McCain is absolutely right here. 'health of the mother' has been stretched so far that if a woman walked into an abortion clinic with a headache they'd use that as a 'threat to the mother's health'.
Looking up pro life/ pro choice videos for a final project...
I normally spend time on youtube watching music videos and tv clips like an average teenager, this causing me to say "whatever", lets throw in a relevant view.
I opted to sit and listen to Obama and Mcain speak.
Many tell me how eloquent Obama is, and now listening to him speak, I am astounded. He is so well rounded and well spoken, I look forward to how this video is received by my classmates.
If Cindy McCain was dying due to a problem pregnancy, you can bet that McCain would change his tune very quickly with regard to that 'health of the mother' thing.
word to the wise...for a group of people (christian conservatives) who bitch constantly about what's constitutional I hope you realize that our supreme court is very clear on this. a woman has the right to privacy and your desire to ban abortion is unconstitutional. thus, this is a baseless debate that will never result in an unconstitutional ruling...you lose.
@LORDMCHUGH You call me a murderer.A Murderer is one who commits the "unlawful killing of a human being".I have never done this, or ever promoted it. But, you, in all your Christian Charity, feel it is proper to do so,and then not apologize for it.
Therefore,using you as an example, the only thing I can conclude is the reason you are anti-choice is because you want more babies to be born so that you,a pedophile,can continue to rape them with impunity.You are disgusting,and I am thru with you.
@LORDMCHUGH If you wish to continue a rational, intelligent, and reasoned discussion of the issue of abortion, then I will accept your apology for you calling me a murderer, and we can continue.
@LORDMCHUGH You say I am "Killing Innocents" .. WHAT A STUPID, MORONIC, INFANTILE thing to say. Because my opinion is different than yours YOU CALL ME A MURDERER. WHAT A JUVENILE THING TO SAY.
I have never been pregnant, nor have I ever encouraged anyone to have an abortion.
By your own words you reveal the clueless, close-minded, ignoramus that you are.
By your own words what you say is "Agree with me or I will call you a murderer, though I have no facts and have never met you".
@LORDMCHUGH A Separate life? No. But, as long as it's hooked up to me? Yes, it absolutely is my choice, and it is absolutely none of your business. And THAT is the point: IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. That is my pro-choice argument. I am not Anti Life: If you were pregnant? I would not go up and scream at you to "Abort your fetus!" Please stop telling me what to do, and I won't tell you what to do, ok?.
a thing that makes him not have to go. As Jessse Ventura said, "Bush is a chicken Hawk." You shouldnt be in other countries anyway. That's what pisses me off bout america. Your leaders have made so many people suffer. And in israel also. You give so much to the Israelis and palestine gets nothing. THat is why israel is so strong compared to palestine. I guess the huge majority of jews in congress is working wonders... And obama is just in it for the banks, there is no difference between rep
I hope the republicans get in next term so that america can get fucked well an truly in the ass to the point that it will take years to escape from. all you do is invade and take from other countries and take what is not rightly yours. e.g iraq and most probably in the near future Venezuela. Please Mccain or Palin finish what George W Bush started and that is never-ending wars on nothing that will plunge your economy into the fiery depths of hell. PEACE!
@eradicaar haha i was angry at the time. although i love us cities and the people, i hate your polotics with a passion. People like bush and Obama give the us a bad name. Bush is a chicken hawk fucking cunt. ITs okay for him to send other mothers troops to fight in a 'war on nothing,' al quada doesnt exist, and i dont know why theyre fighting the taliban they used to be allies. Its all to do with wall street a small minority profit from war greatly. But when it is his turn to go to war he signs
There are other ways of self abortions. You can't force a person to bare a child if they don't want too. McCains motive was to attack and not understand the situation. In the event that a women is raped, isn't it her choice as to if she wants to keep a child? Would any women want to be faced with that circumstance? Basically every situation is different! Anti-Abortion ppl, if your going to rally against abortion, help the ppl who are stuggling with raising the children that they have!
Watch the video of the nurse who was at the Illinois hospital where the baby lived...It was more than once and the protocol was to NOT give aid to the baby you just mangled...let it lay in pain and die. Ya know, if you hit a DOG or CAT in the road, most people would stop and if it were alive, take it to a vet...but not a baby that was "UNWANTED" by the "MOTHER" and HOW do you call yourself a MOTHER when that is the person who is supposed to LOVE you and PROTECT you. Comfort you as you die...
@PunkiMclovin94 But doesn't it make more sense than letting it suffer its entire life from health issues, or physical deformations? Or worse, be another unwanted, abused child. Kids are mean man. You should know this from personal experience growing up. I get what you're saying, but you have to think ahead with it too.
@PunkiMclovin94 says: and the protocol was to NOT give aid to the baby you just mangled...let it lay in pain and die.
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Oh please, stop the prolife drama. There is not ONE single abortion today that can produce a live fetus...so dont worry your pretty liitle head, and stop bringing up antiquated news thats irrelevent today! . You people utterly amaze me!
Watch the video of the nurse who was at the Illinois hospital where the baby lived...It was more than once and the protocol was to NOT give aid to the baby you just mangled...let it lay in pain and die. Ya know, if you hit a DOG or CAT in the road, most people would stop and if it were alive, take it to a vet...but not a baby that was "UNWANTED" by the "MOTHER" and HOW do you call yourself a MOTHER when that is the person who is supposed to LOVE you and PROTECT you. Comfort you as you die...
Fact! - If abortion offends your religion, moral highground, yet 'justifies' abuse of the natural maternally intellectual rights of a womens freedom to choose, u need to reconsider your 'own' right, to share this earth with the rest of the human race, or change your religious affinity, or get a partner who will stand by you for the reason you tried to procreate in the first place. Unquestionable love, respect, & undying urge to share your life, cos u are YOU! If not they don't deserve YOU!
Fact! Who the fuck are these two muppets to dictate to a woman, how, what, where, when or how?
Fact! Grow a pussy, open it to fucktards with micro-penile littleman syndrome, or a well-stocked turkey-baster, for those with penis envy, house a foetus for 9 months, then pop that li'l spring chicken outta that glory-hole... alternately, STFU, & practice shitting bowling balls!
Fact! - If you have, said pussy, wait until you're ready,& do the same.. or ADOPT a child from a LIKEMINDED PERSON?
ur a fucking dumbass there not reproductive rights you dumbshit it says in the ten commandments that you shouldnt kill if you dont belive in god it savs in US law that you shouldnt kill you fucking pro murder fag
@pissingpeopleoff109 Learn to spell and write a sentence you illiterate caveman. Not everybody believes in a 'God', so fuck off, Hitler. And the world isn't ruled by some stupid book, and 'supposed laws', written by random people. Make a good arguement instead of looking like a fucking 10 year old with autism.
@pissingpeopleoff109 Yet ironically, right after giving Moses the Ten Commandments, God tells Moses and those loyal to him to take up arms and kill those who had been worshiping the golden calf. Not to mention the millions of casualties in wars started by countries taught to follow the Ten Commandments (not just the US). The point being there is a big difference between cold blooded murder, "needs of the many" killing, and waging war.
@desasterz Any history book thats not written by a retard? And its not murder, the FETUS isn't even developed. I agree there should be a law banning LATE TERM ABORTIONS. It snot your choice. What if I said eating meat was murder in my religion? Its perspective.
@BenjaminWirtz Only a STUPID ASS would bring up NAZI in connotation with ANY topic. I will give you time to look up the definition of the word connotation, just like I had to educate you on "Straw Man", "Red Herring" and now, "Nazi".
i must say.... abortion is a real complicated subject.
on the one hand it really is immoral. if you have sex, you may get pregnant and you must accept that. It is no one's fault but yours. (and im not talking about medical reasons or rape, ok?)
but on the other hand it is not the governments responsibility to say that immoral things should be illegal.
but then again the little baby never had a chance to choose whether it wanted to live or not....
generally, the government shouldn't pass laws against things just because they're immoral, unless they have a practical impact on other people. it's certainly a tricky balance between the rights of the child and the rights of the mother. if continuing with the pregnancy is likely to cause serious medical problems for the mother, she can have an abortion because her life is not less important than the baby's. as for rape, she had no say in having a baby so let her have an abortion.
