"Fundamentally, god is an invention of the human being, respectively, of the human brain, whereby, in the human being, over millions of years, the imaginary divinity has been inherited in a form of schizophrenic, epileptic delusion and has established itself in the temporal lobes as well as in the parietal lobes. Religious experiences which arise thereby constitute forms of schizophrenic delusion and are the result of a genetically inherited religious belief.
I agree but I don't believe that people should have pride in atheism, only disregard in faith. It's really a harsh reality and I solemnly wish I could just be another mind washed christian.
I was never indoctrinated by my single parent mother (Yes I'm a proud bastard). Instead I was allowed to explore my concept of faith on my own. I am heavily an Agnostic who leans towards Atheism, with no value placed on omnipotent beings or non corporeal transcendence. I made my bed not believing when I was 10
I don't have a godly religion because there are 1,000s of godly religions and all believe in a different way to go to "heaven." I don't believe in god because he's very absent and there is no good reason to believe a god exists. I don't believe in destiny because we have control over our decisions. I don't believe in divine intelligence because it's random chance with a label people attach meaning to.
Thx for sharing yer story, I went through a whole lot of head scratching, watching all kinds of videos from newage to UFO ~oligy on you tube, then i said screw this, if god and ufo's exist, he/they have got to show up and "stand Before Me" im still waiting,& its alot easier now to deal with all this crazy superstitous, supernatural BS.. I just finished reading the Demon Haunted world today...
JESUS CHRIST, HIS CATHOLIC-UNIVERSAL-APOSTOLIC CHURCH, SACRAMENTS, THE BIBLE, MIRACLES, HEALINGS, ST. MARY APPARITIONS, MESSAGES FROM HEAVEN, SIGNS IN 2011 ARE NOT A MYTHOLOGY BUT THE REALITY !!!
God holds mankind responsible for sins he knew we would commit before the foundation of the world, then sends his son to die in a blood sacrifice to save us from a punishment he first implemented to in turn save us from a hell he created.
To use a term maybe over used- CHECK MATE!
God's gift of free will only keeps Gods hands clean of responsibility for knowing most of us would burn in hell for "sins" he knew we would commit before time and space began.
Thank you so very much for sharing your story with us! I've been an atheist since my grandma told me I don't question or doubt dog, oh, excuse me, I mean...god. I was five at the time. ;~) So, I don't really remember at time in my life when I may have had a god belief. It's kinda why I've been hooked on de-conversion stories. It's truly hard for me to understand how religious people believe this stuff.
@christallh24 this is funny because my grandpa (and dad) encouraged me to be skeptic when i questioned the religion my mom raised me into (christianity). i asked many questions, and my grandpa (who has read the entire bible many times and studied many many other books throughout his long life) helped me out a lot in letting go of that fear of "displeasing god" and becoming a happy, free, and more logic individual and accept that god is an imaginary "filler" of the unknown.
@christallh24 i'm really glad to have that kind of support :) although i do secretly wish i had the entire world's support. there would be nothing but peace and unity <3
- hey mr. Physicist, the Plank's Constant is not that constant at all, ya should know better than that;
- " ideas like global warming that have no scientific basis come up." psst let me tell you another secret, .. Global warming affects both flora and fauna so biologists lnow what they are talking about.
"Then we have a bunch of uneducated idiots armed with a little scientific knowledge running around spewing false ideas."
... hahaha, you've just described yourself "mr. youtube physicist"
- even if (even if!!) the universe was described as a system with constants, rules, laws, etc, it would not point out to have been designed since all theses physic-natural laws are subjected to random events which do not describe an "intention".
- I'm sure you ignore the "constants, rules, laws" .. when it comes to evolutionary biology/phylogenetic tree. Yap no designer there.
- Oh and btw, i'm a youtube PhD on Biology and Philosophyin case you don't know.
@ZZzzzzzWhat No one ever said God did, I said if you had a half decent Education in Math/Science it'd be pretty obvious the Universe was a non chaotic system. As far as the Subatomic scale, that can be calculated with Plank's Constant (Another Constant). The whole point is their are rules / laws to the universe and it is an orderly system. No one said God did it, it could all be a simulation like a video game, However someone or something did create and it did not occur randomly.
@lion575 "No one ever said God did...However someone or something did create and it" Humm, I wonder who the "designer of the universe" if it is not a deity?
"it'd be pretty obvious the Universe was a non chaotic system." If it -was not-, then it -is- now.
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"I would hardly call Evolutionary Biology a science" LOL, Hey mr "Physicist" let me tell you a secret: a biologist is still a scientist, they also use the scientific method.
@ZZzzzzzWhat Nope, I believe in evolution, but I would hardly call Evolutionary Biology a science or someone who studies it a scientist. They are a lot closer to an Archeologist or Natural Historian than a Scientist. When Biologists try to get involved in scientific topics, ideas like global warming that have no scientific basis come up. Then we have a bunch of uneducated idiots armed with a little scientific knowledge running around spewing false ideas.
i like your videos i started to have doubts and so i tried exploring and learning and understanding more about religeon and science and now i am in an argument withh a kid at my high school who believes in god so im watching your videos to show him the truth
Christianity defies human nature: from an atheists point of view christianity would simply have been created by a man. But, if you were to make a religion would you make every natural instinct a sin? Also, it defies society, at the time of course the dominent societies were Roman and Jewish, i wont go into what they were like but they were nothing like the Christian philosophy. Jesus, had no education and therefore should have been susceptable to human nature and society
in a time where i felt so lost and scared. And shortly after I felt this love and peace inside of me like i've never expericened before. And I came to reliease, Jesus loves me with such pure love, it was unexplainable, utteraly suppernatural. I know Jesus is alive in me and loves me!! And because of that I have a undescridible need to love others as Christ has loved me. So love you as a person no matter what!! and God bless!!!
if you have never heard of Jesus, you dont go to hell, Thats not fare your absoulty right about this. God is a just God, that why it is not true. TRUST ME IM NOT TRYING TO BE OFFENCEIVE . I honestly have a couriousty to understand where you and other athesits like you are comming from. But at the same time i had been going through though times. My mom had passed away, my father and I were not on the best of terms and I WAS SO CONFUSED!! So i paryed , i prayed for peace love and understanding...
church of god ministry of jesus christ international, the one true church because it's the only one that has prophecy to each individual human. go and investigate it before you judge me, i took the time to type this because other people talk about god without ever hearing god talk to them personally.
wounderful to know that there are more americans speking out on this subject. In england god and religion is not such hot topic if any of our politician or people in office mention god they are usually considered unstable. a bronze age sheep hurder. good luck dude keep the faith and question the universe.
(...) "Look at how the laws of the universe could not have come just spontaneously." The laws of the universe aka the laws of physics are well explained, they were not spontaneous nor they needed a 'creator'.
The Bible is not history, its historically inspired.
"Why is it that, back in the day, people were obsessed with the gods?" Superstition was the only means for the ancient people to get answers since there was no science to obtain them. There's no need for superstition anymore.
@ZZzzzzzWhat Im a Systems Engineer and Physicist and can't agree with what your saying. Just like any system has constants, rules, laws, etc ... so to does the universe. If for example the Universe had a Gravitational constant that changed and no standards it could be argued the Universe was random, but it doesnt. It is 6.674×10−11 N m2 kg−2. The universe is a structured system with rules / laws / etc .... . It required design.
@lion575 lol it's not the first time i see a "youtube physicist". So, could you provide some sources for your "Cosmological argument"(website?, a book?), i'm really interested on how original you William Lane Craig fans can be.
Furthermore, the universe being 99,999..% hostile, chaotic and impersonal would only prove a ...dumb designer.
@ZZzzzzzWhat My Source???? The only hard example I threw out was was the Universe having a gravitational constant of 6.674×10−11 N m2 kg−2. The source for that would be Issac Newton. For any other implied examples I gave check any Physics book. The Universe is exactly the opposite of how you describe it (i.e. as being 99.9999 % chaotic), If you need a source for that I'd recommend taking a few higher level physics and Math courses as well as quantum mechanics.
@lion575 lolwut? by the universe having a "gravitational constant of 6.674×10−11 N m2 kg−2".. therefore Goddidit! lol, you place a lot of 'faith' on the metaphysics don't ya?
tell you what mr "Physicist"
- a true scientist, Physicist, or even academic would NEVER use the "god of the gaps" argument;
- The universe is UNQUESTIONABLE 99,999..% hostile, chaotic and impersonal;
- The Newtonian model does NOT apply the same way on the sub atomic scale (Quantum mechanics). (...)
In my experience most atheists are not very good at reasoning. why? Because most of them used to be christians, and christians are not very good at reasoning (which is why they exist).
I have an argument for the belief in god - or something god-like anyway. However, whenever I present it I am surprised at how incompetent the atheist responses are.
The questions that this man had asked are very good questions. He has an opened mind which is what religion likes to squish. Look at God from a scientific way. Look at how the laws of the universe could not have come just spontaneously. Question what the Bible is saying in order to see what it's trying to get across. The Bible is history that the world itself is uncovering. Why is it that, back in the day, people were obsessed with the gods?
@Alexus2990 hi there, sorry i only saw your comment response now.
"I don't get my facts from what they say, I look into the Bible myself and try to decode it. "your personal interpretation, or 'decoding' are not facts, you should search for the meaning of "fact".
"the key to know why certain things happened." which things?
" Look at how the laws of the universe could not have come just spontaneously." 99,999..% of the universe is chaotic and hostile (not a sign of intelligent creation) (...)
@ZZzzzzzWhat - Ummm, not really. I don't consider myself to be of any denomination because I don't get my facts from what they say, I look into the Bible myself and try to decode it. From what I've learned has only increased my belief that there most certainly is a God and that understanding is the key to know why certain things happened. From what I've seen, christians won't look beyond certain aspects that don't fit logically and when Atheist do they just throw the whole concept of God away.
The reason atheists come up so much is because there are blind Christians that try to instill these teachings into other people but they have no clue about what they actually believe. I used to be a die hard atheist, but then I did research and stayed as far away as possible from blind Christians because all I would get was circular thinking. After years of research I finally was converted, and aside from his parents horrendous thinking, God won't judge people on something as savage as religion.
Atheists tend to have higher rates of obesity (see video as evidence), depression, suicide, isolation, mental illness, health difficulties, substance abuse, and tend to be quarrelsome, angry white men (see video as evidence). Atheists do not marry, produce offspring or live as long. Atheism is not considered sexually attractive by most females. Some ( "The Irrational Atheist" and Wired Magazine) support the idea atheism may be a form of Aspergers Syndrome holding at 2.3% of the population.
