% of Canadians would love to have a chance at that money". Which is redistribution of wealth, which was practised in communist countries like the Soviet Union.
I don't want to pay more for local TV because I ALREADY PAY and so do you. None of that money goes towards local. The BDUs want you to pay TWICE for local TV, and they don't even want to negotiate fair compensation for the locals.
Emarsee 2 years ago
In 34 hours it won't matter anymore.
People will eiher pick the left side or right side.
I personally don't think it will go through. The crtc will have a very hard time justifing it to Canadians if they care what Canadians think.
I'v heard a lot of people are starting to write politicians to stop this.
And for me I wont have to listen to this stupid song anymore.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
Canadians care about local news, opinion polls prove that, ratings prove that and public support proves that. If the CRTC has the balls to do the right thing, it will be the approval of a form of negotiation for value.
The CRTC will look bad to if they allow a majority stations to shut down. The government will look bad if they allow a majority of the stations shut down. The only people that will be celebrating will be the BDUs and people like you.
Emarsee 2 years ago
OH one more thing, when all your friends get their cable bills then you can tell them the reason why the rates have jumped and why they should be SOOOO happy to pay more. Should be an interesting conversation.
And on my end, everyone I know has said some perty nasty things about the so called big 3 networks. I guess to us having that extra little bit of cash in our pockets means something.
Rem people it's OUR money not the big 3's now they want it.
$60 - $120 a year, for what?
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
You asked if I work for the cable companies I can say NO to that.
I'm just a fellow Canadian that is sick of paying out of my wallet more and more and now seeing some of these companies saying we can't survive on hundreds of millions when 90% of Canadians would love to have a chance at that money. But we won't and we have to keep working and live within our means and these companies can't, so now we have to pay so they can play with OUR money.
I say enough NOT ONE MORE CENT OF My Money.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
So you're advocating communism here. You want the profits of the BDUs to go to your pockets so they pay you instead of you paying them.
WTF?!?!?!?
This is not Soviet Russia, the consumer is responsible for paying the supplier, not the other way around.
Emarsee 2 years ago
They want to " re-regulate the costs" haha OKAY
What do we as the consumer get?
More tv channels? NO
Better signal, quality? NO
Cheaper Rates? HAHA NO
Better Local News? NO
How about a free Pizza? NO
I know what we get, we get the satisfaction of knowing that we are paying more for nothing. BUT we are getting something, the same programming, same quality same signal. Now it all makes sense, we should be glad to pay more for nothing. Now we can all sleep better.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
Re-regulation of cable and sat rates means one thing. Re-regulation of money out Canadian pocket books. Simple as that.
Why not admit this will do one thing and cost us the consumer more money. NO don't want cbc and the other 2 to admit that.
Imagine going into a supermarket and the teller says $75 please O but you now owe us $85 you would say WHAT, WHY O because it's us. You don't get more food just we want more money now THANKS.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
Where the hell did you even get something like that? Of course cable rates will rise, even when regulated, but the Government can control the increases. It's unreasonable to not raise cable rates, but to raise them at their current rates is unacceptable.
Your supermarket analogy wouldn't work as the increases take place gradually over time with the factors of supply and demand, and inflation.
Emarsee 2 years ago
You don't think we are going to pay more with this obscene bill. HAHAHA
Well then I have some swamp land for sale for you.
That was a good one. Everyone read that, 3 companies forcing other companies to pay them money and our bills won't go up.
We should be glad that a few Canadian companies are making money, even if it's in the evil billions. These cable and Sat. companies hire thousands of people all across this country.
This is nothing but strong arm tactics. Who is the real badguy?
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
Comment removed
Emarsee 2 years ago
If regulated, the CRTC controls how much increases are allowed each year. No downsides.
You're also ignoring that besides CBC, CTV and Global, smaller stations like CHEK, V and NTV are also a part of the Local TV Matters campaign. They don't want your bills to go up, nobody wants the cable bills to go up besides the executives at the BDUs. Which brings me to these two questions. Do you have any relations with cable and satellite? Why are you against the reregulation of cable and satellite?
Emarsee 2 years ago
Furthermore, everybody that I've talked to, even those who are against fee-for-carriage would like to see cable rates reregulated again. I don't know why you would oppose the reregulation of cable rates, and support the status quo. Status quo = higher cable rates.
Emarsee 2 years ago
Here is something else to ponder.
The local cable companies hire more local people than the local tv station does. Someone has to go out and repair and install new lines.
