His Majesty Nicholas II was a hero, he sacrificed his life trying to save his country from dictatorship. Had the White Army been victorious in the civil war, not only would Russia have been spared decades of tyranny, but nations around the world could've remained free from oppression. Unfortunately even today millions of people are still suffering under communism.
Poor eastern Europe, which suffered because of stalinists, and poor, poor Russia, rodina-mat', you have borne both imperial dictatorship and soviet totalitarianism, and right now capitalism and corruption are killing you. If things keep on going that bad, I fear that everything that will remain of you will be those badass tsarist/soviet musics on which so many people usually rant.
You are crazy guys. U praise white side that was absolutely not a light side. I am Czech and Czech legions were in middle of events of civil war or Russia. Our 50 000 soldiers conquered half of Siberia from Volga river up to Irkutsk. We smashed Red army and if needed also white troops. The reason was that both sides behave in their won country like evil dogs. Both sides were mass murderers of their own people. Thousends of villages and towns were annihilated. No White nor Red side was option.
@StargateNews Yeah the Czech Legion. They were socialists and during the war they hindered the movement of white troops and supplies and in the end to save their own skins they sold Admiral Kolchak to the Reds so they could get a train to Vladivostock. They were traitors to cause they pledged themselves to and for that I almost respect the Reds more at least they knew what side they were on.
@DrKorn5 This is a Russian fairytale. Czech troops were under French command, the giving Kolchak came from allies and Reds guaranteed his safety. Traitors? Lol. Purpose of Czech legions was fight against Germans in ww1 on Russian front. It were Reds who traited us and who sold us to Germans in exchange for peace. It were also White who traited entire nation as they behaved like beasts in own country. Our reason to stay in war ended with end of ww1. Blame Whites from lost not Czechs:).
@StargateNews Half of Siberia?! And you blame others that they are crazy.:) Czech troops controled a few Siberian rail stations and towns - and only as long as there were no proper Russian troops around. What do you expect from twice traitors? Thet were good in looting and mass executions and torturing - but not quite on the front line. Following their withdrawal they left very bad memories - unless oyu are absolutely mad you can't be proud about this page of your history.
@Trinadtsatyi According you the "proper Russian troops" were not "around" for 2 years what was time we hold the Siberia:). (1918-1920). For example i saw a documentary movie where was described how White cossacs captured 900 red prisoners. 1/3 was shooted, 1/3 boiled and rest drowned in river. Czech officers sent official protest note against these cruelties to Kolchak who totally ignored it. It is Russia and your history who ignore value of human life.
@StargateNews And I saw documents about the crimes commited by the "Legioners". Don't you understand that you like a baby swallowed what was chosen for you by the movie director? Yeh, all committed crimes, not only Czechs - but Czechs comitted them to Russians. So why are you surprised that those who saw them were not fond of Czechs? A regards 2 years (actually, 1.5) - most of this time they were the allies of the Whites obeying the orders of Kolchak. Then Czechs betrayed him and fleed away.
@Trinadtsatyi Hello, i am trying to debate about the problem and my point is definitely not to effend anyone. Just wishint to tell that Red side was praised entire last century by soviet regime, now the White side is praised by new Russia and both versions are wrong. Truth lies somewhere in the middle and both sides were pretty cruel. Concerning Czech troops: parcicipation in your civil war was not reason they were created but here is no space for this talk due lack of space. Greetings to Russia
@StargateNews We already have monuments to all who died in the Civil War - it was a tragedy. The Reds were however by far more cruel. I know the history of Czech troops. But you claimed that they "controlled half of Siberia"! The reality was quite different - they fought under Kolchak's command (quite well - given that the "Red troops" were initially 90% ex-POW Germans and Hungarians I thank them for that) but committed crimes and then betrayed Kolchak and left home. Greetings to Czechia:)
@StargateNews How can you fight the evil? Communists killed priests destroyed churches . What did you expect from the real Russian army to behave? We Greeks say about a man without honor ''He has no God!'' in Greek ''Δεν έχει το Θεό του!''
@StargateNews wtf are tyou tlaking about. Red amry killed nobody and wtf did Czechs evils were doing in siberia. WTF? are you stupid. you dont know what yout talkign about, Red army saved their people from the dogs.Whites killed the people. STFU
@XxPhoenixHarpyexX2 As i am Czech i can mention two next dates when we met Red army. 1945 when they liberated part of CZ from Germans. Whey were welcomed by people as true heroes. No matter usual behaving was stealing, thefts, murders and raping. I remember how my granddad described situation from Prague how Russian officer shooted 2 his soldiers who attempted to rape girl on street. It was in friendly country. In 1968 red army guys has no problem to shoot 18 years old girls and boys in Prague.
you are as well a liar. Red army would never shoot children. when ill you realize that ANY army in the world from ANy race or country will commit crimes and rapes and tyranny? what is america doing in afghanistan? arent they killing children too? why are you so stupid and brainwashed? this is war, get over it, it wasnt meant to be pink with shooting rainbows!
perhaps it would have been better to have let you conquered by Hitler and his holocausts maybe?
@XxPhoenixHarpyexX2 I never told american troops are better:) However your argument in war everything is allowed is poor excuse of beasts. There are still men who simply act like a men even in bad cirscumstances of war.
@StargateNews well then realize what i just told you, all countries in all wars were fought wrong & bad. all wars had rapes & crimes. why are u bashing the leftists? it wasnt the crimes of soviets, but the crimes of unholy humanity. it is not the ideologies and politics that makes war and crimes, it is the unholy creatures that uses it behind an unholy act with an unholy motivated intention. Communism, capitalism, nazism...there are all the same, its our leaders that are faulty.
@StargateNews I'm from CZ rep. too.... I'm 18 yrs old and probably that's why I don't feel disgust to SSSR or Красная Армия I don't care about it... I just don't care that theese songs are sung to glory CCCP...... I mean - for me it's fantastic, magical music like Mozart or something like this. AND I THINK THAT POLEMIC ABOUT WHICH ARMY WAS WORST IS NO SENCE!! basically all armies are bad ;-) (imho)
No doubt russian songs are pretty impressive. My favourite are Sacred war (Svatá válka) or Farewell Slavianka (Sbohem slovanky ....Youtube: r7avPl6jB5w). Your different point of wie is for sure caused by your age. Ask your mom how she liked Red army. Nobody in entire world cannot like occupation army. We dont liked Red army same like Russian dont liked German army and anyone who met occupation army will never like it. This is difference between me and you:) Bez urazky:)
@Marwin555 Marwin just look at the two following videos. It can explain why some Czechs older than 18 years have their opinion on Red army. Video1: wULqRhE9sQg Video2: shaF6yeffk8
@StargateNews I exactly know what you mean...I'm not a dumbas ;-) I saw a lot of documents, I don't love/like RED ARMY... I just have like their songs. thats all
@StargateNews Belive me as grandson of Russian peasant in Siberia, Whites were really white compering to red's! If Whites just shoot, reds will take lungs ouside of body, or cut fingers or just fire, all children women old people! Everybody, even peasants!
@gzee9zpvvv Yes, i heard the same stories about red army. But also same about cossacs in White army. For example people during my visit in Estonia talked about crimes of Reds in 40s and after war. It was in half of 20th century and Red army cutted out legs, hands, and other body parts from women, men and kids of common farmers because Estonia was not happy in Sojuz. Unbelievable. Same reports comming from Finland, Ukraine, no wonder some nations welcomed Germans like liberators.
@StargateNews Same in Romania. German occupation/allied troops were civilised and neat, while Soviet "liberation" army was just a band of unwashed barbarians who left us some solid language notions like "Davai cias!"(aprox spell) ("Give (me) (your) watch!"). Together with 46 years of comunist misery. +Difference between Whites and Reds was that Whites had usually noble/very educated officers which were replaced for Reds by brainwashed animals. Lowest ranks could have been similar on their own.
@StargateNews The fact is, that white armies were lesser evil. If I had been a leader of Great Britain or France, i would have destroyed communists before they could become any real threat. Sadly, this threat was ignored, allowing it to develop freely and resulting in death of nearly 50 millions of people. If the white armies had won the civil war, perhaps there would not have been communist regimes in eastern Europe (including Chechoslovakia) and our countries would be prosperous and rich now.
@Secunax It seems you are right just trying to tell that both options were bad for Russia, we know what Red caused, yes 50 million of deaths and terrible loses during ww2 were not cause as much by Germans as much by red diletans with Stalin as head of the chaos. Other option was return to medieval age under Tsar. It is crazy from Czech point of view and at same time Russians are so proud at their own mass murderers.
I guess I don't really understand the whole"monarchist" trend here on YouTube - have any o you even lived in such a system? I know I haven't, and I know that I'd never like to.
The democracy in my nation is imperfect enough as it is; I'd hate to be lorded over by men and women with no more qualifications than that blood which runs in their veins. At least we now can choose our fools and puppeteers.
Monarchism is the worst system out there. Death to monarchy!
Lenin at least tried to help Russia and gave up his wealth for his comrades, while Nicholas was a submissive coward only interested in sself-gain.
Lenin killed people for not sharing. Nick conscripted people into WWI just to defend his pride.
Also, if the bolshevics didn't take ove, Russia would be a poor, backwards shithole, instead of the powerful, moderately wealthy clusterfuck it is today.