It shows how when you ask questions and open your eyes.
Religion is just an invention. It has been enforced by fear and violence throughout history. Now it is culturally indoctrinated.
When you learn about the science behind the world God diappears in a puff of logic.
It is fortunate that it is the fundamentalists that will bring the downfall of religion as they cause people to defend thier faiths and that can mean asking questions.
its amazing to me how many catholics become atheists.listen to what this guy says his mother taught him. is that catholic doctrine?no wonder so many become atheists.
I've listened to many "why I am atheist" videos, the truth is you have no idea what the truth is about yourself, just regurgitating your memory of the process doesn't tell you why, only how it came about. So I'll help you out.
I became atheist when I became defiant, I also failed puberty, I aged but did not mature into a man because I was afraid, a scared little boy.
Now I believe, so I leave you with this, just FORGET religion.
Great story man :D I live in Norway and to be honest it's a lot more normal to have atheist beliefs rather than religious beliefs here. People who actually believe in God are almost made fun of here, I'm not saying it's right to make fun of other people's beliefs, but I'm saying I understand why it's easy to make fun of people who ignore logic and common sense when it comes to religion.
ol...even historians (a non religious occupation) say that Jesus died on the cross. They try as hard as they can to twist the truth but they just can't.
Lol...even historians (a non religious occupation) say that Jesus died on the cross. They try as hard as they can to twist the truth but they just can't.
I like how this guy says "I asked my mom" "I asked my mom" "I asked my mom" ...is your mother a biblical scholar? Most of the things you spoke about here are very wrong, and comes from a very misunderstanding of the Bible. Maybe you should have asked yourself, instead of your mother, after you tried to read. Maybe....
we understand that our beliefs are foolish to you, and some stuff we say seem absolute bullcrap. If you upload videos and comments for the sake of us staying away and not bothering you, we get your message.
But understand that, if you are wrong, there are always consequnces, and there are plenty of signs out there, not in the bible, that proves existence of a super natural being. Ask CS Lewis, the writer of Narnia ;)
@ndrthrdr1 "When someone asks me whether I believe in god, I say "Which one?'
I reply , not your invisible freind who thinks he is God, your ego.
The One who has Truth and real Power to overcome Self.
I abandoned atheism when I got fed up of my own defiance, I started to investiagte hard science and found God's fingerprint all over quantum physics. Like this, watch?v=ee2jtmhyO8Q
Religion is hard to believe because the story in the bible isn't the story that the bible spawned from. Read the book of Enki by Zecharia Sitchen. God is not a he or she or an it, God is THEM. Learn of the Annunaki, and the ancient Sumerians. The original version of Genesis is MUCH more scientific in nature and BELIEVABLE. Know that there is a god, but it's not the god our minds have been conditioned to imagine. Not 1 super natural entity, but MANY of an extra-terrestrial race that visited earth
I look at god like this: 13 billion years ago he wrote all of the "source code" that defines how everything in the universe works at the most fundamental level. Then he set it in motion and walked away and has been hands off ever since. Or perhaps these fundamental rules are actually god. Who knows? But one thing is for certain, a bunch of primitive mumbo jumbo in some supposedly ancient book is not how it really went down.
right on mikey !!! one thing we can't escape from : we are ruled by the laws of matter, time and chance... you can call them God or what you wish, but the idea of a god responsible of everything that happens to us and infinitely good doesn't hold water....real intellectual honesty will at least bring one to profess agnosticism....atheism is maybe a little too definitive...let's say I'm a skeptical agnostic...(excuse my english, I'm a french-speaking swiss...all the best to you
EVERYBODY STFU ARGUEING, were all going to die and get put in a box and get buried, and if you believe the fairytale of heaven.. Good for you believe it.. But dont try and force the idea down other peoples neck. -- 16 year old, ireland.
I want you to know religion has nothing to do with our existence open your eyes and take look the facts check my channel you will find out what is life form and how it became to be I'm going to add five more video clips on Saturday!
I think you are wrong my friend..it seems that you are still undecided..Christianity has 800 versions of the bible...my suggestion to..and its only a suggestion you have nothing to lose...Read the quran..if you dont believe it you dont believe but it has an answer for everything..read it and surprise yourself
Hey bro, I was catholic about a month ago until I became a voracious reader of quantum mechanics and string theory. The only book I read on your list is The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene and I recently bought his latest book called the Hidden Reality. About two weeks ago, I started to have atheistic views and now I am glad to say that I am a full blown atheist!
@74gore i see where you're coming from now and yes i agree. if anyone must use the term 'god' then 'god'=science, like you said. sorry about my accusation of you being a theist.
It's ironic how most atheists like me become atheists after a process of trying to learn and understand more about religion and the bible. The more you seek, the sooner you become a disbeliever.
@ZZzzzzzWhat That's funny because I have not met an Atheist yet who has explained that Judaism doesn't believe in hell, Satan is not the boogyman, or anyone who can explain 1 story in the Torah, Tanach, or Bible properly. Kinda funny for someone to claim they sought knowledge, got it, and left when they can't even repeat a story properly. They cling to the false idea that the Old Testament is an Angry God and the New Testament is suddenly a Loving good God. Which is very untrue.
@78Divini Not sure what u mean about "an Atheist yet who has explained that Judaism doesn't believe in hell", and i doubt that even if i was a Torah/Tanach literate i wouldn't reach the standards to contradict ur stronghold of belief. Don't know why u say i can't repeat 'the story' properly or that i'm a supporter of the ambiguity of a good/angry god of the OT/NT (which btw i agree with u), i don't remember arguing with u before so i don't know y would say that, sounds quite condescending of u.
@ZZzzzzzWhat Because I came to watch a video of a guy who explains why he became an Atheist. Instead of explaining or debating, you brought up points that do not exist. You brought up stories that are not even told right, and the explaining you did was false information and nowhere in the bible. So the point is simple. You came to a conclusion to be an Atheist, and i have no problem with you or you being an Atheist. I do however find it very strange that your points for reaching this, are false
@78Divini "You brought up stories... points that don't exist... false information and nowhere in the bible"?? were did you get all of this? from a 3 line commentary? wtf are u talking about? 'my points for reaching this, are false'? which points?
Me becoming an atheist is like deciding not to eat eggs all of the sudden? Are you serious or a Poe?
@ZZzzzzzWhat To explain, this would be like me saying "I decided to eat donuts today, instead of eggs, because everyone knows Eggs gives you cancer the first time you eat it. Eggs have chemicals that are not natural to nature, and poisons within the egg are used in most insecticides. So I decided to never eat eggs again, and I am gonna eat donuts instead!" Nobody would be pissed or upset that I choose donuts over eggs, but they would question my facts, and reasons behind it.
@ZZzzzzzWhat Well, you're just too stupid to think: 'Why?' and 'How?' yeah, that's right you. Why would "God" make me an atheist..? Oh yeah, God does NOT excist! How can you be so ignorant, omg. you're stupid. Fuck it if I'm going to hell, I'd rather be playing cards with 'Satan' then 'God'.. Oh wait, the both do NOT excist.
@Dennisrawr as i can see from your last comments you are also insulting christians. it's clear thats you have problems and you are just a troll seeking for attention. Go search somewhere else kid, i don't have time for emotional disturbed kids like you.
@ZZzzzzzWhat Understanding the bible is the first step but to be a true Atheist meaning erasing any doubt whatsoever you must come to a logical, philosophical conclusion gleened from understanding reality. Many Atheists who have not done this just simply cling to science. The more you understand reality the more you see through any sort of Super Being/God. This type of Atheist cannot be converted to any religion because he sees the logical error of projecting a super human state over reality.
@ZZzzzzzWhat Isaac Asimov said the Bible is the best evidence against God. For great analysis of the facts about the Bible & other old Writ & comparative religion try also John W. Loftus, Robert M. Price, Dan Barker, Valerie Tarico, Ken Humphreys, Keith Parsons, Ken Pulliam, David Mills, Gary Greenberg, Bart Ehrman, Joseph Wheless, C. Dennis Mckinsey, Richard Carrier, Christopher Hitchens, Bertrand Russell, Israel Finkelstein, James Frazer, Jason Long, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins
I started to become a Atheist in 1994 when my "savior" appeared in the sky. ;-)
It was on the news for weeks and then died violently. It was comet Shoemaker Levy 9. At the time, something sparked in my Christian brainwashed mind and that icy space rock fascinated the heck out of me. I bought a whole library of Astronomy books and a telescope. Soon after, i wanted to know the real story about life on Earth and started studying that, which ended my life as a Christian. Science wins by a mile.
hahaha god is a believe nad JESUS was a normal person, he was a very good person, and they call it an OMaGic, anyway people that r giving money 2 churchs, u r hilarious! im gonna make my church cuz they r millionaire just by that! :D! im so happy by the IDEA
Atheist? How can you not believe in something that doesn't exist. Makes no sense. If God doesn't exist then there is nothing to not believe in.. Atheist are just people that just choose to leave God because because they are angry.
@cguiton10 I think you're confused about the definition of Atheism. Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god or gods. I think you seem to think it is the belief that there are no gods, which is wrong. There is no God, so there is no belief in a god. It's very easy to understand. As for the angry part, watch this, and don't comment back until you have. /watch?v=IXMWlWbwIe0
@dkamm65 What is our point? God allows me not to be stressed because i have faith he will get me through any obstacle, and he has! Athiest must try to get everything done by there own strength but we do not. we have a God that looks out for us allowing us to be happy and stress free. When atheist have a problem they get upset because they have nobody to ask for help when we have a problem its all good because God helps us. I choose to live my life with God on my side. GOD IS SO GOOD..
@BIJMOZ Athiest are people that are mad at God. I know who my savior is and he has proven himself over and over and over again. Im not ignorant i just know that God is good all the time i will keep you in my prayers.
@cguiton10 Thanks for keeping me in your prayers, but Atheists are people who think that there is not sufficient evidence for God. I am an Antitheist, which means that there is a God he is immoral and religion is a source for evil and/or ignorance in the world, and it is detrimental to the advancement of humanity. Of course I'm not angry with God. I don't think there is a God... That's ridiculous.
So I notice that most of the comments here are plain wishes and prayers for this guy to reconvert.
No one here understands the reasons why he deconverted and no one wants to use any actual argument in which he should have any reason whatsoever to rejoin your mind trapping cult.
Christians out there, how about you try to educate yourself on the enemy to ''strengthen your faith'' and actually learn something instead of sitting in your little jesus room and ignoring whatever you hear outside
if you love your mother and father and you know that they love you, then, you should trust what they tell you. For jesus christ Is love. you like many want god now, in the flesh, appealing to your mind. but it is the spirit that is of god. jesus was a man, but with the actual spirit of god . the essence.
