I dont know why but I think I can relate to Jim and maybe if we meet he will to , maybe because I am deeply astounded by math from an early age and to grow up in an environment like mine "Lebanon" which doesn't appreciate the beauty of mathematics and it profound meaning and I mean teachers and student's whom are so deeply stuck into there monotone life and a whole array of stupidity is integrated into there very minds I wish if I could live in place where I don't get bothered by lesser mortals
@devakidd I watch any of his BBC documentaries whenever I have the time ,I don't care if I watched them before , but it was nice knowing that somebody else in the world was indulged by this masterpiece .
It is interesting that Eastern religions such as Buddhism have known that pairs of opposites are inseperably about the same thing. Good and evil are inseparable as both must exist for either to exist. Good and evil are value judgements that use each other to differentiate so to completely destroy evil you would have to stop thinking. To know light darkness must exist. You can not recognize chaos without knowing order.
This video was beautiful, and I know that some people will point to it and say it's god's signature in everything. God=Math. If that's the case, it's no wonder I'm agnostic, possibly atheist on a bad day, because I dont get math and never will. Hell bound for sure...I'm more of a language oriented person....:(
@TheEvilflea Sorry but the bible has never predicted anything. Has a disaster ever been averted? no. Has any discovery ever been made because of it, let alone any religion? no. The bible is the superstition of primitive human culture and nothing more. The thing is if all science and all religion were lost.. they would both be recreated but religion would be completely different the next time.. science would be rediscovered exactly how it is now because it's provable and not a made up story.
@TheEvilflea Sorry but the bible has never predicted anything. Has a disaster ever been averted? no. Has any discovery ever been made because of it (let alone any religion)? no. The bible is the superstition of primitive human culture and nothing more. The thing is if all science and all religion were lost.. they would both be recreated but religion would be completely different the next time.. science would be rediscovered exactly how it is now because it's provable and not a made up story.
This video is an elegant abstract of a very deep field. Obviously "god" is indeed a delusion. People will continue to use that concept (god) as either a crutch or a lever.
There is one thing 99.999% of people cannot handle at all: Reality.
Chaos is in man's head and not in the Universe. I do not believe in the scientific conclusions based on the feeling of reality. The fact is that science does not know the origin of life, or how the universe was created.
@IndulgingExistence it's not an argument, just a good old conclusion. When science realizes that her references were wrong, it will be the largest ever scientific scope.
@klopedokle A conclusion based on what evidence? So You're saying that you can tell what's wrong with this -->watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo and this -->watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
@IndulgingExistence Sorry, but I have no gods such is Dawkins and i'm not a creationists, try with real genius and scientists - like it was Nikola Tesla.
@klopedokle "Sorry, but I have no gods such is Dawkins" umm ok. You seem to be making less sense the more you speak.
What was the point of your statement "I do not believe in the scientific conclusions based on the feeling of reality. The fact is that science does not know the origin of life, or how the universe was created" do you have evidence that the videos I linked are incorrect, or do you just like spouting anti-science rhetoric.
@klopedokle That makes no sense. You are who your brain makes you. There's no separation between brain and mind. So what do you base your reality on? Because science is the best tool we have to go beyond the 'feeling of reality'. Science isn't based off some dude in a lab coat 'feeling' his/her reality. I'd like to see your research on how chaos exists only in the human mind and not in the universe around us. It sounds like you're a want-to-be philosopher...but you aren't very good at it.
@Henysheadonwall Of course there is a difference between the brain (body) and consciousness (energy). Science is a very broad term. What U mean by science is a materialistic paradigm. Materialist paradigm is limited and necessarily leads to the problem of explaining reality. At least the universe is matter present, and as such has the slightest significance.
@klopedokle Wow, you have absolutely no idea what you're taking about. You have no evidence to support your claims. Without a brain...you wouldn't have a mind. It's as simple as that. You're spouting out words you don't understand. You're good at spouting nonsense but that's about it. Go read and do some real research. You can't pull a hypotheses out of your ass and claim fact.
@Henysheadonwall Of course I know what I mean, what you do not know what I mean, it's your thing. In life, you will see a separate brain and consciousness, because man is not a machine but a holistic concept, I agree. The hypothesis is that STR is true, I know at least two scientists from Serbia who was brought down. But materialistic science has a monopoly of reallity, as the church had.
@klopedokle No, you will not see a separate brain and consciousness. The brain's insanely intricate neural networks make the mind. It's through the evolutionary process that created the human race that our minds were born. As for science having a monopoly on the understanding of reality, well yes, it somewhat does and it should! The scientific method has been fined tuned to battle anything claiming monopoly on a subject matter without evidence/expertise/logic; including old hypothesis/theories.
@Henysheadonwall The brain is not the same as consciousness, or thinking brain, but the brain is the place where the mind is thinking. To the "Western" science does not know these facts, it is another matter. Just as allopathic medicine does not know the real cause of chronic disease, or knows how to heal a chronic illness. And while "reality" is subordinate to theoretical physicist, long a person will be composed only of biochemical reactions., and the cosmos will be 13.7 billion years old.
@klopedokle Okay, you seriously sound high. I can't tell if you're a troll or not. Either way, I just can't take any of your arguments seriously. I'll stick to my "Western" science (what is "Western" science supposed to mean anyway?). I'm guessing you use pseudoscience.
@Henysheadonwall I don't use pseudoscience, probably Tesla is for you pseudo-scientist also. Tesla was never a theorist, and he was able to prove as experimental wave speed of 400 km / sec, not to mention other things that someone else has failed. It is known that Tesla lab never went out, how much and in that Einstein never entered it. "Western" science is a purely materialistic, belongs only to a minority for whom nothing but dead matter does not exist.
@4ThomasAllan And I think you just trying to do something with provocation :), ok. Albert Einstein in a letter to a friend Solovine 1949: "You imagine that with a calm I am pleased to see the masterpiece of my life, but viewed up close, looks completely different. In my area there is a single term, for which I am convinced that will remain stable in the future, and I feel completely insecure and wonder, am I at all on the right track ... ". But you really do not know anything about Tesla :D
@klopedokle Unless you can tie Einstein's letter to what you've been saying it's irrelevant. Furthermore, I think you're the one confused about Tesla, try reading direct information about him rather than the shit filtered through to you by new-age spiritualists. Also, anybody who has an idea and then rather than test its veracity, just cherry-picks information to support their position can only be described as lucky if their argument doesn't collapse(not a genius, not a scientist). Also, their-
-there* is a specious difference between refining something and testing it, ultimately both exercises are working to reduce the error bars on information.
@4ThomasAllan First, we have touched on various topics. As you know, Tesla practically never out of the labs, while also well known that Einstein did not enter it. First, the fact that 1900. Tesla was experimentally confirmed a speed of 470.000 km/sec is the fact of his documents from the Nikola Tesla Museum in Belgrade. The fact that 2000 was the Italians confirmed speed greater than c, and it is now confirmed by CERN is just the beginning.
@4ThomasAllan Also, the belief in scientific theory as the ultimate truth is a pseudo-science. Because what happens, even "verified" theory is misleading, and its evidence is based on the poetry of mathematics, and "evidence" is based on imaginary references. I know at least three scientists from Serbia who are mathematically knocked STR. You can call me how you want, with new age I have nothing to do, but time will not deny the fact that most theorists of physics behave as pseudo-scientists.
@klopedokle K, you really need to fix your grammar and I'm not saying that to insult you but some of your sentences make no sense and haven't even been tied in to your argument properly so as to be relevant. Furthermore do you really understand the scientific method and the differences between science and pseudo-science or more fundamentally, the difference between being intelligent and being well informed? How is a neutrino going 60 nano-seconds faster than (c), proof of spirit or any of that-
@4ThomasAllan That also can many other people, and it's just your personal belief that there is no such things as this, nor know that it is a natural things. Man is much more perfect instrument than artificial. If someone can not understand something, accept, see or touch, does not mean that it does not exist. People often experience a phenomenon but they can not explain them, and on the basis that there are different explanations and general rejection.But ok, for U there is no shit like that :)
@klopedokle First off, not being able to see or touch something doesn't mean it is beyond scientific observation. Secondly, being able to understand something only reflects on your own acumen. Spirituality is by virtue of being unproven, only an opinion in and of itself, qoud gratis assiritur; gratis negatur, i.e., what you assert freely(without evidence), I can deny freely. The onis is on you to prove its existence if you're making the claim that it does indeed exist so far from being an-
-opinion, it's a logical default, the alternative would be unrestrained or arbitrary credulity, if I walked past you and told you I was Lug demanded a human sacrifice from you and Arthur Wellesly was actually a bowl of custard would you believe me off the bat? Some experiences can be inexplicable for people but that also doesn't mean it is merely their inability to articulate it or that their subjective interpretation of it may not hold true objectively.
