All other religions are simliar in there doctrine, There impersonal relationship with our creator, and there illogical forms dealing. Where is the sense? Where is the understanding? One religion wont use gods name because of translational issues so theyd rather use Lord, (Excuse). Others believe there is a place of torment. The world lacks true understanding. Better of doing hard drugs to figure out spiritual things lol Tell me newagegamer... what do you want?
I know that Religion originates from Babylon because I grew up catholic, Dealing with heavy opposition from m parents for studying with JW's. logic and reason prove what is true. They are the only ones using god's name and making it known. The only ones preaching about the coming kingdom and not supporting this system dominated by very wealthy people serving there god satan. Who else does these things?
people are selfish and dont see potential in anything. They say to themselves I belong in heaven. Heaven is for Jehovah's new born sons. When they read scripture it is as if he is talking to them. He gives them conviction of his spirit that they have a heavenly calling. They would do anything to be with him. Even giving up all earthly connections.
Also The reason there wil be the thousand years is for ressurectees and all of humankind to be completely united in spirit, mind. As of right now we hardly use our brains because of distractions, pain and sin. There will be no distrations, if someone chooses to rebel then they will choose to die the second death, which is no return. At the end of the thousand years all of humankind will be Perfect like the Christ. I find it hard to believe you might have learned these things but you turned away
Actually Christ Will rule with the 144,000 for a thousand years, But if you say there is one hope.... Then who will be on the earth?
If you bake a cake... it says put 1 1/2 cups of water in, will you say to yourself I will put 9?
Of course not because it would over flood. God has a purpose according to his will and the individual. "Blessed Are the Meek, For They Will inherit the Earth."
How are things going? It seems we still ended up on opposite ends of the spectrum. Leaving what I had known most my life was rough. I respect you, because you're one of the few people who understands what thats like
I had to start over from nothing. Talk about a difficult time. I'm just now starting to recover emotionally. That's part of the dangers of cults, though. We become so sure of ourselves. Oh, um.. you might not want to watch my videos if profanity bothers you. I swear a lot now. Pace
Obviously Jake, however you miss the whole point of the video. The point is simply this; for believers, there is only ONE HOPE. Not two, not three, for those in Christ their is only one class, and they are called Christians.
Just saying NAG....BAC believe they are going to heaven and that some will be here on Earth...sounds like two classes to me.....when you and your buddies are raptured to heaven people remain on the Earth...At least that's what I get from Tim Lahaye.
Amen! no confusion about that. people are blinded by religious doctrine and theology. but dont see this hope and the relationship that God want wit em'
By that logic, you might as well say Christianity as a whole is a "two class system" because some go to Heaven while others go to Hell... But, see, that's not the point Newagegamer was making.
Also, you're arguing with a single church's particular views on eschatology (and misunderstanding it in the process--Calvary Chapel does not teach that "some will be rulers" during the "tribulation period") as opposed to general Orthodox Christian soteriology.
For instance after the rapture you believe that the Jews whill have a chance to accept Jesus...correct?.....what?...is there another rapture for the Jews when Christ returns the third time?
NAG.....Many BA beleive the Jews will inherit the Earth while the BA are in heaven with Jesus....That is why no Jews are included in the rapture...correct?...Sounds like a two class system to me.
Its not a teaching I subscribe to, neither does the majority of the Evangelical Church. I believe as Scripture teaches that when Christ returns and raptures the believing and sets his Kingdom on earth, both Jews and Gentile will rule over the earth. I believe at the Second coming, or prior to it, all Israel will accept Jesus as their Messiah and be saved.
According to the Calvery Chappel people the tribulation period is a time for the Jews to accept Jesus...Sounds like two classes to me...one ruling with Christ...the other not ruling.
Then maybe you should cease to smuggle in your assumptions. The Great Tribulation period may be the time in which God grants faith and repetance to the Jews, that in no way makes their destiny any diffrent then mine in terms of where were going.
1 Thess 4:16-19 says that believers will be snatched up to be with the Lord at his Glorious return, this is when we will be changed as Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. Now during his Thousand Year Reign as Christ creates the New Heavens and the New Earth, the saints will rule over the creation alongside our Lord Jesus. Both Heaven and Earth, actually the entire universe is our inheritance in Christ Jesus.
Revelation 20:7-10 says that there will be "nations" that will still exist on earth during Christ Thousand Year rule with the saints. Verses 4-6 in that same chapter talks about how believers will be raised to life to reign with our Lord Jesus. No mention of their being a Heavenly and Earthly class of believers who are being raised to reign, like the Watchtower so falsely teaches.
But this was written to the first Christians and all of them were going to heaven.And the hope is of Gods kingdom not about were we will live. And i wonder now you belive in the Trinety and Belive Jesus is God Jehovah? Hvilket kristen group do you support now? Who can teach or explain the book of revealtion to you better then Jehovah witnesses?
This will happen "after" the 1000 years, where God will bring down the new Jerusalem. First comes the tribulation and the warning against false worship Revelation 14:6-9. Jesus returns after the seven las plagues. The elect are gathered Matthew 24:31 the wicked will "see" him. "Every eye will see him" Revelation 1:7.... carefull with the rapture doctrine that the elect will dissapear. The doctrine that Jesus is already here since 1874 or 1914, are also false!!
You still have not said where the flesh that survives the Great tribulation is. It appears to be the earth. "no flesh would survive if it wasn't cut short" but it is cut short,therefore flesh survives.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Matthew22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
2Thessalonians2 satan comes first do not worship the beast. 1Corinthians15:52 Jesus Christ returns in an instant we will be changed into our Spiritual Bodies.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 We all go to Heaven Who Love and Follow God
Not exacly, in this age in which we live in, there is ONE Hope, that hope is to be a co-heir with Jesus Christ, and reign in the Heavenly Kingdom, as we await his Glorious manifestation and return in which that Heavenly Kingdom, New Jerusalem is established and expressed on the earth.
Heavenly and earthly hope is a fiction. You either have God's Spirit dwelling in your heart, which means you can say "Dad" to God, or you are still in the flesh and cannot please him at all. You may be pleasing your elders and the Watchtower Society, but you certainly won't be pleasing Jehovah.
Jehovah's people have never been part of any cult.
christendom, however is a MAJOR cult broken up into many thousands of mini-cults!!
catholicism started out (and still is) a major cult with all its ritual....and then the protestants came along to try to leave behind papish religion----only to take back a lot of the garbage they initially had in catholicism!! (trinity, eternal soul, hellfire, etc.) So nominal "christianity": no better
Russel broke away from the Adventist movement, combined with Russels heresies and what the WTS teaches today, not only is the Watchtower a cult, but a Adventist sect. So much for not being an "offshoot of some church".
The bottom line is that anyone who does not have God's Spirit dwelling in him is still (as Romans 8 puts it) "In the flesh" and unable to please God. If you look up the word "anyone" in the Greek, I think you'll find it means "anyone" You can accuse and rail against other Christian groups, but unless you have the Spirit of God dwelling in you, you can forget the whole thing.
I have to say, the JWs who visit me do not speak like you, they are always very friendly and polite. If you think you are witnessing to Jehovah through this manner of talking to people, you are not doing it very well.
God is the Judge all he is doing is letting you know that JW's have another Jesus 2 Corinthians 11. They claim Jesus is a lesser god and is Michael the Archangel. They have altered scripture John 1:1. Do they know this no because they trust the organization. True Happiness comes when you come to Jesus Christ because you have Peace of Mind Matthew 11:28 Jesus Christ is God there is only One True God = Father YHVH the Son YAHSHUA and HOLY SPIRIT. God Bless You and Your Families in Jesus Name Amen.
More interestingly MSM is that Newagegamer seems to have left this post for you to defend it after I have exposed his faulty logic yet he still signs in to his network regularly and you have an all but blank profile with what I call Cointelpro information. You are the same poster...i wonder is there a third, to complete your trinity?
Excuse me, sir? I am NOT Newagegamer...I do not appreciate you insinuating that I'm somehow being deceptive by not decorating my profile; I just don't feel like decorating it. My name is Mike, I'm a 33 year old Christian from Pittsburgh...so please apologise NOW for accusing me of deception.
Apparently I must log into Youtube everyday to answer coolwitness every dogmatic question and assumption... Well I work two jobs, and go to school, when I come home Its not always debate and apologetics. However, Mike my brother in the Lord has more than answered your silly objections to the real truth, our Lord Jesus Christ.
Happy to take up the torch, buddy! And it's funny that no one who believes Jesus was not conscious when his body was in the grave can come up with an answer EXEGETICALLY as to why this was the one time out of sixty six that he said, "Amen, I say to you today," when 65 other times it was "Amen, I say to you."
I guess Jesus taught the "Satanic doctrine" of the immortality of the soul!
There are 2 different heveanly people being talked about at Zech 12 THE LORD ALMIGHTY GOD and the Lord That saves their dwelling places just like at Revelation when Jesus as king returns on a horse wearing king of kings and lord of lords on his thigh.
