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  • ok the starwars prequal reviews, i have to say f*ck you for that, but in this review, i agreed with every thing you said. this movie is completely rediculas

  • 4:03 Tie Fighter? D:

  • watching this movie was like watching phantom menace for the first time, I was in chock at how crappy it was and it did not take long before I realised the whole movie was pocahontas in 3d with blue shit and a save the planet message...

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  • This movie always has and always will be shit!

  • Avatar 2 should star Rob Schneider

  • I hate the Na'vi. In fact, this whole review is exactly what I would say. Exactly.

  • the best part of the video was when i turned on the captions...

  • the best way of waking up is acid in your cof...

  • And I can't help but laugh at those who disparage a movie cause they know the hero will fall in love and defeat the enemy. These same people probably line up to see the never-ending stream of remakes and sequels. Not to mention the endless superhero movies we get each year that mostly play out the exact same way time after time.

  • All this review made me want to do is watch Avatar again. I'd forgotten how stunning it is...predictable or not, there's not a movie out there that looks remotely like it. And hey, after all this is a visual medium.

  • The best part of waking up...

    lmao

  • The bet part of waking up is acid in your cup LOL!!

  • I dropped my thesaurus

    GOLD. =D

  • I guessed the ending of the film before I even went in, and got the ending spot-on. How more cliche could this movie have gotten. Come on James Cameron, you could've done better.

  • People actually sympathize for these blue faggots? Who cares? It's a goddamn movie about a bunch of blue shits who didn't wanna give up their land, regardless of how hard the humans tried to make things cool with them. Fuck this stupid piece of shit movie.

  • @Deadganon Who are you to assume all we want is action? Did you every think that we're just a little too smart to think the plot is at all interesting or engaging? It's a typical story about how humans are intolerant bastards and a savage alien race only wants peace... It is LITERALLY Dances With Wolves in space. Fuck off.

  • 4:04 definately a tie fighter

  • whoever thought this movie sucks or say it was boring.... go back to your call of duty games where there is 100% action u actionwhore... come back when u get out of your "action" stage of life where everything must revolve around action action action.... explosions too....

  • @doltBmB The humans offered things in exchange. Schools, medicines and all that. They tried being peaceful. Mary sues arent all self inserts. Even if they were, the Navi are still too perfect.

  • I want this video on my 630 unit.

  • This movie sucked balls

  • The most effective thing about Avatar was its ability to bore the shit out of me and not make me care about anything going on. What a pile of shit.

  • I am looking forward to the sequel. I am thinking the humans fly in on their helicopters, blaring Flight of the Valkerie while gunning everything down and then spraying the planet in agent orange. Just saying that would be a movie worth watching.

  • And the saddest part is, these movies make TONS of money, while more original ones do not.

  • CUTEEE!!!

  • 4:00 My doctor had to remove them after my bypass-UUUUUUUURRRGHHH!!!

  • Thumbs up if you like animals and hate humans

  • The Native Americans didn't have Taco Bell?

  • why is the review for star trek private?

  • WHATS RIGHT WITH YOUR FACE. lol

  • THE BESSST PAAAART OF WAKING UP IS ACID IN YOU CUUUP

  • Cameron's movies have a self aware, "look at me making movie history with this scene, and now this scene, and not THIS scene!"

  • So the Navi are the embodiment of the furby craze

  • Is there eally 20 minutes of this crap lol wtf.

  • @jakelaweryson compared to the three hour shitfest that was avatar, this stuff is golden

  • I don't need no messages! *SMASH*

  • 4:03 nice use of the tie fighter soundbyte...

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  • This movie made the most money ever. ergo it is the best movie ever.

    QED

  • Avatar was just Pocahontas in Space

  • @Hadam10Rose no it was ferngully you jerk

  • @piecharthosen No, in Ferngully they wanted to just cut down the forest and didn't know the fairies existed. In Pocahontas (the true story) they came to the new world, offered piece to them, then took what they wanted anyways. #LearnB4UComment

  • avatar was overrated and horrible

  • THE BEST PART OF WAKING UP IS ACID IN YOUR CU--

  • Even though i loved avatar. I found this hilarious.

  • @blacksun45 that's the whole point, lol. Its part of the joke

  • An enjoyable, funny and witty review that isn't bias towards this movie. Thank you!