@4ThomasAllan First off, that's just your opinion and the opinion one part of science - that spirituality is unprovable. There is evidence - that talking about from the start, and not just philosophical. Second, I have no just opinion or belief only, but the natural experience, possibility of seeing the energies, process in the aura and beyond, using energies for healing and not only for that, and I proved to dozens of friends, acquaintances and people who I do not know.
@klopedokle lol, why don't you try to get that published in a peer reviewed science journal? FYI, there are no contradicting "opinions" in science - that right there is proof that you have no idea about what you're talking about. The laws of science are always given with conditions upon which they're predicated, contradicting them proves only that you changed the conditions so that the law was no longer applicable or that you proved that the law was poorly defined in the first place.
@4ThomasAllan So much for science "pluralism":) or a monopoly. I do not need proof, I have it, you need proof, but you prefer to believe that some things do not exist just because some communities where the poet-scientist says so. I have no problem with that. Try to understand that there is nothing of it - because they do not explore non-physical phenomena - and not even know whether something exists or not. Even in 1900, Tesla demonstrated a speed of 470.000 km / sec. Einstein was a poet. :)
@klopedokle WTF? What you said is ridiculous. The plurality in science lies in what is being studied not in the methodology being employed otherwise why would anybody call it science(the method is what defines science as science)? Martial arts are varied but that doesn't mean reading a book can also be considered a martial art. Anybody can call anything proof of anything but it doesn't make it so, if you want those claims to be taken seriously as science then publish it in a peer reviewed-
-science journal. I prefer not to be a credulous moron that believes every dubious story I come across which is why I have certain standards - this is not unlike anybody else in essence, even you would probably be unwilling to believe that I am the son of a sandwhich and the god of death. Terms like "Poet-scientist" mean nothing to me btw, I gather that you're just trying to detract from the credibility of scientists by attaching a title to their profession typically associated with the arts-
but that reflects more on your opinion than on their credentials. Also, the "monopoly" on science by scientists is as justified as the monopoly on electrical repairs by electricians is, or surgery by surgeons or are you perhaps telling me that you would be willing to let me drug you and cut you up with a scalpel if I told you that I know what I'm doing? Tesla's demonstrations and Einstein's hobbies are about as relevant as my eye-colour.
@4ThomasAllan 1. The method is - one who is a very misunderstood what method is - reading the Aristotle :))). So wrong. For something to be prvable teory must his hypothesis be a logical, mathematically and physically. Unlike Einstein STR. So it's science-poetry, pride and joy "developed" science, which is spilling over too much money that somehow failed to prove. A wrong is at the very beginning .. What you think you understand it, that's your problem.
@klopedokle This is where your broken English is causing problems; that post is an unintelligible grammatical disaster. I'm going to take a wild guess at what you were trying to communicate anyway. First off, Aristotle was brilliant however he was subject to the technological and information deficits of his time further and most of his work is obsolete, further, he can't be considered a scientist as per the modern semantics of the word because his methodology was not purely empirical. Calling-
-Einstein's special theory of relativity(I assume that's what your acronym stood for) science-poetry is a non-sequitur as is the claim that pride and joy developed science in the absence of an explicit argument to link the two, furthermore, what exactly did science "fail" to prove despite its expenditure? I think you've misunderstood a lot more than mere English grammar...
just get the word order typology right and don't be too trigger happy with punctuation or it will all seem disconnected. Capitalization and that kind of thing doesn't really obscure your posts too much.
@4ThomasAllan Ok, danke .. In departments where the study of nuclear physics,
or disintegration of atomic nuclei, applies the conversion of matter into energy without the rest of the fission and all accounts agree. The departments of Astrophysics, however, mass calculated by measuring strength of gravity, which is again calculated by the Doppler shift, so that on the paper are missing more than ninety percent of matter in the Cosmos. -
@4ThomasAllan -- Rather than change the theory, this school is called "mass defect". That is, it's a mass fault why is missing, because head of department and professors "think good and teach the truth."
STR has never been proven, nor understood, nor can be - because it is nonsense. And we, we can like this forever, my friend - time is relative and depends on the observer, on the other hand it is argued that the time quantum leap is not measurable (teaching of modern physics - illogical views)
@4ThomasAllan "Tesla's light bulbs for molecular bombing was the ancestor of another very modern invention - the cyclotron for breaking atoms. Cyclotron, which is in the last 20 years has created E.L.Lorens ... Small glass ball, six inches or less in diameter, which represented Tesla's light bulb to molecular bombardment, had the same devastating effect of the solid matter, and probably much stronger than any current cyclotron (reactor) for splitting the atom, despite all its enormous size. "
@BigEnos001 Try it yourself to begin to explain STR. And when you see a negative length and height, five-dimensional hyper-sphere - then prove it physically, and than you may keep that in to ur garage. Mathematics is a nice story, but a physical reality is something else. In the spring, will find out why CERN give up his experiments, and not just because of funds. The job of scientists who are trying for 106 years to prove STR and fail is to change theory, it's not ashame to admited mistake.
I have made no claim about this "STR" (I can guess what you're referring to, but why not spell it out) and so have no need to to explain anything regarding whatever it is you a referring to. I made a claim about a dog and a claim about a dragon.
(cannot prove it, but also is a popular "theory" and of course, Einstein is not to be doubted)
I know that these examples relate to me, but I'm not saying anything new. If anyone wants proof for existance a subtle enegries, let them look for instead of listening to this or that, me or some skeptics. I have proof, and I do not care to prove to the some skeptics or materialist, ateists. Here we have an Einstein and his poetry.
Whatever my dragon may be an analogy for, it is not an analogy for Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. I have made no mention of Einstein, do not hold Einstein, or his theories up as sacred cows and if any theory of his is disproved tomorrow, that's fine. His 'cosmological constant' model was wrong because he was fallible. You may be rather peoccupied with him for personal reasons, but I'm not, so there's no need to assume so.
Describe how you think nuclear reactions in reactors, weapons and stars produce so much energy from proportionately modest amounts of matter?
Why should two initially synchronised atomic clocks become unsynchronised after one has been flown around the world whilst the other remains on the ground?
I assume that you can adequately explain these phenomena without having to refer to the work of any emminent phycists?
@BigEnos001 That is link for the - Mathematical Methods to Refute Einstein's Electrodynamics - prof. dr Velimir Abramovic, just download the material.
"What? Where? How?" be creative, come visit the Serbia :).
That's General Relativity. You were talking about Special Relativity, but nevermind, in time Einstein's theories may be disproved, but as I already said, so what?.
"When you reach the speed of light with rockets..."
How? What type of "rocket"? Propulsion method?
"be creative"
I am creative and imaginative, I'm a designer. And Tolkien was a highly creative writer that created a whole mythology. Which he didn't claim was real.
@BigEnos001 More with the thought that come to visit me, and I would showed you the way to understand that you can feel certain things you did not pay much attention. Subtle energies is everywhere, as there is no vacuum of interplanetary space. But certain places on Earth have a special quality of energy fields. Many places are known, such as Westminster Abbey, Hagia Sophia, Jaipur, Sarnat, Giza, Palenque, Chichen Itza, Campeche, and many others. I doubt that you are interested to.
If you were of the beautiful female persuasion then I might be of the persuasion to visit you. But anyway, seriously, "Subtle energies is everywhere, as there is no vacuum of interplanetary space." sounds like you are actually alluding to quantum vacume energy, whether you realise it or would admit it or not. You're free to call it spirtitual whatever you like, I wouldn't crucify you or burn you alive for that. We all "feel" many things because we are complex emotional beings.
