It's amazing to me that this is still even a debate. We watch the Duggars on TLC and think they're just wonderful. God will provide, right? I happen to believe in god and I bet he thinks we're a bunch of selfish pricks for believing he'll clean up after us.
I guarantee that if we were all forced to adopt a more sustainable lifestyle, overall happiness would increase too. We don't produce a thing in this country which I believe also has a negative psychological impact.
One of the most fertile and vast land is found in Sudan...Yet only 7% of it is cultivated, and the fighting between their tribes is taking all their time, making them not see that they have the key for future survival......I've seen once that if the fertile land in Sudan was cultivated it would be sufficient to feed tens of countries....
All we need is to stop killing each other and stop occupying other countries to focus and invest in strategies for future development
@neoarcadezr I believe the point of the video is to prompt reflection by thoughtful persons about making the inevitable move to a post-petroleum society. Most of us can do such a thing, but fail to act in our best interests. We're too easily manipulated by corporations that do not have our long-term best interests in mind. It's about designing a future of sustainability, harmony, and equality. Read "The Great Transformation" by Karl Polyani to understand the forces at work.
man, there are places in the world where people believe that the most important thing is to have as many children as possible. It's not important how you gonna feed them, or educate them... this is all God's job. Your job is to make them and have no responsibilaty about anything else. I don't think any oil embargo can effect those places of the planet
I do acknowledge that after a few generations, a decrease in manufacturing would decrease population by decreasing the amount of babies being born, but it would also bring about death by starvation.
AdamHintz, I find your understanding of economics to be backwards. Manufacturers don't produce more food unless there are more people to buy it: doing that would unnecessarily lower their prices. You yourself imply this in your video when you point out that in Cuba, after manufacturing was forced to decrease, people lost weight.
Some indigenous groups have controlled their populations historically I believe. Birth control IS NOT a modern invention! But I agree its a cultural problem in more ways than one..interfere with the fundamental security of the infant, and the relationships between people thereafter, and you get consumerism; have dysfunctional sexual customs stemming from insecurity, and the mother-infant bond can be interfered with by the needy father.
"Wanting More" is an American right! (okay, removing my tounge from cheek...)
Seriously, I really believe our culture will have to crash in order to bring about change. The masses really feel this planet is their property. Until they are forced to stop- it isn't going to happen. I know, I am being very negative. I don't like it- but I have become a realist.
I think the answer to this is to pump out as much greenhouse gases as possible thus warming the planet and freeing up the huge land masses in the northern hemishphere that are now suffering from permafrost making more land available for human habitation and national forest parks.
...but, adam, u say the problem is due to the culture of acquiring more and more. Why is China and India the most overpopulated areas of the world and yet dunnot have this culture?
@Armahx : Yummy ; lots of acidic, peat soils to eat. And acres of space to build on,which would be handy, as those coastal plains and estuaries,currently occupied by humans,would slip beneath the waves.Welcome to Denver : America's Capitol.
You are right about linking food production to overpopulation Adam. As for the cultural solution to a cultural problem, I'm neither optimistic nor hopeful. The Cuba model won't apply to the U.S., IMHO, because we have 76 people living in cities for every 1 person living on farms. Rooftop gardens just won't cut it for cities like L.A., N.Y., etc. Ultimately earth will sort it out, and she can be a real bitch about tutoring us in the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
we can have more people than food! Modern technology allows us to store food much longer at this time and those stores are more than the population so we keep making more people. at the point that the stores can no longer be kept that it the breaking point where the natural carrying capacity of the land will be realized! Think of it this way, you save money all your life and then decide to go on a cocaine and hooker spree, the sobering up after the money is gone is the end of the food stores!
great vid adam. this simple yet vital info about what is really at the root of over population is missing in most conversations and thinking on the subject.
Yeah, the big boom in population is pretty recent. For millions of years we stayed in small tribes and babies were born at a lower rate and had a lower survival rate than they are now. Now we have more food and longer lives which gives us more time and more health to make more babies. Quit having so many babies, Quit having babies at 40 years old ,let old people die instead of doing everything you can to get 6 more months out of them. Quit convincing your kids to consume as much as possible.