Let me know if you want the link: in a the cases of maternal and mental health it comes out to 6.1% of 50,000,000 abortions...in cases of rape its amongst 2.1%. ......25% was cuz women didnt feel like having a child at that time...10.8% is because they wanted to go to college or have a caerer..so what is pro choices real agruement?
those figures don't surprise me. i'd consider myself a liberal in most areas but i think the left has really got this issue wrong. abortions for social reasons are completely unacceptable. i'm british and i'd imagine it's the same both sies of the atlantic. i'd be interested in that link please.
Yeah you are right...what people dont know is that Roe vs Wade took place in texas were abortions was legal to save the womens life...and I dont know why that is pro choices agrument if that how it was pre 1973..why cant they be honest and say "damit we just want the choice to kill our child because we dont want to feel the shame & carry the responsiblity" there are some good looks that WIKI will link you to at the buttom..."abortions in the united states"...YOU ARE A TRUE LEFT!
@jonyrock777 Yeah, I was a dumb unxtain slut who had irresponsible sex WITH protection at 14, so by all means I deserved to end up homeless or in the state wolfhouse living like an animal getting beaten and even RAPED by OTHER TEENS AND CHILDREN, or raising an innocent life in the abusive house I live din, or throwing that innocent life into the same homeless mess or wolfpen I was headed for.
Yeah, quantity is NOT better than quality, and all whore sshould die, lol.
There r plenty of women how have had childrend after refusing to have an abortions & their kids r fine & doing well...look for the ad during the super bowl "Tim Tebow" He is the NVP & champion for college fotball this year & that is cuz his mom decided not to go through the abortion after meeting w/ the doctor & being at the abortions clinic. that whole homeless shit that u said is stupid cuz there is so much help out there. religous organization that will help u w/ the prenancy & provide for u.
For some wierd reason those numbers sound way off. I would like a link please or reference to those percentages. I just got back from Nashville & visited w/ 40 of my friends.This ministry called heart cry ministry. Millionaries donate to this ministry & the money to provide for women who are pregnant & went there after changing their mind about an abortion. The ministry provides for them before & after the child is born..I asked "what do the women have to give" they said "nothing..its all free"
My personal experiences adds to it as a 'wanted' child, and the horror stories you hear about foster parents and the movie white oleander stand for themselves as well.
I mention white oleander because in high school I knew a boy who grew up since birth in a group home and told me it was a lot like the place the girl went to- fighting kids, ect.
@jonyrock777 says: & the money to provide for women who are pregnant & went there after changing their mind about an abortion. The ministry provides for them before & after the child is born.
~~~~~~~~~~ What in the hell does "after the child is born" mean? They pay for private school, college, Braces, pianos for their lessons, sports gear for little league?
@jonyrock777 "what is the real argument"? It is for YOU to stay out of MY life. Isn't that what conservatives always say? Less Government interfering with the lives of everyday people? Stay out of my bedroom. Stay out of my womb. Let ME decide what choices I need to make for MY self, and I will let you YOU do the same. THAT is our argument.
@PaulinaPaulino The choice is what birth control to use BEFORE you get pregnant. We are dealing with a HUMAN LIFE. No one has the right to intentionally end another human's life. Period.
@kimchidressagemama So, Kim, If a woman is pregnant, and gets sick, and her doctor informs her that the only way to save her life would be to have an abortion, then YOUR response would be "Sorry, girl, you have to die."
@BenjaminWirtz No. You have just presented what is called a "Straw Man" argument: something that has nothing to do with conversation and is designed to distract.
The LAW of the LAND, as determined by the SUPREME COURT and guaranteed by the US CONSTITUTION, is that I have the RIGHT to be left alone in my personal medical decisions.
You bringing up "Assault", which is illegal, as a way to justify you taking away my constitutional rights is just STUPID, and shows you have no argument.
No, a straw man is something completely unrelated to a topic. Just because something has been declared legal does not mean we have no right to talk about it. Should early abolitionists just shut up because slavery was legal? Yes assault is illegal, but I bring it up to demonstrate that you don't and shouldn't have the right to do whatever you want in the confines of your own home.
@BenjaminWirtz You are comparing an Illegal activity and comparing it to a legal one. If I disagree with you burning the US Flag (which is legal) I would not start our conversation by asking "Should you have the freedom burn down flag factories?" (which is not).
Part 2 of your rant is I "shouldn't have the right to do whatever you want in the confines of your own home." Yes, I DO, and so do you, if it is legal. You don't like it? TOO BAD. I never said you could not talk about it.
@BenjaminWirtz Please, next time you try and talk out of your ass about what is and is not a straw man make sure you are not talking to an English Teacher, OK?
"Straw man arguments often arise in public debates such as a (hypothetical) prohibition debate: Person A: We should liberalize the laws on beer. Person B: No, any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification."
You have just shown the world what an idiot you are.
@BenjaminWirtz One does not create a "Red Herring" by avoiding a question...A Red Herring would be if I answered it in such a way in order to lead you astray...do you NEVER tire of looking foolish?
And finally, I did not "Avoid your Question." Instead, I IGNORED your question, because it was STUPID.
If it was a stupid question, then it should be easily debunked.
I think think you are avoiding it because you do not have an answer. You end up looking more foolish by not answering than by answering with a wrong answer.
To remind our viewers, here was your question that I said was stupid to this discussion: "Should you have the freedom to beat and abuse your child in the privacy of your own home?"
The answer is no. Assault in the US is illegal.
Explain to our audience why you feel beating a child is the same as a person going to a hospital for a legal medical procedure that involves neither a child nor being in my own home.
One of the key issues and the one particular to this argument is that of the right to privacy. Now most would acknowledge that abusing your child in the privacy of your own home is bad, therefore, the right to privacy is not absolute. Legality has no bearing on morality. A fetus can be scientifically proven to be as human as the child. It has unique human DNA and has human parents. Also, ad hominum is not the best way to win a debate.
The argument here stems from the right to privacy. Since we agree abusing your child in the privacy of your own home is wrong, then the right to privacy is not absolute. Legality has no bearing on morality. A fetus can be scientifically proven to be as human as that child. It has unique human DNA with 2 human parents. Also, ad hominem is not the best way to win an argument.
@BenjaminWirtz First of all, I did NOT agree “abusing your child in the privacy of your own home is wrong”. I said assault is ALWAYS a crime. It is a CRIME whether it happens on Main Street or your bedroom. Assault has nothing to do with LOCATION. That has got to be the STUPIDEST argument I have ever heard.For example:You have the right to attend any church you want to. Does that mean that if you assault someone in a church that "The right to attend church is not absolute?"
@BenjaminWirtz You say "The argument here stems from the right to privacy". NO, moron, only in your mind is there an argument. There IS no argument. The case went to the Supreme Court and was DECIDED. You LOST. The argument is OVER.
Do you want to also talk about bringing back slavery? That too, has been decided. That too, is OVER.
You are trying to sound like an intellectual, when you are a MORON. Do you not see how STUPID you are?
Slavery, perfect example, if the argument had been over then the abolitionists would have had no right to argue against slavery. Even when an Amendment is passed it can be repealed, such as in the case of the 18th Amendment, so an argument is never over. Theoretically, someone could try to argue to bring back slavery, but subjugating someone based on race is wrong because it is immoral not because it is illegal. Do you fail any student who disagrees?
Personal rights only extend as far as is possible to do without interfering with someone else's personal rights, since there is another person involved, 2 if you count the father, then it interferes with the other's rights.
If students are not allowed to express differing opinions it is not education but indoctrination.
@BenjaminWirtz So what we agree on is that I have the Constitutional Right to make a very personal decision, even though it pisses you off, and that you are trying to take my rights away, correct? That is your entire argument.Do you not understand that if I allow you to take this right away, my next thought would be what OTHER rights do you want to take away, just because YOU don't agree with them? We are back to what I wrote here a year ago: the real argument is for YOU to stay out of MY life.
@BenjaminWirtz You want to take away my constitional rights. That is your stated purpose. I assume you want to take away my second amendment rights as well?
@BenjaminWirtz Are you going back to being an ignorant asshole? You are aware that the Supreme Court said it was? But, I guess you are smarter than all them.
I am aware of that. However there have been terrible supreme court cases such as Plessy vs. Ferguson or Korematsu v. US, (it allowed for Japanese concentration camps). Are you going to claim that those were just merely because the Supreme court said they were Constitutional? Sometimes they go beyond interpreting the Constitution and push their own agenda.
