You should try connecting 2 of them to the sam rod-set the gates on opposite sides-maby the power provided by the second disc could get the first past the 'gate' and vice-versa
why don't you use 4 engines like this on a single rod, shifted in angle by 90* each... this way, when one of the wheels passes by the static magnet, there will be 3 other wheels that don't, and this should compensate for that gate... I don't have the means to test this, but the principle is the same as in a 4 cilinder engine: while a piston tends to halt, the other 3 pistons push it further... I'd like you to do this and to post a video if I was right ;)
Your a legend man i thought of something somewhat simler using magnets and also a weight to take advantage of gravity but seeing this has just sent my mind in a different direction keep it up.
instead of dipping the stator magnet why not use an egg shaped or tear drop shaped turning object instead of a circle, ie the wheel. then you wouldnt have to dip the stator magnet to get it going, and keep it going.
Hi, I saw tour movie yesterday, and I can say that I flip out, completly.. almost couldnt sleep thinking on this.. it is amazing .. and I coul not stop thinking how to solve the problems youve got.. so I only say this.. try 3 major static magnets arround the weal fixed and equaly distant (as in the corner of a triangle) so that when one is on the gate the other's two are pooling .. try to make the hole system the most equaly wheighted possible for stabilization. It could work...
im breaking ground with a different kinda magnet motor BTW try making v gates so that theres 2 gates each with the gate at the end of the other v so that it forms a continuos cycle
I was wondering, for your first trial, if you did not move the stator does the wheel continiously oscillate between attraction and repultion or does movement eventually stop altogether?
Also, excellent video. Thanks for putting it on the web.
Wow that was cool. I noticed that you had to dip and pull away the magnet to keep it going. could you mount that magnet on a lever and instal a ridge on the wheel, so that the magnet automatically is pushed away at the right spot? Well, good luck, keep up the good work
If you looking for magnets check out magnets4less. com and emovendo. net . I am also interested in your design Dust'. Just wondering if you are working on a newer design? History would tell us your not going to make it work but thats no reason not to try.
you guys are not really thinking this is MAKING energy right? The spinning movement is caused by the magnet the guy is holding.. when he moves it far, to make it cross the point, he is giving the wheel the energy to spin.... no miracles guys.. it's just physics... but good work! I guess it's a nice way to transfer energy.
Very Interesting, DustAid. Rather than huge differences in magnet height -- which may lead to other problems...or not -- what are your thoughts on a simple cam on the main power shaft with linkage to a mounted stator magnet so that it automatically raises it at the gate location? Or am i making things unnecessarily complicated.
If you stuck the wheel in the center of a large round piece of styrofoam, you might be able to save time drilling holes. You might be able to push the magnets into the stirophome. Large round Styrofoam can be found at any craft store. Normally used in flower arrangements. Also instead of using one long Calloway V Gate, repeat three smaller ones. After you get it working, surround it with coiled wire to generate a current.
a counter weight on the stator would make it work easier too... I'm thinking... but hey perhaps you've already tried these things..???? Way cool idea though... I dig it deep
I realy like your project. I would like to know your layout, diameter, angle of the spiral the depth of the magnets, how many magnets, spacing between magnets and any athe I might need.
I would like to coment on how you might make it move acay. use a cam on the wheel so that it will push it away as it comes around, I would place it at ste side of the wheel so that the weight isn't as great, or even below center to make it even lighter. Thanks, Frank
The use of flywheel type weights could help by increaseing the centrifical force. Of corse there would be a fine point where the strength of the magnets would not be able to turn the heavier weight
In theory, almost perpetual motion could be achieved by gluing two disks to the sides of the skate wheel and supending the magnet from string. The disks would be in a fassion of an escentric and would kick the magnet away from the wheel when it reached the stopping point.
I'm working on a similar project myself, but a different desing. Looks much more clever than my design, but since this is an open-source project, I hope you won't mind me trying it out. If you want it 5 inches away, why not use a snail-shell type spiral with a larger diameter to accomplish that... it would probably work out well. Thanks for the ideas, and good luck!!
