Minmax is bang on. 99% perfect and way better than £4000+. You'd have to be a real die hard moog nutter to justify the dosh. Sooner have the minimax and splash out on a Jupiter 8 or some other midi analogue poly synth. At least something that hasn't been copied so well as this has. Aurturia haven't got the jp8 emulation anywhere near as good as this.
im surr the max falls apart when you turn up the lfo into the audio range. thats why i got rid of my asb synths. software sadly sounds better than the dsp stuff these days. i still want a real arp 2600 dammit
This comparison would've been a lot better if the range of sounds compared was a lot larger-not a lot of variation in the sounds used here therefore no way to gauge how they compare on the many classic sounds left out here.
I believe that the sounds heard here are part of why they sound closer than they would on other types of sounds.
@hardcorehouse Possibly. I was kinda wishing for a wider variety of sounds as well. Especially something dealing with audio rate modulation. However, most of the sounds one would use a Mini for would tend to be leads, basses and drones which is what we pretty much see here. The response of the filter with high resonance was particularly impressive.
The Moog has more harmonics and depth I prefer the drift as well, plus its a Moog, siting down and getting to know one is an experience that cant be replaced...the Minimax sounds amazing its also polyphonic and for thousands of dollars less with more advanced features its worth every penny...If I could choose I would take the model D ...but the minimax would be a fine substitute. Great Demo!
This is a super awesome demo - very well done, thanks for putting it together! I do wish it were in HD, think u can reupload it in HD so we hear it at a higher bitrate?
Although the minimax behaves like a minimoog and makes almost identical sounds, it lacks that extra dimension that makes the minimoog so valuable - and that mainly comes from the analog oscs/vca/filters. I think this is as close to the real thing as you can get in digital.
The Minimax ASB sounds a tad clearer with the filter opened 100% and is sonically a bit tighter than the real deal. But it is pretty much spot on. My bandmate owns one that he has used for the past 5+ years now that replaced multiple unreliable Moog MG-1s. Creamware/Sonic Core really did an amazing job on this one, and the Pro-12 as well. For live purposes, this is definitely the way to go, as bringing around a real Mini would be insane.
I don`t need a Model D anymore.... In the 90s I owned different moogs... I am a big Moog Fan.But once I need money and had to sell them.After this I bought many other synths but everytime I had that moog sound in my ears that I want this sound back..So I had to get a Voyager or a D Model.Then I found the Minimax... To me I need no more discussions about the Model D sounds better.Of course it has a bit more warm sounding...But hey the ASB is Polyphonic
Why is the MiniMoog only on the right channel while the MiniMax is on both? That really skews the results bigtime!
I had to turn off my left monitor to hear them both a second time. The first time I thought the Minimax sounded better. But after hearing both on the right channel only, the MiniMoog sounded richer.
This comparison is useless without showing any bit of the VCF or VCA! What a heck, even minimoog and shitty microkorg can sound similar without any filter or amp applied to the sound. The basic sound may sound similar, but just turn envelope on and let's see then!!!
The Model D does sound best, but the MiniMax gets darned close.
Did you see the comparison test Vintage, Voyager or virtual-a comparison test at Moog Music Forum? Afaik they did a lot more knobtweaking then in this video.
Great video. I own a Mini Moog Model D but I have to say that Minimax sounds great!
I'm sure there are people who can tell the difference between the two (and maybe I could in person instead of through tmy computer's speakers) but they don't sound any different than any two randomly picked MiniMoogs would from each other.
Just ordered a Plugiator ASX board for my CME UF50. I used to own a mini with a 3xxx serial, it was great. The minimax is just as compitent, no one is going to know the difference in a mix or probably out on it's own.
One fault the Minimax has (and all other MIDI or memory based gear, even analogue, my Juno 60 had it too); potentiometer stepping around 3:00 you can hear the filter stepping. Listen closely.
not fair: go on lower octave instead of medium range emersonia trick. why people should spend 10 time the money for same stuff? however the pretty elegant IKEA box is worth al the video
Yes I own a minimax(in fact I own two!) and have to agree they sound really great-expensive or not.
Lets also be honest: It would be very nice to have a original minimoog mod D.
But the minimax have almost nailed the sound of the minimoog and if I was a owner of a mod D-I would not like to see a product like the minimax costing a fraction of the price with that close sound, interface, stability, midi, presets, polyphony and built in effects.