@BenjaminWirtz So you are so stupid you cannot remember what you wrote 3 days ago?We already talked about slavery(and by extension "separate but equal").Those amendments took AWAY people's rights.That was why they were overturned.Which is what I told you 4 days ago,and you agreed with.So you are AWARE that I have the right, and you want to take that right AWAY from me, correct?
If you want to take away that one, why not my second amendment right? Or, do you only support rights YOU agree with?
@BenjaminWirtz A while back you chided me for not answering a question you posed of me. In our conversations, I have asked a few from you, none of which you have answered. This time I insist:
None, at the moment, but I do plan to once I am married and financially stable. However, even if I never did that would not make my argument invalid because I could then ask that if you haven't adopted a homeless person that you don't care about homeless people.
@BenjaminWirtz YAY! You finally responded to a question I asked you. Of course, you gave a totally subjective answer. Your answer is effect was "None."
Shall we try one of the OTHER questions I asked but you refused to answer?
"Why must you insist on putting yourself in my private life?"
I would get involved in your private life only in so much as something immoral is going on, such as rape, murder, child abuse, or abortion. Would you want me to ignore rape and murder because it occurred "privately"?
No, that is not what I am saying. There is a difference between moral law and civil law. There was a time in this country when slavery was legal, however by moral law it never was. If I had a beer in my house, and stayed in my house, it would only effect me. An abortion effects another person, the unborn baby. If you smoke in your house, it only effects you, but if you do it in a crowd of people you could violate others' rights. It is the same principal.
@BenjaminWirtz@BenjaminWirtz First, that is EXACTLY what you are saying. You are saying you will ignore CIVIL law because you have a Higher MORAL law.
You probably feel it is OK to murder abortion doctors because you are saving fetuses. That's the Moral Law your side uses.
So, would it be OK for ME to murder a bartender that is serving a glass of wine to a pregnant woman because my moral law sees it as causing fetal alcohol syndrome, and is hurting the fetus?
Murdering an abortion doctor is comparable to Jack Ruby murdering Lee Harvey Oswald. Was it right for him to take it into his own hands when his life wasn't in danger? Someone drinking alcohol is not even on the same level. Now if the bartender allowed someone to drive away drunk and they ended up killing someone in an accident, then they should be held accountable. I also know plenty of pro-lifers who have been assaulted, so really the violence goes both ways.
@BenjaminWirtz You never cease to amaze me with the stupid things you say. "I also know plenty of pro-lifers who have been assaulted"...are you STUPID? How many "pro-lifers" have WANTED POSTERS put out on them? How many have their homes staked out? They get ASSAULTED because they are trying to stop CITIZENS from using their RIGHTS. If you tried to stop me from getting medical care I needed? I would kick you in the nuts.
@BenjaminWirtz So, now we are debating "Moral Law". I assume we can come to the conclusion that what I consider moral and what YOU consider moral may be two different things?
Example: I am a lesbian. I have no Moral problem with it. You may. SO, if "Moral Law" is subjective to the person that is thinking it, then it is too subjective to enforce.
Who the hell are YOU to tell me I have to follow YOUR moral law? Should I be allowed to force YOU to follow MINE? If no, then STFU.
If moral law is subjective, then no one could say Hitler was a bad guy because in his view he was being moral. Now unless you want to claim that Hitler was in fact moral in his own way, then there has to be objective morals.
Getting back to the heart of it, abortion is morally wrong because it is killing something that is as human as anyone. Biologically the same only at a lower stage of development.
I don't think lesbians should be rounded up or anything.
There is evidence to suggest that it was part of Hilter's moral idea. he wanted the "perfect race". Most murderers have moral justifications at least in their mind.
If morals are relative like you say, what right do you have to call Hitler a murderer? According to his morality he was doing what was right.
@BenjaminWirtz YOU brought up Hitler, you stupid ass! Don't take my word for it, READ back thru these posts, moron, YOU are the one who brings him up. What's next? Are you going to be like the rest of your buddies, MURDERING innocent, law abiding DOCTORS? Is there NOTHING you won't do to live like the hero you are defending here, HITLER? HIS ends justified the means TOO. YOU WANT TO MURDER LIVING BREATHING PEOPLE, MEN AND WOMEN, GOING ABOUT THEIR LIVES, AS LONG AS YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT.
I brought up Hitler because I was showing you what is wrong with the moral relativist position. he lived in a society where killing Jews was a good thing, a moral absolutist like me would say that is wrong, a moral relativist could not because in his society it was moral, that was the point I was trying to make. Now if I have misrepresented the relativist view please, enlighten me.
That is not what I am saying but PaulinaPaulino's view on morality suggests he was so it is in fact PaulinaPaulino and the moral relativists who think Hitler was a good guy. I was simply following her line of reasoning to its logical conclusion.
Let me know if you want the link: in a the cases of maternal and mental health it comes out to 6.1% of 50,000,000 abortions...in cases of rape its amongst 2.1%. ......25% was cuz women didnt feel like having a child at that time...10.8% is because they wanted to go to college or have a caerer..so what is pro choices real agruement?
learn how to spell then you can say that.......and i think if a 13 yr old girl got repeated and was impregnated then she can have an abortion i mean really you don't want to put her through that
well if insurance won't cover abortions for people who don't use birth control method to it limits then I"m sure less people will be paying for it with tax money. as for the teenagers the parents can tell them they can't get one. Or pay up the extra cash to get it done.
Roe vs Wade was decided during the term of a Republican president 7 to 2 by the Burger court, one of the most conservative courts in the late 20th century. Three of the justices that Nixon appointed voted for it.
well Im for abortion I did not understand so much because Im swedish but come on, the fetus isnt even a human yet, abortion isnt murder at all, Im suprised about how many americans r against it!
Its true that the phrase "women's health" has been abused to mean almost anything. If a women says pregnancy is making her depressed she can get a late term abortion aka infanticide.
OMG, whether you like McCain or not, there's no denying he's a horrible debator! No wonder he wanted to suspend his campaign! Nice guy but mediocre at this stuff!
Yeah it's touchy... Actually I would still call it murder in the case of rape or a broken condom.
I can definitely understand why people would choose to abort in these cases ( especially rape ) but to kill an innocent human becuse of that is still murder.
If an abused wife kills her husband that is called murder and in that case he is not even innocent!!!!
And the broken condom excuse. Killing for convenience is defintely murder i my books.
I think what it comes down to though is when you think a soul is born. Some people believe a person has a soul coming into this world, others think it's automatically instilled when conceived. Very controversial topic, I find it quite funny how most Pro-Choicers are men.
Of course you can think people have no souls, which ever way you prefer. Contrary to what you think, someone doesn't have to be religious to believe in souls. I never actually said I was against or for abortion, I just stated that it is a controversial topic, I'm sorry if I implied something and you took it the wrong way.
I'm not religious but I believe people have souls. What is relevant? If one has no soul, the body is all there is. The human body is a mechanism to help us live. Therefore abortion should not be banned, because a person is just a machine. But many people equate soul with being individuality, and heart and all that lovely stuff. So you can look at it in either way, that's my opinion.
OK I'm not from USA, I'm learning english as my second language that is the reason I'm watching this video in the first place but, in my opinion Obama is the clear winner since he elaborated more on his arguments that the other guy you can see right away that Obama is more prepared for the debate.
Look up Margaret Sanger the founder of Planned Parenthood. She was a Racists and a strong believer of Eugenics! I bet she's happy you are still Caring out her work.
From 2004 to 2008, George Tiller performed 1928 late term abortions in Kansas according to the Kansas Dept of Health & Environment.
Over 99% of those late term abortions were performed on babies without any defect, did not involve any risk of death to the mother, and involved no medical emergency.
Google "Kansas abortion statistics" and review the official Kansas stats for yourself.
These babies are killed for convenience, not medical necessity.
Lets see, what is the best way to take away a persons rights? mmmmm yeah kill them.. that usually does it. women have a choice to create life or not to create life. they do not have the choice to kill an innocent life though. if a women doesn't want to have a baby. she should not get pregnant.
How could anybody in the world vote for someone who agree's with...when a baby survives an abortion and is now outside the womb that the baby is going to be killed!!!!!!!!! wake up people this is a massacre how could anyone do that and this needs to be overturn, what world do we live in what would God say
You didn't listen to a word he said did you? First of all: the Hippocratic Oath demands that the doctor provide treatment, law or no. Second, at the time of the bill the law already existed that care would have to be administered.