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j : If Europe was still run by the Romanovs, Hohenzollerns, Hapsburgs, Savoys, Bourbons, Orleans and Windsors I don't think Muslims would be overruning the place, and if a Hapsburg was still Emperor of Mexico it wouldn't be a collapsing narco-state. Historically, nations that have overthrown and killed their annointed Sovereigns have paid a terrible and richky deserved price. God is not mocked.
Are muslims overrunning USA? Australia? Russia? Japan?
No!
What do they all have in common that stops this? Is it because they are run by some gold-encrusted inbred?
Again, No! One has been democratic for hundreds of years, one is even multicultural like Europe wants to be, but we do it right, one killed their filthy monarch family and another is very racist and racially proud.
It is dignity that keeps these nations strong, and kneeling before an inbred is no dignity.
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j :Jesus was a capitalist - nothing He said was Marxist in any way. Jesus taught INDIVIDUAL accountability & responsibility - never collective or communal. Jesus never advocated any tax or gov't program for any reason or need. Jesus never advocated an end to private property. Jesus criticized in His parable the servant who did NOT make a profit for his master. Tha values of charity, fairness, equality and mercy are Biblical, not socialist. Heaven is a KINGDOM - not a democracy.
No shit he didn't say anything marxist! If the bible predcted that capitalism would fall from THAT long ago, then capitalism would never have happened in christan nations and if they were right, I would be a christian.
Accountability and responsibility have nothing to do with socialism. It is just about sharing your stuff with those who need it and communism is the same there, but workers get more, because they deserve it.
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j The entire ancient world was capitalist. There were no Marxists back then, and socialism was an18th century construct arising out of the idiotic French revolution. As for sharing your stuff with those who need it -you're confusing socialism and communism with the Biblical values of charity and generosity. In practice, socialism is all about power, control, dependency, and the forced equality of outcomes through punitive, confiscatory taxation and redistribution of earnings.
Capitalism is where you get the wealth you create and use to get more wealth. How did your beloved inbreds earn all their power? That shit is NOT captalism. It's the twisted, corrupted paerent of a less flawed system.
Socialism is not about that shit. There are many libertarian societies that share and Jesus would have chosen the Menshevics or Bolshevics over the imperials, because they fit with biblical values far more than the inbreds.
What is wrong with my response to the muslim argument? You implied that leftism and democracy are the cause of the blacknecks wreaking Europe (it is, but indirectly) and I said that we don't need to kneel to a gold-encrusted to keep them out, we just need to retain our dignity - a task that the morons running Europe fail at - and I also implied that monarcy is contradictory to this and therefor will fuck your nation up, because the worship of a monarch has no dignity.
I don't know shit about Mexico, but have you ever heard the saying "Better to die on your feet than live on your knees."? Yeah. I would much rather a chainsaw execution after 5 years of living in Mexico with dignity and fighting druglords than after 50 years of working hard for some inbred across the oceon and blindly obeying his laws.
And the archduke thing was the trigger, not the cause.The inbreds wanted to prove their power for a long time and that was the excuse they needed.
He wanted to end cruelty, selfishness and war, not private property. He favored the poor worker over king and the rich man. He wanted people to be kind to each other and share with them out of their own accord. THAT is what makes him more a commie than an inbred-worshipper. Also, capitalism isn't just "I made it, ▲ it's mine.", it implies if you can make something yours through deals and claims, it is and this builds into an anti-worker system where the guy doing nothing gets more.
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j People sharing with each other of their own accord is capitalism and Biblical - not communist. Communism is governmental confiscation of everything & thern redistribution to insure universal dependency & submission -all disguised as "equality." Jesus favored the faithful regardless of their position. He cured the slave of the Imperial Centurion, and He was happy to enjoy the hospitality of the rich as He travelled. Jesus was concerned with the poor in spirit, not just the poor.
Oh and communism is not about any of that shit you said in post2. Yes it became that way in many of the world's failed attempts, but this distortion that is why those countries are not communist and in fact a corporate dictatorship - the exact opposite of communism.
By your logic everything is capitalist because everything you do is your own choice. In communism everybody shares of their own acord or because the PEOPLE force them to, because it is an anarchist system.
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j I agree with you completely on communism - it is founded on FORCE. The devil is in the details however - because the 'people' are defined as the PARTY. The class system never changes - it just wears different clothes. Communism replaces the sovereign, royals & peers with the dictator, politburo & aparatchiks. The fascists are smarter, and set up an oligarchy of the party, the military, & a carefully controlled corporate elite to generate the wealth needed to support the state.
It was founded to stop oppression. When it doesn't work as intended, like 20th century communism, it does become like your precious monarchy, I will agree there. But it is certainly not founded on force and force will not be used in true communism unless it is needed and for little things like not sharing grain and taking others' it will be enforced by the militia or villagers, not the possibly non-existant party.
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j Not founded on force? (!) What do you call the DICTATORSHIP of the proletariat? Not of the people mind you - but exclusively the lowest class. Forget the bourgeoisie & I guess you just murder the aristocrats & clergy. Having wet dreams about Pol Pot? How about "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." Translation: Be worked to death in return for bare subsistence. EXACTLY the operating principle of slavery. "True communism" is an impossible dream.
Coming from an american that creams his pants over the idea of having an inbred family getting most of the nation's wealth and bossing everybody around unchallenged?
Hitlarious!
Stop talking about communism bout how YOU want it to be. Dictatorship of the proletariot means that their freedom is to be unchallenged, not that their representitive is to dictate.
"Long live the King!" trans.: "Lets bury the king in mud so he fossilizes!"
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j You can play all the semantic games you want with the dictatorship of the proletariat -bottom line is tyranny. I admit having a warm spot in my heart for the House of Windsor - truly a "Middle-class Monarchy" in which the royals regularly marry (& breed with) commoners. Not so 'inbred' as you might think. They make far more money for Britain than they cost.
Obviously we're not getting anywhere here -we should adjourn to a good bar, share a pitcher of beer & chase hot women.
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Why would God let an imperfect creature run Heaven? Of course he would be running shit! It would either be a dictatorship of God or an anarchy, and the Bible implies the former.
A simple logic does not mean that God or Jesus would want such a system down here, and it is clearly frowned upon, probably because most humans cannot be trusted with dictatorship, especially their spoilt, retarded children.
Also, if you monarchists are so christian, why did you start WWI?
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j WW1 was caused by pan-Slavic nationalism & the murder of an Archduke who favored self-determination for his empire's peoples. Talk about biting the hand that intended to feed you. Go figure. FYI -Jesus IS God, it's not an 'or' thing. Notice my advocacy for monarchy was limited to the continent of Europe and also Mexico. As an American, I am happy with my republic, thank you. But Europe and Mexico are a complete mess now and I think the "Muslim Question" could be better handled.
in capitalism ypu can openly want to increase your economic level. the poor are eating dirt, the middle class live decent lives and high class waste money... but what happens in communism, theres mostly only a middle class that eats dirt and a hipocrite high class that live like kings but suppress rebelion with the lies that they are all equal. fidel castro currently resides in his presidential palace, the hoems average cubans live in are horrible, wheres the equality?
@Trillios tsarist russia had pretty good relationship with european countries, it already was "big". lenin, stalin and communism only destroyed them and the tension is still on. russia wouldn't be an aggressive, oppressing country like it is today if it had not been communist.
@MrTurpasauna that i will agree on, but lets look at the US for a brief sec. How many wars have they started in the last 10, well lets be fair and say 20..1..2...3..4 as i can count, Russia, 1... im sorry mate, i dont like the statistics, and could you say more about this "oppressing", and for the love of *insert something you like* dont call them communists, they where more like gangsterists, and may you tell me some more about this relation Czarist russia had
@Trillios Usa has not started those wars alone, it has almost always intervened like in korea, vietnam, the first iraq war... russia has taken lands and started wars for centuries, georgia was just a little clash. czars often had wives from europe and other relatives, that's why russia had so good relations with the british empire. the wife of the last czar of russia was german whose mother was the queen of britain.
@MrTurpasauna i see, but like the Afghan war and now libya they where what i would call a "death grip" when they stretch out and trys to grap something, and that something is oil.... they didnt give a shit about south africa, but they attacked libyans instead, around 1000-2000 civilians have been killed... do having a "external" Czar queen ended up being maybe what "lit the fire in petrograd" she was hated across Russia and you sure you can have good external relations but it dosent.....
@Trillios there is no oil in afghanistan, they only went there to take out the taliban and osama and they have somewhat completed the mission. and dont forget russia attacked afghanistan too... usa is not in the libya operation anymore. they only went there, shot some tomahawks to ground targets and left. the majority of civilians dead are killed by gaddafi's forces (that russia supported but not anymore). russia also supports syria and gives weapons to african countries, causing many wars.
@MrTurpasauna I agree, but the Afghan war was not by russia but the USSR, the only country i know that Russia has invaded is Georgia, and im sorry i messed up... oil is in Iran (or was it Iraq?) but still i agree russia is a bit "loose" weapon wise but still, i think communism is what made Russia great
@Trillios russia, ussr, who cares. it is still the same land with the same people. and yes, usa may have taken some oil from iraq but nothing that would really matter. they get the most oil from saudi-arabia that is their ally... and they have some oil in their own land too. they have propably lost more oil in the war there than they have ever gained it. i dont think communism made russia great. the civil war killed millions of people and ww2 too plus today they are paranoid about everything.