  • I killed my Navi in the name of Plinkett!

  • you had grandkids in the 60's?

  • Wait... How is the eye of Sauron considered small and beady?

  • This is the biggest piece of overrate shit that has ever been my displease to see have been created.

  • @KITT171 No, it isn't. Seriously, if you think Avatar is the worst film you have ever seen then you must have only seen like 2 movies. I understand people not liking it but when people say "ZOMFZG its teh wurst film ever" they are only saying that because it is the highest grossing film of all time.

  • @flobbie12345 YOU have only seen two movies. I have seen to date a total of 3,668 movies from beginning to end, I write it down when I see one. I am saying it is the worst because IT IS. Same as Call of Dooty, who gives a fuck how much money it makes, it doesn't make it good, only sells that much because its considered "cool" even though its nothing more than a cash maker for Activision, same goes for this, show the monkeys pretty pictures, they declare it the best, YOU need to see more movies.

  • @KITT171 I'm not even going to respond properly to this.

  • @flobbie12345 Good don't.

  • @KITT171 the fact you mentioned COD proves flobbies point. you've obviously got something against their success. if COD and Avatar were less successful, I doubt you'd be calling them the 'worst ever'.

    it's just in your nature to distance yourself from something lots of other people like so that you feel like a unique and individual snowflake.

    well I got news for you, jumping on the 'hate' bandwagon is even worse than jumping on the 'like' bandwagon. at least those people have a reason.

  • @Kevtb87 I got news for you I don't care fuck off and don't bother me again, I know what the real truth is. Enjoy being blocked.

  • dose any one else think that avatar 2 should start with a human ship or two arriving followed by a fifty minuits of FUCKHUGE explosions as they roast those annoying blue fuckers?

  • @tomboi115 "Nuke the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure." Ripley sure knew how to deal with hostile aliens.

  • @metalrulez4evr Pretty sure a nuke would have destroyed the minerals they were after...

  • @tomboi115 Well I mean, think about it. The Navi retaliate which gives the human government authorization to use lethal, widespread military action. considering this is the future and that we've had, you know, NUCLEAR FUCKING BOMBS since the 40s, that entire planet would be nothing but ash the second the assumingly massive and technologically god-like Human fleet arrives.

  • @tomboi115 i agree. it shuld be about that. showing that you cant kill people without backlash. the first movie had that with navi, so how about the human families whos sons and daughters will never return?

  • Did anyone else notice that antibiotics, indoor plumbing and taco bell all go together?

    Maybe that's just my personal experience speaking.

  • This video went viral on Paraguay

  • By far the best movie reviewer in the whole internet, Mr Plinkett.

  • IT's just an old film based on Vietnam era politics and environmentalists stuff. Then they throw in a couple lines about 'Terrorism' and 'Shock and awe' and I'm supposed to think of how bad the invasion of Iraq was so supposed to be. I'm sure they hated making movies about it. They didn't make films about Americans killing the Taliban or Al Queda members with their bare hands despite what a great musical that would make.

    I mean... come on.

  • racist you are

  • @chrisx665 He's just acting.

  • I hate the Navi, too they don't act like actual people, I know they're not human but I'm pretty sure intelligent life forms from another planet would have distinct personalities

  • ur brilliant

  • i gotta say. you are the most intellegent, funiest, sarkastic voice/reviewer i have ever heard. i wanna see your FAACEE! :D

  • @drmedborn It's a character, portrayed in voice by Mike Stoklasa.

  • Everybody loves avatar. some love it, some love to hate it. Whereas I totally agree with him on every point criticizing SW: Prequelogy, this one is just a poorly structured nitpicking. And I even not a fan of A. Why can't racist white man be a military leader? Caus its future? It worked for thsnds of yrs. Doggy eyes? Love story? And this childish bitchin about "beeing played by hollywood oilsalesmen" like some kiddie gamefag whinin' baut an FPS lacking soul and made just for money. Bitch, please

  • @baburik I think what he's trying to say in regards to the racist general is that he was a cardboard cut-out character who's sole personality trait is being a racist. The thing is, this movie plays on a lot of cliches to try to get as many people as possible to love it (because people love being spoonfed the same shit over and over).