Obama voted against it because the bill contained something that was already a law and undermined another, it's that simple. Calm down, think, research and stop with the knee-jerk reactions.
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Obama is the only person i know that can say a thousand words but never say anything of any importance. I zone out every time he talks not because i don't like him but because i cant find a point because he never makes one.
All i said was that Obama can talk alot and avoid answering questions very easily ,and rarely can i see the point he was trying to make. So this makes me ignorant ??? What scares me is people will disregard there own judgment defending this guy. He is gonna lose next election if he doesn't then this country loses. Bush on steroids must go away.
"All i said was that Obama can talk alot and avoid answering questions very easily ,and rarely can i see the point he was trying to make. So this makes me ignorant ???"
YES, it does. Ignorance is the very definition of not knowing. He answers every question put to him, it's just that every answer put to him CAN NOT ALWAYS BE ANSWERED IN 10 WORDS OR LESS.
You see, somethings are COMPLICATED and need careful explanation.
Your answer makes no sense. It is a logical fallacy. When Obama is asked a question he very rarely answers it, i know this because i listen to his hole answer and 99.9 percent of the time he just talks around the question and never truthfully answers it. I know this, which makes me not ignorant, and instead i am smart and well informed. You have a serious case of confused and i love Obama syndrome. The cure is 10 percent knowledge
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obama is a lier, you cant vote for something 4 TIMES and then turn around and say something different. abortion is a monstrous practice, dont get pregnant if you dont want a kid bottom line, and if you get pregnant and dont want it, put the child up for adoption there are many people in this country who would love to have a child of their own who cant.
"obama is a lier, you cant vote for something 4 TIMES and then turn around and say something different. abortion is a monstrous practice, dont get pregnant if you dont want a kid bottom line, and if you get pregnant and dont want it, put the child up for adoption there are many people in this country who would love to have a child of their own who cant."
Let's say your mother was raped and became pregnant. So she went to the doctor and the doctor said she would die if she gave birth to the child, but if she got the abortion she would live. And she asked you to help make the decision.
Would you deny her her chance to live? Or would kill the Fetus?
"Let's say your mother was raped and became pregnant."
That would not happen because my mother would have taken precautions against pregnancy (meaning the morning after pill, I *believe* its brand name is "Plan B").
What in the hell are you talking about? I think you've got me confused with someone else here.
If you had bothered to *read* my statement, you would see I said *THE MORNING AFTER PILL*, as the name suggests, you take that *after* an unprotected sexual encounter (such as your described scenario of a Rape victim).
My "religion", I'm afraid, has to sometimes take a backseat to the problems of *today*. And, unfortunately, not every problem today can be solved by reminiscing the "good ole' days"
You know what.... I think I'd better sit back and let the adults talk about this, after all I'm just a 15 year old teen trying to understand life. Plus I just can't understand what you are saying.
I apologies for bothering you, but you have not altered my views on abortion. Good luck!
I AM PRO CHOICE..BUT BUT BARRY HUSSIEN IS A FUCKING LIAR.
kmcl11 6 months ago
McCain is absolutely right here. 'health of the mother' has been stretched so far that if a woman walked into an abortion clinic with a headache they'd use that as a 'threat to the mother's health'.
azn1011 7 months ago
Looking up pro life/ pro choice videos for a final project...
I normally spend time on youtube watching music videos and tv clips like an average teenager, this causing me to say "whatever", lets throw in a relevant view.
I opted to sit and listen to Obama and Mcain speak.
Many tell me how eloquent Obama is, and now listening to him speak, I am astounded. He is so well rounded and well spoken, I look forward to how this video is received by my classmates.
writerchickxoxo 7 months ago
mccain blinks every half second haha
squashplaya0313 8 months ago
If Cindy McCain was dying due to a problem pregnancy, you can bet that McCain would change his tune very quickly with regard to that 'health of the mother' thing.
charadester 9 months ago
word to the wise...for a group of people (christian conservatives) who bitch constantly about what's constitutional I hope you realize that our supreme court is very clear on this. a woman has the right to privacy and your desire to ban abortion is unconstitutional. thus, this is a baseless debate that will never result in an unconstitutional ruling...you lose.
TheHuntress144 9 months ago
McCain was telling the truth about Obama but lying about himself. McCain himself has a "Pro-choice" voting record.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@LORDMCHUGH You call me a murderer.A Murderer is one who commits the "unlawful killing of a human being".I have never done this, or ever promoted it. But, you, in all your Christian Charity, feel it is proper to do so,and then not apologize for it.
Therefore,using you as an example, the only thing I can conclude is the reason you are anti-choice is because you want more babies to be born so that you,a pedophile,can continue to rape them with impunity.You are disgusting,and I am thru with you.
PaulinaPaulino 1 year ago
@LORDMCHUGH If you wish to continue a rational, intelligent, and reasoned discussion of the issue of abortion, then I will accept your apology for you calling me a murderer, and we can continue.
PaulinaPaulino 1 year ago
@LORDMCHUGH You say I am "Killing Innocents" .. WHAT A STUPID, MORONIC, INFANTILE thing to say. Because my opinion is different than yours YOU CALL ME A MURDERER. WHAT A JUVENILE THING TO SAY.
I have never been pregnant, nor have I ever encouraged anyone to have an abortion.
By your own words you reveal the clueless, close-minded, ignoramus that you are.
By your own words what you say is "Agree with me or I will call you a murderer, though I have no facts and have never met you".
PaulinaPaulino 1 year ago
@LORDMCHUGH I am glad that you feel you are standing up for the rights of the unborn.
Tell me, when will you start standing up for the rights of the BORN?
PaulinaPaulino 1 year ago
@LORDMCHUGH A Separate life? No. But, as long as it's hooked up to me? Yes, it absolutely is my choice, and it is absolutely none of your business. And THAT is the point: IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. That is my pro-choice argument. I am not Anti Life: If you were pregnant? I would not go up and scream at you to "Abort your fetus!" Please stop telling me what to do, and I won't tell you what to do, ok?.
PaulinaPaulino 1 year ago
a thing that makes him not have to go. As Jessse Ventura said, "Bush is a chicken Hawk." You shouldnt be in other countries anyway. That's what pisses me off bout america. Your leaders have made so many people suffer. And in israel also. You give so much to the Israelis and palestine gets nothing. THat is why israel is so strong compared to palestine. I guess the huge majority of jews in congress is working wonders... And obama is just in it for the banks, there is no difference between rep
EndorphineT78 1 year ago
I hope the republicans get in next term so that america can get fucked well an truly in the ass to the point that it will take years to escape from. all you do is invade and take from other countries and take what is not rightly yours. e.g iraq and most probably in the near future Venezuela. Please Mccain or Palin finish what George W Bush started and that is never-ending wars on nothing that will plunge your economy into the fiery depths of hell. PEACE!
EndorphineT78 1 year ago 3
@EndorphineT78 I <3 your comment SO much!
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat haha cheers
EndorphineT78 1 year ago
@EndorphineT78 lol, im an american and should hate your comment but for some reason i love.
eradicaar 1 year ago
@eradicaar haha i was angry at the time. although i love us cities and the people, i hate your polotics with a passion. People like bush and Obama give the us a bad name. Bush is a chicken hawk fucking cunt. ITs okay for him to send other mothers troops to fight in a 'war on nothing,' al quada doesnt exist, and i dont know why theyre fighting the taliban they used to be allies. Its all to do with wall street a small minority profit from war greatly. But when it is his turn to go to war he signs
EndorphineT78 1 year ago
im so glad Obama won!!
Natalyy07 1 year ago
Obama sounds like a robot..
Slushyfreeze 1 year ago
There are other ways of self abortions. You can't force a person to bare a child if they don't want too. McCains motive was to attack and not understand the situation. In the event that a women is raped, isn't it her choice as to if she wants to keep a child? Would any women want to be faced with that circumstance? Basically every situation is different! Anti-Abortion ppl, if your going to rally against abortion, help the ppl who are stuggling with raising the children that they have!
Ladiebugeyes 1 year ago 3
It weird how republicans want the baby to live, but when the baby comes out, they dont want to help for healthcare to help the baby live..
TheGabby07 1 year ago
I didn't realize President Obama was writing, I thought he was sleeping. LOL!
