The Creator:YHWH (Trinity) or Islam's Allah?

[nedboer]

Jesus and his apostles were all able to perform miracles to prove to their listeners that they were indeed send and were used by God Jahweh sure anyone may claim to speak for God like mohamed and joseph smith in1844 they all wrote their own books mohmed said that he had gotten a message from the angel Gabiel ,joseph smith claimed that the angel maroni gave him the knowledge to translate certain golden plates on whitch there was a message written for him to pas on to us but no divine proof?

[waqargoodguy]

if u read bible

OT Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel The LORD our God is ONE(not 3) LORD

NT Mark 12:29: And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord OUR God is ONE Lord:

Jesus said OUR God,,,meaning Jesus had a God so he wasnt God himself

[waqargoodguy]

there is no concept of trinity in islam....word trinity is not even in bible...Allah is proper name of One true Creator....Jesus is son of Marry...not son of God....Jesus was born to virgin marry...and he did not have any father....

[jaanRUK]

but i still do stand my ground and believe islam is the religion of peace no matter what anyone says.

[jaanRUK]

"Although I agree with you that there are many immoral things in Bible, I don't appreciate how you insulted the man by telling him he should get more HIV just because he is African. I am African myself and I didn't appreciate that. There are ways to have debates with people with out having to insult them in cruel ways." i got this msg today and i just have to say im sincerely sorry because that was ignorant of me and i take my words back about the HIV comment.

[Africanchristian]

@jaanRUK "Although I agree with you that there are many immoral things in Bible, "

Of course there would be, because human beings and their sinful actions are often described in the Bible.

[willjohnson456]

@Africanchristian I am the one that sent her that message. When I was talking about immoral things I was talking about all the immoral things Yahweh did like killing a man for picking up sticks and killing children with bears for making fun of a bald man.

[Africanchristian]

@willjohnson456 "Yahweh did like killing a man for picking up sticks and killing children with bears for making fun of a bald man."

Please quote where, IN CONTEXT, it is stated that Yahweh each if those things.

[willjohnson456]

@Africanchristian What do you think about Numbers 25:17?

[jaanRUK]

are you not going to comment on them because you cant face the truth? and it is true obviously u havent read the bible u idiot and thats why in africa also so many african men go around raping diff women in diff villages lol ur pathetic

[Africanchristian]

@jaanRUK

"are you not going to comment on them"

Please explain how each one of the verses you allude to, is an example of "rape and pornography and lies.".

once you do that I will give it response to every single one!

Thank you :-)

[jaanRUK]

Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

More Murder Rape and Pillage  (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

.Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

your bible is full of rape and pornography and lies.

[Africanchristian]

@jaanRUK I popped your post into google and found an EXACT MATCH

IF you want to DISCUSS with me please use your own words and research - otherwise it is not a discussion but a 'copy and paste' exercise.

Be honest did you read those Bible chapters in the various English versions that you mentioned????!!!

"your bible is full of rape and pornography and lies"

Not true - you are a copy&paster of lies and misinformation.

There are too many plagiarising-Moslems commenting on YouTube!!

[zainbadar01]

first of fall bro u have lack of knowledge .in Quran Allah doesnt said that trinity is one .u say trinity is one. simple concept father,son and spirit cant be one.these are three .and why are u discussing on it which isnt mention in ur bible? the word trinity is no where mention in bible.i challenge u

[Africanchristian]

@zainbadar01 ".in Quran Allah doesnt said that trinity is one"

It says:-

- Trinity is: Allah, Jesus and Mary.

- Jesus and Mary were considered to be divine deity like Allah.

Clearly the writers of the Qur’an misunderstood the biblical Christian view that the Trinity is God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Christianity- the Father Son and Holy Spirit.-TRINITARIAN

Islam - Allah and the Qur’an ARE co-eternal and ONE (Qur’an is distinct and yet part of Allah) -BINARIAN

[Africanchristian]

@zainbadar01 " simple concept "

You show why Moslems are in error. The creator of the world can not be simple he is definitely complex.

"and why are u discussing on it which isnt mention in ur bible?"

IT IS mentioned in the Bible!!!