Personally, I wish the White-Army had won; Lenin didn't have the best interest of the people at heart. His brother had been executed for an assassination plot on Tsar Alexander, and it is likely Lenin just used Marxism as a cover for his own personal vendetta. During the Tsar's reign, people didn't have to fear for their lives like they did under the Boleshevik's. Stalin was even worse; even Lenin did not think he should come to power... and when Lenin died, the shit really hit the fan. :/
@EZBreezy187 How can you muster up the audacity to speak such vulgar lies about the Communist regime? The communist estate lead by Lenin was nothing short of a complete step in the right direction for all of mankind, the only thing that could possibly be said about the CCCP is that under the poor leadership of Gorbachev.
@EZBreezy187How can you muster up the audacity to speak such vulgar lies about the Communist regime? Other than this one man the CCCP had done nothing wrong, only right. The Leadership and Ideals of such men as Lenin and Stalin are unparalleled by any other leaders in our time, their rise to glory is not to be frowned upon my friend.
How about trying to improve the country, instead of going for a counter-revolution? Stop fighting for power, fighting to control who gets what, and trying to improve what's already there?
@kalamarnica Who will become the new monarch? There are two main options. The first would be to offer the throne to a descendant of the Romanov household or some other old Russian noble family. Another would be to call the Zemsky Sobor and proclaim a new dynasty like in 1613. Who would foot the bill ? Who foots the bill in a democratic country ?
I can't convince you, that monarchy is not the answer. Power corrupts. If from a tender age you are being convinced that you will be king - likelihood of you growing up to be a good king is not very good. History is full of such examples.
@kalamarnica On the contrary, someone who is born into power if far better at handling it than someone who rises to power from obscurity quickly. So the quote that "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is better applied to democratic politicians than hereditary monarchs. A monarch is prepared mentally to inherit great power and responsibility and is therefore better at handling it. A democratic politicians on the other hand often let power go to their head.
You are not exactly in a position to call others naive. You claimed that every 5-7 years Russia had a famine which was large enough to have killed millions of people. However ignoring that previous statement, exactly how is it naive to assume that someone who has been well prepared to inherit political power will be able to do a better job of handling it than some upstart charlatan whose only right to power is that he won a popularity contest. Realists have traditionally been pro-monarchy.
@meiscoolize Do you hate commies, becasue they want more justice? Becasue for them are thing more valuable then moneys? Now go sell your family, arabian king want pay 5 000 000$ , you capitalist.
@MrKrzywyBanan okay they destory kings and empires and i hate them how about in south america twats like u are killing people for fun and in russia this happened its digusting and sprataists they always do it by force!
Why don't you have the balls to admit that you're no different from the "captialist" you hate so much? Honesty is a nice virtue. Frankly, communism feels like a religion, they can never reason.
@SlypherSpoons Yes.. MORE, more than capitalists - indian, brazilian workers have 100$ per month. In monarchy and capitalism are people less valuable then dogs - they can survive for their money, they can not life like normal people. And there are masters, nobles, rich people who has more laws pnly because they are rich. Commies want - everyone people have same life condition, here are not rich, and here are not poor.
communists' definition of "justice" is a mass grave. they murder anyone who disagrees with them even slightly, even within their own party. let me ask you this- why do you hate people for what class they are born into? A person does not control if his parents or grandparents are "bourgeiosie" or "proletariat", anymore than a person controls what country they're born in.
@Bmanstudios101 Our best aristocrats (Ekaterina II, Elizaveta Fedorovna & Alexandra Fedorovna (from Darmshtadt) were the Germans. You need not sorry. This germans are the glory if Russia!
I am a staunch Royalist & absolutely on the side of the Romanovs.I used to live in the bolshy left wing town of Ipswich in England,Talk about vicious,spiteful,
evil,wicked liars-the left wing do gooders.Ipswich was so fond of stalin back in the 1940s & 50s they even got a present from son of a bitch Stalin-he sent his soviet engineers & workers over to Ipswich to build an underground railway system exactly like the one in Moscow.Last but not least,leftists ruined my life ,I had to leave England.
the Romanovs were heroes, they fought the Communists before anyone else did, the world would be so much better if the White Army had won the Civil War...God save the Tsar!
@TheTollundWoman If the white army had defeated the Communists, then you and your familly would yet be illiterate farmers,somewhere in the Urals, starving to death,trying to pay the Royal taxes for the Imperial familly,so that they could continue living their luxurious life,without working...Tsars,kings,princes,aristocrats,are nothing else than parasites,living by the work of the lower classes....
No, if the White Army had won, the 5 million Russians who starved to death during "war communism" would have died of old age, the 60 million Russians who were murdered in the GULag would have died of natural causes, many of the over 20 million Russians who died in ww2 wouldn't have died because Stalin wouldn't have purged Russia's best military experts. Plus if the White Army had won, Korea would never have been divided against the will of its people
Great Leaders, Dear Leaders, Politburos, Chairmans, are nothing but parasites living by the work of the Kulaks and "hostile class". Communist cadres hold banquets in the middle of famines. I hate the idea of an absolute monarchy, but Tsar Nicholas II gave his life for freedom and he is a hero! So again I say: God Save the Tsar
Gave his life for freedom? Whose freedom? How is he a hero? He was not a bad man, but he was not fit to be czar. Because if he was, he wouldn't have lost his throne, and Russia would not have undergone a civil war.
@kalamarnica Well actually the 98.6% growth in Russia's economy was between 1898 and 1913 so 15 years is more accurate. In comparison Germany's economy grew at a rate 84.2% during those years. Very good, but Russia was growing at a faster rate. Since you mention steel production, Russia's pig iron production rose by 100% during those years. Many German politicians were concerned about Russia's rapid industrialization, paticurarly between 1906-1913.
Also you claim that Russia had major famines every 5-7 years which killed millions of people. To put it delicately, your claim is extravagant fiction at best. The last major famine in the Russian Empire was in 1891, and it did not kill close to a million people. Before that the last major famine was 1603 ! Also I should mention that between the late 1870's and 1906 the mortality rate greatly fell. Why would that happen if so many people were dying from starvation ?
Because they were not counted. Those who died were little children. Infant mortality rate was 250 per 1000 born, before the baby turned one year old. How many survived till 16? Fewer still. Mortality rate (without those infants) was ~30 per 1000.
@kalamarnica The overall mortality rate was not neither 30 per 1000 nor was the mortality rate 250 per 1000 born. The overall mortality rate was 27 per 1000 at most but it was probably closer to 25 per 1000, and it was rapidly declining due to constant improvement of Russian medicine. Infant mortality was 247 per 100 at most. So to say the least you are inflating the statistics to suit your needs. Also your claim that people "were not counted" is not very convincing to say the least.
Oh, and if all people were counted, why is there discrepancies over the size of population? Figures for 1914 very from 160 to 185 million. That is quite a lot of variation - ~14%.
I am not saying the situation was not improving. Revolution did a great blow to the country. But the only reason you say that without revolution things would have been better, is because you want to believe it. You have no proof of it - it didnt come to be
@kalamarnica I would like to ask the very question to you. Where did you get your statistics ? I get mine from official statistics between 1855-1914. Russia had a population of 160 million in 1910 and near 168 million in 1914. So you have yet to prove how the 1906 famine killed millions of people. If the revolution did not happen we could be for sure what the present would be like today, however judging by what we know, chances it be superior to the world we live today.
I get my statistics from all kinds of encyclopedias, both russian and western.
I said that famines killed millions of people in Imperial Russia, not that famine of 1906 alone killed millions.
I don't think that it would be superior to the world today. No industrialization - no modern war machine - war with the west - defeat and exploitation. February revolution of 1917 was praised in England and France as "one of the war goals achieved" after all.
@kalamarnica If we were perhaps to put all the famines in Russia from 1721 to 1917 together, then perhaps we would be able to somewhere near million people dead. However you claimed that every 5-7 years Russia had a famine which was large enough to have killed millions of people. This claim has no evidence and can only be regarded as absurd.
@kalamarnica I have provided reasons to why Russia would be better if it had remained a monarchy. However you have not provided anything to support your claim that every 5-7 years Russia had a famine which was large enough to have killed millions of people. However to your credit in your last comment you have conceded that claim is absurd.
@kalamarnica The lives of countless people would have been saved because the Marxist ideology would have never came to power in Russia. Communism would have never been able gain prominence without the success of the Russian revolution. Russia would not be faced with the demographic crisis that it is faced with today. The drunkard Boris Yeltsin would have never come to power either. Many of Russia's problems today are a result of the 1917 revolutions.
No industrialization ? Between 1860 and 1913 there was great industrialization ! For example in 1913 coal production was 120 times greater than in 1860. Under Nicholas II alone the railway network grew 57% ! So this claim that Russia would have been unindustrialized had it not been for the revolution is completely untrue.
The fact that the English and the French governments praised the February Revolution is not evidence of the revolutions moral superiority but rather the treachery of those governments. Especially that of Clemenceau. It is mostly due to the Russian army that the Schlieffen plan failed and that the Germans lost the Battle of Verdun. Complete treachery on his behalf. David Lloyd George is also an interesting case. He wanted to hang Kaiser Willhelm II but he admired Hitler.