I'm sure the dragon (and the celestial teapot) probably seem very trite to 'believers', compared to the all encompassing spiritual and religious beliefs that they are happy to routinely insist represent reality. But the real point is that to somebody that isn't in thrall to the emotional need for spiritual beliefs, those spiritual claims are no more justifiable than claiming that there's an invisible incorporeal dragon in the garage and expecting that claim to be simply accepted.
@BigEnos001 Now I can tell you that you call it as you know that something exists. I am not talking about the energy that is known to science (materialistic scientists). I can work with these energies. Not because I am special, but because i'm doing that for more than15 years. I know many other people dealing with it.
I mean the link didn't work with the spaces removed, but don't worry about it, I googled the article and author instead. I've said it before, but if Einstein is proven wrong on any currently accepted theory, then so be it.. He was dead wrong in his reaction to Niels bohr and his contemporaries regarding Quantum Theory and remained resolutely so until he died. He is not a holy cow and neither is any other scientist or any particular theory so you don't need to convince me of that.
I agre about believing in something as religious believes. I don't have just believes, but a long prax with certain things which I approach with great suspicion.
Well yes essentially. He's extremely gifted at performing audacious acts of mental trickery. The things he can get an audience to do and to accept are quite incredible...and then he will explain exactly how he does it. He has also investigated the extraodinary claims made within certain 'professions' (psychics, cold readers etc) and shown not only how he can recreate their results, but often more effectively. It adds quite a bit of perspective but maybe it's not to your taste.
You set the question, I answered. Better see the link I put there (if you want, of course). If you do not care all that, just say so. If you understand me less literal and more ironic about certain things, then u will understand me more. But I still think that you really don't care what I want to say, but to show me that what I saying is nonsense. But ok, it's your right :)
The link doesn't work (with the spaces removed). I understand that my (or actually Carl Sagan's) dragon exercise is a little different to the extraordinary claims it analogises, because by it's very nature as an analogy, it is unlikely to be a claim that is made honestly. But it is still a good analogy because in it's full unfalsifiable extent it is techically very similar to the scientifically unfalsifiable claims it is designed to analogise. At least to critcal thinkers anyway.
What is "subtle energy" and why would visiting Serbia aid me in detecting it? Is there a 'Rift' in Serbia, like there is in Cardiff or a 'hellmouth'' in Serbia like there is in Sunnydale, California? (Which are both fictional parts of the fictional universes of Torchwood and Buffy The Vampire Slayer of course which most would agree don't exist in the non-fictional universe that you and I inhabit). Is there a genetic trait in Serbians to sense "energy" that mundane Englishmen can't?
@BigEnos001 When it comes to lies and nonsense, then of course I do not believe you. If you think I am lying when I say that I have certain abilities (that probably most people on the planet have but it does not deal with). Then call me a liar. I am telling you my experience. If you do not agree with that considering, it is your opinion. You are entitled to it.
How do you know that my dragon is "lies and nonsense"? What critical criteria are you utilising there to decide that it is likely that my claim is false?
Just to be clear, I haven't suggested that you are a liar. If I were to doubt your preferred interpretation of a personal "experience", I am not necessarily doubting that you have had some kind of "experience". The issue of whether it is the only or best interpretation is a separate issue. If you claim to believe what you say, then I believe that you do indeed believe what you say. If I suspect that your interpretation is 'biased' I accept that it may be unintentionally so.
I own a dog. That could be a false claim, but presumably you have had some personal experience that confirms to your satisfaction the existence of dogs and would thus accept that my claim is entirely plausible?
How about if I then go on to claim that I own a dragon (which I keep in my garage)? Are you prepared to take my word for that also? Why not?
All claims are not created equal and that is why your more extraordinary claims require more than just your word to become credible.
Why should two initially synchronised atomic clocks become unsynchronised after one has been flown around the world whilst the other remains on the ground?
Due to the curvature of space is certainly not. When you reach the speed of light with rockets and when they measured the experiment, then u will know for shure that "time is independent of body movement".
Until try this
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Your lengthy exchange with klopedokle was quite an entertaining read. He should give Matt Dillahunty or Jeff Dee a call on 'The Atheist Experience'. If you're unfamiliar, it's a public access call in show from Austin, Texas. There's a lot videos on youtube and it's well worth a look. Maybe we shouldn't mock the critically compromised, hopelessly confirmation biased, disingenuously 'shoulder-chip' afflicted, but watching hapless fish leaping into a barrel has rarely been more fun.
@BigEnos001 sup, yea, i just picked up the torch from another user; "Henysheadonwall", and I'll pass it on to you now. Personally, I'm not sure whether he either has really bad English or is a mendacious troll hiding behind incoherent answers indirectly justified as "broken English"(his grammatical errors are inconsistent). Some people who buy into all that new age spiritualism are actually just gullible and it's popular in eastern Europe atm, but some are just dishonest con-artists-
-opportunistically spreading misinformation like graduates of the O'Reilly-Beck school of talking shit. Yea, I've seen some of The Atheist Experience videos, the ridiculous calls they get are entertaining even if a tragic reflection on the caller lol. Actually, spirituality and all that crap is quite popular all over atm and that's just really sad. If humanity ever escape these oppressive shadows of our antecedents' misinformed cultures then I envy our descendants.
@4ThomasAllan The division between the normal and the paranormal is wrong, because everything is actually normal. The only difference is in the subtlety and sensibility of the nervous system. He is more subtle, stimulus threshold is higher. The development is based on meditation and meditation is a long exercise in the brain to function at lower frequencies consciously. So, while you sleep at a frequency of 7 Hz my consciousness at 6 Hz brainwave is awake. And that's a big difference.
@4ThomasAllan My English is broken English, I apologize for that again. That claim about the existence of spirit, or subtle energy is something other than what I was talking about Einstein and the theory. The existence of subtle energy has its own evidence. One of the many facts in addition to the evidence that I personally can see the energy, I work with them, use them, I can experience them and not just the electromagnetic energy of the Earth or human biofield, but even more suptile "shit".
@klopedokle Yes well, I don't have a problem with broken English but just don't go nuts when people understandably misinterpret what you're saying. Also, as far as "seeing energy" it sounds like you're passing from the realm of science to spirituality(which is fine if you believe all that I guess - it's your own business), but don't then conflate science with spirituality, that's just pseudo-science(if you're no longer using an empirical methodology then stop calling it science).
@klopedokle k, I think you're getting a little out of your depth here. Barely any of that makes sense in English. Either you're foreign and need more lessons or you really need to lay off the peace pipe. Also, Science is Science, not "western science". Traditionalists just use that term to try and gain favour with nationalists and de-colonizationists but it means nothing, science by it's methodology, is the same for and available to everybody and anybody despite geo-cultural affiliations.
@4ThomasAllan No, in science need pluralism. Science has never, not even now there is no consensus on the issue of all things. And there has never been greater consensus about stupid theory and some special things (big bang, STR) - and this is a "Western science". When conversations go into ad hominem, it is clear with whom I work. I apologize for my English.
@klopedokle Don't hide behind the "victim card". The is a difference between an ad hominem and a recognition of mendacious nonsense. An ad hominem for instance, isn't followed by an explanation as to why the argument in question is flawed. Also, there are plenty of consensuses on various issues throughout the scientific disciplines. I couldn't really make out what you were getting at about special things, big bang and that being western science and "stupid theory" whatever that is
@4ThomasAllan "Either you're foreign and need more lessons or you really need to lay off the peace pipe" and similar statements of yours, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but not on such statements. My point is, that there are studies that go beyond the paradigm of materialism, and of course, that is also scientific, and materialistic science does not want to even consider. The work and research of Nikola Tesla refuted many current claims.
