@youngstunna79: You should. Fight hard against them but use the techniques that you were taught. Masters and Senseis feel it's more disrespectful when a student is trying to start a street fight against them, then they will bring it back to you at their hardest and that usually won't be the greatest outcome. But if you use the martial arts techniques that you were shown, and do your BEST, they will know your potential and that your ready for the next step. However, if you don't do your best, an
i really like judo but this looks so fake......... u can c that at 2:31 that throw is just so fake...... those r real throws but dont tell me thats a randori.
@124aac at 2.31 the guy just wanted to push that's when mifune anticipated and pulled him down by using the knee wheel, a painfull throw if you do it not right.
@124aac I agree. How many students are really going to try to throw the top master of a martial art. that would be too disrespectful and get you thrown out of the organization in Japan. No loyal student is gonna do that and no disloyal students would be invited to such a filming.
@bunkafashioncollege I Think it would be more of an insult & disrespect to the skill of Master Mifune if the students did NOT try to throw him as this realism is the goal in Judo when practicing Randori. Of course, i wasn't there but it seems to me that they are really trying to toss him but he is skillfully countering....My experience...17 years in Kodokan Judo.
This is really impressive. To an outsider I can understand how it looks fake, or at least that the judoka 'attempting' to throw him aren't actually trying. I guarantee they are though, he is just slipping it. One of the greatest judoka to have ever lived right there, it must have been like trying to throw a ghost.
@AvatarRoku Considering he was a 10th Dan, original student of Judo, and considered the best technically, I would say he did it more on purpose, to see how the student would react. Who knows? But even his mistakes, were better than most people's "on purpose" EVER was! LOL :-) If only to have had the chance to have met him, let alone trained under his guidance! WOW!
@GJJFan true. whether it was on purpose or not, his contributions to judo are more valuable than most would ever hope to accomplish. i just thought it was rather funny seeing a possible mistake... and i too share your dream. wish i trained under him.... even if it was just one waza.
@AvatarRoku Not a mistake! It is common in japan to strike the feet as your moving to invoke a reaction from your opponent so you can off balance him.
@jedoza I cannot agree more. Gracie could not win a fight with a 4 Dan (probably because of the different of the strength). He would not be able to win against a 10 Dan like Mifune, definitely because of the difference of the technique.
For those who don't quite understand what's happening: At the beginning of each throw attempt, Mifune Judan is misaligning himself just enough that the judoka that are trying to throw him can't get proper leverage. It's not that they aren't trying, they legitimately can't throw him because he's either too far away or at the wrong angle.The clearest example of this at 0:33. In boxing terms, he's slipping, not blocking (i.e. resisting the throw like most modern fighters).
@CuriousPredicament Yep, i agree, had a similar lesson taught to me where swingin yourself onto the side of the hips will prevent the thrower from getting leverage. It's basically what he's doing here...a quick shift from the back to the side of the hip, and the throw is out of whack.
@CuriousPredicament Actually 0:33 is a clear example of exactly the opposite of what youre saying. His students are not going full speed at all and are deliberately throwing slowly, giving him enough time to "counter". Also look at all those hiza gurumas and sasae tsurikomi ashis near the end that sent them flying effortlessly. This is not legendary technique; it's student cooperation.
@theguyi26 I think you've misunderstood something. This is a demonstration, not a competition. There's no benefit to resisting and risking a sloppy and potentially dangerous fall. I will concede that their ashi waza isn't very aggressive, but at a point it becomes a kick (against old bones). Concerning speed, this is about normal for judo. Speed isn't exactly paramount. If you want a modern example look at Yasuhiro Yamashita. He wasn't fast, but he was still very successful.
@theguyi26 Also, my original comment was to emphasize the difference in technique, nothing more. The fact remains that, regardless of speed or effort on the uke's part, his technique is fundamentally different from most judoka and more in line with the philosophy of judo. I'm not sure where you got this "legendary technique" idea from.
