Hitler was evil!! More Jews from Holland were murdered per capita than any other Euro country! Thanks to Mieps and the others, Anne and her family and the others lived a few more months but her narrative gives us insight into what life was like for some Jews during that horrible time of geocide and tthe Shoah! It shows us there was evil but Mieps et al show us there were good people too, not enough but they were of the righteous!
Why is it that almost every video I find about Anne Frank, the comment section is always filled with such debate?? Why can't we just admire the fact that she was once here on this earth and left behind an incredible legacy??
@a13gregjockca what the hell man!!!! are you nazi? your stupid (im not jew or anything, im not religious) if you think about it, religion, continents, and countries are not real!!! we are ALL ONE. EVERYTHING the man has made its just an illusion!!!
anne DID WRITE THE DIARY!!! WE CAN ONLY BELIVE WHAT WE SEE,WE WILL ONLY KNO IF SHE DID NOT WRITE IT WHEN WE MEET HER IN HEAVEN,I THINK SHE WROTE IT,AND IF YOU DONT,LEAVE YOUR WRONG OPONION 2 URSELF
@RebelRoseHunny Sadly no- Anne Frank spoke dutch. I know she had a pen pal in Iowa and wrote in english to him/her and in the Secret Annex she was learning english, but she wrote in Dutch in her diary, i'm pretty sure they had someone to do a voice over of her, and if she spoke english there would have been an accent, i'm actually curious to what she had sounded like.
you must be joking, first of all , she is a very pretty young girl, just as she is. second, she is VERY beautiful inside, not just outside. you must be shallow, or joiking, or trying for reactions here.
you sick piece of shit, put some makeup on her? she was going through one of the most horrific times in history, and all you can think to say is "put some make up on her." You are just a pathetic example of how shallow people in our culture truly are. And besides, she isn't ugly, she was just a little girl. You disgust me personally
Treason in the 1st world war that not militarily was lost, but rather only through a cunning of German Zionisten, with the Balfour declaration of 1916.
The 1st world war actually lost for the "allies", got by the Balfour declaration a turning point when Zionisten offered the Englishmen, who didn't needed to lose the war, if these got for that in return Palestine.
The honored valued Jew Benjamin Freedman referred on that in the 60 years in the USA.
Well in her real dairy she wrote a comment to that picture
she wrote: ,,I start with the picture of Margot and end with picture of me. This is January 1942. This picture is so ugly, and i don t look like it!!!´´
So she don t like that picture at all. I would be upset if people always show a picture of me that I don t like~
The United States Holocaust Historian Society is like The Holocaust Memorial Meusum. Except we don't have a meusum. We research Victim's stories and War Criminals. Please vist my channel and comment any questions you need to know about the Holocaust
Even if it was a lie. And I strongly disagree with that. Anne Frank is but one of 1,7 million jewish children that have been killed by that nazi criminals. Probably people who insist that its a lie have never seen a KZ with their own eyes. You could claim that the whole second worldwar is a lie as well... It´s hard to believe that so much foolishness exists.
Anne alway's wanted to be considered an adult and still she is called a child. She was 15 when she died, thats a woman, thats a full grown woman who knows where she stands and what she wants. Stop calling her a child because she wasn't!
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oh vey ballpoints pens werent even around then must have been jewish magic that time traveled and gave it to her haha people who actually think that diary is real are soooooooooooooooooooo naive
The body of the diary was written in fountain pen, the "ballpoint pen" was only a few corrections written by Otta (after the war) on his daughters diary re-writes.
omg i red about this , this is not fake this is real people imagen u in her position it really sucks. the movies they made they do not use the same words,or feelings as she did in real life,the diray is safe in the museum she was an inportentperson, so brave this is a diray of a girl who actually went through the houlacost who lived for 2 yaers and then cuz the thief was cought and send to concentration camp all of them but only otto frank survied its really sad tho:'(
I read her diary in high school to demonstrate how the more you write, the more able you are to express yourself and become a better writer. Horrible what happened to her, but hundreds of thousands of people have read her story and remembered it, not just as a sad story but a lesson in expression and determination.
"This quote is a distortion of what the BKA actually said" ?¿?¿?¿?
PLEASE TELL ME WHERE IS THE DISTORTION??
WHEN THEY SAY "SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS" OF THE DIARY WAS WRITTEN IN BALLPOINT, WHERE IS THE DISTORTION??
"The BKA has clarified this point"
DID YOU READ THE QUOTATION??? ARE THEY DENYING THEIR OWN RESULTS OR JUST SAYING 'PLEASE DON'T USE IT TO PROVE THE DIARY IS A FAKE', AND 'DO NOT ASSOCIATE US WITH THIS MESS'.
SOMETHING ELSE... TELL ME THE TRUTH: WHO IS TRYING TO MISLEAD RIGHT NOW?
IZB - We've already been over this. Clearly, I believe that you are purposefully distorting/denying the facts and the historical record. I am sure that you believe the same about me. I see no sense in subjecting YouTube readers to more of this. It did, however, give me a chuckle that you - whose channel includes a favorite video celebrating Hitler (an authoritarian dictator) - would sign your message with the B. Franklin quote warning against sacrificing personal liberty for security. Hah!
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The purpose of exchange message for me is try to find out the truth, cause I don't agree to close myself in my own opinions and only read comments that enforce it. In this exchange we depend on each other to balance our point of view. Despite my nickname and videos I'm not a nazi but unruly. My friends say that I'm "providing ammunition" to nazis who "use people" like me, etc. But what is better,to live in the LIE?? So we'll be the liars instead of the nazis. Better to inquire even the holocaust
Since you have already shown that you like to selectively quote from reports in an effort to mislead, I will take this quote with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, I do not consider the New York Post to be a scholarly source. This quote is a distortion of what the BKA actually said. The BKA has clarified this point, and since you have read the 2006 press release, you know that.