@klopedokle "Either you're foreign and need more lessons or you really need to lay off the peace pipe" isn't an insult after the fact that it's quite clearly been made in reference to your intelligible posts. Also, why do you keep bringing up Nikola Tesla? A) his work while brilliant is vieux jeux, and B) his contributions were in the most materialistic fields of science and that leaves me wondering whether you even know what you're talking about or are you just using obscure Scientists' names?-
-Also, as per the definition of science, claims require the devising of testable experiments before they can upgrade from speculation to bona-fide theory. Testing happens in the material world whether it is with living subjects or inanimate substances, science is at its core, material.
@4ThomasAllan Unlike the usual scientific method (hypothesis - test), Tesla had the first evidence and then mathematically argued, always works, because all his ideas very real. The proof is received not thinking about it, but the knowledge of the spiritual sphere, and then brought up to scratch in the laboratory of the mind until it worked. At the end of the apprentices said that what is processed in the mind of making, and never has been an error.
@klopedokle uhm no, you're talking barely intelligible bullox again although it does seem like you're trying to associate new age pseudo-science and spirituality with Nikola Tesla.
@klopedokle Wow, you have absolutely no idea what you're taking about. You have no evidence to support your claims. Without a brain...you wouldn't have a mind. It's as simple as that. You're spouting out words you don't understand. You're good at spouting nonsense but that's about it. Go read and do some real research. You can't pull a hypotheses out of your ass and claim fact.
@klopedokle uhm, no, that's bullox. First of all, scientist have a pretty good idea about how life arose on earth(Abiogenesis). Secondly, calling Dawkins a god is something only creationists do. Furthermore, Consciousness is simply an emergent property of the brain's physical organization and saying there is a difference between the body and energy is like saying there is a difference between a cake and icing(specious as both matter and energy are physical phenomenon). Subjective reality is-
-ultimately dependent on objective reality however much it can depart from it and science is the only methodology that has proven consistently reliable in revealing both objective and even subjective truths and unlike faith, a scientific correction doesn't detract from the credibility of science after the fact that it takes a good scientific explanation to correct a defective one which only leads to an improved scientific explanation, Quod erat demonstratum.
@4ThomasAllan So much for your knowledge of consciousness. Why would I told you something else. When a man dies and dies consciousness, but only because the measuring instrument can not prove otherwise, I'm silly. Do you want to see something strange? you will say that it is false, but ok ...youtu.be/h7CB3zNuV74... also...youtu.be/vQZg_DqkIWo..or ...youtu.be/o9If9vSHQVQ.. and i have more of "youtube" and of course, I am not a creationist, just objective rather than theorists
@klopedokle Quod gratis asseritur; gratis negatur! No, not "only because the measuring instrument can not prove otherwise", because you're claiming something in the absence of positive evidence or rather, through negative evidence which is FAITH! That's like saying you can't test for the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster therefore there must be a flying Spaghetti Monster. It doesn't work when Christians try it, why did you think you'd have better luck? Also, those links don't work.-
@4ThomasAllan Not a faith, but experimental evidence, and there are a lot, just not in the interest of materialists, accordingly, and "does not exist in reality". And these are just youtube videos ..--watch?v=h7CB3zNuV74--
and --watch?v=vQZg_DqkIWo-- and --watch?v=o9If9vSHQVQ.
Why on earth do we get force fed with TV talkshows about some pointless bulls in Germany, when there are as interesting, comprehension oriented, intelligent programs available from elsewhere?
@lovellespice Then I can only feel sorry for you if you felt the need to believe in something imaginary. Why Christianity though? Why not Hinduism, the Norse gods or even something you make up yourself?
@lovellespice no, athiests don't have a monopoly on reason, they simply try to apply reason to the ontological questions of the universe, rather than being satisfied with the explanation that a superior inteligence or concious put it here.
@iwanttocrashmybike "You do realize most advancements in Science were made by Men of Religion right?"
But they didn't make them because they were men of religion. Christianity opposed & suppressed some great understandings & has apologised to Galileo & Darwin. Religion needs mankind to be here for a purpose, pure science recognises that we are just a tiny part of nature with little likelihood of avoiding extinction unless we learn very quickly & employ that knowledge. Religion won't save us.
"...from the hallowed halls of Cambridge University to the cages of the U.S. fighting circuit, Storyville meets the U.K.'s most successful female cage fighters...NEXT!"
About as chaotic a juxtaposition as I can imagine!
CHAOS - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
mosainagant 4 months ago
Here is my theory/answer to why we are here:
1. Based on M-theory there is an infinite number of universes
2. Each has varying laws of physics
3. Among all these some have the laws suitable for planets, stars & galaxies to form
4. Among all these a small fraction will see life form and evolve
5. Life can evolve into a civilization
6. A civilization can evolve
7.All possible individuals come to live within all the infinite life in all the universes and since your alive ur possible hence you exist
deanmullen10 4 months ago
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deanmullen10 4 months ago
I dont know why but I think I can relate to Jim and maybe if we meet he will to , maybe because I am deeply astounded by math from an early age and to grow up in an environment like mine "Lebanon" which doesn't appreciate the beauty of mathematics and it profound meaning and I mean teachers and student's whom are so deeply stuck into there monotone life and a whole array of stupidity is integrated into there very minds I wish if I could live in place where I don't get bothered by lesser mortals
baaroodii 4 months ago
@baaroodii i cant bilieve someone jus watched this
devakidd 4 months ago in playlist devakidd's favorites
@devakidd I watch any of his BBC documentaries whenever I have the time ,I don't care if I watched them before , but it was nice knowing that somebody else in the world was indulged by this masterpiece .
baaroodii 4 months ago 2
i think the music in this show is excellent.
sgcollins 4 months ago
@sgcollins that's right music gives a dramatic feeling to it, so beautiful.
TurkiyeCumhurbaskani 4 months ago
This may explain why I missed that 3 ft putt last Saturday
Chipinjack 4 months ago
Excellent film, good summary of Chaos theory for the common person
FluidAdaption 4 months ago
thumbs up if nit grit brought u here :)
strawberries55c 4 months ago
It is interesting that Eastern religions such as Buddhism have known that pairs of opposites are inseperably about the same thing. Good and evil are inseparable as both must exist for either to exist. Good and evil are value judgements that use each other to differentiate so to completely destroy evil you would have to stop thinking. To know light darkness must exist. You can not recognize chaos without knowing order.
mentalphysicalism 4 months ago
Yay Math :D
bryanncampbellca 5 months ago
god disproven
333psychonaut 5 months ago
anyone ever done lsd? this explains it all lol
rocalocko 5 months ago
Only 9 people are stupid.
Petrolianzoolbar 5 months ago
how did life appear from nothingness ?
TheMessanjah 5 months ago
@TheMessanjah It didn't.
craigpsimpson 5 months ago
Bastard state treated Alan Turing like shit
Apemanwithcalculator 5 months ago
single best video iv ever see. mind blowing. wow lots such amazing concepts that are new to me.
emanresubla 5 months ago
what is the music at the very beginning?
stefanizer 5 months ago
@stefanizer
Arvo Pärt- Spiegel im Spiegel :)
nikiboy86 5 months ago
@nikiboy86
thank you!!:D
stefanizer 5 months ago
This video was beautiful, and I know that some people will point to it and say it's god's signature in everything. God=Math. If that's the case, it's no wonder I'm agnostic, possibly atheist on a bad day, because I dont get math and never will. Hell bound for sure...I'm more of a language oriented person....:(
isisdron 5 months ago
@isisdron - You don't need to fully comprehend the math in order to appreciate the implications of it. ;)
CmdrGendoIkari 5 months ago
@TheEvilflea So much about Nikola Tesla. I can't blame you.
klopedokle 5 months ago 3
@TheEvilflea Sorry but the bible has never predicted anything. Has a disaster ever been averted? no. Has any discovery ever been made because of it, let alone any religion? no. The bible is the superstition of primitive human culture and nothing more. The thing is if all science and all religion were lost.. they would both be recreated but religion would be completely different the next time.. science would be rediscovered exactly how it is now because it's provable and not a made up story.
strobe74 5 months ago
@TheEvilflea Sorry but the bible has never predicted anything. Has a disaster ever been averted? no. Has any discovery ever been made because of it (let alone any religion)? no. The bible is the superstition of primitive human culture and nothing more. The thing is if all science and all religion were lost.. they would both be recreated but religion would be completely different the next time.. science would be rediscovered exactly how it is now because it's provable and not a made up story.
strobe74 5 months ago
yay brazil =P awesome documentary, thanks for uploading stuff that matters
kupfernikel 5 months ago
This video is an elegant abstract of a very deep field. Obviously "god" is indeed a delusion. People will continue to use that concept (god) as either a crutch or a lever.