The spirit wars with the flesh and vice versa. All science will give you is a theoretical overload which leads ,definitely, to an empty unhappiness. The mind is not to be trusted. blessings//
We can know Him. The Bible is a path to Him. The Bible isn't proof, nor is it supposed to be. Experiencing is the evidence. Without experience, the Bible would be just another book. If you experience Jesus first hand, then the Bible starts to be understandable and things start to fall into place.
There is nothing ignorant or spineless in experiencing God. When you meet Jesus, when you connect, the experience transcends your intellect. Keep your heart open.
@MrSS58 "meeting" jesus, is you tricking yourself into thinking that you have found him. And once you have done that, I agree...... your intellect goes down the shithole.
I live my life by logical thinking. Logic is the only thing we can go by, and it's the only thing we can truly use to educate ourselves, and become more advanced as human beings. (experiancing things can also contribute) Your beliefs in religion and jesus christ will only slow the world down.
Why is it logical that you think I am tricking myself? Is it just because you do not have the same experience? There are millions who do have similar experiences of God. It seems to me that logically, YOU are out of step. Does your logic say that everyone else is wrong?
What is logical about the bad things we do, such as overeating? What holds us back from logical choices to eat right? What is "the thing you are going by" when you over-eat. We all do bad things? Why is that?
This isn't an intellectual exercise. Do you think that Christians got to be Christians by studying? The "Grand Beauty that Sprung Up?" Is this where all your seeking led? Hmmm . . .
I wish I could put into your head the experience of God and Jesus. It isn't something that science and reading can reach. Jesus doesn't come to us on our terms. He isn't an equation or mythological system. Open your heart to a relationship. It's not about you, it is about Him. You cannot understand Him.
@MrSS58 so we can't understand him, and we can't see him, and the only thing that tells us he is real is the bible. And we should all take the bible for granted, no question asked, end of story?
If your that much of an ignorant, spineless follower, I feel sorry for you.
if god was real then nobody would be a sinner and if thats not true then he is our enabler, THERES NO WAY AROUND IT,now people can make it sound like something else but the truth is IF HES REAL HES A DEAD WRONG ENABLER & IF NOT THEN WE ARE JUST SOPHISTICATED ANIMALS WITH EMOTIONAL ISSUES, otherwords we are as important as the ant crawling on my window seal, the only difference is the ant knows its mission...we dont know shit but what our so called intelligent mind wants to know.. so liv an die
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
If you say ...'he's too complex to understand' then how can anyone claim to know what he wants and think? Logic says that probably God does not exist. Unless of course you have faith. Then logic does not apply.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
In order to solve this Epicurus dilema, you need to define evil. Natural events are NOT evil. Man made events are evil, then man can stop evil because this was his doing. If you want God to do man's job, then you want a servant, not a God.
You can quote me on that one. Is not 2000 yrs old, is brand new. Or maybe better yet, quote the Holy Spirit, if you know what I mean. God Bless
@dejesusluisx Natural events are not evil in the sense that nature does not have an intention. AS I SAID, by evil in nature I mean suffering . There exist instances of intense suffering which an omnipotent, omniscient being could without losing some greater good or permitting some evil equally bad or worse. But even for the evil caused by men, an omnipotent being, who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
The Bible can not be understood literally. When people try to interpret it themselves or get wrong advice, they could end up where you are. A living God had spoken to many people over the centuries. This is kept in the Church traditions. The Bible is not the only source. The Bible is not the word from God is the inspired word from God, written by flawed men over many centuries. I’m afraid your quest has taken you from one Faith to another since Atheism is a Faith. God Bless.
@dejesusluisx "Atheism is a Faith". No, it is not. This is a dishonest fallacy from believers. Faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. Read the definition of atheism There you will find that atheism is is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Maybe your disbelief in fairies requires Faith? Or you discard them because you never saw any evidence for them? If you need 'Faith' to conclude that fairies don't exist, you need some help.
@lovemrdarcy How do you explain Free Will, Soul, Love, a self programming brain, directionality of creation and meaning of life outside religious realms?. If you have an explanation for those, I’m sure is described as matter of Faith. Until you bring unbiased scientific proof with empirical data to support the origin of those Human REALITIES, I’ll stand by my argument that atheism is a Faith. If you don’t know and/or don’t care you are probably an agnostic and I will respect that. God Bless.
@dejesusluisx No dejesus, until YOU bring unbiased scientific proof with empirical data to support the origin of these human REALITIES, other than , Goddidti!, then you can stand up ANY argument. Until there, you are left with your dishonesty of trying to put the burden of proof on the other side. I am an agnostic atheist. Atheists don't make claims of knowlegde, believers do. They KNOW that a god exist. I am as much agnostic in God as you are in Faiires. You need the blessing more than I do.
@lovemrdarcy The accepted knowledge always stands until the new knowledge is proven. In the 16 century Galileo had to prove the heliocentric theory vs the geocentric dogma of the time. He didn’t said: “you are all wrong, prove the geocentric theory is right”. I didn’t ask you to prove me that God did not exist, all I ask is for you to prove scientifically the origins humane attributes like free will, which we know exists cause we are here, vs the accepted dogma. God Bless.
@dejesusluisx Well dejesus, what is exactly the 'accepted dogma'? The accepted dogma that you refer about is not God? Isn't the 'accepted dogma' that all these exist because a God exist? So you are requiring here a scientific proof vs your accepted dogma ( Existence of God). In other words, you are requiring scientific proof that god does not exist. More interesting, the challenger has to be scientifically proven beyond doubt, but you don't require the 'dogma' to have the same level of proof.
@dejesusluisx "The accepted knowledge always stands until the new knowledge is proven." And again... if anyone claims a 'knowledge' here, that is you ..the knowledge that there is a god. If you can scientifically prove your claim, please do so. And also, I think that more than being dishonest for the sake of winning an argument, you should consider if it's honest with yourself about how serious your are about scientific explanations for anything...
@dejesusluisx cont... Why pretend to be concern about scientific explanations for the origins of humane attributes when, for you 'accepted dogma' , science did not matter at all? You can not even claim that your 'accepted dogma' is anymore valid that the 'accepted dogma' that Hindus have it. So, if you are to pretend you make your decisions on what to believe based on scientific, empirical data, you must apply this 'rigid' filter to all things you accept. ...
@dejesusluisx You can't have it both ways. You can't have an accepted idea in your head that you took it on faith and then expect science to live up to that. Unless you got to the conclusion (knowledge) that God exist with a scientific method -- and then it would be honest for you to say that you would compare both evidences --- but that is not the case. For God you give a pass, for any other alternative, you wear your 'scientific standard'. It seems to me you are fooling yourself.
@lovemrdarcy No new information whatsoever. My original argument was that Atheism is a Faith. As you well pointed “Faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence”, then atheists belief that God does not exits need to be proven with material evidence otherwise is Faith. Theist by definition, do not need that. Show your evidence, and if you do not have it, stop defending the indefeasible. Don’t loose your soul over a silly stance or to try to outsmart someone. God Bless
@dejesusluisx It seems it's you trying hard to outsmart yourself because you apparently struggle with the idea of having only faith to justify your choice. And tries hard to compensate with twisted logic. 'Your belief that Fairies do not exist need to be proven with material evidence otherwise is Faith". If you agree with this, show your evidence or admit you have faith that fairies do not exist. It's actually embarrassing for yourself how easy this fallacy can be debunked.
@dejesus I don't really care for outsmarting anyone and it really it does take that much for this fallacy you tried. Any dictionary or definition of atheism can give you the well known explanation that faith is to atheism what hair color is for baldness. I understand the urge to defend your side but these tricks only give the impression that you guys are not serious anymore because it does seem flat out dishonesty. ..
@dejesusluisx ... cont. There is a certain dignity in those old fashionable, classic believers that do not worry about trying to justify with logic ( or reverse logic) their faith. There is a dignity in being humble enough to admit that they couldn't care less about reason or science and are proud that they have faith in something while others don't. They don't try to defend what is indefensible like you do. Thanks for the blessing. If the blesser is not real, at least I know your intention is.
@lovemrdarcy See below my argument: " I do not need science to understand my Faith." Did you missed it?. You have not given a single reason to justify your rebuttal that atheism is not Faith, it is because the non-existence of God can only be proven by Faith. Once again my challenge stand: “Just prove the origin of free will without using any Faith argument and you will get my praise and respect” or did you missed that one too? Personal attacks are useless. Just present the facts. God Bless.
@dejesusluisx First of all, there were no more personal attacks from my side than there were from your side. Let's be just here because it's annoying when one of the sides start playing the victim card. "You have not given a single reason to justify your rebuttal that atheism is not Faith". Man, have you read my posts??? It's not possible that YOU missed. I explained several times that this is a fallacy by the simple definition of atheism. Google your own question and you will get more.
@lovemrdarcy Actually, I take the line about personal attacks back. You must be referring to the fact that I called you dishonest. In this case I still think you are a dishonest debater and I gave my reasons to why ( the atheism 'faith' is a well known fallacy). But I'm sure that no foul language has been directed to you.
@dejesusluisx ... what you are doing here is simple repeating an argument over an over again because you are not listening the answer you WISH. It's childish. More than answer your question on atheism I even invited you to experiment my side: 'Your belief that Fairies do not exist need to be proven with material evidence otherwise is Faith". If you can se the nonsense on this phrase, you can finally get the point. Try harder.
@dejesusluisx "I don't need science to understand my Faith". Good for you, life is much easier when you have one answer that fits everything and never needs to be thought over. "the non-existence of God can only be proven by Faith." You whole argument then is that if God can not be disproven by science, therefore he exists. Again dejesus, this is getting old... think: The non-existence of FAiRY can only be proven by faith. Are you an agnostic about fairies? You never answered this question.
@dejesusluisx "Once again my challenge stand: Just prove the origin of free will without using any Faith argument and you will get my praise and respect” LOL. That's how you base what you believe? If a random person on youtube can not proof to you the origin of free will, then God exist? What kind of lower standard is that? If you were waiting for only this answer to 'WIN' your argument, you have it: I can't prove anything. I'm not even a scientist or philosopher, in case you took me for one.
@dejesusluisx "Once again my challenge stand : ... free will blah, blah" . Dejesus, why do you gain from challenging others (when you are not even interested otherwise you would research) ? It would be much more rewarding to you if you challenge yourself. if you took faith to be the standard for all your beliefs, then really, there is no more thinking to do. Notice that you closed your mind forever. This ' I can not explain, therefore God did it' is a lazy way of go on with our lives.
