segregation in private business

[lexrex3]

The businesses which are the most successful are those which cater best to their customers; often at the expense of the competion which doesn't cater as well to the customer. At one time some country clubs did not allow jews but some of those same people shopped with jewish merchants if they got a good deal from them.

[genevaExploited]

great argument. there's a relatively old book called For a New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto dedicated to private property and exchange that supports your position

[MatthewLeee]

Do you think hippies watch TV?

[stodles]

Hot.

[NeonKnight88]

Libertarianism cant function when racism and collective thought exist.

IMO we need to get rid of racism it doesnt really matter if its legal or not it just needs to die.

[notloz2]

Collective thought is the way, were coming together fast. Try and stop it.

[cehbeach]

"If anything it should a state issue not a federal issue"

Been there, done that. This is the same argument the Dixiecrats used to enforce a system of coercion against blacks in the south. As far as property rights, look into the concept of "Eminent Domain"(Fifth Amendment). The USC does not support you in this matter.

[ithinkronpaulissmart]

The constitution does support me on this. The 5th amendment only justifies government intervention if they are to buy the property for fair price. It doesn't give them the right to regulate business. The 10th amendment limits federal authority to what is explicitly listed in the constitution. Where in the constitution is this power listed? If it's not there, then it is unconstitutional for it to be a federal power.

[cehbeach]

The point was that property rights are not absolute. The interstate commerce clause give them some authority, and the 14th certainly does give them authority to guarantee the civil rights of individuals against other individuals, municipalities, and states.

[ithinkronpaulissmart]

You really have to torture language to use the interstate commerce clause, and the 14th amendment explicitly refers to states and not individuals. If you believe in natural rights, then property rights are absolute, and eminent domain is simply a government violating one's rights. (which they do routinely)

[MatthewLeee]

If property rights were absolute then there would be no taxes. The only true liberty there is is "negitive" liberty, no such thing as "positive" since the former has no basis, let them try and prove otherwise.

[ithinkronpaulissmart]

There could be taxation, just not direct taxation (income tax). A sales tax does not really violate property rights. Just look at it like a user fee.

[EverettsVLOG]

You contradicted yourself. you first argued that white people can be racist much easily if they are not around black people often, then you argued that legislating anti-segregation does not prevent peopel from being racist. Another obvious flaw in your logic that i noticed was that you think businesses would not put up 'no colors' signs b/c they lose clintelle, but they would gain racist clientele. Finally, you blindly assume freedom/property right to be moral imperatives.

[ithinkronpaulissmart]

"they would gain racist clientele"

That is a pretty silly argument, because it assumes that racists haven't been using any private businesses since 1968, simply because they absolutely refuse to trade with someone who trades with blacks. I think that that is unlikely.

[veorens]

sheltered, egotistical rich-boy twerp.

[ImNoDhimmiDummy]

"Libertarian" another one who thinks his personal philosophy has all the answers...

[faitheist]

I think you grossly underestimate the amount of closeted racist people in our society.

[Steadno]

What if, while on vacation with your family, one of your parents has a heart attack...you call 911 and the PRIVATE EMT's from a PRIVATE hospital show up and refuse one of your parents service because of their race i.e. white???

[Steadno]

What if, while on vacation with your family, one of your parents has a heart attack...you call 911 and the PRIVATE EMT's from a PRIVATE hospital show up and refuse one of your parents service because of their race i.e. white???

[seanbedlam]

Nice theorizing. If you're not black.

[Questionablescum]

Polylogism..nice fallacy!

[seanbedlam]

No, actually. Wrong. El Wrongo.

[whiteflags]

So your point is that because we don't know what people support "in their basement" that they should have the freedom to act on their disgusting views, just so we know who they are so we can riot in response. Being forced to close one's business shouldn't be the only punishment we have for being such a bigoted moron, agreed? People like this deserve to go to jail, they deserve to be fined, and they deserve the ridicule of the law. Your point is baffling.

[ithinkronpaulissmart]

An individual should be jailed for not trading with certain people? That, to me is baffling.

[whiteflags]

Absolutely! Think of hoew long they would have to wait to rebuild their business:they're stuck living in incarceration instead of making money off of a segregated business model. What is really justice to a person such as yourself? What is the new punitive system if people segregate under no law? If they were rich enough they would just pack up and rebuild their business somewhere else. That just propagates the problem and it isn't justice to me.

[whiteflags]

I want bigots punished for turning people into things.

[ithinkronpaulissmart]

How am I turning someone into a thing, by not trading with them?

You seem to place very little value on personal freedom.

[whiteflags]

I like freedom. It's just that I do not understand how the civil rights act prevents a business from turning away someone. If you want a race related example: My barber has said he doesn't cut a black people hair. But in the context of the story, it was apparent he didn't really know how. That's a reasonable reason to turn away a customer, because you can't meet their needs. People want to be sure that this is one of the only reasons you're turned away from a transaction. Common sense.

[whiteflags]

I like freedom, but I don't understand how the civil rights act prevents businesses from choosing their customers. If you need a racial example: my barber can't cut a black person's hair, and he doesn't want to give a bad haircut, so he politely asks them to look somewhere else. A customer should only be turned away from a business if the business can't meet their needs. Why give "white only" a chance? That's where I stand on the issue. and it's what the law provides.