Inside Story - Blackwater controversy - 19 Sep 07 - Part 2

[33333333333333331993]

fuck black water now they are going to serbia

[TheCass37]

FUCK lawyers...They are the scum of the earth.

[hornetobiker]

Al jazeera - The ends NEVER jsutify the means.

[WORX4FUDE]

Tell that to a few million Jews whose "ends" were saved by the means of American, British, and other allied efforts during WWII.

[hornetobiker]

Do you think that was the motive for the second world war in Europe?

[WORX4FUDE]

Over-simplified, the unchecked expansion of Nazi fascism led by Hitler in the combined European, Asian (yes, Russia is in Asia), and African theaters certainly provided a solid foundation for conventional military action. Most Americans (especially those fighting) had NO CLUE the atrocities Hitlers scientists were hiding in those camps and labs. So, in short, no, I don't think the Jewish Holocaust was the primary motive for Americas military involvement in Europe.

[hornetobiker]

I don't see how you think that supports the claim that "the ends justifies the means" is ever a valid argument.

[WORX4FUDE]

That's okay.

[hornetobiker]

LOL. Bye loser.

[afrircans1970]

When you whore your trigger finger, the love you take is equal to the love you make. In the end; you laid in down for money. There is nothing NOBEL about Blackwater.

[johnpgeorge]

The terrorist network known as Al-jazeera is scared sh**less by American boys working for Blackwater. I think aljazera's fear says it all! Blackwater is effective. Rock on Blackwater.

[aj466202]

this is way too biased to give a good debate about blackwaters involvement in iraq though i wouldnt expect anything less from aljazerra

[micahgee]

biased LOL

the guy wrote a exhaustive book about Blackwater, thats the title too ^^

Read about Blackwater before you say criticizing it is "biased"

[SirJohnA]

What a bunch of commie crap!!!!!

[suecudac]

Yes, I can feel your anger. It empowers me.

[RoryBlackhand]

Always presuming...but, alas, wrong...as usual. I see a pattern forming. I'm as cold as a cucumber, toots.

Oh, what nerve do you think you hit? I mentioned Kovel, an event, and puzzlement over your construction in Dearborn comment. Mosque construction and Arabic signage is booming, how does that effect me though? I'm retired and not in need of a job, thanks.

[suecudac]

I thought you were an Retired American Indian, Recon Marine with 3 purple Hearts, who spent the 70's & 80's in Israel & Gaza,Now living near Dearborn.I didn't know you were also retired from your construction job.

[RoryBlackhand]

Retired Indian? I am retired from the Marine Corps. I spent 20 years active and 10 years in the reserves...and yes, I did work construction as a reservist. I have fought in Afghanistan and 3 tours in Iraq. I didn't "spend" the 70s and 80s in Israel, though. I trained at the Mitkan Adam army base in Counter Terrorism ops. And I pulled a 6 month tour in the Sinai. I also took 6 weeks of leave there.

[suecudac]

Did you ever befriend a palistinian family & try to date their daughter.

[RoryBlackhand]

Oh, and you are wrong...again as usual, it is section 6. Your lack of attention to detail is causing you to look like a buffoon, but I am just a dumb grunt. Which is another presumption, since you don't know if I was a cryptologist or an aviator instead of a grunt.

As you can see from...Article I, Section 9, clause 2 of the Constitution, which states, "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus..." Habeas Corpus is a PRIVILEDGE.

[suecudac]

Yes, Habeas Corpus is now a privildge thanks to this new law.

It used to be our RIGHT but now it's just a privilege. That's the point. It was everyone's RIGHT to have a fair trial, now it's just for the privileged, Semantics' dumb ass. You were neither a cryptologist or an aviator. You shouldn't have used the term (WAS). Once a cryptologist or aviator, alway's a cryptologist or aviator. Was means you never were.

