As far as theology and the nde. Jesus said that Lazarus was sleeping when he brought him back to life? The bible says the dead know nothing? Do NDEs prove the bible to be wrong? Another incredible fact is that there was no artist around who wanted to paint this amazing man or describe him in any way?
As far as theology and the nde. Jesus said that Lazarus was sleeping when he brought him back to life? The bible says the dead know nothing? Do NDEs prove the bible to be wrong? Another incredible fact is that there was no artist around who wanted to paint this amazing man or describe him in any way?
What you just said was that you create a reality with what you are thinking? If that were so, ndes would have few similariities at all. The way you describe it, your mind controls the nde? Is it a dream or a reality? Wow. If thats so, its basically of no substance other then the brain in a dream state and the nde ends in death. This is depressing. I believe our true creator appears as ones god as to ease them into a feeling of familarity with what is before them. I don't understand you.
Name one person for us that...died.And then came back to life.This is simple question so please explain that to everybody.Who, after near-death expierence came back ti life and didn't sense, saw or hear anything?
@vkazanova Me. I died, and was legally dead for 7 minutes and 32 seconds. They called my T.O.D. (time of death.) Then the doctor had a last second idea and tried it. I came back. Did I see a tunnel and a bright light? did I see hell? NOPE. Didn't see shit. Was not aware of anything. no sight. no senses. no awareness. NO CONSCIOUSNESS.
hell i don't believe involves torture. hell is a place of judgment or in other words anything outside of heaven. you are kept out for as long as god says so and may not enter heaven until you complete your time outside or in other words you become a wandering spirit until you serve your time. of course this is my belief if the afterlife is real. say rene you say you're a philosopher. how will one see and hear and think without the physical body and what age do spirits look like?
@ultradumbass "Psyche" one of the Greek words used for "spirit" means mind or consciousness and my NDE research confirms that consciousness is the center of the experience. Thus, after leaving your body you become pure consciousness through the holy spirit, and this is how you 'see' and 'hear' on the other side.
There are different depths of "distressing NDEs" from purgatory like life-reviews to real hell-like experiences with demons, fire etc. However, most
agree that the other side is non-physical, which fits with science: 95% of the universe is energy, and after leaving the body our consciousness enters this non-physical dimension. This btw fits with Catholic teaching that Hell is the "a state of separation from God" (Pope John II) and I think all the focus on the physical body and literal interpretation of religion is quite silly and it does not fit with experiences of people who actually go there: NDEs.
..."what do spirits look like?" - I think the question is wrong because you are assuming that the non-physical dimension/-s are suppose to look like what you are used to here in this physical world - but that's the whole point: nothing 'looks' like or is like what we know in the body here in the physical. It is truly another realm.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom death would be terrifying without an afterlife and almost everyone in my family dies before the age of 60, some live only half that time. however fear means nothing of emotions unless the afterlife is true. i still didn't quite understand the part where you explain how consciousness causes you to see. i mean if it were true wouldn't the blind still be able to see based on their consciousness? this is an interesting topic and i'd like you to please reply to this.
@ultradumbass Actually, the blind are able to see during their NDE. Kenneth Ring did a study of 21 blind people, 14 blind from birth, and 80% of them were able to see during their NDE. Ring calls seeing with consciousness "mind sight" but yes its hard for us to understand how this is possible. However, if we see the brain as a receiver, a TV and consciousness as the signal, then its not hard to see how consciousness can exist independently of the receiver, TV/brain.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom is there anyone doing scientific experiments to understand how this is possible? from what i know there's been no experiments involving out of body and nde since 2008. if they are able to scientifically prove these existences it would probably change science and even the course of history. if these things really do exist i am sure it's not going to be impossible to find out since humans have done much that 50 even 10 years ago was considered impossible.
@ultradumbass The AWARE Study lead by Sam Parnia, the biggest NDE study ever finished this year and the results will be released in 2012. However, I think it will take some more time before we have final proof, e.g. when we can measure consciousness or know more about what it is, because right now we are trying to prove the immaterial through a science that is based on the material - quite a contradiction and that's why its not easy to do. But science already says 95% of our ..
@ReneJorgensenDotCom do you know what type of experiments they were doing and when in 2012 it will be released? i know there is more to science that is uncovered, i am not saying it is an impossibility however i hope that scientists eventually do the experiments i questioned on since it is vital to know if the spiritual can survive without the physical. will they eventually do tests on the dead? because if they can actually make successful experiments with dead people it would answer a lot more.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom if the afterlife is real then there are some things i don't think are true. an animal is going to have a conscious too then and so will plants. it would make no sense for only humans to have a conscious and i doubt hell can be a place of eternal torment since it would make god wrathful and i doubt a god is going to want to go and just destroy his own creation like that. do you agree with this?
@ReneJorgensenDotCom and how do we know the patients were physically dead? i know they conducted experiments on patients in a hypnosis but the scientists i have spoken to admitted they have never been able to conduct experiments on those actually dead. i think the only way to really know would be to have a patient die then say certain words or numbers, revive the patient and see if they actually could hear what was being said to them after they died.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom one more thing i almost forgot. you say it is possible for the signal to survive without the tv/brain but many people suffer from brain damage in this life time and can't think or remember anymore. so how will it be possible for them to survive in spirit form without it? i still propose that some scientists need to investigate this further. i don't think scientists have advanced quite far enough to say 100% that this is the case.
@ultradumbass If the receiver is damaged the damage is only to the receiver and not the signal, which is still intact. Also the question is up side down: if our true nature is the signal, consciousness or soul, then we are the signal and not the receiver.
I read that Satan was the most beautiful angel in heaven and when he wanted to be just like God , he and half the stars were put into hell!!! Stan to me is a "Father of all lies" as Jesus has said!! he is bad very bad! but he can also be sweet and kind!! but we must say no and fight this Demon!!!
Many will never b broken in life, When people r truly broken and they call out 4 God 4 help, even though they r unsure who or what is God, guess who turns up with a 'bang' Jesus Christ, everytime!
Dr Rene, According to my understand of Buddhist, Hell is the result of all our bad actions. Else why would Dying anything to do with dying is seeing hell, or feeling hell buring etc. There are probably few hells as I heard many were buring and screaming, like trap, and some are dark with demons. So listening to your analysis. I would be concluding soon to be that the determination of our actions would result in hell. Would a pure man or woman be afraid to die. No.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom i've died in 1997. I went 2 times, and i was pronounced dead. But i came back. But now i have some things like a 6th sence. I have some things in me. People can get really afraid of me, but i'm not agressive or deformed hé! I know where i've been, but it wasn't a hell, or an other god. Sorry. No imagination with me. But the things i know, they can't be explained, because i had no background or knowledge of such matters. I can't explain it really good...
@ReneJorgensenDotCom But now, my days are a bit like hell, since i'm a chronical pain patient.I had a very bad accident back then. I was on foot, and a drunk driver hit me at 110km/h. So now i'm in constant pain since 1997. I had 42 operations on that "short" time, they were all with full sedation. I'm 34 now, but since my 20th, i life in bad pains. It still is difficult, but i make the best of it. Now, i'm divorcing, since my wife couldn't take it anymore, because many times i'm out of the pain
@ReneJorgensenDotCom But, i have things i can't explain.Since then, i'm able to "read" somebody's mind, or can get liturally my mind around things.Or if somebody really really makes me mad, by hurting me "physically", and it really gets me bad, things happen to them.This is no joke.Not just some stuff, no, really really bad things happen to them. Since i found that out, i really avoid situations, afraid something really bad happens to them.All that since my 2 death experiences. Knowledge...
@ReneJorgensenDotCom But afraid since those near death, or death experiences, no, that i don't have. Not at all! I really stay calm in very stressed situations. It can get strange... And no, i'm not ill, they did all sorts of test on my, on my mind, my physical health, my brain... Nothing wrong with that. Just an ordinary guy really... Ok, see you later. Keep safe! Keep researching! Good luck!
@kiwichristian2009 Merriam-Websters Dictionary: ‘Fundamentalism is the literal interpretation of religion and a Fundamentalist is someone who believes that the Bible is the actual word of God, to be taken literally word for word.’ As history has been blood stained in the name of God, fundamentalism is something achieved by force through having power or authority over somebody else through the arrogant claim to hold the 'only truth.' As pride fundamentalism is a deadly sin.
@johnthreesixteen316 I am happy for you that Christ works for you, but I am good; thank you. Jesus is very inspirational and I quote him a lot in my work. However, I connect with God directly through the Spirit and this path is not only independent of Christ but also universal. At one level you can say I have accepted Jesus by understanding his core message, but what you suggest is Christian fundamentalism - and this is something I do not support because as pride, it is a deadly sin.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Hello friend. If you understand Christ's core message then you should understand this......."I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except by me." I'm afraid there isn't any 'universal' way. To reject Christ is to reject our only hope.