There is one thing 99.999% of people cannot handle at all: Reality.
absolutelyfree1963 5 months ago
@averylbrooks Thanks for the upload
9stairz 5 months ago
Chaos is in man's head and not in the Universe. I do not believe in the scientific conclusions based on the feeling of reality. The fact is that science does not know the origin of life, or how the universe was created.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle Is this that good old god of the gaps argument?
IndulgingExistence 5 months ago
@IndulgingExistence it's not an argument, just a good old conclusion. When science realizes that her references were wrong, it will be the largest ever scientific scope.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle A conclusion based on what evidence? So You're saying that you can tell what's wrong with this -->watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo and this -->watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
IndulgingExistence 5 months ago
@IndulgingExistence Sorry, but I have no gods such is Dawkins and i'm not a creationists, try with real genius and scientists - like it was Nikola Tesla.
klopedokle 5 months ago
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@klopedokle "Sorry, but I have no gods such is Dawkins" umm ok. You seem to be making less sense the more you speak.
What was the point of your statement "I do not believe in the scientific conclusions based on the feeling of reality. The fact is that science does not know the origin of life, or how the universe was created" do you have evidence that the videos I linked are incorrect, or do you just like spouting anti-science rhetoric.
IndulgingExistence 5 months ago
@klopedokle That makes no sense. You are who your brain makes you. There's no separation between brain and mind. So what do you base your reality on? Because science is the best tool we have to go beyond the 'feeling of reality'. Science isn't based off some dude in a lab coat 'feeling' his/her reality. I'd like to see your research on how chaos exists only in the human mind and not in the universe around us. It sounds like you're a want-to-be philosopher...but you aren't very good at it.
Henysheadonwall 5 months ago
@Henysheadonwall Of course there is a difference between the brain (body) and consciousness (energy). Science is a very broad term. What U mean by science is a materialistic paradigm. Materialist paradigm is limited and necessarily leads to the problem of explaining reality. At least the universe is matter present, and as such has the slightest significance.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle Wow, you have absolutely no idea what you're taking about. You have no evidence to support your claims. Without a brain...you wouldn't have a mind. It's as simple as that. You're spouting out words you don't understand. You're good at spouting nonsense but that's about it. Go read and do some real research. You can't pull a hypotheses out of your ass and claim fact.
Henysheadonwall 5 months ago
@Henysheadonwall Of course I know what I mean, what you do not know what I mean, it's your thing. In life, you will see a separate brain and consciousness, because man is not a machine but a holistic concept, I agree. The hypothesis is that STR is true, I know at least two scientists from Serbia who was brought down. But materialistic science has a monopoly of reallity, as the church had.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle No, you will not see a separate brain and consciousness. The brain's insanely intricate neural networks make the mind. It's through the evolutionary process that created the human race that our minds were born. As for science having a monopoly on the understanding of reality, well yes, it somewhat does and it should! The scientific method has been fined tuned to battle anything claiming monopoly on a subject matter without evidence/expertise/logic; including old hypothesis/theories.
Henysheadonwall 5 months ago
@Henysheadonwall The brain is not the same as consciousness, or thinking brain, but the brain is the place where the mind is thinking. To the "Western" science does not know these facts, it is another matter. Just as allopathic medicine does not know the real cause of chronic disease, or knows how to heal a chronic illness. And while "reality" is subordinate to theoretical physicist, long a person will be composed only of biochemical reactions., and the cosmos will be 13.7 billion years old.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle Okay, you seriously sound high. I can't tell if you're a troll or not. Either way, I just can't take any of your arguments seriously. I'll stick to my "Western" science (what is "Western" science supposed to mean anyway?). I'm guessing you use pseudoscience.
Henysheadonwall 5 months ago
@Henysheadonwall I don't use pseudoscience, probably Tesla is for you pseudo-scientist also. Tesla was never a theorist, and he was able to prove as experimental wave speed of 400 km / sec, not to mention other things that someone else has failed. It is known that Tesla lab never went out, how much and in that Einstein never entered it. "Western" science is a purely materialistic, belongs only to a minority for whom nothing but dead matter does not exist.
klopedokle 5 months ago
I think this guy is on some pretty heavy ganja
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan Maybe I'll ask where he gets it, lol : P
Henysheadonwall 5 months ago
@Henysheadonwall lol
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
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klopedokle 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan And I think you just trying to do something with provocation :), ok. Albert Einstein in a letter to a friend Solovine 1949: "You imagine that with a calm I am pleased to see the masterpiece of my life, but viewed up close, looks completely different. In my area there is a single term, for which I am convinced that will remain stable in the future, and I feel completely insecure and wonder, am I at all on the right track ... ". But you really do not know anything about Tesla :D
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle Unless you can tie Einstein's letter to what you've been saying it's irrelevant. Furthermore, I think you're the one confused about Tesla, try reading direct information about him rather than the shit filtered through to you by new-age spiritualists. Also, anybody who has an idea and then rather than test its veracity, just cherry-picks information to support their position can only be described as lucky if their argument doesn't collapse(not a genius, not a scientist). Also, their-
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
-there* is a specious difference between refining something and testing it, ultimately both exercises are working to reduce the error bars on information.
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan First, we have touched on various topics. As you know, Tesla practically never out of the labs, while also well known that Einstein did not enter it. First, the fact that 1900. Tesla was experimentally confirmed a speed of 470.000 km/sec is the fact of his documents from the Nikola Tesla Museum in Belgrade. The fact that 2000 was the Italians confirmed speed greater than c, and it is now confirmed by CERN is just the beginning.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan Also, the belief in scientific theory as the ultimate truth is a pseudo-science. Because what happens, even "verified" theory is misleading, and its evidence is based on the poetry of mathematics, and "evidence" is based on imaginary references. I know at least three scientists from Serbia who are mathematically knocked STR. You can call me how you want, with new age I have nothing to do, but time will not deny the fact that most theorists of physics behave as pseudo-scientists.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle K, you really need to fix your grammar and I'm not saying that to insult you but some of your sentences make no sense and haven't even been tied in to your argument properly so as to be relevant. Furthermore do you really understand the scientific method and the differences between science and pseudo-science or more fundamentally, the difference between being intelligent and being well informed? How is a neutrino going 60 nano-seconds faster than (c), proof of spirit or any of that-
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
-other shit?
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan That also can many other people, and it's just your personal belief that there is no such things as this, nor know that it is a natural things. Man is much more perfect instrument than artificial. If someone can not understand something, accept, see or touch, does not mean that it does not exist. People often experience a phenomenon but they can not explain them, and on the basis that there are different explanations and general rejection.But ok, for U there is no shit like that :)
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle First off, not being able to see or touch something doesn't mean it is beyond scientific observation. Secondly, being able to understand something only reflects on your own acumen. Spirituality is by virtue of being unproven, only an opinion in and of itself, qoud gratis assiritur; gratis negatur, i.e., what you assert freely(without evidence), I can deny freely. The onis is on you to prove its existence if you're making the claim that it does indeed exist so far from being an-
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
-opinion, it's a logical default, the alternative would be unrestrained or arbitrary credulity, if I walked past you and told you I was Lug demanded a human sacrifice from you and Arthur Wellesly was actually a bowl of custard would you believe me off the bat? Some experiences can be inexplicable for people but that also doesn't mean it is merely their inability to articulate it or that their subjective interpretation of it may not hold true objectively.
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan First off, that's just your opinion and the opinion one part of science - that spirituality is unprovable. There is evidence - that talking about from the start, and not just philosophical. Second, I have no just opinion or belief only, but the natural experience, possibility of seeing the energies, process in the aura and beyond, using energies for healing and not only for that, and I proved to dozens of friends, acquaintances and people who I do not know.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle lol, why don't you try to get that published in a peer reviewed science journal? FYI, there are no contradicting "opinions" in science - that right there is proof that you have no idea about what you're talking about. The laws of science are always given with conditions upon which they're predicated, contradicting them proves only that you changed the conditions so that the law was no longer applicable or that you proved that the law was poorly defined in the first place.