I ask anyone reading this board to just phone up CBC or CTV or who ever the local station is and just do a simple test, tell them that your tv signal is very bad or cut out and see what they say. Who will they say to contact. I WONDER WHO???
Will the local weather man come out? I doubt it.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
The stations know what's wrong with their signals. They won't redirect you.
Emarsee 2 years ago
It really is just amazing that you can't figure out who the LITTLE GUYS are. And who is going to get really hurt.
Let me tell you AGAIN
MY BANK ACCOUNT is going to get hit. People with a fixed income is going to get hit. Anyone that is sick of paying more for nothing. Along with millions of other Canadians.
Isn't it funny how the save your local tv adds NOT ONE TIME have ever mentioned " O by the way everyones tv bills are going up" wonder why?
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
Comment removed
Emarsee 2 years ago
It's really amazing that you haven't the other part of the LocalTVMatters campaign.
They want to reregulate cable rates. So you DON'T have to pay more. I don't know why your're opposing your cable rates regulated while complaining that cable rates are increasing.
Can't afford cable? Cancel it. Television is not a right.
Emarsee 2 years ago
The cable and Sat companies supply 90% of the viewing audience for the local station. They also supply all the cable lines or sat freq. They also supply all the upgrades for tv viewing or if you have a prob. who do you call???
I ask anyone to call the local station in your area and tell them you are having problems with your tv signal. They will tell you to call your local cable or sat. who ever you are with.
What or why do they think they deserve more of our money. For doing what???
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
When are people going to figure this out. This is NOT going to hurt the cable and sat companies. It's going to hurt the real little guys us the consumer.
Yes lets make the multi million dollar companies richer by strong arming the the billion dollar company for more money.
The so called big 3 can't get anymore money so we will just strong arm the crtc into forcing the cable and sat company to pay out their profits. WOW sounds so right. Sounds like something Obama would do.
This is CRAZY!
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
So you mean THIS IS AN EVIL SOCIALIST PLOT TO DESTROY AMURIKA BY NOBAMA?
Geez, of course the consumers are going to get hurt. They're going to lose their local news. Cable companies have been increasing their profits for years now, just now, BCE has reported their profits had doubled. Of course it won't hurt them. Once again, cable and satellite screws over the viewers.
Emarsee 2 years ago
Wait, did he say it will kill local shows, If it kills corner gas then i support the cable companies
88hammond88 2 years ago
I'm fairly sure that Corner Gas is already gone...
Mewalds 2 years ago
Corner Gas isn't local programming....
Emarsee 2 years ago
hahahahaha, we should not pay more
logitechboys09 2 years ago
The reference I made to "Private Broadcasters" going to "Social Services" was pure sarcasm, intended to reaffirm the point that what these "Private Broadcasters" want in short, is indeed "Welfare" at the people's expense. It was not intended to be a real suggested course of action.
Tiberiusduck 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
This "Money Pit" they call the C.B.C. is already funded by the taxpayers to the annual tune of $1,200,000,000,00. What a complete waste of taxpayer dollars. As for "Corporate Welfare" for "Private Broadcasters", that's what "Social Services" is for.
Tiberiusduck 2 years ago
Anyone ever wonder why some of these local station can't make it? Could it be that the station sucks. I mean why isn't the local buis and population supporting the station? I mean if the buis in the area aren't advertising on them there is a reason. And blaming cable is crazy, because cable gives the local station 10 times the viewers. Logic has to say there has to be a problem with the station, bad programming, bad tv personalities. There is a reason people don't tune in. Some just suck.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more. Mostly run by stupid old white guys with huge salaries. And they wonder why they're going broke. Sheesh.
offcentre11 2 years ago 2
And by passing this obscene bill will help control cable rates LOLOLOLOLOL O man that was good.
By charging everyone in Canada more money OR what I should say all the "cable or Sat companies" This going to give us better tv and control rates. I suppose next the cable and sat companies won't pass this on to us "the consumer"
Well I needed a good laugh today.
Just rem people your bill could go up anywhere from $5 to $10 a month. $60 - $120 a year. For NOTHING I MEAN NOTHING
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
cable companies are out of control for sure
they keep rising our rates including our basic cable and taking less channels away and chargin us for more than less what we have
prckay 2 years ago
love the "Story Tellers" quote♥
rugbygirl96 2 years ago
fuck the tax!