That made little sense...there's only one person talking in Zech 12-and it's YHWH. Talking about the day people will look upon ME PIERCED. And Jesus was pierced, and looked upon. Jesus is YHWH-you can try to rationalize this away, eisegete the passage, and try to make it mean something other than what it says...but it doesn't change the truth. I urge you to leave this cult that teaches this theological POISON.
a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth. In simpler terms, a cult is a group that teaches something that will cause a person to remain unsaved if he/she believes it. As distinct from a religion, a cult is a group that claims to be part of the religion, yet denies essential truth(s) of that religion.
Cont~ A Christian cult is a group that denies one or more of the fundamental truths of Christianity, while still claiming to be Christian
The two most common teachings of cults are that Jesus was not God and that salvation is not by faith alone. A denial of the deity of Christ results in Jesus death not being a sufficient payment for our sins. A denial of salvation by faith alone results in salvation being achieved by our own works, something the Bible vehemently and consistently denies.
I alone am Jehovah and lets not forget when Moses asks WHO God is at the burning bush. Moses was scared and alone and admitted to being unworthy and uncircumcised of lips (shy) so he needed to be sure to whom he was speaking, did God say US then?...NO...he gave his name...YHWH..I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be...Yes that was I...not we...what a great opportunity to state his pluralistic nature....oops missed it!!! NO.
Well, that was one member of the Godhead speaking to Moses as a representative for all three. Demons do that too-see Mark 5, where the one demon speaks for the rest-I am Legion, for we are many. Look, at the end of the day, if I can prove Jesus to be YHWH all these point are moot, right? So I'd like to do just that. I've yet to see this refuted by ANY unitarian...the evidence is too airtight. Here goes:
Zech 12:10, YHWH is speaking of a day he'd be LOOKED UPON having been pierced. cont
The Hebrew specifically says ME, unlike the NWT and a few other translations, where it's translated "him" or "the one." No, the Hebrew of the Masoretic text says "ME." Same with the greek of the LXX-it says ME. This is fulfilled in John 19:37 when Jesus dies and is pierced, then looked upon.
This NEVER happened to the father, yet YHWH said it would happen to him. Yet it happened to Jesus! Jesus is YHWH!
You have favored the writers for a Trinity and you must know I can do the same against using anti trinity writers but lets use only bible logic. Did the Isrealites believe it? Do today's Jews believe it? I don't mean do they believe in Jesus. Do they believe The Messiah (still due according to them) is Gods equal and do they believe The Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity of God?
I say this not to be rude, but to simply state a fact: You can not produce a quote from before the 4th century from a Christian who CONSISTENTLY held Jesus was a creature, or that stated the HS was a force. At best, you can take a Church Father's quote about Jesus out of context that appears to support your theology, and then I could show you where that same Father called Jesus "Our God," or worshipped him, or eternally existed. But about the OT question: Cont
No, the Israelites believed in a unipersonal God, because God didn't fully give the fuller revelation about himself thru Jesus and the writings of the Apostles in the NT. Jews didn't believe the Messiah would be Michael the Archangel, either.
But is the concept of a multi-personal God in the OT? Yep. Who was God talking to when he said this:
Before you quickly say, "Him and his Son, Michael the Archangel!" Please consider this:
God NEVER uses "US" when He is in the company of Angels. Read Genesis 18 when YHWH and 2 angels appear as men to Abraham. He never uses "us' or "we." There's simply no scriptural precedence for that, that I'm aware of.
And if you want to use the "plural majesty" argument, that device hadn't yet been invented when Moses wrote Genesis.
Well, ruach in Hebrew can mean spirit or breath, but not force. That word is koach, and it can mean strength, power, force, or might. So while the NWT renders it "active force," the Hebrew of Genesis 1:2 does not.
3) Nehemiah 9:20 indicates YHWH gave his "good ruach" to instruct.
4) Isaiah 61:10 said the Israelites rebelled and grieved YHWH's qodesh ruach (holy spirit)
So what I'm saying is that while the Spirit of YHWH is often portayed as divine energy in the OT, he's not exclusively portrayed that way. There's enough in the OT not to rule out the Ruach of YHWH being a person...and the NT more than confirms this.
The Trinity,hell,all go to heaven,christmas and so many more are the "Sower and the Seed" fulfilled. The field was over sown by the enemy (satan) after Jesus had sown it first. Let the weeds grow withe the wheat until harvest....which is almost here.
msm1876 your argument about Constantine is valid but the council of Nicea DID only establish Jesus and God the Father as God, they waited for half a century before allowing the Holy Spirit into the Godhead, thereby completing the Trinity so please don't try to convince people it was an accepted Doctrine of Jesus' day or soon thereafter. LOOK IT UP
Well...here's the deal acoolwitness. Nicea was about the controversy Arius stirred up about Jesus Christ. It wasn't so much about the Holy Spirit. Here's something I doubt you knew...Arias believed the HS to be a PERSON, just not of the same substance of the Father. It was the Macedonians who later denied his personality. That's why the creed was updated in 381 to make it crystal clear who the HS was. So let's look at the accusation that the idea of the Father, Son, and HS weren't...cont
cont. seen as being God in Jesus day or soon after that. Let's first look at the 100s:
150 AD Justin Martyr "But both Him, and the Son (who came forth from Him and taught us these things, and the host of the other good angels who follow and are made like to Him), and the prophetic Spirit, we worship and adore." (Justin Martyr, First Apology, ch 6) Notice what else Justin say: "Worship God alone." (1st Apology, ch 16) "Whence to God alone we render worship." (1st Apology, ch 17) cont...
150 AD Polycarp of Smyrna "I praise you... along with the everlasting and heavenly Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, with whom, to you and the Holy Spirit, be glory both now and to all coming ages. Amen" (Martyrdom of Polycarp 14).
190 AD Clement Of Alexandria "I understand nothing else than the Holy Trinity to be meant; for the third is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the second, by whom all things were made according to the will of the Father." (Stromata, Book V, ch. 14)
207 Tertullian "Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent Persons, who are yet distinct One from Another. These Three are, one essence, not one Person, as it is said, 'I and my Father are One' [John 10:30], in respect of unity of Being not singularity of number" (Against Praxeas, 25)
200 AD Hippolytus "A man, therefore, even though he will it not, is compelled to acknowledge God the Father Almighty, and Christ Jesus the Son of God, who, being God, became man, to whom also the Father made all things subject, Himself excepted, and the Holy Spirit; and that these, therefore, are three. (Against The Heresy Of One Noetus) cont
262 AD Gregory the Wonder-worker "But if they say, 'How can there be three Persons, and how but one Divinity?' we shall make this reply: That there are indeed three persons, inasmuch as there is one person of God the Father, and one of the Lord the Son, and one of the Holy Spirit; and yet that there is but one divinity, inasmuch as . . . there is one substance in the Trinity" (A Sectional Confession of Faith, 14). cont
To close, acoolwitness, the doctrine of a threefold manifestation of one God was believed AT LEAST the 2nd century on. And I'd gladly make the case that it can easily be found within the apostolic writings as well.
Bottom line: NO ONE before Arius and Lucian believed Jesus to be a creature who was otherwise orthodox. NO ONE. And that badly, badly, badly damages the notions that the apostles preached it.
The Coordinator at Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh says "Some have misunderstood 'minor blood fraction' to mean a small quantity of whole blood. As such they have refused to consider minor blood fractions reasoning that they will not accept a blood transfusion whether it is large or small in volume.
Further, they cannot understand how it is that any person who will not accept a blood transfusion could even consider accepting a minor blood fraction. In this they MAY NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE INTENT OF THE TERM, 'MINOR BLOOD FRACTION.'To clarify this, some have used the analogy of a pie to try to express what a minor blood fraction is.
In this analogy, a minor blood fraction would not be akin to a small piece of the pie. Rather a minor blood fraction is like a small ingredient that went into the making of the pie.
So, A MINOR BLOOD FRACTIONS IS NOT A SMALL AMOUT OF WHOLE BLOOD. A minor blood fraction is a product derived from one of bloods primary components. Whatever your individual decision, it is helpful to understand the intent of the term, 'minor blood fraction.'"
Fabman94 Considering H20 and Blood are both fluids and need other components to make their fluids I think it was a fine example. If you didnt like that example I gave fine, then Ill give you a Medical Drs analogy. But first here are a few list of medications that contain blood fractions but most Drs (may be none) DONT consider these medications having the components of WHOLE BLOOD:
Botox contains human albumin, a protein derived by fractionation; vaccinations, such as immune globulin (IG) preparations, varicella zoster immune globulin (VZIG) erythropoeitin utilized in the U.S. (Epogen, Procrit). Although these medications have blood fractions, they're not considered WHOLE BLOOD as Drs indicate.
The JW view on Blood fractions (as they are called) allows for THE INDIVIDUAL to choose based on their own conscience as for whole blood the vote is unanimously against the use and its noteworthy that more harm is done from use of blood in medicine than good is done, that's a fact . Also do you think you could ratchet your colorful vocabulary down a notch for the kiddies.