@nivihume ...There's more here than meets the eye. Kyuzo Mifune is "Great Master's" name & if you watch the whole Video he gets out there (at age 70 years old) and Spars with a whole class of high ranking Judoka some who were champs in their own right and tosses them all on there ass: All this without even breaking a sweat. Most people couldn't even last with one Judoka, Imprssive to me! He is probably the most famous Judoka that ever lived Besides Kano. Definetly a Legend.
@nivihume That's how you know he's a "great master". The best make it look like nothing; a 6-dan I had the great honor of learning under (Hironori Inoue) made his movements look effortless, almost accidental. Meanwhile, I being the most junior of the class with a mere 2 days of training under my belt (this was my first class with a metal sword, even) had incredible difficulty getting anywhere near that level, even at a highly reduced speed with concentration.
Awesome! I recently had the pleasure of training with a high ranking aikidoka at least in his 70's. I'm in my early 30's, yet he could throw and pin me with ease. I did think it was perhaps because of how I attacked him, but with every way I tried, he pinned me with ease... Real Budo is like in the above video. nowadays it is "wresting with jackets" or punching each other until one guy (gay?) passes out :)
C'est fluide et agréable mais il me semble évident que Uke se laisse un peu trop facilement chuter... Ca n'enlève rien à la qualité de la prestation dans l'esprit randori le plus noble
Ca c'est pas vrai. D'habitude, c'est comme ca, oui. Mais ca est avec des ukes/etudiants japonaises, qui sont plus discipline et respecteux de leurs maitres. Mais ils ont des americains ici.... ils sont arrogant, bien sur, ils s'ent foux de respecter leurs instructeurs. Et puis, c'est claire qu'il exerce beaucoup d'effort de le lancer, mais ils ne peuvent pas.
The throw is without a doubt sumi otoshi. It is however a modified version since he does in fact put his knee on the ground while performing the throw. Traditionally, the right knee does not touch the ground.
The difference between uki otoshi and sumi otoshi is not whether the knee is on the ground or not, but the direction of the throw. Sumi otoshi is thrown to uke's right rear corner while uki otoshi is thrown to uke's right front corner.
Sorry, I believe you are wrong - it is uke-otoshi in my opinion.
The main difference is, that in sumi-otoshi tori would stand and not knee down. On the other side - tori moves forward, which is more like sumi-otoshi....
So I may be wrong....
I am verry surprised that no one knew this throw, i had to learn it (uke-otoshi) for my blue belt a long time ago ...
The technique relies on the sway of the body downwards and rotation of the arms. That's just the jist of it. Getting the Kuzushi (imbalance) to initiate the technique is a whole 'nother story.
whereas in the 19th century and earlier in human history, because life was simpler, it was easier for those men and women to focus, and as a result their skill was much greater.
I'm not sure what you mean by "its not wrestling with jackets." Wrestling is a martial art and it takes an enormous amount of skill, there are wrestlers who are skilled like Mifune. I never make it a habit to look down on any other martial art. I believe there are many things Judoka can learn from other grappling arts. Master Kano rebelled against jujutsu tradition, he wouldn't disapprove of modern Judo. Maybe the removal of leg locks in practice just because they're not in competition.
he's talkin about these new judo guys who dont have any respect for the art of judo, and who have strayed away from the path jigoro kano and true judo, thats in terms of spirit but technically there are some who are really good.
actually, Mifune was a hardcore traditionalist; you can read the introductory excerpt of his book "The Cannon of Judo." When I actually picked up a copy way back when, he often told his students he looked at at Jigoro Kano, in the same way his students looked at him, and he also admitted that he never in fact ever reached Kano's skill. Myself personally I blame the deterioration of martial arts on the modern world; "garbage data" is much tougher to clean out these days from the brain.
I can't really talk on Mifune, but its ironic that so many people should preach tradition and adherence/non-alteration in Judo, when Master Kano himself altered the long-standing art of Ju-Jutsu. I agree we should still practice the original forms, but every move should have variations and alternate applications. There are many brilliant minds in Judo and other martial arts that shouldn't be constrained, in my opinion.