Oh, please! Don't just give such abstract numbers. How much did coal production grow in Germany or England in the same period? How much is 120 times? Is it enough? My bank account grew 120 times in the past month - from 10 to 1200 dollars. (That is an example).
In 1913 Russia produced 9.4 million ton of steel and iron. Germany made 35 million, Britain 17 million. In 1900, numbers for Russia and Germany were ~5 and ~10 million. So, who had greater growth?
Very well since you would like more specific numbers I will give you them. In 1860 the coal production was 121,000 tons. In 1900 the coal production was 12,000,000 tons. In 1916 it was 34,500,000 tons. It is difficult to objectively compare Russia's economic growth to that of Western Europe for one simple reason. Industrialization in Western Europe began in the 1840s while in Russia it began in the late 1860s.
This is because Russia had to undergo a transition from an agrarian economy to an industrial one. If the government had abolished serfdom right away the economy would have collapsed. Also important questions such as land redistribution had to be answered first. Even when Alexander II abolished serfdom it had some negative economic consequences because Russia was not fully ready to make that transition. So Russian industrialization began considerably later than that of Germany per say.
If the October Revolution did not happen, then what happened in the 90s would have happened back than. Do you agree, that people who came to power after February were same as those who were in power in the 90's?
Look, what I am trying to say, is that there is no black and white. All sides are a little bit different shade of gray. We know of the tragedies that happened during communist era. We will never know of the tragedies that could have happened without it.
@kalamarnica I never said that I supported Kerensky. On the contrary I consider those who participated in the February Revolution to have committed a serious act of treason against the Russian State. That is why in my previous comment I have condemned the 1917 revolutions, not just the October revolution. Nor do I claim that everything is black and white. As a strong believer in Realism such a view is foreign to me.
If I had your faith (and it is exactly that - faith), that monarchy would have been better - than I would too.
But I don't. I prefer not to spit on the graves of the people who died long before I was borne. They are dead - they cannot care anymore. Only the living care.
As much as I like alternative history - I live in the here and now. Instead of reminiscing about the past, I prefer to shape the future, as much as I can.
@kalamarnica The famine of 1906 is generally considered so insignificant that historians rarely ever mention it. It certainly did not kill " millions of people" as you previously claimed. There was also a minor famine in Russia in 2010. It also did not kill millions of people. There is NO evidence that the 1906 famine killed anywhere near a million people. And to claim that it did kill "millions" is mythology at best.
@TheTollundWoman ☭☭☭ Russia lost WW1 cuz the Tsar wanted all the power all for himself! He failed to industrialize and modernize his country. Stalin (peace and blessings be upon him) had to do it!
How you can support totalitarian dictatorship? Monarchy = dictatorship!
Monarchy is dictatorship? Really? Then why do you support the world's last Absolute Monarchy, namely, Kim Jong Il's regime in North Korea, which wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Comrade Stalin's support?? You are not against monarchy. you are just against one of the few monarchs in history, Nicholas II, who was actually on the right side of history. Even Marx acknowledged, it was the bourgeiosie, not the "proletariat" that led the French Revolution and overthrew Louis XVI!
Yeah, Stalin "modernized" his country...using slave labor. some accomplishment. and very funny, you say "peace be upon him" as if he were a Prophet? Hitchens is right, Communists are just as bad as religious fanatics!
Your "workers' paradise" is no more "real" than the 72 virgins or the land of milk and honey. A few months ago the Christian Fundamentalists were predicting the Rapture. And remember how it never happened? Thats how the "triumph of communism" seems to rational people. You've been predicting the end of capitalism for two centuries now, just like the "Jesus freaks" predicting the rapture. and you're just as wrong now as you were in 1848
All the Communist dictators of the 20th century attempted to turn themselves into subjects of mass worship and fanatical devotion, as if instead of heads of state they were saints or "shahids." According to Communist propaganda Kim Il Sung is not really dead, he is just waiting to be resurrected like Jesus. Leader-worship is the opium of the masses.
@RedUnity You have it all wrong. Russia lost WW1 because Stolypin was assassinated in 1911 and replaced with a far less spectacular Prime Minister, who never enjoyed as much trust with the Tsar. In three more years, he would have modernized Russia to the point it would have done much better in the war.
Of course, if he had really had his way, they would not have entered the war. He knew he needed more years of peace to modernize and develop the country.
@JamesDestry1 "Not perfect" doesn't cut it. Stood idle as his own people were massacred by his army during peaceful demonstrations. He was guilty of criminal neglect.
with the great achievments in todays science one day we can recreate lenin clones from his dna and soviet russia will rise again такая жыццё, нічога не зробіш.
I want a black two headed chicken! (jk, jk)
I'm a fool for all the heraldry and crests and fantastic creatures
vader6972 1 week ago
Is this a tsarist version or a Red version?
BytheBeardofYmir 1 week ago
the czar is an dictator lenin and trosky are HERO'S!!
The communism is Good .Long life to the communisme!!
gag78950 1 week ago
What is the name of the song playing on the intro? Thanks!
Geralth6 1 month ago
The Partisans march is the best I never get tired of listening to it
Reindeer783 1 month ago in playlist russian military marches
Поздрав православна браћо Руси из братске вам Србије....Greetings from Serbia our orthodox brothers...
MilanNedicSerbia 1 month ago
well that was the Tsar's family, the Orthodox Church declared holy.Lenin and Stalin burn in hell.
fantomx21 1 month ago
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fantomx21 1 month ago
Honour and glory of the Czar and his family! death of the Bolshevik traitors!
fantomx21 2 months ago
@fantomx21
His Majesty Nicholas II was a hero, he sacrificed his life trying to save his country from dictatorship. Had the White Army been victorious in the civil war, not only would Russia have been spared decades of tyranny, but nations around the world could've remained free from oppression. Unfortunately even today millions of people are still suffering under communism.
TheTollundWoman 1 month ago
Poor eastern Europe, which suffered because of stalinists, and poor, poor Russia, rodina-mat', you have borne both imperial dictatorship and soviet totalitarianism, and right now capitalism and corruption are killing you. If things keep on going that bad, I fear that everything that will remain of you will be those badass tsarist/soviet musics on which so many people usually rant.
Pavell54 2 months ago
Lol
agillmer 2 months ago
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agillmer 2 months ago
Kim Jong Il is dead, Communism is dying
The White Army lost the battle but they have won the war!
Long live the honorable memory of His Majesty Nicholas II, he was a hero for fighting so valiantly to save his country from dictatorship.
TheTollundWoman 2 months ago
Both Tsarist and Red Army versions are beautiful.
FreeRoosterGR 2 months ago
best part 4:01>> to end ;-)
Marwin555 3 months ago
This march is really good, its too bad that the lyrics sucks ass
pheonixmon1 3 months ago
this is partizan!! not white armu music!
1923Turkov 3 months ago
i personally preferred the red choir version
4d616c65737469636b 3 months ago
Tack så mycket från Ryssland! : )
SEWENN7 4 months ago
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White army, Black Baron! Monarchists have no place in this world!
powerpunch180 4 months ago
buthurt because u lost teh Tsar?
CylonAndrew 4 months ago
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You are crazy guys. U praise white side that was absolutely not a light side. I am Czech and Czech legions were in middle of events of civil war or Russia. Our 50 000 soldiers conquered half of Siberia from Volga river up to Irkutsk. We smashed Red army and if needed also white troops. The reason was that both sides behave in their won country like evil dogs. Both sides were mass murderers of their own people. Thousends of villages and towns were annihilated. No White nor Red side was option.
StargateNews 4 months ago 27
@StargateNews Yeah the Czech Legion. They were socialists and during the war they hindered the movement of white troops and supplies and in the end to save their own skins they sold Admiral Kolchak to the Reds so they could get a train to Vladivostock. They were traitors to cause they pledged themselves to and for that I almost respect the Reds more at least they knew what side they were on.
DrKorn5 4 months ago
@DrKorn5 This is a Russian fairytale. Czech troops were under French command, the giving Kolchak came from allies and Reds guaranteed his safety. Traitors? Lol. Purpose of Czech legions was fight against Germans in ww1 on Russian front. It were Reds who traited us and who sold us to Germans in exchange for peace. It were also White who traited entire nation as they behaved like beasts in own country. Our reason to stay in war ended with end of ww1. Blame Whites from lost not Czechs:).
StargateNews 4 months ago 20
@StargateNews Half of Siberia?! And you blame others that they are crazy.:) Czech troops controled a few Siberian rail stations and towns - and only as long as there were no proper Russian troops around. What do you expect from twice traitors? Thet were good in looting and mass executions and torturing - but not quite on the front line. Following their withdrawal they left very bad memories - unless oyu are absolutely mad you can't be proud about this page of your history.
Trinadtsatyi 3 months ago
@Trinadtsatyi According you the "proper Russian troops" were not "around" for 2 years what was time we hold the Siberia:). (1918-1920). For example i saw a documentary movie where was described how White cossacs captured 900 red prisoners. 1/3 was shooted, 1/3 boiled and rest drowned in river. Czech officers sent official protest note against these cruelties to Kolchak who totally ignored it. It is Russia and your history who ignore value of human life.
StargateNews 3 months ago
@StargateNews And I saw documents about the crimes commited by the "Legioners". Don't you understand that you like a baby swallowed what was chosen for you by the movie director? Yeh, all committed crimes, not only Czechs - but Czechs comitted them to Russians. So why are you surprised that those who saw them were not fond of Czechs? A regards 2 years (actually, 1.5) - most of this time they were the allies of the Whites obeying the orders of Kolchak. Then Czechs betrayed him and fleed away.