I don't know if you have you noticed that there are many different Christian churches and denominations? That should tell you that not all Christians agree about the message of Christ. In fact, different Christians read the bible in different ways: literal, symbolical, metaphorical, etc. Now, reading the bible literally, which has a name: fundamentalism, is only a minority of Christians: about 30% in the US. The majority of Christians are moderate and not fundamentalists.
Merriam-Websters Dictionary: ‘Fundamentalism is the literal interpretation of religion and a Fundamentalist is someone who believes that the Bible is the actual word of God, to be taken literally word for word.’ As history has been blood stained in the name of God, fundamentalism is something achieved by force through having power or authority over somebody else through the arrogant claim to hold the 'only truth.' As pride fundamentalism is a deadly sin.
"Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God! How incomprehensible are his judgments and how unsearchable his ways! For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?" - Romans 11:33
"We speak a message of wisdom among the mature...not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words." - 1 Cor. 1:6 – 13
So, my friend, I am afraid you are considered a immature Christian. As a mature Christian you can't stop at John 14:6 because in 14:7 Jesus tells us what "by me" means: "If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.: Through me means 'the Father in' Jesus that is in us "as well." This is why the Bible says: "the Kingdom is within" and "God dwells in you."
The path of God is through the Holy Spirit or Spirit of God - Jesus points this way but his name or person does nothing in itself.
And, my friend, since you do not have a patent on what is the core message of Jesus, I can tell you that I am a Christian too and that for me the core message is not John 14:6 and silly immature fighting over who has got the right religion. The core message for Christ for me is the commandment to love our neighbor best expressed through his words: "Love each other as I have loved you."
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Hello friend. Christianity has nothing to do with churches and denominations. Christ paid the penalty for the crimes of humanity so we don't have to. Give Him a call today. I think you know His number.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Oh....don't forget that Christ is God. There isn't any 'connection' to God without Him in the equation. There is no eternity beyond this life apart from Him. Give Him a call. He's standing by right now.
@johnthreesixteen316 So, there is no way I can sin if I accept Christ (since he paid for me in advance)??
I disagree and always will with fundamentalism: its pride and a deadly sin. And as I said; I am good with God. I try to love my neighbor - all of my neighbors in all cultures and religions - every day with as much genuine compassion and love as possible. That's how Christ comes alive according to me and that is how I connect with God in all living things.
...and about Christ being God; google "divi fillius" and you will find many sons of God, such as the Roman Emperor Augustus at the time of Jesus, who Christ was competing for the title with. Thus, Jesus, or rather the Council at Nicene had to use "only" Son of God. There is a method to the madness and an explanation for the insanity of religious fundamentalism. Wake up, my friend you have fallen asleep in Christ.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Hello friend. Everyone knows Christ is God. You, me and your neighbour all know who He is. Just some who willingly chose to deny the truth. There is no debate. There will be no excuse when we stand in front of Him someday. I'll be there ane you'll be there one of these days. And, at the conclusion of this day we will be another day closer.
@johnthreesixteen316 Don't call all Christians "everyone" - Speak for yourself. I told you already that as a Christian fundamentalist you are a minority: about 30% in the US and hardly anyone left in Europe, who has grown up after the Crusades, the Inquisition, etc. You would like there to be no debate and force everyone to think and believe like you, I am sure. But I am sorry to burst your bobble, most mature Christians and mainstream society rejects religious fundamentalism.
You should study history. Like I told you there were many Roman Emperor's who were 'Divi Fillius' - "Son of God." The Bible was not written by Jesus himself, in fact the Bible as we know it was put together in 325 at the Council at Nicene by the Roman Emperor Constantine - thus, Roman Catholic Church. This Council was called to settle the "Arian Conflict" (google this) and as there were many more Gospels there was also no agreement on the Incarnation of Jesus. Christians have never agreed.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Hello friend. You can do all of the love thy neighbour stuff you want. It won't save you. Eternal life is a gift of grace through faith, not of ourselves. Nobody said we don't sin. We are all sinners. It has nothing to do with pride. We have assurance that Christ has forgiven us. Our sins are washed away by His blood. Yesterday, today and tomorrow. Religion is man's ways and man's efforts vs Christianity which is God's way and God's effort, the exact opposite.
@johnthreesixteen316 Eternal life is a natural process - we all go to the other side when we die. You find life after death in all religions, and I actually study real experiences of life after death through research of near death experiences. As a fundamentalists you would like to have a patent on eternal life, so you can control people - but again I am sorry to burst your bobble. Eternal life is universal and on the other side only love and what we have done for our neighbor counts.
Yes, religious fundamentalism has everything to do with pride. The Bible says: "For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?" - Romans 11:33 - and yet, you fundamentalists claim to know it all as you both think and speak on behalf of God. This is extremely irreverent and the arrogance and pride that makes you think you speak for God, while you spread fear and intolerance in his name, is a serious sin. You lack humility and reverence and your pride is a deadly sin.
Being lost or having found God, has nothing to do with Jesus the person or his name. Sure, he points the way but the path is through the Holy Spirit or Spirit of God within each of us. You are right some people are lost - but others are not and many people have found God through the Spirit within, which is a universal path to God. So, when you attack your neighbor, who has found God, by saying s/he has not - this is serious intolerance and lack of love for your neighbor.
@kiwichristian2009 No, I am saying that neither God nor Jesus, but John wrote this line in John 14:6. And the Bible was put together not be God or Jesus or even the disciples, but the Council at Nicene in 325. So, I would be a little careful about what you read literally and proclaim as God's word. Also I would think twice about spreading fear and intolerance in the name of God - this is a serious sin.
..But I am saying that You are lying, when you insist on reading John 14:6 literally and claim this is the word of God. That's the lie created by the Roman Emperor Constantine in order to meet his political goal of uniting the Roman Empire under his rule. For this purpose John 14:6 fits but God has nothing to do with this - God is omni present: "over all, through all and in all" and cannot be confined to a name or book or any one religion.
Also as a mature Christian you can't stop at John 14:6 bec. in 14:7 Jesus tells us what 'through me' means: 'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.' Through me means 'the Father in' Jesus that is in us 'as well.' This is why the Bible says: 'the Kingdom is within' and 'God dwells in you.'
'We speak a message of wisdom among the mature...not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.' - 1 Cor. 1:6 – 13
for all of you wonderin what satan looks like is..... satan is beautiful satan once was an angel in heaven nd tha most beautiful 1.. how would satan decieve u in a ugly spirit or form he looks beautiful
I'd like to take issue with your assertion that Hell "is a product of our own imagination" but I'm not given space here to do so. Instead I'll say this, have you ever spoke to someone on the phone that you'd never met and then after meeting them say "You look different than I thought you would from hearing you on the phone?" If you have than your notion that hell is what one imagines is shattered. Hell was created BEFORE anyone's conception of it, therefore it's nothing like you'd imagine.
@MrTrueBlend If you want to correct people, you should begin by listening and understanding what is being said: "Hell is real" but "what does hell look like?" - "That is up to you based on your own imagination." This does NOT means that hell is only a product of your imagination and not real, but being real, the way it looks is up to your imagination. This conclusion is based on NDE research: the other side is not a literal physical place but a non-physical realm that interacts with our mind.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom : Actually, I wasn't trying to correct you. I merely took issue with a statement YOU MADE. Also, I never challenged your notion that Hell was/wasn't real. Your rubuttal seems grossly misplaced. This is easy, sir. AlI you have to do is read what I wrote and it's impossible to misconstrew. I will say this, Hell IS NOT "a non-physical realm that interacts with our mind." That denotes that Hell is somehow tied to our carnal imagery. This isn't true.
@MrTrueBlend I did not make the statement you said: Hell "is a product of our own imagination" and there is a huge difference between this statement and what I really said. Only you cannot comprehend this difference. OK, so if Hell is not a non-physical place then where is it? Can you show us on a map? Pope John II's definition of Hell as "the separation from God" fits with NDE research and what I am saying.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom: That is exactly what you said (see: 5:00-5:04 of your own video). You seem to harbor a complex about being challenged...this is because you can't concieve of EVER being wrong about anything. I'd suggest that you do not put your views in a video if you do not wish to be presented with a view that may oppose your own.
@MrTrueBlend I say in an "ultimate sense" and the context is in relation to a literal interpretation of hell AND in relation to God as the ultimate reality - "true nature." Of course this difference you do not understand.
You are challenging me with nothing. I have given you the sources of all my research - while you have given me nothing - but still you somehow know it all. Are we simply to take your word for this? If you can't stay on topic you are wasting my time and this talk is over.
I based my interpretation of scripture, the interpretation of hell by the Catholic church, my studies of the meaning for the words and concepts: Hel, Hades, and Shaal, and case studies of real experience of Hell in near death experiences.