Minna Becker declared in the trial that the entire diary was written by the same hand (including notes "of her mother" in ballpoint pen???¿?¿?¿?¿ :) So this hand cannot to be Anne's hand.
You want more proofs? ,look for the book "Spur eines Kindes" of Ernst Schnabel to see the Anne Frank look writing style. They say it was Anne Frank, then compare it to the Diary (elder looking style)
And remeber, we've letters dated with 4 months of difference with the Diary,and she draw each letter as a child
In 1980, Otto sued two Germans, Ernst Romer and Edgar Geiss, for distributing literature denouncing the diary as a forgery. The trial produced a study by official German handwriting experts that determined everything in the diary was written by the same person. The person that wrote the diaries had used a ballpoint pen throughout. Unfortunately for Herr Frank, the ballpoint pen was not available until 1951 whereas Anne was known to have died of typhus in 1944.
Because of the lawsuit in a German court, the German state forensic bureau, the Bundes Kriminal Amt [BKA] forensically examined the manuscript, which at that point in time consisted of three hardbound notebooks and 324 loose pages bound in a fourth notebook, with special forensic equipment.
The results of tests, performed at the BKA laboratories, showed that "significant" portions of the work, especially the fourth volume, were written with a ballpoint pen. Since ballpoint pens were not available before 1951, the BKA concluded those sections must have been added subsequently.
In the end, BKA clearly determined that none of the diary handwriting matched known examples of Anne's handwriting. The German magazine, Der Spiegel, published an account of this report alleging that (a) some editing postdated 1951; (b) an earlier expert had held that all the writing in the journal was by the same hand; and thus (c) the entire diary was a postwar fake.
This is patently false. The BKA found that the types of paper used, as well as the ink found in the diaries and loose sheets were all manufactured before 1950-51. They also found that annotations on two loose pages were written in ballpoint ink. Court appointed handwriting expert, Hans Ockelmann, identified these as coming from his mother, Dorothea Ockelmann who was on the investigation team. See pages 160-165 of the Critical Edition for more info.
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Actually?¿?¿ Year 2006: the BKA wrote a statement in order to calm a neonazi demonstration. The jews say this statement announce the diary is authentic... more lies! read the text translation from german: "The appraisal of the Kriminaltechni institute of 1980 cannot be taken for it in requirement to draw the authenticity of the diaries of the Anne franc in doubts. The Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations dissociates itself decided from all in such direction aiming speculations."
Why don't you quote the sentence that precedes this in the BKA statement to the effect that the BKA report of 1980 found that the paper and ink used in the text of the diaries themselves were available and of customary use for relevant period (ie, 1942-1944)? Anyone who wants to can find the press release via the Bundeskriminalamt Web site.
"Why don't you quote the sentence that precedes..." : I remark the relevant whereas I'm looking for the truth. Do you really think the paper and ink are relevant after the proof I showed?
1. "Significant portions" (not her little "mom notes") of the diary was written in ballpoint pen which did not available in 1945.
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My Grandfather shot Nazis in the war. He loved it! He was in the D.L.I and loved shooting nazi bastards so much it greaved him the war ended because so many more nazis needed shooting.
Your grandfather was a hateful moron, @ bunnycharl, and you have chosen to follow in his footsteps. How would he know who he is shooting, all he knew was that he was "nazi bastard", which only meant he was a German man who wanted nothing more than to make it home to his family.
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GOOGLE for:
bka "significant portions" "anne frank"
Anne Frank Diary is actually a huge business. In some counties is mandatory for children to read the Diary and they sale movies too. So there are people writing web pages and lies to stand the hoax and the business working.
Just because something is a best seller and people find it moving and history worth learning does not make it "suspect." It is mandatory in many places to learn about the French Revolution or the American Dust Bowl and the Great Depression? Does that mean some all-powerful conspiracy is behind the fact that I had to read The Grapes of Wrath as a teenager?
"French Revolution" or "Great Depression" are not a fake, at least you can prove it like science did it with the fake of Anne Frank Diary. BKA showed the truth, but later neo nazis used this studies for political purposes which is dangerous, so in this context they tried to calm down them. However I agree your american hero Benjamin Franklin about freedom of expression.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both"
I can't imagine that a conspiracy would include the faking of a teenagers diary. It is clear that the author matures in her time in hiding as does her writing, would a fake include such transitions? The diary does not include any evidence of the events at any camp, just what Anne hears and sees from the annex. If it were a fake, would it not include something more? It was a child's take on a horrible period of time. I can't see the signifigance of allowing her father to live if it was faked.
We've already been over this. The BKA found that the types of paper used, as well as the ink found in the diaries and loose sheets were all manufactured before 1950-51. They also found that annotations on two loose pages were written in ballpoint ink. Court appointed handwriting expert, Hans Ockelmann, identified these as coming from his mother, Dorothea Ockelmann who was on the investigation team. See pages 160-165 of the Critical Edition for more info.
- If Anne didn't, Who wrote the Diary? The epoch is given by (2) and we can guess who was since a writer trial Otto Frank because he didn't pay him for his work. The judge condemn O.Frank to pay 50000 dollars to him for "HIS WORK IN ANNE FRANK DIARY".
It's a shame that Nazis like ZyklonBPower are allowed to spread their lies, but I guess that's why the rest of us must counter it with truth wherever we can. Do your research. Read The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical Edition. It's pretty huge (700 pages), but it is available via Amazon.
1. Graphologic analysis said same people wrote the diary.
2. This people used a ball pen, not available when supposedly Anne wrote the Diary.
It is false assume the Diary is authentic because (1). To probe Anne wrote it you need to have more sources like letters, signs, notes, etc, that you can associate to this people by witness.
