For those people comparing the TU-154 with the 737 you must be idiots!
There are many types of 737's, starting from the 737-100 all the way to the 737-900 so there's your reason for the sheer number of aircraft built. The best aircraft to compare the TU-154 would be the 727.
727 (1831 built) - 113 hull losses
TU-154 (1025 built) - 69 hull losses
We can see that the TU-154 is just as safe as the 727. Plus take note that the TU-154 operates in worse conditions than the 727.
I do not know how this happened. I think it was an accident, and sometimes that the coup. This information shocked me. Although I am a Pole I think some sympathy for the Poles or Russians. † Eternal rest grant unto them, sir †
Shows so,, that messages of controllers of (inspectors of) flights (lot) were with error, which (who) totaled (take away; amount to) in last phase 800 meters near. When controller (inspector) said on rate „ 2 and there was aircraft at distance of 2.8 from threshold of strip path km ” and there was below path. Aircraft has impacted distances from airport to land (earth) approximately. Erroneous directing of russian in day 10.04.2010 Tu-154m!
Would u like to ban me from international websites? Well Russians did similar thing in 18th and 19th and 20th century. (Just to let u know there werent any websites back then :))
haha i say it was ment to land there... the russians had the plane 5 months before the flight was maid, the had it for checking... i wouldn't be surpriesd if russia had, everything to do with the problems with that plane
This is a complete lie! The Kaczyński wanted the plane to be replaced long time before the tragedy happened. Everything was acctually prepared to buy a different plane but the new government scrapped that preaprations and decided to use TUPOLEV longer explaining that it was cheaper. This was their famouse "cheap country" campaign. So please do not publish something like this
@Spostrzegacz oh u fucking dumbarse, why would you chat so much shit on the international website?! Like it wasn't enough that polish forums are filled up with hundreds of conspiracy theories written by all these idiots.. Kaczynski was the one who didn't accept the governments suggestions ( well he ALWAYS used to spite on governments' suggestions and reforms ) therefore this attempt of getting new planes ended up in failure..I'm not Tusk follower, dont give a shit bout Poland either.
@hudziszeq FACTS u idiot! Do not throw ur crap at me. Question any of those facts that I gave and then we can speak. Governments suggestion was NOT to buy a plane and they didnt, it is not connected whit any actions of Lech Kaczynski.
@hudziszeq How do you know what are polish forum filled with? FUCKING RUSSIAN SPY! Or "useful idiot" as Stalin used to say. BACK OFF. I am not speaking with people like u.
@Spostrzegacz how come i know ? cuz I'm polish (i'd even risk to say "unfortunately" as I'm really embarrassed n ashamed of being one of them idiots n u're another reason why i want to get rid of this emblem of nationality ) therefore whether i want or not i hear and read much about all this crap and sometimes I cant believe my eyes in what ppl talk about this accident (for instance : fake fog spreaded by russians, shooting down the survivers , shooting down the whole plane, dodgy radio freq.)
@hudziszeq After looking at your comments there is only one explanation of you behaviour u r treator or "useful idiot" or russian spy. Not going to speak with u any more. URB.
@Spostrzegacz oh by the way - calling me russian spy exactly explains to everyone out there of what kind of person you are.. any comments on this are just completely pointless.
@hudziszeq After looking at your comments there is only one explanation of you behaviour u r treator or "useful idiot" or russian spy. Not going to speak with u any more. URB.
lol.. Russians do everything to change the subject back to a plane that was still very reliable, durable and was getting the job done. It is the fault of their own Smolensk aircraft controllers that this crash happened. Shifting the blame back to a plane that they themselves serviced is idiotic. Typical Russian mentality.
@Philly2002 A 2006 ICAO study which looked at 30 years of Russian plane operations found that 1) regional turboprops and wide-body airliners were significantly safer then western equivalents at all levels, 2) narrow bodied airliners had similar safety levels to those of comparable western airliners (even though models such as the 154 operated in harsh climatic conditions/unpaved runways). The safest narrow-body airliner over 30 yrs was IL-62M (no fatalities worldwide between 1989-2009).
@av21031 It's interesting- you say that Il-62 was the safest narrow-body airliner in 30 years and you've decided to mention its safety record for only 20 years between 1989-2009 (there was fatal accident in 2009). If you really look at 30 years of operation (1979-2009) then you'll notice that there were 7 accidents with fatalities where was Il-62 involved. That is as many as in case of B-757 over the same period (it was introduced in 1983). And Boeing made 1050 of them.
@rrynek Actually I said the Il-62M was the safest over a period of 30 years. The ICAO didn't separate original Il-62 from Il-62M as study was not that detailed. The B 757 was introduced in 1983 but I don't know of Russian airliners (Il or otherwise) introduced since 1983 that have any civilian fatalities over the same period. So you can't compare planes from different generations or classes.
@av21031 Why not? You keep comparing DC-8 and B-707 to Il-62 or Il-62M ignoring the fact that both Western designs were introduced in 1958, i.e. 9 and 15 years before Soviet planes. You didn't mention what generations of planes you had in mind when you said that Il-62M was the safest narrow-body airliner over 30 years, and you cannot claim it was ICAO's opinion because it was not. ICAO compared safety of planes from different generations and classes, including turboprops.
@rrynek Every source I have ever seen lists the Il-62 as having comparable specs to the B-707, VC10, DC8. Do you not agree with that? I didn't state that ICAO concluded that the Il-62M was the safest narrow body - as I just stated they didn't separate Il-62 from Il-62M. Wikipedia however does list the Il-62M as having the lowest hull loss rate amongst comparable planes (3 fatal incidents over 30 years). I'm sure this information is correct.
@av21031 But when you mentioned ICAO report you forgot to say it was only your opinion that Il-62M was the safest narrow-body airliner over 30 years, not ICAO's. By the way- they didn't refer to Russia only but they wrote about USSR and its former republics and planes designed and built in USSR. When ICAO compared safety records of various planes they didn't look at hull loss rate or the number of planes lost but they compared the number of accidents per 100000 flight hours.
@rrynek It is not my opinion but are stats sourced from aviation safety sites. The wikipedia entries on VC10, Il-62 and B 707 are well referenced and use ASN and other aviation safety data. The IL-62 and VC10 wikipedia sites are comprehensive and list every hull loss as well as every fatal 'incident' (some other sites only list fatal accidents). Of course some might still consider the Il-62M to be unsafe no matter what the facts are, but statistics don't lie and are not subjective.
@av21031 I wonder if you've ever heard this phrase: "Lies, damned lies and statistics" :) You use one type of statistics ICAO the other and you end up with completely different conclusions. ICAO compared number of accident per 100000 flights and that's because it's obvious that planes which don't fly very frequently are not likely to have an accident.
@rrynek Please read my posts more carefully. As I said the hull loss data is from Wikipedia sourced from aviation safety sites. I mentioned the ICAO originally in relation to the Tu-154.
@rrynek That is not necessarily correct. Wikipedia mentions that the period of no fatal Il-62 accidents (any version) was in the two decades when the highest number were in service (rather than earlier). That may be because airlines and pilots built up experience with maintenance and landing characteristics, esp on wet runways and reverse thrust etc .Incidentally Aeroflot's Il-62s dispatch rate was 97% and some were flying 17 hrs/day.
@rrynek I note that you state that the B 727 was "best in the world on flight safety" in its class and yet the Tu 154 (its equivalent) has almost identical hull loss rates (6.3 vs 6.0%) even though operating in more difficult areas/conditions. A breakdown of accident causes also shows far more 727 losses due to mechnical failure whilst most 154 losses were due to factors totally unrelated to the plane. That would suggest that the 154 is probably even safer than the 727.
@av21031 An opinion about B-727 is not really mine- I used almost exactly the same words as ICAO in their document about flight safety of planes designed and built in former Soviet Union. And they didn't say anything about hull loss rates or hull losses, because such information doesn't give any information about how intensely the plane was used. Instead ICAO prefers to speak about number of accidents per 100000 flight hours.
@rrynek Most accidents happen at takeoff or landing so total flight hrs alone don't consider the number of cycles. I know some Tu-134s had high cycle rates (up to 6 flights/day) but don't know how its use compared with the 154. With regard to B-727, one youtube mentioned a study comparing causes of accidents in B-727 with Tu-154. Mechanical or technical failure featured in 73 accidents of the B-727, but only 8 of the Tu-154. So from that aspect, the 154 looks to be the safer plane.
@av21031 That's why I considered it funny when you said "statistics don't lie"- in general they are a simplification and they show certain bias. In this particular situation ICAO decided to rely on one type of statistical data because it is 'generally accepted', according to them.
@rrynek Statistics don't lie - it's just how someone interprets them. Hull loss rate is often used because it is a good measure of attrition over time. But it can also be misleading if you leave out the 'time' aspect. Superficially the VC-10 appears to have the same hull loss rate as the Il-62M (7.7%) but it was in service for less than half the time so that has to be taken into consideration.