@Atomikbrainfu That depends on how you define "pretty recent". If by that you mean 200 years, then I would agree. If you mean 10-20 years, I disagree. The current world population growth rate is only slightly over 1%; in the 1970s it was over 2%. The problem is that we're rapidly approaching the Earth's carrying capacity for humans, if we have not passed it already. Growing at 2% per year a thousand years ago wasn't a problem - now its potentially disastrous.
how the fuck can you say that over population is a cultural thing when its a GLOBAL problem. I hate to break it to you AdamHintz but even in India over population is a major problem and according to a World Bank estimate 42% of the country lives below the poverty line, thats two thirds of the worlds poor.
so no it is not cultural we are NOT made of food, people simply follow religious stupidity and have children because they think they have to.
Wrong, it is inherent. It can be overcome, but it is inherent. I know this because virtually every human society since the dawn of time has grown as rapidly as it was able to, there are virtually no instances of cases where a human society decided to remain a fixed, sustainable size. Population growth is global, every continent and virtually every country has, and continues to, grow.
@purestr8str Thus the phrase "virtually every country" rather than "every country". Bulgaria frankly, is a much better counter-example, were you searching for one. Note that Bulgaria and Russia have only had stable/negative population growth since, on average, 1990 or so, 20 years does not a long-term trend necessarily make.
@dbrandow I think you're looking at human societies too narrowly. If you really look at societies throughout time, you'll see something different. I understand how you'd think this way since you've been taught this your whole life. It's just not true.
@AdamHintz Show me some evidence that what you claim is true. I can point to dozens, if not hundreds, of societies, both modern and ancient, that plundered their environment, exterminated species, denuded forests, grew their population as fast as possible, read Jared Diamond's The Third Chimpanzee as a good start. I base my beliefs on evidence - show me some.
@dbrandow according to anthropology, paleontology, and anthropology human populations were stable until around 10 or 12 thousand years ago when the introduction of our current style of agriculture came about. not to mention that EVERY continent where this form of ag. was NOT being used we saw stable growth in pop.. for instance north and south america, austrialia, all the pacific islands populations were stable until we got there with our form of ag that is.
@bbbleaver Wrong. Population growth has virtually always been positive. There have been three surges - one after the invention of tools and fire (50000 years ago), one after the agricultural revolution (10000 years ago) and one after the industrial revolution (200 years ago). But it has been positive, not flat, for the last 50000 years ago. There's a commonly available log-log graph that demonstrates population growth, have a look at earthportals for example.
We overshot the long term carrying capacity of the Earth a long time ago, collapse is inevitable but It's a relatively slow process of decllne, it won't happen overnight. It is more a process of deflation than a dramatic collapse.
When there is a surplus of food populations can expand rapidly until they are well above the sustainable limit. The surplus will feed this (still increasing) overpopulation for a time. When the surplus runs out you can no longer feed the entire population.
I suggest you read about a concept called "carrying capacity."
So you're saying, that when the times comes and we lose oil, we'll still make it and it's just going to be this process of meme changing and methods changing. No crash?
@Frosti2008 Dats right yo. Thanks to Monsanto and The Rockefellers we have tripled population growth.
We can directly call the corporate powers out and thank them for our troubles. Playing the no blame game like zzz has been suggesting is a hasty slippery slope.
We know who owns us, and we know we are slaves. Trying to take responsibility individually for someone else's wrong doing isn't going to take down the source of the issue. Overpopulation is corporatism at its finest.
@altamatam I see what you're saying. And I agree that corporations have a big big hand in this. But we (slaves) are also participators in this world wide suicide. If we can break our chains and live differently, our hands won't be dirtied by what the culture at large is doing. This can be done, I've already started walking down this path.
I want biological children because I don't see anything wrong with it and I won't be made to feel guilty for having a child anymore than I would be made to feel guilty for aborting or not adopting. That doesn't mean I want 9, but I think a biological family is fulfilling.