Spirit creatures neither eat nor do they drink so why would the scriptures speak of a time we will plant vineyards and drink, grow food and eat and nobody will take these away from us, we will own them. So if we all become spirit creatures like Jesus then Whom is the Bible referring to as owning (Possessing) these properties on earth. I'm still waiting for your first answer....your falling behind.
NewageGamer are you there? I was hoping you might answer before November but here we are and still you remain silent. I will take your silence to mean that you haven't really thought it all through. You had truthful, simple answers as a JW but its harder when you try to cover for The Emperor Constantine and almost 1650 years of false doctrine.
Did you know that during the last few years of Constantine's life, he began believing what you did, that Jesus was a creature? He died not long after being baptized by an Arian bishop. Did you know that there were no Christians who were otherwise orthodox before Arius and his teacher Lucian, just unnamed fringe heretics, that believed Jesus was a creature? Disbelieve Jesus' deity if you wish, but don't make it look like it took a "pagan" emperor to make "Christendom" believe it.
Even tho I don't cling to Arianism in any way, do you know that Arian was MUCH MORE WELL researched before he went into the council of Nicaea than any other other so-called "christians" were at the time? It's true.
The decision at Nicea was all politics. A lot of the different factions didn't even show up. So whoever had the biggest mouth that day won their "case". It had nothing to do with truth, scripture, Jesus, or with 1st century Christianity!!!
A) Arius was a bright guy, no two ways about it! Great theologian, but his Christology was thoroughly un-apostolic.
B) Nicea did little to really hurt Arianism...from 330-380, Arianism was the THE Christology of Christendom. Again, Constantine, who you all love to scapegoat as the guy who sent true Christianity down the tubes, died believing Arianism!
C)Except for Arius and Lucian, NO ONE before 250 believed Jesus to be a creature. Kinda hurts the claim that the apostles taught it, no?
Fabman94 I see that your offended by me asking questions. Now if you take 1 of those components is that still considered blood? In biblical times they didnt have advance technology like they have it no. Water is composed of Hydrogen and Oxygen, would you still consider Hydrogen with out Oxygen = to water? Or what about Oxygen with out Hydrogen is that still = to water? Ill be waiting for your answer. Lets see if you do know what you are talking about.
Fabman94 With your insults and cursing you are making Trinitarians look bad "keep up the good work loser,". Try to keep your insults to yourself and have a conversation with substance.
TRTruth 1914 is blurting. Meanwhile I have a legitimate query with this poster. Right now as it stands Newgamer has openly admitted that Jesus was conscious, alive and in direct communication with heaven during his 3 days that the bible says he was dead.
You guys are trying to hard to defend the WTS. House to house activity is not denied. It is the emphasis employed that identifies the real Christians that the WTS uses that is in question.
This method of door to door is not a sign or absolute requirement for Christians to gain God's approval. The WTS uses this to control their followers to do their work, they are a PRINTING COMPANY and you guys are called PUBLISHERS.
Look Ngamer not only scritural support but ACCORDING to Scriptural Prophesy.
1 Cor 15:3-4 that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,.....where is the reference to being alive?
You over look the fact that they entered these homes for lodging. If peace was there, they would remain. If not, they would move on. They were instructed on how to to lodge at the locations where they would do their preaching. Read the accounts very carefully, you will notice that Jesus and the disciples success was preaching in the open not in the homes.
"Wherever you enter into a house..."(a house they were invited) "stay in that house, eating and drinking the things they provide" (lodging),..."Do not be transferring house to house." Luke 10:1-7
TheRealTruth1914 You totally misinterpreted Luke 10:1-7. What was the point of Jesus commissioning his disciples to "enter into a house"? Answer: vs 9 "..and go on telling them, The kingdom of God has come near to YOU." And yes they did go to "a house they were invited" to but others they werent vs 10 "But wherever YOU enter into a city and THEY DO NOT receive YOU."
And the disciples were told not to "transferring house to house" to ____? Answer is in the previous vs eating and drinking. This has nothing to do not going house to house and preach
Yeah it is funny! But according to the WTS, one must go door to door in a consecutive order, (for the purpose of placing literature). Jesus went to homes that merited his visit and where he was invited to teach. Yes one must preach, but the door to door method is not the only method or the most effective. But the WTS emphasizes this method as an obligation to gain God's approval. You gain eternal life, they gain donations, caching!
acool, What is your point with the criminal? No one brought that up for debate. You can quote all the Scriptures you want, but it is the WTS that most of us are attacking, not sincere individuals. You are avoiding my seven facts. How about addressing them?
How about reading rather than assuming. Where does it say 'DOOR TO DOOR"? House to house is different than door to door. If I need to explain it, then you are not capable to understand.
Coolwitness, you are assuming that while Jesus was dead he was literally unconcious for those three days. Jesus cleary was quite busy, going before the Father to offer up his living sacrifice, taking the wrath of God, preaching to the spirits in prison, and being with the repented evildoer in Paradise.
The WTS smuggles up their assumptions and doctrines so they HAVE to mistranslate Luke 23:43. Show me one time where Jesus is quoted saying "Most truly I tell you Today". Its not there.
NGamer...........Are you able to back up the statement you just made? Where does scripture indicate Jesus was conscious during those 3 days he was dead?
I'll back up Brian's statement with scripture. Without any punctuation, here is Jesus' statement in luke 23:43:
Amen I say to you today you will be with me in paradise.
Sixty five other times, Jesus said, "Amen, I say to you..." and spoke his truth. He didn't follow it with "today." Based on that pattern, the entirely sound way to exegete that passage is to understand Jesus was promising the thief he'd be with him, later that day, in paradise.
See, what you're saying is, "Because my theology understands death as non-existence, Jesus COULDN'T have been assuring the thief he'd be in paradise with him later that day." Whereas I'm exegeting the passage, looking at the way Jesus says things, and concluding, "Well, looks like he was assuring the thief he'd be in Paradise later that day!" And if you want to bring in Ecc 9:5 to this, feel free! I've dealt with that in the past!
NOT Truthful comments: 1) You said: The WTS has made many FALSE predictions. My Answer: There is a difference between making a prediction and misinterpreting scriptures. To correct you The WT misinterpreted the scriptures. The source of this so called "prediction" was base on the scripture not on their own initiative. So your statement is FALSE.
TheRealTruth1914 The Great Pyramid of Giza was a SECONDARY reference to what Russell believed that the presence of Christ came in 1874 (a calculation he got FIRST from the bible NOT 1914 you got the date wrong), and since the measurement of the grand gallery of the Pyramid as being 1,874 inches along the top, he though the Pyramid was thought to be the altar of Jehovah in the midst of the land of Egypt mentioned in Isa 19:19.
Defend, If you go further in history, John Aquila Brown was the first who arrived at a prophetic time period of 2,520 years. The 1914 date also originated with Nelson H. Barbour, not Russell.
2) You said JW's allow their children to die for their unfounded blood doctrine. My answer: You might not agree with our interpretation of scripture but the bible clearly says in "abstain from blood" Acts 15:28, 29.But what about those who end up getting contaminated blood and end up with hepatitis,HIV,or other deadly diseases?And those patients who receive donated blood run a much higher risk of dying from heart attacks and other cardiac problems in the weeks following their blood transfusion.
Defend, I am not defending all blood transfusions, but if my child needed blood from me or if I needed to store my own blood for emergencies, this is the restriction that the WTS enforces that is non Scriptual. Try not to take scriptures out of context, the account of Acts is about the errounious use of blood regarding false worship that the gentiles were still doing. This point was brought out to them if they were to become Christians.
TheRealTruth1914 Again, its base on interpretation of scripture. Whether its eating/drinking, touching, or transfusion the council is "abstain from blood" If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU! Acts 15:29
3) You said: No where in the Bible is mentioned to preach DOOR to DOOR. My Answer: Not only did he tell us to go door to door but he demonstrated it "the Lord designated seventy others and sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come" Luke 10.
There are many examples where the Disciples went to peoples homes. Jesus said "The good news will be preached before the end comes (Matthew 24:14) what makes you think he excluded preaching at peoples homes?
4)You said Jesus did not establish a religion or an organization. My answer: And yet the bible says regarding the followers of Christ "the disciples were by divine providence called Christians" Acts 11:26
5) You said The WTS says Jehovah is the editor of the WT, but claim that they are not inspired. My Answer: You must be referring to the case of Olin Moyle v. WTB&TS, 1943. When you read the court case in its full context they explain what they mean for example in a question and answer format this is what took place:
A. The magazine is not dogmatic. Dogma literally means opinion and the "Watch Tower" does not set for the opinion of man. The "Watch Tower" instead of being dogmatic is confident because it bases its conclusions upon the word of God and therefore it is sure of the ground upon which it is walking. It does not arrogantly assert any opinion with unwarranted positiveness.
Q. I understand that you say that in 1931, the Watch Tower discontinued naming the editorial committee, and then Jehovah God became the editor, is that correct?
A. Jehovah's editorship was indicated thereby citing Isaiah 54:13.
The Court: He asked you if in 1931 Jehovah God became editor, according to your theory.
The Witness: No, I wouldn't say so.