@av21031 Hull loss rate is not reliable because it doesn't give you information on how the plane was used, how it was lost etc. A good example is B720- one of planes derived from B707, 11 were lost in terrorist attacks, destroyed by Israeli army etc. and total number of planes lost was 23 out of 154 made. Hull loss itself doesn't contain information about 'time' and you have to use other statistics to find it out.
@rrynek That is true. In the case of the VC-10 hull loss rate of 7.8%, the three planes destroyed by terrorists were excluded in the calculation because of the low number of planes produced and lost over a short period of service. If you include them you get an unusually high hull loss rate which is misleading.
@av21031 But I've noticed myself what you've just pointed out, i.e this particular comparison favours long range planes, because B-737s or Tu-134s need more flights to reach the same number of flight hours as B-707 or Il-62 and landings are the most dangerous part of flight. On the other hand long-haul flights, compared to shorter ones, add such elements of risk like crew's fatigue or long distance from airports( for example when planes fly over Pacific).
@av21031 Nevertheless number of flight hours flown by plane is a good indication of intensity of its use. I would also like to notice that B-737, DC-9 and B-727 achieved better results than B-707 and DC-8, but after all they were introduced later.
@av21031 The very same ICAO report, which compares planes built and designed in USSR with Western ones, also provides information about accidents caused by mechanical failures for both groups of planes. Tu-154 and B-727 were given as an example. In case of Tu-154 20 accidents were caused by problems with landing-gear, 6 were engine related, 2 were result of control system failure, and one by other system- 29 accidents in total. For B-727 it was-43, 17, 2, 5, respectively for systems mentioned.
@av21031 So that was 80 accidents of B-727 in total. But you also need to remember that there were more B-727s built( nearly twice as many), and even today there's twice as many of them in use compared to Tu-154 (nearly 400 vs 200). Typical B-727 also was used for longer both in terms of years in service and flight hours logged.
@av21031 Apparently ICAO published different versions of this study in different languages because I've read an English version and it says that B-727 was the best in the world on flight safety in group of of narrow-body first and second generation planes and its safety level is close to high standard of fourth generation wide-body planes.
Wow, so Aeroflot retired their 154s last year... RT are spinning something here (as ever), but what is it? Surprisingly, they seem to imply that the crash was in some way related to the aircraft type... not what I would have expected. What did I miss here, guys? (I should point out that I was very saddened by this event, I've enjoyed numerouis trips to Poland and the hospitality of the Polish people. Also I saw both the Polish 154s at Warsaw airport last time I was there in 2006).
How could they know if he liked it or not? I mean, if they had a quote or something.
Lech Kaczynski was a smart man, and the best President Poland ever had. I realised that only after his death, on how stupid I was to support the opposition before. Now I will always be after his party, because his brother now, is the only man that can save Poland from being sold to Russia and Germany.
Lech Kaczynski knew, that replacing the TU-154M would come from the hand of taxs payers, that's why he didn't.
samolot byl jeszcze jako tako ale pamietacie?? mieli leciec do haiti z tym samololotem ale jakos polecieli :D juz mowili ze lech kaczynski im kazal ladowac w lesie bo bal sie ze sie spozni ja bym na miejscu lecha kaczynskie ktorego juz z nami nie ma :( bym nie kazal ladowac dlatego ze sie spoznie na uroczystosc w katyniu.
BARBARZYŃSKI PLAN-gdzie są ciała .... -to tragiczny montaz"wersja oficjalna"wg ktorej swiat ma wierzyc ze to byla katastrofa,ale nawet w tym fotomontazu slychac rosjan jak mowia : "TY SLYSZAL KAWO-TO PODSTRELILI?"
@antbee77 BARBARZYŃSKI PLAN-gdzie są ciała .... -to tragiczny montaz"wersja oficjalna"wg ktorej swiat ma wierzyc ze to byla katastrofa,ale nawet w tym fotomontazu slychac rosjan jak mowia : "TY SLYSZAL KAWO-TO PODSTRELILI?"
@antbee77 Have a heart. A daughter who lost both Mother & father. grandchildren who lost both grandparents, who you could see they adored. I am consoling the family and the Polish people. Jeanne in Manhattan
one thing, in Poland president does not spend money for aircraft, it has to be goverment, I don't blame specific goverment as all 3 last govermants from 3 different parties talked about that....and think that was not machine fault
Down with the incompetent and boorish Polish Government of Donald Tusk.
We demand the current Polish Government of the Prime Minister Donald Tusk to be dismissed and a new election be held after its disastrous handling of the Smolensk presidential plane crash.
It was the responsibility of this Government to plan, protect and foresee any potential problems with such an important presidential mission. This Government has failed. It failed its people. It failed its President.
@szczerbiec1960 if it was fogg how do you want to protect? if - even unspoken - pressure to land how do you want to protect? I still don't understand what's the mission of all this secteraries of state working for president, shouldn't be their job to prepare alternative option to compleate those visit??
@szczerbiec1960 A co powiesz jeśli zapis rozmów udowodni winę gen. Błasika lub prezydenta Kaczyńskiego? Ostatnie wiadomości, niestety, zbliżają nas do tego scenariusza.
All attempts to have that plane replaced were blocked by prime minister Donald Tusk. The President had to fly in the only plane he was given. The plane did not belong to him but to the Armed Forces and Polish MOD.
It's too much of a coincidence that the plane crashed. The crash plays right into the hands of the Political Ashkenazim who are interested in making Russia look like the bad guy. It was planned well ahead. The link with Katyn was exploited. Mossad does a lot of these things. You could be a victim of Mossad.
Przyczyna zgonu: MORDERSTWO.Uwazam teraz ze polacy sa w cos skorumpowani i planuje sie u nas zamach stanu lub wone. Boże uchroń! Podobno wszyscy Ambasadorzy ktorzy sa w Polsce wyjezdzaja do swoich krajow. To bardzo podejrzane. Dziennikarze milczą.
MEDIAS ARE LIARS!!!!! IT WAS A COLD BLOOD MURDER!!!!Hallo,hallo. Przeciez oni wszyscy zostali celowo zamordowani. Co z tymi pomylkowymi 10 minutami przylotu samolotu? Coz tymi zarowkami wymienianymi po katastrofie? Zamorodowano rowniez osobe ktora wrzucila na internet" pierwsze nagranie" po katastrofie prezydenta. To bylo jedyne nie skonfiskowane nagranie nie zabrane przez ruskich. Hańba!
Pytanie...dlaczego gazety milcza?...bo jakim cudem samolot byl 2.5 m od ziemi i kilometr od lotniska?zobacz...super express on line-Komputerowa symulacja katastrofy prezydenckiego Tu-154M pod Smoleńskiem
Ja mam przeczucie ze aparatura elektroniczna samolotu pokazywala pilotowi bledne polozenie i to doprowadzilo do katastrofy! byc 2.5m od ziemi to jest tylko mozliwe gdy piloci byli pewni ze sa naprowadzani na lotnisko, gdy spostrzegli blad aparatury bylo juz za pozno
Domagamy się całej prawdy o Katyniu, i nie tylko..oraz domagamy się wiedzy na temat tragedii w Smoleńsku.....Mamy do tego prawo, chcemy wiedziec!!!!!!
To nie jest zwykłe dochodzenie, dla której ukrywane są dowody dla dobra śledztwa....
My jako Naród mamy prawo wiedziec w jakich okolicznościach zginał Nasz Prezydent i wielu którzy Swoją krwią znów w Katyniu upamiętnili tą Ziemię....
liefcik... ty chybas jestes nastepny czlowiek ktury na niczym sie nie zna ale sadze ze siedzisz we wsi jakiejs w polsce i wojek kupil tobie computer i takim sposobem ten komentaz napisales bo masz IQ mniejszy niz moj numer buda wiec nie komentuj tutaj lepiej pozdrawiam ciebie i twojego wojka
@candymanplx Przypuszczam że ma więcej IQ od ciebie, popatrz na twoją pisownie.Po drugie zgadzam się z tobą w połowie, ponieważ nie powinno się tak mówić o zmarłych, mimo wszystko należy im się szacunek.
@PrzemaSss92- nie sadze ze ma skor polski jezyk jest mojim drugim jezykiem i uczylem sie go 3 lata wiec z moja ortografia nie jest najlepsza, wiec sie niemadrz glowniazu 18 letni
@Mary28Batu hard to say this huh thers still not proff only speculations huh peopl telling m,any stories both i dnt knowwht to think about it huh...... lifewill showwhts reall happen over ther huh..... therso many conciparcy theories evrywhere huh ... in some of them i do belife bth about this one hard to say anything huh
@bobisnohere1 :))) You don't know anyhting, because you arn't Polish. Kaczynski was a political monster. Apart from that his political career was over. So there was no reason for killing such a little pitiful creature. :))))
@bobisnohere1 tht a facts mate huh bth now only speculations huh hard t say anything about it huh.... thers no proff tht was sombodys job idk wth to think about t myslef huh
Poland joined Nato and thus allowed US to place misiles and other military equipment there. Russia hates Poland. Russia poisoned the Ukrainian President because he was not Pro-Russia, Russia killed Alexander Litvenenko because he exposed the many murders committed by KGB / FSB of innocent people eg Anna Politskaya.