Overpopulation isn't due to over reproduction, not directly. There is something deeper behind it, and when she gets to that point, I'll say yay Criss is mooooovin' on up, movin on up, she finally got a piece of the piiiie.
@altamatam I'm curious as to how many biokids do you have. I have two. And I'm very curious as to what this deeper reason for overpopulation you're wanting Katrina to point out.
@AdamHintz None, I'm 19. this is cupofcoffees. The deeper reason isn't the next door neighbor's fault. Just cuz he has 4 kids and waters his lawn and doesn't recycle doesn't mean it's his fault, or his 6 month old baby's. The miners and army men didn't ask for their position.
There are superpowers. Not admitting this is a scary way to lose your own power. Criss seems to think being a vegetarian is going to stop the meat industry.
@altamatam I agree, we're all aculturated to live this way. For myself, when I began to understand there are ways out, I had to take them. I couldn't keep living this way. It was more than a ethical choice. It was a common sense vison of how I want thing to be. About the superpowers, they need to be deflated. The only way I can do that is by not needing them anymore. I've begun this journey we'll see where it goes.
Adam, 6.7 billion are not sustainable, and the nuts think we are going to be able to bear 9 billion?
I just was watching a thing on WYCC WoldNet about PlumpyNut. It is a therapuetic food for starving kids. But my thought immediately was that PlumpyNut facilitates more births. Of course.
However, the more educated we are, the more women who control government, generally the lower the birthrate.
I like your point about Cuba and permaculture. Nice.
@TuboEspectador Yeah, we needed to solve this challenge about 200 years ago if not sooner. The education point is a good one but again, the underlying cause of overpopulation is totalitarian agriculture. I'm glad you like the Cuba comment. Thanks for adding to the discussion.
zomgitscriss... where do you get katrina from this?
spishcadet 1 month ago
And her name is Kristina! Not KAT
MrChesstime 11 months ago
It's amazing to me that this is still even a debate. We watch the Duggars on TLC and think they're just wonderful. God will provide, right? I happen to believe in god and I bet he thinks we're a bunch of selfish pricks for believing he'll clean up after us.
I guarantee that if we were all forced to adopt a more sustainable lifestyle, overall happiness would increase too. We don't produce a thing in this country which I believe also has a negative psychological impact.
poshko41 1 year ago
@poshko41 we can produce things in this country(america)...WEAPONS!!! >:)
MegaAppless 10 months ago
One of the most fertile and vast land is found in Sudan...Yet only 7% of it is cultivated, and the fighting between their tribes is taking all their time, making them not see that they have the key for future survival......I've seen once that if the fertile land in Sudan was cultivated it would be sufficient to feed tens of countries....
All we need is to stop killing each other and stop occupying other countries to focus and invest in strategies for future development
eliash1988 1 year ago
so true man, so true
griffin3220789 1 year ago
whats the point of this video
neoarcadezr 1 year ago
@neoarcadezr I believe the point of the video is to prompt reflection by thoughtful persons about making the inevitable move to a post-petroleum society. Most of us can do such a thing, but fail to act in our best interests. We're too easily manipulated by corporations that do not have our long-term best interests in mind. It's about designing a future of sustainability, harmony, and equality. Read "The Great Transformation" by Karl Polyani to understand the forces at work.
bassackward360 1 year ago
@bassackward360 Yes.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
You know the answer.There are too many people
timrice666 1 year ago
man, there are places in the world where people believe that the most important thing is to have as many children as possible. It's not important how you gonna feed them, or educate them... this is all God's job. Your job is to make them and have no responsibilaty about anything else. I don't think any oil embargo can effect those places of the planet
PeterYos 1 year ago
I do acknowledge that after a few generations, a decrease in manufacturing would decrease population by decreasing the amount of babies being born, but it would also bring about death by starvation.