  • @superstaff well, duuh, should Cameron have made a movie, that got as few people as possible love it? Its a Hollywood popcorn flick, not an arthouse. 99% of all HW production consists of cliches (just tools). What matters is how you use it. I'm confused, that a guy who made almost scientific analysis of why SW:prequels suxballz and found something good in new StarTrek sunk so low and gave that one of shallow review. Oh well, maybe he didn't care and made it just because EVERYBODY did

  • @baburik Yeah, because it's a Hollywood movie, it's supposed to be pandering and appeal solely to the lowest common denominator? :/ And I think most of RedLetterMedia's reviews are informative and don't insult people's intelligence... But I guess someone like you wouldn't understand.

  • @baburik Because at the time he made this review, the DVD had not come out yet and he was unable to give it the in-depth roasting it truly deserved. I'd pay to see him redo the review using the deluxe edition DVD, but that would probably take 5 hours to watch.

  • I couldnt side with the Navi. They are xenophobic, unwilling to develop and a race of mary sues.

  • @Purpleisawesome93 they aren't xenophobic, they simply didn't take it verry well that someone opened fire on a school full of kids, that's why they hate humans

  • @notenufdaka Yeah true but the Navi started that situation by attacking some workers. It's not like the the humans are just going in guns-a-blazing from the very start. They've tried dealing with them peacefully and offered things to help them develop. For years by the way. You like the Navi then fair, but I can't side with them.

  • @Purpleisawesome93 they felt disgrunted that the RDA were cutting trees(or in other words attack their deity(who was real btw)) and they set a buldozer on fire in retaliation, nothing more. in retaliation for that, they shot the shool, full of childern who couldn't defend themselves. If you can't side with na'vi's at least don't side with the RDA

  • @notenufdaka

    Except the humans went to INSANE lengths to try and discuss mining, they did the entire avatar program, built schools, delayed operations, used only tear gas first etc but the blue shits continously refused every contact and the man they humans sent to parley did NOTHING except fucked the chieftains daughter.

  • @Purpleisawesome93

    Hear, hear!

  • @Purpleisawesome93 i agree. you whuld think they see advantage having humans as their friends. one culd even say they shelfish bastards for not moving and letting millions of people die cos they shelfish bastards.

  • @Purpleisawesome93 Not wanting to tear down your home that also happens to be thinking and alive just so some faggots from another planet can get some dumb rock? Yeah, real unwilling to develop.

    Dumbass.

    Mary Sue is a perfect self insert, I don't recall cameron ever being a supressed native american.

  • The Navis' faces are like over done plastic surgery

  • can you do a review of the last two matrix movies?

  • It was well made I know that, but...... I was not amused by it.

  • I have watched this review more times than the actual movie, literally, it's actually painfully dull to have to sit through Avatarded, I have seen it twice, I have seen this review roughly 5 times

  • @josswhedon692 What the fuck would Mike Stoklasa EVER have to be butthurt about? He's exactly right. This movie, aside from the impressive visuals, had nothing else to offer. Well, unless you're a brain-dead Joss Whedon fan.

  • Yeah, they went a bit overboard with the whole "The Na'vi are the protagonists and the Humans are the antagonists" thing, it's more like "The Na'vi are perfect in every way while Humans are psychotic bastards". Maybe it's just me, but it kind of pisses me off when people do that (sure, we can be selfish bastards but I just want to shake those people shouting "YOU'RE HUMAN TOO YOU KNOW!", 75% of the time it's probably either to get views or the makers have some escapism problems anyways)

  • The movie had some jaw-dropping gorgeous visuals. As a Disney movie with war and bloodshed, it does well. My mom LOVED IT. The humans DID fight in a slightly idiotic manner. However, I am a human supremacist. I watched it once, at the behest of my sister. And I raged. Oh God how I raged. With a little training and time, a freaking civilian like me could have masterminded a better suppression campaign than those corporate fuckwits. GOD-DAMMIT, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AWESOME! NOT SHITE!

  • As soon as I heard "Number One: The Story," I expected him to chant Pocahontas for about 10 seconds and move on to part two.

  • The disturbing thing about it is they have sex by putting there ponytail things together but that's also how they connect to the animals.

  • @zgm177111 They were not having sex like THAT. They were just sharing the experience with one another via the bio-USB ports they had. It was IN ADDITION to the sex.

