It's a shame people like YOU don't differentiate between race and nationality. Maybe because you harpsicords think they're the same. Soak your heads and quit with the propaganda.
The Tarzan of the book was closer to a handsome monster. He seemed to be a total misanthrope, hated most races included his own as cowardly, had the instincts and the indifference to death, even his own, like that of an animal. He would fight to the death not caring whether he lived or died.
One of the most common scenes in the books was his killing a stag and then eating the raw flesh and blood. When one couldn't be found he would find maggots and worms under rocks and logs and eat them.
One of the best descriptions I have ever read of Burroughs' noble hero. Very sobering.
Of course, the thing to keep in mind is that he was a lot more than that. In other words, he wasn't just a brute, but an exceedingly brave, and sometimes even gentle, individual.
I would say that's true, as long as he was under the influence of Jane. There was a part in the first book where she expressed curiosity about a locket he always wore. She took it and opened it, which he never tried to do. She saw photos of his parents and saw the resemblance. He indicated he wanted her to keep it. Since he didn't speak to her, she kissed it to show acceptance. and then copying her, ape-like, he kissed it in her hand, and she could then picture a gentleman.
@pwgr2000 I always enjoyed the contrast between his practical, animalistic sensibilities and his intellect. By the end of the first book he spoke ape, English and French.
He could also be self-sacrificing. He lied about to let Jane off the hook when he thought she loved another man ("My mother was an ape.")
BTW, I never thought the Tarzan books were especially racist. Tarzan was as indifferent to the black Africans as to the whites. Some other characters were less egalitarian.
The books do contain some unfortunate racist stuff. In "Tarzan and the Foreign Legion" Burroughs referred to the Japanese language as "monkey jabber".
Associate Professor of English Jason Haslam, who edited a new edition of the novel, wrote: “The novel is simply racist. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. If you revisit Tarzan of the Apes, what strikes you first is its brutal stereotypes of Africans and a plot fueled by sensational African explorers’ tales and absurd racial theories."
@pwgr2000 I wish these comment boxes were longer. What I should have said was I never thought Tarzan - the character - was particularly racist. It's been a few years but I found him mostly indifferent to everyone except Jane and possibly the frenchman whose name escapes me at the moment.
The description of Japanese as monkey jabber may be a slur, but it may also be a writer's description of hearing a foreign language the first time. I doubt Burroughs was very different from others of his time.
You are correct. Racism towards foreign cultures was widespread among white populations in the first half of the 20th Century when Burroughs was writing his book and his writings merely expressed the ideas that were widespread in the culture of the day. However, what this opinion does is confirm that racism was present in the novels, which is the viewpoint you were denying in your first comment: " I never thought the Tarzan books were especially racist."
The Film was that time against Blacks. Now they make against muslims. I would like to see Films, in that there is only Humanity. I think the Filmmakes can not go away from politic. They must evaluate themselfs. Revaluation is impossible. But for the humanity revolution they need also human circumstanses. We destroy our world, our humanity at first psychically and then materials. The world is not for Imperialist, the world is also for Flora and Fauna!!!
When this film was the majority of white people in the world were racists - our parents, our grandparents, judges, lawyers, teachers and police officers. The only people who weren't were a minority of sensitive intellectuals. It's a mistake to judge the good folk of the past by today's standards as they were the product of the times, just as you are. You're obviously proud to be tolerant and ecologically aware, not a great acheivement in these politically correct times when almost everyone is.
You're correct. I do have a head stuffed with all kinds of nonsense. And one of those is a tolerant attitude to displays of racism in popular culture in the past. If you disagree I would like to hear your point of view. I'm always willing to learn from those wiser than me
unrealistic? and all you can see is his hair how about a white man even being king of the jungle in africa raised by gorillas but friends with a chimp who can talk to animals..lol its fantasy so if you see one flaw at least take the time to see them all..lol
Popular cinema would largely be meaningless without some degree of "suspension of disbelief". Are you prepared to subject this unwavering logic to Star Wars, The Terminator, Spiderman, Batman, Superman, X-Men, etc, etc, etc?
this tarzan just doesn't seem realistic enough because i don't think he would have short hair. why would a jungle man have short hair if theres no place to get it cut?!
That's a very interesting comment. What you need to keep in mind is that in 1938 nearly all men had very well-groomed short hair. By comparison, Glen Morris is sporting a pretty shaggy rug for the time.