Trinadtsatyi 3 months ago
@Trinadtsatyi Hello, i am trying to debate about the problem and my point is definitely not to effend anyone. Just wishint to tell that Red side was praised entire last century by soviet regime, now the White side is praised by new Russia and both versions are wrong. Truth lies somewhere in the middle and both sides were pretty cruel. Concerning Czech troops: parcicipation in your civil war was not reason they were created but here is no space for this talk due lack of space. Greetings to Russia
StargateNews 3 months ago 2
@StargateNews We already have monuments to all who died in the Civil War - it was a tragedy. The Reds were however by far more cruel. I know the history of Czech troops. But you claimed that they "controlled half of Siberia"! The reality was quite different - they fought under Kolchak's command (quite well - given that the "Red troops" were initially 90% ex-POW Germans and Hungarians I thank them for that) but committed crimes and then betrayed Kolchak and left home. Greetings to Czechia:)
Trinadtsatyi 3 months ago
@StargateNews How can you fight the evil? Communists killed priests destroyed churches . What did you expect from the real Russian army to behave? We Greeks say about a man without honor ''He has no God!'' in Greek ''Δεν έχει το Θεό του!''
ARISFRVR1 3 months ago
@StargateNews wtf are tyou tlaking about. Red amry killed nobody and wtf did Czechs evils were doing in siberia. WTF? are you stupid. you dont know what yout talkign about, Red army saved their people from the dogs.Whites killed the people. STFU
XxPhoenixHarpyexX2 3 months ago
@XxPhoenixHarpyexX2 As i am Czech i can mention two next dates when we met Red army. 1945 when they liberated part of CZ from Germans. Whey were welcomed by people as true heroes. No matter usual behaving was stealing, thefts, murders and raping. I remember how my granddad described situation from Prague how Russian officer shooted 2 his soldiers who attempted to rape girl on street. It was in friendly country. In 1968 red army guys has no problem to shoot 18 years old girls and boys in Prague.
StargateNews 3 months ago
@StargateNews that makes more sense BUT
you are as well a liar. Red army would never shoot children. when ill you realize that ANY army in the world from ANy race or country will commit crimes and rapes and tyranny? what is america doing in afghanistan? arent they killing children too? why are you so stupid and brainwashed? this is war, get over it, it wasnt meant to be pink with shooting rainbows!
perhaps it would have been better to have let you conquered by Hitler and his holocausts maybe?
XxPhoenixHarpyexX2 3 months ago
@XxPhoenixHarpyexX2 I never told american troops are better:) However your argument in war everything is allowed is poor excuse of beasts. There are still men who simply act like a men even in bad cirscumstances of war.
StargateNews 3 months ago
@StargateNews well then realize what i just told you, all countries in all wars were fought wrong & bad. all wars had rapes & crimes. why are u bashing the leftists? it wasnt the crimes of soviets, but the crimes of unholy humanity. it is not the ideologies and politics that makes war and crimes, it is the unholy creatures that uses it behind an unholy act with an unholy motivated intention. Communism, capitalism, nazism...there are all the same, its our leaders that are faulty.
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Marwin555 3 months ago
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@StargateNews I'm from CZ rep. too.... I'm 18 yrs old and probably that's why I don't feel disgust to SSSR or Красная Армия I don't care about it... I just don't care that theese songs are sung to glory CCCP...... I mean - for me it's fantastic, magical music like Mozart or something like this. AND I THINK THAT POLEMIC ABOUT WHICH ARMY WAS WORST IS NO SENCE!! basically all armies are bad ;-) (imho)
Marwin555 3 months ago
@Marwin555
No doubt russian songs are pretty impressive. My favourite are Sacred war (Svatá válka) or Farewell Slavianka (Sbohem slovanky ....Youtube: r7avPl6jB5w). Your different point of wie is for sure caused by your age. Ask your mom how she liked Red army. Nobody in entire world cannot like occupation army. We dont liked Red army same like Russian dont liked German army and anyone who met occupation army will never like it. This is difference between me and you:) Bez urazky:)
StargateNews 2 months ago 8
@Marwin555 Marwin just look at the two following videos. It can explain why some Czechs older than 18 years have their opinion on Red army. Video1: wULqRhE9sQg Video2: shaF6yeffk8
StargateNews 2 months ago
@StargateNews I exactly know what you mean...I'm not a dumbas ;-) I saw a lot of documents, I don't love/like RED ARMY... I just have like their songs. thats all
Marwin555 2 months ago
@StargateNews btw oba 2 songy mám ve veliké úctě ;-)
Marwin555 2 months ago
@StargateNews Belive me as grandson of Russian peasant in Siberia, Whites were really white compering to red's! If Whites just shoot, reds will take lungs ouside of body, or cut fingers or just fire, all children women old people! Everybody, even peasants!
gzee9zpvvv 2 months ago
@gzee9zpvvv Yes, i heard the same stories about red army. But also same about cossacs in White army. For example people during my visit in Estonia talked about crimes of Reds in 40s and after war. It was in half of 20th century and Red army cutted out legs, hands, and other body parts from women, men and kids of common farmers because Estonia was not happy in Sojuz. Unbelievable. Same reports comming from Finland, Ukraine, no wonder some nations welcomed Germans like liberators.
StargateNews 2 months ago
@StargateNews Same in Romania. German occupation/allied troops were civilised and neat, while Soviet "liberation" army was just a band of unwashed barbarians who left us some solid language notions like "Davai cias!"(aprox spell) ("Give (me) (your) watch!"). Together with 46 years of comunist misery. +Difference between Whites and Reds was that Whites had usually noble/very educated officers which were replaced for Reds by brainwashed animals. Lowest ranks could have been similar on their own.
maddahy 2 months ago
@StargateNews The fact is, that white armies were lesser evil. If I had been a leader of Great Britain or France, i would have destroyed communists before they could become any real threat. Sadly, this threat was ignored, allowing it to develop freely and resulting in death of nearly 50 millions of people. If the white armies had won the civil war, perhaps there would not have been communist regimes in eastern Europe (including Chechoslovakia) and our countries would be prosperous and rich now.
Secunax 2 months ago
@Secunax It seems you are right just trying to tell that both options were bad for Russia, we know what Red caused, yes 50 million of deaths and terrible loses during ww2 were not cause as much by Germans as much by red diletans with Stalin as head of the chaos. Other option was return to medieval age under Tsar. It is crazy from Czech point of view and at same time Russians are so proud at their own mass murderers.
StargateNews 2 months ago
I guess I don't really understand the whole"monarchist" trend here on YouTube - have any o you even lived in such a system? I know I haven't, and I know that I'd never like to.
The democracy in my nation is imperfect enough as it is; I'd hate to be lorded over by men and women with no more qualifications than that blood which runs in their veins. At least we now can choose our fools and puppeteers.
Ryanfarrick 4 months ago
What the fuck?
Monarchism is the worst system out there. Death to monarchy!
Lenin at least tried to help Russia and gave up his wealth for his comrades, while Nicholas was a submissive coward only interested in sself-gain.
Lenin killed people for not sharing. Nick conscripted people into WWI just to defend his pride.
Also, if the bolshevics didn't take ove, Russia would be a poor, backwards shithole, instead of the powerful, moderately wealthy clusterfuck it is today.
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 4 months ago
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j : If Europe was still run by the Romanovs, Hohenzollerns, Hapsburgs, Savoys, Bourbons, Orleans and Windsors I don't think Muslims would be overruning the place, and if a Hapsburg was still Emperor of Mexico it wouldn't be a collapsing narco-state. Historically, nations that have overthrown and killed their annointed Sovereigns have paid a terrible and richky deserved price. God is not mocked.
horselips 4 months ago 2
@horselips
Are muslims overrunning USA? Australia? Russia? Japan?
No!
What do they all have in common that stops this? Is it because they are run by some gold-encrusted inbred?
Again, No! One has been democratic for hundreds of years, one is even multicultural like Europe wants to be, but we do it right, one killed their filthy monarch family and another is very racist and racially proud.
It is dignity that keeps these nations strong, and kneeling before an inbred is no dignity.
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
Oh and also, Jesus' phlosiphies are very much communist and anti-monarchy. God has wanted the monarchies gone for over 1900 years.
Deal with it!
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j :Jesus was a capitalist - nothing He said was Marxist in any way. Jesus taught INDIVIDUAL accountability & responsibility - never collective or communal. Jesus never advocated any tax or gov't program for any reason or need. Jesus never advocated an end to private property. Jesus criticized in His parable the servant who did NOT make a profit for his master. Tha values of charity, fairness, equality and mercy are Biblical, not socialist. Heaven is a KINGDOM - not a democracy.
horselips 3 months ago
@horselips
No shit he didn't say anything marxist! If the bible predcted that capitalism would fall from THAT long ago, then capitalism would never have happened in christan nations and if they were right, I would be a christian.
Accountability and responsibility have nothing to do with socialism. It is just about sharing your stuff with those who need it and communism is the same there, but workers get more, because they deserve it.
to be continued...