[RoryBlackhand]

It was always a PRIVILEDGE retard. Those words were written 2 centuries ago. We can add the Constitution to the growing list of shit you know nothing about.

I'd love to continue toying with an inferior intellect, but I need to prepare to take on Joel Kovel tonight, so I leave you to your Star Trek reruns or whatever it is you pass the time away with when not doing your best impersonation of a village idiot.

[suecudac]

Yes, you do need to prepare if you are going to TRY & take on my good friend Joel. He's part of the Brotherhood. You should

educate yourself by reading his book's.

[suecudac]

I wasn't planning on going to see Joel tonight but I think I'll make the drive to Ann Arbor. Should be interesting.

[RoryBlackhand]

How was the event? I actually missed it due a little emergency, but a friend of mine went. His question sent me rolling. He asked Kovel if he thought a "polemic treatise on child molestation would add to the debate on lowering the legal age of consensual sex" and if he thought a book like that should be "printed at a public school" where as a father and tax payer he has a say in what the university does...lol. Kovel stuttered and stammered but couldn't respond.

[RoryBlackhand]

The point to my friend's question was that not all free speech has value.

How do you know Kovel? I am intrigued by the nature of your relationship if you would indulge me and what you thought of the event. He got a standing ovation from the haters, but no hecklers?

[suecudac]

He does his part by provoking people into thinking. He's not alway's right & he's not alway's wrong. That's the point. Telling people what they want to hear never get's them to think. Kovel is part of the vast network that I am, as is Primeminister Olmet. Nice letter. How is the construction biz in Dearborn.

[RoryBlackhand]

So you don't know Kovel personally as you let on? And you didn't attend the event? Construction in Dearborn?

[suecudac]

I seem to have hit a nerve. Our network is vast, but it's a network. That means we communicate & have annual mettings. Sometimes one on one or in smaller groups.

It doesn't mean we play poker on saturday night's. I was in the auditorium for a short while but I ran into a proffessor I know

& we left early & had dinner at the Chop House on Main st.

[RoryBlackhand]

What do you call this group and can I attend a meeting? I would love to see what I'm missing out on. Or are dumb grunts not allowed in? I'm not good at guessing games. Speak plainly if you wish to be understood. You talk of vast networks, Olmert, and Kovel. That rules out the Green Party, but it could include what Stalin aptly called useful idiots. What is it you do for a living, (aside from trolling You Tube) if you don't mind sharing?

[suecudac]

No, you would have to be a member to attend or know the name. I do a lot of things in life. Recently I've been doing research for a book I'm writing.You are a part of that research.

Tell me about The Blackhand Society.

[RoryBlackhand]

You are writing a book? Cool...put a chapter in there with you kissing my ass. It will be a love story. Is part of your secret group's goal to actively confront and expose instances of suppression, and open a democratic debate on Zionism that is long overdue?

The name Rory Blackhand came from a friend, we are members of a full contact fighting group called the Society of Creative Anachronism. I liked the name and have used it now and then as an alias.

[suecudac]

Blackhand society,

Secret Serbian society formed in 1911 primarily by army officers, which used terrorist methods to promote the liberation of Serbs outside Serbia from Habsburg or Ottoman rule. It conducted propaganda campaigns, organized armed bands in Macedonia, and established revolutionary cells throughout Bosnia.

[RoryBlackhand]

Unless you have something intriguing to say, I am getting kind of bored with this little chat. I'd like to attend one of your secret meetings. If you can arrange it message me.

[suecudac]

Why do you want to attend? Again you have to be a member to be able to attend. Otherwise the mettings & network wouldn't be secret.

[suecudac]

Blackhand Society, A secret Serbian society formed in 1911

which used terrorist methods to promote the liberation of Serbs outside Serbia from Hapsburg or Ottoman rule. It conducted propaganda campaigns & established revolutionary

(terrorist) cells throughout Bosnia.