Purplesquirrrelzz 1 year ago
Watch the video of the nurse who was at the Illinois hospital where the baby lived...It was more than once and the protocol was to NOT give aid to the baby you just mangled...let it lay in pain and die. Ya know, if you hit a DOG or CAT in the road, most people would stop and if it were alive, take it to a vet...but not a baby that was "UNWANTED" by the "MOTHER" and HOW do you call yourself a MOTHER when that is the person who is supposed to LOVE you and PROTECT you. Comfort you as you die...
PunkiMclovin94 1 year ago
@PunkiMclovin94 But doesn't it make more sense than letting it suffer its entire life from health issues, or physical deformations? Or worse, be another unwanted, abused child. Kids are mean man. You should know this from personal experience growing up. I get what you're saying, but you have to think ahead with it too.
got2brockin 1 year ago
@PunkiMclovin94 says: and the protocol was to NOT give aid to the baby you just mangled...let it lay in pain and die.
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Oh please, stop the prolife drama. There is not ONE single abortion today that can produce a live fetus...so dont worry your pretty liitle head, and stop bringing up antiquated news thats irrelevent today! . You people utterly amaze me!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@PunkiMclovin94 says: how do you call yourself a motherwhen that is the person who is supposed to LOVE you and PROTECT you
~~~~~~~~~~ The same way we call the women a "mother" who throws her child away for someone else to deal with ..through adoption
Sueezee1 1 year ago
Watch the video of the nurse who was at the Illinois hospital where the baby lived...It was more than once and the protocol was to NOT give aid to the baby you just mangled...let it lay in pain and die. Ya know, if you hit a DOG or CAT in the road, most people would stop and if it were alive, take it to a vet...but not a baby that was "UNWANTED" by the "MOTHER" and HOW do you call yourself a MOTHER when that is the person who is supposed to LOVE you and PROTECT you. Comfort you as you die...
PunkiMclovin94 1 year ago
Fact! - If abortion offends your religion, moral highground, yet 'justifies' abuse of the natural maternally intellectual rights of a womens freedom to choose, u need to reconsider your 'own' right, to share this earth with the rest of the human race, or change your religious affinity, or get a partner who will stand by you for the reason you tried to procreate in the first place. Unquestionable love, respect, & undying urge to share your life, cos u are YOU! If not they don't deserve YOU!
121Bollox 1 year ago 5
Fact! Who the fuck are these two muppets to dictate to a woman, how, what, where, when or how?
Fact! Grow a pussy, open it to fucktards with micro-penile littleman syndrome, or a well-stocked turkey-baster, for those with penis envy, house a foetus for 9 months, then pop that li'l spring chicken outta that glory-hole... alternately, STFU, & practice shitting bowling balls!
Fact! - If you have, said pussy, wait until you're ready,& do the same.. or ADOPT a child from a LIKEMINDED PERSON?
121Bollox 1 year ago 2
Why don't they have the whole debate?
missyloo 1 year ago
@missyloo "Why don't they have the whole debate?"
Because the person who uploaded the video did not McCain's rebuttal to be viewed.
longlivetheking58 1 year ago
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh -obama
pissingpeopleoff109 1 year ago
Instead of urging pregnant women not to drink,I think we should encourage alcoholic women to not get pregnant.
FrostyManElemental 1 year ago
Lmao... stupid religious conservative should have no say in other peoples' reproductive rights..and they call liberals nazis? Ha. Read a book
sithxnew 1 year ago 35
ur a fucking dumbass there not reproductive rights you dumbshit it says in the ten commandments that you shouldnt kill if you dont belive in god it savs in US law that you shouldnt kill you fucking pro murder fag
pissingpeopleoff109 1 year ago
@pissingpeopleoff109 Learn to spell and write a sentence you illiterate caveman. Not everybody believes in a 'God', so fuck off, Hitler. And the world isn't ruled by some stupid book, and 'supposed laws', written by random people. Make a good arguement instead of looking like a fucking 10 year old with autism.
sithxnew 1 year ago
@pissingpeopleoff109 Yet ironically, right after giving Moses the Ten Commandments, God tells Moses and those loyal to him to take up arms and kill those who had been worshiping the golden calf. Not to mention the millions of casualties in wars started by countries taught to follow the Ten Commandments (not just the US). The point being there is a big difference between cold blooded murder, "needs of the many" killing, and waging war.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@sithxnew What reproductive issue? It's a murder issue we're talking about here. And what book were you sujesting to be read?
desasterz 1 year ago
@desasterz Any history book thats not written by a retard? And its not murder, the FETUS isn't even developed. I agree there should be a law banning LATE TERM ABORTIONS. It snot your choice. What if I said eating meat was murder in my religion? Its perspective.
sithxnew 1 year ago
@sithxnew You said exactly what I feel on the subject. Thank you!
got2brockin 1 year ago
@sithxnew
Nazis were for abortions, especially for Jews and other "undesirables"
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz Only a STUPID ASS would bring up NAZI in connotation with ANY topic. I will give you time to look up the definition of the word connotation, just like I had to educate you on "Straw Man", "Red Herring" and now, "Nazi".
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
i must say.... abortion is a real complicated subject.
on the one hand it really is immoral. if you have sex, you may get pregnant and you must accept that. It is no one's fault but yours. (and im not talking about medical reasons or rape, ok?)
but on the other hand it is not the governments responsibility to say that immoral things should be illegal.
but then again the little baby never had a chance to choose whether it wanted to live or not....
ahahahaaAHAHAHAHhAhAhAhAhAh :( confusing
chestateegold 2 years ago
generally, the government shouldn't pass laws against things just because they're immoral, unless they have a practical impact on other people. it's certainly a tricky balance between the rights of the child and the rights of the mother. if continuing with the pregnancy is likely to cause serious medical problems for the mother, she can have an abortion because her life is not less important than the baby's. as for rape, she had no say in having a baby so let her have an abortion.
93parklife 2 years ago
Let me know if you want the link: in a the cases of maternal and mental health it comes out to 6.1% of 50,000,000 abortions...in cases of rape its amongst 2.1%. ......25% was cuz women didnt feel like having a child at that time...10.8% is because they wanted to go to college or have a caerer..so what is pro choices real agruement?
jonyrock777 2 years ago
those figures don't surprise me. i'd consider myself a liberal in most areas but i think the left has really got this issue wrong. abortions for social reasons are completely unacceptable. i'm british and i'd imagine it's the same both sies of the atlantic. i'd be interested in that link please.
93parklife 2 years ago
Yeah you are right...what people dont know is that Roe vs Wade took place in texas were abortions was legal to save the womens life...and I dont know why that is pro choices agrument if that how it was pre 1973..why cant they be honest and say "damit we just want the choice to kill our child because we dont want to feel the shame & carry the responsiblity" there are some good looks that WIKI will link you to at the buttom..."abortions in the united states"...YOU ARE A TRUE LEFT!
jonyrock777 2 years ago
@jonyrock777 Yeah, I was a dumb unxtain slut who had irresponsible sex WITH protection at 14, so by all means I deserved to end up homeless or in the state wolfhouse living like an animal getting beaten and even RAPED by OTHER TEENS AND CHILDREN, or raising an innocent life in the abusive house I live din, or throwing that innocent life into the same homeless mess or wolfpen I was headed for.
Yeah, quantity is NOT better than quality, and all whore sshould die, lol.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
There r plenty of women how have had childrend after refusing to have an abortions & their kids r fine & doing well...look for the ad during the super bowl "Tim Tebow" He is the NVP & champion for college fotball this year & that is cuz his mom decided not to go through the abortion after meeting w/ the doctor & being at the abortions clinic. that whole homeless shit that u said is stupid cuz there is so much help out there. religous organization that will help u w/ the prenancy & provide for u.
jonyrock777 2 years ago
@jonyrock777 Really? There's o much help?
Then why the 70% homeless population?
Why the more than 60% INCARCERATION population?
I wish I lived in as happy a fantasy world as you, but unlucky for me, I don't.
I know what it's like to have to steal for food and clothes when you're 10 years old, do you?
To be completely overlooked by the rest of your church, by CPS?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
For some wierd reason those numbers sound way off. I would like a link please or reference to those percentages. I just got back from Nashville & visited w/ 40 of my friends.This ministry called heart cry ministry. Millionaries donate to this ministry & the money to provide for women who are pregnant & went there after changing their mind about an abortion. The ministry provides for them before & after the child is born..I asked "what do the women have to give" they said "nothing..its all free"
jonyrock777 2 years ago
@jonyrock777 adoptamericanetworkDAWTorg
Front page lists it all.