Putin still has the same Cold war mentality, that's why Russia has been selling weapons to Iran, Syria, Sudan, Most muslim terrorists and countries that support terrorism
@bobisnohere1 USA has bee supporting terrorism since world war II. Who financed and profited from war in south america/ central america? sold and bought drugs and guns? Iran back in the 70's-80's, Afganistan, Bin Laden for gods sakes?? As long as USA behaves like a bully there will be someone opposing it.
Please accept our MOST SINCERE APOLOGY since, shamefully, no one from our so-called gov't showed up at the Kaczynskis' funeral. We're very ashamed of that! The reson being that the current persons in power, both president & pm, are not even Croats at heart let alone that they do everything possible to shame the Croat nation in their actions...
... On the contrary, great many of us were glued to the tv watching the entire funeral, while the candles were burning in our homes & we were absolutely ONE WITH YOU during the funeral mass.
We are sending our kindest reagrds to you with a wish that your next president will continue along the path of traditional Polish values keeping your identity very strong!
Political Ashkenazim on this site (pf126p) doing their thing: dividing & conquering. Setting up Polish vs Russia. Sowing mistrust between neighbors though it was a MOSSAD black op. The eternal Political Ashkenazim lead the dumb goyim astray & use them for their own purposes. If a Political Ashkenazi says it was Russia, you'd better believe it wasn't them. It has MOSSAD's handiwork all over it. Dumb goyim are no match for the wily Ashkenazim. Goyim will walk into trap set by Political Ashkenazim.
Shabbos goy Kaczynski got killed by MOSSAD in black op because Political Ashkenazim want Poland to start war with Russia. Poland thinks it is strong because NATO allies behind them but she will find herself betrayed just like in WW2. Russia will CRUSH Poland again & Poland will experience a second Katyn. Poor Poland, eternal dupes of the Political Ashkenazim.
@martini9799 Andrei Mendierej, the person who recorded the video minutes after crash was stabbed in Kiev 15 April 2010, send to hospital and apparently stabbed again to dead !
His youtube channel was quickly removed and the account is deleted!
Did you look and hear the video ? What's important is that you can hear clear and loud (gun) shoots in that video (in the final seconds) !
The corporate media is tryin hard to block this info ! The small ones are already pushing the story !
@secretarul wow tht reall srange if its truth huh idk wht to say about it i herd tht gun shots ther huh bth it can be a amuntion blowing up in fire from guys from security huh hard t say anyuthong right now i know ther an investigation about it bth peopl do say many stories about it huh....... hope we wil know the thruth soon
Samolot prezydencki byl wyposazony w tzw. TAWS (Terrain Awareness and Warning System). Urządzenie to z odpowiednim wyprzedzeniem informuje pilotów o zbliżaniu się do przeszkód typu wzgórze, czy też maszt antenowy. System reaguje także w momencie, gdy samolot leci zbyt nisko lub gdy zbyt szybko traci wysokość i gdy grozi mu rozbicie, ostrzegając pilotów przed ewentualnym zagrożeniem.... nasuwa sie pytanie co sie naprawde stalo?
Tymczasem, jak podała na swojej stronie internetowej białoruska gazeta „Wieści Witebska, na lotnisku pod Smoleńskiem mogło nie działać oświetlenie naprowadzające samoloty na pas startowy. Dziennikarz po godzinie od katastrofy sfotografował wojskowych i milicjantów wymieniających żarówki w lampach.
Very sad, some of the Russian KGB, FSB leaders will stop at nothing for power. Murder their own innocent people! Communism has murdered 20, 000,000 people in Russia alone, by Stalin, not counting all the people after!
President Kaczynski was very brave and deserving person, he always was a defender of Democracy and liberty of Polish people,and it's more tragic that he and all delegation have died on the way of Katini tragedy place.
I sympathazie Polish people in their sorrow.
World has lost a very important person and politician.
@RussianPower1974 With all due respect, RussianPower, which ain't much . . . . Communism requires Totalitarian authority ! Whether it was Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, or Kim Jung-il those ruthless bastards have to murder anyone who has a shred of intelligence so that they can't spread the truth. Truth is , as Thomas. Jefferson put it "(Humans are)....endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Communism SUCKS !!
Poles are silly & weak. AND stupid too. Am I supposed to feel bad there is one less shabbos goy in the world? Am I responsible for his death? Am I to blame for MOSSAD'S actions? Did Kaczynski care when Sth Ossetians & Russians died when his friend Sashkavilli rolled tanks into South Ossetia? Did Kaczynski mourn the victims of the Political Ashkenazi: Palestinians, Iraqis, Afghanis & many others? Will Poland run screaming in fear to NATO allies like they ran screaming in fear to Allies in WW2?
You Fucker,don't you dare to say that polish are weak and silly!!!...i m polish and i agree that this airplane should have been took it away some time ago it was old,but dont say such things about polish people,you are showing that you are nothing,complite zero talking that way especially in this tragic moment,when so many fathers and mothers lost their familys.just think next time and put yourself in situation of those people who are in mourning now!
@katlana25 Waking up to the true nature of Political Ashkenazim will do more to prevent further incidents of this kind than getting mad at me. I'm not the one who murdered him, who false flagged him. MOSSAD are guilty, not me. I am just telling it like it is. Poland is weak; it depends on allies- first the US&UK allies pre-WW2 & now NATO allies pre-WW3. They're stupid aligning with Political Ashkenazim in view of what happened to Poles in WW2 - betrayed & deceived. Walking right into Katyn 2.
Poles foolishly ally with the Political Ashkenazim (Israel) when it is MOSSAD that blows up their shabbos goy Prez Kaczynski in false flag incident designed to smear Russians & incite antagonism against Russians. The stupid & weak Poles walk right into trap. Political Ashkenazim will use Poles to start WW3 like they used them to start WW2. Dumb Poles haven't learned their lesson yet & are destined to be schooled by the Russians all over again. Missile shield doesn't protect Poles as they think.
Weak & silly Poland destined to suffer again as Poles keep making the wrong alliances & trusting the wrong people. They ally themselves with NATO when the west does not care about Poles & will leave them high & dry once war happens on Polish soil. The Poles have become political Ashkenazim worshippers & have allowed Political Ashkenazim to infiltrate their country & take over policy making. Will end badly for Poles who will be betrayed by the West AGAIN. Foolish Poles will suffer a 2nd Katyn.
20 years is not an age for an aircraft, especially when it's well maintained. I think this one was. The only reason, why thу most companies refuse using them: they are to noisy and big fuelconsumers. And not because of safety reson.
"Kaczyński was reluctant to replace it" - it is a lie. The government and Donald Tusk didn't want to replace it. The plane was rarely available for Kaczynski due to Tusk's party criticism over president's (Kaczynski) use of the plane. Kaczynski had to almost beg the government to borrow the plane. Instead, he had to ride train or a car.
These politicians (especially Kaczynski, Wasserman, Kurtyka) was hateful POLITICAL MONSTRES, they caused deep splits in Polish society. So many, many peole in Poland are really happy! :) ****Thousands of people stage protests over a decision to bury Kaczynski in Wawel (Wawel in Krakow - a place reserved for Poland's kings and heroes.)
In the light of this great tragedy which has fallen upon you, we extend our heartfelt condolences to all of you. Please know that you are in our prayers, both in churches and at homes, at these difficult times.
May the Lord give the victims repose in His heavenly kingdom and may you all grow from stronger roots as you strive along your path into the future.
This is lead-up to WW3, WW2 Replay. The Shabbos Goy Poles are being set up against the Russkies. The smart Political Ashkenazim use the stupid and weak Poles to provoke Russia and start a war. Missile shield & NATO will not help Poland who will run screaming with fear to NATO allies. Russia will invade Poland again. Another Katyn will happen. Clever Political Ashkenazim succeed once again in divide & conquer. Goyim are too dumb to see through brilliant Political Ashkenazim false flags & schemes.
Mossad are expert in plane false flag detonation as we all know. Political ashkenazim used their shabbos goy house-boy no 1 shameless bootlicker butt-kisser in a false flag attack aimed at turning Poles against Russians. Dumb Poles will be manipulated by the political ashkenazim to start war with Russia. It will be WW2 redux. Poles will go screaming in fear to NATO allies when Russians invade Poland. Missile shield won't protect them.