What do you have? Your opinion and your friends experience - that all you have given - and sorry that is simply too little for a reasonable debate on this issue. Your mere opinion does not stand up to all my research - so, you are not challenging anyone.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom I would also like to add that blocking users from posting comments on your videos detracts from your credibility as an objective researcher.
@torchizzle Deleting and blocking users who use rude and aggressive language has nothing to do with my research. This is about respectful discourse which is how the real world works and something that many here on youtube still have to learn even when they hide their identify behind user names. But then, yes, sometimes I do delete or block if the discourse leads to nowhere because I do not what you or anyone else to take over my channel and fill it up with messages that have no relevance.
...The point is that no freedom is absolute and that all freedom can only exist under responsibility. This also goes for freedom of speech: If you e.g. shout "fire" in a crowded theater or "bomb" on an airplane you will quickly see that I am right. I am of an older generation before youtube and people got rude online, which I see as a issue since we have enough conflict already. I am not against criticism: only it has to be respectful and sometimes I add constructive if its just ego talk.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Further, you seem to have fallen in love with that fact that because you've done some case studies that you're absolutely right. Hence your video above. Might I submit, sir that you should try and study the notion that you might be wrong about certain aspects of your study.
@MrTrueBlend Sure I can be wrong, but my research is extensive, open minded and objective. I based my interpretation of scripture, the Pope of the Catholic church, my studies of the meaning for the words: Hel, Hades, and Shaal, AND case studies of real experience of Hell. This is quite a lot and more then simple belief. What exactly do you base yours on? (hopefully more than your opinion or the interpretation of one single religion)
@ReneJorgensenDotCom: I'd love to explain to you from where belief derived but there isn't enough room in the small box to explain it thoroughly. Suffice it say that it comes from a personal experience I had with a close friend. We both were raised with a healthy belief of Heaven and Hell and had both constructed what we thought both would look like. But found that our imaginations could never concieve the reality of Hell. NO MAN's imagination can.
@MrTrueBlend So, you base your belief on your friends personal experience? I respect that. But I base mine on the study of thousands of NDEs and hundreds of experiences of hell. And then I have done extensive research on the concepts of hell in Norse, Greek and Hebrew, studied scripture and the interpretation of the Catholic church. The weigh of this compared to your one experience is quite unparalleled - so, please show me some respect as well. If you strongly disagree: do your own video.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom: To study the after life is in no way a comparison to the actual experience. I respect the fact that you took an interest in learning what it is and collected data from different religions and cultures to better understrand it. But you will never FULLY understand it that way. Carnal minds can't concieve spiritual laws. BTW, I wouldn't do a video on this because my experience is my own...and I'm only an expert of it ALONE.
@MrTrueBlend The study of people who are clinically dead and have Near Death Experiences where they experience hell is "no way a comparison to the actual experience"? Well, then please tell me what is? You and your friends experience - is that the "actual experience" or what? You know the truth: but the rest of us do not - is that what you are saying? Your logic is very strange and you begin to appear more and more like a religious fundamentalist.
@ReneJorgensenDotCom: Religion? That's where you begin to show your complete ignorance. Religion and Spirituality are two diametrically different concepts.I don't have some video spewing my veiws about this subject...YOU DO. So to infer that my experience provides me with more "truth" than anyone else is a rather sophomoric assertion but I'm not surprised.Maybe the views you subscribe to apply to people who have NEAR death experiences and not those who are actually dead.
@MrTrueBlend I said "like a religious fundamentalist" and for your information: to arrogantly claim that you are right and everyone else is wrong is fundamentalism. Fundamentalism can be spiritual or even scientific. So, since I only have knowledge about "near" death and you know so much more than me, then you must have your knowledge from someone who was actually dead? You are a narrow minded disrespectful spiritual fundamentalist - go somewhere else and spread your 'religion' on the 'truth'!
@MrTrueBlend It seems to me you keep stating YOUR personal experiences/beliefs as universal, infallible truths. "But found that our imaginations could never concieve the reality of Hell. NO MAN's imagination can." So, because you can't, this subjective realization suddenly applies to the entirety of the human race? Your snide, undeserved comments towards Mr. Jorgensen reveal your grand personal bias towards the subject.
You picked a touchy topic Rene, but I appreciated your video.
Maybe energetically there is a basic reality...but that energy creates various images in the mind or psyche of the person. So, not just projection, but a projection in reaction to energies? It would seem that way to me.
What are you talking about? Obviously, you don't believe in a real hell because you would have said so. I thought you died and came back to life. You tell people it is up to themselves what to believe. I thought you had a story to tell. You are the one who is suppose to tell us what Satan looks like. You're talking sounds nothing more than an opinion...
Repond to revelation 12:3 well i think that he must have changed his appearance when he rebelled against God, or God changed lucifer's appearance. by the way, who is the woman thats suppose to flee to the wilderness and be feed for one thousand and two hundred and threescore days. this is mention in rev 12:1 and 12:6 thanks.
no disrespect to u sir, but how do u know that its only 6 percent that have hell like experiences. Also, i read that satan was made beautiful and third in line to god, but as according to the bible we were given free will, so was the angels of god given free will, and satan wanted to be god.
@REALMUSIC67 Multiple studies by Peter Fenwick, Margot Grey and PMH Atwater have found between 12 - 15% disstressing NDEs - of which Atwater estimates that about 5% were truly "Hellish" or hell-like. This is in Western NDEs while smaller studies in other cultures have found higher %. Jesus tells us how to know false prophets: "By their fruits you shall know them." While religious fundamentalists spread fear and intolerance, people who have NDEs become more loving, compassionate, forgiving, etc
@ReneJorgensenDotCom if the hellish part is true i don't believe they were really in hell. i think the spirits were upset because they had only just died and didn't know what to expect. hell in my opinion is where you are judged for your sins and purgatory/earth is where you wander for a certain amount of time after being judged. but please answer my question from the last comment i am curious to know more on how this sort of thing scientifically works.
If you didn't know you shouldn't have posted this video. I don't believe in reality is whatever it is to you. If you believe with all you ♥ there's o2 on the moon and you go there without a helmet you'll suffocate. If you believe gravity doesn't exist on earth and jump off a bridge you're going to go splat. You new agers can't change reality with your beliefs like you think you can no matter how hard you think.
@MultiDoomsday666 Satan is no threat to the Almighty God Jesus Christ, He will in the end end up in tha lake of fire burning with brimstone where the fire is never quenched and the worm dieth not,God will defeat satan once and for all in the battle of armegeddon which is sure to be in the next ten years or so the way this world is heading head first into regret because they have rejected Jesus Christ as there God and Saviour,
@willimax18 never underestimate you enemy foolish one...for satan has created a plan the only way u could truly hurt god is to use his children against him ....also satan cannot burn for wich he created the fire witch he baths in..you rely to heavely on your god and savior that you have allowd yourself to become week..i was week once and now nothing hurts me because i feel nothing....there is a saying my friend,,a child in the dark is fierd by those in the light
You will not go to hell UNLESS you TRULY repent. Not a simple prayer..but truly repent. you dont go unpunished..which is why we go thru unfortunate occurances day to day. That is our punishment from god. So we repented. God only wants the true repented. Satan is on this earth and in control of certain things like..destructive things. keep in mind that god is as well. This is what revelations is for. We learned..that Sept 11, katrina, turket and haiti earthquake are all in revelations. repent now
@ThomasWinkworth AN EXCELLENT QUESTION...... THIS IS WHAT IVE SEEN AND HEARD ON DOCUMENTARIES IT SAID AFTER GOD MADE HEAVEN HE SOON HAD TO MAKE A HELL FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS ...ANYONE FOR EXAMPLE MUSLIMS WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS WILL JOIN SATAN IN HIS DESTINY .MURDERERS CHILD KILLERS THE WICKED AT HEART ......IT IS ALSO SAID THAT THE ANGEL OF THE LORD WILL WEED OUT THE WICKED FROM THE JUST YOUR SAVED YOUR A BELIVER KEEP IN TOUCH IF YOU NEED TO KNOW ANY THING ELSE
@ThomasWinkworth satan is not in hell yet, he is the prince of the power of the air, u.f.o's, ghosts, all satanic demonic manefestation from interdemensional beings, don't be decieved by the alien lie, stay close to Jesus/God during this time
@snackbox1989 You are so right my friend. Satan can look like anything because he/it is interdimensional. The "grays" are just bio suits the fallen made for themselves to walk around in our 3-D plane. I wish people understood these facts. A whole lot of people will be deceived when the fallen choose to show themselves as "aliens" from other worlds bringing peace. Sad. And if people like you or me speak out about it, we'll see prison...or death. Say vigilant. God bless.