Chakkahakka27 2 years ago 5
@Chakkahakka27 it not a tax
cable companies are making it think that it is
but it not
prckay 2 years ago
The Reality Cable companies produce more local tv them CTV and CBC combines CPAC is owned by the cable companies and they run it with no comercials they also have there own local channels in larger centers. I live in a city of 60,000 and our ctv station closed in 2001 so don't ask me to save local tv it's already gone
blakemc25 2 years ago 3
You live in a city of 60,000 where the CTV station closed. Where the hell is that?
drummondcreek1 2 years ago
North Bay ON or Timmins or sue ste marie take your pick. all of are local station were closed and we are left with sudbury as our ctv provider. lost almost all north bay content
blakemc25 2 years ago
Canadian distributors are forced to carry local signals and place them in their basic packages. Distributors charge for basic packages for the use of the network they have paid to put in place, for upgrades and maintenance to that network. Included in basic packages are channels that the distributors pay to carry. The broadcasters have also had less and less unique Canadian programming and more purchased programming from U.S. broadcasters, why should distributors have to pay for these decisions?
IkitomeNekanavious 2 years ago
Here is an idea, next time something goes wrong with your tv signal, call up ctv or cbc or global and complain that your tv went out. Know what they will say, call the cable company. Wonder why? cause the cable companies own the cable lines. These big 3 don't do anything except ride on the cable and sat backs but now want money to ride.
Amazing
But how many times do we have to say this.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
This bill won't hurt Shaw or Rogers, Bell, Starchoice or who ever else, it's going to hurt the little guy, and the little guy is not the local broadcasters, the little guy is the consumer. Cable and Sat will NOT pay this out of their own pockets, WE will pay it out of OUR pockets, and whoever is on a fixed budget will feel it.
And we don't get nothing for it. Same tv, no upgrade, no better signal. Just POOF there goes our money to give a multi mil dol company more money.
It's crazy
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
For the final time we "Canada " are not the same country as the "Americans" our laws are not the same (thank goodness)
HEY if you look I bet England and the rest of Europe also have diff. Broadcasting laws.
If this is your only arguement about fcc and crtc. It's a really sad arguement.
But I'll even go further for you. I have always heard that ctv is also gov. funded BUT if they aren't GREAT. BUT they still don't deserve somebody elses profits. For doing nothing.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
There is nothing we could say to change your mind. look up the info for yourself.
The people that are against this obscene bill will always be against it, the people that believe that big buis is wrecking our country will be for this obscene bill.
Until you get your cable or sat bill. Then reality will hit you right between the eyes.
To late then. cough up the 5 - 10 bucks a month.
I guess we will have to wait to see what the idiots at the crtc have to say.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
Could the cable networks charge the local TV stations for carrying their signal or could the cable networks refuse to carry the local TV signals instead of being forced to pay the local TV stations?
x7j4 2 years ago
The crtc forces the cable companies to carry the local stations, for free.
sweet deal eh!
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
If the cable networks have incurred all the costs to setup and maintain the cable network, then why should they pay the local TV stations? It seems that the local TV stations should be paying the cable network companies for distributing that signal to everyone; it seems the cable companies are providing a free service to the local TV stations.
x7j4 2 years ago
Local TV stations have always broadcast their signal for free; in the past the signal was broadcast by the local TV station and the signal was picked-up by a TV antenna on the roof of each house, or by 'rabbit ears' on the TV set. Now the signal is broadcast through a cable network instead of through the air, so why should the cable companies pay the local TV stations for a signal that has always been broadcast for free by the TV station?
x7j4 2 years ago
I love the song, it's catchy.
With that said, cable providers are required by the CRTC to carry the local tv stations. HBO is a horse of a different colour. I am not required to buy HBO to get other channels, but all the local channels are required. I can understand that the local television stations would like some of the money paid for basic cable, but the fact of the matter is it will raise cable bills & they already broadcast for free.
If I can opt out, all the power to 'em.
harnishg 2 years ago
We don't have to explain nothing to you, we are 2 diff countries period. What the States does is there buis not ours. And If you haven't noticed they aint doing so good down there.
But if you want something fine, okay cable and sat pays some US local channels. CTV and CBC get gov funding. There solved, one gets no funding but gets a few dollars and the other side gets hundreds of mill. to basically put on some of the worse tv programs in history. Happy
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
CTV gets gov't funding? What kind of information are you reading?
You have not answered my question at all. That just shows you don't know why the Americans have FFC while the Canadians do.