Thing is there is a difference between doing what is needed, and changing a martial art over egotistical needs, or laziness, a lot of people modify martial arts because of unwillingness to put in the work. Do people, for instance, hate Kata because they truly don't work or they can't stand a few fast heart beats every once in a while?
Same instance in Tae Kwon Do, which I also do. ATA is a McDojo style, but because of that, more parents sign their kids up, so some schools in our family cut out the more difficult forms and requirements in the non-black belts to compete. That was especially sad, because they almost had to compromise to survive.
Thank you for posting this. This is the best I've ever seen. I practice Kung Fu, and I've high respect to Judo, I mean the real Judo skills like this grandmaster demonstrated. Look at his back--it's straight as a block and natural agile footwork. It's lot like the sports judo guy leaning forwards and try to use a lot of strength. Quite similar to the Tai Chi principle. I bet you he seems to be a lot heavier to move. I enjoy this a lot, thanks again.
I think that the first guy who tries to throw Mifune is Dutch tough guy Anton Geesic, his student, who was the first non Japanese to win the World Judo Championship.
seeing a judoka actually receive a technique and ukemi properly fells wrong...
JmJones2 1 month ago
dudes huge...
kevindrake714 7 months ago
This video helped me with my yoko wakare.
That is one basass guy
Calvinizur 7 months ago
great judo,and great acting wwf style
bummercal 10 months ago
@youngstunna79: You should. Fight hard against them but use the techniques that you were taught. Masters and Senseis feel it's more disrespectful when a student is trying to start a street fight against them, then they will bring it back to you at their hardest and that usually won't be the greatest outcome. But if you use the martial arts techniques that you were shown, and do your BEST, they will know your potential and that your ready for the next step. However, if you don't do your best, an
masterraymondtorres 10 months ago
The thing is also, they have too much respect for the grandmaster. I also don't even try my hardest against my masters.
youngstunna79 11 months ago
i really like judo but this looks so fake......... u can c that at 2:31 that throw is just so fake...... those r real throws but dont tell me thats a randori.
124aac 11 months ago
@124aac He had perfect timing, which ment almost no strenght needed, also he was really good at escaping techniques
GaudiGrey 9 months ago
@124aac Hiza Garuma, the Knee Wheel, is a dangerous throw; hard to do. If it gets messed up, or you try to fight it, you break a leg.
CandorandAmity 9 months ago
@124aac at 2.31 the guy just wanted to push that's when mifune anticipated and pulled him down by using the knee wheel, a painfull throw if you do it not right.
Mizernyi 8 months ago
@124aac Its either you fall or you can say goodbye to your knee
GaudiGrey 8 months ago
@124aac I agree. How many students are really going to try to throw the top master of a martial art. that would be too disrespectful and get you thrown out of the organization in Japan. No loyal student is gonna do that and no disloyal students would be invited to such a filming.
bunkafashioncollege 8 months ago
@bunkafashioncollege I Think it would be more of an insult & disrespect to the skill of Master Mifune if the students did NOT try to throw him as this realism is the goal in Judo when practicing Randori. Of course, i wasn't there but it seems to me that they are really trying to toss him but he is skillfully countering....My experience...17 years in Kodokan Judo.
jujutsu987 3 months ago
It's all about timing. And Mifune was one of the best at it.
AlikZeus 1 year ago
This is really impressive. To an outsider I can understand how it looks fake, or at least that the judoka 'attempting' to throw him aren't actually trying. I guarantee they are though, he is just slipping it. One of the greatest judoka to have ever lived right there, it must have been like trying to throw a ghost.
sandmandj 1 year ago
1:12 that looks like he has sunglasses :D
1:24 even if he had them, they're gone :DDD
cyrax622 1 year ago
In the tags, there is a word. Geezic? WTF IZZAT?
WyldOrbit 1 year ago
Wow and lol.
WyldOrbit 1 year ago
youtube.com/watch?v=7Z65k-shSK0
Fitty2blox 1 year ago
amazing how mifune puts his opponents off balance when they try to execute their throws.
banpreso 1 year ago
amazing old guy, is not anymore some one like him.
elperugrande1954 1 year ago
did anyone notice the little mistake in timing Mifune Sensei made in 0:48? or am I mistaken.