God gave us the free will to decide, most decide to live with sin full pleasure and material things such as money which is the root of all evil. God gave you his words but you decide not to obey and believe god, he gave you the chance but you wasted, he gave the salvation but you refused and chose hell
god gave us the free will, some people decide pleasure and material things that isaa why they go to hell just like you god gave you the free will but you decide not to obey him it is your fault god gave you the free will and you decide to go to hell
there was a man buried dead 3 days in mausoleum he was dead 3 day came back and said he seen hell for all that time its real people and everyone has a different level of pain
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hmmmm he looks like what we were taught, huh? Well why couldn't I have been taught that Satan looked like Winona Ryder (ya know, back when she was hot) dressed in the Slave Girl Outfit that Leia wore in Return of The Jedi, when she was being held hostage by Jabba the Hut......yeah....that's the Hell I want to got to!.....actually thats the Heaven I want to go to too!
lmao i feel sorry for all of u ppl all of u r going to hell if u dont belive in god in the real god allah come on there is still enough time for all of u to save ur selfs from hell just be muslim belive me u will relax and u will know the truth about the world u will be happy in ur life and afterlife u will go to heaven witch is 10000000000000000 time better than this life trust me know the reallity of islam and mohamad its way diffrent from what u hear from the bitches.
I honestly don't know what Satan looks like. I've never heard a point of view on how he looks. And honestly, I don't wanna know what he looks like & I don't intend on finding out. The Devil is a liar!!!!!!!!!!
Well I don't know if you know, but there is a point in the Bible where Jesus described Hell. But its been awhile since I've read up on it. Look it up for yourself if you want. It might be a good place for information. Yes-yes I know its from the Bible, and people may say "not good enough", but its still a good outlet or reliable outlet for people wanting to know what hell looks like.
@marinefrenzy They found two fossilized dead rivers by the Tigers and Euphrates. These are the Rivers "Pison" and "Gion" as they were told in the book of Genesis. These Fossilized rivers date back 6,000 years(Not saying the world is) It was said the Garden of Eden of was at the end of four running rivers. These two are the other two. That's one piece I could use.
My friend said he shook hands with Satan. He said he is a big black man with a goat shaped face with cat shaped eyes. I believe it because he's like my bro and is not the type of person to lie to me. Before he told me this he had a joking face on, but as soon as we got on the subject his face got serious. He said he sold his soul for guitar playing. I've been looking things up about Satan and everyone who has sold there sold said Satan is a big black man!!
@420blackjack....Satan, or Lucifer or whomever you want to call him is a regular person period. He wears a fedora hat, has long hair that is kinda curly, a goatee and moustache and can usually be seen wearing a 3 piece suit with (or without) trenchcoat. I have heard people say that he also carries a old time watch that hangs down from a pocket. I will not go into details of my encounter with this person. it only happened once and it was very brief (like no more than 4 seconds i saw him).
why is it so hard to belive that people can go to the other side? why do people clam that they are like fourtune tellers and say they can feel your vibes, are they satainc?
Thanks for sharing your perspectives and the findings of your research. I found listening (and reading the comments section too) proved to be not only interesting but validating in regards to the spiritual understandings that I myself have arrived at. It is through stages such as this, and through this type of research that humanity may become closer to evolving past things like fundamentalism and religious bias and bigotry. Your contributions are appreciated.
but how do you know god is into us? u never know, try to figure out how was the world created, and how the people created? people werent created by god. There was like Little sperm of fish in the seas, turning them into caveman. Once into caveman, it will turn into humans. But this doesnt mean im in the devil side. Im still in the good side. just IN CASE.
You are not the only Christian reading the Bible. Just like I described in 1999 Pope John Paul II described hell as "the state of those who freely and definitely separate themselves from God."
Now you will say that me and the Pope have no clue how to read the Bible, right? I think you need to look up "fundamentalism" in a dictionary!! There are Christians all over the world but only narrow minded people who are spiritually immature have the
Now, if you are still reading I will explain this separation from God: I say that Hell is only conceptually true and not ultimately true because different cultures project different images of Hell or Satan. However, this does not mean that the Separation is not real (at all). Hell, the separation, is real in a relative sense BUT it is not the ultimate reality. Since God is the ultimate truth the separation from God cannot be equally true. Hell as separation is ignorance of God's true nature.
But according to the book of the secrets of enoch and the bible itself at the end of the world hell will be opened and all the evil ones will be thrown in and the saved will be able to view hell as a giant valley filled with fire. In Luke note the parable of lazarus and the rich man, also jesus resurrected a lazarus in John so it could be the same story same guy but from different perspectives. But im pretty sure hell will be here on earth at some point.
The Pope and NDEs points to Separation. The Catholic Church has had almost 2000 years to study the Bible and as history shows: literal interpretation was not a good idea because it leads to fundamentalism. Besides literal, the Bible can also be understood symbolically or metaphorically and if you study the term "hell" you will find many different words: Tartarus, Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, etc. Clearly there is NO agreement in the Bible on how to understand
Didn't see shit. Was not aware of anything. no sight. no senses. no awareness. NO CONSCIOUSNESS.... that sounds like hell!!
Fender1976uk 2 weeks ago
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As far as theology and the nde. Jesus said that Lazarus was sleeping when he brought him back to life? The bible says the dead know nothing? Do NDEs prove the bible to be wrong? Another incredible fact is that there was no artist around who wanted to paint this amazing man or describe him in any way?
dallas5sb 3 weeks ago
As far as theology and the nde. Jesus said that Lazarus was sleeping when he brought him back to life? The bible says the dead know nothing? Do NDEs prove the bible to be wrong? Another incredible fact is that there was no artist around who wanted to paint this amazing man or describe him in any way?
dallas5sb 3 weeks ago
@dallas5sb That's called FAITH
vkazanova 1 day ago
What you just said was that you create a reality with what you are thinking? If that were so, ndes would have few similariities at all. The way you describe it, your mind controls the nde? Is it a dream or a reality? Wow. If thats so, its basically of no substance other then the brain in a dream state and the nde ends in death. This is depressing. I believe our true creator appears as ones god as to ease them into a feeling of familarity with what is before them. I don't understand you.
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vkazanova 3 weeks ago
Name one person for us that...died.And then came back to life.This is simple question so please explain that to everybody.Who, after near-death expierence came back ti life and didn't sense, saw or hear anything?
vkazanova 3 weeks ago
@vkazanova Me. I died, and was legally dead for 7 minutes and 32 seconds. They called my T.O.D. (time of death.) Then the doctor had a last second idea and tried it. I came back. Did I see a tunnel and a bright light? did I see hell? NOPE. Didn't see shit. Was not aware of anything. no sight. no senses. no awareness. NO CONSCIOUSNESS.
symptom1555 3 weeks ago
@vkazanova Angelica Zambrano youtube it!
babylana70 1 day ago
Duh he looks like a minator with wings, get it right GAAAAWD!
JamesSkuzz 1 month ago
I thought it was just picture of 'Satan'...
HDProductionsvids 1 month ago
hell i don't believe involves torture. hell is a place of judgment or in other words anything outside of heaven. you are kept out for as long as god says so and may not enter heaven until you complete your time outside or in other words you become a wandering spirit until you serve your time. of course this is my belief if the afterlife is real. say rene you say you're a philosopher. how will one see and hear and think without the physical body and what age do spirits look like?
ultradumbass 2 months ago
@ultradumbass "Psyche" one of the Greek words used for "spirit" means mind or consciousness and my NDE research confirms that consciousness is the center of the experience. Thus, after leaving your body you become pure consciousness through the holy spirit, and this is how you 'see' and 'hear' on the other side.
There are different depths of "distressing NDEs" from purgatory like life-reviews to real hell-like experiences with demons, fire etc. However, most
ReneJorgensenDotCom 2 months ago
agree that the other side is non-physical, which fits with science: 95% of the universe is energy, and after leaving the body our consciousness enters this non-physical dimension. This btw fits with Catholic teaching that Hell is the "a state of separation from God" (Pope John II) and I think all the focus on the physical body and literal interpretation of religion is quite silly and it does not fit with experiences of people who actually go there: NDEs.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 2 months ago
..."what do spirits look like?" - I think the question is wrong because you are assuming that the non-physical dimension/-s are suppose to look like what you are used to here in this physical world - but that's the whole point: nothing 'looks' like or is like what we know in the body here in the physical. It is truly another realm.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 2 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom death would be terrifying without an afterlife and almost everyone in my family dies before the age of 60, some live only half that time. however fear means nothing of emotions unless the afterlife is true. i still didn't quite understand the part where you explain how consciousness causes you to see. i mean if it were true wouldn't the blind still be able to see based on their consciousness? this is an interesting topic and i'd like you to please reply to this.
ultradumbass 1 month ago
@ultradumbass Actually, the blind are able to see during their NDE. Kenneth Ring did a study of 21 blind people, 14 blind from birth, and 80% of them were able to see during their NDE. Ring calls seeing with consciousness "mind sight" but yes its hard for us to understand how this is possible. However, if we see the brain as a receiver, a TV and consciousness as the signal, then its not hard to see how consciousness can exist independently of the receiver, TV/brain.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 1 month ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom is there anyone doing scientific experiments to understand how this is possible? from what i know there's been no experiments involving out of body and nde since 2008. if they are able to scientifically prove these existences it would probably change science and even the course of history. if these things really do exist i am sure it's not going to be impossible to find out since humans have done much that 50 even 10 years ago was considered impossible.
ultradumbass 1 month ago
@ultradumbass The AWARE Study lead by Sam Parnia, the biggest NDE study ever finished this year and the results will be released in 2012. However, I think it will take some more time before we have final proof, e.g. when we can measure consciousness or know more about what it is, because right now we are trying to prove the immaterial through a science that is based on the material - quite a contradiction and that's why its not easy to do. But science already says 95% of our ..