3. In this case we have letters from Anne and her style do not match to the diary.
Such claims have been long discredited. In 1989, the Netherlands Institute for War Documentation published The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical Edition. It addresses this allegation of fraud, recounts a detailed forensic examination, and prints different versions of the diary side by side. Conclusion -- Anne Frank wrote (and rewrote) it between 1942 and 1944.
The exhaustive research of the 1989 NIOD report finds that ballpoint is only found on two loose pages of annotations which are of no significance for the actual content of the diary. They were clearly placed between the other pages later. Handwriting on these two sheets differs significantly from writing in the diary. According to her son, Mrs. Ockelmann, a member of the team that carried out the graphological investigation into the diary around 1960, inserted the annotations.
Stop lying, ignorant Zionist!! I 'M GIVING YOU THE LAST STUDIES THAT CONFIRM THE TRUTH!! THE ARGUMENT ABOUT BALL PEN IS OLDER, BUT THEY MAKE A GRAPHOLOGIC ANALYSIS ON ANNE FRANK LETTERS, AND THAT'S DEFINITIVE TO CONFIRM THE TRUTH!
I dig the name calling... "Ignorant Zionist" is such an impressive phrase. But since we are discussing the authenticity of Anne Frank's diary and not ideological support for a Jewish state, I'll stick to the topic. You can state your belief in ALL CAPS as much as you want, but it will not make it any more valid. Forensic and graphologic analysis disprove your thesis and only confirms that the diary was written and revised by Anne Frank between 1942 and 1944.
The only graphologic analysis that support you is (1) "same people wrote the diary", and it don't prove Anne was who wrote it. However point (3) proved that Anne was not who wrote it. So, what a hell are you speaking about???
Cite your sources. The study from NIOD contradicts your claims. Since they had full access to Anne Frank's writings, and their study was scholarly and quite thorough, I'm inclined to believe them over someone who chooses a poison gas as his YouTube handle and derides those who disagree with him as "Zionists."
I deride people who lacks respect to other people. If you choose to debate with respect I will answer by the same manner. My nickname is a gas for killing parasites, other uses wasn't proved. In regard of the Diary, I have to say NIOD studies doesn't contradicts the fact of Anne didn't write the Diary. Only its conclusions do it. NIOD didn't analyzes letters but 2 diaries and unattached sheets. To discover the fraud, cross it to "Simon Wiesenthal Insitute" letters of Anne Frank and many others.
Do your research ZBP. NIOD used 24 documents as standards of comparison, including letters, a New Years card, a short poem, and a postcard. Several are reproduced on pages 105-119 of the Critical Edition of the diary. Again, if you have any real research to back your assertions, provide it. As you can see, your claims about the NIOD study simply are not true.
That documents are what I call unattached sheets, and still part of the Diary fraud. I 'm talking about letters SENT to her friends. If you really wanna know the truth get a photo of this letters. She wrote her letters as a child, however the Diary is written in an elder style. In the trial a jew judge sentenced Otto Frank to pay $50,000 to Meyer Levin for "HIS WORK" on the Diary. Consider that: Levin had to prove his facts in the trial because Otto Frank didn't want to pay. That is Otto Fank.
ZBP - Again, not true. Comparison letters were from 1941. A New Year Card was sent to the Kugler family in 1941. Another letter fragment was sent from the Frank family to "Berndt Elias." The poem by Anne was from an autograph album owned by Jacqueline van Maarsen. And the postcard was sent to "Leni Elias." Correspondence was even postmarked. These were not "unattached sheets." And photos of the letters are reproduced in the Critical Edition. Nice try though!
I see. You argue that the diary is a forgery. When repeated historical and legal examination in several settings by different authorities over several decades authenticates the diary, you claim that they forged the results (ie, THEY wrote the letters). Convenient.
No, I'm not saying it may be a forgery. IT WAS PROVED, SINCE THE BALLPOINT PEN DIDN'T EXISTS, and as you read below, it was used in "significant" portions of the Diary. Put it all together to get the truth.
Otto frank is a liar as was proved in the trial. I can send you photos of Anne letters compared with photos of the Diary. Since I cannot paste URLs here, you must enable your user configuration to allow people to send you messages. Actually it only accept messages from friends.
Actually, Otto Frank and the diary's authenticity have been vindicated again and again in various cases from the early forensic studies of 1959 up through court cases in the late 70s and even the early 80s.
That's because political sentences against nazi accusers. Nonetheless when the accuser was a jew, the real writer of the diary, Meyer Levin, the judge condemn Otto Frank for cheat and trick Levin and force him TO PAY.
Again, I am impressed by your attempt to mislead people. Meyer Levin (who wrote a screenplay based on the diary) sued Hackett and Goodrich (who got their screenplay produced first into a success on Broadway and film). They brought Otto Frank into the case. Frank settled out of court. This was a referendum on the screenplays and not the diary.
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The latest forger (till we know) was Meyer Levin, who wrote the third and final edition. Levin rewrote the various post-war treatments of the Anne Frank diary, but Otto decided to cut him out, refusing to honor his contract or pay him for his work. Meyer Levin sued Otto Frank for his writings, and the New York Supreme court awarded Meyer Levin $50,000, for his 'intellectual work'.
What did she do to deserve that honour of being your true hero ? She is supposed to have written a diary but many girls do this. She succumbed to a disease and this happens, too, unfortunately. Some people live a short life, especially in times of war. Please help me understand this. Is it because she was jewish ?