  • @ josswhedon692. Not only does that statement not make no sense but it also shows what little comprehension and attention span you possess. Anyone who listens to the review finds that everything he says makes sense and is true with the only arguable parts being due to a matter of opinion. You're the butthurt one here obviously

  • Avatar was fucking retarded and cliche. How this made 2.5 billion amazes me. Especially considering it was one of the most overrated 3D fails of a movie i've seen in years. Strip away the pretty graphics and all you get is a cliche story that is about as predictable as movies could get. Its not complete garbage thoe, but still not a great movie. Characters are all one dimensional.

  • @halo6534 hollywood is losing what qualities, its sad

  • @superhuman295 Ya it is sad.

  • 0/10 you're just butthurt

  • @josswhedon692 Go away apatep.

  • @josswhedon692 You've obviously never seen Mike "I don't give a shit because I'm never sober" Stoklasa.

  • The true native americans are Solutrean European people who emigrated to America ca. 17000 BC, but were killed and replaced by asiatic nomads. Search "Solutrean Europeans" on google. Europeans have been through genocide hundreds of times, but apparently we're the only ones who're supposed to feel guilty. Europeans being killed off isn't important, we can't be victims, only perpetrators. Just look at Avatar!

    By the way, this movie is a manipulative, marxist propaganda piece.

  • @Sinekyre14 I find it both amusing and sad how people (especially ones on the right) keep on labeling everything they dislike as "marxist" and "socalist", when the fact is they have no idea what either of those are, even if it came along and bit them in the arse.

  • Lol look at the tags!

  • I freaking spit my tea when EYE of sauron poped out

  • Why does this guy's videos always have tits in the video recommendations????

  • The University of Pussy!

    Are they accepting applications?

  • @joker64473 Pretty sure music from the phantom menace is mostly salvaged from the originals.

  • I'm Asian. My eyes show that I'm evil =(

  • @guitarhamster102 but... but.. what about Mulan?

  • In case if anyone got offended with the Princess and the Frog part. All he said was "What a bunch of-" before the beep comes in.

  • all true but there are so few film makers that can use the "old tricks" successfully.

  • the reviewer is retarded...

  • @Metakkrist No, you are.

  • @gerardz101 You're also retarded I see.

  • @Metakkrist really i like his reviews there fun to much in my opinon

  • @Metakkrist How mature of you. I would like to see you formulate a superior, more sophisticated review to base your assumptions that the reviewer is "retarded" on. Get back to us when you're done. :)

  • @fiveosucks I was done in 2009.

  • @Metakkrist Then post a link to this "review" of yours. Perhaps I will make rash comments about your apparent "retardation".

  • @fiveosucks Well, can you read swedish?

    It doesn't matter what my review is like anyway, you ignorant haters would only dismiss it.

  • @Metakkrist I wouldn't mind running your review through Google translator.

    Oh, there you go again, making baseless assumptions.

  • @Metakkrist Explain how even one single part of this review is wrong. Every single part of this review is pure fact and common sense. Throwing around names across the internet with no evidence to back up your own side is more retarded than whoever may be retarded. You make yourself look dumber just by mindlessly defending the prequels. Try and salvage some evidence if you want but from I see it probably won't be much to cut through.

  • "A Sexual Fantasy Creature For Nerds"

    Ummm, sir, I believe you mean A Sexual Fantasy Creature For "FURRIES", "FURRIES"

  • @tripdefect87 No because Na'vi are also a humanoid being. Furry would be implying that its a type of animal.

  • @SyrJirk They're a race of Mary Sue blue-furred cat people that live in perfect harmony with nature, are "gorgeous", stronger, faster than us, and abhor the "demonic" technology of the greedy, bastard, genocidal invaders. They are furry. And they are Sue. I declare Exterminatus. In nomine Imperator Deus.

  • @TomeOfBattle Alien =/= furry. Because to them we are technically the aliens. They're humanoid and thus a different type of 'human'.

    And they aren't really Mary Sue since as you said they refuse the use of tech, so any advanced race could take them out in a face to face fight. And I have no clue what Exterminatus or Imperator Deus mean.

  • WH40K ftw

  • Even if I may wholly agree with the ideology of the movie doesn't mean that I have to have a positive view of a "movie" that insults my intelligence.