Q. Didn't you say the Jehovah God became the editor of this paper at some time.
A. He was always the one guiding the course of the paper.
Q. Didn't you state that on October 15, 1931, the Watch Tower discontinued the naming of an editorial committee and then Jehovah God became the editor?
A. I didn't say Jehovah God became the editor. It was appreciated that Jehovah God really is the One who is editing the paper, and therefore the naming of an editorial committee was out of place.
Q. So that these leaders of agents of God are not infallible, are they?
A. That is right.
The FULL CONTEXT is suggesting that Jehovah is the editor in the sense that the WT takes the biblical perspective in their writings and not of their own. Your not reading it in its full context
6) You said They erroneously add God's name in the NT even though no ancient Greek manuscripts have it. My answer: With good reasons we did add Jehovahs name in the NT but YOU nor I can really CANT prove that Jehovahs name wasnt there in the first place. Considering John in the book of Revelation Ch 19 said "Praise Jah" why all of the sudden they would just stop praising Jah?
7) You said Your founder was a mason. My answer: This is what Russell himself said "I have NEVER been a Mason" June, 1913; Convention discourse "The Temple of God"("Convention Report Sermons" pg. 362) And many other articles that he wrote denying he was a Mason 1908; Convention Question Meeting ("The Question Book" pg. 318), 1904 "The New Creation", pp. 580-581, Zion's Watch Tower, June, 1895, pg. 143, etc.
Defend, If there was a removal of God's name, why would they miss Revelation? The NT is focusing on Jesus, this was God's plan. God's purposes are all coming to fulfillment through his son. Either way, no one should alter the Bible, adding or removing.
TheRealTruth1914 Good question. If Jehovahs name is in the scriptures THOUSANDS OF TIMES in the Hebrew text why is it only written in the KJV 6 times, and in other bibles NONE ZERO. Why did they remove Jehovah from the Greek Septuagint? And the evidence points out that the Disciples used the LXX. Jesus surly is emphasize but there is not dispute that John showed we should still Praise Jah
Defend, it was Olin R Moyle v. F.W. Franz at the Supreme Court, section 2596-7, 4420-1. Lawyer: "At any rate, Jehovah God is now the editor of the paper, is that right?"
F. Franz: "He is today the editor of the paper."
Lawyer: "How long has he been the editor of the paper?"
F. Franz: "Since its inception he has been guiding it."
The full context is suggesting that Jehovah is the editor in the sense that the WT takes the biblical perspective in their writings and not of their own. Your not reading it in its full context
Q. I understand that you say that in 1931, the Watch Tower discontinued naming the editorial committee, and then Jehovah God became the editor, is that correct?
A. Jehovah's editorship was indicated thereby citing Isaiah 54:13.
The Court: He asked you if in 1931 Jehovah God became editor, according to your theory.
The Witness: No, I wouldn't say so.
Q. Didn't you say the Jehovah God became the editor of this paper at some time.
2 questions
What are you going to do when you get to heaven ?
Who is it that inherits the earth?
steveparadise1 2 months ago
Amen
Bellar789 4 months ago in playlist More videos from Newagegamer3018
Amen brother Amen may God himself bless you
AhayahisGod 1 year ago
And who are the subjects of those who inherit salvation in heaven?
Hebrews 1:14 - "Are not all ANGELS ministering spirits sent TO SERVE those who will inherit salvation?"
One Hope, One salvation,
Gusdaberean 1 year ago
Amen.
shalimarsgirl 1 year ago
Perfect. A two class system is utter rubbish.
It's a Three class system as any good Englishman knows
Upper Class, Middle Class and Working Class.
Upper class looks down on middle and working class
Middle class looks up to upper class and down on working class
Working class know their place.
Alas, this does not include Americans, so I suspect that is what Hell is for,
kpuc1973 1 year ago
All other religions are simliar in there doctrine, There impersonal relationship with our creator, and there illogical forms dealing. Where is the sense? Where is the understanding? One religion wont use gods name because of translational issues so theyd rather use Lord, (Excuse). Others believe there is a place of torment. The world lacks true understanding. Better of doing hard drugs to figure out spiritual things lol Tell me newagegamer... what do you want?
KenDoeFresh 2 years ago
I know that Religion originates from Babylon because I grew up catholic, Dealing with heavy opposition from m parents for studying with JW's. logic and reason prove what is true. They are the only ones using god's name and making it known. The only ones preaching about the coming kingdom and not supporting this system dominated by very wealthy people serving there god satan. Who else does these things?
KenDoeFresh 2 years ago
This Earth is AMAZING!
This earth so INCREDIBLE
THE ANGELS FROM HEAVEN
CAME DOWN TO THE EARTH
lol
people are selfish and dont see potential in anything. They say to themselves I belong in heaven. Heaven is for Jehovah's new born sons. When they read scripture it is as if he is talking to them. He gives them conviction of his spirit that they have a heavenly calling. They would do anything to be with him. Even giving up all earthly connections.
KenDoeFresh 2 years ago
Also The reason there wil be the thousand years is for ressurectees and all of humankind to be completely united in spirit, mind. As of right now we hardly use our brains because of distractions, pain and sin. There will be no distrations, if someone chooses to rebel then they will choose to die the second death, which is no return. At the end of the thousand years all of humankind will be Perfect like the Christ. I find it hard to believe you might have learned these things but you turned away
KenDoeFresh 2 years ago
Actually Christ Will rule with the 144,000 for a thousand years, But if you say there is one hope.... Then who will be on the earth?
If you bake a cake... it says put 1 1/2 cups of water in, will you say to yourself I will put 9?
Of course not because it would over flood. God has a purpose according to his will and the individual. "Blessed Are the Meek, For They Will inherit the Earth."
Jesus Sermon on the Mount
KenDoeFresh 2 years ago
How are things going? It seems we still ended up on opposite ends of the spectrum. Leaving what I had known most my life was rough. I respect you, because you're one of the few people who understands what thats like
I had to start over from nothing. Talk about a difficult time. I'm just now starting to recover emotionally. That's part of the dangers of cults, though. We become so sure of ourselves. Oh, um.. you might not want to watch my videos if profanity bothers you. I swear a lot now. Pace
anzwertree 2 years ago
All the same...some will be rulers...others subjects.....Still sounds like a two class system.
JAKEV25 2 years ago
Obviously Jake, however you miss the whole point of the video. The point is simply this; for believers, there is only ONE HOPE. Not two, not three, for those in Christ their is only one class, and they are called Christians.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
Just saying NAG....BAC believe they are going to heaven and that some will be here on Earth...sounds like two classes to me.....when you and your buddies are raptured to heaven people remain on the Earth...At least that's what I get from Tim Lahaye.
JAKEV25 2 years ago
Amen! no confusion about that. people are blinded by religious doctrine and theology. but dont see this hope and the relationship that God want wit em'
jamint2 1 year ago
@Newagegamer3018 LOL
littleCUBA1 1 month ago
@Newagegamer3018 christians make me laugh
littleCUBA1 1 month ago
@JAKEV25
By that logic, you might as well say Christianity as a whole is a "two class system" because some go to Heaven while others go to Hell... But, see, that's not the point Newagegamer was making.
Also, you're arguing with a single church's particular views on eschatology (and misunderstanding it in the process--Calvary Chapel does not teach that "some will be rulers" during the "tribulation period") as opposed to general Orthodox Christian soteriology.
IchthysGuy 2 years ago
@IchthysGuy tobe honest it's all the same to me...from bennie Hinn to Calvary chapel to whatever...same doctrines of man.
JAKEV25 2 years ago
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@JAKEV25
And who are the subjects of those who inherit salvation in heaven?
Hebrews 1:14 - "Are not all ANGELS ministering spirits sent TO SERVE those who will inherit salvation?"
One Hope, One salvation, One Lord
Gusdaberean 1 year ago
For instance after the rapture you believe that the Jews whill have a chance to accept Jesus...correct?.....what?...is there another rapture for the Jews when Christ returns the third time?
JAKEV25 2 years ago
NAG.....Many BA beleive the Jews will inherit the Earth while the BA are in heaven with Jesus....That is why no Jews are included in the rapture...correct?...Sounds like a two class system to me.
JAKEV25 2 years ago
Its not a teaching I subscribe to, neither does the majority of the Evangelical Church. I believe as Scripture teaches that when Christ returns and raptures the believing and sets his Kingdom on earth, both Jews and Gentile will rule over the earth. I believe at the Second coming, or prior to it, all Israel will accept Jesus as their Messiah and be saved.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
According to the Calvery Chappel people the tribulation period is a time for the Jews to accept Jesus...Sounds like two classes to me...one ruling with Christ...the other not ruling.
JAKEV25 2 years ago
Then maybe you should cease to smuggle in your assumptions. The Great Tribulation period may be the time in which God grants faith and repetance to the Jews, that in no way makes their destiny any diffrent then mine in terms of where were going.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
But NAg...aren't you being swept away to heaven in the rapture?....Who would want to come back to Earth?