Also, take a look at "Gordon Scott and Groucho Marx, & Hidden Jungle trailer", one of my clips. In it Groucho Marx asks Gordon Scott why his hair is so long. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether you think Godon Scott's hair is long or not. Again, this was recorded in 1955, a time when short back and sides was very popular.
Then again, the pompadour, a longish style favoured by rockabilly artists (Elvis wore one) was starting to become popular. However, it wasn't very popular amongst the mainstream, as you can tell by Groucho's comment.
all you see is the hair being out of place? how about even having a white man raised by gorillas but is friends with a chimp who can talk to the animals making him king of the jungle...lol
This is a very easy film to find on DVD. There are currently nine copies of it available on the eBay auctions, plus another 15 copies in the eBay stores. They are not all the same quality, however. Try one of the remastered prints.
Eleanor Holm won her first national swimming title at only 13. She was also selected to compete in the 1928 Olympics because of her skillful backstroke, but was strong in other strokes as well. She was selected to compete in the 1936 Olymics as well but was suspended from the team because of a drinking incident on the boat to Berlin and never competed.
Interestingly, she and Johnny Weissmuller were both members of the swimmers starring in Billy Rose's "Aquacade" in 1939.
raridade com era as coissa de antigamente muito mas bem feito meu!!!
toninhomalta 6 months ago
It's a shame people like YOU don't differentiate between race and nationality. Maybe because you harpsicords think they're the same. Soak your heads and quit with the propaganda.
sammydavisjrsr 9 months ago
Sorry, what propaganda am I disseminating? Do you disagee with the idea that the human race was more racist in the past than it is now?
pwgr2000 9 months ago
The Tarzan of the book was closer to a handsome monster. He seemed to be a total misanthrope, hated most races included his own as cowardly, had the instincts and the indifference to death, even his own, like that of an animal. He would fight to the death not caring whether he lived or died.
One of the most common scenes in the books was his killing a stag and then eating the raw flesh and blood. When one couldn't be found he would find maggots and worms under rocks and logs and eat them.
ysbaddaden2003 1 year ago
One of the best descriptions I have ever read of Burroughs' noble hero. Very sobering.
Of course, the thing to keep in mind is that he was a lot more than that. In other words, he wasn't just a brute, but an exceedingly brave, and sometimes even gentle, individual.
pwgr2000 1 year ago
@pwgr2000
I would say that's true, as long as he was under the influence of Jane. There was a part in the first book where she expressed curiosity about a locket he always wore. She took it and opened it, which he never tried to do. She saw photos of his parents and saw the resemblance. He indicated he wanted her to keep it. Since he didn't speak to her, she kissed it to show acceptance. and then copying her, ape-like, he kissed it in her hand, and she could then picture a gentleman.
ysbaddaden2003 1 year ago
@pwgr2000 I always enjoyed the contrast between his practical, animalistic sensibilities and his intellect. By the end of the first book he spoke ape, English and French.
He could also be self-sacrificing. He lied about to let Jane off the hook when he thought she loved another man ("My mother was an ape.")
BTW, I never thought the Tarzan books were especially racist. Tarzan was as indifferent to the black Africans as to the whites. Some other characters were less egalitarian.
fatibel42 1 year ago
The books do contain some unfortunate racist stuff. In "Tarzan and the Foreign Legion" Burroughs referred to the Japanese language as "monkey jabber".
Associate Professor of English Jason Haslam, who edited a new edition of the novel, wrote: “The novel is simply racist. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. If you revisit Tarzan of the Apes, what strikes you first is its brutal stereotypes of Africans and a plot fueled by sensational African explorers’ tales and absurd racial theories."
pwgr2000 1 year ago
@pwgr2000 I wish these comment boxes were longer. What I should have said was I never thought Tarzan - the character - was particularly racist. It's been a few years but I found him mostly indifferent to everyone except Jane and possibly the frenchman whose name escapes me at the moment.