[RoryBlackhand]

What part of alien do you not understand, idiot? You have not read any of it. Quote the text instead of some sappy opinion piece by the anarchists at I hate Amerika dot com.

[suecudac]

You just went straight to sec 7 Habeas Corpus matter's.

"YOU" didn't read the whole document. Anarchy will ensure

Novus Ordo Seclorum. We want you to hate & we have acheived that.

[RoryBlackhand]

After presuming I was stupid, you now presume to tell me what I have and have not read. If you think I am in error, prove your case by quoting text.

You either don't understand the law or haven't bothered to read it. Which is it? You can't just say "enemy combatants and belligerents", call me an ass and expect to everyone to gather round waiting for pearls of wisdom to squirt out your ass.

[suecudac]

Subchapter 1, Sec 948a Definitions. The very first section.

It defines who will be subject under the military commisions act. Then you have to read the entire document to understand how it work's. Different chapters affect different definision's of who will be subject to the M.C. Act. Leagal document's aren't cut & dry, Black & white, They are dilluted on purpose

[RoryBlackhand]

This is your case? You did a quick Wikipedia search and found what? The definition of enemy combatant? Whoopee... If YOU understood the document YOU would understand that the priviledge of Habeas Corpus has been suspended for ALIENS. That is a qualifier that you are ignoring in light of your sky is falling alarm that "everyone" has lost our rights and Bush is a tyrant. Legal documents are not diluted on purpose, that is more paranoid ramblings from the mind of an imbecile.

[suecudac]

I don't propone to squirt wisdom from my ass. Wisdom is not to be given away. You must earn it. Any wisdom you gain will not come from me directly. It will come from me pissing you off to the point that you will read the entire document, wake up your dormant brain & continue reading,researching. Change is inevitable, knowledge just makes it easier to handle.

[RoryBlackhand]

It is glaringly obvious that you have not read it, nor do you understand it, nor do you get the big picture. You are not protecting our rights by slandering Bush. Our enemies do that. You are acting like you do not want freedom.

(e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States...

key word (ALIEN)

[suecudac]

The puppet show(congress) that you see as real life saddens me. If you don't think Habeas Corpus can be used against anyone in this country then you truly are dissollusioned. Unlawful enemy combatant's are anyone the people in power determine are. It won't be long before the house of cards crumbles.

[suecudac]

No one should have to earn the right to have freedom & liberty you fool & all wars are not overseas & just fought with bullets & bombs. Bush suspended Habeas Corpus in 2006

with the military commisions act.You don't understand what that means because you a dumb grunt who earned the right to be ignorant.

[RoryBlackhand]

You seem to be suffering from liberal dementia, a willful disregard of reality. Nobody should have to earn the right to freedom, but we do not live in a utopia, so luxuries like that have to be defended or we will lose them. That includes not allowing our courts to be misused hearing meritless challenges by terrorists and sappy liberals like you that are waging war against us. But what do I know? I'm just a dumb grunt. Let me wipe the spit from my eye.

[suecudac]

Well at least I got you to understand that no one has to earn the right to freedom. Your right we don't live in a Utopia, we

live in a Republic under the guise (external appearance) of Democracy. Decisions are made for the majority by a minority

upper class & now decisions can be made by one man.

[RoryBlackhand]

You presume freedom is an innate right, yet casually disregard those of us who have saw fit to ensure you don't get it taken away from you. You have taught me exactly nothing here.

Decisions are made for the majority by the few the majority empowered to make them. Saying Bush is a tyrant is a straw man and an absurd lie.

[suecudac]

You agreed with me that freedom is an innate right in your previous reply or have you forgot. I see fit to ensure my rights

aren't taken away from me. I never disregarded what you & your military service to this country. Just your inability to

continue the fight for our rights here at home.Your brain is the ultimate weapon, you just need to load it, aim & pull the trigger.

[RoryBlackhand]

I agree it is an innate right, but further, we have a moral obligation to set as many people free as we are able, because it is in our own self interest to do so.