Emarsee 2 years ago
Sellout.
mac100100 2 years ago 3
hes from where i live :D!
robotman5 2 years ago
local tv FTW
1underoath12 2 years ago
It's really not to hard to understand. The cable companies own the lines going to your house not the local channels, the sat companies send the signal to your house not the local channels, BUT the local channels are given a free ride on the cable lines and the sat signals. Not a bad deal, they get free signal ride and keep local advertisment income and don't have to worry about consumer upgrades or costs of up keep. But now they want part of the profits, for what?
Just think about it.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
zactly..... finally someone else who knows the system. Now that the locals business plan is going in the toilet, they want a piece of the cable or Satellite pie cause they are doing sooooo well. I am not for any greedy assed increase just dont want local to get away with this sleazy ploy...let em die see what comes of it...
DonDon0011 2 years ago
Once again why should cable and sat companies give local channels a free ride on their system. OH YEA the crtc makes them. As I said before if they are forced to pay local channels part of their profits then it'll be time for local channels to also start paying the costs of upgrade to city and country cable and sat grids.
And if you actually think the cable and sat companies won't pass this on to the consumer well then I have some swamp land for sale.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
I'm sick of everyone getting this wrong.
THERE IS NO TV TAX !
The 2 billion $ profitable cable company used that word because they know the MASSES ARE STUPID!!!
It's about the Networks wanting to Not give their services to the cable company for FREE ANY MORE.
If someone Taxes YOU, it will be the cable company because now they won't have the free ride that's helped them make Billions.
No local TV means your community will
NOT BE REPRESENTED ANY MORE???
Local TV Does Matter. Be Represented!
hitgong 2 years ago
Are you not listening....look one last time buddy, you have it all wrong. back in the beginning cable said to local "look we will give you guys expanded viewership and expanded money from more people watching and you let us carry your signals for free. This went on for decades and still does only nowadays cable has to carry local. Problem here is how many local do you need to pay for . Sure as hell not all of them. Cable saw and still does not see any of that extra money from more viewership
DonDon0011 2 years ago
Explain to me why the American local signals get fee for carriage from the American cable and satellite companies.
Emarsee 2 years ago
Don Don . You called me Buddy! I am touched. I say a truce. I want to hear you. At the end of the day Both of us want a good fare deal for ourselves as viewer Correct? I'll be honest and I hope you are too. It's hard to know if its Networks or cable that is screwing us.
Simple researched publicly available facts.
Viewership is was limited to what the broadcast towers did when boundary were established. No greatly expanded viewers but Yes you are Right Cable has been getting it Free.
Your Turn.
hitgong 2 years ago
After working in "local" as everyone calls it for 25 years, I have an insight to this that makes the whole thing perverse. what I and any other longtimers know is the locals now want something they do not deserve nor have they any right to. And as for your viewership comment. The amount locals could charge for commercials went astronomical after cable took them on signal wise in there packages. To long and tedious to explain here trust me let em die see what comes out...
DonDon0011 2 years ago
neither of these players is in the right. But I will be damned if I will pay for saving anyones failing business. the CBC throws money out the window, CTV has just been lucky up till now but it would be where I would put my money if I could chose. Global was doomed from the start with Izzies inept kids at the helm and Chum was just dreamin period. Let em all die and see what comes out of it or let me pick who I support and let compitition reign. You want my 10 bucks, impress me constantly
DonDon0011 2 years ago
I'm not sure what to say. You still talking as if this is a TAX for you.
It's a publicly accessible fact that this is about Local Networks asking the 2 billion dollar Cable industry to pay for what they have been getting for free.
You sound like a pissed off former employee!?
We let local theaters and Books stores die, and now their all owned by One Couple. We let small business die to Wal Mart. And now everything is made in China.
Do you think this is all a good thing? Yes I know .. You do.
hitgong 2 years ago
fuck local TV. If you cant compete in a free and open market then you can go fuck your selves. I shouldn't have to pay for your shit local programming.
sabram24 2 years ago
If we don't have local TV we loose our community and the chance to call ourselves Canadians as we may as well be just another US State!
kathyloveselton 2 years ago
I have heard this since I was a kid, and 40 years later our local channel is still here and radio has increased from 1 to 4. We will not loose our Canadian way of life. And we will not loose our local channels.
