Impossible cut shot goes

[Pickedilly]

impossible? hm...well...no more ;)



[dramame]

when you play any shot you line it up based on the ghost ball and play the angle into the pocket as you can see the cue ball leave its tangent line as you can see as the shot is dead center of the line he is coming into the shot before the 90 degree path which cuts the ball slightly to the left of the pocket when shooting from the right. He didn't masse` this shot like some people are trying to make out. follow to the ball to the pocket it does not split the center. it hits rail and drops.

[Bob95051]

@dramame You're right, the ball went into the easy side of the pocket. If the pockets are 4.4 inches wide (which they are on that table, and the cue ball was six inches from the other corner pocket and on a line from the center of the pocket to the object ball which was on the spot, what was the cut angle? This is a tedious but fairly straight forward trig problem.

[dramame]

cut shot played thin with the ball traveling off center to the pocket. not impossible

[Bob95051]

@dramame I'm not sure what you mean by "off center" but the ball went more or less to the middle of the pocket and the ball is round and the table is level.

[californiagil]

That's a great cut shot... I am not sure about all the math that goes into it, but it's nice to watch!

[GIFFFFTED]

impressive

[gannymaster]

with the correct reverse english i.e. cutting right with extreme right spin and the friction of the cloth allows for a further than 90 degree cut

[ChicagoDan73]

I have seen Larry Nevel make that shot inside the jaws of the pocket and make it..

[AFilmDirector]

Good.

[bushputz]

Think of the balls being covered in gears or velcro. The outside english causes the cue ball to 'grab' the object ball slightly and throw it just a bit to the right.

[bushputz]

The easiest way to demonstrate this is to place two cues on either side of the cue ball, leaving a channel just wide enough for the cue ball to roll between. Now place an object ball just at the end of the two cues, center-to-center with the cue ball (the channel prevents 'squirt', and ensures center to center contact). Shoot the cue softly with left english down the cue channel. The object ball will be thrown to the right.

[TinkTheHustler]

93 degree cut...LOL! I would LOVE for you to explain how you got the cue ball to contact the BACK SIDE of the object ball, in order to make the extra 3 degrees; the most thin a ball can be hit is at a 90 degree angle.

The angle in which it traveled to the pocket may have been 93, but that would require the table to affect the roll.

All of the messin' with you aside, it was still a great shot. BTW, what made the balls glow like that? A setting on your camera?

[Bob95051]

The trick is to use spin (left in this case) on the cue ball to get throw on the object ball. It helps if the balls are dirty so you can get huge amounts of throw. The actual contact angle is about the same as for an 80-degree cut.

The video is lousy due to being recorded on a really cheap VHS machine and marginal MPEG translation equipment.

[TinkTheHustler]

A ball hit that thin will transfer no english. English, or throw, IS amplified from the contact surfaces being dirty. However, not when the hit is this thin. Several Physics laws would have to be re-written if the opposite were true.

Still a great shot though.

[StudentenPoolles]

a ball hit that thin WILL transfer english, very often when I do thin cut shots I give them a little extra with english. However I do have the feelnig that hitting a ball thicker induces more throw, and the slower a ball goes the more throw it gives. But this is just a feeling and Im not sure about that..

Dr Dave Billiards probably knows :)

[hubertandclyde]

@Bob95051 You can't throw the ball an extra 3 degrees. Not at that angle anyways.

[Bob95051]

@hubertandclyde The problem is that the shot can be made as I described. The only "gaff" to the extent that there is one, is that the balls need to be dirty so that the friction is high enough. I didn't believe that the shot was possible until I started experimented with it. I have gotten cuts towards 3/4-diamond on the hard side of the pocket but they didn't travel very far.

Don't bet against this shot unless you want to donate.

[hubertandclyde]

@Bob95051 I would make this bet if you used clean balls. Clean balls are what is suppose to be used. using dirty balls is just not right. That's like saying you make this certain shot if he balls are egg shaped and made of rubber. You can;t just change something until you make the shot possible. You either do th shot with regulation clean balls, or else you just can't do it.

[ProdigyKimXP]

@hubertandclyde You can definitely throw balls at 3 degrees. I've seen this done a few times before. Not too hard to believe. In a perfect world, this shot is impossible. But there is such a thing as friction and using outside English helps achieve this shot.

[hubertandclyde]

@ProdigyKimXP I know all of that. You can throw balls more than three degrees if you hit the object ball more full. Because of the thin cut it is impossible to throw it that much. Because of friction it is actually going to drag the object ball out, the outside english will correct that, but not throw it back an extra 3 degrees.

[ProdigyKimXP]

@hubertandclyde You know that? For a fact? I've seen my friend do this shot in person. Sure it's probably not exactly 3 degrees. But it's enough to make it noteworthy.

[hubertandclyde]

@ProdigyKimXP The shot where you spot the object ball, then shoot the cue ball from in front of the corner pocket is doable. It is not however a 93 or even 92 degree cut. It is probably an 85-90 degree cut.

[plhlolelnlilx06]

@TinkTheHustler - The shot is entirely possible. I was surfing billiard videos one day and came across one very similar to this. Of course I took the time to put it to the test and after about 5 or so shots... in the pocket it went. Great shot!

[magikman38]

theres no way. you would have to hit that way harder than that for it to get there. considering how thin that cut supposedly is theres no way the object ball would react so hot of the cue ball. 90 degrees is fishy much less 93. lets see a clear camera recording of it then i will belief you

[fandennis]

let's spell believe correctly before someone will take your comment seriously.

[cozza1991]

Wow!!! cool

what an interesting choice of pocket aswell!!

dint fancy it down the rail then? Nah too easy :P

[jburkhammer]

check out my video "impossible cut" in my video folder, that is a good shot!!!

[nospimi]

WOW! WOW! WOW! That was an astonishing shot! He should do pool horse with that as his final shot, lol

[kratsjovic]

very nice shot!

[beatzzz01]

LOL, He didnt even believe it went, did you see him go call someone to tell them about the shot? LOL

[Bob95051]

Two weeks before, I would have said the shot was impossible and would have bet a fair amount against anyone making it, even Efren. The actual cut angle is about 93 degrees. Use outside spin. Dirty balls help.

[fick55]

nice!!

[jackr88]

why call it impossible?

[Bob95051]

Because the object ball is on the spot and the cue ball is shot from one corner pocket. The cut angle is greater than 90 degrees, and many people think it's geometrically impossible to make such shots.

[jackr88]

so it's seemingly impossible not impossible.

the title should be 'almost impossible cut shot goes'

[bandboy212]

but then he wouldnt get many people because their drawn to the title

[dani200105]

great shot... only question: why not the center pocket? lol ;)

[Bob95051]

That would be too easy. But mostly because it is a one-pocket shot and a proposition shot. The actual cut angle works out to be about 93 degrees which many people think is impossible.

[strangerdxb]

ne 1an play that just matter of timing :p

[GypsieChris]

sick shot man