My personal experiences adds to it as a 'wanted' child, and the horror stories you hear about foster parents and the movie white oleander stand for themselves as well.
I mention white oleander because in high school I knew a boy who grew up since birth in a group home and told me it was a lot like the place the girl went to- fighting kids, ect.
Only lots of rape, too.
And that noone cared or noticed.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@jonyrock777 says: & the money to provide for women who are pregnant & went there after changing their mind about an abortion. The ministry provides for them before & after the child is born.
~~~~~~~~~~ What in the hell does "after the child is born" mean? They pay for private school, college, Braces, pianos for their lessons, sports gear for little league?
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 And food. Don't forget food. Oh, maybe the host the little guy in THEIR uterus' for 9 months? Lmao. Good one Sueezee, Not sarcasm either.xD
got2brockin 1 year ago
@got2brockin says: dont forget food/host little guy in THEIR uterus for 9 mos
~~~~~~~~~~ Ohhh ya!! Food too...AND, designated "carrier"!! I love it! LOL
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@jonyrock777 "what is the real argument"? It is for YOU to stay out of MY life. Isn't that what conservatives always say? Less Government interfering with the lives of everyday people? Stay out of my bedroom. Stay out of my womb. Let ME decide what choices I need to make for MY self, and I will let you YOU do the same. THAT is our argument.
PaulinaPaulino 2 years ago 31
@PaulinaPaulino The choice is what birth control to use BEFORE you get pregnant. We are dealing with a HUMAN LIFE. No one has the right to intentionally end another human's life. Period.
kimchidressagemama 1 year ago
@kimchidressagemama So, Kim, If a woman is pregnant, and gets sick, and her doctor informs her that the only way to save her life would be to have an abortion, then YOUR response would be "Sorry, girl, you have to die."
MY response is STFU, it is none of your business.
PaulinaPaulino 1 year ago
@PaulinaPaulino
Should you have the freedom to beat and abuse your child in the privacy of your own home?
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz No. You have just presented what is called a "Straw Man" argument: something that has nothing to do with conversation and is designed to distract.
The LAW of the LAND, as determined by the SUPREME COURT and guaranteed by the US CONSTITUTION, is that I have the RIGHT to be left alone in my personal medical decisions.
You bringing up "Assault", which is illegal, as a way to justify you taking away my constitutional rights is just STUPID, and shows you have no argument.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
No, a straw man is something completely unrelated to a topic. Just because something has been declared legal does not mean we have no right to talk about it. Should early abolitionists just shut up because slavery was legal? Yes assault is illegal, but I bring it up to demonstrate that you don't and shouldn't have the right to do whatever you want in the confines of your own home.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz You are comparing an Illegal activity and comparing it to a legal one. If I disagree with you burning the US Flag (which is legal) I would not start our conversation by asking "Should you have the freedom burn down flag factories?" (which is not).
Part 2 of your rant is I "shouldn't have the right to do whatever you want in the confines of your own home." Yes, I DO, and so do you, if it is legal. You don't like it? TOO BAD. I never said you could not talk about it.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz Please, next time you try and talk out of your ass about what is and is not a straw man make sure you are not talking to an English Teacher, OK?
"Straw man arguments often arise in public debates such as a (hypothetical) prohibition debate: Person A: We should liberalize the laws on beer. Person B: No, any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification."
You have just shown the world what an idiot you are.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
and you have created a red Herring by avoiding the actual question.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz One does not create a "Red Herring" by avoiding a question...A Red Herring would be if I answered it in such a way in order to lead you astray...do you NEVER tire of looking foolish?
And finally, I did not "Avoid your Question." Instead, I IGNORED your question, because it was STUPID.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
If it was a stupid question, then it should be easily debunked.
I think think you are avoiding it because you do not have an answer. You end up looking more foolish by not answering than by answering with a wrong answer.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz All right, moron, I'll play.
To remind our viewers, here was your question that I said was stupid to this discussion: "Should you have the freedom to beat and abuse your child in the privacy of your own home?"
The answer is no. Assault in the US is illegal.
Explain to our audience why you feel beating a child is the same as a person going to a hospital for a legal medical procedure that involves neither a child nor being in my own home.
The world wants to see how stupid you are.
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@PaulinaPaulino
One of the key issues and the one particular to this argument is that of the right to privacy. Now most would acknowledge that abusing your child in the privacy of your own home is bad, therefore, the right to privacy is not absolute. Legality has no bearing on morality. A fetus can be scientifically proven to be as human as the child. It has unique human DNA and has human parents. Also, ad hominum is not the best way to win a debate.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
The argument here stems from the right to privacy. Since we agree abusing your child in the privacy of your own home is wrong, then the right to privacy is not absolute. Legality has no bearing on morality. A fetus can be scientifically proven to be as human as that child. It has unique human DNA with 2 human parents. Also, ad hominem is not the best way to win an argument.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz First of all, I did NOT agree “abusing your child in the privacy of your own home is wrong”. I said assault is ALWAYS a crime. It is a CRIME whether it happens on Main Street or your bedroom. Assault has nothing to do with LOCATION. That has got to be the STUPIDEST argument I have ever heard.For example:You have the right to attend any church you want to. Does that mean that if you assault someone in a church that "The right to attend church is not absolute?"
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz You say "The argument here stems from the right to privacy". NO, moron, only in your mind is there an argument. There IS no argument. The case went to the Supreme Court and was DECIDED. You LOST. The argument is OVER.
Do you want to also talk about bringing back slavery? That too, has been decided. That too, is OVER.
You are trying to sound like an intellectual, when you are a MORON. Do you not see how STUPID you are?
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
Slavery, perfect example, if the argument had been over then the abolitionists would have had no right to argue against slavery. Even when an Amendment is passed it can be repealed, such as in the case of the 18th Amendment, so an argument is never over. Theoretically, someone could try to argue to bring back slavery, but subjugating someone based on race is wrong because it is immoral not because it is illegal. Do you fail any student who disagrees?
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz I do fail students who disagree with facts.
Slavery, as you may know, was a DENIAL of rights. The 13th amendment RESTORED their rights.
The 18th amendment DENIED people rights. The 21st amendment RESTORED them.
The 14th Amendment ALLOWS me rights.
What you are advocating for is the DENIAL of my rights. Do you agree?
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
I agree with you about the Amendments.
Personal rights only extend as far as is possible to do without interfering with someone else's personal rights, since there is another person involved, 2 if you count the father, then it interferes with the other's rights.
If students are not allowed to express differing opinions it is not education but indoctrination.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz So what we agree on is that I have the Constitutional Right to make a very personal decision, even though it pisses you off, and that you are trying to take my rights away, correct? That is your entire argument.Do you not understand that if I allow you to take this right away, my next thought would be what OTHER rights do you want to take away, just because YOU don't agree with them? We are back to what I wrote here a year ago: the real argument is for YOU to stay out of MY life.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
There is no basis for Roe in the Constitution.
I will stay out of your life as long as it doesn't interfere with someone else's and in this case it does.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz You want to take away my constitional rights. That is your stated purpose. I assume you want to take away my second amendment rights as well?
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
Where in the Constitution could abortion be interpreted as being something that is protected? I support the second Amendment.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz Are you going back to being an ignorant asshole? You are aware that the Supreme Court said it was? But, I guess you are smarter than all them.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
I am aware of that. However there have been terrible supreme court cases such as Plessy vs. Ferguson or Korematsu v. US, (it allowed for Japanese concentration camps). Are you going to claim that those were just merely because the Supreme court said they were Constitutional? Sometimes they go beyond interpreting the Constitution and push their own agenda.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz So you are so stupid you cannot remember what you wrote 3 days ago?We already talked about slavery(and by extension "separate but equal").Those amendments took AWAY people's rights.That was why they were overturned.Which is what I told you 4 days ago,and you agreed with.So you are AWARE that I have the right, and you want to take that right AWAY from me, correct?
If you want to take away that one, why not my second amendment right? Or, do you only support rights YOU agree with?
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz Remember, Bennie, The Constitution is not there to protect things the majority agrees with. There is no need for that.
It is there to protect us from things that the majority does NOT agree with.
Why must you insist on putting yourself in my private life?
Why will you not leave me alone in my very personal medical decisions that have nothing to do with you?
And one more thing: How many adopted children do YOU have?