JFM131 1 year ago
@JFM131 but eventually death by starvation for millions if not billions will happen anyway so maybe thats the lesser of 2 evils?...
aghelbren 1 year ago
AdamHintz, I find your understanding of economics to be backwards. Manufacturers don't produce more food unless there are more people to buy it: doing that would unnecessarily lower their prices. You yourself imply this in your video when you point out that in Cuba, after manufacturing was forced to decrease, people lost weight.
JFM131 1 year ago
Some indigenous groups have controlled their populations historically I believe. Birth control IS NOT a modern invention! But I agree its a cultural problem in more ways than one..interfere with the fundamental security of the infant, and the relationships between people thereafter, and you get consumerism; have dysfunctional sexual customs stemming from insecurity, and the mother-infant bond can be interfered with by the needy father.
givebirthathome 1 year ago
"Wanting More" is an American right! (okay, removing my tounge from cheek...)
Seriously, I really believe our culture will have to crash in order to bring about change. The masses really feel this planet is their property. Until they are forced to stop- it isn't going to happen. I know, I am being very negative. I don't like it- but I have become a realist.
simplespirit101 1 year ago
The problem is NOT over population - it's terrible and criminal mis-management by GOVERNMENTS !
rolynstone48 1 year ago
The problem is Not over population - the problem is terrible and criminal mis-management by and of GOVERNMENTS !
rolynstone48 1 year ago
I think the answer to this is to pump out as much greenhouse gases as possible thus warming the planet and freeing up the huge land masses in the northern hemishphere that are now suffering from permafrost making more land available for human habitation and national forest parks.
Armahx 1 year ago
@Armahx nope.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
@AdamHintz Lol I was being sarcastic but you can see the genius in this, goldmember would be proud, mwahahahaha
Armahx 1 year ago
@AdamHintz
that may be the "if-all-else-fails" plan. XD
...but, adam, u say the problem is due to the culture of acquiring more and more. Why is China and India the most overpopulated areas of the world and yet dunnot have this culture?
5amuman 1 year ago
@Armahx : Yummy ; lots of acidic, peat soils to eat. And acres of space to build on,which would be handy, as those coastal plains and estuaries,currently occupied by humans,would slip beneath the waves.Welcome to Denver : America's Capitol.
theMacvarish 1 year ago
@Armahx lol wouldnt taking out greenhouse gases cool th planet? Either way.. nope
TheRobinh007 1 year ago
wow this was an amazing video, very clearly put. thank you.
F0LL0WTHEWHITERABBIT 1 year ago
You are right about linking food production to overpopulation Adam. As for the cultural solution to a cultural problem, I'm neither optimistic nor hopeful. The Cuba model won't apply to the U.S., IMHO, because we have 76 people living in cities for every 1 person living on farms. Rooftop gardens just won't cut it for cities like L.A., N.Y., etc. Ultimately earth will sort it out, and she can be a real bitch about tutoring us in the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
DeathNeedsTime 1 year ago
Help stop the inbred population, have your leaders spayed and nuetered!!
MXD42769 1 year ago
we can have more people than food! Modern technology allows us to store food much longer at this time and those stores are more than the population so we keep making more people. at the point that the stores can no longer be kept that it the breaking point where the natural carrying capacity of the land will be realized! Think of it this way, you save money all your life and then decide to go on a cocaine and hooker spree, the sobering up after the money is gone is the end of the food stores!
larsonb33 1 year ago
great vid adam. this simple yet vital info about what is really at the root of over population is missing in most conversations and thinking on the subject.
bbbleaver 1 year ago
@bbbleaver Thanks B.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
nice haircut
86669Tommy 1 year ago
@86669Tommy Ha! I just woke up.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
@AdamHintz XD when i wake up i got a afro as big as a skippy ball!
86669Tommy 1 year ago
Yeah, the big boom in population is pretty recent. For millions of years we stayed in small tribes and babies were born at a lower rate and had a lower survival rate than they are now. Now we have more food and longer lives which gives us more time and more health to make more babies. Quit having so many babies, Quit having babies at 40 years old ,let old people die instead of doing everything you can to get 6 more months out of them. Quit convincing your kids to consume as much as possible.