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan So much for science "pluralism":) or a monopoly. I do not need proof, I have it, you need proof, but you prefer to believe that some things do not exist just because some communities where the poet-scientist says so. I have no problem with that. Try to understand that there is nothing of it - because they do not explore non-physical phenomena - and not even know whether something exists or not. Even in 1900, Tesla demonstrated a speed of 470.000 km / sec. Einstein was a poet. :)
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle WTF? What you said is ridiculous. The plurality in science lies in what is being studied not in the methodology being employed otherwise why would anybody call it science(the method is what defines science as science)? Martial arts are varied but that doesn't mean reading a book can also be considered a martial art. Anybody can call anything proof of anything but it doesn't make it so, if you want those claims to be taken seriously as science then publish it in a peer reviewed-
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
-science journal. I prefer not to be a credulous moron that believes every dubious story I come across which is why I have certain standards - this is not unlike anybody else in essence, even you would probably be unwilling to believe that I am the son of a sandwhich and the god of death. Terms like "Poet-scientist" mean nothing to me btw, I gather that you're just trying to detract from the credibility of scientists by attaching a title to their profession typically associated with the arts-
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
but that reflects more on your opinion than on their credentials. Also, the "monopoly" on science by scientists is as justified as the monopoly on electrical repairs by electricians is, or surgery by surgeons or are you perhaps telling me that you would be willing to let me drug you and cut you up with a scalpel if I told you that I know what I'm doing? Tesla's demonstrations and Einstein's hobbies are about as relevant as my eye-colour.
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan 1. The method is - one who is a very misunderstood what method is - reading the Aristotle :))). So wrong. For something to be prvable teory must his hypothesis be a logical, mathematically and physically. Unlike Einstein STR. So it's science-poetry, pride and joy "developed" science, which is spilling over too much money that somehow failed to prove. A wrong is at the very beginning .. What you think you understand it, that's your problem.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle This is where your broken English is causing problems; that post is an unintelligible grammatical disaster. I'm going to take a wild guess at what you were trying to communicate anyway. First off, Aristotle was brilliant however he was subject to the technological and information deficits of his time further and most of his work is obsolete, further, he can't be considered a scientist as per the modern semantics of the word because his methodology was not purely empirical. Calling-
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
-Einstein's special theory of relativity(I assume that's what your acronym stood for) science-poetry is a non-sequitur as is the claim that pride and joy developed science in the absence of an explicit argument to link the two, furthermore, what exactly did science "fail" to prove despite its expenditure? I think you've misunderstood a lot more than mere English grammar...
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
just get the word order typology right and don't be too trigger happy with punctuation or it will all seem disconnected. Capitalization and that kind of thing doesn't really obscure your posts too much.
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan Ok, danke .. In departments where the study of nuclear physics,
or disintegration of atomic nuclei, applies the conversion of matter into energy without the rest of the fission and all accounts agree. The departments of Astrophysics, however, mass calculated by measuring strength of gravity, which is again calculated by the Doppler shift, so that on the paper are missing more than ninety percent of matter in the Cosmos. -
klopedokle 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan -- Rather than change the theory, this school is called "mass defect". That is, it's a mass fault why is missing, because head of department and professors "think good and teach the truth."
STR has never been proven, nor understood, nor can be - because it is nonsense. And we, we can like this forever, my friend - time is relative and depends on the observer, on the other hand it is argued that the time quantum leap is not measurable (teaching of modern physics - illogical views)
klopedokle 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan "Tesla's light bulbs for molecular bombing was the ancestor of another very modern invention - the cyclotron for breaking atoms. Cyclotron, which is in the last 20 years has created E.L.Lorens ... Small glass ball, six inches or less in diameter, which represented Tesla's light bulb to molecular bombardment, had the same devastating effect of the solid matter, and probably much stronger than any current cyclotron (reactor) for splitting the atom, despite all its enormous size. "
klopedokle 5 months ago
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BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001 Try it yourself to begin to explain STR. And when you see a negative length and height, five-dimensional hyper-sphere - then prove it physically, and than you may keep that in to ur garage. Mathematics is a nice story, but a physical reality is something else. In the spring, will find out why CERN give up his experiments, and not just because of funds. The job of scientists who are trying for 106 years to prove STR and fail is to change theory, it's not ashame to admited mistake.
klopedokle 5 months ago
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BigEnos001 5 months ago
@klopedokle
I have made no claim about this "STR" (I can guess what you're referring to, but why not spell it out) and so have no need to to explain anything regarding whatever it is you a referring to. I made a claim about a dog and a claim about a dragon.
Do you accept my claim about my dog?
Do you accept my claim about my dragon?
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001 I agree.. the "dragon" is the STR :)
(cannot prove it, but also is a popular "theory" and of course, Einstein is not to be doubted)
I know that these examples relate to me, but I'm not saying anything new. If anyone wants proof for existance a subtle enegries, let them look for instead of listening to this or that, me or some skeptics. I have proof, and I do not care to prove to the some skeptics or materialist, ateists. Here we have an Einstein and his poetry.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle
Whatever my dragon may be an analogy for, it is not an analogy for Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. I have made no mention of Einstein, do not hold Einstein, or his theories up as sacred cows and if any theory of his is disproved tomorrow, that's fine. His 'cosmological constant' model was wrong because he was fallible. You may be rather peoccupied with him for personal reasons, but I'm not, so there's no need to assume so.
Look for "subtle energies"?
What? Where? How?
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@klopedokle
That said, I do have a couple of tiny questions.
Describe how you think nuclear reactions in reactors, weapons and stars produce so much energy from proportionately modest amounts of matter?
Why should two initially synchronised atomic clocks become unsynchronised after one has been flown around the world whilst the other remains on the ground?
I assume that you can adequately explain these phenomena without having to refer to the work of any emminent phycists?
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001 That is link for the - Mathematical Methods to Refute Einstein's Electrodynamics - prof. dr Velimir Abramovic, just download the material.
"What? Where? How?" be creative, come visit the Serbia :).
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle
"Due to the curvature of space is certainly not."
That's General Relativity. You were talking about Special Relativity, but nevermind, in time Einstein's theories may be disproved, but as I already said, so what?.
"When you reach the speed of light with rockets..."
How? What type of "rocket"? Propulsion method?
"be creative"
I am creative and imaginative, I'm a designer. And Tolkien was a highly creative writer that created a whole mythology. Which he didn't claim was real.
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001 More with the thought that come to visit me, and I would showed you the way to understand that you can feel certain things you did not pay much attention. Subtle energies is everywhere, as there is no vacuum of interplanetary space. But certain places on Earth have a special quality of energy fields. Many places are known, such as Westminster Abbey, Hagia Sophia, Jaipur, Sarnat, Giza, Palenque, Chichen Itza, Campeche, and many others. I doubt that you are interested to.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle
If you were of the beautiful female persuasion then I might be of the persuasion to visit you. But anyway, seriously, "Subtle energies is everywhere, as there is no vacuum of interplanetary space." sounds like you are actually alluding to quantum vacume energy, whether you realise it or would admit it or not. You're free to call it spirtitual whatever you like, I wouldn't crucify you or burn you alive for that. We all "feel" many things because we are complex emotional beings.
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001 Ok, I belive U - U r hidding a Comodo dragon. :))
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle
I'm sure the dragon (and the celestial teapot) probably seem very trite to 'believers', compared to the all encompassing spiritual and religious beliefs that they are happy to routinely insist represent reality. But the real point is that to somebody that isn't in thrall to the emotional need for spiritual beliefs, those spiritual claims are no more justifiable than claiming that there's an invisible incorporeal dragon in the garage and expecting that claim to be simply accepted.
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001 Now I can tell you that you call it as you know that something exists. I am not talking about the energy that is known to science (materialistic scientists). I can work with these energies. Not because I am special, but because i'm doing that for more than15 years. I know many other people dealing with it.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle
Are you familiar with Derren Brown?