I have not studied A.F. carefully. It is obvious that A.F. has been allotted a quasi-religious function in place of Virgin Mary or some glorified female saint. I have not read Faurisson`s book, only an essay on rense that lists the essential findings of his research. Is it correct to say that the famous `philosophical´ parts are not from her hand but from some writer that her father had given the job of working on Anne`s diary to make the thing publishable ?
Read the Critical Edition of the diary. It has been thoroughly researched, authenticated, and makes clear that the diary, in fact, was written and revised by Anne while in hiding. Since its discovery, the diary has been published in various versions (most of which, until recently, had some material redacted).
Oh my goodness why would you say she died in vegas. Obvisouly you dont know where anything is located. She died in the concentration camp in Bergen Belsen which is located in the small town of Bergen, close to Celle and Soltau in Lower Saxony
In 1948 a story appeared about a hapless Jewish girl who was done in by the Nazis. It was written with a ballpoint pen, something that did not appear on the market until after the war. It was called—"The Diary of Anne Frank"!
What a tiresome allegation... Anne wrote her diary using various types of ink and even colored pencil but not in ballpoint. Forensic studies done by the Bundeskriminalamt and NIOD in the 1980s confirmed that ballpoint annotations found on two loose sheets mixed in with the diary were of different handwriting. These annotations were made by Mrs. Ockelmann, a member of the team that carried out graphological investigation of the Anne Frank writings around 1960. See the critical edition p. 168-170.
How this beautiful young girl coped with the most difficult of times is something we can only imagine...she gave of herself...only thinking of others...her insight is remarkable and her greatest fear was that her diary would be lost...her life would have been for nothing...thank you young sweet Anne Frank...you are not forgotten...we have read...we know...we feel your pain...your suffering...thank you...we have learned from you...you will never be forgotten...
This is a great video. Prior to going into hiding, Ann had a friend who kept a diary. She survived the holocaust and I believe she died in Vegas. This woman had some pictures of Ann prior to the war which she donated to the Ann Frank museum. It is unfortunate that few holocaust books are read by adults. It is hard for children to grasp the enormity of what they are reading.
Anne Frank was just one of millions of children that's life ended too soon because of NAZI. Her words speak of hope, not hatred.
She was denied Life and a future because of Warped Ideology.
mielkay71 10 months ago
.r.i.p Anne
nerdycoffee 11 months ago
RIP Anne
The world is much better becasue of you.
duvexy 11 months ago
Hitler was evil!! More Jews from Holland were murdered per capita than any other Euro country! Thanks to Mieps and the others, Anne and her family and the others lived a few more months but her narrative gives us insight into what life was like for some Jews during that horrible time of geocide and tthe Shoah! It shows us there was evil but Mieps et al show us there were good people too, not enough but they were of the righteous!
CyberErin 1 year ago
Why is it that almost every video I find about Anne Frank, the comment section is always filled with such debate?? Why can't we just admire the fact that she was once here on this earth and left behind an incredible legacy??
shmotownlola06 1 year ago 2
:( she died
darian2906 1 year ago
it was so sad stupid hitler its his fault he was stupid just for revenge
TheCutiePie2002 1 year ago
@TheCutiePie2002 hitler wasn't stupid, you fucking kykebag! LOL! he sure got rid of the jews pretty quick. YAY! LOL! and the fags too. ROFL!
a13gregjockca 1 year ago
@a13gregjockca he was actually pretty stupid. He wasn't exactly known for being an intellectual.
harmfulsweetz 1 year ago
@a13gregjockca what the hell man!!!! are you nazi? your stupid (im not jew or anything, im not religious) if you think about it, religion, continents, and countries are not real!!! we are ALL ONE. EVERYTHING the man has made its just an illusion!!!
garriford8 1 year ago
@garriford8 you're not a one. you're a zero. you sooner you get that, fuckface, the sooner we can get rid of you. YAY!
a14gregjockca 1 year ago
noticed that a12gregjockca is also a1gregjockca and a4gregjockca! He has more usernames than Bayer has aspirin tablets! LOL!
jrwel14 1 year ago
anne DID WRITE THE DIARY!!! WE CAN ONLY BELIVE WHAT WE SEE,WE WILL ONLY KNO IF SHE DID NOT WRITE IT WHEN WE MEET HER IN HEAVEN,I THINK SHE WROTE IT,AND IF YOU DONT,LEAVE YOUR WRONG OPONION 2 URSELF
TheNewyorkFilms 1 year ago
@TheNewyorkFilms an opinion can't be wrong. that is y it's call an opinion!
avrilrockz5 1 year ago
anne always wanted to become a famous writer,and she got her wish,but in a heartbreaking way
TheNewyorkFilms 1 year ago 3
@A1gregjockca Sir your are already BURNING
antone972 1 year ago
@antone972 never. i'm the phoenix. my burning is my rebirth. YAY!
a4gregjockca 1 year ago
ikr
1999XP 2 years ago
is that her voice
RebelRoseHunny 2 years ago
@RebelRoseHunny Sadly no- Anne Frank spoke dutch. I know she had a pen pal in Iowa and wrote in english to him/her and in the Secret Annex she was learning english, but she wrote in Dutch in her diary, i'm pretty sure they had someone to do a voice over of her, and if she spoke english there would have been an accent, i'm actually curious to what she had sounded like.
moonheart10 1 year ago
not a joke
1999XP 2 years ago
is that her talking ?!?!?!
1999XP 2 years ago
She's such an angel!
frenchblanche 2 years ago
A true poet. RIP, Anne, your writings and story shall not be forgotten.
almamatters2471 2 years ago 16
R.I.P. anne....
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should be in libraries fiction section
hellspawn1488 2 years ago
hellspawn1488:
and you should be in a circus as the first man alive without a brain. It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe...