Great concept, continue developing your system, I believe you might be on to something. Have you ever thought about mechanically synchronizing the rotational movement of your magnetic wheel with an inverted camshaft system? In this sense you can achieve greater rotational speed without having the wheel lock up, plus you can automate the functional relationship between the magnetic wheel and the magnet you use to generate movement.
how about if you use 2 scateboard wheels and both they have v-gate and the other wheel is setted differently then the another wheel pushes the another to pass the gate
i believe you can actually fix the hand work, make a sort of mechanism that retracts the big magnet back at the v gate, then pushes it back forward, if you look at basic mechanics i believe you might be in for a permanent engine!
what happens if you put the stator on a swing arm, so that the gate pushes the magnet away from it, and when it passes the magnes pull it back. would have to put limiters on it so that the magnet doesnt go to far away or to close. ideas?
dude your efforts are good but when you stop moving the magnet and see how many rotations it can do (4 rotations) i see your still lifting the bar magnet up and down a bit.
Good job. Next plant your magnets slanted and not straight in as you have done. Have two wheels that are joined but are umbalanced so that forward thrust by itself. Parendev wheel used nylon. Too fast and everything flies out.
So the real question is if you can cam the static magnet with the energy in the motion of the flywheel. This can be tested with pure mechanical interface or using a magnetic shield/blind. Using the concepts of the steam engine valving should get you close to the geometry require to achieve this goal.
If you have a gain in energy over and above what is require for the retraction vehicle, you've got a great simple proof of concept model for this technology.
How about using 2 or 3 rotors (wheels)in line with deferent axonic positions, so when one hits the gate the combined force of the others (that are away from their own gate), makes it start again and the next and the next...?
hmm, even if this is possible how will it have the strenght to move something heavy, i mean it would have to be like a giant wheel, going down to a tiny wheel to compress strenght to make something heavyer move, if its gona make electric power its gona need strenght.
why dont you set up an apparatus attatched to the wheel, that moves the magenet backwards whenever you approach the gate; so that you won't have to hold the magnet and it would go on by itself
Why not put a cam on the axle, with a spring return to move the magnet over the gate? maybe use a repelling magnet to move the magnet out so as not to loose any power through friction?
It is going to be very difficult to figure out how to get by the gate. A cam on the wheel with a pull magnet on a track will not work, to much friction. I agree that the wheel might have to have more mass. Maybe momentum will be able to push it through.
I don't understand why you don't put a guide rail system ot a guide-cam on the single actuarial magnet.
You know, like the crankshaft of a car enging or the cam rod does for lifting the valves?
Wouldn't that work?
Tesselator 4 years ago 338
Good on you, guy!! Keep it up!!
oliverburke 4 years ago 73
Set a mechanism up on the V Gate motor and you can have it run itself. You could very well have a nice table piece if you get it running on its own.
anvisionor 4 years ago
You should try connecting 2 of them to the sam rod-set the gates on opposite sides-maby the power provided by the second disc could get the first past the 'gate' and vice-versa
aparodox2003 4 years ago 35
just a thought:
why don't you use 4 engines like this on a single rod, shifted in angle by 90* each... this way, when one of the wheels passes by the static magnet, there will be 3 other wheels that don't, and this should compensate for that gate... I don't have the means to test this, but the principle is the same as in a 4 cilinder engine: while a piston tends to halt, the other 3 pistons push it further... I'd like you to do this and to post a video if I was right ;)
erosnicolau 4 years ago 182
Your a legend man i thought of something somewhat simler using magnets and also a weight to take advantage of gravity but seeing this has just sent my mind in a different direction keep it up.
69Bushwacker666 4 years ago 17
Have you tried adding more stator magnets (say, 5-6)?
BlainRinehart 4 years ago 19
instead of dipping the stator magnet why not use an egg shaped or tear drop shaped turning object instead of a circle, ie the wheel. then you wouldnt have to dip the stator magnet to get it going, and keep it going.
osmaningozyaslari 4 years ago 2
What if you put the stator magnet on a cam so the dipping would be caused by the rotation? It should go for a very long time, if not forever.
arkledebark 4 years ago
Amazing...8/10
Gunskihalo 4 years ago
Hi, I saw tour movie yesterday, and I can say that I flip out, completly.. almost couldnt sleep thinking on this.. it is amazing .. and I coul not stop thinking how to solve the problems youve got.. so I only say this.. try 3 major static magnets arround the weal fixed and equaly distant (as in the corner of a triangle) so that when one is on the gate the other's two are pooling .. try to make the hole system the most equaly wheighted possible for stabilization. It could work...