AvatarRoku 1 year ago
@AvatarRoku Considering he was a 10th Dan, original student of Judo, and considered the best technically, I would say he did it more on purpose, to see how the student would react. Who knows? But even his mistakes, were better than most people's "on purpose" EVER was! LOL :-) If only to have had the chance to have met him, let alone trained under his guidance! WOW!
GJJFan 1 year ago
@GJJFan true. whether it was on purpose or not, his contributions to judo are more valuable than most would ever hope to accomplish. i just thought it was rather funny seeing a possible mistake... and i too share your dream. wish i trained under him.... even if it was just one waza.
AvatarRoku 1 year ago
@AvatarRoku Not a mistake! It is common in japan to strike the feet as your moving to invoke a reaction from your opponent so you can off balance him.
jasizemore 1 year ago
One of the few times I've seen a realistic use of the uki otoshi technique. GREAT!!!
danizappa 1 year ago
mifune will probably fuck helio gracie if they did fight
jedoza 1 year ago
@jedoza I cannot agree more. Gracie could not win a fight with a 4 Dan (probably because of the different of the strength). He would not be able to win against a 10 Dan like Mifune, definitely because of the difference of the technique.
YmmitNaahais 1 year ago
what techniques do you call those??? when he counters or more of stopping the opponent's throw? nice vid man ...k tnx!
DikkiSeamen 1 year ago
This is probably one of the finest displays of real Judo that I have ever seen.
Iaazathoth 1 year ago 19
Really nice to see.
matreyia 1 year ago
For those who don't quite understand what's happening: At the beginning of each throw attempt, Mifune Judan is misaligning himself just enough that the judoka that are trying to throw him can't get proper leverage. It's not that they aren't trying, they legitimately can't throw him because he's either too far away or at the wrong angle.The clearest example of this at 0:33. In boxing terms, he's slipping, not blocking (i.e. resisting the throw like most modern fighters).
CuriousPredicament 1 year ago 24
@CuriousPredicament Yep, i agree, had a similar lesson taught to me where swingin yourself onto the side of the hips will prevent the thrower from getting leverage. It's basically what he's doing here...a quick shift from the back to the side of the hip, and the throw is out of whack.
demboys18 10 months ago
@CuriousPredicament he's pivoting
fallingleaveskungfu 5 months ago
@CuriousPredicament Actually 0:33 is a clear example of exactly the opposite of what youre saying. His students are not going full speed at all and are deliberately throwing slowly, giving him enough time to "counter". Also look at all those hiza gurumas and sasae tsurikomi ashis near the end that sent them flying effortlessly. This is not legendary technique; it's student cooperation.
theguyi26 1 month ago
@theguyi26 I think you've misunderstood something. This is a demonstration, not a competition. There's no benefit to resisting and risking a sloppy and potentially dangerous fall. I will concede that their ashi waza isn't very aggressive, but at a point it becomes a kick (against old bones). Concerning speed, this is about normal for judo. Speed isn't exactly paramount. If you want a modern example look at Yasuhiro Yamashita. He wasn't fast, but he was still very successful.
CuriousPredicament 1 month ago
@theguyi26 Also, my original comment was to emphasize the difference in technique, nothing more. The fact remains that, regardless of speed or effort on the uke's part, his technique is fundamentally different from most judoka and more in line with the philosophy of judo. I'm not sure where you got this "legendary technique" idea from.
CuriousPredicament 1 month ago
he is just the best !!!
lazaga 1 year ago
there is nothing impressive about this"great master"
nivihume 1 year ago
@nivihume ...There's more here than meets the eye. Kyuzo Mifune is "Great Master's" name & if you watch the whole Video he gets out there (at age 70 years old) and Spars with a whole class of high ranking Judoka some who were champs in their own right and tosses them all on there ass: All this without even breaking a sweat. Most people couldn't even last with one Judoka, Imprssive to me! He is probably the most famous Judoka that ever lived Besides Kano. Definetly a Legend.
jukido987 1 year ago
@nivihume That's how you know he's a "great master". The best make it look like nothing; a 6-dan I had the great honor of learning under (Hironori Inoue) made his movements look effortless, almost accidental. Meanwhile, I being the most junior of the class with a mere 2 days of training under my belt (this was my first class with a metal sword, even) had incredible difficulty getting anywhere near that level, even at a highly reduced speed with concentration.