@lovemrdarcy Imagine a friend tells you that your significant other don’t love you. What would you say? You will probably ask: how do you know? And if your couple demonstrates this love to you then you would probably be very skeptic of you friend argument, right? Unless you friend brings evidence that the argument is true. Fairies are not established dogma. When there is an established dogma the new knowledge needs evidence to be sustained. I hope you get it this time. God Bless.
@dejesusluisx Dejesus, your example about friends is confusing. It does not involve supernatural beings with no evidence nor scientific proof as you were requiring. It seems like you are trying to get out of the question I gave back. Dogma is another word of belief, if it's established or accepted, this by itself does not prove it as real. If you go by this logic, then you have the problem that you just picked one dogma among hundreds of others religions. ...
@dejesusluisx Scientology has its dogmas. Mormons have their dogmas. Muslims. One crazier than other. Still all these religions are accepted dogmas. It's not possible that all of you are right but it's quite possible that you are all wrong. For the matter of evidence and what atheism is, that you pick one of those accepted dogmas or picked fairies to believe, it's the same level of evidence -- Do you agree that Allah is not proved just because there is an established dogma that says he does?
@lovemrdarcy Answer #2 Dogmas. Any person, in any religion, can have God’s grace; this was accepted in Vatican II. Religious dogmas do not determine your Faith in God. You could have the craziest belief but you are righteous and live under God’s laws and you can be saved. God is a personal God. God was before religions, before the Bible, before man, and before TIME. Live under God’s love and you will be saved. Dogmas were created by man to try to understand God. God Bless.
@dejesusluisx "You could have the craziest belief but you are righteous and live under God’s laws and you can be saved." Which are the God's laws exactly? How can someone that never heard of god follow such laws? And why is so important for believers that others subscribe to their laws? And saved from what exactly? If a person is righteous, loving towards humanity, caring, what difference does it make if she/he has faith or not in a supermatural being?
@lovemrdarcy All that is good originates from God, regardless it is originated by religious or seculars, regardless you do it or I do it. Religion is not God, religion is just a tool to know and understand God. God is present in the love you give to your family, even when you deny him. God is acting upon you every time your conscience tells you not do something that could get you into trouble. The difference is that when you understand this, all becomes clearer and life gets a meaning.God Bless
@dejesusluisx "All that is good originates from God".... ( and all evil too, right? Isn't what God says in the Bible? ) "God is acting upon you every time your conscience tells you not do something that could get you into trouble. The difference is that when you understand this, all becomes clearer and life gets a meaning." Wrong. Wrong and ugly. The difference is that once a believer, you become arrogant enough to think that only your good acts have meaning, you life has meaning.
@lovemrdarcy I’ll tell you where I’m coming from. I was a non believer and I am also a scientist. I have always questioned, but someone told me not to close to the possibility and to look further. I did, I took me many years but I finally found more than what I expected; a new beginning. There are levels of spirituality and when you are inquisitive, it makes you separate the basics (which most people believe) from the deep theological truths. You’ll need to go deep to get there. God Bless.
@dejesusluisx I tell you too where I coming from too. I was a believer, though never a scientist. I too always questioned and after a while I came to terms that accepting a dogma is irrational. How can we close our minds like this? A dogma is imperative, it doesn't change, it can not be questioned. More, studying and facing people from other religions was an eye opener. They were exactly like me, only born, random in other faith, with other gods. You could be a hindu now with just as much faith.
@lovemrdarcy Answer #3 Faith: If I were a Hindu or a Muslim with as much Faith as I have, I would not have a problem under God's eyes. You are loosing the tree within the leaves. Your Faith doesn't matter and whoever tells you different do not have a clue about the deep theological truths. Religion is a tool to know God, not a goal. You can get to the same place without religion, although might take you more time and effort. God Bless.
@dejesusluisx "If I were a Hindu or a Muslim with as much Faith as I have, I would not have a problem under God's eyes.".. Question is.. if there was a God, why should matter at all how much faith someone have it? If a person works her whole life with character, do good, respect, why really matter if she believes or not? Wouldn't even be more worth of praise since the good is done without the expectation of heaven and the bad is avoided despite no fear of punishment?
@lovemrdarcy Faith matters because to be one with God you have to be in his same wavelength. If you do not have a 100% conviction or Faith, you will not go to God. Do you believe in the Soul? There is no Hell, but you will not want to be without God when you die. I know what I'm telling you, please believe me. I visited the place thru a revelation. Quantum physics has brough us to get a better understanding of God now than 100 yrs ago. God is real but most people don't know the truth. God Bless
@dejesusluisx "Faith matters because to be one with God you have to be in his same wavelength. If you do not have a 100% conviction or Faith, you will not go to God. " You have to make up your mind here. In one post you say that it doesn't matter which faith ( can I believe in Thor and still be saved?). And that it doesn't really matter if I deny God or not because he is still with me ( but he will ditch me if I don't change my mind?). So, here it is. It's a matter of pride for God.
@lovemrdarcy Is not a matter of pride, is a matter of energy coming together because they are of the same nature. To be one with God you have to share God's conciousness. He wants our energy to go to Him, but we reject that. A Muslim can, a Christian or a Hindu, doesn't matter, all that matters is that you share his conciousness. You can have any Faith but you need to have true Faith (100% confidence) within that religion or Faith to be with God, otherwise is not physically possible. God Bless
@dejesusluisx "You can have any Faith but you need to have true Faith (100% confidence) within that religion or Faith to be with God, otherwise is not physically possible". What you say makes no sense. There were millions of people who lived and dies without ever hearing such thing as 'Faith','God' or know a religion. Man walked the earth for millions of years, what kind of God would give the 'gift' of knowing him only to a selected few that had the opportunity of a more modern life??
@lovemrdarcy That is the reason why Jesus came to this world to save those who didn’t know God. Every man has in him the seed that makes them realize there is something that transcends their existence. Every man knows what is good and what is bad, that is part of God’s manifestation. You can be saved even if you do not know God, if you are righteous, but your problem is that you already do know Him; so is your choice not to be with Him. Don’t blame Him He’s giving you a chance through me. GB
@dejesusluisx You keep forgetting that I don't have faith. You words about what Jesus reasons ( again, the reason that your human mind made up) is nonsense to me. Jesus for all that I found, is a copycat from pagan rituals. The virgin birth, the shinning star, do you know how many 'gods' before Jesus had the exact same story? The gospels, that the church lie to be 'witness account' were not written but after 40 or more years of a supposed Jesus. Get real. This is your illusion, not mine anymore.
@dejesusluisx ... cont. So, really. By the end of the day. It doesn't matter how good or bad I am. It only matter if I believe. I can be righteous, generous, caring but the rapist murderer down the block with his belief still gets more chance than I do. That's the beauty of belief. The 'unforgivable' sin is the sin of no belief. I can not honestly respect a God with such vain feeling of pride.
@lovemrdarcy If you are a true believer, 100% confident, you will not commit any of the sins you say. Christians that do is because they lost their Faith or are not entirely convinced. They are among the 90% or so ''church goers" that say they have Faith but they are not true belivers. I call them "just in case belivers". They believe just in case there is a God but they are not one with God. They are as lost as you are. Please open your eyes. God Bless
"Fundamentally, god is an invention of the human being, respectively, of the human brain, whereby, in the human being, over millions of years, the imaginary divinity has been inherited in a form of schizophrenic, epileptic delusion and has established itself in the temporal lobes as well as in the parietal lobes. Religious experiences which arise thereby constitute forms of schizophrenic delusion and are the result of a genetically inherited religious belief.
Billy Meier ,Theyfly.com
acat543 1 day ago
I agree but I don't believe that people should have pride in atheism, only disregard in faith. It's really a harsh reality and I solemnly wish I could just be another mind washed christian.
fetusfromspace 3 weeks ago
I had always been a Agnostic Hindu.
Now a Proud Atheist :)
Richard Dawkins and his book - God Delusion made me an Atheist :)
forgottenmemories63 3 weeks ago
I was never indoctrinated by my single parent mother (Yes I'm a proud bastard). Instead I was allowed to explore my concept of faith on my own. I am heavily an Agnostic who leans towards Atheism, with no value placed on omnipotent beings or non corporeal transcendence. I made my bed not believing when I was 10
deviantmonkey1 1 month ago
I don't have a godly religion because there are 1,000s of godly religions and all believe in a different way to go to "heaven." I don't believe in god because he's very absent and there is no good reason to believe a god exists. I don't believe in destiny because we have control over our decisions. I don't believe in divine intelligence because it's random chance with a label people attach meaning to.
TheClintond 2 months ago
Thx for sharing yer story, I went through a whole lot of head scratching, watching all kinds of videos from newage to UFO ~oligy on you tube, then i said screw this, if god and ufo's exist, he/they have got to show up and "stand Before Me" im still waiting,& its alot easier now to deal with all this crazy superstitous, supernatural BS.. I just finished reading the Demon Haunted world today...
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JezusSlave 2 months ago
God holds mankind responsible for sins he knew we would commit before the foundation of the world, then sends his son to die in a blood sacrifice to save us from a punishment he first implemented to in turn save us from a hell he created.
To use a term maybe over used- CHECK MATE!
God's gift of free will only keeps Gods hands clean of responsibility for knowing most of us would burn in hell for "sins" he knew we would commit before time and space began.
metalsusa1 2 months ago
This is pretty much how it happened for me, logically.
GBart 2 months ago
Thank you so very much for sharing your story with us! I've been an atheist since my grandma told me I don't question or doubt dog, oh, excuse me, I mean...god. I was five at the time. ;~) So, I don't really remember at time in my life when I may have had a god belief. It's kinda why I've been hooked on de-conversion stories. It's truly hard for me to understand how religious people believe this stuff.
christallh24 2 months ago
@christallh24 this is funny because my grandpa (and dad) encouraged me to be skeptic when i questioned the religion my mom raised me into (christianity). i asked many questions, and my grandpa (who has read the entire bible many times and studied many many other books throughout his long life) helped me out a lot in letting go of that fear of "displeasing god" and becoming a happy, free, and more logic individual and accept that god is an imaginary "filler" of the unknown.
i8splendidpizzapi 2 months ago
@christallh24 i'm really glad to have that kind of support :) although i do secretly wish i had the entire world's support. there would be nothing but peace and unity <3
i8splendidpizzapi 2 months ago
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- hey mr. Physicist, the Plank's Constant is not that constant at all, ya should know better than that;
- " ideas like global warming that have no scientific basis come up." psst let me tell you another secret, .. Global warming affects both flora and fauna so biologists lnow what they are talking about.