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
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@BenjaminWirtz One final post, so you see how stupid you are:
You: "Where in the Constitution could abortion be interpreted as being something that is protected?"
Me: "You are aware that the Supreme Court said it was."
You: "I am aware of that."
You SEE why I say you are an ignorant fool? You cannot even maintain your argument over a period of 1 hour.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz Finally, let me show you why I think you are an ignorant fool:
You: "Where in the Constitution could abortion be interpreted as being something that is protected?"
Me: "You are aware that the Supreme Court said it was?"
You: "I am aware of that."
Do you SEE why? You cannot even maintain your argument for an hour.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
Well then I guess the supreme court was also right about Plessy and the like.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz A while back you chided me for not answering a question you posed of me. In our conversations, I have asked a few from you, none of which you have answered. This time I insist:
How many adopted children do you have?
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
None, at the moment, but I do plan to once I am married and financially stable. However, even if I never did that would not make my argument invalid because I could then ask that if you haven't adopted a homeless person that you don't care about homeless people.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz YAY! You finally responded to a question I asked you. Of course, you gave a totally subjective answer. Your answer is effect was "None."
Shall we try one of the OTHER questions I asked but you refused to answer?
"Why must you insist on putting yourself in my private life?"
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
I would get involved in your private life only in so much as something immoral is going on, such as rape, murder, child abuse, or abortion. Would you want me to ignore rape and murder because it occurred "privately"?
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz So, you equate rape, murder, and child abuse, all of which are illegal, to abortion, which is not?
Just because YOU don't like it?
By this, I can come to your house and get involved in YOUR private life if you were having a beer, because I don't like that?
Is that what you are saying? That as long as someone doesn't like something, they don't have to follow the law?
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
No, that is not what I am saying. There is a difference between moral law and civil law. There was a time in this country when slavery was legal, however by moral law it never was. If I had a beer in my house, and stayed in my house, it would only effect me. An abortion effects another person, the unborn baby. If you smoke in your house, it only effects you, but if you do it in a crowd of people you could violate others' rights. It is the same principal.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz @BenjaminWirtz First, that is EXACTLY what you are saying. You are saying you will ignore CIVIL law because you have a Higher MORAL law.
You probably feel it is OK to murder abortion doctors because you are saving fetuses. That's the Moral Law your side uses.
So, would it be OK for ME to murder a bartender that is serving a glass of wine to a pregnant woman because my moral law sees it as causing fetal alcohol syndrome, and is hurting the fetus?
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
Murdering an abortion doctor is comparable to Jack Ruby murdering Lee Harvey Oswald. Was it right for him to take it into his own hands when his life wasn't in danger? Someone drinking alcohol is not even on the same level. Now if the bartender allowed someone to drive away drunk and they ended up killing someone in an accident, then they should be held accountable. I also know plenty of pro-lifers who have been assaulted, so really the violence goes both ways.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz You never cease to amaze me with the stupid things you say. "I also know plenty of pro-lifers who have been assaulted"...are you STUPID? How many "pro-lifers" have WANTED POSTERS put out on them? How many have their homes staked out? They get ASSAULTED because they are trying to stop CITIZENS from using their RIGHTS. If you tried to stop me from getting medical care I needed? I would kick you in the nuts.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz So, now we are debating "Moral Law". I assume we can come to the conclusion that what I consider moral and what YOU consider moral may be two different things?
Example: I am a lesbian. I have no Moral problem with it. You may. SO, if "Moral Law" is subjective to the person that is thinking it, then it is too subjective to enforce.
Who the hell are YOU to tell me I have to follow YOUR moral law? Should I be allowed to force YOU to follow MINE? If no, then STFU.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
If moral law is subjective, then no one could say Hitler was a bad guy because in his view he was being moral. Now unless you want to claim that Hitler was in fact moral in his own way, then there has to be objective morals.
Getting back to the heart of it, abortion is morally wrong because it is killing something that is as human as anyone. Biologically the same only at a lower stage of development.
I don't think lesbians should be rounded up or anything.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz NO, you stupid ass. Hitler was a MURDERER. That had nothing to do with his MORALS. Just how stupid do you want the world to see you?
"Abortion is morally wrong" TO YOU. I ask again, what right do YOU have to push YOUR morals on to someone else?
So take your morals and shove them up your ass. Leave me the F**K alone.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
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BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
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@PaulinaPaulino
There is evidence to suggest that it was part of Hilter's moral idea. he wanted the "perfect race". Most murderers have moral justifications at least in their mind.
If morals are relative like you say, what right do you have to call Hitler a murderer? According to his morality he was doing what was right.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz PEOPLE OF THE WORLD! READ THIS ASSHOLE'S CURRENT POST! THIS IS THE IDIOCY AND STUPIDITY WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST!
HE THINKS HITLER WAS A GOOD GUY!
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
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BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz YOU brought up Hitler, you stupid ass! Don't take my word for it, READ back thru these posts, moron, YOU are the one who brings him up. What's next? Are you going to be like the rest of your buddies, MURDERING innocent, law abiding DOCTORS? Is there NOTHING you won't do to live like the hero you are defending here, HITLER? HIS ends justified the means TOO. YOU WANT TO MURDER LIVING BREATHING PEOPLE, MEN AND WOMEN, GOING ABOUT THEIR LIVES, AS LONG AS YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT.
PaulinaPaulino 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino
I brought up Hitler because I was showing you what is wrong with the moral relativist position. he lived in a society where killing Jews was a good thing, a moral absolutist like me would say that is wrong, a moral relativist could not because in his society it was moral, that was the point I was trying to make. Now if I have misrepresented the relativist view please, enlighten me.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
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That is not what I am saying but PaulinaPaulino's view on morality suggests he was so it is in fact PaulinaPaulino and the moral relativists who think Hitler was a good guy. I was simply following her line of reasoning to its logical conclusion.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
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BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino you madea great point. thanks.
thatg98y6 11 months ago
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Let me know if you want the link: in a the cases of maternal and mental health it comes out to 6.1% of 50,000,000 abortions...in cases of rape its amongst 2.1%. ......25% was cuz women didnt feel like having a child at that time...10.8% is because they wanted to go to college or have a caerer..so what is pro choices real agruement?
jonyrock777 2 years ago
OBORTION IS MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whenigetcarriedaway 2 years ago
no its not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 2 years ago
learn how to spell then you can say that.......and i think if a 13 yr old girl got repeated and was impregnated then she can have an abortion i mean really you don't want to put her through that
WarmPeachTea24 2 years ago
so that must make mcCain a murder to cause he was in that army and killed people
bigNYYfan7 2 years ago
@whenigetcarriedaway
haha OBORTION????
get a little carried away i suppose?
chestateegold 2 years ago
well if insurance won't cover abortions for people who don't use birth control method to it limits then I"m sure less people will be paying for it with tax money. as for the teenagers the parents can tell them they can't get one. Or pay up the extra cash to get it done.
Rainshi 2 years ago
Well very soon our tax is going to be supporting abortion for teenagers. The Obamacare is getting close in passing.
Naturalhit 2 years ago
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we have a N!GGER for president and he is stupid!!!!!! he wants to kill babies!!!!!!!!!!!
Nick77085 2 years ago
YEAH I KNOW....he should start with you
DadoPennsylvania 2 years ago
Read Doe v. Bolton's definition of health of the mother and tell me that's not extreme.
Nulono 2 years ago
Roe vs Wade was decided during the term of a Republican president 7 to 2 by the Burger court, one of the most conservative courts in the late 20th century. Three of the justices that Nixon appointed voted for it.
TheKilgoretrout 2 years ago
lol yeah. :)
trumpetSL08 2 years ago
...more than with McCain. XD!
eljagg01 2 years ago
Abortion KILLS BABIES!
Women who get them are MURDERERS!
God LOVES BABIES!
There, anti-choicers, I've covered all your "arguments" for you. Take a day off from making fools of yourselves.
eljagg01 2 years ago
HA what arguments do you know how many mothers DIE while giving birth
itachifanboy1023 2 years ago
Sweetie, I'm 110% for choice. You didn't read. ^_^
eljagg01 2 years ago
so... you agreed with barack?
itachifanboy1023 2 years ago
lol, I wonder how many people misread that. makes me giggle. <3
Kiba450 2 years ago
well Im for abortion I did not understand so much because Im swedish but come on, the fetus isnt even a human yet, abortion isnt murder at all, Im suprised about how many americans r against it!
billiejeangirl123 2 years ago
Its true that the phrase "women's health" has been abused to mean almost anything. If a women says pregnancy is making her depressed she can get a late term abortion aka infanticide.