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j The entire ancient world was capitalist. There were no Marxists back then, and socialism was an18th century construct arising out of the idiotic French revolution. As for sharing your stuff with those who need it -you're confusing socialism and communism with the Biblical values of charity and generosity. In practice, socialism is all about power, control, dependency, and the forced equality of outcomes through punitive, confiscatory taxation and redistribution of earnings.
horselips 3 months ago
@horselips
Tribes were socialist amongst themselves.
Capitalism is where you get the wealth you create and use to get more wealth. How did your beloved inbreds earn all their power? That shit is NOT captalism. It's the twisted, corrupted paerent of a less flawed system.
Socialism is not about that shit. There are many libertarian societies that share and Jesus would have chosen the Menshevics or Bolshevics over the imperials, because they fit with biblical values far more than the inbreds.
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@horselips
What is wrong with my response to the muslim argument? You implied that leftism and democracy are the cause of the blacknecks wreaking Europe (it is, but indirectly) and I said that we don't need to kneel to a gold-encrusted to keep them out, we just need to retain our dignity - a task that the morons running Europe fail at - and I also implied that monarcy is contradictory to this and therefor will fuck your nation up, because the worship of a monarch has no dignity.
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@horselips
I don't know shit about Mexico, but have you ever heard the saying "Better to die on your feet than live on your knees."? Yeah. I would much rather a chainsaw execution after 5 years of living in Mexico with dignity and fighting druglords than after 50 years of working hard for some inbred across the oceon and blindly obeying his laws.
And the archduke thing was the trigger, not the cause.The inbreds wanted to prove their power for a long time and that was the excuse they needed.
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@horselips
He wanted to end cruelty, selfishness and war, not private property. He favored the poor worker over king and the rich man. He wanted people to be kind to each other and share with them out of their own accord. THAT is what makes him more a commie than an inbred-worshipper. Also, capitalism isn't just "I made it, ▲ it's mine.", it implies if you can make something yours through deals and claims, it is and this builds into an anti-worker system where the guy doing nothing gets more.
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j People sharing with each other of their own accord is capitalism and Biblical - not communist. Communism is governmental confiscation of everything & thern redistribution to insure universal dependency & submission -all disguised as "equality." Jesus favored the faithful regardless of their position. He cured the slave of the Imperial Centurion, and He was happy to enjoy the hospitality of the rich as He travelled. Jesus was concerned with the poor in spirit, not just the poor.
horselips 3 months ago
@horselips
Oh and communism is not about any of that shit you said in post2. Yes it became that way in many of the world's failed attempts, but this distortion that is why those countries are not communist and in fact a corporate dictatorship - the exact opposite of communism.
By your logic everything is capitalist because everything you do is your own choice. In communism everybody shares of their own acord or because the PEOPLE force them to, because it is an anarchist system.
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j I agree with you completely on communism - it is founded on FORCE. The devil is in the details however - because the 'people' are defined as the PARTY. The class system never changes - it just wears different clothes. Communism replaces the sovereign, royals & peers with the dictator, politburo & aparatchiks. The fascists are smarter, and set up an oligarchy of the party, the military, & a carefully controlled corporate elite to generate the wealth needed to support the state.
horselips 3 months ago
@horselips
I didn't say that.
It was founded to stop oppression. When it doesn't work as intended, like 20th century communism, it does become like your precious monarchy, I will agree there. But it is certainly not founded on force and force will not be used in true communism unless it is needed and for little things like not sharing grain and taking others' it will be enforced by the militia or villagers, not the possibly non-existant party.
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j Not founded on force? (!) What do you call the DICTATORSHIP of the proletariat? Not of the people mind you - but exclusively the lowest class. Forget the bourgeoisie & I guess you just murder the aristocrats & clergy. Having wet dreams about Pol Pot? How about "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." Translation: Be worked to death in return for bare subsistence. EXACTLY the operating principle of slavery. "True communism" is an impossible dream.
horselips 3 months ago
@horselips
Coming from an american that creams his pants over the idea of having an inbred family getting most of the nation's wealth and bossing everybody around unchallenged?
Hitlarious!
Stop talking about communism bout how YOU want it to be. Dictatorship of the proletariot means that their freedom is to be unchallenged, not that their representitive is to dictate.
"Long live the King!" trans.: "Lets bury the king in mud so he fossilizes!"
See? I can do it too.
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j You can play all the semantic games you want with the dictatorship of the proletariat -bottom line is tyranny. I admit having a warm spot in my heart for the House of Windsor - truly a "Middle-class Monarchy" in which the royals regularly marry (& breed with) commoners. Not so 'inbred' as you might think. They make far more money for Britain than they cost.
Obviously we're not getting anywhere here -we should adjourn to a good bar, share a pitcher of beer & chase hot women.
horselips 3 months ago
@horselips
Good idea!
Shall we go here?
youtube.com/watch?v=bSHo9RCgn6Y
I hope you like Irland.
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j Looks ideal for great conversation and comraderie (eh comrade!), but after wards, we should hop a plane and go here: (Search on YouTube for: Rehab Pool Party Hard Rock Hotel 2011 - Las Vegas Pool Parties - VIP Entry & Cabanas
horselips 3 months ago
@horselips
Hell yes!
See you there, bro.
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@horselips
And one more.
Why would God let an imperfect creature run Heaven? Of course he would be running shit! It would either be a dictatorship of God or an anarchy, and the Bible implies the former.
A simple logic does not mean that God or Jesus would want such a system down here, and it is clearly frowned upon, probably because most humans cannot be trusted with dictatorship, especially their spoilt, retarded children.
Also, if you monarchists are so christian, why did you start WWI?
ytdcfjhvjvp0j 3 months ago
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j WW1 was caused by pan-Slavic nationalism & the murder of an Archduke who favored self-determination for his empire's peoples. Talk about biting the hand that intended to feed you. Go figure. FYI -Jesus IS God, it's not an 'or' thing. Notice my advocacy for monarchy was limited to the continent of Europe and also Mexico. As an American, I am happy with my republic, thank you. But Europe and Mexico are a complete mess now and I think the "Muslim Question" could be better handled.
horselips 3 months ago
@ytdcfjhvjvp0j I suppose getting millions of Russians killed sounds as help to some people.
Vengrence 4 months ago
in capitalism ypu can openly want to increase your economic level. the poor are eating dirt, the middle class live decent lives and high class waste money... but what happens in communism, theres mostly only a middle class that eats dirt and a hipocrite high class that live like kings but suppress rebelion with the lies that they are all equal. fidel castro currently resides in his presidential palace, the hoems average cubans live in are horrible, wheres the equality?
MHJforPrussia 4 months ago
Communism made russia a shitty land
MrTurpasauna 4 months ago
@MrTurpasauna ehm, to qoute churchill, Stalin started of with plows and left with nuclear weapons
Trillios 4 months ago
@Trillios (that were stolen from the west like everything else).
MrTurpasauna 4 months ago
@MrTurpasauna that i agree on haha, but seriously Stalin made Russia "big" else they would look like china at the moment
Trillios 4 months ago
@Trillios tsarist russia had pretty good relationship with european countries, it already was "big". lenin, stalin and communism only destroyed them and the tension is still on. russia wouldn't be an aggressive, oppressing country like it is today if it had not been communist.
MrTurpasauna 4 months ago
@MrTurpasauna that i will agree on, but lets look at the US for a brief sec. How many wars have they started in the last 10, well lets be fair and say 20..1..2...3..4 as i can count, Russia, 1... im sorry mate, i dont like the statistics, and could you say more about this "oppressing", and for the love of *insert something you like* dont call them communists, they where more like gangsterists, and may you tell me some more about this relation Czarist russia had
Trillios 4 months ago
@Trillios Usa has not started those wars alone, it has almost always intervened like in korea, vietnam, the first iraq war... russia has taken lands and started wars for centuries, georgia was just a little clash. czars often had wives from europe and other relatives, that's why russia had so good relations with the british empire. the wife of the last czar of russia was german whose mother was the queen of britain.
MrTurpasauna 4 months ago
@MrTurpasauna i see, but like the Afghan war and now libya they where what i would call a "death grip" when they stretch out and trys to grap something, and that something is oil.... they didnt give a shit about south africa, but they attacked libyans instead, around 1000-2000 civilians have been killed... do having a "external" Czar queen ended up being maybe what "lit the fire in petrograd" she was hated across Russia and you sure you can have good external relations but it dosent.....
Trillios 4 months ago
@Trillios ...help if you internal relations suck
Trillios 4 months ago
@Trillios there is no oil in afghanistan, they only went there to take out the taliban and osama and they have somewhat completed the mission. and dont forget russia attacked afghanistan too... usa is not in the libya operation anymore. they only went there, shot some tomahawks to ground targets and left. the majority of civilians dead are killed by gaddafi's forces (that russia supported but not anymore). russia also supports syria and gives weapons to african countries, causing many wars.
MrTurpasauna 4 months ago
@MrTurpasauna I agree, but the Afghan war was not by russia but the USSR, the only country i know that Russia has invaded is Georgia, and im sorry i messed up... oil is in Iran (or was it Iraq?) but still i agree russia is a bit "loose" weapon wise but still, i think communism is what made Russia great
Trillios 4 months ago
@Trillios russia, ussr, who cares. it is still the same land with the same people. and yes, usa may have taken some oil from iraq but nothing that would really matter. they get the most oil from saudi-arabia that is their ally... and they have some oil in their own land too. they have propably lost more oil in the war there than they have ever gained it. i dont think communism made russia great. the civil war killed millions of people and ww2 too plus today they are paranoid about everything.