Saavykaas 1 year ago
@Saavykaas I should note I was learning Iaido here to avoid confusion. My analogy stands.
Saavykaas 1 year ago
@nivihume And as an aside, there is nothing impressive about your YouTube comments, either.
Saavykaas 1 year ago
to be thrown by him would be a privilege
garciag03 1 year ago
The way he moves is just amazing...
profik5000 1 year ago
Anyonen knows the name of the throw that Master Mifune performs with such amazing grace at 1;54 ???
carlos0259774 2 years ago
@carlos0259774
Yoko Wakare
DominoMask 2 years ago
@carlos0259774
that would be uki waza, it's a sacrifice throw...hard throw to master if you ask me
futang17 1 year ago
Awesome! I recently had the pleasure of training with a high ranking aikidoka at least in his 70's. I'm in my early 30's, yet he could throw and pin me with ease. I did think it was perhaps because of how I attacked him, but with every way I tried, he pinned me with ease... Real Budo is like in the above video. nowadays it is "wresting with jackets" or punching each other until one guy (gay?) passes out :)
beardydave 2 years ago
Where's the waltzing music???!!!
taclas1 2 years ago
I love 1:21 :P
SmartGuyMan 2 years ago
incredible master... most stories about a master's incredible feats and abilities, even in old age, are fake. But this guy is incredible for real!
yieldingbamboo 2 years ago
Bonjour,
C'est fluide et agréable mais il me semble évident que Uke se laisse un peu trop facilement chuter... Ca n'enlève rien à la qualité de la prestation dans l'esprit randori le plus noble
pgfamille 2 years ago
Ca c'est pas vrai. D'habitude, c'est comme ca, oui. Mais ca est avec des ukes/etudiants japonaises, qui sont plus discipline et respecteux de leurs maitres. Mais ils ont des americains ici.... ils sont arrogant, bien sur, ils s'ent foux de respecter leurs instructeurs. Et puis, c'est claire qu'il exerce beaucoup d'effort de le lancer, mais ils ne peuvent pas.
TheLeopardTail 2 years ago
maestro
sexyluis1 2 years ago
respect the elders!!
dont think he should be manhandeling him like that :p
nodws 2 years ago
Kyuzo Mifune = judo genius
sizzla123 2 years ago
The throw is without a doubt sumi otoshi. It is however a modified version since he does in fact put his knee on the ground while performing the throw. Traditionally, the right knee does not touch the ground.
The difference between uki otoshi and sumi otoshi is not whether the knee is on the ground or not, but the direction of the throw. Sumi otoshi is thrown to uke's right rear corner while uki otoshi is thrown to uke's right front corner.
mattcoleman1 2 years ago
the guy is so dainty and yet so rooted. he's got intelligent and intuitive skill.
bovinicide 3 years ago
The throw done at 1:06 is called Sumi-Otoshi. It is in my opinion one of the hardest throws in all of judo. It relies on perfect timing and feel.
Try and google the throw to find some demonstration videos, or pick up a copy of Kodokan judo.
mattcoleman1 3 years ago
'Sumi-Otoshi'.. Hmm Thanks.. I google it.. You were the only guy who came out with a 'name'. It really helps.. Thanks again.
jcyprianus 3 years ago
Sorry, I believe you are wrong - it is uke-otoshi in my opinion.
The main difference is, that in sumi-otoshi tori would stand and not knee down. On the other side - tori moves forward, which is more like sumi-otoshi....
So I may be wrong....
I am verry surprised that no one knew this throw, i had to learn it (uke-otoshi) for my blue belt a long time ago ...