Atomikbrainfu 1 year ago
@Atomikbrainfu That depends on how you define "pretty recent". If by that you mean 200 years, then I would agree. If you mean 10-20 years, I disagree. The current world population growth rate is only slightly over 1%; in the 1970s it was over 2%. The problem is that we're rapidly approaching the Earth's carrying capacity for humans, if we have not passed it already. Growing at 2% per year a thousand years ago wasn't a problem - now its potentially disastrous.
dbrandow 1 year ago
how the fuck can you say that over population is a cultural thing when its a GLOBAL problem. I hate to break it to you AdamHintz but even in India over population is a major problem and according to a World Bank estimate 42% of the country lives below the poverty line, thats two thirds of the worlds poor.
so no it is not cultural we are NOT made of food, people simply follow religious stupidity and have children because they think they have to.
PsychoSymantic 1 year ago
Wrong, it is inherent. It can be overcome, but it is inherent. I know this because virtually every human society since the dawn of time has grown as rapidly as it was able to, there are virtually no instances of cases where a human society decided to remain a fixed, sustainable size. Population growth is global, every continent and virtually every country has, and continues to, grow.
dbrandow 1 year ago
@dbrandow not russia.
purestr8str 1 year ago
@purestr8str Thus the phrase "virtually every country" rather than "every country". Bulgaria frankly, is a much better counter-example, were you searching for one. Note that Bulgaria and Russia have only had stable/negative population growth since, on average, 1990 or so, 20 years does not a long-term trend necessarily make.
dbrandow 1 year ago
@dbrandow I think you're looking at human societies too narrowly. If you really look at societies throughout time, you'll see something different. I understand how you'd think this way since you've been taught this your whole life. It's just not true.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
@AdamHintz Show me some evidence that what you claim is true. I can point to dozens, if not hundreds, of societies, both modern and ancient, that plundered their environment, exterminated species, denuded forests, grew their population as fast as possible, read Jared Diamond's The Third Chimpanzee as a good start. I base my beliefs on evidence - show me some.
dbrandow 1 year ago
@AdamHintz
i think you should make a video to show why it is a cultural thing and not inherent. People dont understand that concept.
D4R3W 1 year ago
@dbrandow according to anthropology, paleontology, and anthropology human populations were stable until around 10 or 12 thousand years ago when the introduction of our current style of agriculture came about. not to mention that EVERY continent where this form of ag. was NOT being used we saw stable growth in pop.. for instance north and south america, austrialia, all the pacific islands populations were stable until we got there with our form of ag that is.
bbbleaver 1 year ago
@bbbleaver Wrong. Population growth has virtually always been positive. There have been three surges - one after the invention of tools and fire (50000 years ago), one after the agricultural revolution (10000 years ago) and one after the industrial revolution (200 years ago). But it has been positive, not flat, for the last 50000 years ago. There's a commonly available log-log graph that demonstrates population growth, have a look at earthportals for example.
dbrandow 1 year ago
We overshot the long term carrying capacity of the Earth a long time ago, collapse is inevitable but It's a relatively slow process of decllne, it won't happen overnight. It is more a process of deflation than a dramatic collapse.
yeahwotevaman 1 year ago
@yeahwotevaman I see it as a spectrum. Some places will collapse harder than others.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
When there is a surplus of food populations can expand rapidly until they are well above the sustainable limit. The surplus will feed this (still increasing) overpopulation for a time. When the surplus runs out you can no longer feed the entire population.
I suggest you read about a concept called "carrying capacity."
sdrawkcabgnipytmi 1 year ago
@sdrawkcabgnipytmi I know the concept. I agree with what you stated.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
Research EQUAL MONEY SOLUTION presented by Desteni for a solution that actually will support the equalization of ALL HUMANITY.
ANDREWGABLE1 1 year ago
@ANDREWGABLE1 I'll get back to you on this.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
"we can't have more people than food supplies"?