SparrowSaltskin 2 years ago
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There are millions of Anne Franks -- they are called Palestinians.
bigsoundz 2 years ago
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hardstyler1k 2 years ago
wtf ppl hav respect 4 da dead girl
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Personally i think that anne is ugly!! i have respect 4 her but at least they could have put on her some makeup or something!!!
bubbleking3000 2 years ago
you must be joking, first of all , she is a very pretty young girl, just as she is. second, she is VERY beautiful inside, not just outside. you must be shallow, or joiking, or trying for reactions here.
deanaugust 2 years ago 3
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ur ugly u dumb bitch,
iloveoreos15 2 years ago
you sick piece of shit, put some makeup on her? she was going through one of the most horrific times in history, and all you can think to say is "put some make up on her." You are just a pathetic example of how shallow people in our culture truly are. And besides, she isn't ugly, she was just a little girl. You disgust me personally
alyson32590 2 years ago 3
ik weet niet wat ze zegt
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Treason in the 1st world war that not militarily was lost, but rather only through a cunning of German Zionisten, with the Balfour declaration of 1916.
The 1st world war actually lost for the "allies", got by the Balfour declaration a turning point when Zionisten offered the Englishmen, who didn't needed to lose the war, if these got for that in return Palestine.
The honored valued Jew Benjamin Freedman referred on that in the 60 years in the USA.
Thank you Mr. Benjamin Freedman.
Slimologic 3 years ago
at 7.40 its so mean that people show that picture always she hates that picture so much
SanaOsniva 3 years ago
what do you mean
happyCINDY77 2 years ago
Well in her real dairy she wrote a comment to that picture
she wrote: ,,I start with the picture of Margot and end with picture of me. This is January 1942. This picture is so ugly, and i don t look like it!!!´´
So she don t like that picture at all. I would be upset if people always show a picture of me that I don t like~
Sorry for my bad english ~
SanaOsniva 2 years ago
It still amaze me that a 15 year old can write like she been doing it for thirty yrs. She would have been one of the greatest aurthers.
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that is because a 15 year old did not write it
hellspawn1488 2 years ago
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Give me one scientific reason that Anne Frank did not write her diary.
RobsiejB 1 year ago
@RobsiejB there's no proof of it.
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@RobsiejB
cuz she was retarded and incapable of writing
ChixRChattel 1 year ago
The United States Holocaust Historian Society is like The Holocaust Memorial Meusum. Except we don't have a meusum. We research Victim's stories and War Criminals. Please vist my channel and comment any questions you need to know about the Holocaust
Cam6697 3 years ago 3
I did not know this. Please tell me more.
robinhood48 3 years ago
Even if it was a lie. And I strongly disagree with that. Anne Frank is but one of 1,7 million jewish children that have been killed by that nazi criminals. Probably people who insist that its a lie have never seen a KZ with their own eyes. You could claim that the whole second worldwar is a lie as well... It´s hard to believe that so much foolishness exists.
Angeltears84 3 years ago
she died of typhus and I dont think the nazis invented that
hellspawn1488 2 years ago
Good comment !!
Elisa3Estrellas 2 years ago
she would have NEVER gotten typhus without being in those horrible conditions that the nazi's created.
Ignorance.
ssjj92 2 years ago 5
well.... the nazis were purposely GIVING people typhus.... soooo... they didn't invent it but they GAVE it to her on purpose!!! with no cure!!!!
mandalicious 2 years ago
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Anne Frank shitstory is a big overblown lie
mellonkaka 3 years ago
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shut up this is real stuff she went into hideing and if u dont belive us thats ur d**n problem u r a b***h
crazyotero 3 years ago
what would be the point in making it up?
it is clearly real.
people who try to deny atrocities such as the holocaust are denying it because they know that it was wrong.
jess0687x 3 years ago 5
Anne alway's wanted to be considered an adult and still she is called a child. She was 15 when she died, thats a woman, thats a full grown woman who knows where she stands and what she wants. Stop calling her a child because she wasn't!
Ealasaid17 3 years ago 5
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oh vey ballpoints pens werent even around then must have been jewish magic that time traveled and gave it to her haha people who actually think that diary is real are soooooooooooooooooooo naive
barleyz3 3 years ago
The body of the diary was written in fountain pen, the "ballpoint pen" was only a few corrections written by Otta (after the war) on his daughters diary re-writes.
Ealasaid17 3 years ago
omg i red about this , this is not fake this is real people imagen u in her position it really sucks. the movies they made they do not use the same words,or feelings as she did in real life,the diray is safe in the museum she was an inportentperson, so brave this is a diray of a girl who actually went through the houlacost who lived for 2 yaers and then cuz the thief was cought and send to concentration camp all of them but only otto frank survied its really sad tho:'(
qtx4 3 years ago
I read her diary in high school to demonstrate how the more you write, the more able you are to express yourself and become a better writer. Horrible what happened to her, but hundreds of thousands of people have read her story and remembered it, not just as a sad story but a lesson in expression and determination.
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So young and so wise,how terrible her life was so cruely taken.
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"This quote is a distortion of what the BKA actually said" ?¿?¿?¿?
PLEASE TELL ME WHERE IS THE DISTORTION??
WHEN THEY SAY "SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS" OF THE DIARY WAS WRITTEN IN BALLPOINT, WHERE IS THE DISTORTION??
"The BKA has clarified this point"
DID YOU READ THE QUOTATION??? ARE THEY DENYING THEIR OWN RESULTS OR JUST SAYING 'PLEASE DON'T USE IT TO PROVE THE DIARY IS A FAKE', AND 'DO NOT ASSOCIATE US WITH THIS MESS'.
SOMETHING ELSE... TELL ME THE TRUTH: WHO IS TRYING TO MISLEAD RIGHT NOW?