ReneJorgensenDotCom 1 month ago
...universe is energy or unknown matter. So, to claim there is more than meets the eye makes a lot more sense that to claim otherwise.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 1 month ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom do you know what type of experiments they were doing and when in 2012 it will be released? i know there is more to science that is uncovered, i am not saying it is an impossibility however i hope that scientists eventually do the experiments i questioned on since it is vital to know if the spiritual can survive without the physical. will they eventually do tests on the dead? because if they can actually make successful experiments with dead people it would answer a lot more.
ultradumbass 1 month ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom if the afterlife is real then there are some things i don't think are true. an animal is going to have a conscious too then and so will plants. it would make no sense for only humans to have a conscious and i doubt hell can be a place of eternal torment since it would make god wrathful and i doubt a god is going to want to go and just destroy his own creation like that. do you agree with this?
ultradumbass 1 month ago
@ultradumbass yes
ReneJorgensenDotCom 1 month ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom and how do we know the patients were physically dead? i know they conducted experiments on patients in a hypnosis but the scientists i have spoken to admitted they have never been able to conduct experiments on those actually dead. i think the only way to really know would be to have a patient die then say certain words or numbers, revive the patient and see if they actually could hear what was being said to them after they died.
ultradumbass 1 month ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom one more thing i almost forgot. you say it is possible for the signal to survive without the tv/brain but many people suffer from brain damage in this life time and can't think or remember anymore. so how will it be possible for them to survive in spirit form without it? i still propose that some scientists need to investigate this further. i don't think scientists have advanced quite far enough to say 100% that this is the case.
ultradumbass 1 month ago
@ultradumbass If the receiver is damaged the damage is only to the receiver and not the signal, which is still intact. Also the question is up side down: if our true nature is the signal, consciousness or soul, then we are the signal and not the receiver.
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yourtreat2 3 months ago
I read that Satan was the most beautiful angel in heaven and when he wanted to be just like God , he and half the stars were put into hell!!! Stan to me is a "Father of all lies" as Jesus has said!! he is bad very bad! but he can also be sweet and kind!! but we must say no and fight this Demon!!!
kitable2007 3 months ago
"Yama" the death lord is basically in Hinduism...
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youneekk 5 months ago
Satan come 2 deceive the world, this video feels like they r trying 2 deceive me, no credibility
masonleah10 5 months ago
Many will never b broken in life, When people r truly broken and they call out 4 God 4 help, even though they r unsure who or what is God, guess who turns up with a 'bang' Jesus Christ, everytime!
masonleah10 5 months ago
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4drftg7hyu8jyitt7id 5 months ago
Dr Rene, According to my understand of Buddhist, Hell is the result of all our bad actions. Else why would Dying anything to do with dying is seeing hell, or feeling hell buring etc. There are probably few hells as I heard many were buring and screaming, like trap, and some are dark with demons. So listening to your analysis. I would be concluding soon to be that the determination of our actions would result in hell. Would a pure man or woman be afraid to die. No.
jaquinblanc 5 months ago
@jaquinblanc Hell is simply the separation from you true nature, God, thus: Know yourself and recognize your essence - God is within.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 5 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom i've died in 1997. I went 2 times, and i was pronounced dead. But i came back. But now i have some things like a 6th sence. I have some things in me. People can get really afraid of me, but i'm not agressive or deformed hé! I know where i've been, but it wasn't a hell, or an other god. Sorry. No imagination with me. But the things i know, they can't be explained, because i had no background or knowledge of such matters. I can't explain it really good...
periesicsd 2 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom But now, my days are a bit like hell, since i'm a chronical pain patient.I had a very bad accident back then. I was on foot, and a drunk driver hit me at 110km/h. So now i'm in constant pain since 1997. I had 42 operations on that "short" time, they were all with full sedation. I'm 34 now, but since my 20th, i life in bad pains. It still is difficult, but i make the best of it. Now, i'm divorcing, since my wife couldn't take it anymore, because many times i'm out of the pain
periesicsd 2 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom But, i have things i can't explain.Since then, i'm able to "read" somebody's mind, or can get liturally my mind around things.Or if somebody really really makes me mad, by hurting me "physically", and it really gets me bad, things happen to them.This is no joke.Not just some stuff, no, really really bad things happen to them. Since i found that out, i really avoid situations, afraid something really bad happens to them.All that since my 2 death experiences. Knowledge...
periesicsd 2 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom But afraid since those near death, or death experiences, no, that i don't have. Not at all! I really stay calm in very stressed situations. It can get strange... And no, i'm not ill, they did all sorts of test on my, on my mind, my physical health, my brain... Nothing wrong with that. Just an ordinary guy really... Ok, see you later. Keep safe! Keep researching! Good luck!
periesicsd 2 months ago
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MrAlexisbeauchemin 6 months ago
1 Timothy 2:5. "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"
kiwichristian2009 6 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Merriam-Websters Dictionary: ‘Fundamentalism is the literal interpretation of religion and a Fundamentalist is someone who believes that the Bible is the actual word of God, to be taken literally word for word.’ As history has been blood stained in the name of God, fundamentalism is something achieved by force through having power or authority over somebody else through the arrogant claim to hold the 'only truth.' As pride fundamentalism is a deadly sin.
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hailtosatansvictory8 5 months ago
Hello Rene.....before you die, make sure you have accepted Christ as your personal saviour.
johnthreesixteen316 6 months ago
@johnthreesixteen316 I am happy for you that Christ works for you, but I am good; thank you. Jesus is very inspirational and I quote him a lot in my work. However, I connect with God directly through the Spirit and this path is not only independent of Christ but also universal. At one level you can say I have accepted Jesus by understanding his core message, but what you suggest is Christian fundamentalism - and this is something I do not support because as pride, it is a deadly sin.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Hello friend. If you understand Christ's core message then you should understand this......."I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except by me." I'm afraid there isn't any 'universal' way. To reject Christ is to reject our only hope.
johnthreesixteen316 6 months ago
I don't know if you have you noticed that there are many different Christian churches and denominations? That should tell you that not all Christians agree about the message of Christ. In fact, different Christians read the bible in different ways: literal, symbolical, metaphorical, etc. Now, reading the bible literally, which has a name: fundamentalism, is only a minority of Christians: about 30% in the US. The majority of Christians are moderate and not fundamentalists.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
Merriam-Websters Dictionary: ‘Fundamentalism is the literal interpretation of religion and a Fundamentalist is someone who believes that the Bible is the actual word of God, to be taken literally word for word.’ As history has been blood stained in the name of God, fundamentalism is something achieved by force through having power or authority over somebody else through the arrogant claim to hold the 'only truth.' As pride fundamentalism is a deadly sin.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
"Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God! How incomprehensible are his judgments and how unsearchable his ways! For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?" - Romans 11:33
"We speak a message of wisdom among the mature...not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words." - 1 Cor. 1:6 – 13
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
So, my friend, I am afraid you are considered a immature Christian. As a mature Christian you can't stop at John 14:6 because in 14:7 Jesus tells us what "by me" means: "If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.: Through me means 'the Father in' Jesus that is in us "as well." This is why the Bible says: "the Kingdom is within" and "God dwells in you."
The path of God is through the Holy Spirit or Spirit of God - Jesus points this way but his name or person does nothing in itself.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
And, my friend, since you do not have a patent on what is the core message of Jesus, I can tell you that I am a Christian too and that for me the core message is not John 14:6 and silly immature fighting over who has got the right religion. The core message for Christ for me is the commandment to love our neighbor best expressed through his words: "Love each other as I have loved you."