The description of Japanese as monkey jabber may be a slur, but it may also be a writer's description of hearing a foreign language the first time. I doubt Burroughs was very different from others of his time.
fatibel42 1 year ago
You are correct. Racism towards foreign cultures was widespread among white populations in the first half of the 20th Century when Burroughs was writing his book and his writings merely expressed the ideas that were widespread in the culture of the day. However, what this opinion does is confirm that racism was present in the novels, which is the viewpoint you were denying in your first comment: " I never thought the Tarzan books were especially racist."
pwgr2000 11 months ago
nanda la gucci
ozirion73 1 year ago
These were the times! The White Man was the master and the blacks knew where they belonged. Even the white Ape-Man was superior to the negro.
TheTatzlwurm 1 year ago
This was made in the 1930's for entertainment. They didn't have TV, just radio and motion picture.
In this time period Bonny and Clyde were raising hell all in the south. Different times indeed
Runcycle09 1 year ago
The Film was that time against Blacks. Now they make against muslims. I would like to see Films, in that there is only Humanity. I think the Filmmakes can not go away from politic. They must evaluate themselfs. Revaluation is impossible. But for the humanity revolution they need also human circumstanses. We destroy our world, our humanity at first psychically and then materials. The world is not for Imperialist, the world is also for Flora and Fauna!!!
EuroNetWelt 2 years ago
When this film was the majority of white people in the world were racists - our parents, our grandparents, judges, lawyers, teachers and police officers. The only people who weren't were a minority of sensitive intellectuals. It's a mistake to judge the good folk of the past by today's standards as they were the product of the times, just as you are. You're obviously proud to be tolerant and ecologically aware, not a great acheivement in these politically correct times when almost everyone is.
pwgr2000 2 years ago
@pwgr2000 You have a head stuffed with nonsense.
steindaddie 1 year ago
You're correct. I do have a head stuffed with all kinds of nonsense. And one of those is a tolerant attitude to displays of racism in popular culture in the past. If you disagree I would like to hear your point of view. I'm always willing to learn from those wiser than me
pwgr2000 1 year ago
@pwgr2000 I agree with you you are so correct Sir!!:)
bobsmith0247 1 year ago
unrealistic? and all you can see is his hair how about a white man even being king of the jungle in africa raised by gorillas but friends with a chimp who can talk to animals..lol its fantasy so if you see one flaw at least take the time to see them all..lol
station4hiphop 2 years ago
Popular cinema would largely be meaningless without some degree of "suspension of disbelief". Are you prepared to subject this unwavering logic to Star Wars, The Terminator, Spiderman, Batman, Superman, X-Men, etc, etc, etc?
pwgr2000 2 years ago
this tarzan just doesn't seem realistic enough because i don't think he would have short hair. why would a jungle man have short hair if theres no place to get it cut?!
TheiFrancesshow 2 years ago
That's a very interesting comment. What you need to keep in mind is that in 1938 nearly all men had very well-groomed short hair. By comparison, Glen Morris is sporting a pretty shaggy rug for the time.
pwgr2000 2 years ago
Also, take a look at "Gordon Scott and Groucho Marx, & Hidden Jungle trailer", one of my clips. In it Groucho Marx asks Gordon Scott why his hair is so long. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether you think Godon Scott's hair is long or not. Again, this was recorded in 1955, a time when short back and sides was very popular.
pwgr2000 2 years ago
Then again, the pompadour, a longish style favoured by rockabilly artists (Elvis wore one) was starting to become popular. However, it wasn't very popular amongst the mainstream, as you can tell by Groucho's comment.
pwgr2000 2 years ago
all you see is the hair being out of place? how about even having a white man raised by gorillas but is friends with a chimp who can talk to the animals making him king of the jungle...lol
station4hiphop 2 years ago
I miss these old black and whites. Saw a collection for sale at a store in Colombia (S.A.) sure wish i could find it in the States.
dmzflightmedic 3 years ago
This is a very easy film to find on DVD. There are currently nine copies of it available on the eBay auctions, plus another 15 copies in the eBay stores. They are not all the same quality, however. Try one of the remastered prints.
pwgr2000 3 years ago
Shades of Esther Williams!
annaLaPointe 3 years ago
Eleanor Holm won her first national swimming title at only 13. She was also selected to compete in the 1928 Olympics because of her skillful backstroke, but was strong in other strokes as well. She was selected to compete in the 1936 Olymics as well but was suspended from the team because of a drinking incident on the boat to Berlin and never competed.
Interestingly, she and Johnny Weissmuller were both members of the swimmers starring in Billy Rose's "Aquacade" in 1939.
pwgr2000 2 years ago