And we diff will not become a US state.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago 3
Comment removed
goodstockmedia 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Idiot!!!!!!
kathyloveselton 2 years ago
Comment removed
goodstockmedia 2 years ago
The milks in the Song is reffering to Local TV signals
prckay 2 years ago
They can't cry and say I want more money for nothing, If they want the sat and cable systems to pay them. Then they better step up to the plate and help pay the costs of major upgrades and the on going expenses of new cable lines and repairs. You can't say I want but then say I'm not going to help pay for anything.
We all go to work and get paid for it. Should ctv and cbc get some other companies profits just because it's them. How is that right?
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
I'm trying to be respectful and understand you.
The cable company makes 2 billion in profits. The vast majority of local Stations that bring the local news and represent the local people are barely getting by and only a few are making the millions talked about.
Here where I really don't get you. I understand if you go to work you get paid. But why do you think The local TV network should give Cable their services free.
Peace
hitgong 2 years ago
That's why they call them speciality channels, TV Land, Movie Time, National Geographic. If you want them you pay for them. They also recieve advertising income, as do the local channels from their home cities and surrounding areas. They reach houndreds of thousand of people that would never see them unless they piggy backed off the sat and cable systems. If the local channels want money from the cable guys then they can start to help pay the costs of upgrading and expanding cable, sat grids.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
but the problem is we are already paying for our Local TV
it part of our Basic Cable or Basic Satilitte and even part of the VIP
prckay 2 years ago
Local channels don't pay to be on sat. or cable. Infact the local advertising income goes to the local channels, NONE that I know of goes to the cable or sat.
Another fact is, local channels don't spend any money to help cable system increase their grid on the ground. Cable companies are always installing new lines for new housing areas and upgrading their own systems including the sat companies.
The local channels broadcast on the cable lines and pay nothing.
Who owes who money?
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
Then why am I paying for the cable? We should just all go back to Antenna tv, it was free...
Govt is investing in 'broadband networks' which is essentially what our cable tv goes through... over $110 Million in Ontario alone.
Now that extra $10 tax on cable bills the cable companies say will ensue if they have to support local tv I do not agree with... they just don't want to cut into their profit...
I guess we'll see what bogus scheme the CRTC comes up with ! lol
payleec 2 years ago
Exactly, the local channels are just riding a long for free, but now lets get paid for doing nothing and do you really think that if the crtc goes a long with obscene tax that the little guys in small centers will actually get one dime or will it all go to the big boys in Toronto.
Actually the sat guys could easily just say okay we are just going to air the national ctv and cbc channels the rest are out and there massive audience once again is just local. They don't have to air them.
Insane
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
Really? Really? All of the speciality channels receive fee for carriage from the cable and satellite companies. All of the American stations receive FFC from their American cable and satellite companies.
Now answer these two questions. Is it fair that the local stations receive nothng? Are you against the reregulation of cable rates?
Emarsee 2 years ago 2
love it
hockeyluv1 2 years ago
this song should be a download on itunes
it a good song
88watchman 2 years ago
the truth is all news stations are important especially the local ones.
TheMeetspins 2 years ago 3
The only important news station is the one you watch that night. Why do I have to pay to save all of them. Let em die see what comes out of it...
DonDon0011 2 years ago
You already pay for local, but none of that money goes towards local television. If the BDUs get their way, you will have to pay twice.
The broadcasters want you to only pay once and for the reregulation of cable rates. Are you for cable rates going higher?
Emarsee 2 years ago
you dont pay for local already. not in the sense that its on your bill as a special service. You pay for the line and the channels that are offered just like your cell phone and the package you pay for. Local tv and cable have had a scratch my back scratch yours deal for decades dealing with viewship counts and commercial price postings. Neither side is right in raising prices but the local guys are just being greedy cause there business plan sucked. Let em die and see what comes of it...
DonDon0011 2 years ago
Saw CTV bring the cow costume from this video to the University of Ottawa a few days ago... what a farce.
corsterthegreat 2 years ago
You do know if they get their way this time by taxing everyones cable or sat bills, this will be only the start. It's like anything you give them a inch and the next thing they come back for the rest. This will be just the start. CTV and CBC are already making millions and millions (400 million), they just want more for doing nothing.
That doesn't even count for all the money the gov. gives them.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
It's funny how the save the local station adds not once tell people that everyones cable or sat bills will go up anywhere from $5 to $10 a month. That's $60 to $120 a year.
And for what???
NOTHING
Here is an idea, cable and sat companies stop airing local stations. There now if you want the local station get a video splitter box. One side has some rabbit ears and the other side has cable. And does the CBC really matter anymore?