"Then we have a bunch of uneducated idiots armed with a little scientific knowledge running around spewing false ideas."
... hahaha, you've just described yourself "mr. youtube physicist"
ZZzzzzzWhat 2 months ago
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- even if (even if!!) the universe was described as a system with constants, rules, laws, etc, it would not point out to have been designed since all theses physic-natural laws are subjected to random events which do not describe an "intention".
- I'm sure you ignore the "constants, rules, laws" .. when it comes to evolutionary biology/phylogenetic tree. Yap no designer there.
- Oh and btw, i'm a youtube PhD on Biology and Philosophyin case you don't know.
ZZzzzzzWhat 2 months ago
@ZZzzzzzWhat No one ever said God did, I said if you had a half decent Education in Math/Science it'd be pretty obvious the Universe was a non chaotic system. As far as the Subatomic scale, that can be calculated with Plank's Constant (Another Constant). The whole point is their are rules / laws to the universe and it is an orderly system. No one said God did it, it could all be a simulation like a video game, However someone or something did create and it did not occur randomly.
lion575 2 months ago
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@lion575 "No one ever said God did...However someone or something did create and it" Humm, I wonder who the "designer of the universe" if it is not a deity?
"it'd be pretty obvious the Universe was a non chaotic system." If it -was not-, then it -is- now.
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"I would hardly call Evolutionary Biology a science" LOL, Hey mr "Physicist" let me tell you a secret: a biologist is still a scientist, they also use the scientific method.
ZZzzzzzWhat 2 months ago
@ZZzzzzzWhat Nope, I believe in evolution, but I would hardly call Evolutionary Biology a science or someone who studies it a scientist. They are a lot closer to an Archeologist or Natural Historian than a Scientist. When Biologists try to get involved in scientific topics, ideas like global warming that have no scientific basis come up. Then we have a bunch of uneducated idiots armed with a little scientific knowledge running around spewing false ideas.
lion575 2 months ago
@lion575 In other words all your saying is a god designed it. How smart....fail
spareaxe 1 month ago
It seems like Baptists drive people to Atheism. One illogical extreme drives people to the illogical extreme on the other end of the spectrum.
lion575 2 months ago
i like your videos i started to have doubts and so i tried exploring and learning and understanding more about religeon and science and now i am in an argument withh a kid at my high school who believes in god so im watching your videos to show him the truth
vDrizzit 3 months ago
Christianity defies human nature: from an atheists point of view christianity would simply have been created by a man. But, if you were to make a religion would you make every natural instinct a sin? Also, it defies society, at the time of course the dominent societies were Roman and Jewish, i wont go into what they were like but they were nothing like the Christian philosophy. Jesus, had no education and therefore should have been susceptable to human nature and society
Schism704 3 months ago
in a time where i felt so lost and scared. And shortly after I felt this love and peace inside of me like i've never expericened before. And I came to reliease, Jesus loves me with such pure love, it was unexplainable, utteraly suppernatural. I know Jesus is alive in me and loves me!! And because of that I have a undescridible need to love others as Christ has loved me. So love you as a person no matter what!! and God bless!!!
fanfave101 3 months ago
if you have never heard of Jesus, you dont go to hell, Thats not fare your absoulty right about this. God is a just God, that why it is not true. TRUST ME IM NOT TRYING TO BE OFFENCEIVE . I honestly have a couriousty to understand where you and other athesits like you are comming from. But at the same time i had been going through though times. My mom had passed away, my father and I were not on the best of terms and I WAS SO CONFUSED!! So i paryed , i prayed for peace love and understanding...
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church of god ministry of jesus christ international, the one true church because it's the only one that has prophecy to each individual human. go and investigate it before you judge me, i took the time to type this because other people talk about god without ever hearing god talk to them personally.
lizardstyle101 3 months ago
wounderful to know that there are more americans speking out on this subject. In england god and religion is not such hot topic if any of our politician or people in office mention god they are usually considered unstable. a bronze age sheep hurder. good luck dude keep the faith and question the universe.
subbtopp 4 months ago
(...) "Look at how the laws of the universe could not have come just spontaneously." The laws of the universe aka the laws of physics are well explained, they were not spontaneous nor they needed a 'creator'.
The Bible is not history, its historically inspired.
"Why is it that, back in the day, people were obsessed with the gods?" Superstition was the only means for the ancient people to get answers since there was no science to obtain them. There's no need for superstition anymore.
ZZzzzzzWhat 4 months ago
@ZZzzzzzWhat Im a Systems Engineer and Physicist and can't agree with what your saying. Just like any system has constants, rules, laws, etc ... so to does the universe. If for example the Universe had a Gravitational constant that changed and no standards it could be argued the Universe was random, but it doesnt. It is 6.674×10−11 N m2 kg−2. The universe is a structured system with rules / laws / etc .... . It required design.
lion575 2 months ago
@lion575 lol it's not the first time i see a "youtube physicist". So, could you provide some sources for your "Cosmological argument"(website?, a book?), i'm really interested on how original you William Lane Craig fans can be.
Furthermore, the universe being 99,999..% hostile, chaotic and impersonal would only prove a ...dumb designer.
ZZzzzzzWhat 2 months ago 3
@ZZzzzzzWhat My Source???? The only hard example I threw out was was the Universe having a gravitational constant of 6.674×10−11 N m2 kg−2. The source for that would be Issac Newton. For any other implied examples I gave check any Physics book. The Universe is exactly the opposite of how you describe it (i.e. as being 99.9999 % chaotic), If you need a source for that I'd recommend taking a few higher level physics and Math courses as well as quantum mechanics.
lion575 2 months ago
@lion575 lolwut? by the universe having a "gravitational constant of 6.674×10−11 N m2 kg−2".. therefore Goddidit! lol, you place a lot of 'faith' on the metaphysics don't ya?
tell you what mr "Physicist"
- a true scientist, Physicist, or even academic would NEVER use the "god of the gaps" argument;
- The universe is UNQUESTIONABLE 99,999..% hostile, chaotic and impersonal;
- The Newtonian model does NOT apply the same way on the sub atomic scale (Quantum mechanics). (...)
ZZzzzzzWhat 2 months ago
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In my experience most atheists are not very good at reasoning. why? Because most of them used to be christians, and christians are not very good at reasoning (which is why they exist).
I have an argument for the belief in god - or something god-like anyway. However, whenever I present it I am surprised at how incompetent the atheist responses are.
Clear404 5 months ago
The questions that this man had asked are very good questions. He has an opened mind which is what religion likes to squish. Look at God from a scientific way. Look at how the laws of the universe could not have come just spontaneously. Question what the Bible is saying in order to see what it's trying to get across. The Bible is history that the world itself is uncovering. Why is it that, back in the day, people were obsessed with the gods?
Alexus2990 6 months ago
@Alexus2990 hi there, sorry i only saw your comment response now.
"I don't get my facts from what they say, I look into the Bible myself and try to decode it. "your personal interpretation, or 'decoding' are not facts, you should search for the meaning of "fact".
"the key to know why certain things happened." which things?
" Look at how the laws of the universe could not have come just spontaneously." 99,999..% of the universe is chaotic and hostile (not a sign of intelligent creation) (...)
ZZzzzzzWhat 4 months ago
@ZZzzzzzWhat - Ummm, not really. I don't consider myself to be of any denomination because I don't get my facts from what they say, I look into the Bible myself and try to decode it. From what I've learned has only increased my belief that there most certainly is a God and that understanding is the key to know why certain things happened. From what I've seen, christians won't look beyond certain aspects that don't fit logically and when Atheist do they just throw the whole concept of God away.
Alexus2990 6 months ago
(god is not necessary)
christian response: oh satan just convinced you to think that! don't listen to him!
atheist response: so....my brain is satan...thanks for the weirdness dude
MrWAZZAPDUDE 7 months ago
thumbs up if u are an atheist
mustaine8282 7 months ago 2
thumbs up if u are an athiest
mustaine8282 7 months ago 18
The reason atheists come up so much is because there are blind Christians that try to instill these teachings into other people but they have no clue about what they actually believe. I used to be a die hard atheist, but then I did research and stayed as far away as possible from blind Christians because all I would get was circular thinking. After years of research I finally was converted, and aside from his parents horrendous thinking, God won't judge people on something as savage as religion.
CreationIsLogic 7 months ago 2
your mother and your father taught you wrong people who have not heard about Jesus are judged on what they know
jjnhok 7 months ago
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Atheists tend to have higher rates of obesity (see video as evidence), depression, suicide, isolation, mental illness, health difficulties, substance abuse, and tend to be quarrelsome, angry white men (see video as evidence). Atheists do not marry, produce offspring or live as long. Atheism is not considered sexually attractive by most females. Some ( "The Irrational Atheist" and Wired Magazine) support the idea atheism may be a form of Aspergers Syndrome holding at 2.3% of the population.
moonlightbateman 7 months ago
THE TRUTH-UH SHALL SET YOU FREE-UH
DrShakesBALLIN 7 months ago
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"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
ThePredatorElder 8 months ago
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"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
ThePredatorElder 8 months ago
Eh no. YOU ARE stupid.
kioper207 8 months ago
Well done. Now you are free.
It shows how when you ask questions and open your eyes.
Religion is just an invention. It has been enforced by fear and violence throughout history. Now it is culturally indoctrinated.
When you learn about the science behind the world God diappears in a puff of logic.
It is fortunate that it is the fundamentalists that will bring the downfall of religion as they cause people to defend thier faiths and that can mean asking questions.
VideoAudioDisco09 8 months ago
its amazing to me how many catholics become atheists.listen to what this guy says his mother taught him. is that catholic doctrine?no wonder so many become atheists.
charliebuck1000 8 months ago
go to amightywind...
3Heavenly3Yaweh3 8 months ago
I've listened to many "why I am atheist" videos, the truth is you have no idea what the truth is about yourself, just regurgitating your memory of the process doesn't tell you why, only how it came about. So I'll help you out.
I became atheist when I became defiant, I also failed puberty, I aged but did not mature into a man because I was afraid, a scared little boy.
Now I believe, so I leave you with this, just FORGET religion.
Religion is not God. Don't confuse the 2.
jonesgerard 9 months ago
Great story man :D I live in Norway and to be honest it's a lot more normal to have atheist beliefs rather than religious beliefs here. People who actually believe in God are almost made fun of here, I'm not saying it's right to make fun of other people's beliefs, but I'm saying I understand why it's easy to make fun of people who ignore logic and common sense when it comes to religion.
Dregge1 9 months ago 3
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ol...even historians (a non religious occupation) say that Jesus died on the cross. They try as hard as they can to twist the truth but they just can't.