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Personally, I wish the White-Army had won; Lenin didn't have the best interest of the people at heart. His brother had been executed for an assassination plot on Tsar Alexander, and it is likely Lenin just used Marxism as a cover for his own personal vendetta. During the Tsar's reign, people didn't have to fear for their lives like they did under the Boleshevik's. Stalin was even worse; even Lenin did not think he should come to power... and when Lenin died, the shit really hit the fan. :/
EZBreezy187 5 months ago 11
@EZBreezy187 How can you muster up the audacity to speak such vulgar lies about the Communist regime? The communist estate lead by Lenin was nothing short of a complete step in the right direction for all of mankind, the only thing that could possibly be said about the CCCP is that under the poor leadership of Gorbachev.
TheLastRealCommunist 3 months ago
@EZBreezy187How can you muster up the audacity to speak such vulgar lies about the Communist regime? Other than this one man the CCCP had done nothing wrong, only right. The Leadership and Ideals of such men as Lenin and Stalin are unparalleled by any other leaders in our time, their rise to glory is not to be frowned upon my friend.
TheLastRealCommunist 3 months ago
The Tsar got the bullet he deserved.
agnosticnixie 5 months ago
As a German, I am deeply sorry we installed Lenin back into your country. I wish it would never of happened. Long live the monarchies of the old!
Bmanstudios101 6 months ago 31
@Bmanstudios101 Monarchists shouldn't fight over the errors of 1914-1918, but rather unite for the common counter-revolutionary cause.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
How about trying to improve the country, instead of going for a counter-revolution? Stop fighting for power, fighting to control who gets what, and trying to improve what's already there?
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@kalamarnica The only way to improve Russia is a return to traditional values and a installation of a monarch.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
Who will become the monarch? Who will become new aristocrats? Who will foot the bill?
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@kalamarnica Who will become the new monarch? There are two main options. The first would be to offer the throne to a descendant of the Romanov household or some other old Russian noble family. Another would be to call the Zemsky Sobor and proclaim a new dynasty like in 1613. Who would foot the bill ? Who foots the bill in a democratic country ?
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
I can't convince you, that monarchy is not the answer. Power corrupts. If from a tender age you are being convinced that you will be king - likelihood of you growing up to be a good king is not very good. History is full of such examples.
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@kalamarnica On the contrary, someone who is born into power if far better at handling it than someone who rises to power from obscurity quickly. So the quote that "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is better applied to democratic politicians than hereditary monarchs. A monarch is prepared mentally to inherit great power and responsibility and is therefore better at handling it. A democratic politicians on the other hand often let power go to their head.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
So naive.
kalamarnica 5 months ago
You are not exactly in a position to call others naive. You claimed that every 5-7 years Russia had a famine which was large enough to have killed millions of people. However ignoring that previous statement, exactly how is it naive to assume that someone who has been well prepared to inherit political power will be able to do a better job of handling it than some upstart charlatan whose only right to power is that he won a popularity contest. Realists have traditionally been pro-monarchy.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@Bmanstudios101 Kinda too late for apologies, don't you agree?
Avenger556fmj 5 months ago
@Avenger556fmj Best thing we can do now is fight for the rise of our Empires.
Bmanstudios101 5 months ago 3
@Bmanstudios101 We did to win the war, wish we never had i hate commie's more than hell!
meiscoolize 5 months ago
@meiscoolize Do you hate commies, becasue they want more justice? Becasue for them are thing more valuable then moneys? Now go sell your family, arabian king want pay 5 000 000$ , you capitalist.
MrKrzywyBanan 4 months ago
@MrKrzywyBanan okay they destory kings and empires and i hate them how about in south america twats like u are killing people for fun and in russia this happened its digusting and sprataists they always do it by force!
meiscoolize 4 months ago
@MrKrzywyBanan Commies want more justice?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why don't you have the balls to admit that you're no different from the "captialist" you hate so much? Honesty is a nice virtue. Frankly, communism feels like a religion, they can never reason.
SlypherSpoons 4 months ago
@SlypherSpoons Yes.. MORE, more than capitalists - indian, brazilian workers have 100$ per month. In monarchy and capitalism are people less valuable then dogs - they can survive for their money, they can not life like normal people. And there are masters, nobles, rich people who has more laws pnly because they are rich. Commies want - everyone people have same life condition, here are not rich, and here are not poor.
MrKrzywyBanan 4 months ago
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@MrKrzywyBanan
communists' definition of "justice" is a mass grave. they murder anyone who disagrees with them even slightly, even within their own party. let me ask you this- why do you hate people for what class they are born into? A person does not control if his parents or grandparents are "bourgeiosie" or "proletariat", anymore than a person controls what country they're born in.
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@Bmanstudios101 Our best aristocrats (Ekaterina II, Elizaveta Fedorovna & Alexandra Fedorovna (from Darmshtadt) were the Germans. You need not sorry. This germans are the glory if Russia!
VZavorot 4 months ago
These tsarist marches are amazing! I would personally follow a band into hell with music like this! Almost as good as out pipes and drums :o)
daveyRIR 6 months ago
@eyeofexistence
Don't hate all of them. Its not smart. With all of my dislike of the jews, I prefer to use an individual approach.
kalamarnica 6 months ago
God Bless St. Nicolas the Passion Bearer, Czar of Russia, and all that shit.
YoshiTheBlue 6 months ago
I am a staunch Royalist & absolutely on the side of the Romanovs.I used to live in the bolshy left wing town of Ipswich in England,Talk about vicious,spiteful,
evil,wicked liars-the left wing do gooders.Ipswich was so fond of stalin back in the 1940s & 50s they even got a present from son of a bitch Stalin-he sent his soviet engineers & workers over to Ipswich to build an underground railway system exactly like the one in Moscow.Last but not least,leftists ruined my life ,I had to leave England.
Poldark3 6 months ago
@Poldark3
the Romanovs were heroes, they fought the Communists before anyone else did, the world would be so much better if the White Army had won the Civil War...God save the Tsar!
TheTollundWoman 6 months ago 2
@TheTollundWoman If the white army had defeated the Communists, then you and your familly would yet be illiterate farmers,somewhere in the Urals, starving to death,trying to pay the Royal taxes for the Imperial familly,so that they could continue living their luxurious life,without working...Tsars,kings,princes,aristocrats,are nothing else than parasites,living by the work of the lower classes....
Liktori 6 months ago
@Liktori
No, if the White Army had won, the 5 million Russians who starved to death during "war communism" would have died of old age, the 60 million Russians who were murdered in the GULag would have died of natural causes, many of the over 20 million Russians who died in ww2 wouldn't have died because Stalin wouldn't have purged Russia's best military experts. Plus if the White Army had won, Korea would never have been divided against the will of its people
TheTollundWoman 6 months ago 2
@Liktori
Great Leaders, Dear Leaders, Politburos, Chairmans, are nothing but parasites living by the work of the Kulaks and "hostile class". Communist cadres hold banquets in the middle of famines. I hate the idea of an absolute monarchy, but Tsar Nicholas II gave his life for freedom and he is a hero! So again I say: God Save the Tsar
TheTollundWoman 6 months ago
@TheTollundWoman
Gave his life for freedom? Whose freedom? How is he a hero? He was not a bad man, but he was not fit to be czar. Because if he was, he wouldn't have lost his throne, and Russia would not have undergone a civil war.
kalamarnica 6 months ago
@kalamarnica Under Nicholas II Russia was the fastest growing economy in Europe with a 98.6 % growth rate.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
Over 20 years - 98.6%. Great by today's standards. Over that same time period Germany tripled its production of steel, for example.
Imperial Russia had big famines in peacetime every 5-7 years, with millions of people dying of starvation. Simple truth.
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@kalamarnica Well actually the 98.6% growth in Russia's economy was between 1898 and 1913 so 15 years is more accurate. In comparison Germany's economy grew at a rate 84.2% during those years. Very good, but Russia was growing at a faster rate. Since you mention steel production, Russia's pig iron production rose by 100% during those years. Many German politicians were concerned about Russia's rapid industrialization, paticurarly between 1906-1913.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
Also you claim that Russia had major famines every 5-7 years which killed millions of people. To put it delicately, your claim is extravagant fiction at best. The last major famine in the Russian Empire was in 1891, and it did not kill close to a million people. Before that the last major famine was 1603 ! Also I should mention that between the late 1870's and 1906 the mortality rate greatly fell. Why would that happen if so many people were dying from starvation ?
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
Because they were not counted. Those who died were little children. Infant mortality rate was 250 per 1000 born, before the baby turned one year old. How many survived till 16? Fewer still. Mortality rate (without those infants) was ~30 per 1000.
And what happened to the famine in 1906?
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@kalamarnica The overall mortality rate was not neither 30 per 1000 nor was the mortality rate 250 per 1000 born. The overall mortality rate was 27 per 1000 at most but it was probably closer to 25 per 1000, and it was rapidly declining due to constant improvement of Russian medicine. Infant mortality was 247 per 100 at most. So to say the least you are inflating the statistics to suit your needs. Also your claim that people "were not counted" is not very convincing to say the least.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
Where did you get those statistics?