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Hello friend. Christianity has nothing to do with churches and denominations. Christ paid the penalty for the crimes of humanity so we don't have to. Give Him a call today. I think you know His number.
johnthreesixteen316 6 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Oh....don't forget that Christ is God. There isn't any 'connection' to God without Him in the equation. There is no eternity beyond this life apart from Him. Give Him a call. He's standing by right now.
johnthreesixteen316 6 months ago
@johnthreesixteen316 So, there is no way I can sin if I accept Christ (since he paid for me in advance)??
I disagree and always will with fundamentalism: its pride and a deadly sin. And as I said; I am good with God. I try to love my neighbor - all of my neighbors in all cultures and religions - every day with as much genuine compassion and love as possible. That's how Christ comes alive according to me and that is how I connect with God in all living things.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
...and about Christ being God; google "divi fillius" and you will find many sons of God, such as the Roman Emperor Augustus at the time of Jesus, who Christ was competing for the title with. Thus, Jesus, or rather the Council at Nicene had to use "only" Son of God. There is a method to the madness and an explanation for the insanity of religious fundamentalism. Wake up, my friend you have fallen asleep in Christ.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Hello friend. Everyone knows Christ is God. You, me and your neighbour all know who He is. Just some who willingly chose to deny the truth. There is no debate. There will be no excuse when we stand in front of Him someday. I'll be there ane you'll be there one of these days. And, at the conclusion of this day we will be another day closer.
johnthreesixteen316 6 months ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Don't call all Christians "everyone" - Speak for yourself. I told you already that as a Christian fundamentalist you are a minority: about 30% in the US and hardly anyone left in Europe, who has grown up after the Crusades, the Inquisition, etc. You would like there to be no debate and force everyone to think and believe like you, I am sure. But I am sorry to burst your bobble, most mature Christians and mainstream society rejects religious fundamentalism.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
You should study history. Like I told you there were many Roman Emperor's who were 'Divi Fillius' - "Son of God." The Bible was not written by Jesus himself, in fact the Bible as we know it was put together in 325 at the Council at Nicene by the Roman Emperor Constantine - thus, Roman Catholic Church. This Council was called to settle the "Arian Conflict" (google this) and as there were many more Gospels there was also no agreement on the Incarnation of Jesus. Christians have never agreed.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Hello friend. You can do all of the love thy neighbour stuff you want. It won't save you. Eternal life is a gift of grace through faith, not of ourselves. Nobody said we don't sin. We are all sinners. It has nothing to do with pride. We have assurance that Christ has forgiven us. Our sins are washed away by His blood. Yesterday, today and tomorrow. Religion is man's ways and man's efforts vs Christianity which is God's way and God's effort, the exact opposite.
johnthreesixteen316 6 months ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Eternal life is a natural process - we all go to the other side when we die. You find life after death in all religions, and I actually study real experiences of life after death through research of near death experiences. As a fundamentalists you would like to have a patent on eternal life, so you can control people - but again I am sorry to burst your bobble. Eternal life is universal and on the other side only love and what we have done for our neighbor counts.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
Yes, religious fundamentalism has everything to do with pride. The Bible says: "For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?" - Romans 11:33 - and yet, you fundamentalists claim to know it all as you both think and speak on behalf of God. This is extremely irreverent and the arrogance and pride that makes you think you speak for God, while you spread fear and intolerance in his name, is a serious sin. You lack humility and reverence and your pride is a deadly sin.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
Being lost or having found God, has nothing to do with Jesus the person or his name. Sure, he points the way but the path is through the Holy Spirit or Spirit of God within each of us. You are right some people are lost - but others are not and many people have found God through the Spirit within, which is a universal path to God. So, when you attack your neighbor, who has found God, by saying s/he has not - this is serious intolerance and lack of love for your neighbor.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom God tells us that the ONLY way to Him is through Jesus. Are you saying God lied?
kiwichristian2009 6 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 No, I am saying that neither God nor Jesus, but John wrote this line in John 14:6. And the Bible was put together not be God or Jesus or even the disciples, but the Council at Nicene in 325. So, I would be a little careful about what you read literally and proclaim as God's word. Also I would think twice about spreading fear and intolerance in the name of God - this is a serious sin.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
..But I am saying that You are lying, when you insist on reading John 14:6 literally and claim this is the word of God. That's the lie created by the Roman Emperor Constantine in order to meet his political goal of uniting the Roman Empire under his rule. For this purpose John 14:6 fits but God has nothing to do with this - God is omni present: "over all, through all and in all" and cannot be confined to a name or book or any one religion.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
Also as a mature Christian you can't stop at John 14:6 bec. in 14:7 Jesus tells us what 'through me' means: 'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.' Through me means 'the Father in' Jesus that is in us 'as well.' This is why the Bible says: 'the Kingdom is within' and 'God dwells in you.'
'We speak a message of wisdom among the mature...not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.' - 1 Cor. 1:6 – 13
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
for all of you wonderin what satan looks like is..... satan is beautiful satan once was an angel in heaven nd tha most beautiful 1.. how would satan decieve u in a ugly spirit or form he looks beautiful
davy1ryan 6 months ago
i thought you were going to tell us. you spent this whole time telling us something but you didnt even tell us what he looked like.
drummeerboi25 6 months ago
@drummeerboi25 The point of the video was that how or what 'Satan' looks like depends on your projection and cultural conditioning.
LightBehindGod 6 months ago
when you die, it is like tripping on DMT. seeing god or the devil are just hallucinations from jumbled signals from the brain.
ShootAllPigs 6 months ago
I'd like to take issue with your assertion that Hell "is a product of our own imagination" but I'm not given space here to do so. Instead I'll say this, have you ever spoke to someone on the phone that you'd never met and then after meeting them say "You look different than I thought you would from hearing you on the phone?" If you have than your notion that hell is what one imagines is shattered. Hell was created BEFORE anyone's conception of it, therefore it's nothing like you'd imagine.
MrTrueBlend 7 months ago
@MrTrueBlend If you want to correct people, you should begin by listening and understanding what is being said: "Hell is real" but "what does hell look like?" - "That is up to you based on your own imagination." This does NOT means that hell is only a product of your imagination and not real, but being real, the way it looks is up to your imagination. This conclusion is based on NDE research: the other side is not a literal physical place but a non-physical realm that interacts with our mind.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 7 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom : Actually, I wasn't trying to correct you. I merely took issue with a statement YOU MADE. Also, I never challenged your notion that Hell was/wasn't real. Your rubuttal seems grossly misplaced. This is easy, sir. AlI you have to do is read what I wrote and it's impossible to misconstrew. I will say this, Hell IS NOT "a non-physical realm that interacts with our mind." That denotes that Hell is somehow tied to our carnal imagery. This isn't true.
MrTrueBlend 7 months ago
@MrTrueBlend I did not make the statement you said: Hell "is a product of our own imagination" and there is a huge difference between this statement and what I really said. Only you cannot comprehend this difference. OK, so if Hell is not a non-physical place then where is it? Can you show us on a map? Pope John II's definition of Hell as "the separation from God" fits with NDE research and what I am saying.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 7 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom: That is exactly what you said (see: 5:00-5:04 of your own video). You seem to harbor a complex about being challenged...this is because you can't concieve of EVER being wrong about anything. I'd suggest that you do not put your views in a video if you do not wish to be presented with a view that may oppose your own.
MrTrueBlend 7 months ago
@MrTrueBlend I say in an "ultimate sense" and the context is in relation to a literal interpretation of hell AND in relation to God as the ultimate reality - "true nature." Of course this difference you do not understand.
You are challenging me with nothing. I have given you the sources of all my research - while you have given me nothing - but still you somehow know it all. Are we simply to take your word for this? If you can't stay on topic you are wasting my time and this talk is over.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 7 months ago
I based my interpretation of scripture, the interpretation of hell by the Catholic church, my studies of the meaning for the words and concepts: Hel, Hades, and Shaal, and case studies of real experience of Hell in near death experiences.
What do you have? Your opinion and your friends experience - that all you have given - and sorry that is simply too little for a reasonable debate on this issue. Your mere opinion does not stand up to all my research - so, you are not challenging anyone.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 7 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom I would also like to add that blocking users from posting comments on your videos detracts from your credibility as an objective researcher.
torchizzle 6 months ago
@torchizzle Deleting and blocking users who use rude and aggressive language has nothing to do with my research. This is about respectful discourse which is how the real world works and something that many here on youtube still have to learn even when they hide their identify behind user names. But then, yes, sometimes I do delete or block if the discourse leads to nowhere because I do not what you or anyone else to take over my channel and fill it up with messages that have no relevance.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
...The point is that no freedom is absolute and that all freedom can only exist under responsibility. This also goes for freedom of speech: If you e.g. shout "fire" in a crowded theater or "bomb" on an airplane you will quickly see that I am right. I am of an older generation before youtube and people got rude online, which I see as a issue since we have enough conflict already. I am not against criticism: only it has to be respectful and sometimes I add constructive if its just ego talk.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 6 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom Further, you seem to have fallen in love with that fact that because you've done some case studies that you're absolutely right. Hence your video above. Might I submit, sir that you should try and study the notion that you might be wrong about certain aspects of your study.