"..discussing on it which isnt mention in ur bible? the word trinity is no where mention in bible.i challenge u"

Somebody made of the word to show the tri-unity or the Creator.

[Africanchristian]

@zainbadar01 " simple concept "

You show why Moslems are in error. The creator of the world can not be simple he is definitely complex.

"and why are u discussing on it which isnt mention in ur bible?"

IT IS mentioned in the Bible!!!

"..discussing on it which isnt mention in ur bible? the word trinity is no where mention in bible.i challenge u"

Somebody made UP the word to show the tri-unity or the Creator.

[zainbadar01]

@Africanchristian understand truth is simple but if u want to understand.basically some verses of bible conflicts with other verses of bible.for instance bible says that world will destroy in future but other verse says world will live forever.Quran,bible both come from Allah.why we say that its impure.for instance an old bible found in palestine"written by jesus(p.b.u.h) younger bro jude which is totally opposite today bible like we say.Q:IF TODAYS BIBLE IS A WORD OF GOD SO WHY IT HAVE AUTHORS

[Africanchristian]

@zainbadar01 "for instance bible says that world will destroy in future but other verse says world will live forever."

Please show the the verses and kindly explain how they contradict - IN CONTEXT - thanks.

"an old bible found in palestine"written by jesus(p.b.u.h) younger bro jude which is totally opposite today bible"

NO such Bible exists!!!

[Africanchristian]

@zainbadar01 ""IF TODAYS BIBLE IS A WORD OF GOD SO WHY IT HAVE AUTHORS"

Because God jas been revealing his word for thousands of years!

For example when Moses died, other prophets came and spoke the words of God. The book that prophet Joshua wrote is called Joshua.

It is only God that can perform the miracle of guiding 40 men and women, over 1,500 years, to write a book .

We thus have multiple witnesses, but Muhammad is his own witness!!

[moeazysgc]

@Africanchristian Liar,How about These Saints n Popes n Paul!

[willjohnson456]

@Africanchristian I am not a Muslim. I don't follow any religion but I am not an atheist. I will show you some quotes that portray him as a violent deity. 2Kings 2:23-24. 2Samuel 6:6-7. Deuteronomy 21:18-21. Numbers 15:32-36. Numbers 25:11-12. Leviticus 20:13. Leviticus 20:10. Leviticus 20:14. Acts 2:23. Revelations 21:8. Leviticus 21:16-23. Numbers 25:1-5. Numbers 11:1. Leviticus 10:1-2.

[Africanchristian]

@willjohnson456 I really want to discuss with Muslims - but if you kindly post your comment on the video that I just created, I'll discuss with you.

"but I am not an atheist"

Which deity do you believe in??

[willjohnson456]

@Africanchristian I don't believe in any deity that I have known such as Yahweh, the Hindu deities, African deities, Asian deities, and etc. I believe many people create deities because they don't know what created them or allowed them to exist. I believe that whatever allowed us to exist is unknown. It's just like how you have chair. You don't know who created the chair but you know that it must have a creator. So what do you think about the quotes I gave you?

[Africanchristian]

@willjohnson456 2Kings 2:23-24.

In context this is the third in a series of actions performed BY The PROPHET ELIJAH after a supernatural anointing power came upon him after the death of the prophet Elijah.

1. Walking a cross the Jordan River.

2. Healing of the water.

3. Two bears emerging miraculously in response to his curse.

Your assertion that Yahweh is a violent deity is NOT substantiated!!! This passage shows that the true prophets of Yahweh possess an anointing to perform miracles!

[Africanchristian]

@Africanchristian TYPO.....

n context this is the third in a series of actions performed BY The PROPHET ELISHA after a supernatural anointing power came upon him after the death of the prophet Elijah.

[Africanchristian]

@willjohnson456 2Samuel 6:6-7.

In Numbers chapter 4 God commanded that only a particular groups of people were allowed to touch certain holy things - anyone else would die.

Also see (Deut. 10:8).

So if you're warned that a particular object is connected to 11,000 volts of electricity and that if you touch it you would die – DO NOT TOUCH IT if you do not want to die.

Even an accidental touching would lead to death.