Oh, and if all people were counted, why is there discrepancies over the size of population? Figures for 1914 very from 160 to 185 million. That is quite a lot of variation - ~14%.
I am not saying the situation was not improving. Revolution did a great blow to the country. But the only reason you say that without revolution things would have been better, is because you want to believe it. You have no proof of it - it didnt come to be
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@kalamarnica I would like to ask the very question to you. Where did you get your statistics ? I get mine from official statistics between 1855-1914. Russia had a population of 160 million in 1910 and near 168 million in 1914. So you have yet to prove how the 1906 famine killed millions of people. If the revolution did not happen we could be for sure what the present would be like today, however judging by what we know, chances it be superior to the world we live today.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
I get my statistics from all kinds of encyclopedias, both russian and western.
I said that famines killed millions of people in Imperial Russia, not that famine of 1906 alone killed millions.
I don't think that it would be superior to the world today. No industrialization - no modern war machine - war with the west - defeat and exploitation. February revolution of 1917 was praised in England and France as "one of the war goals achieved" after all.
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@kalamarnica If we were perhaps to put all the famines in Russia from 1721 to 1917 together, then perhaps we would be able to somewhere near million people dead. However you claimed that every 5-7 years Russia had a famine which was large enough to have killed millions of people. This claim has no evidence and can only be regarded as absurd.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
Just as absurd as your claim, that under monarchy things would have been a lot better.
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@kalamarnica I have provided reasons to why Russia would be better if it had remained a monarchy. However you have not provided anything to support your claim that every 5-7 years Russia had a famine which was large enough to have killed millions of people. However to your credit in your last comment you have conceded that claim is absurd.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
I said it is as absurd as your claim of a better situation in Russia, had Romanov's stayed in power.
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@kalamarnica The lives of countless people would have been saved because the Marxist ideology would have never came to power in Russia. Communism would have never been able gain prominence without the success of the Russian revolution. Russia would not be faced with the demographic crisis that it is faced with today. The drunkard Boris Yeltsin would have never come to power either. Many of Russia's problems today are a result of the 1917 revolutions.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
No industrialization ? Between 1860 and 1913 there was great industrialization ! For example in 1913 coal production was 120 times greater than in 1860. Under Nicholas II alone the railway network grew 57% ! So this claim that Russia would have been unindustrialized had it not been for the revolution is completely untrue.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
The fact that the English and the French governments praised the February Revolution is not evidence of the revolutions moral superiority but rather the treachery of those governments. Especially that of Clemenceau. It is mostly due to the Russian army that the Schlieffen plan failed and that the Germans lost the Battle of Verdun. Complete treachery on his behalf. David Lloyd George is also an interesting case. He wanted to hang Kaiser Willhelm II but he admired Hitler.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
Oh, please! Don't just give such abstract numbers. How much did coal production grow in Germany or England in the same period? How much is 120 times? Is it enough? My bank account grew 120 times in the past month - from 10 to 1200 dollars. (That is an example).
In 1913 Russia produced 9.4 million ton of steel and iron. Germany made 35 million, Britain 17 million. In 1900, numbers for Russia and Germany were ~5 and ~10 million. So, who had greater growth?
kalamarnica 5 months ago
Very well since you would like more specific numbers I will give you them. In 1860 the coal production was 121,000 tons. In 1900 the coal production was 12,000,000 tons. In 1916 it was 34,500,000 tons. It is difficult to objectively compare Russia's economic growth to that of Western Europe for one simple reason. Industrialization in Western Europe began in the 1840s while in Russia it began in the late 1860s.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
This is because Russia had to undergo a transition from an agrarian economy to an industrial one. If the government had abolished serfdom right away the economy would have collapsed. Also important questions such as land redistribution had to be answered first. Even when Alexander II abolished serfdom it had some negative economic consequences because Russia was not fully ready to make that transition. So Russian industrialization began considerably later than that of Germany per say.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
If the October Revolution did not happen, then what happened in the 90s would have happened back than. Do you agree, that people who came to power after February were same as those who were in power in the 90's?
Look, what I am trying to say, is that there is no black and white. All sides are a little bit different shade of gray. We know of the tragedies that happened during communist era. We will never know of the tragedies that could have happened without it.
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@kalamarnica I never said that I supported Kerensky. On the contrary I consider those who participated in the February Revolution to have committed a serious act of treason against the Russian State. That is why in my previous comment I have condemned the 1917 revolutions, not just the October revolution. Nor do I claim that everything is black and white. As a strong believer in Realism such a view is foreign to me.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
If I had your faith (and it is exactly that - faith), that monarchy would have been better - than I would too.
But I don't. I prefer not to spit on the graves of the people who died long before I was borne. They are dead - they cannot care anymore. Only the living care.
As much as I like alternative history - I live in the here and now. Instead of reminiscing about the past, I prefer to shape the future, as much as I can.
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
We both won't be able to change the views of the other. So I bid you goodbye.
kalamarnica 5 months ago
@kalamarnica Very well. Let us agree to disagree and part our ways. I bid you farewell and wish you well.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@kalamarnica The famine of 1906 is generally considered so insignificant that historians rarely ever mention it. It certainly did not kill " millions of people" as you previously claimed. There was also a minor famine in Russia in 2010. It also did not kill millions of people. There is NO evidence that the 1906 famine killed anywhere near a million people. And to claim that it did kill "millions" is mythology at best.
ImperialRussianGuard 5 months ago
@ImperialRussianGuard
During that time, Russia's production rose from about 2.2 million to about 4.6 million (give or take 5-10%), Germany's - from 5.3 to 17.5 million.
kalamarnica 5 months ago
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RedUnity 6 months ago
@RedUnity
Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Marx and Castro= murderers, thugs, despicable enemies of humanity
Tsar Nicholas II, General Wrangel, Solzhenitsyn, Kang Chol-Hwan= HEROES who risked everything to stop the evils of communism
Long live the memory of Nicholas II, God save the Tsar and f*** the German agent, Lenin
TheTollundWoman 6 months ago
@RedUnity
The Tsar, his family and all the heroes of the White Army will be avenged
Can't wait to see Kim Jong Il and Castro together in the ICC! God save the TSAR
TheTollundWoman 6 months ago
@TheTollundWoman ☭☭☭ Russia lost WW1 cuz the Tsar wanted all the power all for himself! He failed to industrialize and modernize his country. Stalin (peace and blessings be upon him) had to do it!
How you can support totalitarian dictatorship? Monarchy = dictatorship!
Red greetz... LONG LIVE COMMUNISM!!!! ☭☭☭☭
RedUnity 6 months ago
@RedUnity
Monarchy is dictatorship? Really? Then why do you support the world's last Absolute Monarchy, namely, Kim Jong Il's regime in North Korea, which wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Comrade Stalin's support?? You are not against monarchy. you are just against one of the few monarchs in history, Nicholas II, who was actually on the right side of history. Even Marx acknowledged, it was the bourgeiosie, not the "proletariat" that led the French Revolution and overthrew Louis XVI!
TheTollundWoman 6 months ago
@RedUnity
Yeah, Stalin "modernized" his country...using slave labor. some accomplishment. and very funny, you say "peace be upon him" as if he were a Prophet? Hitchens is right, Communists are just as bad as religious fanatics!
TheTollundWoman 6 months ago
@TheTollundWoman No the beleif of religious fanatics to come in HEAVEN, isn't real.
But our belief to CREATE HEAVEN is very real!
RedUnity 6 months ago
@RedUnity
Your "workers' paradise" is no more "real" than the 72 virgins or the land of milk and honey. A few months ago the Christian Fundamentalists were predicting the Rapture. And remember how it never happened? Thats how the "triumph of communism" seems to rational people. You've been predicting the end of capitalism for two centuries now, just like the "Jesus freaks" predicting the rapture. and you're just as wrong now as you were in 1848
TheTollundWoman 6 months ago
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@RedUnity
All the Communist dictators of the 20th century attempted to turn themselves into subjects of mass worship and fanatical devotion, as if instead of heads of state they were saints or "shahids." According to Communist propaganda Kim Il Sung is not really dead, he is just waiting to be resurrected like Jesus. Leader-worship is the opium of the masses.
TheTollundWoman 6 months ago
@TheTollundWoman Worse, much worse!
SpectatorAlius 6 months ago
@SpectatorAlius
agreed
TheTollundWoman 6 months ago
@RedUnity You have it all wrong. Russia lost WW1 because Stolypin was assassinated in 1911 and replaced with a far less spectacular Prime Minister, who never enjoyed as much trust with the Tsar. In three more years, he would have modernized Russia to the point it would have done much better in the war.
Of course, if he had really had his way, they would not have entered the war. He knew he needed more years of peace to modernize and develop the country.
SpectatorAlius 6 months ago
The Czar is dead: long live his memory. He wasn't perfect, but he was a very talented individual.
JamesDestry1 6 months ago
@JamesDestry1 "Not perfect" doesn't cut it. Stood idle as his own people were massacred by his army during peaceful demonstrations. He was guilty of criminal neglect.
Magicwillnz 6 months ago
Good blas Russia from Republic of Srpska
Russian and Serb Brother forever!
pipa88papi 7 months ago
@jlya2012
That's what they want you to think.
ewd76 7 months ago
with the great achievments in todays science one day we can recreate lenin clones from his dna and soviet russia will rise again такая жыццё, нічога не зробіш.
Atomicomet 7 months ago