@Youreallsheople your an idiot. do you know anything about russia? the zionists still run russia and always will. this "plane crash" was staged by the globalist zio-commies. the former commies now liberals who were to fly didnt thats why the death toll was 90+ not 132 as thought in the begining
@smokeyjayshouse Stupid, Did Russkies blow up Twin Towers on 9/11? Did they drag USA into war in Middle East with false flags in London, Spain, Bali? Kaczynski plane crash - MOSSAD false flag to incite Poles against Russkies. Poles are shabbos goyim. They have missile shield pointing to Russia. Political Ashkenazim rule the world because the goyim like you are so dumb.
@smokeyjayshouse Zionist is outdated term. Political Ashkenazim is better. It does not include the Jews who do not want to be part of this political force. Many Communists were Jews. So what? China & USSR were communist. They had cold war with political-Ashkenazim ruled USA. USA is political Ashkenazim Supreme Shabbos-Goy and their catspaw. Political Ashkenazim attacked Russia via Georgia. Political Ashkenazim do not like Russkies because they do not go with the program (bomb Iran) unlike US.
@smokeyjayshouse Anyway I don't like talking to dummies. Think what you like. MOSSAD did this & they did Moscow metro attack & they did 9/11. Israel did USS Liberty false flag, King David Hotel false flag, Berlin La Belle disco false flag, Lavon Affair false flag, Beirut Barracks false flag, Libya Pan Am Lockerbie false flag. Think it's the CIA or the FSB/Russia who did it, if you like. It doesn't make any difference to me. I already know goyim are dumb & that's why ashkenazim rule them.
@GOTLiox10 listen communist go to hell with your advise we will do what is good for us , if you gay do not come to Poland sick people like that should go to hospitals in soviet union or germany and rest of "west europe "
you know than i have the same immpresion about Kennedy means i was sure then soviets killed him because he sopped them in Cuba . thank you for that you are first person who sad that
Accept my condolences on the death of your president & his wife.
tupolev airplanes are very cheap ass airplanes, in Iran it has taken many lives. I hope that one day the "president" off Iran ahmadinejad terrorist will die in a crash.
you lying soviet dog. to nie President Kaczynski only Tusk and why you do not mentioned where and who renovated this junk . You bolsheviks did it ..and under control of putin gangsters they prepare plane to future crash . or control tower gave wrong direction for polish pilot . and FOG was last witness of this murder .
@wojbert You bolsheviks did it!!!!!!!! Putin hit Lech Kazcynski because he was a man who killed John Kennedy?!!!! That is the question! Why he killed Kennedy??? This is the second biggest question!!!!
If anyone thinks that this tragic crash was due to the Tu-154 they are sick puppies. I would fly on this type of aircraft any day! My I offer my deepest condolences to Polish People on this tragic event.
@canamwing You go right ahead and board one. The Tu-154 has a horrible track record.
"According to the Aviation Safety Network, there have been 66 crashes involving Tu-154s, including six in the past five years. The Russian carrier Aeroflot recently withdrew its Tu-154 fleet from service." (Time)
@misio310 Your "but" doesn't make any sens. What's a point to put in equation the whole company? It's like you want to put into the same category cars and transport trucks. Besides that which year you want to start from? 1916 when Boeing was founded or maybe 1922, the year Tupolev began his business? There is no point to compare planes outside of their class and era. And what about hours in air, number of takeoff and landing?
So maybe you will start with your statistics? I'd like to see it
@misio310 "...according to calculations made by the London-based aviation consultancy Ascend ... the Tu-154 has suffered a fatal accident for every 431,200 flights, compared with Boeing 737s record of one fatal crash for each 2.68-million flights." (Christian Science Monitor)
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baka namanpinlano ung plane crash para mapalitan na ung presidente ng poland
The1211deep 2 months ago
For those people comparing the TU-154 with the 737 you must be idiots!
There are many types of 737's, starting from the 737-100 all the way to the 737-900 so there's your reason for the sheer number of aircraft built. The best aircraft to compare the TU-154 would be the 727.
727 (1831 built) - 113 hull losses
TU-154 (1025 built) - 69 hull losses
We can see that the TU-154 is just as safe as the 727. Plus take note that the TU-154 operates in worse conditions than the 727.
bboyjamaica 5 months ago
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Watch "Letter from Poland" - Kaczynski was assasinated!
polonophobia 11 months ago
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krzycho0103 1 year ago
I do not know how this happened. I think it was an accident, and sometimes that the coup. This information shocked me. Although I am a Pole I think some sympathy for the Poles or Russians. † Eternal rest grant unto them, sir †
krzycho0103 1 year ago
There is an old tool to find out the truth for Polish and Russian people - drink the drops of Danish king:)
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xnaturalis 1 year ago
Well, news should give a shit about this plane because this plane is good..And wasn`t plane`s guilt that it crashed..
DirtyThing20 1 year ago
think twice before you write anything you scumbag , u best go and lick all over Kaczynski's fanny and stop being such a dickhead.
hudziszeq 1 year ago
watch?v=LuieS1cQH3s
CrusadeNR4 1 year ago
Shows so,, that messages of controllers of (inspectors of) flights (lot) were with error, which (who) totaled (take away; amount to) in last phase 800 meters near. When controller (inspector) said on rate „ 2 and there was aircraft at distance of 2.8 from threshold of strip path km ” and there was below path. Aircraft has impacted distances from airport to land (earth) approximately. Erroneous directing of russian in day 10.04.2010 Tu-154m!
wodnik701 1 year ago
Would u like to ban me from international websites? Well Russians did similar thing in 18th and 19th and 20th century. (Just to let u know there werent any websites back then :))
Spostrzegacz 1 year ago
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RUSSIA = SHIT PLANES
miamad 1 year ago
haha i say it was ment to land there... the russians had the plane 5 months before the flight was maid, the had it for checking... i wouldn't be surpriesd if russia had, everything to do with the problems with that plane
maggokaggoerabbo 1 year ago
@maggokaggoerabbo
brainwashed paranoid bullshit
FreeYourMind911 1 year ago
Another lie, the plane was not performing well after the recent renovation!!!
Spostrzegacz 1 year ago
This is a complete lie! The Kaczyński wanted the plane to be replaced long time before the tragedy happened. Everything was acctually prepared to buy a different plane but the new government scrapped that preaprations and decided to use TUPOLEV longer explaining that it was cheaper. This was their famouse "cheap country" campaign. So please do not publish something like this
Spostrzegacz 1 year ago 2
@Spostrzegacz oh u fucking dumbarse, why would you chat so much shit on the international website?! Like it wasn't enough that polish forums are filled up with hundreds of conspiracy theories written by all these idiots.. Kaczynski was the one who didn't accept the governments suggestions ( well he ALWAYS used to spite on governments' suggestions and reforms ) therefore this attempt of getting new planes ended up in failure..I'm not Tusk follower, dont give a shit bout Poland either.
hudziszeq 1 year ago
@hudziszeq FACTS u idiot! Do not throw ur crap at me. Question any of those facts that I gave and then we can speak. Governments suggestion was NOT to buy a plane and they didnt, it is not connected whit any actions of Lech Kaczynski.
Spostrzegacz 1 year ago
@hudziszeq How do you know what are polish forum filled with? FUCKING RUSSIAN SPY! Or "useful idiot" as Stalin used to say. BACK OFF. I am not speaking with people like u.
Spostrzegacz 1 year ago
@Spostrzegacz how come i know ? cuz I'm polish (i'd even risk to say "unfortunately" as I'm really embarrassed n ashamed of being one of them idiots n u're another reason why i want to get rid of this emblem of nationality ) therefore whether i want or not i hear and read much about all this crap and sometimes I cant believe my eyes in what ppl talk about this accident (for instance : fake fog spreaded by russians, shooting down the survivers , shooting down the whole plane, dodgy radio freq.)
hudziszeq 1 year ago
@hudziszeq After looking at your comments there is only one explanation of you behaviour u r treator or "useful idiot" or russian spy. Not going to speak with u any more. URB.
Spostrzegacz 1 year ago
@Spostrzegacz oh by the way - calling me russian spy exactly explains to everyone out there of what kind of person you are.. any comments on this are just completely pointless.
hudziszeq 1 year ago
@hudziszeq After looking at your comments there is only one explanation of you behaviour u r treator or "useful idiot" or russian spy. Not going to speak with u any more. URB.
Spostrzegacz 1 year ago
lol.. Russians do everything to change the subject back to a plane that was still very reliable, durable and was getting the job done. It is the fault of their own Smolensk aircraft controllers that this crash happened. Shifting the blame back to a plane that they themselves serviced is idiotic. Typical Russian mentality.