MrTrueBlend 7 months ago
@MrTrueBlend Sure I can be wrong, but my research is extensive, open minded and objective. I based my interpretation of scripture, the Pope of the Catholic church, my studies of the meaning for the words: Hel, Hades, and Shaal, AND case studies of real experience of Hell. This is quite a lot and more then simple belief. What exactly do you base yours on? (hopefully more than your opinion or the interpretation of one single religion)
ReneJorgensenDotCom 7 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom: I'd love to explain to you from where belief derived but there isn't enough room in the small box to explain it thoroughly. Suffice it say that it comes from a personal experience I had with a close friend. We both were raised with a healthy belief of Heaven and Hell and had both constructed what we thought both would look like. But found that our imaginations could never concieve the reality of Hell. NO MAN's imagination can.
MrTrueBlend 7 months ago
@MrTrueBlend So, you base your belief on your friends personal experience? I respect that. But I base mine on the study of thousands of NDEs and hundreds of experiences of hell. And then I have done extensive research on the concepts of hell in Norse, Greek and Hebrew, studied scripture and the interpretation of the Catholic church. The weigh of this compared to your one experience is quite unparalleled - so, please show me some respect as well. If you strongly disagree: do your own video.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 7 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom: To study the after life is in no way a comparison to the actual experience. I respect the fact that you took an interest in learning what it is and collected data from different religions and cultures to better understrand it. But you will never FULLY understand it that way. Carnal minds can't concieve spiritual laws. BTW, I wouldn't do a video on this because my experience is my own...and I'm only an expert of it ALONE.
MrTrueBlend 7 months ago
@MrTrueBlend The study of people who are clinically dead and have Near Death Experiences where they experience hell is "no way a comparison to the actual experience"? Well, then please tell me what is? You and your friends experience - is that the "actual experience" or what? You know the truth: but the rest of us do not - is that what you are saying? Your logic is very strange and you begin to appear more and more like a religious fundamentalist.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 7 months ago
@ReneJorgensenDotCom: Religion? That's where you begin to show your complete ignorance. Religion and Spirituality are two diametrically different concepts.I don't have some video spewing my veiws about this subject...YOU DO. So to infer that my experience provides me with more "truth" than anyone else is a rather sophomoric assertion but I'm not surprised.Maybe the views you subscribe to apply to people who have NEAR death experiences and not those who are actually dead.
MrTrueBlend 7 months ago
@MrTrueBlend I said "like a religious fundamentalist" and for your information: to arrogantly claim that you are right and everyone else is wrong is fundamentalism. Fundamentalism can be spiritual or even scientific. So, since I only have knowledge about "near" death and you know so much more than me, then you must have your knowledge from someone who was actually dead? You are a narrow minded disrespectful spiritual fundamentalist - go somewhere else and spread your 'religion' on the 'truth'!
ReneJorgensenDotCom 7 months ago
@MrTrueBlend It seems to me you keep stating YOUR personal experiences/beliefs as universal, infallible truths. "But found that our imaginations could never concieve the reality of Hell. NO MAN's imagination can." So, because you can't, this subjective realization suddenly applies to the entirety of the human race? Your snide, undeserved comments towards Mr. Jorgensen reveal your grand personal bias towards the subject.
You picked a touchy topic Rene, but I appreciated your video.
torchizzle 6 months ago
Satan looks just like god. Not real.
ChainsThatBind 7 months ago
Maybe energetically there is a basic reality...but that energy creates various images in the mind or psyche of the person. So, not just projection, but a projection in reaction to energies? It would seem that way to me.
jhgosnell 9 months ago
What are you talking about? Obviously, you don't believe in a real hell because you would have said so. I thought you died and came back to life. You tell people it is up to themselves what to believe. I thought you had a story to tell. You are the one who is suppose to tell us what Satan looks like. You're talking sounds nothing more than an opinion...
starsapphires 9 months ago
Repond to revelation 12:3 well i think that he must have changed his appearance when he rebelled against God, or God changed lucifer's appearance. by the way, who is the woman thats suppose to flee to the wilderness and be feed for one thousand and two hundred and threescore days. this is mention in rev 12:1 and 12:6 thanks.
REALMUSIC67 10 months ago
no disrespect to u sir, but how do u know that its only 6 percent that have hell like experiences. Also, i read that satan was made beautiful and third in line to god, but as according to the bible we were given free will, so was the angels of god given free will, and satan wanted to be god.
REALMUSIC67 10 months ago 2
@REALMUSIC67 Multiple studies by Peter Fenwick, Margot Grey and PMH Atwater have found between 12 - 15% disstressing NDEs - of which Atwater estimates that about 5% were truly "Hellish" or hell-like. This is in Western NDEs while smaller studies in other cultures have found higher %. Jesus tells us how to know false prophets: "By their fruits you shall know them." While religious fundamentalists spread fear and intolerance, people who have NDEs become more loving, compassionate, forgiving, etc
ReneJorgensenDotCom 10 months ago 5
@ReneJorgensenDotCom if the hellish part is true i don't believe they were really in hell. i think the spirits were upset because they had only just died and didn't know what to expect. hell in my opinion is where you are judged for your sins and purgatory/earth is where you wander for a certain amount of time after being judged. but please answer my question from the last comment i am curious to know more on how this sort of thing scientifically works.
ultradumbass 2 months ago
ur rite n its more to that please read revelation 12:3 thats his face it tellz u! read it
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JESSECHARO 11 months ago
if he had a form, it said he was once an angel and a very good looking one.
I'm guessing he was slender and muscular and looked like some sort of movie star with a white robe.
of course he's not this ugly little red guy with horns and a pitch fork.
he's perhaps now looks like an old guy just like God if angels can even age.
Joanthecutey 1 year ago
he looks like Scott from Keeping up with the Kardashians
frankconjr 1 year ago
he is powerfull but an archangel can kill him easily
cifuentiago33 1 year ago
If you didn't know you shouldn't have posted this video. I don't believe in reality is whatever it is to you. If you believe with all you ♥ there's o2 on the moon and you go there without a helmet you'll suffocate. If you believe gravity doesn't exist on earth and jump off a bridge you're going to go splat. You new agers can't change reality with your beliefs like you think you can no matter how hard you think.
mammal46 1 year ago
if satan is a prejectory of our mind then y is it that people have been woke up with scratches on there body? and pulled out of there bed?
MultiDoomsday666 1 year ago
@MultiDoomsday666 well there are demons or astral entities XD satan does exist but is not much powerfull Xd
cifuentiago33 1 year ago
@cifuentiago33 bull shit lol satan is powerfull..he must be if he is a threat to god lol
MultiDoomsday666 1 year ago
@MultiDoomsday666 Satan is no threat to the Almighty God Jesus Christ, He will in the end end up in tha lake of fire burning with brimstone where the fire is never quenched and the worm dieth not,God will defeat satan once and for all in the battle of armegeddon which is sure to be in the next ten years or so the way this world is heading head first into regret because they have rejected Jesus Christ as there God and Saviour,
willimax18 1 year ago
@willimax18 never underestimate you enemy foolish one...for satan has created a plan the only way u could truly hurt god is to use his children against him ....also satan cannot burn for wich he created the fire witch he baths in..you rely to heavely on your god and savior that you have allowd yourself to become week..i was week once and now nothing hurts me because i feel nothing....there is a saying my friend,,a child in the dark is fierd by those in the light
MultiDoomsday666 1 year ago
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jaqua524 11 months ago
@jaqua524 woops my bad
MultiDoomsday666 11 months ago
You will not go to hell UNLESS you TRULY repent. Not a simple prayer..but truly repent. you dont go unpunished..which is why we go thru unfortunate occurances day to day. That is our punishment from god. So we repented. God only wants the true repented. Satan is on this earth and in control of certain things like..destructive things. keep in mind that god is as well. This is what revelations is for. We learned..that Sept 11, katrina, turket and haiti earthquake are all in revelations. repent now
marywood11000 1 year ago
If this man doesn't believe of sin, then he is certainly a fool. Notice I said "if".
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72deamons 1 year ago
Does Satan suffer in Hell?
ThomasWinkworth 1 year ago
@ThomasWinkworth Yes, that's why he's there.