So you want us to take you seriously after you open with cannibalism as a solution for sustainable food supplies?
Seefood73 1 year ago
@Seefood73 Ha! Yes that exactly would expect if I actally did open with that.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
@AdamHintz huh?
Seefood73 1 year ago
So you're saying, that when the times comes and we lose oil, we'll still make it and it's just going to be this process of meme changing and methods changing. No crash?
EvolFighter 1 year ago
@EvolFighter It's a spectrum. Some places will crash harder than others. I still hold true the idea that the sooner we change the better.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
Makes sense to me AdamH!
emkplayboy6 1 year ago
Of course. D. Jensen's Premise's on sustainability and civilization come to mind.
michaelispan 1 year ago
@michaelispan Word.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
Your voice sucks. It's raspy and annoying.
On the other hand, your points, perspectives, and ideas are right on!
stinkyslinky432 1 year ago
@stinkyslinky432 Thanks.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
Soylent Green: Coming soon to a food distribution center near you !
michaelispan 1 year ago
@michaelispan It's made of people! IT'S PEOPLE!!!!!!
AdamHintz 1 year ago
@Frosti2008 Dats right yo. Thanks to Monsanto and The Rockefellers we have tripled population growth.
We can directly call the corporate powers out and thank them for our troubles. Playing the no blame game like zzz has been suggesting is a hasty slippery slope.
We know who owns us, and we know we are slaves. Trying to take responsibility individually for someone else's wrong doing isn't going to take down the source of the issue. Overpopulation is corporatism at its finest.
altamatam 1 year ago
@altamatam I see what you're saying. And I agree that corporations have a big big hand in this. But we (slaves) are also participators in this world wide suicide. If we can break our chains and live differently, our hands won't be dirtied by what the culture at large is doing. This can be done, I've already started walking down this path.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
I want biological children because I don't see anything wrong with it and I won't be made to feel guilty for having a child anymore than I would be made to feel guilty for aborting or not adopting. That doesn't mean I want 9, but I think a biological family is fulfilling.
Overpopulation isn't due to over reproduction, not directly. There is something deeper behind it, and when she gets to that point, I'll say yay Criss is mooooovin' on up, movin on up, she finally got a piece of the piiiie.
altamatam 1 year ago
@altamatam I'm curious as to how many biokids do you have. I have two. And I'm very curious as to what this deeper reason for overpopulation you're wanting Katrina to point out.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
@AdamHintz None, I'm 19. this is cupofcoffees. The deeper reason isn't the next door neighbor's fault. Just cuz he has 4 kids and waters his lawn and doesn't recycle doesn't mean it's his fault, or his 6 month old baby's. The miners and army men didn't ask for their position.
There are superpowers. Not admitting this is a scary way to lose your own power. Criss seems to think being a vegetarian is going to stop the meat industry.
I just can't deal.
altamatam 1 year ago
@altamatam I agree, we're all aculturated to live this way. For myself, when I began to understand there are ways out, I had to take them. I couldn't keep living this way. It was more than a ethical choice. It was a common sense vison of how I want thing to be. About the superpowers, they need to be deflated. The only way I can do that is by not needing them anymore. I've begun this journey we'll see where it goes.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
Adam, 6.7 billion are not sustainable, and the nuts think we are going to be able to bear 9 billion?
I just was watching a thing on WYCC WoldNet about PlumpyNut. It is a therapuetic food for starving kids. But my thought immediately was that PlumpyNut facilitates more births. Of course.
However, the more educated we are, the more women who control government, generally the lower the birthrate.
I like your point about Cuba and permaculture. Nice.
TuboEspectador 1 year ago
@TuboEspectador Yeah, we needed to solve this challenge about 200 years ago if not sooner. The education point is a good one but again, the underlying cause of overpopulation is totalitarian agriculture. I'm glad you like the Cuba comment. Thanks for adding to the discussion.
AdamHintz 1 year ago
well done
NibiruMagick2012 1 year ago
@NibiruMagick2012 Thanks. :)
AdamHintz 1 year ago