Philly2002 1 year ago
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@Philly2002 A 2006 ICAO study which looked at 30 years of Russian plane operations found that 1) regional turboprops and wide-body airliners were significantly safer then western equivalents at all levels, 2) narrow bodied airliners had similar safety levels to those of comparable western airliners (even though models such as the 154 operated in harsh climatic conditions/unpaved runways). The safest narrow-body airliner over 30 yrs was IL-62M (no fatalities worldwide between 1989-2009).
av21031 1 year ago
@av21031 It's interesting- you say that Il-62 was the safest narrow-body airliner in 30 years and you've decided to mention its safety record for only 20 years between 1989-2009 (there was fatal accident in 2009). If you really look at 30 years of operation (1979-2009) then you'll notice that there were 7 accidents with fatalities where was Il-62 involved. That is as many as in case of B-757 over the same period (it was introduced in 1983). And Boeing made 1050 of them.
rrynek 1 year ago
@rrynek Actually I said the Il-62M was the safest over a period of 30 years. The ICAO didn't separate original Il-62 from Il-62M as study was not that detailed. The B 757 was introduced in 1983 but I don't know of Russian airliners (Il or otherwise) introduced since 1983 that have any civilian fatalities over the same period. So you can't compare planes from different generations or classes.
av21031 1 year ago
@av21031 Why not? You keep comparing DC-8 and B-707 to Il-62 or Il-62M ignoring the fact that both Western designs were introduced in 1958, i.e. 9 and 15 years before Soviet planes. You didn't mention what generations of planes you had in mind when you said that Il-62M was the safest narrow-body airliner over 30 years, and you cannot claim it was ICAO's opinion because it was not. ICAO compared safety of planes from different generations and classes, including turboprops.
rrynek 1 year ago
@rrynek Every source I have ever seen lists the Il-62 as having comparable specs to the B-707, VC10, DC8. Do you not agree with that? I didn't state that ICAO concluded that the Il-62M was the safest narrow body - as I just stated they didn't separate Il-62 from Il-62M. Wikipedia however does list the Il-62M as having the lowest hull loss rate amongst comparable planes (3 fatal incidents over 30 years). I'm sure this information is correct.
av21031 1 year ago
@av21031 But when you mentioned ICAO report you forgot to say it was only your opinion that Il-62M was the safest narrow-body airliner over 30 years, not ICAO's. By the way- they didn't refer to Russia only but they wrote about USSR and its former republics and planes designed and built in USSR. When ICAO compared safety records of various planes they didn't look at hull loss rate or the number of planes lost but they compared the number of accidents per 100000 flight hours.
rrynek 1 year ago
@rrynek It is not my opinion but are stats sourced from aviation safety sites. The wikipedia entries on VC10, Il-62 and B 707 are well referenced and use ASN and other aviation safety data. The IL-62 and VC10 wikipedia sites are comprehensive and list every hull loss as well as every fatal 'incident' (some other sites only list fatal accidents). Of course some might still consider the Il-62M to be unsafe no matter what the facts are, but statistics don't lie and are not subjective.
av21031 1 year ago
@av21031 I wonder if you've ever heard this phrase: "Lies, damned lies and statistics" :) You use one type of statistics ICAO the other and you end up with completely different conclusions. ICAO compared number of accident per 100000 flights and that's because it's obvious that planes which don't fly very frequently are not likely to have an accident.
rrynek 1 year ago
@rrynek Please read my posts more carefully. As I said the hull loss data is from Wikipedia sourced from aviation safety sites. I mentioned the ICAO originally in relation to the Tu-154.
av21031 1 year ago
@av21031 Would you tell me which ICAO publication you had in mind?
rrynek 1 year ago
@rrynek That is not necessarily correct. Wikipedia mentions that the period of no fatal Il-62 accidents (any version) was in the two decades when the highest number were in service (rather than earlier). That may be because airlines and pilots built up experience with maintenance and landing characteristics, esp on wet runways and reverse thrust etc .Incidentally Aeroflot's Il-62s dispatch rate was 97% and some were flying 17 hrs/day.
av21031 1 year ago
@rrynek I note that you state that the B 727 was "best in the world on flight safety" in its class and yet the Tu 154 (its equivalent) has almost identical hull loss rates (6.3 vs 6.0%) even though operating in more difficult areas/conditions. A breakdown of accident causes also shows far more 727 losses due to mechnical failure whilst most 154 losses were due to factors totally unrelated to the plane. That would suggest that the 154 is probably even safer than the 727.
av21031 1 year ago
@av21031 An opinion about B-727 is not really mine- I used almost exactly the same words as ICAO in their document about flight safety of planes designed and built in former Soviet Union. And they didn't say anything about hull loss rates or hull losses, because such information doesn't give any information about how intensely the plane was used. Instead ICAO prefers to speak about number of accidents per 100000 flight hours.
rrynek 1 year ago
@rrynek Most accidents happen at takeoff or landing so total flight hrs alone don't consider the number of cycles. I know some Tu-134s had high cycle rates (up to 6 flights/day) but don't know how its use compared with the 154. With regard to B-727, one youtube mentioned a study comparing causes of accidents in B-727 with Tu-154. Mechanical or technical failure featured in 73 accidents of the B-727, but only 8 of the Tu-154. So from that aspect, the 154 looks to be the safer plane.
av21031 1 year ago
@av21031 That's why I considered it funny when you said "statistics don't lie"- in general they are a simplification and they show certain bias. In this particular situation ICAO decided to rely on one type of statistical data because it is 'generally accepted', according to them.
rrynek 1 year ago
@rrynek Statistics don't lie - it's just how someone interprets them. Hull loss rate is often used because it is a good measure of attrition over time. But it can also be misleading if you leave out the 'time' aspect. Superficially the VC-10 appears to have the same hull loss rate as the Il-62M (7.7%) but it was in service for less than half the time so that has to be taken into consideration.
av21031 1 year ago
@av21031 Hull loss rate is not reliable because it doesn't give you information on how the plane was used, how it was lost etc. A good example is B720- one of planes derived from B707, 11 were lost in terrorist attacks, destroyed by Israeli army etc. and total number of planes lost was 23 out of 154 made. Hull loss itself doesn't contain information about 'time' and you have to use other statistics to find it out.
rrynek 1 year ago
@rrynek That is true. In the case of the VC-10 hull loss rate of 7.8%, the three planes destroyed by terrorists were excluded in the calculation because of the low number of planes produced and lost over a short period of service. If you include them you get an unusually high hull loss rate which is misleading.
av21031 1 year ago
@av21031 But I've noticed myself what you've just pointed out, i.e this particular comparison favours long range planes, because B-737s or Tu-134s need more flights to reach the same number of flight hours as B-707 or Il-62 and landings are the most dangerous part of flight. On the other hand long-haul flights, compared to shorter ones, add such elements of risk like crew's fatigue or long distance from airports( for example when planes fly over Pacific).
rrynek 1 year ago
@av21031 Nevertheless number of flight hours flown by plane is a good indication of intensity of its use. I would also like to notice that B-737, DC-9 and B-727 achieved better results than B-707 and DC-8, but after all they were introduced later.
rrynek 1 year ago
@av21031 The very same ICAO report, which compares planes built and designed in USSR with Western ones, also provides information about accidents caused by mechanical failures for both groups of planes. Tu-154 and B-727 were given as an example. In case of Tu-154 20 accidents were caused by problems with landing-gear, 6 were engine related, 2 were result of control system failure, and one by other system- 29 accidents in total. For B-727 it was-43, 17, 2, 5, respectively for systems mentioned.
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av21031 1 year ago
@av21031 So that was 80 accidents of B-727 in total. But you also need to remember that there were more B-727s built( nearly twice as many), and even today there's twice as many of them in use compared to Tu-154 (nearly 400 vs 200). Typical B-727 also was used for longer both in terms of years in service and flight hours logged.
rrynek 1 year ago
@av21031 You've forgotten about Tu-154M. It was a substantial redesign of previous versions and it was introduced in 1984/5
rrynek 1 year ago
@av21031 Apparently ICAO published different versions of this study in different languages because I've read an English version and it says that B-727 was the best in the world on flight safety in group of of narrow-body first and second generation planes and its safety level is close to high standard of fourth generation wide-body planes.
rrynek 1 year ago
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go to hell stupid alkoholic motherfucker kaczynski
baruchmartin 1 year ago
@baruchmartin nie pyskuj żydowski cwelu, twój dziadzio był tylko mydłem - mój sobie nim dupe czyścił
pieprzycZielonych 1 year ago
Wow, so Aeroflot retired their 154s last year... RT are spinning something here (as ever), but what is it? Surprisingly, they seem to imply that the crash was in some way related to the aircraft type... not what I would have expected. What did I miss here, guys? (I should point out that I was very saddened by this event, I've enjoyed numerouis trips to Poland and the hospitality of the Polish people. Also I saw both the Polish 154s at Warsaw airport last time I was there in 2006).
sightscreen66 1 year ago
How could they know if he liked it or not? I mean, if they had a quote or something.
Lech Kaczynski was a smart man, and the best President Poland ever had. I realised that only after his death, on how stupid I was to support the opposition before. Now I will always be after his party, because his brother now, is the only man that can save Poland from being sold to Russia and Germany.