Similarly with diving into deep waters when you are not a swimmer.

[willjohnson456]

@Africanchristian So basically you are saying if a father said to his son don't touch his car but the son did anyways and the father killed him because of it you would say that the father is good and moral?

[Africanchristian]

@willjohnson456 Deuteronomy 21:18-21

21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

The last sentence shows that:

1. The law was for the land of Israel.

2. And the last phrase shows that it was meant to have a deterrent effect.

[willjohnson456]

@Africanchristian What is your point? The point is that this quote tells you to stone your disobedient son to death? That is moral to you?

[Africanchristian]

@willjohnson456

" What is your point? "

I think it's my turn to ask you to do something - Regarding the rest of the verses that you quoted, please kindly take each one and explain how, in context, Yahweh is portrayed as a violent deity. I will in turn respond to every single one diligently!

[Africanchristian]

@willjohnson456

Regarding the rest of the verses that you quoted, please kindly take each one and explain how, in context, Yahweh is portrayed as a violent deity.

[willjohnson456]

@Africanchristian Do you believe that Yahweh is a warrior God or man of war?

[Africanchristian]

@willjohnson456

"Do you believe that Yahweh is a warrior God or man of war?"

I think it's my turn to ask you to do something - Regarding the rest of the verses that you quoted, please kindly take each one and explain how, in context, Yahweh is portrayed as a violent deity. I will in turn respond to every single one diligently!

[willjohnson456]

@Africanchristian Exodus 15:3 says that he is a God of war. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 portrays Yahweh as a violent and evil deity because he told parents to kill their disobedient son. No sane parent would stone their children to death. Would you stone your son to death? Why is it okay for God to kill people brutally but evil for a parent kill their children?

[Africanchristian]

@willjohnson456 "that he is a God of war"

He had previously destroyed the world that HE created. He has also destroyed groups of people that HE created.

Please NOTE:

1. Israel WAS at war. At various times they were surrounded by idolatrous enemies.

2. Many of the verses you quote are from the Mosaic Law (for the ANCIENT Israelite community).

3. Crucially - It is IMPOSSIBLE for ANYBODY to practice the Mosaic Law - since 2,000 years AGO!!!!

Your assertions are therefore irrelevant!

[willjohnson456]

Why is Yahweh portrayed as a very violent deity? For example, He condones slavery, he tells a rape victim that she should marry her rapist. He kills a man for steadying the ark. He kills children with bears for making fun of a bald man and etc. What are you thoughts on Yahweh? How can he be about love if he is portrayed as a very violent deity.

[Africanchristian]

@willjohnson456

are you a Moslem? if not are you at atheist?

[Africanchristian]

@willjohnson456 “Why is Yahweh portrayed as a very violent deity?”

Yahweh is portrayed as the Sovereign and Omniscient Creator. Consequently it is impossible for us to understand his decision-making process.

With regards to your other comments, kindly give specific examples with Bible references - thanks.

"....he is portrayed as a very violent deity."

He is not portrayed as a violent deity (my thoughts)..

[TruthSeekingOne]

By the way I am not Islamic either, I am a believer that Christ is the savior of mankind but he was appointed as such by his father, God. Jesus was a perfect spirit creature (angel if you will) in heaven with God (God's firstborn of ALL creation, including the creation of Earth and so on..) so God and Jesus have had an untold number of years to bond and develop a father-son relationship as Jesus described in his own words.

[TruthSeekingOne]

There is no "God the son" that is a fake man-made concept. Jesus had a heavenly father YHWH, and Jesus was inferior to his father. Jesus was a powerful worker in God's name, and Jesus had a pre-existing life in heaven alongside YHWH. This is made clear in colossians 1:15 and other areas of the bible. Multiple times in the gospels Jesus made such statements as "the father is greater than I" John 14:28

1 Corinthians 11:3 brings out that YHWH is the head of Christ, they are not equals.

[Africanchristian]

@TruthSeekingOne Thank you for your comments. I deliberately created this presentation and others BECAUSE I WANT TO DISCUSS WITH MUSLIMS! That situation remains. I'n not interested is discussions with Jehovah's witnesses or similar.