Tecbyte 4 years ago 3
im breaking ground with a different kinda magnet motor BTW try making v gates so that theres 2 gates each with the gate at the end of the other v so that it forms a continuos cycle
wildhart7 4 years ago
I was wondering, for your first trial, if you did not move the stator does the wheel continiously oscillate between attraction and repultion or does movement eventually stop altogether?
Also, excellent video. Thanks for putting it on the web.
whiterabbott 4 years ago
Wow that was cool. I noticed that you had to dip and pull away the magnet to keep it going. could you mount that magnet on a lever and instal a ridge on the wheel, so that the magnet automatically is pushed away at the right spot? Well, good luck, keep up the good work
darwinsgoatee 4 years ago 4
Can you use some sort of cam to bump the big magnet automatically instead of by hand? Or would that take too much energy out of the system?
rulestein 4 years ago
add a crank shaft and attach it to the larger magnet that way when the counter weights move down the stater magnet dose to.
EletricCheese 4 years ago
If you looking for magnets check out magnets4less. com and emovendo. net . I am also interested in your design Dust'. Just wondering if you are working on a newer design? History would tell us your not going to make it work but thats no reason not to try.
nwman1 4 years ago
you guys are not really thinking this is MAKING energy right? The spinning movement is caused by the magnet the guy is holding.. when he moves it far, to make it cross the point, he is giving the wheel the energy to spin.... no miracles guys.. it's just physics... but good work! I guess it's a nice way to transfer energy.
Zirrio 4 years ago
That was really good, but practicaly if you make an engine, what source do you use in place of hand for dipping.
deararavind 4 years ago
Very Interesting, DustAid. Rather than huge differences in magnet height -- which may lead to other problems...or not -- what are your thoughts on a simple cam on the main power shaft with linkage to a mounted stator magnet so that it automatically raises it at the gate location? Or am i making things unnecessarily complicated.
JamesThomas 4 years ago
If you stuck the wheel in the center of a large round piece of styrofoam, you might be able to save time drilling holes. You might be able to push the magnets into the stirophome. Large round Styrofoam can be found at any craft store. Normally used in flower arrangements. Also instead of using one long Calloway V Gate, repeat three smaller ones. After you get it working, surround it with coiled wire to generate a current.
h2fcell 4 years ago
a counter weight on the stator would make it work easier too... I'm thinking... but hey perhaps you've already tried these things..???? Way cool idea though... I dig it deep
whotoinfinity 4 years ago
I'm wondering, have you concidered a light weight, say made from a pie pan... cam that would lift and lower the stator as needed?
whotoinfinity 4 years ago
Good Job! WOW
artini1985 4 years ago
I realy like your project. I would like to know your layout, diameter, angle of the spiral the depth of the magnets, how many magnets, spacing between magnets and any athe I might need.
I would like to coment on how you might make it move acay. use a cam on the wheel so that it will push it away as it comes around, I would place it at ste side of the wheel so that the weight isn't as great, or even below center to make it even lighter. Thanks, Frank
fgoering 4 years ago
The use of flywheel type weights could help by increaseing the centrifical force. Of corse there would be a fine point where the strength of the magnets would not be able to turn the heavier weight
causing the device to not work.
reid1953 4 years ago
In theory, almost perpetual motion could be achieved by gluing two disks to the sides of the skate wheel and supending the magnet from string. The disks would be in a fassion of an escentric and would kick the magnet away from the wheel when it reached the stopping point.
reid1953 4 years ago
I'm working on a similar project myself, but a different desing. Looks much more clever than my design, but since this is an open-source project, I hope you won't mind me trying it out. If you want it 5 inches away, why not use a snail-shell type spiral with a larger diameter to accomplish that... it would probably work out well. Thanks for the ideas, and good luck!!
sklyde0000 4 years ago
Great concept, continue developing your system, I believe you might be on to something. Have you ever thought about mechanically synchronizing the rotational movement of your magnetic wheel with an inverted camshaft system? In this sense you can achieve greater rotational speed without having the wheel lock up, plus you can automate the functional relationship between the magnetic wheel and the magnet you use to generate movement.
enigma2820 4 years ago
Have you tried two or more (opposite) stator-magnets?
sturmgruber 4 years ago
how about if you use 2 scateboard wheels and both they have v-gate and the other wheel is setted differently then the another wheel pushes the another to pass the gate
KooDari123 4 years ago
i believe you can actually fix the hand work, make a sort of mechanism that retracts the big magnet back at the v gate, then pushes it back forward, if you look at basic mechanics i believe you might be in for a permanent engine!