Lech Kaczynski knew, that replacing the TU-154M would come from the hand of taxs payers, that's why he didn't.
ClassicMusicOnly 1 year ago
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PeacefulVids 1 year ago
this is very good plane, what damn shit are they looking for?..Plane didn`t crash because it was bad or something..
DirtyThing20 1 year ago
If you believe this was an accident you must be really naive.
tomasko21 1 year ago
skrzynki sa juz odczytane i to nie wina pilota.
samolot byl jeszcze jako tako ale pamietacie?? mieli leciec do haiti z tym samololotem ale jakos polecieli :D juz mowili ze lech kaczynski im kazal ladowac w lesie bo bal sie ze sie spozni ja bym na miejscu lecha kaczynskie ktorego juz z nami nie ma :( bym nie kazal ladowac dlatego ze sie spoznie na uroczystosc w katyniu.
Przerabiacz1994 1 year ago
BARBARZYŃSKI PLAN-gdzie są ciała .... -to tragiczny montaz"wersja oficjalna"wg ktorej swiat ma wierzyc ze to byla katastrofa,ale nawet w tym fotomontazu slychac rosjan jak mowia : "TY SLYSZAL KAWO-TO PODSTRELILI?"
sviti72 1 year ago
fuck u all
antbee77 1 year ago 2
@antbee77 BARBARZYŃSKI PLAN-gdzie są ciała .... -to tragiczny montaz"wersja oficjalna"wg ktorej swiat ma wierzyc ze to byla katastrofa,ale nawet w tym fotomontazu slychac rosjan jak mowia : "TY SLYSZAL KAWO-TO PODSTRELILI?"
sviti72 1 year ago
@antbee77 fuck your mum
Przerabiacz1994 1 year ago
@Przerabiacz1994 fuck u, u little cunt.
antbee77 1 year ago
@antbee77 Have some respect! These people died. :-(
My heart goes to the family & the people of Poland.
Jeanne in Manhattan
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
@Jeannenyc57 because of the pressure ofthe officials (again)... what you know?
antbee77 1 year ago
@antbee77 Pardon me?
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
@antbee77 Have a heart. A daughter who lost both Mother & father. grandchildren who lost both grandparents, who you could see they adored. I am consoling the family and the Polish people. Jeanne in Manhattan
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
i think am a pilot and am a police as well too so dnt tell me what i did
AlbanianAirline 1 year ago
one thing, in Poland president does not spend money for aircraft, it has to be goverment, I don't blame specific goverment as all 3 last govermants from 3 different parties talked about that....and think that was not machine fault
MsAppleeater 1 year ago
Down with the incompetent and boorish Polish Government of Donald Tusk.
We demand the current Polish Government of the Prime Minister Donald Tusk to be dismissed and a new election be held after its disastrous handling of the Smolensk presidential plane crash.
It was the responsibility of this Government to plan, protect and foresee any potential problems with such an important presidential mission. This Government has failed. It failed its people. It failed its President.
szczerbiec1960 1 year ago
@szczerbiec1960 if it was fogg how do you want to protect? if - even unspoken - pressure to land how do you want to protect? I still don't understand what's the mission of all this secteraries of state working for president, shouldn't be their job to prepare alternative option to compleate those visit??
MsAppleeater 1 year ago
@szczerbiec1960 A co powiesz jeśli zapis rozmów udowodni winę gen. Błasika lub prezydenta Kaczyńskiego? Ostatnie wiadomości, niestety, zbliżają nas do tego scenariusza.
MISZCZU6 1 year ago
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(18+) SMOLEŃSK FOTOS!!! po katastrofie!! link do ściągnięcia >>> w moim profilu.
Ukrainemedia 1 year ago
time4sliwa to stop bs ing in chicago spiski teorie i inni!
GildyGury 1 year ago
if he was reluctant his fault he always pressed ppl2hury
GildyGury 1 year ago
All attempts to have that plane replaced were blocked by prime minister Donald Tusk. The President had to fly in the only plane he was given. The plane did not belong to him but to the Armed Forces and Polish MOD.
Delvenaar78 1 year ago
It's too much of a coincidence that the plane crashed. The crash plays right into the hands of the Political Ashkenazim who are interested in making Russia look like the bad guy. It was planned well ahead. The link with Katyn was exploited. Mossad does a lot of these things. You could be a victim of Mossad.
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
Przyczyna zgonu: MORDERSTWO.Uwazam teraz ze polacy sa w cos skorumpowani i planuje sie u nas zamach stanu lub wone. Boże uchroń! Podobno wszyscy Ambasadorzy ktorzy sa w Polsce wyjezdzaja do swoich krajow. To bardzo podejrzane. Dziennikarze milczą.
ilewandowska1 1 year ago
@ilewandowska1 sranie w banie...
lukaszbednarz2 1 year ago
B R Z Y D K I E K A C Z A T K O
Bylo raz kacze niechciane,
przez wszystkich w glos wysmiewane
Kacze skakalo, skakalo,
Po trawie sie rozmazalo.
Komu by przyszlo do glowy?
Bohater on dzis narodowy!
Nic dodac, nic ujac :)
SzaryWilkSamotnik 1 year ago
MEDIAS ARE LIARS!!!!! IT WAS A COLD BLOOD MURDER!!!!Hallo,hallo. Przeciez oni wszyscy zostali celowo zamordowani. Co z tymi pomylkowymi 10 minutami przylotu samolotu? Coz tymi zarowkami wymienianymi po katastrofie? Zamorodowano rowniez osobe ktora wrzucila na internet" pierwsze nagranie" po katastrofie prezydenta. To bylo jedyne nie skonfiskowane nagranie nie zabrane przez ruskich. Hańba!
ilewandowska1 1 year ago
It's the 727ski!
pete5668 1 year ago
Russians did that.
molenda12 1 year ago
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This is a very strange accident. No doubts that Russians killed this people.
Mary28Batu 1 year ago
"Polak wegier dwa bratanki" In this tragedy we cry with you, we feel with you.
My deepest condelences from Hungary. Our brotherhood will last forever !
kovaxpi 1 year ago
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Pytanie...dlaczego gazety milcza?...bo jakim cudem samolot byl 2.5 m od ziemi i kilometr od lotniska?zobacz...super express on line-Komputerowa symulacja katastrofy prezydenckiego Tu-154M pod Smoleńskiem
Ja mam przeczucie ze aparatura elektroniczna samolotu pokazywala pilotowi bledne polozenie i to doprowadzilo do katastrofy! byc 2.5m od ziemi to jest tylko mozliwe gdy piloci byli pewni ze sa naprowadzani na lotnisko, gdy spostrzegli blad aparatury bylo juz za pozno
imarsteel 1 year ago
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Domagamy się całej prawdy o Katyniu, i nie tylko..oraz domagamy się wiedzy na temat tragedii w Smoleńsku.....Mamy do tego prawo, chcemy wiedziec!!!!!!
To nie jest zwykłe dochodzenie, dla której ukrywane są dowody dla dobra śledztwa....
My jako Naród mamy prawo wiedziec w jakich okolicznościach zginał Nasz Prezydent i wielu którzy Swoją krwią znów w Katyniu upamiętnili tą Ziemię....
topolska1 1 year ago
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thesmolensktruth 1 year ago
liefcik... ty chybas jestes nastepny czlowiek ktury na niczym sie nie zna ale sadze ze siedzisz we wsi jakiejs w polsce i wojek kupil tobie computer i takim sposobem ten komentaz napisales bo masz IQ mniejszy niz moj numer buda wiec nie komentuj tutaj lepiej pozdrawiam ciebie i twojego wojka
candymanplx 1 year ago
@candymanplx Przypuszczam że ma więcej IQ od ciebie, popatrz na twoją pisownie.Po drugie zgadzam się z tobą w połowie, ponieważ nie powinno się tak mówić o zmarłych, mimo wszystko należy im się szacunek.
PrzemaSss92 1 year ago
@PrzemaSss92- nie sadze ze ma skor polski jezyk jest mojim drugim jezykiem i uczylem sie go 3 lata wiec z moja ortografia nie jest najlepsza, wiec sie niemadrz glowniazu 18 letni
candymanplx 1 year ago
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PrzemaSss92 1 year ago
zginął debil i reszta kanalii. Oby więcej takich jaj. Nie szkoda mi ich, nikogo.
liefcik 1 year ago
This is a very strange accident. No doubts that Russians killed this people
Mary28Batu 1 year ago
@Mary28Batu hard to say this huh thers still not proff only speculations huh peopl telling m,any stories both i dnt knowwht to think about it huh...... lifewill showwhts reall happen over ther huh..... therso many conciparcy theories evrywhere huh ... in some of them i do belife bth about this one hard to say anything huh
martini9799 1 year ago
Russia kill Polish leaders
Poland vetoed cooperation between EU Union & Russia, which were to begin at EU-Russia summit on November 24.