  • the funnist part is wehn you said it is an insult to the military, The U.S military is the most close minded drone rednack army in the world.

  • As a tree-hugger, I appreciate that movies like Avatar are made. As a writer, I love to see them picked apart and their weaknesses displayed.

  • @Trekiefreak777 so are you listening to what he's saying or how.

  • @Elghast I'm listining to wut he is saying, which isn't only this review u know.

  • lol ''i havent rolled my eyes that much since my demonic posetion''

  • man I cant get enough of your preview and your parody of the movie LOL""""""a marine got cripple in his own wheelchair...hahahaha

  • Is there something wrong with me if I wanted the humans to win and all dem blue monkeys to burn? Same reason I bought the fucking game, to roast blue monkeys.

  • @Pocco20 nope I cheered on the humans

  • excellent, in depth and though out review. thumbs up.

  • I like this movie. Most underrated movie of the decade.

  • @TheRenaissanceMann explain how it was underrated

  • what movie was that pale white character from at 8:31 ??

  • @nirvana2465 Gozer from Ghostbusters

  • 6:46 "So that's what you need to make a stagfdhgjnhdkfkdkj."

  • @smallvile1992

    ha, i never even noticed that part til just now

  • తానూ అస్మదీయుడనే అన్న వైఖరితో వీరోచితంగా తానూ ప్రియురాలి వద్ద నేర్చిన విద్యలన్నింటిని ఉపయోగించి, తన ఊరిని తన వారిని రక్షించునకునే యత్నం లో ఆ తెగకు నాయకుడై రణరంగంలో విజయ దుందుభి మ్రోగిస్తాడు. ఇది అంత కేవలం స్థూలమైన కథ అయితే.... అందులోనే అంతర్భాగంగా నవీన మానవులు ఆధునికత పేరుతో ఏమి miss అవుతున్నారో, అనాగారికులుగా పిలువబడుతున్నప్పటికి వారు ప్రకృతి తో సహజీవనం సాగిస్తున్న తీరు

  • తానెన్నడూ చవిచూడని ఆనంద ఆశ్చర్య అనుభూతులను అందించిన ఈ అద్భుతలోకం నా కళ్ళముందే నాశనం ఔతుంటే నేను ఎలా ఉండగలను ??? నాప్రాణం నా సర్వం ఏమి పోయిన దేన్నీ లెక్క చేయక నేను దీన్ని కాపాడాలి, "ఒకడు దేనికోసమైన తెగిస్తే అది తప్పకుండ అతడికి లభిస్తుంది" అన్న చందాన

    నా జీవితం ఇందుకే అనుకుంట! ప్రతి వ్యక్తి జీవితం లో ఒక రోజు వస్తుంది నాకు ఇప్పుడు వచ్చింది, బహుశ! నా జన్మకు కారణం ఇదే నేమో? ఈ విపత్తు నుండి ఈ సమస్తాన్ని కాపాడి, నా జన్మను చరితార్థం చేసుకుంటాను

  • ఇమిడిపోతాడు, అక్కడ అతనికి ఒక ప్రేయసి, ఆమెయే ఆతడికి గురువు ఇంకా అన్నీను, ఆమెపై ప్రేమయే ఆమె చెప్పే ప్రతీది త్వరగా నేర్వగలిగే నైపుణ్యం ఇచ్చింది, సహజ సుందర రమణీయ కమనీయ ప్రకృతిలో, ఆహా !ఇది కదా జీవితం అనిపించే .. అద్భుత ఆశ్చర్య లోకం లో మేను మరచి తన్మయం చెందే తరుణం లో సంభవిస్తుంది ఒక విపత్తు, .....?!?

  • తానెన్నడూ చవిచూడని ఆనంద ఆశ్చర్య అనుభూతులను అందించిన ఈ అద్భుతలోకం నా కళ్ళముందే నాశనం ఔతుంటే నేను ఎలా ఉండగలను ??? నాప్రాణం నా సర్వం ఏమి పోయిన దేన్నీ లెక్క చేయక నేను దీన్ని కాపాడాలి, "ఒకడు దేనికోసమైన తెగిస్తే అది తప్పకుండ అతడికి లభిస్తుంది" అన్న చందాన నా జీవితం ఇందుకే అనుకుంట! ప్రతి వ్యక్తి జీవితం లో ఒక రోజు వస్తుంది నాకు ఇప్పుడు వచ్చింది,