THANK YOU. **THIS** is the kind of synth video I come to the internets to find. making a demo vid, even a bad one, is not easy - - but people like yourself who 1) get down to the point right away and 2) HAVE a point in the first place (besides "just bought this, I have no idea how to use it or play keyboard, let me waste your time with arrogant banter and horrid webcam-mic-micing-soundblaster-speakers-audio").. ..well, people like you make my day. AND you put the HQ on Vimeo!! tears of joy!!!
of course the minimoog has a better filter swee.. but i personally think that the minimax is a better synth, is more usefull with polyphony and memory... you could just by a moogerfooger lowpass filter and use it a the VCF... (i suppose)
There is a definite volume discrepancy between the two sides. This makes an honest judgement harder, but I'd say that the left sounds warmer (<-hate that word, can't believe I used it) It would be even better if both clips were the Moog, as you sit back and laugh at the comments. :-)
the minimoog filter sweep wins, hands down. Otherwise there were definitely some good osc models in the minimax, earlier they were spot on w/ the minimoog.
call this blasphemy, but I actually like the sound of the minimax more in alot of places. Call me crazy, this is coming from a guy who has used analog synths as well.
@ElasticMinds Yeah, I found myself thinking the same thing in spots... And I've got a lot of new Moog and DSI stuff as well as some old classics by Korg and Roland.
Great demo, that minimax sounds awesome. I'm looking into buying myself.
That minimoog lookalike is so incredibly sweet looking, I would love to see it finished. Care to tell what materials you use and all, or is this your little well-kept secret? ;)
Furthermore, I'd really like to know whether the minimax responds to aftertouch.
Great video Guido, it sounds very nice against the minimoog. I used to own a mini serial no 37xx with the un-notched wheels, did all the cabinet and sold it to fund my Hammond 14 years ago. I would like one back, but I'd probably want the 'new' Old School Mini, people are paying too much for a Model D these days IMO.
You mean the Prodissey? No, never tried, but if I happen to get one I can make a similar comparison because I also own an original ARP Odyssey Mark III :)
You did a very good job with the comparing. This is perhaps the only video on YT showing the similar sound of the two synths.
To me they sounds the same, but beeing in the same room as the loadspeakers would probably give a different hearing? You have both synths and whats your opinion?
My opinion is that the Minimax is 90% similar to the Minimoog. It shows its digital nature only under two aspects: 1) tuning, it's too perfect for being a wannabe-analog synth; 2) knob movement response. Some of the knobs, particularly the 2 tuning knobs for osc 2 and 3, sometimes create little steps in the sound. Anyway, the body of the oscillators and the filter is 90% there, they almost nailed the real thing.
There will always be a difference between the original moog and a clone, but yes they are close. I think the stepping is fixed with the latest version.
Minmax is bang on. 99% perfect and way better than £4000+. You'd have to be a real die hard moog nutter to justify the dosh. Sooner have the minimax and splash out on a Jupiter 8 or some other midi analogue poly synth. At least something that hasn't been copied so well as this has. Aurturia haven't got the jp8 emulation anywhere near as good as this.
johnyboytown 6 months ago
How much does this cost?
MrEvanbooker 8 months ago
dang, pretty close. the minimax seems to be lacking the most with the filter though.. you can really hear the steps
flufftronix 11 months ago
Thank you for making this video. I'm picking up a Minimax tomorrow.. now I'm TWICE as excited!!
peterkadar 1 year ago
im surr the max falls apart when you turn up the lfo into the audio range. thats why i got rid of my asb synths. software sadly sounds better than the dsp stuff these days. i still want a real arp 2600 dammit
ElasticMinds 1 year ago
Dude, get real. You have the mini on one side only and the max on both sides and louder. WTF.
TheSongsparrow 1 year ago
This comparison would've been a lot better if the range of sounds compared was a lot larger-not a lot of variation in the sounds used here therefore no way to gauge how they compare on the many classic sounds left out here.
I believe that the sounds heard here are part of why they sound closer than they would on other types of sounds.
hardcorehouse 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse Possibly. I was kinda wishing for a wider variety of sounds as well. Especially something dealing with audio rate modulation. However, most of the sounds one would use a Mini for would tend to be leads, basses and drones which is what we pretty much see here. The response of the filter with high resonance was particularly impressive.
peterkadar 1 year ago
Lmao, one of them needs to be tuned, and I'll bet anything it's that pesky Minimoog.
metabog 1 year ago
do you need a computer to get the minimax to work?
pomfrit93 1 year ago
The Moog has more harmonics and depth I prefer the drift as well, plus its a Moog, siting down and getting to know one is an experience that cant be replaced...the Minimax sounds amazing its also polyphonic and for thousands of dollars less with more advanced features its worth every penny...If I could choose I would take the model D ...but the minimax would be a fine substitute. Great Demo!
MOSacid 1 year ago 2
I love the case you made for that ASB :D
Koelvak 1 year ago
Am I the only one who got the impression that on of them is a little out of tune?
tecladistalemao 1 year ago
@tecladistalemao No !! ^_^
javiceres 1 year ago
Thanks for posting. Minimax ASB looks really cool in this "box".
kellyssa3 1 year ago
great! this is a comparison that I wanted to hear! thanx!
inbetweenmovements 1 year ago
This is a super awesome demo - very well done, thanks for putting it together! I do wish it were in HD, think u can reupload it in HD so we hear it at a higher bitrate?