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001
If you want, I can send you a text in the field, by a Russian academic, if you sincerely interested.
Link connection, of course it will not work separated - not allowed to put a link in the comment differently.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle
I mean the link didn't work with the spaces removed, but don't worry about it, I googled the article and author instead. I've said it before, but if Einstein is proven wrong on any currently accepted theory, then so be it.. He was dead wrong in his reaction to Niels bohr and his contemporaries regarding Quantum Theory and remained resolutely so until he died. He is not a holy cow and neither is any other scientist or any particular theory so you don't need to convince me of that.
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001
I agre about believing in something as religious believes. I don't have just believes, but a long prax with certain things which I approach with great suspicion.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@BigEnos001
You suddenly appeared with a comment, so I kept at that pace.
I'm not familiar with Derren Brown, but I see he is a illusionist.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle
Well yes essentially. He's extremely gifted at performing audacious acts of mental trickery. The things he can get an audience to do and to accept are quite incredible...and then he will explain exactly how he does it. He has also investigated the extraodinary claims made within certain 'professions' (psychics, cold readers etc) and shown not only how he can recreate their results, but often more effectively. It adds quite a bit of perspective but maybe it's not to your taste.
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001
You set the question, I answered. Better see the link I put there (if you want, of course). If you do not care all that, just say so. If you understand me less literal and more ironic about certain things, then u will understand me more. But I still think that you really don't care what I want to say, but to show me that what I saying is nonsense. But ok, it's your right :)
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle
The link doesn't work (with the spaces removed). I understand that my (or actually Carl Sagan's) dragon exercise is a little different to the extraordinary claims it analogises, because by it's very nature as an analogy, it is unlikely to be a claim that is made honestly. But it is still a good analogy because in it's full unfalsifiable extent it is techically very similar to the scientifically unfalsifiable claims it is designed to analogise. At least to critcal thinkers anyway.
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@klopedokle
What is "subtle energy" and why would visiting Serbia aid me in detecting it? Is there a 'Rift' in Serbia, like there is in Cardiff or a 'hellmouth'' in Serbia like there is in Sunnydale, California? (Which are both fictional parts of the fictional universes of Torchwood and Buffy The Vampire Slayer of course which most would agree don't exist in the non-fictional universe that you and I inhabit). Is there a genetic trait in Serbians to sense "energy" that mundane Englishmen can't?
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@klopedokle
Do you or do you not accept my claim that there is a dragon in my garage?
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001 When it comes to lies and nonsense, then of course I do not believe you. If you think I am lying when I say that I have certain abilities (that probably most people on the planet have but it does not deal with). Then call me a liar. I am telling you my experience. If you do not agree with that considering, it is your opinion. You are entitled to it.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle
How do you know that my dragon is "lies and nonsense"? What critical criteria are you utilising there to decide that it is likely that my claim is false?
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@klopedokle
Just to be clear, I haven't suggested that you are a liar. If I were to doubt your preferred interpretation of a personal "experience", I am not necessarily doubting that you have had some kind of "experience". The issue of whether it is the only or best interpretation is a separate issue. If you claim to believe what you say, then I believe that you do indeed believe what you say. If I suspect that your interpretation is 'biased' I accept that it may be unintentionally so.
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@klopedokle
I own a dog. That could be a false claim, but presumably you have had some personal experience that confirms to your satisfaction the existence of dogs and would thus accept that my claim is entirely plausible?
How about if I then go on to claim that I own a dragon (which I keep in my garage)? Are you prepared to take my word for that also? Why not?
All claims are not created equal and that is why your more extraordinary claims require more than just your word to become credible.
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001
Why should two initially synchronised atomic clocks become unsynchronised after one has been flown around the world whilst the other remains on the ground?
Due to the curvature of space is certainly not. When you reach the speed of light with rockets and when they measured the experiment, then u will know for shure that "time is independent of body movement".
Until try this
h tt p :// w w w .worldsci.org/ php/ index.php?tab0=Abstracts&tab1=Display&id=6093&tab=2
klopedokle 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan
Your lengthy exchange with klopedokle was quite an entertaining read. He should give Matt Dillahunty or Jeff Dee a call on 'The Atheist Experience'. If you're unfamiliar, it's a public access call in show from Austin, Texas. There's a lot videos on youtube and it's well worth a look. Maybe we shouldn't mock the critically compromised, hopelessly confirmation biased, disingenuously 'shoulder-chip' afflicted, but watching hapless fish leaping into a barrel has rarely been more fun.
BigEnos001 5 months ago
@BigEnos001 sup, yea, i just picked up the torch from another user; "Henysheadonwall", and I'll pass it on to you now. Personally, I'm not sure whether he either has really bad English or is a mendacious troll hiding behind incoherent answers indirectly justified as "broken English"(his grammatical errors are inconsistent). Some people who buy into all that new age spiritualism are actually just gullible and it's popular in eastern Europe atm, but some are just dishonest con-artists-
4ThomasAllan 4 months ago
-opportunistically spreading misinformation like graduates of the O'Reilly-Beck school of talking shit. Yea, I've seen some of The Atheist Experience videos, the ridiculous calls they get are entertaining even if a tragic reflection on the caller lol. Actually, spirituality and all that crap is quite popular all over atm and that's just really sad. If humanity ever escape these oppressive shadows of our antecedents' misinformed cultures then I envy our descendants.
4ThomasAllan 4 months ago
@4ThomasAllan The division between the normal and the paranormal is wrong, because everything is actually normal. The only difference is in the subtlety and sensibility of the nervous system. He is more subtle, stimulus threshold is higher. The development is based on meditation and meditation is a long exercise in the brain to function at lower frequencies consciously. So, while you sleep at a frequency of 7 Hz my consciousness at 6 Hz brainwave is awake. And that's a big difference.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan My English is broken English, I apologize for that again. That claim about the existence of spirit, or subtle energy is something other than what I was talking about Einstein and the theory. The existence of subtle energy has its own evidence. One of the many facts in addition to the evidence that I personally can see the energy, I work with them, use them, I can experience them and not just the electromagnetic energy of the Earth or human biofield, but even more suptile "shit".
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle Yes well, I don't have a problem with broken English but just don't go nuts when people understandably misinterpret what you're saying. Also, as far as "seeing energy" it sounds like you're passing from the realm of science to spirituality(which is fine if you believe all that I guess - it's your own business), but don't then conflate science with spirituality, that's just pseudo-science(if you're no longer using an empirical methodology then stop calling it science).
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@klopedokle k, I think you're getting a little out of your depth here. Barely any of that makes sense in English. Either you're foreign and need more lessons or you really need to lay off the peace pipe. Also, Science is Science, not "western science". Traditionalists just use that term to try and gain favour with nationalists and de-colonizationists but it means nothing, science by it's methodology, is the same for and available to everybody and anybody despite geo-cultural affiliations.
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan No, in science need pluralism. Science has never, not even now there is no consensus on the issue of all things. And there has never been greater consensus about stupid theory and some special things (big bang, STR) - and this is a "Western science". When conversations go into ad hominem, it is clear with whom I work. I apologize for my English.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle Don't hide behind the "victim card". The is a difference between an ad hominem and a recognition of mendacious nonsense. An ad hominem for instance, isn't followed by an explanation as to why the argument in question is flawed. Also, there are plenty of consensuses on various issues throughout the scientific disciplines. I couldn't really make out what you were getting at about special things, big bang and that being western science and "stupid theory" whatever that is
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan "Either you're foreign and need more lessons or you really need to lay off the peace pipe" and similar statements of yours, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but not on such statements. My point is, that there are studies that go beyond the paradigm of materialism, and of course, that is also scientific, and materialistic science does not want to even consider. The work and research of Nikola Tesla refuted many current claims.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle "Either you're foreign and need more lessons or you really need to lay off the peace pipe" isn't an insult after the fact that it's quite clearly been made in reference to your intelligible posts. Also, why do you keep bringing up Nikola Tesla? A) his work while brilliant is vieux jeux, and B) his contributions were in the most materialistic fields of science and that leaves me wondering whether you even know what you're talking about or are you just using obscure Scientists' names?-
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
-Also, as per the definition of science, claims require the devising of testable experiments before they can upgrade from speculation to bona-fide theory. Testing happens in the material world whether it is with living subjects or inanimate substances, science is at its core, material.