InfalibleZyklonB 3 years ago
IZB - We've already been over this. Clearly, I believe that you are purposefully distorting/denying the facts and the historical record. I am sure that you believe the same about me. I see no sense in subjecting YouTube readers to more of this. It did, however, give me a chuckle that you - whose channel includes a favorite video celebrating Hitler (an authoritarian dictator) - would sign your message with the B. Franklin quote warning against sacrificing personal liberty for security. Hah!
krutzfeld 3 years ago 3
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The purpose of exchange message for me is try to find out the truth, cause I don't agree to close myself in my own opinions and only read comments that enforce it. In this exchange we depend on each other to balance our point of view. Despite my nickname and videos I'm not a nazi but unruly. My friends say that I'm "providing ammunition" to nazis who "use people" like me, etc. But what is better,to live in the LIE?? So we'll be the liars instead of the nazis. Better to inquire even the holocaust
InfalibleZyklonB 3 years ago
Since you have already shown that you like to selectively quote from reports in an effort to mislead, I will take this quote with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, I do not consider the New York Post to be a scholarly source. This quote is a distortion of what the BKA actually said. The BKA has clarified this point, and since you have read the 2006 press release, you know that.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
Minna Becker declared in the trial that the entire diary was written by the same hand (including notes "of her mother" in ballpoint pen???¿?¿?¿?¿ :) So this hand cannot to be Anne's hand.
You want more proofs? ,look for the book "Spur eines Kindes" of Ernst Schnabel to see the Anne Frank look writing style. They say it was Anne Frank, then compare it to the Diary (elder looking style)
And remeber, we've letters dated with 4 months of difference with the Diary,and she draw each letter as a child
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
In 1980, Otto sued two Germans, Ernst Romer and Edgar Geiss, for distributing literature denouncing the diary as a forgery. The trial produced a study by official German handwriting experts that determined everything in the diary was written by the same person. The person that wrote the diaries had used a ballpoint pen throughout. Unfortunately for Herr Frank, the ballpoint pen was not available until 1951 whereas Anne was known to have died of typhus in 1944.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
Because of the lawsuit in a German court, the German state forensic bureau, the Bundes Kriminal Amt [BKA] forensically examined the manuscript, which at that point in time consisted of three hardbound notebooks and 324 loose pages bound in a fourth notebook, with special forensic equipment.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
The results of tests, performed at the BKA laboratories, showed that "significant" portions of the work, especially the fourth volume, were written with a ballpoint pen. Since ballpoint pens were not available before 1951, the BKA concluded those sections must have been added subsequently.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
In the end, BKA clearly determined that none of the diary handwriting matched known examples of Anne's handwriting. The German magazine, Der Spiegel, published an account of this report alleging that (a) some editing postdated 1951; (b) an earlier expert had held that all the writing in the journal was by the same hand; and thus (c) the entire diary was a postwar fake.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
This is patently false. The BKA found that the types of paper used, as well as the ink found in the diaries and loose sheets were all manufactured before 1950-51. They also found that annotations on two loose pages were written in ballpoint ink. Court appointed handwriting expert, Hans Ockelmann, identified these as coming from his mother, Dorothea Ockelmann who was on the investigation team. See pages 160-165 of the Critical Edition for more info.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
krutzfeld : "This is patently false. "
Perhaps you're appointing to a later fake version of the diary. According BKA, the diary is patently false.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
Actually, in 1980, the BKA stated only that annotations were made subsequently on some of the loose pages.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
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Actually?¿?¿ Year 2006: the BKA wrote a statement in order to calm a neonazi demonstration. The jews say this statement announce the diary is authentic... more lies! read the text translation from german: "The appraisal of the Kriminaltechni institute of 1980 cannot be taken for it in requirement to draw the authenticity of the diaries of the Anne franc in doubts. The Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations dissociates itself decided from all in such direction aiming speculations."
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
Why don't you quote the sentence that precedes this in the BKA statement to the effect that the BKA report of 1980 found that the paper and ink used in the text of the diaries themselves were available and of customary use for relevant period (ie, 1942-1944)? Anyone who wants to can find the press release via the Bundeskriminalamt Web site.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
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"Why don't you quote the sentence that precedes..." : I remark the relevant whereas I'm looking for the truth. Do you really think the paper and ink are relevant after the proof I showed?
1. "Significant portions" (not her little "mom notes") of the diary was written in ballpoint pen which did not available in 1945.
2. The entire diary was written by the same hand.
Conclusion: the diary is a fake!
Have I to talk about ink or paper?
Am I trying to mislead?
InfalibleZyklonB 3 years ago
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My Grandfather shot Nazis in the war. He loved it! He was in the D.L.I and loved shooting nazi bastards so much it greaved him the war ended because so many more nazis needed shooting.
bunnycharl 3 years ago
i dont think he loved it but it was a goodd thing but no one shoul love killing someone
11joejoans11 3 years ago 6
Agreed.
joyville2 3 years ago
Your grandfather was a hateful moron, @ bunnycharl, and you have chosen to follow in his footsteps. How would he know who he is shooting, all he knew was that he was "nazi bastard", which only meant he was a German man who wanted nothing more than to make it home to his family.
kolkrabe19 3 years ago
In other words they said "we have nothing to do"
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
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GOOGLE for:
bka "significant portions" "anne frank"
Anne Frank Diary is actually a huge business. In some counties is mandatory for children to read the Diary and they sale movies too. So there are people writing web pages and lies to stand the hoax and the business working.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
Just because something is a best seller and people find it moving and history worth learning does not make it "suspect." It is mandatory in many places to learn about the French Revolution or the American Dust Bowl and the Great Depression? Does that mean some all-powerful conspiracy is behind the fact that I had to read The Grapes of Wrath as a teenager?