Although the minimax behaves like a minimoog and makes almost identical sounds, it lacks that extra dimension that makes the minimoog so valuable - and that mainly comes from the analog oscs/vca/filters. I think this is as close to the real thing as you can get in digital.
unkellsam 1 year ago
The Minimax ASB sounds a tad clearer with the filter opened 100% and is sonically a bit tighter than the real deal. But it is pretty much spot on. My bandmate owns one that he has used for the past 5+ years now that replaced multiple unreliable Moog MG-1s. Creamware/Sonic Core really did an amazing job on this one, and the Pro-12 as well. For live purposes, this is definitely the way to go, as bringing around a real Mini would be insane.
thedefog 1 year ago
I don`t need a Model D anymore.... In the 90s I owned different moogs... I am a big Moog Fan.But once I need money and had to sell them.After this I bought many other synths but everytime I had that moog sound in my ears that I want this sound back..So I had to get a Voyager or a D Model.Then I found the Minimax... To me I need no more discussions about the Model D sounds better.Of course it has a bit more warm sounding...But hey the ASB is Polyphonic
Chipsatz 1 year ago
Why is the MiniMoog only on the right channel while the MiniMax is on both? That really skews the results bigtime!
I had to turn off my left monitor to hear them both a second time. The first time I thought the Minimax sounded better. But after hearing both on the right channel only, the MiniMoog sounded richer.
zsdgvjknxd 2 years ago
This comparison is useless without showing any bit of the VCF or VCA! What a heck, even minimoog and shitty microkorg can sound similar without any filter or amp applied to the sound. The basic sound may sound similar, but just turn envelope on and let's see then!!!
ptpt88 2 years ago 2
The Model D does sound best, but the MiniMax gets darned close.
Did you see the comparison test Vintage, Voyager or virtual-a comparison test at Moog Music Forum? Afaik they did a lot more knobtweaking then in this video.
fystasjoppheng 2 years ago
Great video. I own a Mini Moog Model D but I have to say that Minimax sounds great!
I'm sure there are people who can tell the difference between the two (and maybe I could in person instead of through tmy computer's speakers) but they don't sound any different than any two randomly picked MiniMoogs would from each other.
cxpage 2 years ago 4
Just ordered a Plugiator ASX board for my CME UF50. I used to own a mini with a 3xxx serial, it was great. The minimax is just as compitent, no one is going to know the difference in a mix or probably out on it's own.
clavdig 2 years ago
is the minimax asb the same as the minimax in scope?
naturecollision 2 years ago
One fault the Minimax has (and all other MIDI or memory based gear, even analogue, my Juno 60 had it too); potentiometer stepping around 3:00 you can hear the filter stepping. Listen closely.
nutelina 2 years ago
not fair: go on lower octave instead of medium range emersonia trick. why people should spend 10 time the money for same stuff? however the pretty elegant IKEA box is worth al the video
drprocton 2 years ago
tune them!!! but good demo anyway : )
madichelp0 2 years ago 2
1/ This is the best demo vid i've ever seen. THANKS.
2/ Let's be honest : this minimax sounds really great for its price.
RaychSeldon33 2 years ago
Yes I own a minimax(in fact I own two!) and have to agree they sound really great-expensive or not.
Lets also be honest: It would be very nice to have a original minimoog mod D.
But the minimax have almost nailed the sound of the minimoog and if I was a owner of a mod D-I would not like to see a product like the minimax costing a fraction of the price with that close sound, interface, stability, midi, presets, polyphony and built in effects.
fystasjoppheng 2 years ago 3
He he he. I own a minimax too and i completely agree with you. The "for its price" thing was just being a little fair play... :D
RaychSeldon33 2 years ago
THANK YOU. **THIS** is the kind of synth video I come to the internets to find. making a demo vid, even a bad one, is not easy - - but people like yourself who 1) get down to the point right away and 2) HAVE a point in the first place (besides "just bought this, I have no idea how to use it or play keyboard, let me waste your time with arrogant banter and horrid webcam-mic-micing-soundblaster-speakers-audio").. ..well, people like you make my day. AND you put the HQ on Vimeo!! tears of joy!!!
medialabmonkey 2 years ago
Those are scary close.
dreamomatic 2 years ago 2
cool demo!
but it is a bit irritating that they are not in the same tune.
panulli4 2 years ago
The Minimax sounds brighter here.