TheAmazingJimmy 1 year ago
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72deamons 1 year ago
@ThomasWinkworth satan is not in hell yet, he is the prince of the power of the air, u.f.o's, ghosts, all satanic demonic manefestation from interdemensional beings, don't be decieved by the alien lie, stay close to Jesus/God during this time
snackbox1989 1 year ago 16
@snackbox1989 totally agree brother, lets prepare for "2012" but it is going to be early Xd
cifuentiago33 1 year ago
@cifuentiago33 yeah, like major prophecies will be fulfilled soon, expect great stress and defend your family, this is the tribulation!
snackbox1989 1 year ago
@snackbox1989 yeahh i cant wait for it xD wanna fight against the dark side Xd
cifuentiago33 1 year ago
@snackbox1989 the same people that believe in god are the same people that believe in the power of air, ufo's, ghosts etc. your comment is funny.
SamJigga 1 year ago
@SamJigga o.k
snackbox1989 1 year ago
@snackbox1989 sorry, i believe in extraterrestrial life, but i believe in jesus and god as well
jaqua524 11 months ago
@snackbox1989 You are so right my friend. Satan can look like anything because he/it is interdimensional. The "grays" are just bio suits the fallen made for themselves to walk around in our 3-D plane. I wish people understood these facts. A whole lot of people will be deceived when the fallen choose to show themselves as "aliens" from other worlds bringing peace. Sad. And if people like you or me speak out about it, we'll see prison...or death. Say vigilant. God bless.
ghostgate82 11 months ago
@snackbox1989 hell yeah preach it.
DjMikal7 8 months ago
@snackbox1989 Amen friend! Satan is behind all of these things! Channeling, marian apparitions, ghosts, UFO's etc.
johnthreesixteen316 6 months ago
God gave us the free will to decide, most decide to live with sin full pleasure and material things such as money which is the root of all evil. God gave you his words but you decide not to obey and believe god, he gave you the chance but you wasted, he gave the salvation but you refused and chose hell
MRMYURA067 1 year ago
god gave us the free will, some people decide pleasure and material things that isaa why they go to hell just like you god gave you the free will but you decide not to obey him it is your fault god gave you the free will and you decide to go to hell
MRMYURA067 1 year ago
God is the Devil. The Devil is God
ransom247 1 year ago
if he is saying he will look like wat we want and hell is personal... the devil: ferris wheel, hell- theme park
Stingu42 1 year ago
there was a man buried dead 3 days in mausoleum he was dead 3 day came back and said he seen hell for all that time its real people and everyone has a different level of pain
Eadinis 1 year ago
@Eadinis the real god could not allow any being to stay in hell forever.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@Pokerislife7 That is scary.
mariesadler 1 year ago
Thanks for your opinion.
screwaccounts 1 year ago
You've given the most intellectual approach I've seen on this subject. Awesome video =].
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HoodwinkedbyanAngel 1 year ago
theory
sacrosanct8 1 year ago
hmmmm he looks like what we were taught, huh? Well why couldn't I have been taught that Satan looked like Winona Ryder (ya know, back when she was hot) dressed in the Slave Girl Outfit that Leia wore in Return of The Jedi, when she was being held hostage by Jabba the Hut......yeah....that's the Hell I want to got to!.....actually thats the Heaven I want to go to too!
frankensteinmoneymac 1 year ago
you don't go to hell without getting juged by god on judgement day
so stfu you stupid british talking motherfukcer
Vincenthusky 1 year ago
lmao i feel sorry for all of u ppl all of u r going to hell if u dont belive in god in the real god allah come on there is still enough time for all of u to save ur selfs from hell just be muslim belive me u will relax and u will know the truth about the world u will be happy in ur life and afterlife u will go to heaven witch is 10000000000000000 time better than this life trust me know the reallity of islam and mohamad its way diffrent from what u hear from the bitches.
PEACE! :)
777DarkNinja 1 year ago
I honestly don't know what Satan looks like. I've never heard a point of view on how he looks. And honestly, I don't wanna know what he looks like & I don't intend on finding out. The Devil is a liar!!!!!!!!!!
KXRB16 1 year ago
Well I don't know if you know, but there is a point in the Bible where Jesus described Hell. But its been awhile since I've read up on it. Look it up for yourself if you want. It might be a good place for information. Yes-yes I know its from the Bible, and people may say "not good enough", but its still a good outlet or reliable outlet for people wanting to know what hell looks like.
m22frogger 1 year ago
@m22frogger Tell me how the bible is reliable. Please. You may believe in it, but certainly not reliable.
marinefrenzy 1 year ago
@marinefrenzy They found two fossilized dead rivers by the Tigers and Euphrates. These are the Rivers "Pison" and "Gion" as they were told in the book of Genesis. These Fossilized rivers date back 6,000 years(Not saying the world is) It was said the Garden of Eden of was at the end of four running rivers. These two are the other two. That's one piece I could use.
m22frogger 1 year ago
My friend said he shook hands with Satan. He said he is a big black man with a goat shaped face with cat shaped eyes. I believe it because he's like my bro and is not the type of person to lie to me. Before he told me this he had a joking face on, but as soon as we got on the subject his face got serious. He said he sold his soul for guitar playing. I've been looking things up about Satan and everyone who has sold there sold said Satan is a big black man!!
420blackjack 1 year ago
@420blackjack....Satan, or Lucifer or whomever you want to call him is a regular person period. He wears a fedora hat, has long hair that is kinda curly, a goatee and moustache and can usually be seen wearing a 3 piece suit with (or without) trenchcoat. I have heard people say that he also carries a old time watch that hangs down from a pocket. I will not go into details of my encounter with this person. it only happened once and it was very brief (like no more than 4 seconds i saw him).
QuentinDude 1 year ago
Lucifer is a man who has long hair, a goatee and moustache and wears a top hat and trenchcoat.
QuentinDude 1 year ago
@QuentinDude actually, I heard he has long blond hair, and eyes like a snake.
Sledge070685 1 year ago
reminds me of that movie, "What dreams may come"
KandyREW 1 year ago
why is it so hard to belive that people can go to the other side? why do people clam that they are like fourtune tellers and say they can feel your vibes, are they satainc?
zappingoreo 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing your perspectives and the findings of your research. I found listening (and reading the comments section too) proved to be not only interesting but validating in regards to the spiritual understandings that I myself have arrived at. It is through stages such as this, and through this type of research that humanity may become closer to evolving past things like fundamentalism and religious bias and bigotry. Your contributions are appreciated.
dylysle 1 year ago
I KNOW IM NOT GOIN 2 HELL!
misty8924 2 years ago
How do you know you are not going to hell. did you talked to god or had a message from him ?
kamaaladiin 2 years ago 11
@kamaaladiin ive been saveed duh
misty8924 2 years ago
the one that saved you did he saved him self when was getting his ass whooped lol
kamaaladiin 2 years ago
but how do you know god is into us? u never know, try to figure out how was the world created, and how the people created? people werent created by god. There was like Little sperm of fish in the seas, turning them into caveman. Once into caveman, it will turn into humans. But this doesnt mean im in the devil side. Im still in the good side. just IN CASE.
ultimatewarrior994 1 year ago
@kamaaladiin ask yourself tht question too
roseliza2 1 year ago
@kamaaladiin how do you reason that the "god" you think you understand could allow anyone to be banned to hell forever?
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kamaaladiin email. god only uses email, i saw it in a commercial, it's true.
SamJigga 1 year ago
i am a christian and all i can say is that "HELL IS REAL!"
its not just a projection or in the mind but it real..
See what the bible says!
-In Jesus name!!
khumustakah 2 years ago
You are not the only Christian reading the Bible. Just like I described in 1999 Pope John Paul II described hell as "the state of those who freely and definitely separate themselves from God."
Now you will say that me and the Pope have no clue how to read the Bible, right? I think you need to look up "fundamentalism" in a dictionary!! There are Christians all over the world but only narrow minded people who are spiritually immature have the
arrogance to become religious fundamentalists.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 2 years ago
Now, if you are still reading I will explain this separation from God: I say that Hell is only conceptually true and not ultimately true because different cultures project different images of Hell or Satan. However, this does not mean that the Separation is not real (at all). Hell, the separation, is real in a relative sense BUT it is not the ultimate reality. Since God is the ultimate truth the separation from God cannot be equally true. Hell as separation is ignorance of God's true nature.
ReneJorgensenDotCom 2 years ago
But according to the book of the secrets of enoch and the bible itself at the end of the world hell will be opened and all the evil ones will be thrown in and the saved will be able to view hell as a giant valley filled with fire. In Luke note the parable of lazarus and the rich man, also jesus resurrected a lazarus in John so it could be the same story same guy but from different perspectives. But im pretty sure hell will be here on earth at some point.
afailuretocomply 2 years ago
The Pope and NDEs points to Separation. The Catholic Church has had almost 2000 years to study the Bible and as history shows: literal interpretation was not a good idea because it leads to fundamentalism. Besides literal, the Bible can also be understood symbolically or metaphorically and if you study the term "hell" you will find many different words: Tartarus, Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, etc. Clearly there is NO agreement in the Bible on how to understand