JAKEV25 2 years ago
1 Thess 4:16-19 says that believers will be snatched up to be with the Lord at his Glorious return, this is when we will be changed as Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. Now during his Thousand Year Reign as Christ creates the New Heavens and the New Earth, the saints will rule over the creation alongside our Lord Jesus. Both Heaven and Earth, actually the entire universe is our inheritance in Christ Jesus.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
uuuhhhh and whom will you be ruling over? Plants? Animals? or a second class of humans?
JAKEV25 2 years ago
Revelation 20:7-10 says that there will be "nations" that will still exist on earth during Christ Thousand Year rule with the saints. Verses 4-6 in that same chapter talks about how believers will be raised to life to reign with our Lord Jesus. No mention of their being a Heavenly and Earthly class of believers who are being raised to reign, like the Watchtower so falsely teaches.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
You are so funny Nag...Did you ever stop to think that Born Again Christians think there are also 2 classes...2 hopes?......
Jews and Christians?
What happens to Jews that miss the rapture?....and after the tribulation what happens to them?...Where do they go?
JAKEV25 2 years ago
There is no diffrence between Jew and Gentile anymore, we are united in One Body, under one head, Christ.
My Jewish-Christian brothers dont have any diffrent hope then a Gentile, we are all going to be with our Heavenly Father.
I myself believe the rapture is at the 2nd coming of Christ when the dead is raised and we are united with the Lord and forever be with him.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
But this was written to the first Christians and all of them were going to heaven.And the hope is of Gods kingdom not about were we will live. And i wonder now you belive in the Trinety and Belive Jesus is God Jehovah? Hvilket kristen group do you support now? Who can teach or explain the book of revealtion to you better then Jehovah witnesses?
obelix24 2 years ago
psalms 37:29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.
ba11ard 2 years ago 2
This will happen "after" the 1000 years, where God will bring down the new Jerusalem. First comes the tribulation and the warning against false worship Revelation 14:6-9. Jesus returns after the seven las plagues. The elect are gathered Matthew 24:31 the wicked will "see" him. "Every eye will see him" Revelation 1:7.... carefull with the rapture doctrine that the elect will dissapear. The doctrine that Jesus is already here since 1874 or 1914, are also false!!
Asoilder 2 years ago
...and YOU, "themulder1981" sound like a JW A-hole!
Stick yer heresy up your ass.
JWinCTSucks 2 years ago
You have deep, deep, issues.
Your father molested your sister, likely.
You molested your mother.
Here, lie down on my couch and tell uncle M all about it!!
[you REALLY should seek help!!!]
Punk.
JWinCT 2 years ago
CHECK OUT YOUR NEW CHANNEL JWINCT!
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JWinCTSucks 2 years ago
You sound like a drunken reprobate.
Probably are.
TheMulder1981 2 years ago
Don't SEE much from this ass "JWinCT"....ever.
Moron.
JWinCTSucks 2 years ago
Don't hear much from this clown Gaymer anymore.
That's a GOOD thing!!!
JWinCT 2 years ago
You still have not said where the flesh that survives the Great tribulation is. It appears to be the earth. "no flesh would survive if it wasn't cut short" but it is cut short,therefore flesh survives.
acoolwitness 2 years ago
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Matthew22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
2Thessalonians2 satan comes first do not worship the beast. 1Corinthians15:52 Jesus Christ returns in an instant we will be changed into our Spiritual Bodies.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 We all go to Heaven Who Love and Follow God
renegadodk 2 years ago
newage...Isn't God creating a new heaven and a new Earth?....Didn't Jehovah say that the Earth was created to be inhabited forever?
JAKEV25 2 years ago
When ever did I deny that? When God brings in the new creation, the saints shall rule with Christ Jesus upon the new earth.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
So you do have an earthly hope as well......Hmmmm Who will we be ruling?
JAKEV25 2 years ago
Not exacly, in this age in which we live in, there is ONE Hope, that hope is to be a co-heir with Jesus Christ, and reign in the Heavenly Kingdom, as we await his Glorious manifestation and return in which that Heavenly Kingdom, New Jerusalem is established and expressed on the earth.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
NAG...If you ask me you also have an Earthly hope...now again...Who will you be ruling over?
JAKEV25 2 years ago
Heavenly and earthly hope is a fiction. You either have God's Spirit dwelling in your heart, which means you can say "Dad" to God, or you are still in the flesh and cannot please him at all. You may be pleasing your elders and the Watchtower Society, but you certainly won't be pleasing Jehovah.
ExLuedenscheider 2 years ago 2
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Samc023 2 years ago
So. Does the JW doctrine qualify as a cultist group?
Ding, ding, ding.
"YES"
HoocH65 2 years ago
Ding a ling you.....NO!.
JWinCT 2 years ago
Pffft, what a response:/
HoocH65 2 years ago
Too stupid and full of folly to understand?
Thought so.
Jehovah's people have never been part of any cult.
christendom, however is a MAJOR cult broken up into many thousands of mini-cults!!
catholicism started out (and still is) a major cult with all its ritual....and then the protestants came along to try to leave behind papish religion----only to take back a lot of the garbage they initially had in catholicism!! (trinity, eternal soul, hellfire, etc.) So nominal "christianity": no better
JWinCT 2 years ago
Russel broke away from the Adventist movement, combined with Russels heresies and what the WTS teaches today, not only is the Watchtower a cult, but a Adventist sect. So much for not being an "offshoot of some church".
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
The bottom line is that anyone who does not have God's Spirit dwelling in him is still (as Romans 8 puts it) "In the flesh" and unable to please God. If you look up the word "anyone" in the Greek, I think you'll find it means "anyone" You can accuse and rail against other Christian groups, but unless you have the Spirit of God dwelling in you, you can forget the whole thing.
ExLuedenscheider 2 years ago
I have to say, the JWs who visit me do not speak like you, they are always very friendly and polite. If you think you are witnessing to Jehovah through this manner of talking to people, you are not doing it very well.
ExLuedenscheider 2 years ago
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renegadodk 2 years ago
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God is the Judge all he is doing is letting you know that JW's have another Jesus 2 Corinthians 11. They claim Jesus is a lesser god and is Michael the Archangel. They have altered scripture John 1:1. Do they know this no because they trust the organization. True Happiness comes when you come to Jesus Christ because you have Peace of Mind Matthew 11:28 Jesus Christ is God there is only One True God = Father YHVH the Son YAHSHUA and HOLY SPIRIT. God Bless You and Your Families in Jesus Name Amen.
renegadodk 2 years ago
keep up the good work my brother in Christ.
sldeyo 2 years ago
More interestingly MSM is that Newagegamer seems to have left this post for you to defend it after I have exposed his faulty logic yet he still signs in to his network regularly and you have an all but blank profile with what I call Cointelpro information. You are the same poster...i wonder is there a third, to complete your trinity?
acoolwitness 2 years ago
Excuse me, sir? I am NOT Newagegamer...I do not appreciate you insinuating that I'm somehow being deceptive by not decorating my profile; I just don't feel like decorating it. My name is Mike, I'm a 33 year old Christian from Pittsburgh...so please apologise NOW for accusing me of deception.
msm1876 2 years ago
Apparently I must log into Youtube everyday to answer coolwitness every dogmatic question and assumption... Well I work two jobs, and go to school, when I come home Its not always debate and apologetics. However, Mike my brother in the Lord has more than answered your silly objections to the real truth, our Lord Jesus Christ.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
Happy to take up the torch, buddy! And it's funny that no one who believes Jesus was not conscious when his body was in the grave can come up with an answer EXEGETICALLY as to why this was the one time out of sixty six that he said, "Amen, I say to you today," when 65 other times it was "Amen, I say to you."
I guess Jesus taught the "Satanic doctrine" of the immortality of the soul!
msm1876 2 years ago
There are 2 different heveanly people being talked about at Zech 12 THE LORD ALMIGHTY GOD and the Lord That saves their dwelling places just like at Revelation when Jesus as king returns on a horse wearing king of kings and lord of lords on his thigh.
acoolwitness 2 years ago
That made little sense...there's only one person talking in Zech 12-and it's YHWH. Talking about the day people will look upon ME PIERCED. And Jesus was pierced, and looked upon. Jesus is YHWH-you can try to rationalize this away, eisegete the passage, and try to make it mean something other than what it says...but it doesn't change the truth. I urge you to leave this cult that teaches this theological POISON.
msm1876 2 years ago
Which cult is that.....PROTESTANTISM?!?!?
CATHOLICISM?!?!?
New-age "evangelism"?!
Jehovah's people have never belonged to any CULT!!
JWinCT 2 years ago
@JWinCT
"What is the definition of a cult?"
a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth. In simpler terms, a cult is a group that teaches something that will cause a person to remain unsaved if he/she believes it. As distinct from a religion, a cult is a group that claims to be part of the religion, yet denies essential truth(s) of that religion.
HoocH65 2 years ago
Cont~ A Christian cult is a group that denies one or more of the fundamental truths of Christianity, while still claiming to be Christian
The two most common teachings of cults are that Jesus was not God and that salvation is not by faith alone. A denial of the deity of Christ results in Jesus death not being a sufficient payment for our sins. A denial of salvation by faith alone results in salvation being achieved by our own works, something the Bible vehemently and consistently denies.