Castaril 2 years ago
OMG, whether you like McCain or not, there's no denying he's a horrible debator! No wonder he wanted to suspend his campaign! Nice guy but mediocre at this stuff!
ed4030 2 years ago
Abortion is a really touchy subject.
People can call it murder, because sure, it can be. But there are some exceptions:
1) Rape-; this could include incest. Would you enjoy having a child with your father, cousin, uncle, etc. etc?
2) Broken Condom-; You NEVER planned to having a kid, you can't afford it and such and such.
I know they aren't a lot of examples, but they're really BIG ones. :/
domoandyoshi123 2 years ago
Yeah it's touchy... Actually I would still call it murder in the case of rape or a broken condom.
I can definitely understand why people would choose to abort in these cases ( especially rape ) but to kill an innocent human becuse of that is still murder.
If an abused wife kills her husband that is called murder and in that case he is not even innocent!!!!
And the broken condom excuse. Killing for convenience is defintely murder i my books.
kefri916 2 years ago
I think what it comes down to though is when you think a soul is born. Some people believe a person has a soul coming into this world, others think it's automatically instilled when conceived. Very controversial topic, I find it quite funny how most Pro-Choicers are men.
TUULIFACE 2 years ago
And then the rational don't apply religious mumbo-jumbo concepts such as "souls" to deductive arguments regarding rights...
eljagg01 2 years ago
Of course you can think people have no souls, which ever way you prefer. Contrary to what you think, someone doesn't have to be religious to believe in souls. I never actually said I was against or for abortion, I just stated that it is a controversial topic, I'm sorry if I implied something and you took it the wrong way.
TUULIFACE 2 years ago
What is a soul if not a religious concept? I only said that it was irrelevant to the central issues, because it is.
eljagg01 2 years ago
I'm not religious but I believe people have souls. What is relevant? If one has no soul, the body is all there is. The human body is a mechanism to help us live. Therefore abortion should not be banned, because a person is just a machine. But many people equate soul with being individuality, and heart and all that lovely stuff. So you can look at it in either way, that's my opinion.
TUULIFACE 2 years ago
A "soul" is NOT a reason-based concept.
eljagg01 2 years ago
Many things in life are not reason-based. Anyways, this is pretty much a pointless "argument", so I'm going to go and have a life now, thank you.
TUULIFACE 2 years ago
In your life maybe. Have fun with your superstitions. :D
eljagg01 2 years ago
OK I'm not from USA, I'm learning english as my second language that is the reason I'm watching this video in the first place but, in my opinion Obama is the clear winner since he elaborated more on his arguments that the other guy you can see right away that Obama is more prepared for the debate.
guilaneni 2 years ago
Obama!
Look up Margaret Sanger the founder of Planned Parenthood. She was a Racists and a strong believer of Eugenics! I bet she's happy you are still Caring out her work.
jamin1632 2 years ago
This "health of the mother" is nonsense.
From 2004 to 2008, George Tiller performed 1928 late term abortions in Kansas according to the Kansas Dept of Health & Environment.
Over 99% of those late term abortions were performed on babies without any defect, did not involve any risk of death to the mother, and involved no medical emergency.
Google "Kansas abortion statistics" and review the official Kansas stats for yourself.
These babies are killed for convenience, not medical necessity.
tolivr 2 years ago
its murder, end of story.
artdamage3 2 years ago
Taking away another person's rights is wrong too.
Use common sense.
SpazzticGlitch 2 years ago
Lets see, what is the best way to take away a persons rights? mmmmm yeah kill them.. that usually does it. women have a choice to create life or not to create life. they do not have the choice to kill an innocent life though. if a women doesn't want to have a baby. she should not get pregnant.
slimyspartagus 2 years ago
Because ALL women plan to get pregnant. Always.
Lol what are you, stupid?
SpazzticGlitch 2 years ago
I agree with you but what about rape?
mynameisjonas45 2 years ago
hey tron abortions were legal before roe v wade when mom's life was in danger.
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
How could anybody in the world vote for someone who agree's with...when a baby survives an abortion and is now outside the womb that the baby is going to be killed!!!!!!!!! wake up people this is a massacre how could anyone do that and this needs to be overturn, what world do we live in what would God say
ScriptureCatholic 2 years ago
You didn't listen to a word he said did you? First of all: the Hippocratic Oath demands that the doctor provide treatment, law or no. Second, at the time of the bill the law already existed that care would have to be administered.
Obama voted against it because the bill contained something that was already a law and undermined another, it's that simple. Calm down, think, research and stop with the knee-jerk reactions.
MightyNeonFraa 2 years ago 4
"i gave men free will."
roaches146 2 years ago
Because he didn't agree with that?
SpazzticGlitch 2 years ago
for a good point of view, search for Ron Paul's answer... He is not a war hero, nor an attorney... He is a Oby Gyn... Yes a Dr...
soliloqy 2 years ago
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Obama is the only person i know that can say a thousand words but never say anything of any importance. I zone out every time he talks not because i don't like him but because i cant find a point because he never makes one.
philosoraptor4e 2 years ago
Your ignorance is at fault there, not Obama's words or speeches.
OrangeF1zz 2 years ago 2
All i said was that Obama can talk alot and avoid answering questions very easily ,and rarely can i see the point he was trying to make. So this makes me ignorant ??? What scares me is people will disregard there own judgment defending this guy. He is gonna lose next election if he doesn't then this country loses. Bush on steroids must go away.
philosoraptor4e 2 years ago
"All i said was that Obama can talk alot and avoid answering questions very easily ,and rarely can i see the point he was trying to make. So this makes me ignorant ???"
YES, it does. Ignorance is the very definition of not knowing. He answers every question put to him, it's just that every answer put to him CAN NOT ALWAYS BE ANSWERED IN 10 WORDS OR LESS.
You see, somethings are COMPLICATED and need careful explanation.
hotFusionReaction 2 years ago
Your answer makes no sense. It is a logical fallacy. When Obama is asked a question he very rarely answers it, i know this because i listen to his hole answer and 99.9 percent of the time he just talks around the question and never truthfully answers it. I know this, which makes me not ignorant, and instead i am smart and well informed. You have a serious case of confused and i love Obama syndrome. The cure is 10 percent knowledge
philosoraptor4e 2 years ago
shut up
victron6 2 years ago
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obama is a lier, you cant vote for something 4 TIMES and then turn around and say something different. abortion is a monstrous practice, dont get pregnant if you dont want a kid bottom line, and if you get pregnant and dont want it, put the child up for adoption there are many people in this country who would love to have a child of their own who cant.
guitartim12345 2 years ago
you can't even spell liar.
roaches146 2 years ago
"obama is a lier, you cant vote for something 4 TIMES and then turn around and say something different. abortion is a monstrous practice, dont get pregnant if you dont want a kid bottom line, and if you get pregnant and dont want it, put the child up for adoption there are many people in this country who would love to have a child of their own who cant."
God save us from know-nothing know-it-alls.
hotFusionReaction 2 years ago 2
Tell me this:
Let's say your mother was raped and became pregnant. So she went to the doctor and the doctor said she would die if she gave birth to the child, but if she got the abortion she would live. And she asked you to help make the decision.
Would you deny her her chance to live? Or would kill the Fetus?
morrisol2 2 years ago
"Let's say your mother was raped and became pregnant."
That would not happen because my mother would have taken precautions against pregnancy (meaning the morning after pill, I *believe* its brand name is "Plan B").
May I ask why such an obvious question?
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morrisol2 2 years ago
What in the hell are you talking about? I think you've got me confused with someone else here.
If you had bothered to *read* my statement, you would see I said *THE MORNING AFTER PILL*, as the name suggests, you take that *after* an unprotected sexual encounter (such as your described scenario of a Rape victim).
My "religion", I'm afraid, has to sometimes take a backseat to the problems of *today*. And, unfortunately, not every problem today can be solved by reminiscing the "good ole' days"
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morrisol2 2 years ago
You know what.... I think I'd better sit back and let the adults talk about this, after all I'm just a 15 year old teen trying to understand life. Plus I just can't understand what you are saying.
I apologies for bothering you, but you have not altered my views on abortion. Good luck!
morrisol2 2 years ago