krutzfeld 3 years ago
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"French Revolution" or "Great Depression" are not a fake, at least you can prove it like science did it with the fake of Anne Frank Diary. BKA showed the truth, but later neo nazis used this studies for political purposes which is dangerous, so in this context they tried to calm down them. However I agree your american hero Benjamin Franklin about freedom of expression.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both"
B. Franklin
InfalibleZyklonB 3 years ago
I can't imagine that a conspiracy would include the faking of a teenagers diary. It is clear that the author matures in her time in hiding as does her writing, would a fake include such transitions? The diary does not include any evidence of the events at any camp, just what Anne hears and sees from the annex. If it were a fake, would it not include something more? It was a child's take on a horrible period of time. I can't see the signifigance of allowing her father to live if it was faked.
jesuprugger 3 years ago 4
We've already been over this. The BKA found that the types of paper used, as well as the ink found in the diaries and loose sheets were all manufactured before 1950-51. They also found that annotations on two loose pages were written in ballpoint ink. Court appointed handwriting expert, Hans Ockelmann, identified these as coming from his mother, Dorothea Ockelmann who was on the investigation team. See pages 160-165 of the Critical Edition for more info.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
- If Anne didn't, Who wrote the Diary? The epoch is given by (2) and we can guess who was since a writer trial Otto Frank because he didn't pay him for his work. The judge condemn O.Frank to pay 50000 dollars to him for "HIS WORK IN ANNE FRANK DIARY".
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
It's a shame that Nazis like ZyklonBPower are allowed to spread their lies, but I guess that's why the rest of us must counter it with truth wherever we can. Do your research. Read The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical Edition. It's pretty huge (700 pages), but it is available via Amazon.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
The facts we have are:
1. Graphologic analysis said same people wrote the diary.
2. This people used a ball pen, not available when supposedly Anne wrote the Diary.
It is false assume the Diary is authentic because (1). To probe Anne wrote it you need to have more sources like letters, signs, notes, etc, that you can associate to this people by witness.
3. In this case we have letters from Anne and her style do not match to the diary.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
Such claims have been long discredited. In 1989, the Netherlands Institute for War Documentation published The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical Edition. It addresses this allegation of fraud, recounts a detailed forensic examination, and prints different versions of the diary side by side. Conclusion -- Anne Frank wrote (and rewrote) it between 1942 and 1944.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
The exhaustive research of the 1989 NIOD report finds that ballpoint is only found on two loose pages of annotations which are of no significance for the actual content of the diary. They were clearly placed between the other pages later. Handwriting on these two sheets differs significantly from writing in the diary. According to her son, Mrs. Ockelmann, a member of the team that carried out the graphological investigation into the diary around 1960, inserted the annotations.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
Stop lying, ignorant Zionist!! I 'M GIVING YOU THE LAST STUDIES THAT CONFIRM THE TRUTH!! THE ARGUMENT ABOUT BALL PEN IS OLDER, BUT THEY MAKE A GRAPHOLOGIC ANALYSIS ON ANNE FRANK LETTERS, AND THAT'S DEFINITIVE TO CONFIRM THE TRUTH!
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
I dig the name calling... "Ignorant Zionist" is such an impressive phrase. But since we are discussing the authenticity of Anne Frank's diary and not ideological support for a Jewish state, I'll stick to the topic. You can state your belief in ALL CAPS as much as you want, but it will not make it any more valid. Forensic and graphologic analysis disprove your thesis and only confirms that the diary was written and revised by Anne Frank between 1942 and 1944.
krutzfeld 3 years ago 2
The only graphologic analysis that support you is (1) "same people wrote the diary", and it don't prove Anne was who wrote it. However point (3) proved that Anne was not who wrote it. So, what a hell are you speaking about???
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
Cite your sources. The study from NIOD contradicts your claims. Since they had full access to Anne Frank's writings, and their study was scholarly and quite thorough, I'm inclined to believe them over someone who chooses a poison gas as his YouTube handle and derides those who disagree with him as "Zionists."
krutzfeld 3 years ago
I deride people who lacks respect to other people. If you choose to debate with respect I will answer by the same manner. My nickname is a gas for killing parasites, other uses wasn't proved. In regard of the Diary, I have to say NIOD studies doesn't contradicts the fact of Anne didn't write the Diary. Only its conclusions do it. NIOD didn't analyzes letters but 2 diaries and unattached sheets. To discover the fraud, cross it to "Simon Wiesenthal Insitute" letters of Anne Frank and many others.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
Do your research ZBP. NIOD used 24 documents as standards of comparison, including letters, a New Years card, a short poem, and a postcard. Several are reproduced on pages 105-119 of the Critical Edition of the diary. Again, if you have any real research to back your assertions, provide it. As you can see, your claims about the NIOD study simply are not true.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
That documents are what I call unattached sheets, and still part of the Diary fraud. I 'm talking about letters SENT to her friends. If you really wanna know the truth get a photo of this letters. She wrote her letters as a child, however the Diary is written in an elder style. In the trial a jew judge sentenced Otto Frank to pay $50,000 to Meyer Levin for "HIS WORK" on the Diary. Consider that: Levin had to prove his facts in the trial because Otto Frank didn't want to pay. That is Otto Fank.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
ZBP - Again, not true. Comparison letters were from 1941. A New Year Card was sent to the Kugler family in 1941. Another letter fragment was sent from the Frank family to "Berndt Elias." The poem by Anne was from an autograph album owned by Jacqueline van Maarsen. And the postcard was sent to "Leni Elias." Correspondence was even postmarked. These were not "unattached sheets." And photos of the letters are reproduced in the Critical Edition. Nice try though!