HoocH65 2 years ago
I alone am Jehovah and lets not forget when Moses asks WHO God is at the burning bush. Moses was scared and alone and admitted to being unworthy and uncircumcised of lips (shy) so he needed to be sure to whom he was speaking, did God say US then?...NO...he gave his name...YHWH..I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be...Yes that was I...not we...what a great opportunity to state his pluralistic nature....oops missed it!!! NO.
acoolwitness 2 years ago
Well, that was one member of the Godhead speaking to Moses as a representative for all three. Demons do that too-see Mark 5, where the one demon speaks for the rest-I am Legion, for we are many. Look, at the end of the day, if I can prove Jesus to be YHWH all these point are moot, right? So I'd like to do just that. I've yet to see this refuted by ANY unitarian...the evidence is too airtight. Here goes:
Zech 12:10, YHWH is speaking of a day he'd be LOOKED UPON having been pierced. cont
msm1876 2 years ago 2
cont.
The Hebrew specifically says ME, unlike the NWT and a few other translations, where it's translated "him" or "the one." No, the Hebrew of the Masoretic text says "ME." Same with the greek of the LXX-it says ME. This is fulfilled in John 19:37 when Jesus dies and is pierced, then looked upon.
This NEVER happened to the father, yet YHWH said it would happen to him. Yet it happened to Jesus! Jesus is YHWH!
msm1876 2 years ago 2
You have favored the writers for a Trinity and you must know I can do the same against using anti trinity writers but lets use only bible logic. Did the Isrealites believe it? Do today's Jews believe it? I don't mean do they believe in Jesus. Do they believe The Messiah (still due according to them) is Gods equal and do they believe The Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity of God?
acoolwitness 2 years ago
I say this not to be rude, but to simply state a fact: You can not produce a quote from before the 4th century from a Christian who CONSISTENTLY held Jesus was a creature, or that stated the HS was a force. At best, you can take a Church Father's quote about Jesus out of context that appears to support your theology, and then I could show you where that same Father called Jesus "Our God," or worshipped him, or eternally existed. But about the OT question: Cont
msm1876 2 years ago
cont.
No, the Israelites believed in a unipersonal God, because God didn't fully give the fuller revelation about himself thru Jesus and the writings of the Apostles in the NT. Jews didn't believe the Messiah would be Michael the Archangel, either.
But is the concept of a multi-personal God in the OT? Yep. Who was God talking to when he said this:
"Let us make man in OUR image" Gen 1:26
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" Isaiah 6:8
cont
msm1876 2 years ago
Before you quickly say, "Him and his Son, Michael the Archangel!" Please consider this:
God NEVER uses "US" when He is in the company of Angels. Read Genesis 18 when YHWH and 2 angels appear as men to Abraham. He never uses "us' or "we." There's simply no scriptural precedence for that, that I'm aware of.
And if you want to use the "plural majesty" argument, that device hadn't yet been invented when Moses wrote Genesis.
msm1876 2 years ago
Genesis ITELSF in the first chapters refers to God's holy spirit as His "active force".
The Hebrew word is "breath", so it's a force that emanates from God Himself!!!!
JWinCT 2 years ago
Well, ruach in Hebrew can mean spirit or breath, but not force. That word is koach, and it can mean strength, power, force, or might. So while the NWT renders it "active force," the Hebrew of Genesis 1:2 does not.
msm1876 2 years ago
[ruach in Hebrew can mean spirit or breath, but not force]
Q: Does ruach mean 3rd person of the Trinity according to lexical Hebrew?
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
Bandaid, we meet again, my most worthy and respected opponent. (That was intentionally overly dramatic, but anything but sarcastic.)
No, ruach doesn't have any overt trinitarian connotations in the OT, but...
1) There are times when understanding it as "breath" or "wind" would be ridiculous. See Gen 41:8 where pharoah's ruach was troubled.
2)In Ezekiel 11:5 the Ruach of YHWH fell on Ezekiel and SAID to him, "Speak!" That indicates some sort of personality, in my opinion.
cont
msm1876 2 years ago
3) Nehemiah 9:20 indicates YHWH gave his "good ruach" to instruct.
4) Isaiah 61:10 said the Israelites rebelled and grieved YHWH's qodesh ruach (holy spirit)
So what I'm saying is that while the Spirit of YHWH is often portayed as divine energy in the OT, he's not exclusively portrayed that way. There's enough in the OT not to rule out the Ruach of YHWH being a person...and the NT more than confirms this.
msm1876 2 years ago
*ITSELF.
I type faster than my brain can spellcheck!!
JWinCT 2 years ago
The Trinity,hell,all go to heaven,christmas and so many more are the "Sower and the Seed" fulfilled. The field was over sown by the enemy (satan) after Jesus had sown it first. Let the weeds grow withe the wheat until harvest....which is almost here.
acoolwitness 2 years ago
msm1876 your argument about Constantine is valid but the council of Nicea DID only establish Jesus and God the Father as God, they waited for half a century before allowing the Holy Spirit into the Godhead, thereby completing the Trinity so please don't try to convince people it was an accepted Doctrine of Jesus' day or soon thereafter. LOOK IT UP
acoolwitness 2 years ago
Well...here's the deal acoolwitness. Nicea was about the controversy Arius stirred up about Jesus Christ. It wasn't so much about the Holy Spirit. Here's something I doubt you knew...Arias believed the HS to be a PERSON, just not of the same substance of the Father. It was the Macedonians who later denied his personality. That's why the creed was updated in 381 to make it crystal clear who the HS was. So let's look at the accusation that the idea of the Father, Son, and HS weren't...cont
msm1876 2 years ago
cont. seen as being God in Jesus day or soon after that. Let's first look at the 100s:
150 AD Justin Martyr "But both Him, and the Son (who came forth from Him and taught us these things, and the host of the other good angels who follow and are made like to Him), and the prophetic Spirit, we worship and adore." (Justin Martyr, First Apology, ch 6) Notice what else Justin say: "Worship God alone." (1st Apology, ch 16) "Whence to God alone we render worship." (1st Apology, ch 17) cont...
msm1876 2 years ago
150 AD Polycarp of Smyrna "I praise you... along with the everlasting and heavenly Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, with whom, to you and the Holy Spirit, be glory both now and to all coming ages. Amen" (Martyrdom of Polycarp 14).
190 AD Clement Of Alexandria "I understand nothing else than the Holy Trinity to be meant; for the third is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the second, by whom all things were made according to the will of the Father." (Stromata, Book V, ch. 14)
cont
msm1876 2 years ago
Now, the 200s:
207 Tertullian "Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent Persons, who are yet distinct One from Another. These Three are, one essence, not one Person, as it is said, 'I and my Father are One' [John 10:30], in respect of unity of Being not singularity of number" (Against Praxeas, 25)
cont
msm1876 2 years ago
200 AD Hippolytus "A man, therefore, even though he will it not, is compelled to acknowledge God the Father Almighty, and Christ Jesus the Son of God, who, being God, became man, to whom also the Father made all things subject, Himself excepted, and the Holy Spirit; and that these, therefore, are three. (Against The Heresy Of One Noetus) cont
msm1876 2 years ago
262 AD Gregory the Wonder-worker "But if they say, 'How can there be three Persons, and how but one Divinity?' we shall make this reply: That there are indeed three persons, inasmuch as there is one person of God the Father, and one of the Lord the Son, and one of the Holy Spirit; and yet that there is but one divinity, inasmuch as . . . there is one substance in the Trinity" (A Sectional Confession of Faith, 14). cont
msm1876 2 years ago
To close, acoolwitness, the doctrine of a threefold manifestation of one God was believed AT LEAST the 2nd century on. And I'd gladly make the case that it can easily be found within the apostolic writings as well.
Bottom line: NO ONE before Arius and Lucian believed Jesus to be a creature who was otherwise orthodox. NO ONE. And that badly, badly, badly damages the notions that the apostles preached it.
msm1876 2 years ago
The Coordinator at Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh says "Some have misunderstood 'minor blood fraction' to mean a small quantity of whole blood. As such they have refused to consider minor blood fractions reasoning that they will not accept a blood transfusion whether it is large or small in volume.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Further, they cannot understand how it is that any person who will not accept a blood transfusion could even consider accepting a minor blood fraction. In this they MAY NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE INTENT OF THE TERM, 'MINOR BLOOD FRACTION.'To clarify this, some have used the analogy of a pie to try to express what a minor blood fraction is.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
In this analogy, a minor blood fraction would not be akin to a small piece of the pie. Rather a minor blood fraction is like a small ingredient that went into the making of the pie.
So, A MINOR BLOOD FRACTIONS IS NOT A SMALL AMOUT OF WHOLE BLOOD. A minor blood fraction is a product derived from one of bloods primary components. Whatever your individual decision, it is helpful to understand the intent of the term, 'minor blood fraction.'"