Subtronik 2 years ago 3
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felipescalador 2 years ago 2
of course the minimoog has a better filter swee.. but i personally think that the minimax is a better synth, is more usefull with polyphony and memory... you could just by a moogerfooger lowpass filter and use it a the VCF... (i suppose)
mynmyself 2 years ago
polyphony is the key.....completely diff monster with that
kotep777 2 years ago
sounds like one of them is out of tune.. but anyways, i wonder how this would compare to the voyager!
mindphlux 2 years ago
There is a definite volume discrepancy between the two sides. This makes an honest judgement harder, but I'd say that the left sounds warmer (<-hate that word, can't believe I used it) It would be even better if both clips were the Moog, as you sit back and laugh at the comments. :-)
phant0mD 2 years ago 3
the minimoog filter sweep wins, hands down. Otherwise there were definitely some good osc models in the minimax, earlier they were spot on w/ the minimoog.
CTRLSHFT 2 years ago 2
OK my bad ....minimoog was recorded left ...Listening on mono
Sorry
WARDISWARD 2 years ago
yep and halfway the test the minimoog doesn't make any sound anymore
WARDISWARD 2 years ago
Minimoog is more FAT... allways!!!!
attilagregory 2 years ago
Thank you!!!!!!
terrestial63 3 years ago
Greatly!
Beautiful sound comparison.
We hear the most important difference in the end, the filter/ resonance!
Beautiful ASB housing.
futuredraht 3 years ago
call this blasphemy, but I actually like the sound of the minimax more in alot of places. Call me crazy, this is coming from a guy who has used analog synths as well.
ElasticMinds 3 years ago 11
@ElasticMinds Ok, I will call you crazy. You're crazy. This Demo sucks.
TheSongsparrow 1 year ago
@ElasticMinds Yeah, I found myself thinking the same thing in spots... And I've got a lot of new Moog and DSI stuff as well as some old classics by Korg and Roland.
peterkadar 1 year ago
nice video. i really appreciate when ppl do good comparisons. sounds like the minimoog could use a bit of a pitch adjustment though. thanks!
hondatek614 3 years ago
Great demo, that minimax sounds awesome. I'm looking into buying myself.
That minimoog lookalike is so incredibly sweet looking, I would love to see it finished. Care to tell what materials you use and all, or is this your little well-kept secret? ;)
Furthermore, I'd really like to know whether the minimax responds to aftertouch.
Nillerbabsen 3 years ago
Ho visto anche l'album su Picasa. E' davvero strepitoso!!! =D Sei un genio!
GreggTedde 3 years ago
great conparison !!! real close
dontaewinslow 3 years ago
man do these ever sound close. filtering sounds a lil different (slight edge to the moog on that) but over all very close.
flux302 3 years ago
Hello, I've posted this video on switchedonsynthesizer.blogspot . com
Thalassa77 3 years ago
awesome video. thanks
lqbe 3 years ago
bella zio killer...
Mike24july 3 years ago
Great video Guido, it sounds very nice against the minimoog. I used to own a mini serial no 37xx with the un-notched wheels, did all the cabinet and sold it to fund my Hammond 14 years ago. I would like one back, but I'd probably want the 'new' Old School Mini, people are paying too much for a Model D these days IMO.
clavdig 3 years ago
great video (and great sound by both the units: they sound identical here!!)
bosone666 3 years ago
the Filter adjustment between 158 and 234 are different......there seems to be a bump at the cutoff on minimax......
slammah2012 3 years ago
Amazing!
Thanks very much indeed for posting, very, very interesting indeed, I'd no idea how close they'd got..
Have you ever played the Creamware Odyssey?
Someone else attached a keyboard in a housing like you and it also looks really cool...
Best regards and well done
mike
GNeuman 3 years ago
You mean the Prodissey? No, never tried, but if I happen to get one I can make a similar comparison because I also own an original ARP Odyssey Mark III :)
zioguido 3 years ago 4
Hi Guido,
Yes, I meant the Creamware Prodyssey........
Wow, good for you also owning an original Arp Odyssey!! Doff Chapeau!!
Cheers
GNeuman 3 years ago
Thanks for the video response!
You did a very good job with the comparing. This is perhaps the only video on YT showing the similar sound of the two synths.
To me they sounds the same, but beeing in the same room as the loadspeakers would probably give a different hearing? You have both synths and whats your opinion?
fystasjoppheng 3 years ago
My opinion is that the Minimax is 90% similar to the Minimoog. It shows its digital nature only under two aspects: 1) tuning, it's too perfect for being a wannabe-analog synth; 2) knob movement response. Some of the knobs, particularly the 2 tuning knobs for osc 2 and 3, sometimes create little steps in the sound. Anyway, the body of the oscillators and the filter is 90% there, they almost nailed the real thing.
zioguido 3 years ago
There will always be a difference between the original moog and a clone, but yes they are close. I think the stepping is fixed with the latest version.
fystasjoppheng 3 years ago
No no, mille ne pensa e millemila ne fa!
Grande!
ukii77 3 years ago
grande Zio!
una ne fai e mille ne pensi.....
marcoballa 3 years ago