Carvis83 9 months ago
Lol...even historians (a non religious occupation) say that Jesus died on the cross. They try as hard as they can to twist the truth but they just can't.
Carvis83 9 months ago
I like how this guy says "I asked my mom" "I asked my mom" "I asked my mom" ...is your mother a biblical scholar? Most of the things you spoke about here are very wrong, and comes from a very misunderstanding of the Bible. Maybe you should have asked yourself, instead of your mother, after you tried to read. Maybe....
78Divini 9 months ago
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Dear Atheists,
we understand that our beliefs are foolish to you, and some stuff we say seem absolute bullcrap. If you upload videos and comments for the sake of us staying away and not bothering you, we get your message.
But understand that, if you are wrong, there are always consequnces, and there are plenty of signs out there, not in the bible, that proves existence of a super natural being. Ask CS Lewis, the writer of Narnia ;)
zcuzcu 9 months ago
When someone asks me whether I believe in god, I say "Which one?'
ndrthrdr1 9 months ago 34
@ndrthrdr1 "When someone asks me whether I believe in god, I say "Which one?'
I reply , not your invisible freind who thinks he is God, your ego.
The One who has Truth and real Power to overcome Self.
I abandoned atheism when I got fed up of my own defiance, I started to investiagte hard science and found God's fingerprint all over quantum physics. Like this, watch?v=ee2jtmhyO8Q
and Very Unusual Proof for the Existence of God:
watch?v=Kj8UdHuP5l8
jonesgerard 9 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Clever, I might use that now. Whenever someone asks me "Do you believe in God?" I say "No, I don't believe in any gods."
FunAssFunProductions 3 months ago
Religion is hard to believe because the story in the bible isn't the story that the bible spawned from. Read the book of Enki by Zecharia Sitchen. God is not a he or she or an it, God is THEM. Learn of the Annunaki, and the ancient Sumerians. The original version of Genesis is MUCH more scientific in nature and BELIEVABLE. Know that there is a god, but it's not the god our minds have been conditioned to imagine. Not 1 super natural entity, but MANY of an extra-terrestrial race that visited earth
Nakor420ish 10 months ago
I look at god like this: 13 billion years ago he wrote all of the "source code" that defines how everything in the universe works at the most fundamental level. Then he set it in motion and walked away and has been hands off ever since. Or perhaps these fundamental rules are actually god. Who knows? But one thing is for certain, a bunch of primitive mumbo jumbo in some supposedly ancient book is not how it really went down.
gr8mikeY 10 months ago
@gr8mikeY
right on mikey !!! one thing we can't escape from : we are ruled by the laws of matter, time and chance... you can call them God or what you wish, but the idea of a god responsible of everything that happens to us and infinitely good doesn't hold water....real intellectual honesty will at least bring one to profess agnosticism....atheism is maybe a little too definitive...let's say I'm a skeptical agnostic...(excuse my english, I'm a french-speaking swiss...all the best to you
philswolf 9 months ago
EVERYBODY STFU ARGUEING, were all going to die and get put in a box and get buried, and if you believe the fairytale of heaven.. Good for you believe it.. But dont try and force the idea down other peoples neck. -- 16 year old, ireland.
IIxSmgYxII 10 months ago
@IIxSmgYxII thinkin about death at 16 is not normal:)
esraretin 10 months ago
@esraretin ? how is that not normal? so what ? when you hit a magic age like 30? EVERYBODY SUDDENLY has their first tought about death ?
no, you fucking idiot.
death is apart of life ANYONE with a brain has tought about it
i dont fear death.
IIxSmgYxII 10 months ago
@IIxSmgYxII lol im sure u dont...say that after 14 years ok? u re just young now i was young too i know who u assume urself
esraretin 10 months ago
I want you to know religion has nothing to do with our existence open your eyes and take look the facts check my channel you will find out what is life form and how it became to be I'm going to add five more video clips on Saturday!
Levon9404 10 months ago
I think you are wrong my friend..it seems that you are still undecided..Christianity has 800 versions of the bible...my suggestion to..and its only a suggestion you have nothing to lose...Read the quran..if you dont believe it you dont believe but it has an answer for everything..read it and surprise yourself
Peace
ChooseHeaven 10 months ago
Hey bro, I was catholic about a month ago until I became a voracious reader of quantum mechanics and string theory. The only book I read on your list is The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene and I recently bought his latest book called the Hidden Reality. About two weeks ago, I started to have atheistic views and now I am glad to say that I am a full blown atheist!
FallofDarkness55 11 months ago
the only god out there is physics, chemistry and biology enough said
74gore 11 months ago
@74gore God does not exist period. You cannot combine religion with science.
FallofDarkness55 11 months ago
@FallofDarkness55
yeah, i know, but if u actually think about it, everything runs on the bases of science.
and i am an atheist like u, but if we "must" conclude a god, then science is the only god because it's the only thing that can provide answer
74gore 11 months ago
@74gore i see where you're coming from now and yes i agree. if anyone must use the term 'god' then 'god'=science, like you said. sorry about my accusation of you being a theist.
FallofDarkness55 11 months ago
@FallofDarkness55
it's all good. i probably should have stated myself more clear in the first place
74gore 11 months ago
dude... scientific, mathematical PROOF of the existence of a CREATOR of this temporal reality we perceive
eternalbliss.webs.com
ReligionlessFAITH 11 months ago
It's ironic how most atheists like me become atheists after a process of trying to learn and understand more about religion and the bible. The more you seek, the sooner you become a disbeliever.
ZZzzzzzWhat 11 months ago 42
@ZZzzzzzWhat That's funny because I have not met an Atheist yet who has explained that Judaism doesn't believe in hell, Satan is not the boogyman, or anyone who can explain 1 story in the Torah, Tanach, or Bible properly. Kinda funny for someone to claim they sought knowledge, got it, and left when they can't even repeat a story properly. They cling to the false idea that the Old Testament is an Angry God and the New Testament is suddenly a Loving good God. Which is very untrue.
78Divini 9 months ago
@78Divini Not sure what u mean about "an Atheist yet who has explained that Judaism doesn't believe in hell", and i doubt that even if i was a Torah/Tanach literate i wouldn't reach the standards to contradict ur stronghold of belief. Don't know why u say i can't repeat 'the story' properly or that i'm a supporter of the ambiguity of a good/angry god of the OT/NT (which btw i agree with u), i don't remember arguing with u before so i don't know y would say that, sounds quite condescending of u.
ZZzzzzzWhat 9 months ago
@ZZzzzzzWhat Because I came to watch a video of a guy who explains why he became an Atheist. Instead of explaining or debating, you brought up points that do not exist. You brought up stories that are not even told right, and the explaining you did was false information and nowhere in the bible. So the point is simple. You came to a conclusion to be an Atheist, and i have no problem with you or you being an Atheist. I do however find it very strange that your points for reaching this, are false
78Divini 9 months ago
@78Divini "You brought up stories... points that don't exist... false information and nowhere in the bible"?? were did you get all of this? from a 3 line commentary? wtf are u talking about? 'my points for reaching this, are false'? which points?
Me becoming an atheist is like deciding not to eat eggs all of the sudden? Are you serious or a Poe?
ZZzzzzzWhat 9 months ago
@ZZzzzzzWhat To explain, this would be like me saying "I decided to eat donuts today, instead of eggs, because everyone knows Eggs gives you cancer the first time you eat it. Eggs have chemicals that are not natural to nature, and poisons within the egg are used in most insecticides. So I decided to never eat eggs again, and I am gonna eat donuts instead!" Nobody would be pissed or upset that I choose donuts over eggs, but they would question my facts, and reasons behind it.
78Divini 9 months ago
@ZZzzzzzWhat Well, you're just too stupid to think: 'Why?' and 'How?' yeah, that's right you. Why would "God" make me an atheist..? Oh yeah, God does NOT excist! How can you be so ignorant, omg. you're stupid. Fuck it if I'm going to hell, I'd rather be playing cards with 'Satan' then 'God'.. Oh wait, the both do NOT excist.
Dennisrawr 9 months ago
@Dennisrawr as i can see from your last comments you are also insulting christians. it's clear thats you have problems and you are just a troll seeking for attention. Go search somewhere else kid, i don't have time for emotional disturbed kids like you.
ZZzzzzzWhat 9 months ago
@ZZzzzzzWhat No, no it's not that. It's just that you crazy extreme christians need to shut the fuck up. (=
Dennisrawr 9 months ago
@Dennisrawr
If you read my comment with more attention you would see that i'm an atheist. I think the words "most atheists like me" are very clear.
ZZzzzzzWhat 9 months ago
@ZZzzzzzWhat i seeked out the truth of god and i became i disbeliever. i went to church all the time, here i am.
leighleebabe 7 months ago
@leighleebabe it's not an achievement, it a natural process :)
ZZzzzzzWhat 7 months ago
@ZZzzzzzWhat Understanding the bible is the first step but to be a true Atheist meaning erasing any doubt whatsoever you must come to a logical, philosophical conclusion gleened from understanding reality. Many Atheists who have not done this just simply cling to science. The more you understand reality the more you see through any sort of Super Being/God. This type of Atheist cannot be converted to any religion because he sees the logical error of projecting a super human state over reality.
Luigi84289 4 months ago
@Luigi84289 True, science has a crucial part on the process.
ZZzzzzzWhat 4 months ago
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@ZZzzzzzWhat Isaac Asimov said the Bible is the best evidence against God. For great analysis of the facts about the Bible & other old Writ & comparative religion try also John W. Loftus, Robert M. Price, Dan Barker, Valerie Tarico, Ken Humphreys, Keith Parsons, Ken Pulliam, David Mills, Gary Greenberg, Bart Ehrman, Joseph Wheless, C. Dennis Mckinsey, Richard Carrier, Christopher Hitchens, Bertrand Russell, Israel Finkelstein, James Frazer, Jason Long, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins
zytigon 4 months ago
Very true, something very similar happened to me.
FunAssFunProductions 3 months ago
thank you for making this video and speaking up. there are still so many scared atheists hiding under their blankets.. you are inspirational.
Spyderschwinky 11 months ago
I started to become a Atheist in 1994 when my "savior" appeared in the sky. ;-)
It was on the news for weeks and then died violently. It was comet Shoemaker Levy 9. At the time, something sparked in my Christian brainwashed mind and that icy space rock fascinated the heck out of me. I bought a whole library of Astronomy books and a telescope. Soon after, i wanted to know the real story about life on Earth and started studying that, which ended my life as a Christian. Science wins by a mile.
JabberCT 11 months ago 2
I don't believe in God, i believe in Science.....