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
According to the medical community YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Fabman94 Considering H20 and Blood are both fluids and need other components to make their fluids I think it was a fine example. If you didnt like that example I gave fine, then Ill give you a Medical Drs analogy. But first here are a few list of medications that contain blood fractions but most Drs (may be none) DONT consider these medications having the components of WHOLE BLOOD:
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Botox contains human albumin, a protein derived by fractionation; vaccinations, such as immune globulin (IG) preparations, varicella zoster immune globulin (VZIG) erythropoeitin utilized in the U.S. (Epogen, Procrit). Although these medications have blood fractions, they're not considered WHOLE BLOOD as Drs indicate.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
The JW view on Blood fractions (as they are called) allows for THE INDIVIDUAL to choose based on their own conscience as for whole blood the vote is unanimously against the use and its noteworthy that more harm is done from use of blood in medicine than good is done, that's a fact . Also do you think you could ratchet your colorful vocabulary down a notch for the kiddies.
acoolwitness 2 years ago
Whats the point, its been done nevermind.
theBIBLETHUMPER83 2 years ago
TheRealTruth1914,
You wanna repeat your question, it appears that the other have kept you in check. I'll finish you tho .
theBIBLETHUMPER83 2 years ago
The Bible says that those who go to heaven, will rule as kings and priest.
If they are going to rule, there has to be someone on earth to rule over !
theBIBLETHUMPER83 2 years ago
Spirit creatures neither eat nor do they drink so why would the scriptures speak of a time we will plant vineyards and drink, grow food and eat and nobody will take these away from us, we will own them. So if we all become spirit creatures like Jesus then Whom is the Bible referring to as owning (Possessing) these properties on earth. I'm still waiting for your first answer....your falling behind.
acoolwitness 2 years ago
NewageGamer are you there? I was hoping you might answer before November but here we are and still you remain silent. I will take your silence to mean that you haven't really thought it all through. You had truthful, simple answers as a JW but its harder when you try to cover for The Emperor Constantine and almost 1650 years of false doctrine.
acoolwitness 2 years ago
Did you know that during the last few years of Constantine's life, he began believing what you did, that Jesus was a creature? He died not long after being baptized by an Arian bishop. Did you know that there were no Christians who were otherwise orthodox before Arius and his teacher Lucian, just unnamed fringe heretics, that believed Jesus was a creature? Disbelieve Jesus' deity if you wish, but don't make it look like it took a "pagan" emperor to make "Christendom" believe it.
msm1876 2 years ago
Even tho I don't cling to Arianism in any way, do you know that Arian was MUCH MORE WELL researched before he went into the council of Nicaea than any other other so-called "christians" were at the time? It's true.
The decision at Nicea was all politics. A lot of the different factions didn't even show up. So whoever had the biggest mouth that day won their "case". It had nothing to do with truth, scripture, Jesus, or with 1st century Christianity!!!
JWinCT 2 years ago
A) Arius was a bright guy, no two ways about it! Great theologian, but his Christology was thoroughly un-apostolic.
B) Nicea did little to really hurt Arianism...from 330-380, Arianism was the THE Christology of Christendom. Again, Constantine, who you all love to scapegoat as the guy who sent true Christianity down the tubes, died believing Arianism!
C)Except for Arius and Lucian, NO ONE before 250 believed Jesus to be a creature. Kinda hurts the claim that the apostles taught it, no?
msm1876 2 years ago
Fabman94 I see that your offended by me asking questions. Now if you take 1 of those components is that still considered blood? In biblical times they didnt have advance technology like they have it no. Water is composed of Hydrogen and Oxygen, would you still consider Hydrogen with out Oxygen = to water? Or what about Oxygen with out Hydrogen is that still = to water? Ill be waiting for your answer. Lets see if you do know what you are talking about.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Correction: In biblical times they didnt have advance technology like we have it now
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Fabman94 With your insults and cursing you are making Trinitarians look bad "keep up the good work loser,". Try to keep your insults to yourself and have a conversation with substance.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Fabman94 Let me put you to the test. What are the 4 primary components of blood? Once youre educated on that then we can continue our conversation.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Fabman94 You just prooved my point "the bible says BLOOD period. not WHOLE blood. ALL blood." Do you understand what you are even talking about?
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Fabman94 The Trinity is a man made concept "the truth and what" man just made up. The trinity = non biblical teaching
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Fabman94 Everything you said is not WHOLE BLOOD as you said it yourself "blood fragments". And we dont eat "meat with blood" we cook it well done.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
C'mon Newagegamer where is the scripture to back up your comment. You say Jesus was conscious after death. PROOVE IT
acoolwitness 2 years ago
stay out of what you obviously don't belong in Fabman94. Your language links YOU to Satan.
acoolwitness 2 years ago
I am asking for evidence of this and I have waited for some time now!! This should be simple if its true so lets get at it.
acoolwitness 2 years ago
TRTruth 1914 is blurting. Meanwhile I have a legitimate query with this poster. Right now as it stands Newgamer has openly admitted that Jesus was conscious, alive and in direct communication with heaven during his 3 days that the bible says he was dead.
acoolwitness 2 years ago
That's insane.
Jesus was as dead as anybody else who is dead.
Total lack of any consciousness, whatsoever!
(Another proof against trinity!!--If Jesus was dead, false religionist trinitarians, that MUST mean that Almighty God was dead!! INCONCEIVABLE!!!!!)
JWinCT 2 years ago
Defend, It was fun and educational to have a respectful debate with you. I will leave you with these words: God bless:)
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
You guys are trying to hard to defend the WTS. House to house activity is not denied. It is the emphasis employed that identifies the real Christians that the WTS uses that is in question.
This method of door to door is not a sign or absolute requirement for Christians to gain God's approval. The WTS uses this to control their followers to do their work, they are a PRINTING COMPANY and you guys are called PUBLISHERS.
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
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acoolwitness 2 years ago
Look Ngamer not only scritural support but ACCORDING to Scriptural Prophesy.
1 Cor 15:3-4 that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,.....where is the reference to being alive?
acoolwitness 2 years ago
You over look the fact that they entered these homes for lodging. If peace was there, they would remain. If not, they would move on. They were instructed on how to to lodge at the locations where they would do their preaching. Read the accounts very carefully, you will notice that Jesus and the disciples success was preaching in the open not in the homes.
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
TheRealTruth1914
Are trying to say that Jesus taught everywhere, except house ?!
then you have to produce scriptural evidence to support your argument. NO MORE TALKING, PRODUCE SCRIPTURE !
theBIBLETHUMPER83 2 years ago
thebiblethumper, A few witnessing activities:
Matt 3:1-6, 4:17, 4:18-22, 4:23-25, 5:1-7:29, 8:1-4, 8:5-10, 8:14-17, 8:18-22, 8:28-34, 9:2-8
9:9, 9:10-13, 9:14-17, 9:18-26, 9:27-3, 9:32-34
9:35-38, 10:1-42 There are more than 150 separate incidents recorded, about only 34 included any reference to "house or "home".
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
"Wherever you enter into a house..."(a house they were invited) "stay in that house, eating and drinking the things they provide" (lodging),..."Do not be transferring house to house." Luke 10:1-7
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
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DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
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DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
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TheRealTruth1914 You totally misinterpreted Luke 10:1-7. What was the point of Jesus commissioning his disciples to "enter into a house"? Answer: vs 9 "..and go on telling them, The kingdom of God has come near to YOU." And yes they did go to "a house they were invited" to but others they werent vs 10 "But wherever YOU enter into a city and THEY DO NOT receive YOU."
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
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And the disciples were told not to "transferring house to house" to ____? Answer is in the previous vs eating and drinking. This has nothing to do not going house to house and preach
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Yeah it is funny! But according to the WTS, one must go door to door in a consecutive order, (for the purpose of placing literature). Jesus went to homes that merited his visit and where he was invited to teach. Yes one must preach, but the door to door method is not the only method or the most effective. But the WTS emphasizes this method as an obligation to gain God's approval. You gain eternal life, they gain donations, caching!
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
acool, What is your point with the criminal? No one brought that up for debate. You can quote all the Scriptures you want, but it is the WTS that most of us are attacking, not sincere individuals. You are avoiding my seven facts. How about addressing them?
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
Please address my 2 questions below.
acoolwitness 2 years ago
Act 20:20
I didnot hold back form telling you any of the things profitable, nor from you teaching publicly and from HOUSE TO HOUSE !
theBIBLETHUMPER83 2 years ago
TheRealTruth1914
Read Act 5:42.
And everyday in the temple, and from HOUSE TO HOUSE, they continued teaching and declaring the good news of Christ Jesus !
theBIBLETHUMPER83 2 years ago
How about reading rather than assuming. Where does it say 'DOOR TO DOOR"? House to house is different than door to door. If I need to explain it, then you are not capable to understand.
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
So what happened to the criminal hanging beside Jesus? Heaven? and as the scripture is understood by non witness Christians THAT DAY!!
" I Tell you today you will be with me in paradise" I thought Jesus was dead for 3 days? Or are we wrong there too?
acoolwitness 2 years ago
I dont think anyone would describe hanging impaled and bloody as paradise .
theBIBLETHUMPER83 2 years ago
Coolwitness, you are assuming that while Jesus was dead he was literally unconcious for those three days. Jesus cleary was quite busy, going before the Father to offer up his living sacrifice, taking the wrath of God, preaching to the spirits in prison, and being with the repented evildoer in Paradise.