War in South Ossetia in August 2008, Kaczynski announced his full support for Georgia.
After Russian Georgian war, Poland accepted US proposal to deploy missile defense system.
Kaczynski's was to free Europe from Russian gas dependence with production of its own gas. Poland could become the largest European supplier!
bobisnohere1 1 year ago
@bobisnohere1 Poland has a lot of gas? I know that we have lots of coal but I never heard about gas.
CRACOVIA1515 1 year ago
@CRACOVIA1515 yes we gat a lot of gas.. sources of it are all along wisla from north towards south..americans are going to dig it in poland..
miszczmateusz 1 year ago
@miszczmateusz Well I hope that we are the ones who dig it up and not the Americans;)
CRACOVIA1515 1 year ago
@bobisnohere1
And so the shit-stirring troll comes.
DeathlyReaper217 1 year ago
@bobisnohere1 :))) You don't know anyhting, because you arn't Polish. Kaczynski was a political monster. Apart from that his political career was over. So there was no reason for killing such a little pitiful creature. :))))
Anyway, there's really good thet he is gone :)
SzaryWilkSamotnik 1 year ago
@bobisnohere1 tht a facts mate huh bth now only speculations huh hard t say anything about it huh.... thers no proff tht was sombodys job idk wth to think about t myslef huh
martini9799 1 year ago
Poland joined Nato and thus allowed US to place misiles and other military equipment there. Russia hates Poland. Russia poisoned the Ukrainian President because he was not Pro-Russia, Russia killed Alexander Litvenenko because he exposed the many murders committed by KGB / FSB of innocent people eg Anna Politskaya.
Putin still has the same Cold war mentality, that's why Russia has been selling weapons to Iran, Syria, Sudan, Most muslim terrorists and countries that support terrorism
bobisnohere1 1 year ago
@bobisnohere1 USA has bee supporting terrorism since world war II. Who financed and profited from war in south america/ central america? sold and bought drugs and guns? Iran back in the 70's-80's, Afganistan, Bin Laden for gods sakes?? As long as USA behaves like a bully there will be someone opposing it.
ny151151 1 year ago 2
Everyone knows that russians killed polish president. he was fighting for freedom for others countries - Georgia and Ukraine.
molenda12 1 year ago 2
Dear Poles around the world:
Please accept our MOST SINCERE APOLOGY since, shamefully, no one from our so-called gov't showed up at the Kaczynskis' funeral. We're very ashamed of that! The reson being that the current persons in power, both president & pm, are not even Croats at heart let alone that they do everything possible to shame the Croat nation in their actions...
103forpeace 1 year ago
... On the contrary, great many of us were glued to the tv watching the entire funeral, while the candles were burning in our homes & we were absolutely ONE WITH YOU during the funeral mass.
We are sending our kindest reagrds to you with a wish that your next president will continue along the path of traditional Polish values keeping your identity very strong!
Yours sincerely, CROATS
103forpeace 1 year ago
Political Ashkenazim on this site (pf126p) doing their thing: dividing & conquering. Setting up Polish vs Russia. Sowing mistrust between neighbors though it was a MOSSAD black op. The eternal Political Ashkenazim lead the dumb goyim astray & use them for their own purposes. If a Political Ashkenazi says it was Russia, you'd better believe it wasn't them. It has MOSSAD's handiwork all over it. Dumb goyim are no match for the wily Ashkenazim. Goyim will walk into trap set by Political Ashkenazim.
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
Shabbos goy Kaczynski got killed by MOSSAD in black op because Political Ashkenazim want Poland to start war with Russia. Poland thinks it is strong because NATO allies behind them but she will find herself betrayed just like in WW2. Russia will CRUSH Poland again & Poland will experience a second Katyn. Poor Poland, eternal dupes of the Political Ashkenazim.
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
@Youreallsheople wtf yopu talkin about huh are u on crack or somthing huh?get a life mate or change ur doctor huh
martini9799 1 year ago
@martini9799 Andrei Mendierej, the person who recorded the video minutes after crash was stabbed in Kiev 15 April 2010, send to hospital and apparently stabbed again to dead !
His youtube channel was quickly removed and the account is deleted!
Did you look and hear the video ? What's important is that you can hear clear and loud (gun) shoots in that video (in the final seconds) !
The corporate media is tryin hard to block this info ! The small ones are already pushing the story !
secretarul 1 year ago
@secretarul wow tht reall srange if its truth huh idk wht to say about it i herd tht gun shots ther huh bth it can be a amuntion blowing up in fire from guys from security huh hard t say anyuthong right now i know ther an investigation about it bth peopl do say many stories about it huh....... hope we wil know the thruth soon
martini9799 1 year ago
Samolot prezydencki byl wyposazony w tzw. TAWS (Terrain Awareness and Warning System). Urządzenie to z odpowiednim wyprzedzeniem informuje pilotów o zbliżaniu się do przeszkód typu wzgórze, czy też maszt antenowy. System reaguje także w momencie, gdy samolot leci zbyt nisko lub gdy zbyt szybko traci wysokość i gdy grozi mu rozbicie, ostrzegając pilotów przed ewentualnym zagrożeniem.... nasuwa sie pytanie co sie naprawde stalo?
imarsteel 1 year ago
Tymczasem, jak podała na swojej stronie internetowej białoruska gazeta „Wieści Witebska, na lotnisku pod Smoleńskiem mogło nie działać oświetlenie naprowadzające samoloty na pas startowy. Dziennikarz po godzinie od katastrofy sfotografował wojskowych i milicjantów wymieniających żarówki w lampach.
imarsteel 1 year ago
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Very sad, some of the Russian KGB, FSB leaders will stop at nothing for power. Murder their own innocent people! Communism has murdered 20, 000,000 people in Russia alone, by Stalin, not counting all the people after!
May God have mercy!!! 4 days
bobisnohere1 1 year ago
I guess how tragic is that for Polish people
President Kaczynski was very brave and deserving person, he always was a defender of Democracy and liberty of Polish people,and it's more tragic that he and all delegation have died on the way of Katini tragedy place.
I sympathazie Polish people in their sorrow.
World has lost a very important person and politician.
Georgianable 1 year ago
I hope someone kept the reciept .
BREN70S 1 year ago
I wouldn't be suprised if this was the actions of the KGB / FSB!!
How many millions have been killed by Communism!!
bobisnohere1 1 year ago
@bobisnohere1 Communism doesn't kill, Totalitarian dictators kill. Stop blaming Russia for shity Pollock Pilots.
RussianPower1974 1 year ago
@RussianPower1974 With all due respect, RussianPower, which ain't much . . . . Communism requires Totalitarian authority ! Whether it was Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, or Kim Jung-il those ruthless bastards have to murder anyone who has a shred of intelligence so that they can't spread the truth. Truth is , as Thomas. Jefferson put it "(Humans are)....endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Communism SUCKS !!
ChicagoNeilcon 1 year ago
haha you are so fuckin stupid prick haha . Go shoot your self in the empty head Youreallsheople
ThePrzeeemo83 1 year ago
Poles are silly & weak. AND stupid too. Am I supposed to feel bad there is one less shabbos goy in the world? Am I responsible for his death? Am I to blame for MOSSAD'S actions? Did Kaczynski care when Sth Ossetians & Russians died when his friend Sashkavilli rolled tanks into South Ossetia? Did Kaczynski mourn the victims of the Political Ashkenazi: Palestinians, Iraqis, Afghanis & many others? Will Poland run screaming in fear to NATO allies like they ran screaming in fear to Allies in WW2?
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
You Fucker,don't you dare to say that polish are weak and silly!!!...i m polish and i agree that this airplane should have been took it away some time ago it was old,but dont say such things about polish people,you are showing that you are nothing,complite zero talking that way especially in this tragic moment,when so many fathers and mothers lost their familys.just think next time and put yourself in situation of those people who are in mourning now!
katlana25 1 year ago
@katlana25 Waking up to the true nature of Political Ashkenazim will do more to prevent further incidents of this kind than getting mad at me. I'm not the one who murdered him, who false flagged him. MOSSAD are guilty, not me. I am just telling it like it is. Poland is weak; it depends on allies- first the US&UK allies pre-WW2 & now NATO allies pre-WW3. They're stupid aligning with Political Ashkenazim in view of what happened to Poles in WW2 - betrayed & deceived. Walking right into Katyn 2.
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
Poles foolishly ally with the Political Ashkenazim (Israel) when it is MOSSAD that blows up their shabbos goy Prez Kaczynski in false flag incident designed to smear Russians & incite antagonism against Russians. The stupid & weak Poles walk right into trap. Political Ashkenazim will use Poles to start WW3 like they used them to start WW2. Dumb Poles haven't learned their lesson yet & are destined to be schooled by the Russians all over again. Missile shield doesn't protect Poles as they think.