PrivatWAFFEL 4 years ago
Instead of 'dipping' the magnet by hand, can it not be done by a mechanical linkage or would that rob too much energy from the wheel?
lezbriddon 4 years ago
what happens if you put the stator on a swing arm, so that the gate pushes the magnet away from it, and when it passes the magnes pull it back. would have to put limiters on it so that the magnet doesnt go to far away or to close. ideas?
seirtsapretsaot 4 years ago
dude your efforts are good but when you stop moving the magnet and see how many rotations it can do (4 rotations) i see your still lifting the bar magnet up and down a bit.
neutronelf10 4 years ago
very impressive...i think once you have it perfect,you may be the next millionaire yet ~_~
triggerhappy77707 4 years ago
Good job. Next plant your magnets slanted and not straight in as you have done. Have two wheels that are joined but are umbalanced so that forward thrust by itself. Parendev wheel used nylon. Too fast and everything flies out.
durian789 4 years ago
So the real question is if you can cam the static magnet with the energy in the motion of the flywheel. This can be tested with pure mechanical interface or using a magnetic shield/blind. Using the concepts of the steam engine valving should get you close to the geometry require to achieve this goal.
If you have a gain in energy over and above what is require for the retraction vehicle, you've got a great simple proof of concept model for this technology.
SimpleNature 4 years ago
Why do you have magnets in the same row as magnets when the ends of the gates meet? I thought that disrupted the pattern.
CrashGames2108 4 years ago
How about using 2 or 3 rotors in line but with deferent allingment so that when one reaches the gate the combined force of the others overcomes it?
greylordgr 4 years ago
It seams to me that the Perendev motor has already solved this problem by having three rotors.
I am no expert.
But it looks to me that in the case of the Perendev motor two magnets are pulling against one magnet in the critical positions.
The two magnets can over power the one magnet at the "gate", hence the need for the three rotors.
I could be wrong about this, since I have only seen these magnetic motors first time about two months ago.
Cheers!
Z-Man
HydrOxyBoost 4 years ago
would a shield help you get past the gate?
gilliganeatshit 4 years ago
How about using 2 or 3 rotors (wheels)in line with deferent axonic positions, so when one hits the gate the combined force of the others (that are away from their own gate), makes it start again and the next and the next...?
greylordgr 4 years ago
hmm, even if this is possible how will it have the strenght to move something heavy, i mean it would have to be like a giant wheel, going down to a tiny wheel to compress strenght to make something heavyer move, if its gona make electric power its gona need strenght.
FusionNinjin 4 years ago
hi are there any weels left on the skate board??
stimulater7 4 years ago
why dont you set up an apparatus attatched to the wheel, that moves the magenet backwards whenever you approach the gate; so that you won't have to hold the magnet and it would go on by itself
reptilianshifter 4 years ago
How about using two or more stator magnets? maybe the ones which are not over the gate could power the wheel past the stator which is over the gate
kevincarnate 4 years ago
Why not put a cam on the axle, with a spring return to move the magnet over the gate? maybe use a repelling magnet to move the magnet out so as not to loose any power through friction?
Gatting closer though.
smartz100 4 years ago
The are just stuck in. I drilled holes with a 1/4" drill bit and pressed them in. Nothing to tech, the rubber of the wheel holds them tight.
DustAid 4 years ago
As I'm thinking of it... I'd put an idectical cam on either side...
whotoinfinity 4 years ago
What if you make the "V" wider? By doing this, would it make one full revolution faster? With a little more speed, you might beable to hop the gate?
trigger1979 4 years ago
so where did you get those magnets? cuz i'm having a hard time finding those types of magnets.
blancsthekid 4 years ago 26
It is going to be very difficult to figure out how to get by the gate. A cam on the wheel with a pull magnet on a track will not work, to much friction. I agree that the wheel might have to have more mass. Maybe momentum will be able to push it through.
Good luck on future models.
stav009 4 years ago 34
This has been on my mind for years.Well done keep it up. It has millions of applications!!!
spit69abc 4 years ago
good show. facinating!
electric789 4 years ago