  • బహుశ! నా జన్మకు కారణం ఇదే నేమో? ఈ విపత్తు నుండి ఈ సమస్తాన్ని కాపాడి, నా జన్మను చరితార్థం చేసుకుంటాను అనెడి ఆంతరంగిక ప్రేరణతో త్రికరణ శుద్ధిగా నా తుది శ్వాస వరకు నా ప్రయత్నం నేను చెయ్యాలి అనే దృఢ సంకల్పం తో ఆధునీకులు తమ తమ స్వార్థ ప్రయోజనాల కోసం సాగిస్తున్న యుద్ధం లో, ఆధునీకత అనేది ఆదర్శం లో ఉండాలి కానీ, ఆర్భాటలలో కాదని, అతి సుందర ఆ ప్రకృతిని తన కళ్ళ ముందే కబలిస్తూఉంటె, భావితరాలకు ఏమి మిగల్చక సమస్తాన్ని భస్మీపటలం చేస్తుంటే, ఒక ప్రక్క ప్రియురాలు సైతం సంగ్దిగ్ధవస్తలో పొరబాటున తిరస్కరించిన

  • "అవతార్" : వాస్తవ జీవితంలో పొందలేని ఆనందాన్ని ఉహలో ఆస్వాదన చేసేందుకు వెళ్ళే ప్రేక్షకుడు,

    అదేంటో చిత్రం, సినిమాలో కూడా... ఒక కాళ్ళు లేని వ్యక్తి తన స్వప్నలోకం నందు కాళ్ళను పొంది తాను మునుపెన్నడూ చేయలేని, హ్రుదయాన్తరాలల్లో దాగిన చిన్ని చిన్ని ఆశలను తన ఉద్యోగంలో భాగంగా ఎగురుతూ, గంతుతూ, ఉరుకుతూ వాస్తవ (జాగ్రత్ అవస్థను) మరిచేటంతగా, ఆ స్వప్న లోకంలో

  • Great man. Thanks for including District 9 in there -- one of the best movies imo.

    You're a well thought out person.

  • this is the only credible review that actually tells it like it is for this load of shit movie this abomination of film

  • people saying it is like pocohontas is false

    in pocohontas it was their love that was good and both sides were bad for thinking their race superior comparing this movie to pocohontas is an insult to the people who worked hard to make pocohontas

  • Holy shit I forgot about Taxi.

  • Who wants to see the sequel, where humanity goes back with our super-advanced mechs, tanks, and orbital cannons to get revenge on the murderous alien savages?

  • this is so funney

  • Avatar is like the Last Samurai meets smurfs, meets War Hammer/Starcraft.

    Such bullshit.

  • "Daddy why aren't you getting in the boa..."

    Hilarious.

  • The best part of waking up is acid in your cup!

  • Thank you plinkett.. Jim cameron needs a slap upside the head to knock him back to the ground.. Bastard has himself a place to go next year don't ya..

  • @DrmrGuy1979 H̶e̶h̶e̶h̶e̶!̶

  • @DrmrGuy1979 I'm trollin you.

  • @DrmrGuy1979 Why do you think the Japs bombed Pearl Harbour? Do you think they hated your pretzels and hamburgers? The US was working on the atom bomb long before WW2 started and the Japs weren't going to wait around with your naval blockades of fuel and a giantic fleet of destroyers on the wrong side of the Pacific. The war against the Philipines? Vietnam and the 'Gulf of Tonkin' incident? The massacres of Wounded Knee? The WMD bull was just the tip of the industrial-military iceberg.

  • @DrmrGuy1979 If I told you to put your hand in the fire would you do it? The military have the right to disobey orders if they are unjust orders... but no... Guantanamo Bay, Falujah, Abu Ghraib... they just keep 'a comin'!

  • HEY! I GOT A DEGREE IN EATING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PUSSY, PLINKETT!!!

    Trolololol

  • 2:10

  • The trouble is... the US military HAS been war mongering for the last 200 years...

  • Road Warrior at 9:08 - Hell yeah!

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  • Love the crushed Miller High Life at 1:28 with personals in the paper! Awesome scenery for the narrator.

  • lol i never noticed the rednecks before XD