Tabitha43 1 year ago 2
hahaha god is a believe nad JESUS was a normal person, he was a very good person, and they call it an OMaGic, anyway people that r giving money 2 churchs, u r hilarious! im gonna make my church cuz they r millionaire just by that! :D! im so happy by the IDEA
wolfcrapshit 1 year ago
Atheist? How can you not believe in something that doesn't exist. Makes no sense. If God doesn't exist then there is nothing to not believe in.. Atheist are just people that just choose to leave God because because they are angry.
cguiton10 1 year ago
@cguiton10 I think you're confused about the definition of Atheism. Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god or gods. I think you seem to think it is the belief that there are no gods, which is wrong. There is no God, so there is no belief in a god. It's very easy to understand. As for the angry part, watch this, and don't comment back until you have. /watch?v=IXMWlWbwIe0
dkamm65 1 year ago
@dkamm65 What is our point? God allows me not to be stressed because i have faith he will get me through any obstacle, and he has! Athiest must try to get everything done by there own strength but we do not. we have a God that looks out for us allowing us to be happy and stress free. When atheist have a problem they get upset because they have nobody to ask for help when we have a problem its all good because God helps us. I choose to live my life with God on my side. GOD IS SO GOOD..
cguiton10 1 year ago
@cguiton10 So you're telling me that you are weak and god is a crutch? lol Okay...
dkamm65 1 year ago
@dkamm65 Uhhh YES EXACTLY.. we are ALL WEAK.. So would you rather be weak with a crutch or without one..?? Hmmm.. I say I'd rather have a crutch. =-)
cguiton10 11 months ago
@cguiton10 Speak for yourself.
dkamm65 11 months ago
@cguiton10 LOL! (because you are laughably ignorant)
BIJMOZ 1 year ago
@BIJMOZ Athiest are people that are mad at God. I know who my savior is and he has proven himself over and over and over again. Im not ignorant i just know that God is good all the time i will keep you in my prayers.
cguiton10 1 year ago
@cguiton10 Thanks for keeping me in your prayers, but Atheists are people who think that there is not sufficient evidence for God. I am an Antitheist, which means that there is a God he is immoral and religion is a source for evil and/or ignorance in the world, and it is detrimental to the advancement of humanity. Of course I'm not angry with God. I don't think there is a God... That's ridiculous.
BIJMOZ 1 year ago
So I notice that most of the comments here are plain wishes and prayers for this guy to reconvert.
No one here understands the reasons why he deconverted and no one wants to use any actual argument in which he should have any reason whatsoever to rejoin your mind trapping cult.
Christians out there, how about you try to educate yourself on the enemy to ''strengthen your faith'' and actually learn something instead of sitting in your little jesus room and ignoring whatever you hear outside
TheGreatHoubini 1 year ago
if you love your mother and father and you know that they love you, then, you should trust what they tell you. For jesus christ Is love. you like many want god now, in the flesh, appealing to your mind. but it is the spirit that is of god. jesus was a man, but with the actual spirit of god . the essence.
The spirit wars with the flesh and vice versa. All science will give you is a theoretical overload which leads ,definitely, to an empty unhappiness. The mind is not to be trusted. blessings//
benalchemist74 1 year ago
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thezob101 1 year ago
Reasons why I don't believe you were ever a Christian:
1. All Christians know of the Last Judgment where EVERYONE will be judged for their doings (believers and nonbelievers alike)
2. All Christians understand that Islam came about 600 years AFTER thus it has no precedence over Biblical claims.
3. "Other have read it since...said it probably didn't"
Well AGAIN that is subjective.
Your arguments are very weak...I could understand how you never made a good Christian.
smp1smp2smp3 1 year ago
We can know Him. The Bible is a path to Him. The Bible isn't proof, nor is it supposed to be. Experiencing is the evidence. Without experience, the Bible would be just another book. If you experience Jesus first hand, then the Bible starts to be understandable and things start to fall into place.
There is nothing ignorant or spineless in experiencing God. When you meet Jesus, when you connect, the experience transcends your intellect. Keep your heart open.
MrSS58 1 year ago
@MrSS58 "meeting" jesus, is you tricking yourself into thinking that you have found him. And once you have done that, I agree...... your intellect goes down the shithole.
I live my life by logical thinking. Logic is the only thing we can go by, and it's the only thing we can truly use to educate ourselves, and become more advanced as human beings. (experiancing things can also contribute) Your beliefs in religion and jesus christ will only slow the world down.
xxxDrDEWofCovtownxxx 1 year ago
Why is it logical that you think I am tricking myself? Is it just because you do not have the same experience? There are millions who do have similar experiences of God. It seems to me that logically, YOU are out of step. Does your logic say that everyone else is wrong?
What is logical about the bad things we do, such as overeating? What holds us back from logical choices to eat right? What is "the thing you are going by" when you over-eat. We all do bad things? Why is that?
MrSS58 1 year ago
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tr3bomb 1 year ago
This isn't an intellectual exercise. Do you think that Christians got to be Christians by studying? The "Grand Beauty that Sprung Up?" Is this where all your seeking led? Hmmm . . .
I wish I could put into your head the experience of God and Jesus. It isn't something that science and reading can reach. Jesus doesn't come to us on our terms. He isn't an equation or mythological system. Open your heart to a relationship. It's not about you, it is about Him. You cannot understand Him.
MrSS58 1 year ago
@MrSS58 so we can't understand him, and we can't see him, and the only thing that tells us he is real is the bible. And we should all take the bible for granted, no question asked, end of story?
If your that much of an ignorant, spineless follower, I feel sorry for you.
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MrSS58 1 year ago
good vid man!
blackwoodjankins 1 year ago
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if god was real then nobody would be a sinner and if thats not true then he is our enabler, THERES NO WAY AROUND IT,now people can make it sound like something else but the truth is IF HES REAL HES A DEAD WRONG ENABLER & IF NOT THEN WE ARE JUST SOPHISTICATED ANIMALS WITH EMOTIONAL ISSUES, otherwords we are as important as the ant crawling on my window seal, the only difference is the ant knows its mission...we dont know shit but what our so called intelligent mind wants to know.. so liv an die
blackwoodjankins 1 year ago
WOW! I only commented half way through. I just read the Demon Haunted World. 659,820,234 cool points for you!
Dennygieck 1 year ago
Great video! I'm glad you freed yourself! Congratulations! =D
Dennygieck 1 year ago
And last but not least, the classic:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
If you say ...'he's too complex to understand' then how can anyone claim to know what he wants and think? Logic says that probably God does not exist. Unless of course you have faith. Then logic does not apply.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
In order to solve this Epicurus dilema, you need to define evil. Natural events are NOT evil. Man made events are evil, then man can stop evil because this was his doing. If you want God to do man's job, then you want a servant, not a God.
You can quote me on that one. Is not 2000 yrs old, is brand new. Or maybe better yet, quote the Holy Spirit, if you know what I mean. God Bless
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx Natural events are not evil in the sense that nature does not have an intention. AS I SAID, by evil in nature I mean suffering . There exist instances of intense suffering which an omnipotent, omniscient being could without losing some greater good or permitting some evil equally bad or worse. But even for the evil caused by men, an omnipotent being, who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
NO SOUND??
sparkaleshish 1 year ago
The Bible can not be understood literally. When people try to interpret it themselves or get wrong advice, they could end up where you are. A living God had spoken to many people over the centuries. This is kept in the Church traditions. The Bible is not the only source. The Bible is not the word from God is the inspired word from God, written by flawed men over many centuries. I’m afraid your quest has taken you from one Faith to another since Atheism is a Faith. God Bless.
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx "Atheism is a Faith". No, it is not. This is a dishonest fallacy from believers. Faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. Read the definition of atheism There you will find that atheism is is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Maybe your disbelief in fairies requires Faith? Or you discard them because you never saw any evidence for them? If you need 'Faith' to conclude that fairies don't exist, you need some help.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy How do you explain Free Will, Soul, Love, a self programming brain, directionality of creation and meaning of life outside religious realms?. If you have an explanation for those, I’m sure is described as matter of Faith. Until you bring unbiased scientific proof with empirical data to support the origin of those Human REALITIES, I’ll stand by my argument that atheism is a Faith. If you don’t know and/or don’t care you are probably an agnostic and I will respect that. God Bless.
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx No dejesus, until YOU bring unbiased scientific proof with empirical data to support the origin of these human REALITIES, other than , Goddidti!, then you can stand up ANY argument. Until there, you are left with your dishonesty of trying to put the burden of proof on the other side. I am an agnostic atheist. Atheists don't make claims of knowlegde, believers do. They KNOW that a god exist. I am as much agnostic in God as you are in Faiires. You need the blessing more than I do.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy The accepted knowledge always stands until the new knowledge is proven. In the 16 century Galileo had to prove the heliocentric theory vs the geocentric dogma of the time. He didn’t said: “you are all wrong, prove the geocentric theory is right”. I didn’t ask you to prove me that God did not exist, all I ask is for you to prove scientifically the origins humane attributes like free will, which we know exists cause we are here, vs the accepted dogma. God Bless.
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx Well dejesus, what is exactly the 'accepted dogma'? The accepted dogma that you refer about is not God? Isn't the 'accepted dogma' that all these exist because a God exist? So you are requiring here a scientific proof vs your accepted dogma ( Existence of God). In other words, you are requiring scientific proof that god does not exist. More interesting, the challenger has to be scientifically proven beyond doubt, but you don't require the 'dogma' to have the same level of proof.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx "The accepted knowledge always stands until the new knowledge is proven." And again... if anyone claims a 'knowledge' here, that is you ..the knowledge that there is a god. If you can scientifically prove your claim, please do so. And also, I think that more than being dishonest for the sake of winning an argument, you should consider if it's honest with yourself about how serious your are about scientific explanations for anything...
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx cont... Why pretend to be concern about scientific explanations for the origins of humane attributes when, for you 'accepted dogma' , science did not matter at all? You can not even claim that your 'accepted dogma' is anymore valid that the 'accepted dogma' that Hindus have it. So, if you are to pretend you make your decisions on what to believe based on scientific, empirical data, you must apply this 'rigid' filter to all things you accept. ...