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan Unlike the usual scientific method (hypothesis - test), Tesla had the first evidence and then mathematically argued, always works, because all his ideas very real. The proof is received not thinking about it, but the knowledge of the spiritual sphere, and then brought up to scratch in the laboratory of the mind until it worked. At the end of the apprentices said that what is processed in the mind of making, and never has been an error.
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle uhm no, you're talking barely intelligible bullox again although it does seem like you're trying to associate new age pseudo-science and spirituality with Nikola Tesla.
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
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@klopedokle Wow, you have absolutely no idea what you're taking about. You have no evidence to support your claims. Without a brain...you wouldn't have a mind. It's as simple as that. You're spouting out words you don't understand. You're good at spouting nonsense but that's about it. Go read and do some real research. You can't pull a hypotheses out of your ass and claim fact.
Henysheadonwall 5 months ago
@klopedokle uhm, no, that's bullox. First of all, scientist have a pretty good idea about how life arose on earth(Abiogenesis). Secondly, calling Dawkins a god is something only creationists do. Furthermore, Consciousness is simply an emergent property of the brain's physical organization and saying there is a difference between the body and energy is like saying there is a difference between a cake and icing(specious as both matter and energy are physical phenomenon). Subjective reality is-
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
-ultimately dependent on objective reality however much it can depart from it and science is the only methodology that has proven consistently reliable in revealing both objective and even subjective truths and unlike faith, a scientific correction doesn't detract from the credibility of science after the fact that it takes a good scientific explanation to correct a defective one which only leads to an improved scientific explanation, Quod erat demonstratum.
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan So much for your knowledge of consciousness. Why would I told you something else. When a man dies and dies consciousness, but only because the measuring instrument can not prove otherwise, I'm silly. Do you want to see something strange? you will say that it is false, but ok ...youtu.be/h7CB3zNuV74... also...youtu.be/vQZg_DqkIWo..or ...youtu.be/o9If9vSHQVQ.. and i have more of "youtube" and of course, I am not a creationist, just objective rather than theorists
klopedokle 5 months ago
@klopedokle Quod gratis asseritur; gratis negatur! No, not "only because the measuring instrument can not prove otherwise", because you're claiming something in the absence of positive evidence or rather, through negative evidence which is FAITH! That's like saying you can't test for the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster therefore there must be a flying Spaghetti Monster. It doesn't work when Christians try it, why did you think you'd have better luck? Also, those links don't work.-
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
-Also, being Objective has nothing to do with whether or not you're a theorist.
4ThomasAllan 5 months ago
@4ThomasAllan Not a faith, but experimental evidence, and there are a lot, just not in the interest of materialists, accordingly, and "does not exist in reality". And these are just youtube videos ..--watch?v=h7CB3zNuV74--
and --watch?v=vQZg_DqkIWo-- and --watch?v=o9If9vSHQVQ.
klopedokle 5 months ago
So much for intelligent design.
Sorry Christians, find a new hobby
godly04 5 months ago
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I do believe I have just been mind fucked
ElectricTurkey1 5 months ago
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I do believe I have just been mind fucked
ElectricTurkey1 5 months ago
Ahahahahahahah I love that they used this guy in dubstep. Yay NiT GriT<3
CircusSanctuary 5 months ago
Why on earth do we get force fed with TV talkshows about some pointless bulls in Germany, when there are as interesting, comprehension oriented, intelligent programs available from elsewhere?
Beautyfully presented science, well done, BBC!
eotunun 5 months ago 5
@eotunun
You say it! German TV and other media gets just more stupid everyday.
inVivoArt 5 months ago
5 people are fundamentalists deniing the truth
RollyBuster 5 months ago
anyone can answer the HOW questions.. what about the WHY?
lovellespice 5 months ago
@lovellespice That's what philosophy and religion is made for
RollyBuster 5 months ago
@lovellespice WHY? ;-)
ThomasJordt 5 months ago
@lovellespice There is no need for a "WHY?"
We're born, we live and we die. That's it. Make the best out of the time you have instead of pondering "why".
sgtspankalot 5 months ago
@sgtspankalot that's just your subjective opinion
lovellespice 5 months ago
@lovellespice Yes, but it also makes your life a whole lot easier. And without religion, it makes a lot of peoples lifes easier.
sgtspankalot 5 months ago
@sgtspankalot speak for yourself, i was brought up atheist until i converted to catholicism
lovellespice 5 months ago
@lovellespice Then I can only feel sorry for you if you felt the need to believe in something imaginary. Why Christianity though? Why not Hinduism, the Norse gods or even something you make up yourself?
sgtspankalot 4 months ago
@sgtspankalot why so condescending? why not christianity? do atheists have a monopoly on reason? i don't think so.
lovellespice 4 months ago
@lovellespice no, athiests don't have a monopoly on reason, they simply try to apply reason to the ontological questions of the universe, rather than being satisfied with the explanation that a superior inteligence or concious put it here.
jcaites 4 months ago 6
@jcaites i whish itd be a "super like" button XD
cagethug 4 months ago
@lovellespice Why? Because we're a way for the universe to know itself. - Carl Sagan
GLainesse 5 months ago
watch 26:05 baked. just do it.
Guitarplayer22222 5 months ago
NNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTT GGGGGGGRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTT
Guitarplayer22222 5 months ago
The entire universe has a web-like structure, google 'millenium simulation'
CarbonAndWater 5 months ago
Everything just falls into place. It's not that complex.
elwood180 6 months ago
44:00 hurts my brain..
TheHunterLegion 6 months ago
NIT GRIT!
TheB53 6 months ago 43
Thumbs up if you got sent here because of this video ; watch?v=LZ73Hy7ob-A&feature=relmfu
xViNo30x 6 months ago
where can i find more infomation on the computerized evolution systems at the end of the documentry????????
philarker06 6 months ago 2
@philarker06 the software is called "Euphoria"
ckhalifazada 6 months ago
hello, do you know what is the name of the song that plays at the beginning of the documentary?
marcosconese 6 months ago
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@marcosconese "hello, do you know what is the name of the song that plays at the beginning of the documentary?"
It's Spiegel I'm Spiegel by Arvo Pärt.
GuillemotWatcher 6 months ago
I do not debate the untestable and insane, for it is insane and untestable.
Here's Mr.Turing,
His rational has survived the test.
fatcat2939 6 months ago
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fatcat2939 6 months ago
mmmm chaos the most beautiful thing in this world
landialiha 6 months ago
This helps explain politics and repeat wars and mistakes and why you can't win an argument with your girlfriend.
HORDES OF CHAOS!!!!-Kreator
Mammothviking 6 months ago
Is GOD Evil?
/watch?v=nXz92KNgxM8
iwanttocrashmybike 6 months ago
There already was a Christian utopia before, aka the Dark Ages.
Redshift64 6 months ago
@Redshift64 You do realize most advancements in Science were made by Men of Religion right?
iwanttocrashmybike 6 months ago
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@iwanttocrashmybike "You do realize most advancements in Science were made by Men of Religion right?"
But they didn't make them because they were men of religion. Christianity opposed & suppressed some great understandings & has apologised to Galileo & Darwin. Religion needs mankind to be here for a purpose, pure science recognises that we are just a tiny part of nature with little likelihood of avoiding extinction unless we learn very quickly & employ that knowledge. Religion won't save us.
GuillemotWatcher 6 months ago
I wish I knew how to find the music in this video... anyone? anyone?
drmaier 6 months ago
"...from the hallowed halls of Cambridge University to the cages of the U.S. fighting circuit, Storyville meets the U.K.'s most successful female cage fighters...NEXT!"
About as chaotic a juxtaposition as I can imagine!
It just about proves the thesis...
ThePeaceableKingdom 6 months ago
This is the best, the most amazing, the most important vid I've seen in a long time...
ThePeaceableKingdom 6 months ago 36