krutzfeld 3 years ago
This letters are not of Anne Frank but the same people who wrote the diary. I repeat the NIOD hasn't analysed Anne Frank letters.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
I see. You argue that the diary is a forgery. When repeated historical and legal examination in several settings by different authorities over several decades authenticates the diary, you claim that they forged the results (ie, THEY wrote the letters). Convenient.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
No, I'm not saying it may be a forgery. IT WAS PROVED, SINCE THE BALLPOINT PEN DIDN'T EXISTS, and as you read below, it was used in "significant" portions of the Diary. Put it all together to get the truth.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
Otto frank is a liar as was proved in the trial. I can send you photos of Anne letters compared with photos of the Diary. Since I cannot paste URLs here, you must enable your user configuration to allow people to send you messages. Actually it only accept messages from friends.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
Actually, Otto Frank and the diary's authenticity have been vindicated again and again in various cases from the early forensic studies of 1959 up through court cases in the late 70s and even the early 80s.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
That's because political sentences against nazi accusers. Nonetheless when the accuser was a jew, the real writer of the diary, Meyer Levin, the judge condemn Otto Frank for cheat and trick Levin and force him TO PAY.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
Again, I am impressed by your attempt to mislead people. Meyer Levin (who wrote a screenplay based on the diary) sued Hackett and Goodrich (who got their screenplay produced first into a success on Broadway and film). They brought Otto Frank into the case. Frank settled out of court. This was a referendum on the screenplays and not the diary.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
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The latest forger (till we know) was Meyer Levin, who wrote the third and final edition. Levin rewrote the various post-war treatments of the Anne Frank diary, but Otto decided to cut him out, refusing to honor his contract or pay him for his work. Meyer Levin sued Otto Frank for his writings, and the New York Supreme court awarded Meyer Levin $50,000, for his 'intellectual work'.
ZyklonBPower 3 years ago
anne frank is my true hero
nathotalexhotter 3 years ago 3
What did she do to deserve that honour of being your true hero ? She is supposed to have written a diary but many girls do this. She succumbed to a disease and this happens, too, unfortunately. Some people live a short life, especially in times of war. Please help me understand this. Is it because she was jewish ?
kolkrabe19 3 years ago
Thanks for this, @ realrasmckhaile.
I have not studied A.F. carefully. It is obvious that A.F. has been allotted a quasi-religious function in place of Virgin Mary or some glorified female saint. I have not read Faurisson`s book, only an essay on rense that lists the essential findings of his research. Is it correct to say that the famous `philosophical´ parts are not from her hand but from some writer that her father had given the job of working on Anne`s diary to make the thing publishable ?
kolkrabe19 3 years ago
Read the Critical Edition of the diary. It has been thoroughly researched, authenticated, and makes clear that the diary, in fact, was written and revised by Anne while in hiding. Since its discovery, the diary has been published in various versions (most of which, until recently, had some material redacted).
krutzfeld 3 years ago
Anne Frank wrote her own diary. Otto Frank her father read it took some parts out that were to (whats the word) inapropriate (I cant spell the word)
lilstar2507 3 years ago
Who wrote the Anne Frank Diary ?
kolkrabe19 3 years ago
@kolkrabe
The manuscript of Anne Frank;
Copy by Otto Frank, then by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern;
New version of the copy by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern;
New-new version of the copy by Albert Cauvern;
New-new-new version by Otto Frank;
New-new-new-new version by Otto Frank and the "Censors;
Contact edition (1947);
Lambert Schneider edition (1950), radically different from the preceding one, and even incompatible with it;
Fischer edition (1955)retouched and reworked.
realrasmckhaile 3 years ago
I really like this video
lilstar2507 3 years ago
Oh my goodness why would you say she died in vegas. Obvisouly you dont know where anything is located. She died in the concentration camp in Bergen Belsen which is located in the small town of Bergen, close to Celle and Soltau in Lower Saxony
lilstar2507 3 years ago
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In 1948 a story appeared about a hapless Jewish girl who was done in by the Nazis. It was written with a ballpoint pen, something that did not appear on the market until after the war. It was called—"The Diary of Anne Frank"!
FreeHumanNow 3 years ago
What a tiresome allegation... Anne wrote her diary using various types of ink and even colored pencil but not in ballpoint. Forensic studies done by the Bundeskriminalamt and NIOD in the 1980s confirmed that ballpoint annotations found on two loose sheets mixed in with the diary were of different handwriting. These annotations were made by Mrs. Ockelmann, a member of the team that carried out graphological investigation of the Anne Frank writings around 1960. See the critical edition p. 168-170.
krutzfeld 3 years ago
How this beautiful young girl coped with the most difficult of times is something we can only imagine...she gave of herself...only thinking of others...her insight is remarkable and her greatest fear was that her diary would be lost...her life would have been for nothing...thank you young sweet Anne Frank...you are not forgotten...we have read...we know...we feel your pain...your suffering...thank you...we have learned from you...you will never be forgotten...
soulmate991 3 years ago 12
anne did not die in vegas!
shingOOnLovKo 4 years ago 4
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MaddieLyn 4 years ago
Miep kept the diary and she's still alive, also Miep was a friend of Otto's.....hey MaddieLyn, i think i know you from IMDb, i'm thebullkids
AnNeLuVr692 4 years ago 3
This is a great video. Prior to going into hiding, Ann had a friend who kept a diary. She survived the holocaust and I believe she died in Vegas. This woman had some pictures of Ann prior to the war which she donated to the Ann Frank museum. It is unfortunate that few holocaust books are read by adults. It is hard for children to grasp the enormity of what they are reading.
yeldarb11 4 years ago 4
i can grasp it....lol!!!!
AnNeLuVr692 4 years ago
Cool video!!!
Jean2467 4 years ago