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx You can't have it both ways. You can't have an accepted idea in your head that you took it on faith and then expect science to live up to that. Unless you got to the conclusion (knowledge) that God exist with a scientific method -- and then it would be honest for you to say that you would compare both evidences --- but that is not the case. For God you give a pass, for any other alternative, you wear your 'scientific standard'. It seems to me you are fooling yourself.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy No new information whatsoever. My original argument was that Atheism is a Faith. As you well pointed “Faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence”, then atheists belief that God does not exits need to be proven with material evidence otherwise is Faith. Theist by definition, do not need that. Show your evidence, and if you do not have it, stop defending the indefeasible. Don’t loose your soul over a silly stance or to try to outsmart someone. God Bless
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx It seems it's you trying hard to outsmart yourself because you apparently struggle with the idea of having only faith to justify your choice. And tries hard to compensate with twisted logic. 'Your belief that Fairies do not exist need to be proven with material evidence otherwise is Faith". If you agree with this, show your evidence or admit you have faith that fairies do not exist. It's actually embarrassing for yourself how easy this fallacy can be debunked.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@dejesus I don't really care for outsmarting anyone and it really it does take that much for this fallacy you tried. Any dictionary or definition of atheism can give you the well known explanation that faith is to atheism what hair color is for baldness. I understand the urge to defend your side but these tricks only give the impression that you guys are not serious anymore because it does seem flat out dishonesty. ..
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx ... cont. There is a certain dignity in those old fashionable, classic believers that do not worry about trying to justify with logic ( or reverse logic) their faith. There is a dignity in being humble enough to admit that they couldn't care less about reason or science and are proud that they have faith in something while others don't. They don't try to defend what is indefensible like you do. Thanks for the blessing. If the blesser is not real, at least I know your intention is.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy See below my argument: " I do not need science to understand my Faith." Did you missed it?. You have not given a single reason to justify your rebuttal that atheism is not Faith, it is because the non-existence of God can only be proven by Faith. Once again my challenge stand: “Just prove the origin of free will without using any Faith argument and you will get my praise and respect” or did you missed that one too? Personal attacks are useless. Just present the facts. God Bless.
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx First of all, there were no more personal attacks from my side than there were from your side. Let's be just here because it's annoying when one of the sides start playing the victim card. "You have not given a single reason to justify your rebuttal that atheism is not Faith". Man, have you read my posts??? It's not possible that YOU missed. I explained several times that this is a fallacy by the simple definition of atheism. Google your own question and you will get more.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy Actually, I take the line about personal attacks back. You must be referring to the fact that I called you dishonest. In this case I still think you are a dishonest debater and I gave my reasons to why ( the atheism 'faith' is a well known fallacy). But I'm sure that no foul language has been directed to you.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx ... what you are doing here is simple repeating an argument over an over again because you are not listening the answer you WISH. It's childish. More than answer your question on atheism I even invited you to experiment my side: 'Your belief that Fairies do not exist need to be proven with material evidence otherwise is Faith". If you can se the nonsense on this phrase, you can finally get the point. Try harder.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
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@dejesusluisx "I don't need science to understand my Faith". Good for you, life is much easier when you have one answer that fits everything and never needs to be thought over. "the non-existence of God can only be proven by Faith." You whole argument then is that if God can not be disproven by science, therefore he exists. Again dejesus, this is getting old... think: The non-existence of FAiRY can only be proven by faith. Are you an agnostic about fairies? You never answered this question.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx "Once again my challenge stand: Just prove the origin of free will without using any Faith argument and you will get my praise and respect” LOL. That's how you base what you believe? If a random person on youtube can not proof to you the origin of free will, then God exist? What kind of lower standard is that? If you were waiting for only this answer to 'WIN' your argument, you have it: I can't prove anything. I'm not even a scientist or philosopher, in case you took me for one.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx "Once again my challenge stand : ... free will blah, blah" . Dejesus, why do you gain from challenging others (when you are not even interested otherwise you would research) ? It would be much more rewarding to you if you challenge yourself. if you took faith to be the standard for all your beliefs, then really, there is no more thinking to do. Notice that you closed your mind forever. This ' I can not explain, therefore God did it' is a lazy way of go on with our lives.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy Imagine a friend tells you that your significant other don’t love you. What would you say? You will probably ask: how do you know? And if your couple demonstrates this love to you then you would probably be very skeptic of you friend argument, right? Unless you friend brings evidence that the argument is true. Fairies are not established dogma. When there is an established dogma the new knowledge needs evidence to be sustained. I hope you get it this time. God Bless.
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx Dejesus, your example about friends is confusing. It does not involve supernatural beings with no evidence nor scientific proof as you were requiring. It seems like you are trying to get out of the question I gave back. Dogma is another word of belief, if it's established or accepted, this by itself does not prove it as real. If you go by this logic, then you have the problem that you just picked one dogma among hundreds of others religions. ...
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx Scientology has its dogmas. Mormons have their dogmas. Muslims. One crazier than other. Still all these religions are accepted dogmas. It's not possible that all of you are right but it's quite possible that you are all wrong. For the matter of evidence and what atheism is, that you pick one of those accepted dogmas or picked fairies to believe, it's the same level of evidence -- Do you agree that Allah is not proved just because there is an established dogma that says he does?
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy Answer #2 Dogmas. Any person, in any religion, can have God’s grace; this was accepted in Vatican II. Religious dogmas do not determine your Faith in God. You could have the craziest belief but you are righteous and live under God’s laws and you can be saved. God is a personal God. God was before religions, before the Bible, before man, and before TIME. Live under God’s love and you will be saved. Dogmas were created by man to try to understand God. God Bless.
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx "You could have the craziest belief but you are righteous and live under God’s laws and you can be saved." Which are the God's laws exactly? How can someone that never heard of god follow such laws? And why is so important for believers that others subscribe to their laws? And saved from what exactly? If a person is righteous, loving towards humanity, caring, what difference does it make if she/he has faith or not in a supermatural being?
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy All that is good originates from God, regardless it is originated by religious or seculars, regardless you do it or I do it. Religion is not God, religion is just a tool to know and understand God. God is present in the love you give to your family, even when you deny him. God is acting upon you every time your conscience tells you not do something that could get you into trouble. The difference is that when you understand this, all becomes clearer and life gets a meaning.God Bless
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
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@dejesusluisx "All that is good originates from God".... ( and all evil too, right? Isn't what God says in the Bible? ) "God is acting upon you every time your conscience tells you not do something that could get you into trouble. The difference is that when you understand this, all becomes clearer and life gets a meaning." Wrong. Wrong and ugly. The difference is that once a believer, you become arrogant enough to think that only your good acts have meaning, you life has meaning.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy I’ll tell you where I’m coming from. I was a non believer and I am also a scientist. I have always questioned, but someone told me not to close to the possibility and to look further. I did, I took me many years but I finally found more than what I expected; a new beginning. There are levels of spirituality and when you are inquisitive, it makes you separate the basics (which most people believe) from the deep theological truths. You’ll need to go deep to get there. God Bless.
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx I tell you too where I coming from too. I was a believer, though never a scientist. I too always questioned and after a while I came to terms that accepting a dogma is irrational. How can we close our minds like this? A dogma is imperative, it doesn't change, it can not be questioned. More, studying and facing people from other religions was an eye opener. They were exactly like me, only born, random in other faith, with other gods. You could be a hindu now with just as much faith.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy Answer #3 Faith: If I were a Hindu or a Muslim with as much Faith as I have, I would not have a problem under God's eyes. You are loosing the tree within the leaves. Your Faith doesn't matter and whoever tells you different do not have a clue about the deep theological truths. Religion is a tool to know God, not a goal. You can get to the same place without religion, although might take you more time and effort. God Bless.
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx "If I were a Hindu or a Muslim with as much Faith as I have, I would not have a problem under God's eyes.".. Question is.. if there was a God, why should matter at all how much faith someone have it? If a person works her whole life with character, do good, respect, why really matter if she believes or not? Wouldn't even be more worth of praise since the good is done without the expectation of heaven and the bad is avoided despite no fear of punishment?
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy Faith matters because to be one with God you have to be in his same wavelength. If you do not have a 100% conviction or Faith, you will not go to God. Do you believe in the Soul? There is no Hell, but you will not want to be without God when you die. I know what I'm telling you, please believe me. I visited the place thru a revelation. Quantum physics has brough us to get a better understanding of God now than 100 yrs ago. God is real but most people don't know the truth. God Bless
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx "Faith matters because to be one with God you have to be in his same wavelength. If you do not have a 100% conviction or Faith, you will not go to God. " You have to make up your mind here. In one post you say that it doesn't matter which faith ( can I believe in Thor and still be saved?). And that it doesn't really matter if I deny God or not because he is still with me ( but he will ditch me if I don't change my mind?). So, here it is. It's a matter of pride for God.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy Is not a matter of pride, is a matter of energy coming together because they are of the same nature. To be one with God you have to share God's conciousness. He wants our energy to go to Him, but we reject that. A Muslim can, a Christian or a Hindu, doesn't matter, all that matters is that you share his conciousness. You can have any Faith but you need to have true Faith (100% confidence) within that religion or Faith to be with God, otherwise is not physically possible. God Bless
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx "You can have any Faith but you need to have true Faith (100% confidence) within that religion or Faith to be with God, otherwise is not physically possible". What you say makes no sense. There were millions of people who lived and dies without ever hearing such thing as 'Faith','God' or know a religion. Man walked the earth for millions of years, what kind of God would give the 'gift' of knowing him only to a selected few that had the opportunity of a more modern life??
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy That is the reason why Jesus came to this world to save those who didn’t know God. Every man has in him the seed that makes them realize there is something that transcends their existence. Every man knows what is good and what is bad, that is part of God’s manifestation. You can be saved even if you do not know God, if you are righteous, but your problem is that you already do know Him; so is your choice not to be with Him. Don’t blame Him He’s giving you a chance through me. GB
dejesusluisx 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx You keep forgetting that I don't have faith. You words about what Jesus reasons ( again, the reason that your human mind made up) is nonsense to me. Jesus for all that I found, is a copycat from pagan rituals. The virgin birth, the shinning star, do you know how many 'gods' before Jesus had the exact same story? The gospels, that the church lie to be 'witness account' were not written but after 40 or more years of a supposed Jesus. Get real. This is your illusion, not mine anymore.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@dejesusluisx ... cont. So, really. By the end of the day. It doesn't matter how good or bad I am. It only matter if I believe. I can be righteous, generous, caring but the rapist murderer down the block with his belief still gets more chance than I do. That's the beauty of belief. The 'unforgivable' sin is the sin of no belief. I can not honestly respect a God with such vain feeling of pride.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy If you are a true believer, 100% confident, you will not commit any of the sins you say. Christians that do is because they lost their Faith or are not entirely convinced. They are among the 90% or so ''church goers" that say they have Faith but they are not true belivers. I call them "just in case belivers". They believe just in case there is a God but they are not one with God. They are as lost as you are. Please open your eyes. God Bless
dejesusluisx 1 year ago