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
Weak & silly Poland destined to suffer again as Poles keep making the wrong alliances & trusting the wrong people. They ally themselves with NATO when the west does not care about Poles & will leave them high & dry once war happens on Polish soil. The Poles have become political Ashkenazim worshippers & have allowed Political Ashkenazim to infiltrate their country & take over policy making. Will end badly for Poles who will be betrayed by the West AGAIN. Foolish Poles will suffer a 2nd Katyn.
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
20 years is not an age for an aircraft, especially when it's well maintained. I think this one was. The only reason, why thу most companies refuse using them: they are to noisy and big fuelconsumers. And not because of safety reson.
Parruslan 1 year ago
Zapraszam nagralismy piosenke ktora oddaje hold poleglym w Smolensku
/watch?v=RVbPd8fbaoI
Baxio666 1 year ago
"Kaczyński was reluctant to replace it" - it is a lie. The government and Donald Tusk didn't want to replace it. The plane was rarely available for Kaczynski due to Tusk's party criticism over president's (Kaczynski) use of the plane. Kaczynski had to almost beg the government to borrow the plane. Instead, he had to ride train or a car.
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These politicians (especially Kaczynski, Wasserman, Kurtyka) was hateful POLITICAL MONSTRES, they caused deep splits in Polish society. So many, many peole in Poland are really happy! :) ****Thousands of people stage protests over a decision to bury Kaczynski in Wawel (Wawel in Krakow - a place reserved for Poland's kings and heroes.)
SzaryWilkSamotnik 1 year ago
Dear Polish nationals and citizens:
In the light of this great tragedy which has fallen upon you, we extend our heartfelt condolences to all of you. Please know that you are in our prayers, both in churches and at homes, at these difficult times.
May the Lord give the victims repose in His heavenly kingdom and may you all grow from stronger roots as you strive along your path into the future.
Yours most sincerely in our Lord Jesus Christ,
Croats
103forpeace 1 year ago
This is lead-up to WW3, WW2 Replay. The Shabbos Goy Poles are being set up against the Russkies. The smart Political Ashkenazim use the stupid and weak Poles to provoke Russia and start a war. Missile shield & NATO will not help Poland who will run screaming with fear to NATO allies. Russia will invade Poland again. Another Katyn will happen. Clever Political Ashkenazim succeed once again in divide & conquer. Goyim are too dumb to see through brilliant Political Ashkenazim false flags & schemes.
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
new news in poland. form a review of some black boxes the following are facts:
*Pilots/plane only attempted one landing. not 2 not 5 or whatever .
*pilots knew that that landing will result in a crash!
*all engines on the plane were on during the crash.
*no fire on board or explosion was detected.
* conversations with russian tower was in English polish and Russian.
Yet more information is being analysed (russian tower dialog)
Navigation systems etc......
patrykr1 1 year ago
Why so much media pushing for a version that says blame the crew, and that from the beginning?
ligiajohn 1 year ago
Mossad are expert in plane false flag detonation as we all know. Political ashkenazim used their shabbos goy house-boy no 1 shameless bootlicker butt-kisser in a false flag attack aimed at turning Poles against Russians. Dumb Poles will be manipulated by the political ashkenazim to start war with Russia. It will be WW2 redux. Poles will go screaming in fear to NATO allies when Russians invade Poland. Missile shield won't protect them.
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
@Youreallsheople And what was that supposed to mean?
konfolut 1 year ago
@Youreallsheople your an idiot. do you know anything about russia? the zionists still run russia and always will. this "plane crash" was staged by the globalist zio-commies. the former commies now liberals who were to fly didnt thats why the death toll was 90+ not 132 as thought in the begining
smokeyjayshouse 1 year ago
@smokeyjayshouse Stupid, Did Russkies blow up Twin Towers on 9/11? Did they drag USA into war in Middle East with false flags in London, Spain, Bali? Kaczynski plane crash - MOSSAD false flag to incite Poles against Russkies. Poles are shabbos goyim. They have missile shield pointing to Russia. Political Ashkenazim rule the world because the goyim like you are so dumb.
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
@smokeyjayshouse Zionist is outdated term. Political Ashkenazim is better. It does not include the Jews who do not want to be part of this political force. Many Communists were Jews. So what? China & USSR were communist. They had cold war with political-Ashkenazim ruled USA. USA is political Ashkenazim Supreme Shabbos-Goy and their catspaw. Political Ashkenazim attacked Russia via Georgia. Political Ashkenazim do not like Russkies because they do not go with the program (bomb Iran) unlike US.
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
@smokeyjayshouse Anyway I don't like talking to dummies. Think what you like. MOSSAD did this & they did Moscow metro attack & they did 9/11. Israel did USS Liberty false flag, King David Hotel false flag, Berlin La Belle disco false flag, Lavon Affair false flag, Beirut Barracks false flag, Libya Pan Am Lockerbie false flag. Think it's the CIA or the FSB/Russia who did it, if you like. It doesn't make any difference to me. I already know goyim are dumb & that's why ashkenazim rule them.
Youreallsheople 1 year ago
It's good plane, the pilot is the problem.
TheGreenMonkeyMHFC 1 year ago
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2010katyn 1 year ago
Maybe god punished polish government, everything is written in the book of god who goes to stays.
yurtaevi 1 year ago
If it's not a Boeing ! I'm Not going !
90210lalaland 1 year ago
@GOTLiox10 listen communist go to hell with your advise we will do what is good for us , if you gay do not come to Poland sick people like that should go to hospitals in soviet union or germany and rest of "west europe "
wojbert 1 year ago
you know than i have the same immpresion about Kennedy means i was sure then soviets killed him because he sopped them in Cuba . thank you for that you are first person who sad that
good luck
wojbert 1 year ago
Ruskies did it...
EsotericDesi 1 year ago
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Accept my condolences on the death of your president & his wife.
tupolev airplanes are very cheap ass airplanes, in Iran it has taken many lives. I hope that one day the "president" off Iran ahmadinejad terrorist will die in a crash.
Viva the Democratic Revolution in Iran
Greets from Iran
hosseinthc 1 year ago
you lying soviet dog. to nie President Kaczynski only Tusk and why you do not mentioned where and who renovated this junk . You bolsheviks did it ..and under control of putin gangsters they prepare plane to future crash . or control tower gave wrong direction for polish pilot . and FOG was last witness of this murder .
wojbert 1 year ago
@wojbert You bolsheviks did it!!!!!!!! Putin hit Lech Kazcynski because he was a man who killed John Kennedy?!!!! That is the question! Why he killed Kennedy??? This is the second biggest question!!!!
ChurchArts 1 year ago
So tragic , my deepest sympathy to all the relatives and the polish people.
kawa7900 1 year ago 2
@GOTLiox10 Herie, hearie. Polish gimnasium spoke!
Tome4kkkk 1 year ago
@GOTLiox10,
"right-wing nationalist,
stubborn church fanatic,
sociopath and
homophobe"
Sounds like your typical Republican.
pf126p 1 year ago 4
@pf126p Bullseye!
Tome4kkkk 1 year ago
I believe that the fault was not tu154. is an excellent aircraft, the crew was precionas till the limit.
wilhelm2101 1 year ago
If anyone thinks that this tragic crash was due to the Tu-154 they are sick puppies. I would fly on this type of aircraft any day! My I offer my deepest condolences to Polish People on this tragic event.
canamwing 1 year ago
@canamwing You go right ahead and board one. The Tu-154 has a horrible track record.
"According to the Aviation Safety Network, there have been 66 crashes involving Tu-154s, including six in the past five years. The Russian carrier Aeroflot recently withdrew its Tu-154 fleet from service." (Time)
"Sick puppies?" It's like a Вятка with wings.
pf126p 1 year ago 2
@pf126p why don,t you read how many crashes were there involveing boeing company?
misio310 1 year ago
@misio310 I have. And the failure rate of the Tupolev dwarfs that of the Boeings. So I might make the same suggestion to you.
pf126p 1 year ago
@misio310 So let me repeat:
737 total built - 6,285, 135 crashes with a total of 3937 fatalities.
TU 154 total built - 1015, 57 crashes with a total of 2725 fatalities
Now you can calculate rest which plane is safer.
tjblues01 1 year ago
@tjblues01 yes but im talking about boeaing airplanes in total not just about 737.....
misio310 1 year ago
@misio310 Your "but" doesn't make any sens. What's a point to put in equation the whole company? It's like you want to put into the same category cars and transport trucks. Besides that which year you want to start from? 1916 when Boeing was founded or maybe 1922, the year Tupolev began his business? There is no point to compare planes outside of their class and era. And what about hours in air, number of takeoff and landing?
So maybe you will start with your statistics? I'd like to see it
tjblues01 1 year ago
@misio310 "...according to calculations made by the London-based aviation consultancy Ascend ... the Tu-154 has suffered a fatal accident for every 431,200 flights, compared with Boeing 737s record of one fatal crash for each 2.68-million flights." (Christian Science Monitor)
pf126p 1 year ago