It's just a money pit.
mazdarx7gx 2 years ago
Choose to believe the BDUs lies and nothing good will happen. They're spreading LIES. The broadcasters don't want YOU to pay twice since you already PAY FOR LOCAL. The local station money is not going towards the local sattions.
Dropping the locals would be a PR disaster for the BDUs.
Emarsee 2 years ago
dropping the locals wouldn't only be PR disaster for the BDU's, how would you like to be the conservative MP going back to the home town that just lost their local TV station because their guy would not fight for supporting local tv.
drummondcreek1 2 years ago
If stations were to be dropped from cable and satellite it would likely be the main American networks because the Canadian networks are paying to broadcast their material to Canadians.
When Canadians tune into certain programs on the American networks on cable they already get the Canadian broadcast of the program, commercials and all.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Exactly, the Canadian networks retain exclusive rights to the programming they buy.
Emarsee 2 years ago
Why exactly would the local stations adverts discuss a rate that hasn't been negotiated, set or specified ? A rate that could easily be absorbed by the cable companies ?
The cable and satellite companies also claimed they had no choice to pass along a increase for the Local Programming Improvement Fund in September, 2009 when the CRTC clearly stated they didn't need to ( line 357, Broadcasting Public Notice CRTC 2008-100, dated October 30th, 2008). And then there was "negative billing"...
canucktunes 2 years ago
Welcome to Canada--our government is it's own money making scam! (no offence to the different views of political colonies)
DM1790 2 years ago
Local tv is everything to my family. We can't all afford to pay for cable but local tv has provided us with up-to-date news, weather, sports, and other interesting and important stories. Without local tv my family would be lost.
diebymymelee 2 years ago 4
buy a .75 paper and save the extra 10 dollars a month on the cable you dont have.
DonDon0011 2 years ago
SELL CBC!!
CrewRite 2 years ago
What would selling the CBC solve?
Emarsee 2 years ago
What do you think?
CrewRite 2 years ago
Yup, it would save the taxmayer ONE BILLION dollars annually!
cableguy1111 1 year ago
StopTheTvTax (dot) ca
CrewRite 2 years ago
I noticed censorship was going on when LocalTvMatters (dot) ca had a Public Message Board.
You heard me correct, most of the people were protesting on LocalTvMatters and than they closed the Public Boards and had one comment supporting TV stations.
CrewRite 2 years ago
well someone obviously has brain damage, local tv just wants more money, i say FUCK NO
MapleManiac0o 2 years ago
They DO want more money. They want the same fees the cable providers get since the lack of that fee is causing them to loser money. End result - WE lose local programming. And the cable providers call it a bullshit fee grab when they are the ones who should be paying for it.. but they pass it on to you.
BlackSoth2006 2 years ago 2
No rhyw dont want more money
i know local tv will WIN
prckay 2 years ago
If these channels have no money, how can they afford to air all these commercials?
DM1790 2 years ago
I won't take time to muddle through the specifics.. but bottom line.. local programming is totally dependant on commericials (which have declined due to economy and other issues) and they're asking for same fees that cable companies, etc. get (who ALSO get commericial revenue). Proof is when cable companies et al. bought local stations for $1 each and then turned around and asked for gov't money.
BlackSoth2006 2 years ago 2
as it is in there own Channels.....
it does not cosr Local TV to air there own Commericals
prckay 2 years ago 3
Somebody sell the CBC already.
Mr. Harper, PLEASE try and get CBC sold off.
CrewRite 2 years ago
STOP INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE
Heres another way to look at the nonsense and spin local TV broadcasters are trying to force feed us:
Dont we, the television viewing audience, deserve a cut of the $400 million that local broadcasters made last year? Without us theyd have no advertisers. We (the audience) are the one and only reason they were able to bring in hundreds of millions, yet they share not even a single nickel of that profit with us. Is this fair? Bottom line: Wheres my bailout?
davebot1969 2 years ago
Let me see 400 million that the cable / sat companies are saying that ctv & global made in a combined profit. How many stations is that? Now did the cable and satellite companies ever bother to mention the billions that they are currently making in profit.
pcuserdazzle 2 years ago 4
Now back to the 400 million that cable & sat companies claim that ctv & global made, now who is making the profits and who are losing, operations like toronto may be making some profit, many other markets are losing.
pcuserdazzle 2 years ago 4