VVilliV 2 years ago
Can someone show or come out with a video on how he did the technique @1.06
jcyprianus 3 years ago
trust me as someone whose been doing judo for a while I can tell you you won't learn how to do that from a youtube video
steelfalcon1120 3 years ago
haha word.
kaze8 2 years ago
The technique relies on the sway of the body downwards and rotation of the arms. That's just the jist of it. Getting the Kuzushi (imbalance) to initiate the technique is a whole 'nother story.
thachcv 3 years ago
very nice
teddywinroth 3 years ago
whereas in the 19th century and earlier in human history, because life was simpler, it was easier for those men and women to focus, and as a result their skill was much greater.
stardingo747 3 years ago
I'm not sure what you mean by "its not wrestling with jackets." Wrestling is a martial art and it takes an enormous amount of skill, there are wrestlers who are skilled like Mifune. I never make it a habit to look down on any other martial art. I believe there are many things Judoka can learn from other grappling arts. Master Kano rebelled against jujutsu tradition, he wouldn't disapprove of modern Judo. Maybe the removal of leg locks in practice just because they're not in competition.
TheTerrorUforgot 3 years ago
he's talkin about these new judo guys who dont have any respect for the art of judo, and who have strayed away from the path jigoro kano and true judo, thats in terms of spirit but technically there are some who are really good.
anas1025 3 years ago
actually, Mifune was a hardcore traditionalist; you can read the introductory excerpt of his book "The Cannon of Judo." When I actually picked up a copy way back when, he often told his students he looked at at Jigoro Kano, in the same way his students looked at him, and he also admitted that he never in fact ever reached Kano's skill. Myself personally I blame the deterioration of martial arts on the modern world; "garbage data" is much tougher to clean out these days from the brain.
stardingo747 3 years ago
I can't really talk on Mifune, but its ironic that so many people should preach tradition and adherence/non-alteration in Judo, when Master Kano himself altered the long-standing art of Ju-Jutsu. I agree we should still practice the original forms, but every move should have variations and alternate applications. There are many brilliant minds in Judo and other martial arts that shouldn't be constrained, in my opinion.
TheTerrorUforgot 3 years ago
lol. you're right.
Thing is there is a difference between doing what is needed, and changing a martial art over egotistical needs, or laziness, a lot of people modify martial arts because of unwillingness to put in the work. Do people, for instance, hate Kata because they truly don't work or they can't stand a few fast heart beats every once in a while?
stardingo747 3 years ago
Same instance in Tae Kwon Do, which I also do. ATA is a McDojo style, but because of that, more parents sign their kids up, so some schools in our family cut out the more difficult forms and requirements in the non-black belts to compete. That was especially sad, because they almost had to compromise to survive.
TheTerrorUforgot 3 years ago
Thank you for posting this. This is the best I've ever seen. I practice Kung Fu, and I've high respect to Judo, I mean the real Judo skills like this grandmaster demonstrated. Look at his back--it's straight as a block and natural agile footwork. It's lot like the sports judo guy leaning forwards and try to use a lot of strength. Quite similar to the Tai Chi principle. I bet you he seems to be a lot heavier to move. I enjoy this a lot, thanks again.
martialartsforlife 3 years ago
its almost as if he was just playing with them. He made it look so easy.
stardingo747 3 years ago
I love your video!!!!!!!!!
judomichaell 3 years ago
This is SLOW MOTION. In reality the fights were much faster. He was unbelieavably fast, too. I have watched the original.
nordastelo 3 years ago
there not even trying. the dutch tough guy looks like he is stopping himself from throwing him
alfredtink 3 years ago
fantastico.
karatecba 3 years ago 2
I think that the first guy who tries to throw Mifune is Dutch tough guy Anton Geesic, his student, who was the first non Japanese to win the World Judo Championship.
OneRoomSchoolHouse 3 years ago 8
@OneRoomSchoolHouse Nah, Geesink is 6'6" tall and at that time weighted 320 pounds, you would know if this was him!
jukido987 1 year ago
@OneRoomSchoolHouse its true, his name is taged, olso
creadorization 1 year ago
impresionante
:)
gracias
sajite 3 years ago