Do you think you are doing a service to humanity by searching America for flaws with a microscope all the while beating the stuffing out of the straw man you have erected in effigy of Bush? That is not patriotism or helpful. Get a clue...

[suecudac]

I set people free from their ignorance. You were trained in the military to be a follower. Do you really think America is flawless? There has to be checks & balances. I understand you don't want to rock the boat, That's where you come from. A Patriot will sacrafice himself for his country not a government. What about setting ourselves free from denial. Novus Ordo Seclorum.

[RoryBlackhand]

You don't set people free, sister. You confuse the hell out of them with your ego inflated sense of self preservation. By stigmatizing people that are unapologetically patriotic, be it President Bush, veterans, or every day American citizens proud of their country, you have erected a straw man to vent your visceral hatred for America on. This delusion and the shameless rhetoric you employ fuels our enemies, Islamists, Marxists, and the morally perverse.

(cont)

[suecudac]

First of all I'm not your sister. Suecudac is not Sue Cudac, It's

(Caduceus) the messenger of the God's spelled backwards.

Your just angry that I'm pulling back the curtain of your OZ.

Your too afraid to face the facts that your a sheep. I never said I hate America. Your just twisting it to your liking. Just like

the Illuminati do. Talk about rhetoric.

[RoryBlackhand]

Well, let's sum up your message...lol. God told you to tell us that there is no wait list for boot camp, Bush acted alone without congress, "everyone" has lost habeas corpus, you have done your research, just like Brother Number One (Pol Pot), a true patriot keeps tabs on the people he mistrusts, Bush now makes decisions on his own, and that I am just a dumb grunt, sheep, and trained to follow...a pied piper like you I presume or the Illuminati, space aliens, neocons, or the Jews...uh huh.

[suecudac]

"YES"! WELL DONE. We have been leading you around &

around since we first broke you in boot camp. You are

our Manchurian Candidate & soon we will call on you to

act as we wish. lanA karhtaN savhtU duhteB oD lo-ehC evne-iD.

[RoryBlackhand]

Like it or not you are a dupe. You have been manipulated into thinking that dwelling upon a version of history which completely ignores reality will bring you some kind of virtue and power. Virtue and power by merely being anti Bush...all the more appealing too since, unlike real virtue, it requires no sacrifice or effort on your part...only outrage at every slight hint that America isn't the communist Utopia you deem is the correct way things should be.

(cont)

[suecudac]

You think you know what I'm about but your anger & fear cloud your judgement. Utopia's don't exist,but then neither does true Democracy. What I'm talking about is over your head. I think I'll stop wasting my time.

[RoryBlackhand]

Yeah, I don't grasp your brand of patriotism, comrade. I'm just a dumb grunt, but I know that you, like most whack jobs on the left that think America sucks are engaged in a willful disregard of reality. You have a message, you have reinforced a certainty I have known for many years, the left is intellectually bankrupt when challenged. Have a nice day, Sue.

[suecudac]

Comrade is a Communist term. We are the Left & the Right.

We are the Alpha & the Omega. We are Ouroboros. We are both side's. We divide & conquer from within. Reality is malleable, We never said ------- sucks but we got you to say it a couple of times. Welcome to the matrix.

[RoryBlackhand]

Your mind is malleable and weak. You are OroBORINGus to death with your hive mind gibberish. Maybe you were taken aboard a space ship and inoculated against reality? You have succeeded in creating nothing but an allegory for your pseudo-intellectual idiocy, complete with shoddy mythological references, selective historical memory, and an imagined omnipotence laughable in it's puerile fatuousness.

[suecudac]

You are the gibbologist. You should enjoy decifering my gibberish. You may think I'm fatous but I know your Faustian,

Dr. Faustus.