The WTS smuggles up their assumptions and doctrines so they HAVE to mistranslate Luke 23:43. Show me one time where Jesus is quoted saying "Most truly I tell you Today". Its not there.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
NGamer...........Are you able to back up the statement you just made? Where does scripture indicate Jesus was conscious during those 3 days he was dead?
acoolwitness 2 years ago
I'll back up Brian's statement with scripture. Without any punctuation, here is Jesus' statement in luke 23:43:
Amen I say to you today you will be with me in paradise.
Sixty five other times, Jesus said, "Amen, I say to you..." and spoke his truth. He didn't follow it with "today." Based on that pattern, the entirely sound way to exegete that passage is to understand Jesus was promising the thief he'd be with him, later that day, in paradise.
msm1876 2 years ago
....but Jesus WASN'T IN Paradise on that day, or the day following, or the day following!!
Where was he?
UNCONSCIOUS IN DEATH.....in the ground!!!
Jesus was in the Bible's "Hell" for parts of 3 days!!! Waiting for Jehovah God to resurrect him!!!!!
JWinCT 2 years ago
See, what you're saying is, "Because my theology understands death as non-existence, Jesus COULDN'T have been assuring the thief he'd be in paradise with him later that day." Whereas I'm exegeting the passage, looking at the way Jesus says things, and concluding, "Well, looks like he was assuring the thief he'd be in Paradise later that day!" And if you want to bring in Ecc 9:5 to this, feel free! I've dealt with that in the past!
msm1876 2 years ago
So then who are the FLESH that survive the Great Tribulation?
acoolwitness 2 years ago
What do you mean by this question, I dont understand what your trying to ask.
Newagegamer3018 2 years ago
Truthful comments:
1)The WTS has made many FALSE predictions.
2) JW's allow their children to die for their unfounded blood doctrine.
3) No where in the Bible is mentioned to preach DOOR to DOOR.
4)Jesus did not establish a religion or an organization.
5) The WTS says Jehovah is the editor of the WT, but claim that they are not inspired.
6)They erroneously add God's name in the NT even though no ancient Greek manuscripts have it.
7) Your founder was a mason.
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
NOT Truthful comments: 1) You said: The WTS has made many FALSE predictions. My Answer: There is a difference between making a prediction and misinterpreting scriptures. To correct you The WT misinterpreted the scriptures. The source of this so called "prediction" was base on the scripture not on their own initiative. So your statement is FALSE.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Defend, Charles Russell used the pyramid to calculate the prediction of 1914and not the Bible.
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
TheRealTruth1914 The Great Pyramid of Giza was a SECONDARY reference to what Russell believed that the presence of Christ came in 1874 (a calculation he got FIRST from the bible NOT 1914 you got the date wrong), and since the measurement of the grand gallery of the Pyramid as being 1,874 inches along the top, he though the Pyramid was thought to be the altar of Jehovah in the midst of the land of Egypt mentioned in Isa 19:19.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Defend, If you go further in history, John Aquila Brown was the first who arrived at a prophetic time period of 2,520 years. The 1914 date also originated with Nelson H. Barbour, not Russell.
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
TheRealTruth1914 OK what is the point your making?
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
2) You said JW's allow their children to die for their unfounded blood doctrine. My answer: You might not agree with our interpretation of scripture but the bible clearly says in "abstain from blood" Acts 15:28, 29.But what about those who end up getting contaminated blood and end up with hepatitis,HIV,or other deadly diseases?And those patients who receive donated blood run a much higher risk of dying from heart attacks and other cardiac problems in the weeks following their blood transfusion.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Defend, I am not defending all blood transfusions, but if my child needed blood from me or if I needed to store my own blood for emergencies, this is the restriction that the WTS enforces that is non Scriptual. Try not to take scriptures out of context, the account of Acts is about the errounious use of blood regarding false worship that the gentiles were still doing. This point was brought out to them if they were to become Christians.
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
TheRealTruth1914 Again, its base on interpretation of scripture. Whether its eating/drinking, touching, or transfusion the council is "abstain from blood" If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU! Acts 15:29
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
3) You said: No where in the Bible is mentioned to preach DOOR to DOOR. My Answer: Not only did he tell us to go door to door but he demonstrated it "the Lord designated seventy others and sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come" Luke 10.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
There are many examples where the Disciples went to peoples homes. Jesus said "The good news will be preached before the end comes (Matthew 24:14) what makes you think he excluded preaching at peoples homes?
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
4)You said Jesus did not establish a religion or an organization. My answer: And yet the bible says regarding the followers of Christ "the disciples were by divine providence called Christians" Acts 11:26
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
5) You said The WTS says Jehovah is the editor of the WT, but claim that they are not inspired. My Answer: You must be referring to the case of Olin Moyle v. WTB&TS, 1943. When you read the court case in its full context they explain what they mean for example in a question and answer format this is what took place:
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
A. The magazine is not dogmatic. Dogma literally means opinion and the "Watch Tower" does not set for the opinion of man. The "Watch Tower" instead of being dogmatic is confident because it bases its conclusions upon the word of God and therefore it is sure of the ground upon which it is walking. It does not arrogantly assert any opinion with unwarranted positiveness.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Q. I understand that you say that in 1931, the Watch Tower discontinued naming the editorial committee, and then Jehovah God became the editor, is that correct?
A. Jehovah's editorship was indicated thereby citing Isaiah 54:13.
The Court: He asked you if in 1931 Jehovah God became editor, according to your theory.
The Witness: No, I wouldn't say so.
Q. Didn't you say the Jehovah God became the editor of this paper at some time.
A. He was always the one guiding the course of the paper.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Q. Didn't you state that on October 15, 1931, the Watch Tower discontinued the naming of an editorial committee and then Jehovah God became the editor?
A. I didn't say Jehovah God became the editor. It was appreciated that Jehovah God really is the One who is editing the paper, and therefore the naming of an editorial committee was out of place.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Q. So that these leaders of agents of God are not infallible, are they?
A. That is right.
The FULL CONTEXT is suggesting that Jehovah is the editor in the sense that the WT takes the biblical perspective in their writings and not of their own. Your not reading it in its full context
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
6) You said They erroneously add God's name in the NT even though no ancient Greek manuscripts have it. My answer: With good reasons we did add Jehovahs name in the NT but YOU nor I can really CANT prove that Jehovahs name wasnt there in the first place. Considering John in the book of Revelation Ch 19 said "Praise Jah" why all of the sudden they would just stop praising Jah?
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
7) You said Your founder was a mason. My answer: This is what Russell himself said "I have NEVER been a Mason" June, 1913; Convention discourse "The Temple of God"("Convention Report Sermons" pg. 362) And many other articles that he wrote denying he was a Mason 1908; Convention Question Meeting ("The Question Book" pg. 318), 1904 "The New Creation", pp. 580-581, Zion's Watch Tower, June, 1895, pg. 143, etc.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
But of course who cares despite the evidence people just like the Rumors and like "their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Defend, If there was a removal of God's name, why would they miss Revelation? The NT is focusing on Jesus, this was God's plan. God's purposes are all coming to fulfillment through his son. Either way, no one should alter the Bible, adding or removing.
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
TheRealTruth1914 Good question. If Jehovahs name is in the scriptures THOUSANDS OF TIMES in the Hebrew text why is it only written in the KJV 6 times, and in other bibles NONE ZERO. Why did they remove Jehovah from the Greek Septuagint? And the evidence points out that the Disciples used the LXX. Jesus surly is emphasize but there is not dispute that John showed we should still Praise Jah
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Just to be clear the LXX does contain Jehovahs name, but some LXX text removed his name.
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Defend, it was Olin R Moyle v. F.W. Franz at the Supreme Court, section 2596-7, 4420-1. Lawyer: "At any rate, Jehovah God is now the editor of the paper, is that right?"
F. Franz: "He is today the editor of the paper."
Lawyer: "How long has he been the editor of the paper?"
F. Franz: "Since its inception he has been guiding it."
Lawyer: "Even before 1931?"
F. Franz; " Yes, sir..."
TheRealTruth1914 2 years ago
Again read context:
Q. Who became the editor when this was discontinued?
A. Jehovah God.
Q. And who wrote the magazine under the direction of Almighty God?
A. Various individuals contributed to the magazine, Judge Rutherford, and others.
Q. Who passed on what went into it?
A. Judge Rutherford, primarily, and he also called in associates --
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
The full context is suggesting that Jehovah is the editor in the sense that the WT takes the biblical perspective in their writings and not of their own. Your not reading it in its full context
DefendingYHWH 2 years ago
Q. I understand that you say that in 1931, the Watch Tower discontinued naming the editorial committee, and then Jehovah God became the editor, is that correct?
A. Jehovah's editorship was indicated thereby citing Isaiah 54:13.
The Court: He asked you if in 1931 Jehovah God became editor, according to your theory.
The Witness: No, I wouldn't say so.
Q. Didn't you say the Jehovah God became the editor of this paper at some time.
A. He was always the one guiding the c