[RoryBlackhand]

Do I think America is flawless. Nope, unlike your ilk, I am a realist. But keep presenting yourself as the voice of humanity with a divine incorruptible credo. I always get a chuckle from self-righteous fakes when they pretend they know something about a subject they are clueless on. And yes, btw, I am an instrument of the Illuminati. Novus Ordo Seclorum.

[suecudac]

Yes, you are an intrument or TOOL for sure. We just wanted you to admit who you are & we have acheived that. I along

with my brethren were born into this. We have been in power

since the beginning of society. You are our TOOL & you will continue to do our bidding. This has been acheived by provoking you & solidifying yor belief system.

[suecudac]

Our courts were missused when Bush signed & enacted without congress, the military commisions act, which suspends Habeas Corpus (anyones right to a fair trial),

on the 135 anniversary to the day that Grant suspended Habeas Corpus in South Carolina. If you only knew your history you would be able to see the big picture.

[suecudac]

Jeremy Scahill is no retard, He's done his research like the rest of us. I suggest you do some of your own. If you do sign up for the military you will go straight to boot camp no matter how many Patriots are signing up. The true definition of a Patriot is one who keeps tabs on his or her own government. Libertarians or (Libtards) as you call them fight for Liberty, your freedom. Without it you wouldn't be able to make stupid uneducated remarks.

[CleatoArroyo]

Bushs private army..mercenary...not sworn to uphold the constitution but serve the dictatror.

[freedpatriot]

Well, when it's ALL IN THE FAMILY, Jeb's wife (Googleit)

is related to Blackwater - CHECK IT OUT!

[TravisBarker7]

Lil Dubya and his Bushites hopefully will spend time in prison for their crimes.

[queensbridge]

Aljazeera always on point, this is what for me is fair and balanced

[buddyfreakinholly]

Bush is in bed with the blackwater mercenaries. Blackwater donated milions in campaign contributions to the republican party and now Bush is repaying them in security contracts in Iraq. When will they impeach that bastard Bush?

[aarohazel]

wow, now thats quality

[spiritualmonkey]

Excellent journalism. Great report, AJ.

[gwbushisno2]

Let all Americans and the world pray for this day.

Abraham Lincoln

James Garfield

William McKinley

John F. Kennedy

george w. bush

[anamarie8]

Robert Greenwald and author Jeremy Scahill

testify @ "Defense Subcommitte of the House

Appropriations Committee May 2007" about "war profiteering"

view @ (videoplay?docid=-870683070410­3212226)

@ googlevideo

1 hour 5 min.

[Jonchess]

Through its actions the US has turned the will of the people against it so it will fail together with the hordes of mercenaries employed by it at US tax payers expense.

The International community is coward for not speaking out more and helping the people of Iraq more.

[gwbushisno2]

There would be no need for Blackwater if they started drafting and all these fat lazy tough talking 18 - 40 year old pro-war sideliners to Iraq without the $20,000.00 sign up bonus for not volunteering and draft them within the next 30 days, then that PoS g. w. bush could be arrested for war crimes.

[Big10]

Excellent report/discussion.

[KEYEDE]

Plausible Deniability!! great term

[theyusestupidnames]

Pirates.

[Wally4363]

Scahill looks like he is losing weight. Is he concerned about Blackwater or just trying to plug his book again? You be the judge.

[hoipollloi]

TAX REVOLT!!!!!!! stop paying for unconscienable practices of murderous mercenaries......since our votes were stolen and protests seem to be hippy fooder lets hit them in the pockets and stop paying for this immoral greed of corporate arses that never cared about the thier own countrymen......think KATRINA!!!!!! This govt. doesn't even care about newe orleans, nown the #1 murder capitol on the U.S.A.

[DamNationDiplomat]

I'm glad this is finally being brought to official dialogue, but abu ghraib only closed one prison; the torture is still taking place elsewhere. US officials are very careful to change the PR campaigns while not changing any of the activities, and the problem has snow-balled to the point that americans are powerless to stop the attrocities of their own government. The international community has to start prosecuting.